Nightcap Hour 1: Wemby UNREAL Game 1 in WCF + SGA’s MVP Upset Wemby

Summary

Nightcap Podcast: Wemby UNREAL Game 1 in WCF + SGA’s MVP Upset Wemby

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, Joe Johnson (ISO Joe), Guest Analyst

Date: May 19, 2026

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Overview of the Episode

This episode breaks down Game 1 of the 2026 Western Conference Finals between the San Antonio Spurs and the Oklahoma City Thunder—a game dominated by a historic performance from Victor Wembanyama (“Wemby”). With Wemby posting a 41-point, 24-rebound night, the panel analyzes what made his game special, the duel with Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (SGA) fresh off his MVP, and the remarkable rise of the young Spurs core. The conversation also takes on themes of leadership, player development, and what it takes to build winning team culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Wemby’s Dominant Performance (41 pts, 24 rebs, 3 blks, 3 asts)

• Youngest Ever 40-20 Playoff Game: Panel in awe of Wemby's statline and composure at just 20 years old.
• Game Impact: Every time the Thunder started a run, either Wemby or a Spurs teammate shut it down.
• Historical Comparison: “This team, this game was back and forth and every fire that the OKC Thunder tried to start put it out. Victor Wemby, the youngest guy to record a 40-20 game in NBA playoff history.” — Ocho [07:16]
• Defensive Presence: Wemby’s defense described as “Dion over there on the... you ain’t gonna even throw to his damn side.”
• Altered Shots: Beyond blocks, panel notes he probably changed “15 to 17 shots” (Joe, [25:18]).

2. Game 1 Breakdown and Key Moments

• Double OT Thriller: Spurs take Game 1 on the road, 122-115, ending OKC's 8-0 playoff run.
• Momentum Swings: Both teams had major runs; the game repeatedly tied or within one possession.
• Critical Shots: Wemby hit a “35-footer to tie the game, ice in his veins” (Joe, [60:43]).
• Role Players Shine: Champagne hit the big three; Harper and Castle both drew praise for poise and aggression.

3. Secondary Performers and Team Dynamics

• Dylan Harper (Rookie): 24 pts, 11 rebs, 6 asts, 7 steals. Historic rookie efficiency and only “one turnover under that pressure” (Joe, [41:59]).
• Stephon Castle: 11 assists but also 11 turnovers. Critique on ball security (“11 turnovers is way too much” — Guest Analyst [14:00]).
• Alex Caruso (OKC): 31 points off the bench, “most points off the bench in a conference finals since Tyler Herro in 2020” (Ocho, [34:16]). Caruso’s defense on Wemby was valiant but ultimately futile against the size mismatch.

4. SGA, the MVP, and OKC’s Struggles

• SGA's Efficiency: Scored 24 points on 23 shots. “I give Shay 24 if it’s gonna take him 23 shots... I can live with that.” — Ocho [14:02]
• Team Response to SGA’s MVP Ceremony: Joe notes emotional hangover and distractions, referencing his own experience with Steve Nash as MVP [15:10].
• Supporting Cast Issues: Chet Holmgren and Hartenstein were “taken out of the game,” unable to meaningfully contribute against the Spurs’ bigs.

5. Young Spurs Dynasty in the Making

• Comparisons to Past Teams: Ocho draws parallels to dynastic runs (LeBron, Shaq, Duncan) ([18:35]), suggesting “this ranks up there.”
• Player Development & Culture:
  • “San Antonio... they got a chance to create another dynasty, man.” — Joe [40:44]
  • “RC Buford... the track record is there. Same guy. Look at Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Kawhi, Wimby, Castle, Harper.” — Ocho [64:22]
• Team Chemistry: Praise for the “crop” of Spurs talent growing up together—Wemby, Castle, Harper, Vassell [44:31].

6. Coaching and Organizational Strength

• Coach Johnson (Spurs): Receives kudos for maintaining system post-Popovich.
• System over Stars: Both panelists highlight the “fit” and willingness to sacrifice among Spurs and Thunder role players—likened to Patriots’ football ethos.

7. Fun, Banter, and Memorable Analogies

• Animal Analogies: Ocho describes Spurs as having “a Caucasian shepherd, an alibi—Thunder might have pit bulls, but Spurs got something else” [18:22].
• Crocodile Patience: On Wemby’s game—“He don’t get up and chase no food... he just waits” (Ocho, [53:13]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Wemby’s Shot Selection & Composure:

  • “He shot it with extreme confidence. This was a very, very good game. I want to give kudos to Caruso—a young bull, belong on the goddamn max deal.” — Guest Analyst [12:13]
  • “That turn around...catch it and shoot it and don’t even come back down.” — Ocho [42:39]
  • “Look at that damn 35-footer he shot to tie the game, bro. They were plenty of time on the clock. I'm like, hold on.” — Joe [60:43]

• On OKC's Defensive Challenges:

  • “OKC has to limit the guys around him. No way around it.” — Joe [50:33]
  • “He probably altered 15 to 17 shots... as great as Wemby was, look at Harper and Castle. They were competing at the highest level.” — Joe [25:18, 17:58]

• Banter over Predictions:

  • “You two picked the Thunder. There’s one denominator—the one person you’re not going to stop, no matter what.” — Guest Analyst [20:08]
  • “Slow down, Turbo! It’s one game.” — Joe [21:24]

• On Spurs Program Building:

  • “You draft the guy that high, what’s the inclination? Throw him in there, let him feel for himself. That’s not what the Spurs do.”—Ocho [64:50]
  • “Having those legends around like Manu, Tony Park, Tim Duncan, David Robinson—show them the Spurs way and the culture.”—Joe [65:43]

