Nightcap Hour 3: NBA GM Says Donovan Mitchell IS NOT Worth MAX Contract+ WORST NBA Contracts + Q & AYYY

Summary

Nightcap Hour 3: NBA GM Says Donovan Mitchell IS NOT Worth MAX Contract + WORST NBA Contracts + Q & AYY

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe ("Unc"), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (“Ocho”), Joe Johnson (“ISO Joe”)
Date: July 10, 2026
Podcast Theme:
A late-night, unfiltered conversation on headline sports topics, featuring legendary athletes sharing insights, reactions, and debate. This episode dives deep into the economics of NBA max contracts, the value of Donovan Mitchell, discussions about the worst current contracts in the NBA, and finishes with listener Q&A and passionate boxing talk.

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Episode Overview

Main Theme:
Exploring whether Donovan Mitchell is worth a max NBA contract, examining modern player salaries, comparing "generational" versus "transcendent" talent, and breaking down the impact and psychology of massive contracts on athletes. The crew also ranks current "worst NBA contracts," reflects on changes in athlete earning power, and finishes with live Q&A and a lively debate on boxing, fight matchups, and what makes a true star in combat sports.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Max Contract Debate: Is Donovan Mitchell Worthy?

• News Trigger: "An anonymous NBA GM says Donovan Mitchell contract is too much for that guy. That isn't generational talent." ([05:21])
• Discussion: Is the NBA “max contract” only for generational talents?
  • Unc: “When you hear generational, I’m thinking Magic Johnson, Kobe, Shaq, Jordan, Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, Jokic, LeBron. That’s what I hear. Now you got generational—and you got transcendent.” ([06:33])
  • Ocho: “Donovan is a phenomenal player. And to some degree, I can kind of see what that owner is saying. But, hey man, it’s his time, bro. It’s his time.” ([06:00])
  • Unc: “Just the going rate.”
  • Ocho: “This is the going rate, bro… The game has advanced. They making so much money nowadays. And when your time is up and it’s time for you to get paid, the timing is right.” ([08:11])
• Timing Matters: The massive contracts are about timing in the CBA and rising league revenues, not necessarily whether a player is "transcendent."

Notable Quotes:

• Unc: “Generation is what, 25 years. Transcendent — guys that when they’re done, you won’t be able to tell the story of the NBA without me.” ([07:04])
• Ocho: “You can get a $120 million contract right now. You ain’t got to have no credentials behind it.” ([07:54])

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2. Worst NBA Contracts Right Now

Bleacher Report’s List (Read by Unc): ([08:54])

• Joel Embiid: 3 years, $187M
• Trae Young: 4 years, $213M
• Paul George: 2 years, $110M
• De’Aaron Fox: 4 years, $222M
• Devin Booker: 4 years, $251M
• Donovan Mitchell: 5 years, $323M
• Patrick Williams: 3 years, $154M
• Christian Braun: 5 years, $125M

Reaction:

• Ocho: “Hey, them boy getting to that money on what they getting…”
• Unc: “Donovan Mitchell might not even be 30. He might get an opportunity to get another contract, Joe.” ([09:41])
• Ocho: “If you keep yourself in great shape and you one of the top guys… you can hit, you can circle the block at least two, three times.” ([09:54])

The Evolution of Deals

• The crew reminisces: earlier NBA deals locked players in for 5-7 years, now top players can hit multiple big deals before age 30.

Notable Quotes:

• Unc: “If you keep yourself in shape, Ocho, you can make money for a long period of time… as we used to say, ‘Hey, man, I'm gonna steal me a couple of years. Hell, they done stole from me.’” ([10:08])
• Ocho: “When I did get paid, that's how I was, Joe. Because look, I ain't thinking about this. I already got this. I'm thinking about the next one.” ([12:29])

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3. The "Hunger" After the Bag: Staying Motivated

• Discussing the athletes who get big money but continue to play hard, using Tom Brady as the prime example.
• Unc: “I love guys get that big money, but they play like they broke… Tom Brady… you swear that dude was still trying to make the damn team for the first time.” ([13:34])
• Ocho: “You've seen it, Joe. A player get paid that one time, and man, they fall off the fade. They shut it down.” ([13:12])

Notable Quotes:

• Unc: “That’s how you gotta do it. You got to go about it like you’re not… I ain’t got a dime.” ([14:09])

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4. Q&A Lightning Round & Fun Banter

Timestamps:

• Cowboys in the '90s mischief imagination ([19:44])

• Viewer birthday shout-outs ([21:01], [22:28], [51:03])

• Who was a better in-game dunker: MJ or LeBron?

  • Unc: “It just looks better when a smaller guy dunks… both of them got some posters though.” ([23:28])
  • Ocho: “That damn MJ, man. The way he get up…”
  • ISO: “When I think of best dunkers, I think of creativity…” ([23:42])

• Power vs. Creativity: Russell Westbrook's angry dunks get a nod ([23:57])

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5. Legendary Boxing Talk

Boxing Entertainment vs. Record Chasing

• Discussion on modern boxers vs. legends, the lack of epic “wars” in the ring ([26:17]-[27:20])
  • Nostalgia for the 1980s–Hagler, Hearns, Tyson, Sweet Pea Whitaker.
  • “Tyson spoiled us. Roy Jones spoiled us. Hagler, Hearns, they spoiled us.” ([27:15])
• The money shift: Fighters today chase bigger paychecks over belts and records ([32:05])
  • Ocho: “The money gonna be right, but they ain’t gonna be fighting for no damn belts.” ([32:54])
  • Unc: “If the two best men get in there, I’ll take that… Don’t seem like belts are important anymore, but… you can fight for a belt for $7-8 million, or you can fight without a belt for $15-20M… I think they’re gonna take the 15, 20 all day long.” ([35:28])

"Tank" Davis as Boxing's Face

• “Tank could be fighting a teddy bear—he gonna sell that arena.” ([36:20])
• “What do people like about Tank so much?”
  ISO: “That goddamn power you got and somebody going to sleep.” ([36:28])

Notable Moments:

• Debates on styles—technical vs. knockout artists
• Fans’ sense of disappointment at missed “superfights” in boxing, contrasted with UFC structure
• “You don’t play boxing”—on the sport’s toughness ([48:01])

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Notable Quotes & Fun Moments

• Unc: “Transcendent [players]—when they're done, you won’t be able to tell the story of the NBA without me.” ([07:04])
• Ocho: “You can hit, you can circle the block at least two, three times.” ([09:54])
• Unc: “I love guys that get that big money, but they play like they broke.” ([13:34])
• ISO: “When I think of best dunkers, I think of creativity and what they’re able to do while in the air.” ([23:42])
• Unc: “Tyson spoiled us. Roy Jones spoiled us.” ([27:15])
• Ocho: “The money gonna be right, but they ain’t gonna be fighting for no damn belts.” ([32:54])
• ISO: “Tank could be fighting a teddy bear—he gonna sell that arena.” ([36:20])

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Q&A Highlights

• Listener birthday shout-outs ([21:01], [22:28], [51:03])
• Who is the GOAT in-game dunker? ([23:24]-[24:45])
• Boxing matchups fans want to see—Shakur Stevenson, Tank Davis, Haney ([33:31], [34:11], [35:53])
• NFL QB development and team building mistakes ([52:31]-[54:16])
• LeBron's future: Would he move back to the East Coast with his family? ([54:31]-[55:14])

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Quickfire: Memorable Off-the-Cuff Moments

• The ongoing Ocho-ISO playful trash talk about “who would win in a fight” ([50:25])
• Reflections on career longevity and financial wisdom for athletes ([10:08]-[12:29])
• Bemoaning the NFL quarterback "carousel" and advocating patience with young passers ([52:41]-[54:16])
• Shoutouts to Savannah State, various fans, and Portia for her birthday ([22:28], [51:03])

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Boxing: What's Next?

• Shakur Stevenson joined the show, talked about wanting to fight “before the year is out,” with four possible names: Devin Haney, Tank Davis, Lamont Roach, Gary Russell ([55:21])
• Dream matchups and the crew’s intent to be there for Stevenson vs. Tank if it happens. ([46:34])
• Candid critique of modern boxing’s money-first mentality compared to UFC’s “best fight the best” environment ([45:13]-[45:59])

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Sports Culture: Finishing Strong

• End of the episode: Celebrating young NBA talents (AJ DeBonska vs. Darren Peterson), and the hope that the “next great rivalry” is beginning. ([57:36]-[58:32])

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Episode Takeaways

• NBA “max contract” talk isn’t just about talent—it’s about market, timing, and league economics.
• The “worst contract” debate is subjective, with context-driven nuance.
• Sustained hunger after financial success—Tom Brady cited as the standard for athlete mentality.
• Nostalgia for “fighters” in boxing, but hope for the sport’s return to prominence if the best fight the best.
• Lively Q&A and authentic banter keeps this pod a “nightcap” destination for sports fans.

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Useful for Listeners

If you missed the episode, you got:

• Candid athlete insights on NBA contracts and earning power
• Real talk on staying motivated after getting paid
• Arguments about which stars are truly generational or transcendent
• Fun, knowledgeable takes on both basketball and boxing eras
• Entertaining fan interactions and a few motivational gems for aspiring pros

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Hosts:

• Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”)
• Chad Ochocinco Johnson (“Ocho”)
• Joe Johnson (“ISO Joe”)

Special Guest:

• Shakur Stevenson (joined [end-of-episode highlights, [55:21]])

Don’t miss:

• Nightcap for unfiltered, late-night, legendary sports talk!

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For full conversations, especially lively moments, check:

• Max deal debate [05:21]–[08:11]
• Current worst NBA contracts [08:54]
• Hunger after getting paid [13:00]
• Boxing nostalgia [26:17]-[27:20], [32:54], [35:28]
• Lighthearted trash talk [50:25]

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[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Oh, when they had them ugly jersey. Yes, yes, I remember that.

[Host (Unk)]

And he ended up tearing it so it was too tight on his arms.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah, you don't like. Hey, and I. I ain't like them jerseys neither. Because in basketball it restricts you. It restricts this.

[Host (Unk)]

Yes.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

You know, from the shoulders and the biceps. Man, come on, man, I need some room. You know what I'm saying?

[Host (Unk)]

I get it. You want that thing smooth.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

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[Co-host (ISO)]

Oh, that's. Hey, hey, Joe. You know I got my shot just like Ant Man.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah, shot like Ant man.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah. The. The form. I'm a little bit more efficient than him from three, but we got this.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Facts, Facts. Hey, hey, hey. That's one of my favorite movies, by the way. Black man. Oh, man. Hey. J5.

[Host (Unk)]

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[Co-host (Ocho)]

Oh, man.

[Host (Unk)]

An anonymous NBA GM says Donovan Mitchell contract is too much for that guy. That isn't generational talent, per Tim McMahon. One GM said, In terms of the kind of money you got to be a generational talent, when you get $70 million range, there may be only a couple of players in the league that are worth that kind of money. Hey, hey, hey.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Is. Is. You know what, man? Go ahead, Joe. That's y'.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

All.

[Co-host (ISO)]

That's right.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

We talk about timing is everything. Ojo. It is. You know, the. Hey, hey. This is Donovan. His time is up. And damn it, this is what the. This is what a max contract is.

[Host (Unk)]

Just the going rate.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

This is the going rate, bro. Hey, and he a hell of a player. And to some degree, I can kind of, you know, see. See what that owner is saying. But, hey, man, it's his time, bro. It's his time.

[Tab Ramos]

It is.

[Host (Unk)]

I mean, it used to be. I mean, there was a time that, you know, but they've always been situation where guys. Because I remember when John Contact got that big contract, the Hawks gave him that big contract. Joe.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

Like what?

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

Shaq was like what? All the big was like. He got what?

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

And so everybody. Donovan is a phenomenal player. I wouldn't look. When you hear. When I hear generational, I'm thinking Magic Johnson. I'm thinking Kobe. I'm thinking Shaq. I'm thinking Jordan. I'm thinking Kevin Durant. I'm thinking Steph Curry, Jokic, LeBron, that's what. That's what I hear. Generational. Now you got generational, and then you got transcendent.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

Transcend the sport.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

You know, Generation is what, 25 years. Transcendent. Guys that when it. When they're done, you won't be able to tell the story of the NBA without me.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Without them.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

Oh, yeah.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

And. And it just.

