Nightcap Hour 1: Wizards DRAFT AJ Dybansta + Cam Boozer RESPONDS to Not Being 1st OVERALL Pick + AJ Dybansta says He AND Trae Young WILL Work + Warriors Owner AND GM at ODDS Over DRAFT Pick + Lakers TURNING Into FOREIGN Team

Summary

Nightcap Hour 1: Wizards DRAFT AJ Dybansta + Cam Boozer RESPONDS to Not Being 1st OVERALL Pick

Podcast: Nightcap (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)
Date: June 24, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson
Guest: Joe Johnson

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap is all about the 2026 NBA Draft reactions—particularly the Washington Wizards selecting AJ Dybansta #1 overall, the new-look roster in DC with Trae Young and Anthony Davis, Cameron Boozer’s response to not being the top pick, and wider NBA and draft trends. The trio delivers their signature blend of sports analysis, personal stories, and locker-room banter with focus on the meaning of legacy, expectations, family, and what motivates young athletes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

AJ Dybansta Goes #1 Overall to the Washington Wizards

• AJ Dybansta’s Profile & BYU Choice

  • AJ, a 6'9" forward out of BYU, was widely expected to go #1 (06:55).
  • Discussion of his unconventional college path—turning down blue bloods like Duke and Kentucky for BYU, making him "a Mount Rushmore player" overnight at the school (11:00).
  • Joe Johnson notes the huge NIL bag—"It was reported he got $7-9 million just for that one year" (12:14).
  • Shannon praises AJ’s decision to stand out: “A lot of these kids want to make their own legacy at a program that don't have a whole lot of legacy” (11:14).
  • Both hosts emphasize his confidence and rare mentality for a teenager.

• Fit with Trae Young & Anthony Davis

  • Dybansta walks into a situation with established stars, not needing to be “the guy” right away (08:16, 15:28).
  • "He just needs to come in and be AJ Dybansta. We're not asking for 25-30 a night. Can you give us a solid 16-20 efficiently?" – Shannon Sharpe (15:28)
  • Joe: “I think they can make the biggest jump in the Eastern Conference if Trae and A.D. stay healthy” (08:30).

• Wizards’ Big Three Potential

  • The panel discusses how Dybansta, Trae, and AD (contingent on Davis’ future) could be special.
  • “With that big three... fans will come back. You can at least win some games and get the fans back.” – Shannon (17:26)
  • "If I'm in D.C., I got season tickets already!" – Joe (17:54)

• Dybansta’s Mature Attitude

  • AJ’s humility and respect for the process: “I have to earn my spot. I’m walking in with some vets on the team.” (60:16)
  • “Love what he’s saying… He and Trae can play off each other. Both can create, both can iso, both can create for others.” – Joe (60:30)
  • Joe sees AJ as a likely Rookie of the Year candidate thanks to this situation and his work ethic.

Notable Quote:
"If you give the devil a ride long enough, eventually he gonna drive."
— Shannon Sharpe, on maintaining discipline and humility as a pro (22:01)

Important Segment: Dybansta Discussion

• [07:00] – [18:00]: Deep dive on AJ Dybansta’s fit, his background, and Wizards’ outlook

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Cam Boozer’s Response to Not Going #1 Overall

• Boozer’s Comments

  • Cam Boozer said: “Not being in that conversation, I don't really understand it... People are gonna look back and say I should have been.” (33:56)
  • Joe Johnson and Shannon praise Boozer’s confidence, comparing him to past draft snubs like Kobe Bryant and Tom Brady, who used draft motivation as fuel (36:56).

• Legacy and Motivation

  • “It’s easy to look back and say what should have been. But you need that fire.” – Shannon (36:00)
  • Boozer’s NBA family background (his father Carlos Boozer) discussed as both a blessing and a potential pitfall.
  • Joe: “It could backfire too—when everything comes easy, you might not learn the grind.” (43:04)
  • Shannon: “But to say, 'I know what my dad did, but I want this for me'—that's special” (44:00).

Notable Segment:
[33:56] – [46:30]: Boozer’s draft experience, legacies, and lessons on motivation

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Broader Draft Analysis & Subplot Highlights

• Other Top Picks & Roster Moves

  • Quick rundown of draft order: AJ Dybansta (#1, Wizards), Darren Peterson (#2, Kentucky/Kansas), Cameron Boozer (#4, Duke), Caleb Wilson (Chicago Bulls) (06:53).
  • Sacramento’s selection of Darius Acuff is questioned for fit (34:11).
  • Talk of “big jumps” for teams with good supporting casts around their rookies.

• Warriors Owner-GM Disagreement

  • Golden State’s draft drama with owner Joe Lacob and GM Mike Dunleavy caught on camera appearing to disagree; Shannon/crew not optimistic about their title window with roster as currently constructed (65:23).
  • “You still gotta keep Steph Curry healthy 70 games a year… At best, they’re a play-in team.” — Shannon (66:25)

• Lakers Turning International

  • Lakers select Sergio De La Larrea, 6'6" guard from Spain: “They finna turn the Lakers into a foreign team” – Joe (74:00)
  • Joking about the Euro-heavy roster.

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On Mentorship, Money, and Adjusting to Pro Life

• Financial Wisdom for Rookies

  • The guys talk strategically about the rookie-scale contract and what to do with your “first big bag” (19:05).
  • “The rookie contract—think of it as your appetizer. Then you get to the 212, 300 [million], that’s your full course. Don’t spend your main, just live off the shoe contract!” – Joe & Shannon (19:19)

• Family & Agent Discussion

  • AJ Dybansta (and his dad) are managing without a traditional agent, believing they don’t need to pay anyone for a slot structure deal (22:24).
  • “From a child’s standpoint, you want your father to help you navigate this. I wish I’d had that.” – Joe (23:17)

Notable Quote:
"Don't fall in love with what it brings. Stay in love with the grind."
— Joe Johnson on handling newfound wealth (21:41)

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Broader Dialogue: NCAA, College Lessons, & Personal Stories

• What College Teaches Professional Athletes

  • Humorous and insightful takes about the lessons from college—“What did you major in? Eligibility” – Shannon (47:47)
  • Joe and Shannon on HBCU pride and differences in academic and community experiences (49:31 – 54:55).

• Marriage and Life Lessons Sidebars

  • Spirited debate on modern marriage, space in relationships, and societal expectations. “You got to do what works best for you” – Shannon (25:26)
  • Analogies comparing NBA longevity to marriage – “Getting to the league is easy. Staying is the hard part” (24:04)

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Other Noteworthy Segments

• Miami Heat Moves

  • The prospect of Miami having a shake-up with incoming stars like Giannis, and Ocho hinting at “one more trick up Pat Riley’s sleeve” (77:15).

• Thunder’s Big Man Rotation

  • Discussion on OKC Thunder drafting Mara, possibly moving on from Hartenstein to keep frontcourt versatile for facing San Antonio (69:32).

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Memorable Quotes

• "If you give the devil a ride long enough, eventually he gonna drive."
  — Shannon Sharpe (22:01)
• "Don't fall in love with what [money] brings. Stay in love with the grind."
  — Joe Johnson (21:41)
• "The rookie contract—that's your appetizer. Then you get to the $212, $300M, that's your main course."
  — Shannon Sharpe (19:19)
• "Getting married is easy. Staying married is the hard part... Same for the league."
  — Shannon Sharpe (24:04)
• “He just needs to come in and be AJ Dybansta.”
  — Shannon Sharpe (15:28)
• “They finna turn the Lakers into a foreign team!”
  — Joe Johnson (74:00)
• “If I'm in D.C., I got season tickets already!”
  — Joe Johnson (17:54)

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• AJ Dybansta Draft & Analysis: 07:00 – 18:00
• Financial/motivation advice to rookies: 19:05 – 24:00
• Cameron Boozer response & legacy talk: 33:56 – 46:30
• Warriors’ draft drama: 65:23 – 67:58
• Lakers’ international roster: 73:53 – 74:10
• Miami Heat roster speculation: 76:32 – 77:29

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Tone & Style

Engaging, unfiltered, supportive, with playful ribbing and deep locker-room wisdom. The hosts blend serious insight with humor and life advice, making for a relatable and rich podcast experience.