• Aftermath/Reactions to SGA’s MVP:

  • “Wemby said after the game he was for sure motivated by SGA's MVP over him. Stephen Castle on Wemby: ‘Best player in the effing world.’” — Ocho [59:08]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Wemby’s Double-Double Half and Triple-Double Pace: [36:12] – [36:47]
• Big Shot Analysis and Wemby’s Confidence: [60:43] – [61:03]
• Spurs Culture and Player Development: [64:13] – [66:56]
• Comparisons to Historical Performances (LeBron, Shaq, Duncan): [18:35] – [19:12]
• Thunder’s Caruso’s Night: [34:16] – [35:22]
• OKC Defensive Game-plan and Chet Holmgren Challenges: [25:37] – [26:45]
• Banter About Series Predictions: [21:02] – [22:44]; [29:00] – [30:10]
• Discussion of Rookie Dylan Harper’s Big Game: [62:27] – [64:13]

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Flow/Style

The conversation is candid, high-energy, and refreshingly unfiltered—a mix of deep basketball analysis, barbershop bravado, playful ribbing, and occasional moments of respect and awe for the athletes on display.

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Final Thoughts

• Wemby’s historic Game 1 in the WCF is an instant classic, positioning the Spurs as a legitimate title contender and raising the question of whether a new NBA dynasty is brewing in San Antonio.
• The Thunder, although shaken, should not be written off as they are expected to respond strongly in Game 2, with adjustments anticipated for SGA, Holmgren, and the supporting cast.
• The episode underscores the importance of organizational stability, youth development, and collective buy-in—a winning recipe at the heart of both teams’ recent success.

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For Listeners New to the Show

This episode is a lively, insightful conversation for anyone who missed Game 1 or wants to understand why Wemby's Game 1 is being called “unreal.” If you want expertise, laughs, some old-school flavor, and the feeling of talking basketball with true legends, this is for you.

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[Guest Analyst]

The spurs started off really well. Joe. Hey, hey, Joe. Keep your mouth closed.

[Joe]

Oh, my bad. Y' all hear me? My bad.

[Guest Analyst]

Because I'm questioning, I'm questioning your ball knowledge from now on. Hey, hey, Uncle Joe, all jokes aside, the spurs started off hot, right? You know, they were up by a little bit. But the goddamn Thunder fought back, got into the game, and from that point on, once they were able to catch back up, it was back and forth. Tonight's basketball was art. It was beautiful on both, Listen, both ends in transition, defensively, offensively, it was all about moments. It was about moments, especially in transition. Caruso hitting big shots. Goddamn Wimby hitting big shots. Hey, hey, Joe. He hit one. What was that? 74ft? I'm like, who the hell.

[Ocho]

Down, down three.

[Guest Analyst]

Who pulls up from that goddamn far? Unless you, Steph Curry.

[Joe]

My God.

[Guest Analyst]

Hold on. Hey, Joe. And he shot it with extreme confidence. This was a very, very good game, right? This was a very, very good game. I really enjoyed it. I want to give kudos to goddamn Caruso. I don't know how much he make, but he, a young bull, belong on the goddamn max. Deal. I, I, hey, hey, Joe, help me understand something. Towards the end of the game, right? Why would, why did they why did they have Caruso on. On goddamn Wimby instead of Shet to fight him?

[Joe]

You know, he do a good job in guarding guys that's a lot bigger than him. But Wimby just a different animal.

[Guest Analyst]

Hey, completely.

[Ocho]

And Wemby bailed him out sometimes, Joe, because I thought instead of catching the ball and breaking it down, because when you bring it down, you got to bring it back and shoot it because you so tall, Wendy. Keep it up here and turn around and do this right here. They can't challenge you up there. But if you look at what he did Oo and I'm G. Let you go and finish Hardenstein two points, two rebounds. Chat 8 and 8. He completely took him out of the ball game. Hey, they were afraid. Go ahead, go ahead. Your thoughts fga.

[Guest Analyst]

And he was, he was okay tonight. Five spurs in double figures. Hun only six spurs and double figures. If I'm not.

[Ocho]

If Kelton Johnson came in and gave. Yeah.

[Guest Analyst]

If I'm not mistaken, I think Caruso, Jalen Williams and goddamn Shade within was in double figures.

[Sophia Donner]

I'm.

[Guest Analyst]

I'm surprised that the game was actually this close. This, this is a small sample size. One thing I, I do need to fix if I'm the coach of the Spurs, I go and I go into that locker room and I talk to Stephen Castle. Listen, I need you to protect the ball a little bit more. The turnover, the turnovers, they didn't kill us tonight, but at some point in this series going to hurt us and going to harm us. We need you to protect the ball a little better. 11 turnovers is way too much.

[Ocho]

That's entirely way too, way too many.

[Guest Analyst]

And I mean.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe. And when you look at. Look, I give Shay 24. If it's gonna take him 23 shots.

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Ocho]

I. Hey, that's what you. But they did a great. But I, I think the thing is, is that what they did. They did a great job of switching that last play. They cleared everybody on one side and, and you know, Shay is trying to get on an edge. He's slippery. He like a greased eagle. He's slippery. It's hard.

[Guest Analyst]

I'm glad you said that. Real quick before you go again, is sga. Is he left handed?

[Joe]

Nah, he right.

[Ocho]

He righty. So.