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[Tab Ramos]

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[Co-host (Ocho)]

It's a testament to how far the game of basketball has come. Yeah. You know, think about it, man. When Shaq, what he signed for, when he left Orland to LA, like, 100 and something.

[Host (Unk)]

Yeah. Yep.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Then. And then you get KG up. That's why they call him the big ticket, because he had one of the biggest contracts ever. Probably like, what, 115 something mean, like that like 122. Yeah. 1. And now. Hell, man, that's Hell, you get double.

[Host (Unk)]

They doubling that, Joe.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Ocho, you can get 120 million dollar contract right now. You ain't got to have no credentials behind it.

[Host (Unk)]

Christian Brown got 5 for 125.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Come on, man. Come on.

[Host (Unk)]

Look at what did Mozgov get. Timothy Mozgov?

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

It's different, bro.

[Host (Unk)]

It is.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

The game has advanced. They making so much money nowadays. And when your time is up and it's time for you to get paid, the timing is right. Hey, man.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

Did you hear that?

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Damn.

[Host (Unk)]

I can't begrudge them. Hey, I told my mom. I tell my mom all the time, mom, you could have waited another 10 years. Hell, you was only 25 when you had me. My mama said, boy, I was done. They say, they say, mary, what you want, boy or girl? My mama said it could be a lizard. I ain't having no more damn kids.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Game been good to me, fellas. I ain't gonna lie. Yeah, I had a hell of a time.

[Host (Unk)]

Ocho, Joe, they say these are the worst NBA contracts per Bleacher Report. Joel Embiid is about to start a three year, $187 million contract. Trey Young, four years, 212. So basically 213 because it's 212.9. Paul George has two years left though, at 110.7. Darren Fox starts a four year, 221.7. Devin Booker has four years, 250.6 remaining. Donovan Mitchell, five years, 323 million. Patrick Williams, three years, 150, 54 million. And Christian Brown, five years, 125.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Damn.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Hey, them boy getting to that moneyon

[Co-host (Ocho)]

what they getting him, boy.

[Host (Unk)]

Hey, and how old is Donovan Mitchell? Donovan Mitchell might not even be 30. He might get an opportunity to get another contract, Joe.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah, he already had a couple big ones already.

[Host (Unk)]

Yeah, he'd get another big one.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. The one thing about it, man, look, real talk, if you keep yourself in great shape and you one of the top guys, boy, you can come. Hey, you can hit, you can circle the block at least two, three times. I'm talking about healthy. You know what I mean?

[Host (Unk)]

Yes. And see, Joe, you say that, don't they see that? If you keep yourself in shape, Ocho, you can make money for a long period of time. You can extend it. You might can get even a couple of years. And as we used to say, hey, man, I'm gonna steal me a couple of years. Hell, they don't stole for me. I'm gonna steal me two or three, I'm telling you.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Hey, that's how you gotta look at it. But you also gotta, man, you gotta have wise people in your corner. Unc and Ocho. And I say that because when I got drafted to Boston in 01, the assistant coach that I had, Lester Connor, he played in the NBA for like 12, 13 years. UNK might know him. I know Ocho probably don't. Yeah. But bro, if it wasn't for him, Unc and Ocho giving me the game, showing me the ropes, you know, showing me how to eat. Look, man, look, you. You gonna have an appetizer, which is your rookie deal. Then after your rookie deal that when you go for your main course, you know, you hit them across the head, bing, bing.

[Host (Unk)]

You hear me then?

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Because back then, uncle Ocho, you know, they were doing five and seven year deals. It wasn't really four. It was no four and five and three year deals. Right? So you'd be locked. You'd be locked into your deal for quite some time.

[Host (Unk)]

So you had to get it.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah. So after that main course, he was like, then you come back for a little dessert, you know, hit him across the head again.

[Host (Unk)]

But you got to take care of

[Co-host (Ocho)]

yourself the whole entire time. I'm locked in. Hey, mom ain't never got to work again.

[Host (Unk)]

We good?

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

Hey, Joe. Now you get these guys, they doing these three four year deals every three to four years. So guy coming out, he. He 18, 19. By the time he 26, he done done two deals. Now by the time he 30, he going to get ready to do a fourth deal.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

So it's like Joe said, they was tied up tying guys up six, seven years. Now they get. Got these guys, he don't. He got a. He got a. A three year, like Joel and B, three year, 188.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

Or you got four years. 112. I mean, 212. Or you got Donovan Mitchell five for three for 323. That's 60.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

That's filthy. What?

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Hey, hey. It wouldn't be none that would be able to deter me from reaching some of those goals that I would want to reach personally. I'll be working so damn hard. I'm telling you, man, listen, that's all I could think of. I think about the next contract, like, okay, cool. I ain't never got satisfied. And when I did get paid, that's

[Host (Unk)]

how I was Joe, man. That's how I was Joe. Because look I ain't thinking about this. I already got this. I'm thinking about the next one.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Hey, hey.

[Host (Unk)]

We already assigned on the dotted line. This one coming.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

Hello, hello. Now, let me see. Three years. Hey, three years. Hey, I'm 20. I'm 20. 24, 25. Okay, I get a three year deal.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Hey, you doing the numbers? You know black folks don't play, boy. Yeah, black folks gonna do them numbers, boy.

[Host (Unk)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-host (ISO)]

And most of the time it will. It's. It takes a certain type of player, Uncle Joe, to get that, get that main course and still have that same hunger.

[Tab Ramos]

Right?

[Co-host (ISO)]

Ignore the money.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

We.

[Co-host (ISO)]

I ain't worried about how much. I mean, much I'm making, but I still want to be that same player and continue to prove myself. A lot of people get that big bag. You've seen it. You've seen it, Joe. You've seen it. A player to get paid that good time, that. That good one time. And man, they fall out the fade. They shut it down.