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Summary

This Nightcap episode is a must-listen for NBA fans: rich draft analysis, stories of how stars are made (not just born), discussions about legacy, and strong advice for athletes adjusting to money and fame. Shannon, Ocho, and Joe blend perspectives as former pros and fans, making the draft come alive with humor, history, and real talk.

Transcript

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[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he wouldn't have been the number one pick, I'll tell you that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You don't think so?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, All I'm saying is he reclassified. He was supposed to be in this draft, right? He reclassified. That's all I'm saying. I don't know what would or wouldn't happen that's better along Joe expertise. But when you look at AJ Debons, a 6 foot 9 guy, he's going to what seems to be a nice, a pretty decent team. He got Trey Young, that recently resigned. We don't know what's going to happen with AD Is being reported. His agent is looking for a contract extension. He may or may not receive, or he may get the extension and then be traded. We don't know, but let's check. Talk about debonza and going to the Washington Wizard. Joe, what do you like about this move, man?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, I love this move, Uncle Ocho, because he's a rookie coming in, playing with, you know, two, arguably, not arguably, but hall of Famers, and Anthony Davis and Trey Young, two guys who can make his.

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[Joe Johnson]

Who can really bring out his full game, you know what I mean? It won't be a whole lot of pressure on him to come in and average no. 25, you know what I mean? Even though the Wizards has. Haven't been in the postseason the past few years, I'm telling y', all, I think they can make the biggest jump in the Eastern Conference.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You keep.

[Joe Johnson]

If Trey and A.D. obviously, if they can stay healthy, I think they got a great chance. They got guys who can. Who can score the rock, who can shoot the rock, who can play make, who can defend. And I just think AJ Is a total package, bro. We've been talking about this for the past few now, hell, the past year, everybody knew that man was gonna go one. I don't give a damn who had the number one pick. That man was going one so great fit. I'm happy for him. I can't wait to see these young dudes in action. Okay, Ocho, you know the. The summer league, Uncle, I'm gonna be down there in Vegas for the summer league.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I gotta let your boy know it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Y' all ain't gonna leave me. I'm coming, too. Hey, don't leave me, but I'm coming.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You always talking about you gonna do something. You ain't coming. Because the summer league gonna be going to Ocho by the fever. The World Cup?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, the World Cup.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Wait, hold on, Joe. When the summer league. What's the date?

[Joe Johnson]

It's always. It starts in July, 8th, 9th, all the way to about, like the 20th or something like that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, okay, okay, okay. I'm.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm gonna swing through there. Remember that. That by the time it get to July, remember, it ain't gonna be that many games, man. So. So if anything, you know, I'm gonna come out there, chill with y', all, check out some of these. Some of the young bucks, see what they could do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Chad, y' all hear these old two country bombs here talking about July?

[Joe Johnson]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's July.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man, Here we go, Here we go, here we go, here we go, here we go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I already know. You know Joe. Joe. I'll be back. He deep off in Arkansas. No, but you know, y' all know Joe Country. I'm talking about like corn cob in the outhouse country. Yeah, I vote that joke, you know, Watched a little bit. Look, I tried to catch. Obviously, I tried to catch the BYU games when they're on television.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Watching him, because, you know, his projections. And I was at ESPN when he came on and declared where it was going. I'm like, byu. Then it don them. Hey, BYU got money, too. They got people that got money. And I am what he went to. He went to a prep school out there, so it kind of was a natural fit. He's very familiar with that area. Very familiar. And hey, he's like, you know what they have? I think Danny A. Went the highest. But Danny A. Was also an outstanding baseball player. Got drafted, if I'm not mistaken, by the Blue Jays. He's like, look, me going to Duke, me going to North Carolina. What makes me any different than anybody else that's going there and end up going number one overall?

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He wanted to be you. A lot of times you see guys now want to be unique. Ocho and Joe, they like. I want to make my own legacy. Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, all these teams, they're Lucy. They got legacies.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

BYU ain't really got a whole. They got Danny Ainge, they got Jimmer for that. They got. Who's another guy from byu. Danny ain't Jimmy for that. Sean Bradley, I think so. It ain't a whole lot of. As far as legacy wise.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

With that program, he said, I go there, I'm automatically a Mount Rushmore player,

[Chad Ochocinco]

you know, and not. Not too many players, especially when you're that young, had that kind of confidence where it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter where I go to school, the show is going to come to me wherever I go. That's what I'm gonna put bus in to see that Obviously, the bonds. I understand that he's that type of player where it really didn't matter what school I went to. They was. Regardless.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, listen, listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I wish you the witness of Battle State.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He still would have went number one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He still would have went number one. Ojo. You're absolutely right.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, all that cute. All that's cute and fine and dandy. But. But damn it, the bag that BYU was put paying, it wasn't many teams willing to pay that. You know, it's reported that he, what, he got 7 to 8. 7 or 8 to 9 million, you know, just for that one year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So. Hey, hey, hey. Y' all paying for me to come to prep school down here? I'm in Utah Prep. Hold on, hold on. Now y' all gonna pay for me to go to byu?

[Ryan Seacrest]

What?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I thought. Hey, look, I ain't gonna lie. I thought the Jazz was gonna try to jump through a few hoops tonight, be able to draft him. But, hey, man, if Washington made the right pick, I promise you, he like that, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And, guys, I think his contract is 69 million for the four years.

[Joe Johnson]

So, you know, nice little rookie bag.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, Nice little rookie bag. Nice, nice. And, you know, you know the story about his father. I think his father was from the Congo.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And because tonight, I. Hell, I. I just. Obviously, I know AJ or initials, but I really didn't know his name. And he just, like, he wanted. He wanted to commission to introduce his name in honor of his father because he's a junior. Yeah, I thought that. I thought that. I thought that was. That was very, very, very special to see these young men and to thank all the family, the. The village that behind them that helped push and guide them in the direction that they are and be able to reach this achievement. Because this is a. I mean, These kids are 18, 19, 20 years of age, and they've been dreaming of this moment their entire lives.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's right here in front of you. And obviously, you realize I did not get here by myself.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is an opportunity to thank my mom, to thank my sister or my grandma or my mom. Excuse me, my father. It's nice. You know what? It's really nice to see some fathers get some center stage. Cause, you know, his mom. Happy Mother's Day. Happy birthday, mom. Happy. You know, and the dad like, oh, what? That day you throw us a tie, we going about our business.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Watching the draft, I was obviously watching. Watching the World cup and watching the draft at the same time. There Are a lot of two parent household kids that got drafted this season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I saw that. You saw that

[Chad Ochocinco]

household, you know, kids.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, there's notion because they make it seem like we don't, we ain't never got no two parents in the house.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A bunch of two parents.

[Chad Ochocinco]

On another note too. Real quick, Real, real quick, Uncle Joe the Bonza. As great as he is, as great as he was in, in college and understanding how good he's going to be probably in Washington, depending on how he fits in, not coming out the east, can he really make a difference, you know, in that east and, and get the, and get the Withers to maybe say to play in or maybe maybe get him to a seed and having to deal with. Obviously you got the Knicks, you know, you got, you got the Heat, you know, who now have Giannis and, and probably going to have Clay. Wait, can I say that? Am I let.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man. Come on, man. Come on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

My bad, my bad, my bad.

[Joe Johnson]

Listen. Oh, I understand what you're saying. I, I think he is a guy. Look, there's been a handful of rookies who come into the league and right away take their teams to the postseason. I think he can be in that group. You know what I mean? I think he got that type of talent. Not only does he have that type of talent, but it's the guys around him. He has, he has proven guys around him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I think that's the difference, Joe and Ocho, is that he's not going to be asked to do what a lot of other rookies have been asked to do.

[Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

All NBA players. He has all star players already on that roster. We know Trey is a 20 and 10 guy. We know AD is a 20 and 10 guy. Can give you three blocks, can anchor your defense. He just needs to come in and be AJ Debonza. We're not asking you to give us 25 to 30 a night. We just want, hey, give us a solid 16 to. Can you give us a solid 16 to 20?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Efficient. Can you do, can you do, can you do that? If he could do. And also they got Sar. SAR is going to need to step up and be a little bit better because everybody keep talking about Bronnie, Bronnie, Bronnie. And he's going under the radar and he'd been and hadn't been doing a whole lot since he arrived there. He's going to need to be do a little bit more. Joe, as the second pick in the entire draft, he's gonna need to step up now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree. And I think this year will be that year for Sar. Uncle Oo. He's. He can kind of play the background now as versus. You know, when he first got there, they had him playing lead, lead, single. Hell, he wasn't ready for that. You know what I mean? But now he have a plethora of guys who he can learn from, who he can play off of. That will make his game a lot easier. Because I think what's underrated about AJ is that not only did he lead the Division 1, NCAA in scoring, but he did it at an efficient rate at like 52, 53%. And when you got a guy. So he ain't no guy, just coming down, hosting up shots like he has great.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's not jacking up shot. Yeah, you're right, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

He know how to get to his spots. He plays the right way. He's an underrated passer. He can defend with that long, that six, nine frame. Them seven, seven one wingspan. I just think he gonna fit right in. And I think the Wizards will make one of the biggest jumps in the Eastern Conference.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, see, they was trying to make Sar Lee Singer. He need to be on the symbols for the tambourine.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey. We're not gonna let you do the drum. We're not gonna let you do the horns.

[Joe Johnson]

We're not doing anything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You should be wearing the back. So if you mess up a key, hey, don't nobody know it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah. But he's got to improve. But I think with those three, they're that big three with Albanza, Trey and A.D. this is contingent on A.D. being there. We don't know what their game plan is, but I would like to think they're probably tired of. Of having a building that's half empty.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

At least with AD you're probably gonna. You'll have you know, you can win some games and get the fans to come back.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, oh. They ojo them people come to see AJ Debaska, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Listen, I. If I'm in D.C. i have season tickets. I'll be trying to get. I'll be trying to get my hand on them tickets, bro.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe. You think he polarizing like that to put Rusty like that?

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho, that boy nice, man. His frame. Listen, at his frame is so prototypical for Today's game. At 6, 9, who can do everything. Shoot the 3, get. Get to the midi dunk, get to get by.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You finish at the rim, above the rim.

[Joe Johnson]

Got Nice post work. Great footwork. Like, his feel for the game is unteachable. You know what I mean? Some guys just really have a knack or feel for the game that makes the game, and it comes easy to him. And I think he's one of these guys, bro. I think that the game is in great hands with AJ I think the Wizards, you know, took the right. Took the right pick. And I'm looking forward to seeing the Wizards play this year, bro. Cause you gotta understand now, Trey just signed for 212 million. You know, I mean, he got his bag. Trey. Congrats, bro. Trading. Got his bag. So now he gonna be coming out, trying to prove, you know, that he is who he say he is. You feel what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I'm trying to get another one. How? Trade? 27, 28. Hell, I get me another bag, I could be 32 and get another bag.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey. You always want to go for a little dessert now, you hear me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They still pay it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. You know, your rookie contract, that's. That's your appetizer.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Then, you know, you get to get to get that.

[Joe Johnson]

Get that bag. That's your full course meal. Now you go for a little dessert after that. You want to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That rookie contract, Joe, I'm gonna get everything that I really wanted. The nice sports car, the really expensive watch, get mom and Dad a house. Get me a Creole. Okay? That's that. Because once I start getting to that 212, that 200, that 300. I ain't touching that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That money will never be spent.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I would have gotten it. Think about it. You getting. You're making 69 million. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, they're gonna. I'm gonna take your agent, gonna get his 3 to 5%.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Uncle Sam going to take 50 of that. So now you at. So that's 30. So basically you at 30 million. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, we're having a conversation here. 27 million. After Uncle Sam take his cut, your agent take his cut, you invest. I got. I'm gonna take. You know what? I'm gonna take 7 million. Now, maybe you got a shoe deal with the. I don't know who he signed with is Adidas, Puma, Skechers, and one Nike. I don't know, but that might be a situation. You know what? I ain't gonna even touch my rookie money.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna do this shoe contract. Money. Hello. I'm do this card signing money as a car deal. I might get mom and Dad a car, but I'm gonna get this car. As I represent this dealership, I will drive that on show. And, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't need no car.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep. That's how it goes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I gotta. But I'm gonna take. I'm gonna make sure mom and dad taken care of.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, little bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna kick you a little something, too. Hey, I think he got two sisters. What y' all want? No, hey, don't do too flashy. Get y' all a nice. Get y' all a nice. What? What's a nice. What's a nice woman called Ojo. Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, the. Hey, hold on.

[Joe Johnson]

The new.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The new Kias, the new Kia's, and maybe a Mercedes C. C series.

[Joe Johnson]

Them. Yeah, the Mercedes. Hard, bro. I ain't gonna lie to you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like them. Look, I like them. Genesis. Y' all see them Genesis, Them New Genesis, they got.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, that's for grown folk, though, especially. Hey, the Genesis.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I like.

[Joe Johnson]

But.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, yeah, you know, hey, make sure they straight.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then, hey, shut that thing down.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. And. And never. And do not. I mean, do not lose sight of how you got here, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't.

[Joe Johnson]

Do not. Listen. Do not fall in love with the things that, you know. That it brings.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That it brings. Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

You gotta stay in love with the grind, bro, just because a lot of

[Shannon Sharpe]

times it'll bring things you don't need.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello. I was gonna do that. That's what it's gonna do that for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's gonna test you. It's gonna test your discipline.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sometimes you got to learn the hard way.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Give the devil a ride.

[Joe Johnson]

Enough.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Eventually, he'll drive.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello. Hello.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Eventually, he gonna drive. I don't care. I don't care who you are. If you give the devil a ride enough, eventually he will drive.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now, where the hell is my pen and paper?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So, aj, congratulations, bro. Like I said, I saw your father, you and your father when you came into espn. Congratulations on unbelievable story or unbelievable journey. But the journey now starts.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He thought the journey. He thought he was on the journey to get here. Now the journey starts.

[Joe Johnson]

You can't exhale. No, no, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Joe Johnson]

No, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How do I improve getting here now? How do I get better?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Getting here was the easy part, is staying here. They must get hard.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. That's it. That's it. That's it. Hey, hey. And what I Love about it, man. I love how his dad is. Is helping him navigate this whole entire situation. I seen something to where, you know, they. They don't have an agent. You know what I mean? They kind of dealing with it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, we already slided in. Oh, you get 10 more. You get 10 to 12 more than what the last class got. Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he said so why.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna give you 4% to do that.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello. That's what.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey.

[Joe Johnson]

And that's exactly what he said. So he say he's here to help his son. And I think from a child's standpoint, bro, that's what you want, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[Joe Johnson]

You want. You want your father to be there to help you navigate through this, through this new situation, this. This new era that you're entering. And I think it's. It's. I enjoy seeing it maybe, because when I was a kid, I wish I would have had something like that. You feel me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, so, so, So I, I, I. I see how genuine it is. And, man, he, like, he's in great hands. He just got to keep working, bro. You got to keep driving and want to be the best, and you can't exhale. Although you made it. Like, Unc say the hard part now starts because now to stick is. Is. Is just as hard as making it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You got that number one pick on. On your target. You got You. You got to live up to that. You got to. And continue to get better year in and year out. I mean, I'm excited to see him. I'm excited to see him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Getting married is easy. Staying married is the hard part.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey. Hey. Statistically, for some reason, the numbers keep going up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Getting married and the number keep going up and getting divorced.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I don't understand. I. I don't care what the numbers say. I'm getting married.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We all gonna do that, Ocho. Hey, but I think the marriage might look a little different, right? Because, you know, because I'm. I'm a space type of guy.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It might be a situation where you and I, we in the same house, but we don't sleep in the same bed every night.