[Guest Analyst]

Oh, I was trying to feel what Castle did, what he was supposed to do. He took away. He took away him going to the right. But hell, the way he went to the goddamn left towards the end of the game like well, damn.

[Ocho]

But he. But, but, but no it was rich right hand. But he's so long. And so by the time he stout, Castle was just okay. I'm glad he didn't violate. That's the one thing you don't want to have happen. You already beat. You might as well just go ahead.

[Joe]

Yeah, that was a great.

[Ocho]

Because the worst thing that could happen is what? And he almost got one, the left handed.

[Joe]

When?

[Ocho]

Late in the ball game. Joe, he almost got it. Hey, listen, Joe, go ahead, talk about

[Joe]

what you saw, man. I'm gonna give OKC a little credit, you know, doing off this emotional high, you know, from Shea winning the mvp. Uncle Ocho, they probably had a lot to endure over the past couple days. I played with an mvp, so I know what that's like when I play with Nash and the ceremonies and all, you know what I mean? It's a lot. I thought Caruso done a hell of a job and keeping them in the game. Hell, if it weren't for Caruso, they probably would have lost by. By 25.

[Guest Analyst]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

They get blown out in the first half.

[Joe]

Yeah. And you know, San Antonio is so great defensively. I'm talking about on the perimeter. Damn Wimby right now. I'm talking about on the perimeter as far as guarding their yard, you know what I mean? Keeping your man in front. Yeah. If we get beat every now and then. Hell, if you okc. I see OKC driving. They weren't even looking at the rim. They doing the little Nash dribble all the way under the gold. Cause you like, damn, if I shoot it. If I shoot it, he gonna sit in this. In the first, second row. Yeah, yeah, man.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, the only time they tried to come to the page, yo, when they had. When Chad had Wimby out by the three point line. And then here they come. Hey, and you see him, he said, now you go out here, let me get back here. It'll stink up in there. I don't want to go up in there.

[Joe]

Hey, but listen, real talk, though, I don't really know if we understand how special of a performance this was by Wimby tonight. Because it's in real time, you know what I mean? Okay, Ocho, like, bro, the things that he's able to do on the court. Ocho, I agree with you. Shooting at the long ass. Three, bro. Down three, like, damn, you gotta have some big kahunas, homeboy. Yeah. You know, to be able to.

[Ocho]

How old is Wimby? 20, 21, 22, I think, man, and.

[Joe]

And if we just being honest, I Think the Minnesota series kind of prepared him for this series. Understanding the physicality of the playoffs and how it's gonna continue to get more physical as you continue to advance and. Listen, hell, Wimby, how else you think we're going to be able to stop you? They. They gotta be physical, bro. They have to make it tough for you. Hell, you gotta hit the ground at least 20 times a game. You know what I mean?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Outside of that, you don't have an answer for what he brings to the game, fellas, because defensively, it's like having Dion over there on the. Damn. We ain't gonna even throw to his damn side. Shit, don't even worry about it. But you gotta come in this paint some way somehow to try and create opportunities for. For your team to be successful scoring the ball. And with him in the paint, bro, it's just way too hard because you think you got something.

[Ocho]

I ain't trying to prove no point. I ain't trying to prove no point. You good, you go ahead and. Women have that. You good. That's what. Hey, when we play time. Hey, if he's on you, we're not throwing the ball your way.

[Joe]

Hey. Hey.

[Ocho]

So, just so you know, get some great cardio today.

[Joe]

But as great as Wimby was.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Look at Dylan Harper. Look at Castle. How do? Yeah. Now, Castle had 11 turnovers. You can't have it. He had 11 assists. So basically, he had zero. But, man, you talking about. You talking about competing at the highest level. Uncle Ocho, this is what you watch the games for, bro, you know? Hey, hey. We know y' all got some dogs over there.

[Ocho]

Well, here.

[Joe]

We got some dogs.

[Guest Analyst]

Dogs, too.

[Joe]

Yeah. Now, let's see. Let's see what happened.

[Guest Analyst]

And let me. Let me.

[Ocho]

But that alibi we got. So y' all ain't got no ball? No dog? No. A dog like this right here? Listen, we got a Caucasian shepherd. We got an alibi, y'. All. Y' all might have some pit bulls, but we got something.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

No, no, no, no. He was. I mean, man, look, I'm a little older, you guys, so I've seen some. I've seen some performances. The LeBron when he scored 48 and he had 20, 40, 25. I saw Shaq when he got 40. 40 and 20 against. Yeah. Indiana. I remember Tim Duncan almost having a quadruple double a 21, 20, 10 and 8. I've seen some performances. This right? Yeah, man, absolutely. This ranks up there. Favorable. This is. I mean, for this kid to do that and it's almost like. And I love, you know, he's like, hey, that's me.

[Joe]

Yeah, he always.

[Ocho]

He. Early in the game, he tried to throw one cross court and he threw it too high. He put his hands. And that's me. I got this. No, don't. We worry about it. And you see him going to the bench.

[Joe]

Yeah, I got this.

[Ocho]

I got this. Don't even worry about it. Why y'. All, Y' all look concerned. Get the concern off your face with me here. I got this. Don't worry. They can't. They can't do nothing. You know, there's nothing worse than being in a situation that you can't do anything about. You know what they say, Ocho, control what you can control and everything else. Don't worry about it. Well, you going to the game, you can't control him, so why you don't worry about it?