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[Host (Unk)]

They feel like I love guys. They get that big money, but they play like they broke.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yes. Yes.

[Host (Unk)]

They play like they broke.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yes.

[Host (Unk)]

I was like, bro, I mean, if you don't admire anything else about Tom Brady, all he had done accomplished, all the money he had done made. You swear that dude was still trying to make the damn team. For the first time, Ocho. Because in his mind, he still was that sixth round draft pick that everybody overlooked. And every time he went out there, he tried to prove every team that passed over him, he tried to make them pay. He did. He did.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

And they're respecting passion.

[Host (Unk)]

And that's how you got it. That's how you got to do it. You gotta. You got to go about it like you're not. I ain't got a dime. I ain't got a dime.

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[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah.

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[Host (Unk)]

All right, it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. All right, so imagine old SH on the Cowboys in the 90s. Man, he'd be Eating groceries and doing cocaine.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Oh, man. Come on. Yeah, yeah, you. You've been right.

[Co-host (ISO)]

90s was wild.

[Host (Unk)]

Boy, they was out there.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah. No, no, I don't see. I don't see arcane. I don't see him partake. He know Mary Porter. She wasn't gonna be having all that.

[Host (Unk)]

Hell, no. Hey, Mike.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

My boy.

[Co-host (ISO)]

What?

[Host (Unk)]

But he'd have to tell me that. He had to tell me about that at practice.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah. Hey, hey. And he wouldn't have no problem in telling you neither. Oh. Oh. Last night, though,

[Host (Unk)]

to be like off season, we would see it like the Super Bowl. You see him and. Hey, we. Yo, we, you know, we go out a little wet bit. Yeah, I said. But to be with this man. September, October, November, December. Oh, let me take that back. July. Because when you come back to camp.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

So end of July. August, September, October, November, December, January. No way. I don't know how to do it. I don't know how they do. I don't know how they go out like that. But, hey, more power to him. Can I get a shout out for my hubby? It's his 42nd birthday today. Big Lou. Big Lou. Wife says happy birthday. You're celebrating a very special day. Happy birthday. Hopefully you guys did something really special, really fun, and she just wanted you to know you're her main man.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Happy birthday. Happy birthday.

[Host (Unk)]

Yo, Ocho, I have the rocket, the clamps, and the plug with the ky. Is there anything else I need between. Between us? If Ocho is 1, UNC is 2, ISO is 3.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Hey, I'm not. I'm not worried about my numerical order, but I'm just trying to improve the lives of everyone else outside of here that watch the show. But listen, get that swing set. You hear me? Get that swing second. The whole. The swing second hold up to the £350. So I'm not sure how big you are, but you're gonna be able to get that swing set. Don't forget the furry handcuffs so you don't mess up her wrist.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

He said. He said he got the bundle, didn't he? He got the bundle.

[Host (Unk)]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah. Hey, it's the. Hey, it's the deluxe package. Yeah, it's the deluxe package. If you could buy everything Sink, you know, buy it by itself, or you could buy the deluxe package.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Come on, man.

[Host (Unk)]

Oh, have mercy. Yeah. Hey, Ocho. ISO, can you give my daughter, Kimora Bullard, a birthday shout out? She's the big two O. And today, straight out Savannah State. Absolutely. Hey, what's up, Alum Kamora Buller. Happy 20th birthday.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Happy birthday.

[Host (Unk)]

Tigers. College by the seat. You can get anywhere from here. So congratulations. We appreciate everything that you've done. Make the university proud. We appreciate you sending your daughter to us. And Kimora, happy 20th cancer twin. Thank God you got ISO to keep the freak Ocho in check. Who do you think was the better Dunker? The GOAT, MJ or LeBron? I think it's LeBron in game. Yeah,

[Co-host (ISO)]

I think. No MJ. More creative, though.

[Host (Unk)]

It just. It just looks better when a smaller guy dunks. It just does he.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

And he can fly.

[Host (Unk)]

Yeah. I mean, but. But both of them got some posters.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Oh, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Co-host (Ocho)]

You can't. I can't refute that.

[Co-host (ISO)]

But hey, when I think of. When I think of best dunkers, I also, I don't think of just power in general. I think of creativity. I think of their creativity and what they're able to do while in the air. And I mean, hell, we talk about going for power. Hell, I like Russell Westbrook.

[Host (Unk)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (ISO)]

When he was young, because I'm like, well, damn, who pissed you off? Every dunk, it seemed like he angry. What you mad at the rim for?

[Co-host (Ocho)]

He wore that chip on his shoulder, boy. But when it come to dunk.

[Host (Unk)]

Go ahead, Joe.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

When it come to Duncan, though, hey, man, Brian and MJ got some. They got some classics, but, man, that damn mj, man. Yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

I mean, the way he get up, they got those. Those two handed. The one he dunked on Mutumbo. The one he dunked on Patrick Ewing. With that, Bronnie jumped on Nurkic in New Orleans. I mean, in. In Portland. Yeah, he got Duncan. I mean, you know what? You probably have to. You know what it is? It'd probably have to be like a versus. You take their 20 best.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

And put. And put them up against each other.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

You're absolutely right. Well, that'll be a good one. Boy,

[Host (Unk)]

Ocho acting pinky from Friday. Both are loud and scared because they failed again. Hey, dead

[Co-host (ISO)]

Clifton Powell on that one little episode, that one little part was that he was. That was class.

[Host (Unk)]

We had Michael Blackson. Michael Blackson brought that CD back in there. That thing had a whole chunk out of it, man. What happened to him? I don't know. Give me my money. Hell no. Up. Tell him to watch his mouth. He might get hit with as hard as God would let him go.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Put.

[Host (Unk)]

Go put GA on the map. Then Bad Bishaku had a great time. I'm gonna see if I know real talk I think I'm gonna call the guy tomorrow and get Joe and I ticket probably Jordan 2. Jordan got to go. I have tagged. You have to drag Jordan long. But, bro, it was. It was great. I mean, look, I, I understand what he's saying, but I didn't diminish him. I mean, you know, you could like. I mean, it's like some people like Kobe style, some people like Jordan, some people like Steph. And it, it all is subjective. Yeah, it's subjective. It's what you like. Me, I like, I like.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

I like.