[Joe Johnson]

Right. I don't think nothing wrong with that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Wait a minute, Joe. Wait a minute.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, my grandfather. I ain't never seen my grandfather and grandmother sleep in the same bed.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, that's back in the days. Now, this 2026, I'm not sure the women today ain't gonna let that fly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now, hold on. Who's that? Is that Cheryl Lee Ralph, her and her husband just moved together. They lived in separate cities for 20 plus years. Well, you pull that up.

[Joe Johnson]

Let me get back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sher Lee, Ralph.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, Joe, Ain't that working? Your. That work in your household?

[Joe Johnson]

Listen, listen, Ocho. Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder. Okay?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Wait a minute. That ain't gonna work, Joe. That is not gonna work.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes you. You hear what. You hear what uncle talking about? Sometimes, man, is it's better for us to get away from each other a little bit. So when we do come back and we, you know, we excited again.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

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[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See here, the problem is, it's because society has said we sleep here. We. Hey, we do this and we do that, and everybody get. You got to do what works best for you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right? Right, Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you know that for you and your situation, it might be best that you go get mad at the courthouse, right? But you got everybody talking about this destination win.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everybody talking about X, Y, and Z. Man, I need to have. She need to have 10 bridesmaid. I need to have six groomsmen.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I need to have my brother, my mama, sister, my kids standing beside me. I need that. You gonna have her people standing up? Four or five people standing. That's good.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why am I gonna have a whole bunch of people? That's. Man, I don't know why they got mad for. It ain't gonna last long. Talking ish. At my place.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't spend a hundred thousand had a homeboy had a wedding. Everybody got croc shoes made, custom tucks.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Married. Lasted longer to skip in the military, you know, skipping. Didn't go to the military.

[Chad Ochocinco]

How long they were married, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not long as a snowball in the mic.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, listen, I like that idea, you know, the whole having space. But you. You got to have a woman that really understand that, because they'll take that the wrong way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We understand this, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ah. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She might have her own creek. She might have her own place, too.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Put a little seed away.

[Joe Johnson]

Probably one of them look clingy dudes

[Shannon Sharpe]

he like to be. He is all up in Cambodia.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, no, no, no. I. Oh, excuse me, Uncle Joe. I'm the complete.

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I'm.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm the complete opposite. I'm not really clingy. You know, I give you your freedom. I'll give you your space, you know, to let you do your thing. I'd like to think you. You'd be able to do you know, the same for me outside of that, I just don't think the. As far as going as if we're married and actually having our own spaces in general, I don't know if that will fly, because most women today, they want everything that's traditional, you know, every. Everything that. That. The format and the way they say it's supposed to be, obviously, what works for you, and ain't too many too fond of that.

[Joe Johnson]

Now, hey, hold on, hold on. Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What?

[Joe Johnson]

They say conversation rules the nation. Hey, man, you got to break. You got to break it down for Ocho, okay? I let her know what it is, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm gonna break it down.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, let us know what' going on. Look. Yeah, hold on, hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hold on, now. When you break it down, right, and say, listen, we can be together, but at times, how do I explain? You know what? At times. You know what? I want my space.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You and I going through this is going to be a lifetime. Yes, sir. But there are going to be times that I'm going to need two or three days to myself.

[Joe Johnson]

None personal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What. What is. What. What does that look like for you? Right? Damn. See, that's the problem. Everybody's been living a life for someone else. See, the thing is, is that people get in a marriage and judge their marriage by somebody else. Marriage.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello. Hello.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Remember, I've told you, be careful judging your success with someone else's ruler.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your marriage might not look like mine. Mine might not look like his. His might not look like theirs. That's why I'm saying, you know, I laugh and joke. We like, oh, Ah. But somebody would look. People swinging there and people like, hey, I want to see my. I want to see my husband have sex with somebody else. I want to see my wife that works for them.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know how in the hell he's his own.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I be. But see, here's the thing. You don't know that Joe got that hammer. What have I done Got myself in. But see, if that works for you. And there are people that have situations like that, you know. You know what? I'm gonna put that in the book. I'm gonna put that in my book. I got a book coming out, y'. All. I can tell some stories.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Writing a book.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I got a book coming out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I like. I'm gonna be in it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait till the story that y' all see come out in this book.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, okay, okay, okay. Put me in that thing. What?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey. I imagine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I think that's the thing is that a marriage is different for there are certain cultures that you do in marriage. Okay. That's for that culture.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That works for them. I can't be looking at, man. Man, you know, such and such, you know, high school coach, the rival school. He was telling one of the. His runners would tell him, say, coach, you know, he's the guy. He said his coach let him drink a beer before he run. He said, but damn, hell, son, you want me to buy you a beer? That worked for him. That ain't for to go over here, right? What works for your relationship if going on vacay if some, you know, hey, we need to go out once a week. Somebody gonna be cool with going out once every other week. Somebody gonna be cold like going once a month. Somebody gonna say, hey, we can take a vacation once a year. Somebody gonna say, we need to take a vacation every. Every quarter.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What, what's. What can you guys agree on? Hey, and then make that work for y'. All. And don't worry about society. Society. See, society got us all messed up to begin with.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, that's the problem.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, trying to do everything by the book, Joe. Step by step, boy. Boring as hell.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So it's gonna be. It's gonna be interesting to see and

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[Shannon Sharpe]

I hate to say it, but I

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It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If we got clear facts, maybe we can calm down a little.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Was asked before the draft about not being the first overall pick conversation. For me, not being in that conversation, I don't really understand it. And I think many years down the line people are going to look back and say that I should have been. What do you think?

[Joe Johnson]

I think, I think this, this could potentially, we always talking potential here. This could potentially be, you know, one of them drafts fellas, to where you, you, you, you, maybe you do get a, a few hall of Famers out of here. But I think potentially bro, this has a chance to be a great draft because I think me personally, although I think I thought AJ should have went one probably outside of a cuff being one of my, I don't really like that a cuff went to Sacramento. I'm gonna be honest with you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you had talked about that, that you didn't Want him to go to Sacramento? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Store for another day, though, you know? But. But, but. But Caleb, with his frame being able to play on the perimeter, a great defensive player, has a great feel for the game. And he keep receipts, bro. He keep receipts. He stayed it throughout college when he played against all these dudes. He beat them all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He beat.

[Joe Johnson]

He beat hell, I think aj, Darren Peterson, and. And Cameron Boozer.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, him and Cam was on the same AAU team, if I. If I was reading correctly.

[Joe Johnson]

I know, but Cam went to Duke and he went to North Carolina, so, you know, that little rival. I think when they played against each other, I think Caleb got the best of them, but I just think potentially, bro, he. I think the first seven to eight picks didn't surprise me. I. I mean, I guess when you're a bad team or a bad franchise, Uncle Ocho Hill, to get better, you gotta start something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta take. You got to. And I do, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I'm saying that with Acuff because he. The boy got so, so much potential, bro. And I just want to see him in a great. I just want to see him in a great position. Hopefully the Kings can do. You know, they can make a change. But y' all know the west is the west, bro. Like, yeah, if you're a bottom. If you're a bottom feeder in the west and you playing San Antonio okc, hell, just pack your bags, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And it's. You know what? And I hate this. It's easy to look back and say what you should have done, right? Because everybody look back at 96. Well, Kobe should have been the number one overall pick. Well, you say that 20 years after the fact. But coming out of college, you watched AI in college.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You watch him work out, and you saw Kobe in high school, and you. And you thought Kobe, at that point in time, was gonna be a better ball player than AI, y'. All. Really, if somebody gonna really say that. Come on, now. It's easy to say that now. Yeah, it's easy to say that now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. You know. You know what the end result is going to be.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, thank you. Yeah. And I think in. In that. In that instance or in that sense, Uncle Ocho, Kobe had a lot that he had to play for because this was in Philly, a place where he grew up at. He playing these guys in the finals. They booing him. Come on, man. Can y' all imagine going home and they booing you, bro? You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They booed him in the All Star game.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they Booed him in the All Star Game. And I think that rival between him and AI, he really, really took that personal, bro. Yeah, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And so Kobe went to the right situation. He got a chance to develop. They just didn't feed him to the wolves. He had an opportunity to play a live side. The most dominant guy in the game at that time, maybe the most dominant guy ever. He played alongside that guy, and he got an opportunity to coach, to put him in a system that was conducive to his skill set. Did he work? Absolutely. Did he get better and better and better because he wanted to prove people. He wanted to prove himself right more than he wanted to prove people wrong. Right. And you look at what happened. But if he goes, does he. Does he work as hard as. Because he's like, man, I should have been higher. I should have been. I should have went over a Ray and I should have went in front of all around of this one. I should have went in front of that one. Who knows? I mean, Tom Brady. Tom Brady was pissed because he like, hold on. How many damn quarterbacks y' all gonna take? NFL, right? So you mean to tell me I'm the 18th or the 20th best quarterback SPURGEON win go before me? All these guys? All these guys?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all believe all the. All these guys are better than me? I did play at Michigan. I did just beat Alabama. I think they beat him in the Orange Bowl. And sometimes that's what you need to light a fire up under you.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah,