[Guest Analyst]

Hold on. And that, that's what I told both of y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Guest Analyst]

That's what I understand. Both of you are supposed to have elite ball knowledge, right? So you understand how special is, huh? Hun Joe?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Guest Analyst]

You played the game at the highest level. You know the game. You've been watching the game since 1920, right? But I don't understand. We've been talking about this series, right? We talked about this series.

[Ocho]

We said.

[Guest Analyst]

We said, who's gonna win this series? Both of y' all had the nerve to pick the Thunder. And I said there was one common denominator. There's one person that they're not going to be able to stop, no matter what they do, no matter how good they are. I understand how good Shay is. I know he's a two time mvp. I know what Caruso can do, even though it's a mismatch. I understand he's. He's very. He's a gnat. He's like a fly. But I understand, in the entirety of a whole series, do you really think they're gonna. Darian Fox didn't even play tonight. Darian Fox didn't even play tonight. So imagine when he comes back, huh? What are we talking about? As great as the Thunder is offensively and defensively. Darian, I said it wrong. Okay, you know what, Default?

[Joe]

I'm gonna just say, there you go. There you go.

[Guest Analyst]

As great, as great as they are, when default come back, it's going to be a different ball game. That's why I don't understand. As great as y' all are, when it comes to the game of basketball, I'm not sure I'm questioning your IQ and ball knowledge from this point on.

[Ocho]

No, but it's Ocho. It wasn't about stopping him. At some point in time, Chet's gonna have to score 16, 18 to help offset some of the production.

[Guest Analyst]

How is he gonna do that when you understand what Castle and Vass are gonna do when they own him and what women gonna do when he owns.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Oh. Oo.

[Guest Analyst]

Hey, let me. Hey, Joe. I'm talking. Joe.

[Ocho]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Joe]

Hey, hey. Slow down, Turbo. Slow down, slow down. Look, look, let me tell you something. Listen. Whoa. Just pump your brakes.

[Ocho]

One game.

[Joe]

Hey, listen. San Antonio look great.

[Ocho]

They look great.

[Joe]

They match up well. They have everything to fight against okc. They've been successful throughout the regular season, and they really, really believe that they're the better team. I think Wemby believes that, and that's all that matters. Hell, because he's making these guys around him so much better. And they're. They're oozing with confidence.

[Guest Analyst]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

You know, they. They have what it takes. But I just don't think OKC gonna play this bad for the whole damn series.

[Guest Analyst]

Hey, Joe, I got something. I got a question for you, baby.

[Ocho]

You have to get off to a bell.

[Guest Analyst]

Hey, I got a question for you.

[Ocho]

What'd you say? What'd you say?

[Guest Analyst]

I got a question for both of y'. All.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Guest Analyst]

In a seven game series, right? It goes game by game. Right? Right.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Guest Analyst]

So that. And you just. Hey, Joe, that's an excuse. Oh, in just one game, you said the same thing when the Nick played the goddamn play. What? What. What's your team again, man?

[Joe]

Come on, man. Damn.

[Guest Analyst]

I'm saying. Hold on, wait, let me finish.

[Ocho]

Let me finish.

[Guest Analyst]

You said, oh, in just one game. And what happened? That's how it starts. That's how you get to a seven game series. You play game by game. And you saw a small. Let me. Let me finish. You saw a smell, a small symbol, size of a goddamn Spur team. That's not fully healthy because Defock didn't play tonight.

[Joe]

Right? Right.

[Guest Analyst]

Well, Shay did what he did. He was inefficient. If it take you that. If it take you that many shots to get that many points, we could live with that. Jalen Williams showed up tonight. You know he coming off injury. He played well.

[Ocho]

Jalen Williams played well. Giving him.

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah, come on. Come on now. But, Joe. Hey, I need both of y' all to do. Do me a smaller favor. I need you to respect my ball knowledge from this point on.

[Joe]

Yeah, okay, man. All right.

[Guest Analyst]

All right, Joe, I don't like your attitude.

[Joe]

Hey, I don't give a damn. I don't give a damn what you like. At this point, I'm just gonna keep it 100, you know.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Joe]

Oh, well, partner.

[Guest Analyst]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe, I tell you. Hey, excuse me one minute before we finish. Joe, I'm telling you, I'm jump on your head like a chicken on the June bug and keep playing with me. Now.

[Joe]

I want to see your little ass do it. Hey, man, listen. I ain't gonna lie to you, okay? Ocho?

[Ocho]

Yeah, him.

[Joe]

This San Antonio team scared me, man. They scared me. Hey, hey, hey. I'm talking about the things that Wimby is able to do. You look at Vesel, you look at champion guys who just really understand the moment, understand their roles. And I'm talking about they play them to the te. These ain't no guys you could just go at. They compete both ends, three and D guys, they knock down big shots. Yes. Harper and Castle doing much of the ball handling duties, getting into the paint pretty much whenever they wanted to. For real, if y' all just want to keep it 100.

[Ocho]

And if.

[Joe]

If Wimby got a foot in the paint, just throw it by the rim. Hell, he gonna go. Yeah, he gonna go tip it in. They have a very unique team. They know how to use Wimby to the tee to their advantage. Because if I'm.

[Ocho]

If.

[Joe]

If me and Wimby in a pick and roll, I'm running, I'm. I'm ball handling. He's setting the pick and roll for me, and he rolls, bro. You always gonna have something nice to get. You might have your wide open layup, your floater, your. Because they don't want to give up the lob. It's just too many options, bro. They get so many wide open shots just off their activity alone, picking up full court, making every catch tough. Hey, okc, they in for a fight now. You lose that game one at home.