[Host (Unk)]

Hey, I want to see somebody hit the floor. And I understand the objective is, like, look, is the. Is to hit, not get hit. But sometimes to make a fight entertaining, you got to dance.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

You can't say, man, this party was banging and you ain't even get on the dance floor.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah, but. But you know, the funny thing about it is when you talk about liking some of the fighters from the old days that took chances, they had more action they were willing to exchange.

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[Co-host (ISO)]

And you think about the fighters today that don't want to take those chances because there's a chance of them losing as opposed to, okay, my fans want me to take chance, but when I lost, when I lose, that loss is on me.

[Host (Unk)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Not on them, because they want me to entertain them. But then I lose the fight, and now that, that, that, that loss is on my record, not the fans. So, I mean, I, I, I kind of get it. I kind of get both sides, especially when it comes to you, who has watched some of the greats fight back in the 80s and 90s, and now today, we don't have fighters with that kind of power that is just laying people out. Tyson spoiled us.

[Host (Unk)]

Right.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Roy Jones spoiled us. Hagler hearns, they spoiled us.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Co-host (ISO)]

To where it's just. It's just not. It's just not like that anymore.

[Host (Unk)]

You remember the Hulk, Aaron Pryor? Were you. Did he come around? Yeah, yeah, that joke, hey, Real Deal, man.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Nah, I don't remember.

[Host (Unk)]

You got to watch him fight.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Hey, Aaron Pryor, boy, he can.

[Host (Unk)]

What that joke was.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Relentless.

[Host (Unk)]

Relentless. Oh, man, them guy, hey, back then, you know, Sweet Pea, Sweet Pea have office. Sweet Pea, you know, had the head movement. He didn't really like, like, like, Floyd could catch a punch and shoot, but hey, as far as movement. But Floyd. But, But Sweet Pea had offense, too, man. Oh, yeah, Sweet pee, man. You go back that 80, that 84 boxing team, Ocho Joe is the greatest boxing team ever assembled. It doesn't matter. The country it doesn't matter. The year. That 84 US team with Tyrell Biggs and Henry Tillman and Evander Holyfield, Sweet Pete Whitaker, Mark Breland, go. They were like, out of 13 gold medals, they won like 11 of them. Ocho, think about it. You got 13. They won like 11. Go back and look at that 84 team. That is the greatest boxing team ever assembled. Some people say 76 with a. With. Who was it? It was the Spinks brothers. It was Sugar Ray, because that was in Montreal. And there was a Davis. I think his last. His last name is Davis. But it couldn't. It couldn't match the depth of what. And I understand Leon's. You know, Leon Spink won the heavyweight title. He took it from Ali, and Michael Spinks was the heavyweight champion. We know Sugar Ray and Howard Davis. I think it's how. Chad, y' all can look that up for me. I think. I think it was Howard Davis on that 70, 16. The Spinks brothers, Howard Davis and Sugar ray. But that 84 team. Oh, my God. Nah, go look at. Hey, somebody say no, that's 70, 16. Go look at the eight. Go looking at the 84 team. Mark Breland, Henry Tillman, Tyrell Biggs, Evander Holyfield, Sweet P. Whitaker. Who else was in that team? On that team. That was crazy. They were crazy. That was. That was that. As a matter of fact, that was the last time the Olympics was in. Was in. In the US it was in. In 84. Oho. In LA. And here we are back 26, 42 years later, back. Oh, oh, you gotta chill, man. Every boxer don't want to leave the game terminally ill in the head. I get it. But, bro, look, my thing is, is all I'm saying, I never disparaged him and said he couldn't fight or he wasn't a good fighter. I. I live with that. When Ocho went up, you know, me and Ocho was talking about. I live with that. I said, but it's just not entertaining to me. But I'm not the only one. I get it. I get it. I'm wondering if you to have a microphone on Joe. And so somebody that has a microphone, their voice is a little louder.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Louder, yes. Especially coming from you.

[Host (Unk)]

Yeah. So I don't want him. I didn't. I. I hate that he faked that. I was, like, taking a shot at him, like. But it is what it is. But I get what you're saying, bro. I get what you're saying. Zepeda is a come forward fighter. He Pushed the pace. That's why it was good. No, I didn't see that fight. Somebody say Jake Paul over Shakur, man, Jake Paul Weigh over 200 pounds, man. Damn.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Hey, he, he, he get himself pieced up too.

[Host (Unk)]

Hey, man, man, this levels the boxing, man. Taylor Bell says his style puts me to sleep. I'm not say that, but you know, hey, but when you like, when you see like, I mean, from time to time they'll have championship fights, Ocho. They'll have them on X and you'll see them and you see like, damn, they throwing leather.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Hey, hey, who was that? The greatest first round ever.

[Host (Unk)]

Oh, that was Haglin Hearns, boy.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Hey, Joe, if you see just the first round over the haggling Hearns, you were like, ain't no way in hell they going to have any gas left for the rest of the fight, boy, they were going at it, boy.

[Host (Unk)]

I mean, they were just standing toe to toe. Throw a lever.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah, that's when they used to throw down back then, boy.

[Host (Unk)]

And you could hear, you could hear those punches. Yeah, that's when they had them light ass gloves. That's when they had them eight ounce gloves, Ocho.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Oh, yeah, letting them, letting it rip, boy.

[Host (Unk)]

After there's no more Y ends on the show. This dude doing too much over here. He gonna get dealt with in the ring, Uncle. Also, Ocho, stop eating booty. Look, we appreciate the guys coming on because we want, we want to highlight the sports because. And I think it took a dip because guys weren't willing to fight. Guys became too consumed with the undefeated record and they weren't fighting. And like he said, Shakur said, look, Turkey controls everything now. So the money right guys, and hopefully the money right guys will want to fight even though it's not. They said it's about the money now and they're not going to have to fight like these guys. Look at it, man. Look at the Rams record, Ocho. These guys had 100 and something fights. These guys fighting 70, 80, 90 times. You're not gonna find a guy to fight like that no more anymore.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Hey, the money gonna be right, but they ain't gonna be fighting for no damn belts.