[Shannon Sharpe]

that's what you need. That's what I needed. I was. I, I, bro. Because first of all, Ocho, you know, where we come from, everybody. Oh, yeah, I know Ocho, but everybody wasn't. Man, Ocho ain't gonna. Yeah, he was good in high school, man. Y' all think, oh, you're gonna be like that in college. Y' all think Ocho gonna turn up like that, man? Y' all think, oh, so y' all think Joe just gonna go and do what he did in Arkansas, what he did in high school? Okay. And if he go to the league, man, you ain't gonna make no all star team, man. Oh, yeah, be like that, man. You, you, everybody, even though they grew up with you, they watched you, everybody happy for you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, I know they weren't happy about me, John. Uncle Joe, because I. I did mine, and I did it loud. Yeah, hey. Loud and flamboyant.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But they were right there, Joe. They saw you.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's not like all of a sudden, like, man, I don't know how he did. You saw. Yeah, you saw everything that I was doing. You saw what I was going through. You saw my situation. My situation wasn't much different than yours. It could have been a little worse. It might have been a little better, but it wasn't. It wasn't vastly different than yours.

[Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I chose athletics to go to school, get my work. Ocho, you and I didn't get our work too much. Well, hell, B, that's why I think, why we work so me, you know, Joe got out there, but I think that. But you chose to drink, you chose to smoke weed. You chose to do all that other stuff that wasn't conducive for you being a great athlete or moving on. So you can't get mad at my success because you didn't have it. Because, see, you mad about stuff about a reward you didn't get for the work you didn't put in.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why you mad at me?

[Joe Johnson]

All right,

[Shannon Sharpe]

man. You go, man. You go home. Yeah, man, I'm finished, man. Okay. I didn't. I didn't judge you. When you wanted to go smoke weed, when you want to go drink, when you go to chase tail, when you didn't want to come to school, I didn't judge you. Hey, now all of a sudden, I want to go home, be with my grandma. I don't want to go. I don't want to go hang with y' all tonight. Now. Now I'm bad.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, now. Oh, you think you better than us, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, what. What did that come from? Whoever said. Whoever said I thought I was better, Y', all, if y' all knew how I was living, y' all know I wouldn't think that I was better. No. Do I think I can do what I do better than what you can do, what you do? Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can't do a whole lot, but what I can do, I can do extremely well.

[Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Say, boy, you don't need to do a lot, but do what you do better than anybody else can do it. If you do that, you'll have a job. But I. I never understood people that don't really know you. I get it. It's easy for you to be envious or resentful because you didn't see what they went through to get to where they got.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But somebody that grew up around you, Joe, y' all grew up. We grew up in the sandbox together.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We was jumping, coming out the back of the swing. We on this playground, and we jumping out the Back of the swing. We did that. We on the seesaw.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what I'm saying? We going seesaw. And did I jump off real quick and you hit your ass on the bottom. We did that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. You seen me kiss my first girlfriend, boy. At the Bullet Club. You know what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, well, see, we mad at you, Joe, because I was hit girl, too. You kissed her. You see what I'm saying? He tried to speak that one in.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey,

[Shannon Sharpe]

but I think, look, Cameron Boozer probably had the greatest start. Why? He had a dad that was an NBA player.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got in our front row seat to watch an NBA all Star every single day. He could give him information that look, not just as a father, but as an NBA player.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is what it's like.

[Joe Johnson]

This is the grind.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is what you need to get good at. This is what you need to work on. This is how you can carry. This is how you present yourself. This is how you a. This is how you be a leader. Obviously, he has to put his own spin on it, but he had a head start. You know, sometimes people start on third base and thought they had a. Hang on, bro. You already on third stop.

[Joe Johnson]

It could backfire too, though. Okay, Ocho, you know, to where they can have all this accessible to them, to where you go into countless NBA games night after night and it becomes the norm for you, you know what I mean? And you don't understand the hard work that goes into this, bro. You know what I mean? It can happen like that too, you know? So I commend these guys who are NBA guys and their sons make it. And because that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I love it.

[Joe Johnson]

It is tough, bro. It's a grind. It's a real. You really have to love it.

[Sleep Apnea PSA Narrator]

He had.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But think about it. His dad, he coming home. They got an eight car garage. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The cars mainly got passports. They're foreign. They speak a language. They speak a language.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's a good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And for him to say, you know what, dad, that's nice, and I appreciate the life that you've afforded me and my brother, but I got to get this on my own.

[Joe Johnson]

I want.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want this for me.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want this for me.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you understand what it takes for your dad to be that? And says, you know what? That's really nice, and I appreciate what you've done for this family, but I want that for my family.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

One day I want to have what you and mom got. I want to have a wife. I Want to have kids, and I want my kids to look up to me like I look up to you. But I also want them to say, you know what? My grandpa played in the league. My dad played in the league. Let me go see if I can get that.

[Joe Johnson]

You got that dog in you, boy?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see a lot of this maybe in, like, football, you know, you have generations. The Matthews, or you hit this in. In baseball with the boons. The dad played and the sons played. I think the granddad. The granddad might have played Cal Ripken Jr. But it's. It's special, man. It's special when you have that kind of lifestyle and people say, what's easy? Yeah. It's easy to sit on your ass, too. Yeah. Think about what you try to do.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You only want to go out there and work that man. Say, you know what? Let me get this on my own. I appreciate it. You're gonna give me the opportunity. You're gonna put me in a situation where you're gonna get me a trainer, you're gonna get me a coach, and I ain't gonna do nothing but show up Joe and try to work hard and get better. Hello. All I gotta do.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello. I'm telling you. Hey, hey, hey. You just gotta. Hey, as a rookie, bro, you want to come in, you want to be a sponge, soak up all the information you can suck up from these vets, meaning ask questions. You know what I mean? Yes. I'm talking about put the work in, bro. That's how you gain your respect. You know what I mean? And then once you take practice serious, you know, and then you can go out in the games and dominate, but I'm talking about you. That's how you gain respect, bro. You got to come in and put

[Shannon Sharpe]

the work in, you know?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know what's funny, too, when we think about it, we talk about some of the early picks. You talk about some of those joa that. That have that. That factor that you can't coach. They just got it. It's already in them.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Especially you think about boozer. Them boys want to be successful, though. You got to think about how the type of work they had to put in to get to where they are now, to get to be picked as early as they've gotten picked. That's just had this. That's just half the story. The new journey starts now. So I. I know they wouldn't fall by the wayside of being comfortable. Okay. Now that I've made it, you know, I'm gonna sit back and chill. No, I got. I gotta keep going. I gotta keep pushing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, think about the NBA ain't got but 450 players.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho. Every year they break, they bring 30 in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what does that mean if they only got 450? What does that mean if they bring 30 in? 30 gotta do what?