[Ocho]

Wimby. Wimby is that quarterback. Wimby is Tom Brady. Peyton Manning. When you got him, you know everything's gonna be okay, man. Cause I know he can score me. I know he can score me 40. I know he can give me 20 plus rebounds. But guess what? I know he can neutralize your entire team. You're gonna be afraid. You see Jalen Williams, anybody else? That's a layup. Women said, did you forget Who? You must have forgotten. Yeah, that ain't. They left when I'm close by. It ain't no layup. If I'm in a surrounding county, that's not a layup. If I'm in another state, that's a layup. But if I'm in a county next to yours. Yeah, okay, try me if you want to.

[Joe]

Hey, look, they only had him down. They only got him down for three blocks. Real talk, he probably altered 15 to 17 shots. I'm just speaking, if not more like, you know, just by guys coming in there throwing up these wild shots, trying to get the ball over him. I think Hardenstein and Chick though, they, they got to be the difference maker. Uncle Ocho.

[Ocho]

Well, look, I'm not counting. I'm not. Look, Hardenstein, anything Hardenstein give me, give me points wise, I graciously accept. I'm looking at him to rebound. Now the problem is, is that you saw early on they took him out and brought aj, AJ Mitchell.

[Joe]

I mean, had to gotta open up the floor.

[Ocho]

So, so they're like, well, because it's not, it's not if there's really no one he can guard because you won't check on Wemby. And so now you got Hardenstein chasing the little guy. You got him trying to chase champagne or you got him trying to chase a vesel. I don't want that.

[Joe]

You don't want that. But also Hardenstein isn't an offensive big. And if we get to guard these guys who can't shoot outside the paint, it makes the spurs defense more suffocating. That's why you see, even look at Minnesota, how they got off to all them slow down starts. You know what I mean? Now you look at okc, I thought Hardenstein shot that one floater here. That was the only shot he shot and he missed it. It's like, damn, I. You know, the touch that he probably thought he needed to put on there, he had to put a little more. He missed it. He wasn't. He didn't look at the goal again.

[Ocho]

He's like, hell, I had to, I had to touch the batters when I shot it. Hell, he hold his hand up he 10ft, he jump he 12ft. So hell, I can't see the basket. What, what do you want me to do? But this was an unbelievable really good game. And like you said, and Chad has struggled, especially with the exception of really the last game against the Lakers. I mean against the Lakers series. That was the only game that that shade looked like shape. All the other games he, he was, he was very. I mean, you talking about a guy that shot 55 from the floor. He didn't look any, he looked anything but that against the Lakers with the exception of the last game. But like you said. But if you look at them, the spurs got off to this great start. And what makes them so dangerous, they down 10. Guess what? Boom. They shoot past them. They go three, they go back up seven. Whoa, we got a tie ball game. I'm like, that's what makes them so dangerous. Because no lead is safe. They come at you and guess what? They'll get a two, a three, a three. And you're like, damn, we were just up nine. How we, how we only up one? It was every time. Every time the spurs make a run, OKC had an answer. Every time OKC make a run, the spurs had an answer. But yo, you're right. The spurs believe they can beat this team, and they played the regular season knowing that. Look, in order to get to the destination that we look, you got to go through. If you go into grandma's house, you got to go. You got to pass the big bad wolf. You got to. The OKC is the big bad wolf. And grandma's house is the NBA finals. And now we want to get there. We got to go past her. We just got to. It is what it is. So guess what? We're gonna spend some time in the regular season whipping on your ass because we want you to. And you can say, oh, it don't matter. Regular season don't matter. It matters to the team because it gives them confidence. That's why I say, Ocho, I don't want nobody to try to D me up because now he going to get. Man, I do. What you see. I covered today. No, you didn't. Go ahead.

[Guest Analyst]

I was gonna say too. Also now with, with great understanding, you talk about getting the grandma house and understand you got to get through, you know, the, the big bad wolf, right?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Guest Analyst]

When it came to the regular season, when the spurs and the Thunder played, what was the series? Huh?

[Joe]

Oh, one.

[Ocho]

Four one.

[Guest Analyst]

Who won the series? Four one.

[Joe]

Spurs.

[Guest Analyst]

Okay, so again, for one. Now, again, let's go back to ball knowledge, huh? Let's go back to that. Now it comes to the playoffs. For some reason, when I asked you to yesterday on the show. Who are you picking in the seven game series between the spurs and the Thunder? Can you please tell the chat who you guys pick?

[Joe]

I picked okc.

[Ocho]

We picked, I picked.

[Guest Analyst]

Okay, okay. I, I, I just, I just want y' all to see, you know why? Why? I have elite ball knowledge and have been right. The entirety of the playoffs, man.

[Joe]

Listen, I. I'm. I'm looking at. I'm looking at the. The Russ versus the rest, you know, from okc. They. They didn't Swept through this. They ain't had no challenge. Oh, Joe. They ain't had no. This is the first.

[Guest Analyst]

So we. Are we making excuses?

[Joe]

They've been off. They've been off for an extended period of time.

[Guest Analyst]

Oh, okay. Okay. So that's your excuse.

[Joe]

It was Rusty and San Antonio just recently just got out of pretty grueling series. Obviously, you know, they. They were in control, but they.

[Ocho]

They.

[Joe]

They on a high right now.

[Ocho]

They. They.

[Joe]

They have momentum. They playing great. It was a great win. Hey, it was great entertainment for me, you know, watching the game, but.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

I still got OKC winning the series, bro.