[Host (Unk)]

Damn them. I would want to see him fight for the belt, Ocho. But if the two best men get in there, I'll take that fact. Right, I'll take that considering it's been so long that. I mean, because a lot of times when the heavyweights fall, they have no damn belts.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah,

[Host (Unk)]

because normally you had to fight somebody to move up the Peck in order to get in line to be able to fight somebody that had a belt.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah,

[Tab Ramos]

bro.

[Host (Unk)]

Go fight Tank. And then we can talk about. You talking about Shakur. He said, that's who we want to fight. He listed fighters, he listed Tank, he listed Haney, he listed Russell, and he listed. Listed Lamont Roach. He said those are the four fights that he would like to make. And one of those guys he would like to fight before the year's out. He fought earlier. He fought Teofimo. Ocho. I think it's January that he fought Teofimo. And so that's plenty enough time. Yeah, to recover. To be able to recover and to go fight because he didn't take no damage. He put it. He put it on to your female.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah, that was crazy.

[Host (Unk)]

But Ocho, you said you'd like to see him fight Lamont Roach. Joe, you say you like.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Simply because. Yeah,

[Co-host (Ocho)]

yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

I didn't want to see a fight if longer.

[Co-host (ISO)]

If, like, listen, as long as Haney. As long as Haney ain't on his bicycle, he gonna.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

You would.

[Co-host (ISO)]

I don't like. I don't like. Would he be on that bicycle, you know, Backing up, backing up, backing up, backing up, backing up, backing up, backing up, backing up, backing up. Throw a punch. Backing up, backing up, backing up. You know, I understand. I understand fighting smart and being strategic in. In the way you fight

[Host (Unk)]

somebody say, this is the most fighting I've ever seen. Shakur du. Taylor Bell said he avoids all big fights. Well, look, he has a. He's in the Zephyr, Zufa, and he says, you know, hey, fights can be made. Yeah, we will see. We've heard this before. Ocho and Joe. Yeah, we'll see if they're going to make the fights the people want to see. Don't seem like belts are important anymore, but I. I think the thing is. You tell me, look, you can fight for a belt for. For 7, 8 million, or you can fight for. Without a belt for 15, 20. I think they're gonna take the 15,

[Co-host (Ocho)]

20 all day long. What.

[Host (Unk)]

You need to be in Tank corner to promote that fight with Shakur. Look, that'll be a. That'll be a huge. I mean, all these guys, but Tank, Shakur, you think that'll be the biggest. Biggest. The biggest of the four?

[Co-host (ISO)]

What, man? You. You. I think people have to understand. Listen, even with. Even with Tank troubles.

[Host (Unk)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Tank is. It will still be considered the face of boxing, even with him getting in trouble. Some people might say Canelo Some people might say it's Buddy.

[Host (Unk)]

Well, Bu can still out arena with the phase and retired.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah, yeah. Tank is still out of stadium by itself, Joe.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Huh?

[Co-host (ISO)]

Tank could be fighting a teddy bear. He gonna sell that. Rena.

[Host (Unk)]

Let me ask you a question, Joe. Oo what do people like about Tank so much?

[Co-host (ISO)]

That goddamn power you got and somebody going to sleep. Nine times out of ten,

[Co-host (Ocho)]

you going to sleep. If you go out there wild. But if you like Roach and you stay technical, sound fundamentally sound. You can take his ass.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah. Hey, Styles win fights, Joe, because you

[Host (Unk)]

definitely got to watch that because he got dynamite in that left hand. And he catch you with that uppercutter, that hook.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah, yeah. Like, he called Garcia, man.

[Host (Unk)]

He who? Who did a pit bull. He called Pitbull in that corner with that uppercut. Ocho.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Oh, no, he caught Frank Martin.

[Host (Unk)]

He like, man, Frank Martin head like rock him soccer robot. Y' all remember that rock of soccer robot? That red, that blue one?

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

Once you got his head loose, man, that joker barely tells you the head like, damn.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Well, you got some power, boy.

[Host (Unk)]

ISO that homeboy that be quiet when he gets shaky, but he got that fire on it.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey. In the cut. Just checking and just checking it out. Just seeing what's going on. You know what somebody. Yeah, yeah,

[Host (Unk)]

Shakur, my favorite fighter, but he's been having animosity towards for almost a year now, and you could tell he still feels that way. Yeah, yeah. Because the thing was, all I said was, it style's not entertaining. He brought up my situation. What that got to do with my opinion of, you're not entertaining? To me, you might be entertaining the 15,000, 15 million people as if I'm one person.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Hey, you know what? When it comes, regardless of boxing, not even Shakur, when it comes to sports, we all have an opinion on everybody we watch. Everybody's not gonna like you. Some people are. Some people are. But everybody's going to have. Well, everybody's going to have an opinion. Hey, honestly, that was. That made the show tonight to me. Hey, listen, y', all, I don't know

[Host (Unk)]

if you're gonna be able to kill two hours with the topics we had, guys, and I. I didn't expect him to stay on that long, but I kind of.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah, that was, you know. Yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

And talking kind of. He. Where he kind of wanted to go. He want to get to that point about me saying that.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

You can hear it in his voice. Like, I could tell he ready to get. You know what I mean?

[Host (Unk)]

Yeah, yeah. And So I was like, okay. Oh, you know, that's why I threw it to Ocho. And you know.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

I was like, well, damn, you got it. I was like, well, damn, it's back to me. I said, oh, look, here we go. You know, let me ask you something. You already know. You already know what's coming.

[Co-host (ISO)]

That was good. When they say that's good for tv, that's good. That was great for what we do.

[Host (Unk)]

What's up, Nightcap?

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Fam.

[Host (Unk)]

Mma. UFC is way better than Simple Fact. The best fight. The best. I'm still waiting on Fury versus Joshua. In boxing. I think they supposed to fight. Don't they got a fight coming up. Joe Ocho, Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua. I think they got a fight coming up.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah. Not scheduled, but they, they.

[Host (Unk)]

I think they agreed. Agreed to fight?