[Joe Johnson]

Go out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They gotta go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Look, look. Hey, look at this draft, okay? Hey, even when you look at the draft, the first eight picks was all freshmen. They were all freshmen. You know what I mean? Like this. Hey, man, some talent in this draft, bro. I was thoroughly impressed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, they look at it now, Joe. If you're not a freshman or sophomore, you don't come out. They question, how good are you? If you're that good, why you still in college as a junior? Why you still in college as a senior? You ain't got no if you what you. If. If you what you say you are, why you still in college?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, yeah, y'. All, hey, look, look, look. We on this racetrack. College ain't nothing but the pit stop. I'm just for a short period of time. I'm out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I ain't gonna be here long.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Uncle Joe. People be having a nerd ass, boy, but what class you took at Oregon State? How many classes you been to? You was at Oregon State? I went to my marketing class, all right? Hey, I went to my.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you major in? Eligibility. That's the only way I can stick around for four years, Joe. I gotta make sure I'm eligible.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, I told y', all, I'm with you, boy. I tell you, man, they loaded me over like 24 hours. I said, man, I mean, y' all got me in class all damn day. Well, once I found out I could drop them classes and I ain't need but 12. 12 hours to be eligible. Yeah, I took it down to 14. That way, if I have a little slippage, you know I still get by, right? Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I went to one class, Joe. My finance class. Brian, I ain't missed that for nothing. No, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, once I gave. How many math classes I need to take for this, mate?

[Joe Johnson]

For this, for this?

[Shannon Sharpe]

For this degree? Oh, you just need to take two. Okay, what's the easiest two math classes I can take? That's all I got for you. Yeah, I'm not going to do no algebra. I'm not gonna do no trigonometry. I'm not gonna do no upper level, upper level mathematics. That's not what I'm gonna do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And speaking of this, I want y' all to be honest with me real quick. Think about everything. Think about the curriculum and everything that we learn, whether it's high school, whether it's college. How much of this stuff we learned in school have y' all yet to use in today's life?

[Joe Johnson]

I ain't gonna lie, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Everything you learned, what have we had to use in today's life?

[Joe Johnson]

Well, the things I learned, Uncle Ocho was on the court, you know, just. I'm just keeping up. You want me to keep it 100? I'm trying to keep it 100 with you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. Coach Nolan Richardson, he humbled me at an early age. He taught me discipline. Yeah. He taught me. Taught me how to compete. He taught me how to work hard. I ain't gonna lie to you. That's what I learned. I learned and I. And I use it to the T. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I use a lot of the stuff, Ocho, in the lessons.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Being. Going to an HBCU, knowing the history of HBCUs. So when I talk about certain situations.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can fall back.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, where'd you learn that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I went to an hbcu.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

About the. The. The. The military being sacred. Think about it. We fighting a war, Ojo. I'm fighting for this country. They fighting for this country, but we fighting. Say it's segregated. The blacks are fighting together, the whites are fighting together, but we fighting for the same country.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The military didn't become segregated to integrate until 1948. Truman did that prior to that. No. Y' all do realize that when they captured POWs, prisoners of war, they fed them before they fed the black soldiers. Let that. I' ma tell you again, Ocho. They fed the people that they were fighting against before they fed the people they were fighting with. That look like you and I. A lot of the time, a lot of the entertainers, they still have entertainers that go around. A lot of the entertainers say, nah, we not going unless y' all let the black sit up like they go to the back,

[Ryan Seacrest]

huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So it was things like that when I was on Undisputed, that I could speak about that. People like how he knew that, because they don't teach you that at a pwi. They teach you his story. H I s S T O r Y not history.

[Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

H I s T O r Y Similar. Yeah, very different. That's what I learned. I remember Haynes, Walton, Norman, Elmore say, when, Shannon, when you leave here, we want you to be the best representation, the best representation of ssu. I never missed Haynes Walton. Class. Brilliant. Brilliant. Come to class. All he have in his pocket was a piece of chalk. He writing on the board. I know all of this. He tell us. He tell us the books, you know, and the bookstore that we gotta buy that we need to read because this is the curriculum he gonna be teaching from. He's just writing on the board. I said, well, how do we know all of this? God damn, I know the man. Brilliant. He's a doctor, PhD. Book written by Haynes Wall. Goddamn Norman Elmore. You talking about. Man could write. A man could tell a story.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He told a story of McDougal. I don't know if y' all noticed. Oh, my goodness. And the way he could. I never forget one day it was cold. And, you know, back then, Savannah State is obviously much better now, but we had them old, old, old heaters. And it was cold one day and it was about four. And normally you get. You give the. The professor, you give anybody 10 minutes, they ain't show up in 10 minutes out of there. Yeah, so it was about nine and a half, everybody looking at their watch. And as Air Titan, everybody getting up to leave, he would always come in. Anybody that went to Savannah State,

[Joe Johnson]

he

[Shannon Sharpe]

probably got there, he probably started teaching, say, 80ish, maybe a little earlier. He ended up passing, but he would always come. I'm talking about books. I'm talking. He have a book. Carrying books like this here. So we going. So everybody walking up, I'm sitting down. I ain't got nothing else to do. I sit down, man. He come around that corner, he said, get back into class. He came in, he put those books down on the table. He said, I can teach you more in 10 minutes than any professor can teach you in a day. Here, and sit down and get this lesson. Norman Elmore, Haynes Walton. But I had the thing that I tell people, and I talked to a lot of people that go to it that went to HBCUs, and they said they felt that the instructor really cared about them. Haynes Walton, Gaynell Hewitt, Joyce McLemore, Joanne Green, Norman Elmore, although Dr. Bain, all of those people, I sincerely cared. Steve Smith, Simpson. I sincerely, genuinely felt they cared about me. Steve Smith, he was my. He was my history professor. And he's like, Ah, Mr. Sharp, I see you had a brilliant game, but do you know about the imperialism? Brilliant times. And come on, cut your boys some slack. You just told me you heard, I got. You saw, I got. You heard or you saw? I got down, but they made sure I got my Lesson.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Every Friday, Joe. Never fail. Had me a briefcase. Had me a collar, shirt and slacks.

[Sleep Apnea PSA Narrator]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I know I'm gonna be something. I know it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Using that Decked out, huh?

[Sleep Apnea PSA Narrator]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We have to. We have. We have a class. We had a class. They let us put on trials. I was Johnny. I didn't know who Johnny Crockett was. I was Johnny Crockery. Willie Gary, Jerry Spence. I was all F. Lee Bailey. I was any famous lawyer you could think of. Roy Black. I was there way back then.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, you was a criminal justice major.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was a criminal justice major at.

[Joe Johnson]

Do you know that's what I majored in?

[Sleep Apnea PSA Narrator]

Yeah.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

I hate to say it, but I

[Joe Johnson]

don't trust much of anything.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's the rage bait.

[Sleep Apnea PSA Narrator]

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We got clear facts. Maybe we can calm down a little.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Let's meet at the Facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America.

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[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, see, I grew up watching Matlock. You know, I used to watch Matlock

[Shannon Sharpe]

and you know, Madlock, Ironside. Yes, all of them.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, come on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey.