[Guest Analyst]

Okay, just. Just hold that thought now. Let me put that in my notes. As you said, it was Russ. So when. When is game two, huh? So you said it was Russ in game one. So when they lose again in game two, I'm gonna make sure I bring you saying it was Russ. They were on a high. They got their trench coats and the AP watches. Maybe that was holding them down a little bit. You think that might have been.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, could have played a part in it, you know? Hey, hey, it's been a lot going on over the past couple days, man, you know?

[Guest Analyst]

Okay. Okay. So the reason they going home is because they celebrating. Okay.

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[Ocho]

Stefan Castle is the first NBA player to record a 10 assist, 10 turnover game. The in same playoff game since Steph Curry had 11 and 11 in game one. Alex Caruso 31 points off the bench. His 31 points is the most points off the bench in a conference finals since Tyler Hero in 2020, a Western Conference game going to double overtime with the first time since 1976 when the spurs, excuse me, the Suns and the Warriors. The Suns end up winning that series. That's when God hurt. And they went, if I'm not mistaken, they lost to the Celtics. And Gar Herd had a shot from half court to end up sending the overtime. And if I'm not mistaken, I think Dave Calvins was the MVP of that series. Cowan's model. No, I think Kareem won MVP that year. But look it up. I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think 76 with the Suns and Boston in the NBA finals. And I think Boston ended up winning that series. Hey, but it was, it was. I mean, Joe, will you, will you. Can you ask as. Can she ask.

[Joe]

What's that?

[Ocho]

Who played, who played the NBA Finals that year? Oh, who, Who?

[Joe]

What happened?

[Ocho]

Celtics beat the sun. You know, they had that great team. They had JoJo White, Dave Cowins. They had a nice little. And when.

[Joe]

What, what year Was this, huh?

[Ocho]

76. Paul Westfall, if I'm not mistaken. Gar Herd.

[Joe]

I wasn't even born. I ain't. I, I. Hey, I know, I know the names, you know, but I ain't, you know.

[Ocho]

Well, you, you was born Joe.

[Joe]

Born in 81.

[Ocho]

80.

[Guest Analyst]

God damn, Joe. 81.

[Joe]

Yeah, I'm an 80s, baby.

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah, I was, boy. I was born in 68. Boy, you. Hey, you young boy.

[Joe]

Man, stop lying for no damn reason. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, man, this game here, I'm just, I'm just sitting there watching Wimby. Now, I know because I see it. Halftime, he has 14 10. I said, well, he gonna get right 20. I was like, is it possible for him to get a, a 30 20? And then when they went to overtime, I said, well, he might get a 40 20. And then when they went to double over time, I say, ain't no doubt in my mind he getting a 40 20. Now, now my mind shifting. Joe, is he gonna get a 40, 40?

[Joe]

I, I think you. Because he, he, he don't have these games like that often. But when he does.

[Ocho]

They. They.

[Joe]

They seem unbeatable. I'm. I'm not sure.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

You know, he'll have another game like this in this series. Maybe will, but I didn't really think OKC played that bad. Especially the contribution that they got from they bench fellas. I thought Wallace, McCain and Caruso gave him great, great minutes, but San Antonio, bro, Wemby, just too overwhelming, man. He opened up the floor with so many. Look how many threes they shoot, huh? What they were they 13?

[Ocho]

They shot 43. They only made 13.

[Joe]

But they had so many that were wide open.

[Ocho]

But it had some great hooks.

[Joe]

Yeah. I mean, by him being in the paint, he causes so much attention, bro. You kind of gotta, you know, shrink your defense to kind of help.

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And then you build out. So you give up a lot of threes. That's the scary part. Hell, because they weren't. They weren't. They wasn't on fire tonight, but they made some big ones.

[Ocho]

He was. He was unbelievable. He was. He was unbelievable tonight. There's nothing else you can say about it. I love the way he approaches the game. He wants to be great. He's telling you he wants to be great. He's willing to put the work in and the sacrifice that comes along with being great. You cannot. You. You. There's nothing not to like about Victor Wimanyama. Yeah, I wish he was American. So we gonna get some MVP sometime soon because I don't know when the next American gonna win an mvp. I'm gonna be God honest truth between Jokic and Shay and now ain't no telling when we're gonna win another mvp. Who's the next guy can win an MVP for the America Ant?

[Joe]

Man, I don't. I don't think it's gonna be hard for anybody outside of Wimby because he gonna affect the game on both sides of the floor. Meaning he probably gonna lead the league. Well, not probably here. He gonna lead the league in blocks for damn sure. You know, he probably gonna average the double double, which he'll probably average about 12, 13 rebounds on top of 25, 26 points. And the thing is, the man had

[Ocho]

nine offensive rebounds tonight. He had the same number of offensive rebound as the Thunder had as a team. They were plus 21 on the rebounding. Hey, that's because he had more rebounds by himself, 24, than the OKC starters had 23.

[Joe]

That's because when he down under that damn basket, it take more than one guy to box him out. Hell, we got the game box out because if the ball come in his vicinity, hell, he gonna tip it a couple times. Hell, that's two, three rebounds, offensive rebounds right there. Then he tip it in. That's a. You know what I mean?

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, it's tough, bro. I see the struggle that OKC is having just by defending, even if. Hell, I think he more dangerous when he don't shoot the ball. If you just want me to be honest. Meaning, like, offensively, if one of them guys take long threes, he's able to keep the, you know, keep the possession alive or tip backs. It's just too much, bro.