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah. Hey, hey. But it would have been a lot better if this was about two, three years ago.

[Tab Ramos]

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[Host (Unk)]

They say they're supposed to fight late, late 26, potentially November. But it also hinges on both fighters winning their tune up matches in July. Yeah, so that's gonna be. That'd be a monster fight. But it is. But I think that, but I think Ocho and Joe, I do think that's why the ufc, because Dana White not gonna let you duck. You can't have no belt. You ain't ducking nobody. You're not. Yeah. And you hold that bell for if you can hold on to a belt for a period of three years because man, anything can turn the lights out of a fight.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yep.

[Host (Unk)]

Quick guys be winning the whole. And then boom. Get caught with something and it's over the whole short circuit. So. But I do think, I do think that has a lot to do with the rise of the UFC and the fall of boxing. Hopefully boxing is coming back because we did get. We got Bud and Canelo. It's the same thing we said about Pacquiao or Mayweather. We probably got that about five years too late. Yeah, we take it. But what, what could have been or maybe what should have been.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Right?

[Host (Unk)]

Ungain respect. He told Mayweather 2.0 he felt like he didn't walk it back. Shakur ain't like that Tank getting him out of here. Look, I think it's gonna be a great fight. I Want to see it? We gonna be there? Yeah, if they fight, we are going to be there.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Definitely going to that.

[Host (Unk)]

Cause I saw. I saw Bud, and. Well, Ocho, you and I went to the. The Bud Canelo fight.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Canelo. Canelo.

[Host (Unk)]

And then I went to the Bud Spence fight, right?

[Co-host (ISO)]

Oh, you was there for that?

[Host (Unk)]

Yeah,

[Co-host (ISO)]

I felt. I felt bad, that fight, man.

[Host (Unk)]

He did. Oh, I feel bad, man. It was worse in person, Ocho. I wasn't as close as we were for the Bud Canelo fight. Cause, Ocho, you know, we about eight rows, about six rows back.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Oh, yeah.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Ain't he finna fight? Ain't he finna fight, though?

[Host (Unk)]

Who?

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah, he fight. He taught. He fight. Tim. Zoo.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

When? When, Ojo,

[Co-host (ISO)]

Is it July? Hey, Chat. Yeah, yeah, it's coming up. It's coming up real soon, Joe. It might be July. Wait, I think July 25th or July 22nd, I could be wrong. Yeah, but it's coming up. It's coming up.

[Host (Unk)]

You play football, you play basketball, you play baseball. You don't play boxing? If you know, you know. No, you don't play any. You don't play any. What is that? Combat sport? I mean, boxing, mma, Muay Thai, whatever the case may be. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And the thing is, you don't. That's one on one, is it?

[Co-host (ISO)]

Ain't no way.

[Host (Unk)]

Hey, hey.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Ain't no time out. No, ain't no. Give me a break. Ain't no resting when the ball on the other side of the. None of that.

[Host (Unk)]

Okay? Check. Nobody in for you. Hey, Ochoa, man. Hey, get in there. Oh, hey, you like wrestling? You be tagging, Ocho. Hop over the top rope. Ain't none of that.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

You talk about mental toughness, bro.

[Host (Unk)]

You gotta have it. Oh, you gotta have it. That's what I mean. You gotta think about that, bro. I mean, think about it. I mean, that's a fight. I mean, we. We fighting in football, Ocho, but, you know, sometimes. Hey. Sometimes, Ocho, we just running off. I ain't blocking nobody. I'm just run. I'm just gonna release outside, get him out, chase me down the field. Now, sometimes. I got. Hey, I got Joe. I gotta lock up. Yeah, yeah. And this right here, you got to be laser focused for 36 minutes.

[Co-host (ISO)]

One mistake.

[Host (Unk)]

One mistake, and they're short.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Change everything.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Nah,

[Host (Unk)]

Courtney's respect his elders, not better. Look, he good, baby. He good. We good. What up, Big three Entertaining segment, y' all gonna have all three team with a fight. Shakur at the Same time. Nightcap outside now. Ocho. Ocho say you want that sparring work.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah, I'm. I'm going there. Yeah, we got. We gotta film that, too, huh? He gonna get the best of me, Joe. But I mean, you. It. It's one. Me. One thing for me to say it, but when you. When you see it, be like, okay,

[Host (Unk)]

now I see why you say he doing that. So you get scared. You don't want none of this. That's what he doing that for.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Okay, who ain't gonna want none? Manee high to a duck's ass. What are you gonna do with me, huh? That man can't do nothing with me.

[Co-host (ISO)]

What I got to do with it?

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Your little bit ass you go. That's what I'm trying to tell man. Listen.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Hey, you know who else is big? You know who else is big? Goliath. And what happened? What David did.

[Host (Unk)]

God don't touch you. God don't told you. What you gonna do?

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Well, I'm gonna touch his ass.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Hey, I got it all. Hey, I got it all.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

You got to worry about God touching. I'm gonna touch his ass. That's what. That's what he need to worry about. Yeah, that wouldn't need to worry about talking about God. Yeah, you need to talk about Joe. Hey, yeah.

[Host (Unk)]

Hey.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Hey, Joe. Hey, you.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

You.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah, you keep on talking, but you're gonna be. You're gonna be on here with two black eyes, okay?

[Co-host (Ocho)]

All right.

[Host (Unk)]

What's up, Nightcap, fam? Today was my wife's birthday. Portia Seals Catledge. Give her a shout out, please. Love you guys so much. Number one. We all know it. Come on, bro.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Portia.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

There we go.

[Host (Unk)]

Hubby said he wanted.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Happy birthday, Portia.

[Host (Unk)]

Happy birthday, Portia Shields. Catalytic. Today was her birthday, guys. She celebrated her birthday and her hubby wanted to give her a shout out. So you know what he said?

[Co-host (ISO)]

Look,

[Host (Unk)]

ain't nobody going nowhere. He say, you gonna be with her, she gonna be with you. Are we gonna be together? Those are the only three choices we got. Now, which one is gonna be. You be with her, she be with you. Y' all be together. Portia, you gotta keep her.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yes, sir.