[Joe Johnson]

I knew you was. Hey, hey, hey. I knew you was like, hey, look, I know it's cancer season too now for my councils out there, you know, y' all spam the chat with the council. Hey, baby. Hey. It's cancer season.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We had. We had completely different opposite. We were completely different sides of the spectrum. I majored in finance and my, my minor was goddamn. Was theater and drama.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, drama. That's what I hear.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, Joe. Hey, Uncle Joe. Now, you know I'm good in front of that camera when I got in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We gotta let you add live, though. See, we can't give you a script. We gotta let you add.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm good. I'm good with a script too, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you give me a script. We want you. We're gonna give you an outline of how close we want you to stay to the split, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or it's gonna come off as rehearsed and it's gonna come off as it not being.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah. I got. I gotta use my own words.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. He that guy. He that guy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You put him in the game. You just let him go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Just let him do a thing. Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you want me to do? Whatever, cuz, just go get. Just go get over me. Hey, man, what? Ultra running. Hey, don't worry about, hey, just when you get open, throw it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, he gonna be open. That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

AJ the bonds on how he thinks he and Trey Young can find a good balance together as ball dominant players. I think we can definitely find a balance. I can play off the ball. Obviously not a lot of people have seen that, but I played off the ball at Prolific Prep with Tyron Stokes and those guys with Team usa. I'm not the number one option. I have to pave my way. I'm walking in with some vets on the team. I have to earn my spot. Love what he's saying.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I do too. I do too. But I think their games complement each other. I think they can play great off one another. Both can create. Both can ISO. Both can create a shot not only for themselves but for guys around them. And with that being said, bro, when you got two playmakers scores guys who make guys around them better, I just think it's a perfect match. He can guard those guys that Trey may have trouble guarding.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

You put AJ on them. Guys with that length, you know, being able to move the way he moves. I just think it's a great compliment to one another. And if AD stays in Washington and he comes in in any kind of shape, Uncle Ocho to where he want to say, I'm gonna get back to that ad. I used to be 25 and 12.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, man, I think that, I think AJ has came into the right situation where he can really learn from these two vets and still, you know, be rookie of the year. I really think that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Clippers took Keaton Wagler. The Brooklyn Nets took Michael Brown Jr. I guess it's Michael McHale Brown Jr. Yeah. Darius Acuff with seven to Sacramento. Kingston Fleming went number eight to the Hawks. I like you like you like you

[Joe Johnson]

like the Hawks pick out of Houston. I don't know if you Ocho seen him play, but he about six four, six five, got great length, great athlete, has a great mid range game. He can score that ball. He lock up, play defense. If, if you go to Houston, bro, you gotta have some dog in you. Those guys defend at a high level. They play both ends of the floor. Fleming's gonna be great. He's gonna be a great piece to mix in with with JJ and the guys here with the Hawks. Man, I look forward to watching him play and I think he's just going to be a great plug in piece. He's gonna be a great plug in piece. A guy who they've been Looking for who can score the Rock. Take some pressure out jj, CJ and these guys, I think. Perfect match, bro. Perfect match because they.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you guys start three guards. You guys. You guys start jj. You guys start dj, CJ And Alexander. Alexander.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So those guys still gonna start, but Fleming's. He'll definitely get his opportunities, bro. I ain't gonna lie. I thought they probably was gonna go big, but they end up getting the other big boy out of. And where he come from. The edge of all, guy, they took him 23. Okay? St. John's big guy, he about power four. He got some dog in him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

He got some dog in him. He got some dog him. So I think the Hogs got two great picks in that first round that. That. That'll be able to plug and play right away. Okay, Ocho. Yeah, yeah. Ocho, I know you happy about your heat. I know you're happy about your heat, but y' all got something.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. Let me tell you something about me, Joe. Ain't no need for me to be happy, Joe. I. I don't know. Listen, I don't know. You've been on here for. For a good little time now, right? Have you noticed anytime I predict something, even though I do it in a playful manner, and y' all don't believe me because my story sounds exaggerated, it sounds not believable. Do you understand? I've been. You understand? I've been right 99 of the time, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

You. You've been right a lot, but you' as hell, too, boy. I'm talking about.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Come on. See, Joe, Joe, we. We can't continue to call everything luck, Joe. At what point are you gonna say, you know what? Oo, you know what? I doubted you, but, boy, you know what the hell you talking about, Joe? When you gonna say that? Why it gotta be luck, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you know, I don't think that's

[Shannon Sharpe]

gonna happen, though, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, black folk, we don't get. We don't get that much luck. Now, Joe, come on, now.

[Joe Johnson]

Listen, listen. Oo, I think I. Hey, look, I hate to see my young boy, Kel, where. You know he from? The crib. He from Little Rock. Yeah, I hate to see him in that trade. But I love to see Bobby Portis from the crib go over to south beach, too. I know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Bobby. Like, hey, hey, y' all gonna take Yana. Damn it, take me, too. Cause I want to go to South Beach. Yeah, hold on, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

When we had Bobby on the show, what did I tell Bobby? Who did I tell? I told Bobby, bobby, guess who coming to Miami.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Bobby laughed at me.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He like, nah. And I didn't want to tell him right there. But Bobby, you coming too? I couldn't disclose that information then. My sources wouldn't talk to me, to me no more.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But hey, it is. It is what it is. I'm gonna see. I don't know. Bobby might be here now. I'm gonna take Bobby to too, tomorrow.

[Joe Johnson]

All right?

[Ryan Seacrest]

All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Golden State warriors, with the 11:11 pick, took Michigan forward Yel Lindenberg. They won a national championship. A war room camera for the warriors called. Owner Joe Lam and GM Mike Dunleavy appeared to disagree on what to do with the pick. Lindenberg on playing with Curry. It's a full circle moment for me in 2016. I'm a big Kyrie guy, so. I used to hate Steph Curry.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, he, he said that in his interview.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. I think the thing, the biggest thing is like lake them and, and, and, and done leaving.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because at the end of the day, look, we got Steph Curry. We only have Steph Curry for a finite period of time.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What are the best pieces that we can put around him? Because we don't have anything to trade.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The problem is, is that you should be happy because guess what, you got Kevin Durant. And you didn't have to trade pieces to get him, but also you lost him too.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you think you couldn't get pieces for him.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You didn't give up pieces or you didn't get anything for him. So that's. Hey, boom, boom, boom. Now, as guys start to get older, what do you have to give up? What assets do you have to put around Steph as he starts to get old? He's still a phenomenal player.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Draymond. Jimmy Butler's coming back off an injury. What pieces can I put around them? Excuse me. Chat to seriously, seriously make us a contender. Nah, today ain't close.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Not, not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They not beating. They not beat. They're not beating San Antonio. They not beating the Thunder. They not going to beat the war. They're not going to be the Nuggets or Minnesota.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We're at best case they got to be filled. Now if Houston, we don't know what Houston's going to do. We don't know what the Lakers gonna do. But if you notice, the last several years they've been in the play in and in the last seven Years they hadn't gotten out. A lot of those years they hadn't gotten out.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They need too many pieces, Uncle Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Who you talking about?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Golden State.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think too many pieces.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I think Lindenberg is just. I think he'll be a plug and play guy right away, because. Which I gotta understand now. You got Moses Moody, who probably gonna miss all of. All of this year's coming up because, yeah, we don't know what Jimmy Butler situation gonna look like. So he probably gonna be out at least the first six months, if not more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

At least. I'm saying, the first of the year. Maybe All Star Game, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Maybe. Maybe acl. I mean.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, depending on where they at in the stand as hell, he may take the hope the whole, yo, you know what I mean? So there will be opportunity for this young man to come right. Right in and play. He's been in college for quite some time. He's been through the rigorous parts of it. He's a more of a veteran guy in college, you know what I mean? And he's not a guy who's gonna come in, bro, and be trying to do things outside of himself. You know that. That's what the warriors want. They want guys who can plug. Who they can plug into their systems and who can play pretty much right away.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, and play great in their system. So I think that was probably the biggest gripe and grown they had with Kaminga. Kaminga.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like, damn that.

[Joe Johnson]

I got a bag out here. I can score this thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, man, I ain't trying to play like y' all say. Hey, Brad, look here. Hey, look here. I know y' all hired a cashier, whole security guy, but I'm trying to be the coo. I'm trying to be the bank manager.

[Joe Johnson]

Right? Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all hired me for the wrong job. So, look, they got. They got Pazinski, and I love Santos. The Santos kid can play.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I just. Even. Even with that, I don't know if that's enough.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, no, not. Not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not. Not. Not the way this roster is currently constructed and that you got to keep Steph healthy for at least 70 games for you to have a chance.