[Ocho]

Hey, and to think about it, he only attempted 13 because, you know, sometimes he can fall in love with the three. Cause remember that game? What was that? The first game that he played against OKC when he was over.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

From the three point line. Joe and Ocho. Tonight, he's like, nah, I got y'. All. I got y' all minions on me. Hey, hey, them Lilliputians, they can't do nothing to me. They can't do nothing, and it ain't enough. And like I said, I'm like, damn, this man gotta be eight. Do you see how he towers over Chat? Chat is legit. 7foot. This man towers over Chad.

[Joe]

The man ain't got to jump over a phone book to dunk. He ain't. He barely getting off the ground when he dunking on him. He.

[Ocho]

I'm. I'm looking. I'm like, hold on. He posted up and I'm looking at Chat. I said, chad must have stumbled or something. Ain't no way that man head at. He had with me shoulder. I'm looking. I said, with that little ch.

[Guest Analyst]

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Ocho]

If. If young. If young. If young fella can stay healthy, Joe boy, the NBA got their head.

[Guest Analyst]

They got their boy for another 10, 15 years.

[Ocho]

As long as they got their hands.

[Joe]

San Antonio, they got their hands. San Antonio, they. They. You know, they got a chance to create another dynasty, man.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, listen, Go ahead, Joe.

[Guest Analyst]

Y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Guest Analyst]

Thunder got to get it together. They got to get together. You need more points. You know, having Caruso do what he did coming off the bench. That 31 was nice. Lou Dort, you got to come to the party. You got to come to the party. Only having seven shots ain't gonna get it done. Who thought? I mean, listen. No, even daughter's a. A joke. More of a defensive guy, huh?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Correct.

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah, I. I understand you good out there on that wing, but maybe you got to give Me something, because five ain't gonna do it. Cause you got to think if, if everybody on the spurs, right? If everybody in the sport that D. Fox ain't play tonight. So now you, you gotta count the hint for him coming in, having 15, 18 once he come back in game two. Joe. So, hey, Joe, I'm telling you, y' all boys in trouble. And I know both of y' all gonna say it's only one game. It's only one game. But you got a small sample size of what it's going to look like, you know, for the rest of the

[Joe]

series, they gonna play better.

[Ocho]

And I think the thing is, is that the spurs got to feel good. Oo. And Joe, when it comes crunch time, the ball's gonna be in Fox hand. I don't believe Fox makes some of the mistakes that Harper and some of

[Guest Analyst]

the Castle makes with the ball.

[Joe]

Hey, listen, listen. I know Harper fumbled that ball a few times tonight, but he only had one turnover. To be a rookie, to be thrust in the star lineup, to be a rookie, to play those type of minutes under that type of pressure, big plays out the big plays defensively, offensively, getting to the rack, bro, that's impressive, man. That's impressive. Hey, this young dude, that's what I love about him.

[Ocho]

He was aggressive, Joe. I mean, look at him in Castle, both of them had seven free throw attempts. Wimby. Wimby had 25 shot attempts and he had 13 free throw attempts. I can live with that. Cause now you know why he had so many shots, free throw attempts. Because he was not about bull driving that the three point line.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So now I can put the ball on the floor. And man, he was making. Man, look here, that turn around. And the thing is, the ball come off all in one motion. He catch it and shoot it and don't even come back now.

[Joe]

Yeah, man, the man, the man out of eye with the rim, bro. He out of eye with the rim. But uncles speaking on what you was talking about. Dylan Harper and Castle. Hey, man, that's why I tell y', all, the spurs gonna. They gonna have a good problem. They're gonna have to figure out what they're gonna have to do. I. I'm saying in years to come, when it comes to Fox, obviously, you know, for them to win this game without Fox, bro, it says a lot about your team, man. You know that.

[Ocho]

See, that's what I'm talking. Because think about it, we talked about this. In the last half of the season, the Thunder was still winning games without Shay do you know how solid your team has to be?

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

To win a game without its best player? Man, that you, you. Your team got to be deep. They got to be special. And the guys got to be willing to step up for the challenge. And I think this team has all the makings. They have all the makings to push OKC or to be an okc. They understand their best player. They know who it is they came up to. They're coming up together. Wendy was there first, and then here come Castle. And now you got Dylan Harper, you got Vassell, you got champagne. They very close. I mean, for the most part, they're close. Engaged. I think Harper is probably a year younger than Wimby, two years younger than Wimby. Castle is probably a year older than Wimby, maybe two. But they're right there in close proximity. So guess what? They're almost like when you plant a crop and all the things.

[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

That's what the spurs have done. They sow these seeds and these guys are coming up together.

[Joe]

Yeah. It's a.

[Ocho]

You look at Castle and College at UConn, and you like, damn. And you're like, okay, because you watch him. You want to know one thing? In UConn, you're gonna play hard or you're not playing for Dan.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know, you're not getting your ass on the court, so you gonna play hard. So we knew he played hard. And Joe, I don't think OKC realized he a two foot jumper. So you see, when he went down the line, I think they thought you hold on. You let him get to the line,

[Joe]

he gonna scratch his back. He gonna scratch his back with that thing. He gonna scratch his back with it. Hey, listen, you know, we marvel about how OKC got great perimeter defenders, and they do, but. But damn it, the spurs got some guys who. Hey, man, they showed me counseling. Harper showed me something tonight, man. I'm talking about getting to their spots.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Whenever they want to, how they want to. Playing big. Hey, man, spurs got a really, really nice team. Now, I do expect OKC to play a lot better, but the spurs got like a nice team, bro. I enjoy watching those guys play.