[Host (Unk)]

Would you say the fact a starter hasn't been named yet, it's proof Shador is legitimate? Shot at winning the job? Forget the money. Todd coaching for his job. Yeah, I don't. I didn't think. I didn't. Me personally, Ocho, I didn't think they were gonna name one till they get to the. Till they get the Training camp. Now, they might all. We know how that is. They already got the guy. They won't start. Yeah, but they just play it. That's just me. That's what I think. But, but, but why?

[Co-host (ISO)]

Why?

[Co-host (Ocho)]

I've been hearing all these trade rumors with Shadow, though.

[Host (Unk)]

I don't believe it.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Ain't. Ain't nothing happening. He ain't going nowhere.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

All right.

[Host (Unk)]

That's just me. I don't believe it, Joe. I don't.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Well, I guess we want to be

[Host (Unk)]

back in the same situation. Let's just say for the sake of argument, you do trade. Let's just say it came true. In that case, you're going to be looking for another quarterback next year, because I don't think any of us believe that DeShawn's going to be there. So now are you saying you got the quarter, you got your quarterback. They got your guy, Joe from Arkansas.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Oh, yeah, Green.

[Host (Unk)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you said. That's your guy. I mean, at some point in time. At some point in time, we've got to stop the. The carousel and just. And. And pick a quarterback, guys, and. And ride. Ride it. At some point in time. Game now we can't. I mean, you can't keep playing musical chairs at the quarterback position. Ocho Joe, you gotta have stability there.

[Co-host (ISO)]

The hard part is finding somebody, finding that quarterback to be stable.

[Host (Unk)]

Yes. And you can't. Okay, you go a couple of games and he doesn't play well in the booing, and then you snatch him out some. You gotta ride sometimes. You gotta ride through turbulent waters. Everything ain't gonna be smooth sailing. I think sometimes we fall in love and they think everything's gonna be smooth. It wasn't smooth for Brady. It wasn't smooth for Manning when they were a run first team. The first couple of Super Bowls that Tom won, they were a run first team. They evolved to a throw team, right?

[Co-host (Ocho)]

It's. Hey, man. When the infrastructure ain't right, Ocho. No, I'll give it a. It's hard to put a quarterback out there that even if he is good, hell, you won't see it.

[Co-host (ISO)]

No, no.

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[Co-host (ISO)]

I lie to New York Jets.

[Host (Unk)]

Do you guys think LeBron wants to move his family back to the east coast when he has a lot going on on the west Coast? I'm not so sure that his family would move.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Right.

[Host (Unk)]

Zuri is in school. Savannah has what she go has going on. I think LeBron's mom, she has a place, you know, she still has a place in Akron and, And she got a play. I think she has a place out in la. I'm not sure, but I don't, I don't know if he would uproot his family.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah, I don't think so neither, man.

[Host (Unk)]

I mean, considering Zuri's in volleyball and she's in school, she has her activity, she has her stuff. I, I don't think he would. But hey, we'll see. We'll see.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

And, and wherever he goes, Uncle Ocho to stay probably won't be no more than two years, if that. You know what I mean? Right. So I don't see that neither.

[Host (Unk)]

Right. Yeah. Because if you think about it everywhere else, I mean, we knew he was going to be in, we knew he was going to be in Miami for four years. Yeah, he went back to Cleveland. We know he's gonna be there for four years and then go to la. And you know, he kept reeking. They, he kept, you know, 2 plus 1, 2 plus 1, 2 plus one. So, you know, then it was 1 plus 1. Want to thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. We want to thank our very, very special guest, A four division champ. Shakur Stevenson joins us. He dropped, he joined the Zufa Boxing League. That's the league Turkish Ali, Dana White and Khan. So going to thank you guys. Want to thank him for joining us. We really appreciate that. He mentioned that he wants to fight before this year is out. He gave us four names. Devin Haney, Tank Davis, Lamont Roach and Gary Russell. Those are the names that he wanted to fight. Hopefully one, one or these fights can come to fruition and we get some good. A good fight. That would be, that would be awesome. So y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite. My partner and co host. That's the Liberty City legend, That's the Bingo Ring of Fame honoree, a former pro bowler and all pro, the route runner extraordinaire himself. That is Chad Ochocinko Johnson and Little Rock, Arkansas native. The University of Arkansas alum, a seven time NBA All Star from the Atlanta Hawks. Mr. Clutch, the sharpshooting two guard from the Atlanta Hawks. That's the opposite ISO, Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed, wherever you get your podcast from. We'd like to thank each and every one of you for your support and your continued support. Because all of this is all because of you. We could not have done it without you. So we really really appreciate you following us. What you got, ojo?

[Co-host (ISO)]

Hey, it's 1238, right?

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yes.

[Co-host (ISO)]

I mean, I don't really listen to rap, but when his album comes out, I normally listen to it. Uncle Joe and chat. Future just dropped, did it? Yeah, yeah, it just came out.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

I'm looking at right now.

[Co-host (ISO)]

Yeah, all 22 songs just came out.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Hey. Oh, oh, oh. And you know AJ DeBonska and Darren Peterson played against each other tonight.

[Host (Unk)]

Yeah, I saw what you called. He went to the hole, the bother. Went to the hole and flushed it hard.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Yeah, he had. He had 27. The boss had 27. Peterson had, like 22, 23.

[Host (Unk)]

Oh, look, it's gonna be one of those where they go back and forth for years and years to come, Joe.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

It is.

[Host (Unk)]

It'd been great if they were in the best book in the Western Conference, so that. No, we gonna get them up four times a year at least.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Right, right, right. But I think it's. It's gonna be a hell of a battle between them, too, for years to come. You right, they. I mean, two great young talents, bro. Like, I don't think. I don't think they got it wrong. I know Peterson had them first couple games of summer league, and everybody was talking about how he should have been the number one pick. But here, you hadn't seen aj, you know what I mean? Like these.

[Host (Unk)]

But he saw him tonight.

[Co-host (Ocho)]

Them boys can go, man.

[Host (Unk)]

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[Co-host (Ocho)]

Peace.

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[Co-host (ISO)]

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[Tab Ramos]

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