[Joe Johnson]

It's just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right now, it's just hard. He. He runs so much. The pace is so fast, and little ticky attack injuries just put him down for weeks. Two weeks, if. What? What? He had a knee. He had a hamstring.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He had something ankle.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, yeah. And not only that. Here you playing in the Western Conference, man, the Western Conference, them first seven, six, seven seeds, man, they're gonna be locked up for quite some time, and I just don't see OKC breaking the top six. You know, like, like, like you say. I mean, yeah, the Warriors, I think they gonna always be in the. Down at, down at the bottom in the play in, man. It's just. It's too challenging because you're gonna have too many key guys missing this season, and you're gonna probably have to rely on more young guys. And I, I mean, I don't see it, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Thunder took a 7:3 guy, Mara, from the University of Michigan. What does that mean, Joe? Are they gonna have. Hey, is that another guy that can bank? Is he for Wendy?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, we've seen what we was up against.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, so now do. Are we keeping three bigs? Oh, so that means we got chat. We got Mark.

[Joe Johnson]

We might.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is that a situation where we move on from Hardenstein? What's. What's going on, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

I think, I think that's what. I think that's what potentially may happen. I think you may end up, you know, moving on from Hardenstein and this kid Mara, who's 7 2, 7 3, you know, who can move, he can pass, he can score the ball. Hey, hey, man, at this point, you already know. You gotta have when you play San Antonio, especially if in that Western Conference.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And you know, you may see him in the postseason.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn it.

[Joe Johnson]

You better have your answer.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You better have. You need at least two bigs. You remember when everybody had to try to deal with Shaq? They had at least three bigs.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got 18 files for your big ass shack.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, but do you want.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you don't, he gonna file your number one. So he gonna file him out.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Do you really want to let Hardenstein go? Do you really want to let your muscle go, let you enforce a goal just because another player is 7 2?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I think the thing is, Ocho, is that I think the club has an option. How much is that option? Yeah, because they're trying to get out of that second apron now by moving Wiggins. We went from 212 to 152.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I still would like to get even lower than that. Yeah, preferably. I like to get up under 100 million.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Think about it, Ocho. We lost in the Western Conference finals, and I got to pay 152 million and I didn't get the title right so all things being equal, I like to be up on the 100 million. Could I get that down to 80?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. And had these rookie, had these rookie salaries mixed in. Yeah, to the point, it don't, it don't hurt us as much, but yeah, I think Hardenstein may, may be the next one because you got, you could, I mean, to carry all three of those guys. I, I, that's gonna be, that's gonna be hard to see, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's asking, that's asking an awful lot. Yo, Yukon, center of Yukon, forward. He goes 29. Joshua Jeffries Jefferson from Iowa State. He goes 28 to Brooklyn.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, shout out, Shout out to my guy. 18. Look, Christian Anderson, man. Hey, he went to Texas Tech. He from, he from Atlanta. He played. He didn't played over here with me in these lifetime leagues since he was a little kid.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look here.

[Joe Johnson]

Him and his daddy. And man, just to see his growth and maturity as a player at Texas Tech, he was, I mean, hell, he, he did everything I thought he would. He boy, just flat out. He can play, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He can play.

[Joe Johnson]

He made it to the league, man. Congratulations, bro. Hey, look, let me tell y' all something. So the lifetime from my house, Uncle Ocho, is probably, probably a little over two miles. I'm driving down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You go to one of the springs. Okay? You go right inside the perimeter.

[Joe Johnson]

They want that film. That's the club over there. It's jumping.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Over here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. They're building another, they're building another one, I think, in perimeter. Perimeter, they're building another one. And they got an equinox coming, Joe, you know.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I've seen that. I've seen that. I've seen that. I know it's getting real around here. We gotta get some stock in one these gym right here, huh? Hey, look, check me out. Check me out, though. I'm driving down Roswell one day, I see the little Christian Anderson. He out, he on Roswell Road. He running, you know, getting a job in. It's him. Yeah, his little brother just. I think he just signed with Georgia Tech. I seen his little brother just did something with Georgia Tech, but he can play his sister run track.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They running.

[Joe Johnson]

They, they run from the house all the way to the gym. That's like probably three miles for them. I stopped one. They're like, hey, man, what y'. All, man, our dad made our dad make us run to the gym and run home. Like, when I see stuff like that, bro, like, I be, I just shake my head because, you know, greatness upon him. You Know what I mean? Like. Yes. This man work hard, bro. This man work hard, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He can hoop.

[Joe Johnson]

He can hoop.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's awesome. Everybody, the. The Lakers selected Sergio De La Larrea, who. That is Valencia.

[Joe Johnson]

That must be a 6 foot 6

[Shannon Sharpe]

guard out of Valencia for Spain. He's from Spain.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Valencia.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, that must be Luca homeboy or something. You know, they. Hey, they finna turn the Lakers into a foreign team. Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I think, look, we're gonna see Joe in July free agency start. We'll see. Trade that pick move. What. What can we get? I. I think that's the fun time trades happen because the trades happen more so in, in basketball than they do football. I mean, obviously we've had some big moves this off season with, with Miles Garrett and we saw the, the bombshell that happened right before the season with, with Michael Parsons last year. But normally we don't get a whole lot of stuff like this happening in the NFL. It might mainly happen in basketball, but I think the. I think the NBA season is going to be free agency. We're going to see some wheeling and dealing because look, obviously the, the Giannis, that thing, shock waves, man. But I don't. I don't think the NBA is done.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, it shouldn't have.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man, here we go, you guys.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Months, months ahead of time. But.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But it's still.

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He.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got traded.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Even. I mean, look, we were talking. We. We talked about it about with Miles Garrett when they did it. Oh, yo, they doing that. But they're like, nah, somebody else gonna pay that money, right? We ain't trying to get off at the. We ain't trying to get up no 29 million right now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We give you 29 million and we trade you. No, no, no, no. Hey, let's push this thing back to 15 days into the season.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Let somebody else take care.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Boom.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Gone. It still shocked us because that's Miles Garrett.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got the defensive player of the year, the reigning defensive player of the year. Now you let him link up with the reigning MVP and the guy that led the league and receiving and the guy that led the league in touchdown catches and a guy that was a top 10 running back and Kyrie Williams.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, we, we, we. We surprised by that.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, the question is, Ocho, is Gianna's gonna take somewhat of a haircut to be able to keep. What's his name? Who? Freedom Norman Powell. Yeah. Yeah. Is he gonna be. Is he gonna do that or he gonna take the whole Shebang.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He gonna take the whole shebang.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What?

[Joe Johnson]

He ain't gonna do the Brunson deal, like, so you can see how, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell no.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yo, 113.

[Joe Johnson]

No state tax over here. No stats.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, state tax.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No state tax on 113. Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, what's up?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I. I ain't. And don't. I'm gonna say it. I told you first. Now, here we go again. Oh, now, Pat Riley, Mickey Harrison, now they got something else. They got something else up they sleeve now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, something else. Like what?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Somebody else coming in. They got something else up they sleeve now.

[Joe Johnson]

Because I could tell you, hey, if. If. I don't know if he gonna fit, if it's who I think he's talking about.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, it's probably not who you think, but I'm just saying he got some up sleep up his sleeve, so. Okay, we got Giannis, but we still got to be able to compete in the East. Huh? We don't want. We don't. We don't want to just make the play. And we want to be seated. I told that yesterday. I told him that last night.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, y' all gonna be seated in the play. In.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We ain't doing no playing this year.

[Joe Johnson]

You said. Hey. Hey, you saying the Heat should be a top four team in the Eastern Conference?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think top five. Top five. I mean, when we talk about some of the team coming out east, it needs to be the Celtics, the Knicks, the Heat. In that order? In that order.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Until they prove what you gonna do with the Pistons.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Pistons.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Say it again.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, well, hey, what you gonna do about the Hawks, the only team that beat the champs twice? Who was up on them in the series? What you gonna do about my house?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Did you just hit the order? I just said.

[Joe Johnson]

You ain't say. Everyone saying you probably forgot about the house. I'm trying.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, no, I didn't forget about the house. The Hawks probably fifth or sixth and come, you know, fifth or sixth. They down there. They down at the bottom.

[Joe Johnson]

We done.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, let Pat Riley pull this one more. Just one more trick out of his hat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got one more talk.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He got one more trick up his. Up his sleeve. Now, remember, I told you first on plus nicotine pouches.

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