[Ocho]

But here's the thing. You expecting Shay to play better. I'm not expecting Caruso to give me another 31. 11 or 19 shooter, 8 or 14 from the 3. I ain't expecting that. So he's gonna have to play better. I think there's a better chance that he shoots a better percentage from the floor than Caruso. Giving us another game like this. I think Jayla Williams didn't play bad considering how he was off the last eight games. Joke. You gotta think he didn't play bad. He was level of 25. He was three or three from the free throw line. He had seven rebounds. He only played 37 minutes. So you see, but he was on a minute count. But now, hey, we got a chance to win this game. And we need to win this game, bro. You got to play the last. Hey, you got to play these last 10.

[Joe]

His ass gonna be hurting tomorrow, you know. Hey, hey. So my thing is the first game, you off adrenaline, you know, body probably feeling good. Cause you ain't really. You ain't played in a minute. But that damn second game too, he probably gonna be. He probably be a step slow.

[Ocho]

They're not gonna give you the call. You saw early on, Joe, he's flailing, throwing his hands up in there. Hey, reference. They get your ass up, get on down there. You about to get a layup. Now here, if you want to, we come back down here. But I ain't.

[Guest Analyst]

I like. I like the fact that the ref. Letting him play. Letting him play, you know, look, some of those calls. Some of those calls are calls that Shay gonna get during the regular season. Uncle Joe.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Guest Analyst]

You know, and, and come to the playoff time, especially in a series like this, it those refs, hey, we playing ball. I'm not calling everything. Now if it's egregious, I got you all that ticket.

[Ocho]

All that ticky tack stuff. Chet needs more than seven shots. I don't know if J Dub needs 25 shots. I mean, and Shay missed a couple. Hey, man, you saw Shay, right? One right there, point blank. That joker saw women hit the side of the rim.

[Joe]

That's what I'm talking about. You know, although he may not block your shot. Hell, he gonna make you think twice about it. Like, yeah, I wanna. I wanna shoot off the glad door. Let me get it up real quick so his ass don't get over here. Hey, hey, hey.

[Guest Analyst]

Uncle Joe, when it come to Caruso, right, He was with the

[Ocho]

Lakers, the Bulls.

[Guest Analyst]

Can you do me a favor? When it comes to a player like that, as, as valuable as he makes himself, is he one of those players that, that, that deserves a Mac contract or what do the numbers look like when it comes to a man like that?

[Ocho]

No, he making good. I mean, he making good money. O.J. the fact of the matter, you got to realize, Chicago, the Lakers wouldn't match a $36 million not max, based on

[Guest Analyst]

what he's able to do offensively and def.

[Ocho]

Rob as Rob Palinka. That's a question. That's for him, especially what he could

[Guest Analyst]

do for your defensive.

[Ocho]

You had. You had an elite defender, a three and D guy, played great alongside Braun. That. That is the question you should probably ask Rob Polinka.

[Guest Analyst]

I'm confused, Joe. And listen, when it comes to Caruso, right, this is. It's not just tonight. It's not him just doing this tonight. Hell, the goddamn Thunder won the goddamn NBA, the national championship. National championship, the NBA finals last year because of the way Caruso played.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Joe, you remember the last game, A lot of the games. Who was he guarding? Nicola Jokic. He was battling.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Guest Analyst]

Hey, that's crazy.

[Joe]

Getting up on them.

[Ocho]

You can. You. And the thing is, unselfish player, he does all the dirty work. He gonna take the charges. You see him come from behind, block a couple of shots. He's not afraid of the moment the corner 3. Knock those down because remember, Joe left the game 4. Lakers raced out to that lead. They brought him in. He hit 3. 3 in the first quarter.

[Joe]

Yeah, but to put.

[Ocho]

To put a. To pull him up.

[Joe]

The problem with Thunder got, though. I like how he fights Wimby, but once Wemby starts low and they said they cross pick for him to come up, it's like hell, once I. Once he get two feet in the pain if I throw it by the rim, ain't nothing Caruso can do for that at all.

[Ocho]

Ain't nothing nobody can do. Hell, you see him doing. He did Hardenstein. He did a chess. He did that. Ain't nothing nobody can do.

[Joe]

That's what I'm saying. You got to try to find a way to keep that boy out the paint, man. Hey, no.

[Ocho]

In fact, it's hard, Joe, because the thing is, is that he'll start and then guess what? He'll spin back to the rim and they throw it.

[Joe]

It's a rap.

[Ocho]

They put it up in limpy dunk.

[Joe]

It's a rap.

[Ocho]

So I got, you know, I. I want to beat him to the point, but if I get too aggressive, he gonna spin off me.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, so I was. I was like, well, damn, I would. Damn, if I do. I would do. I mean, how. How do. How do. How do I defend, Coach? What you want me to do? I know once he catches it.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, I'm in ish for shape.

[Joe]

You're gonna have to.

[Ocho]

But if I try to intercept him at the point, all he's gonna do is hit me. Yeah, spin. Now what am I gonna do?

[Guest Analyst]

You better hope you got some help coming.

[Ocho]

They got the floor spaced in order. Can't get no help.

[Joe]

OKC has to limit the guys around him. No way around it. I mean for. For them to advance and get out this series. You can't let these guys get in double figures. The champions, the vassals, the Facil's. I think Harper gonna get his head. He aggressive. He. He went 8 for 20. I like it too. I'm talking seven steals. Did you see that? Yeah, that man had seven steals, bro. Six assists, 11 boys, 24 points. I love everything about it.

[Ocho]

Only had it.

[Joe]

Only had one turn and one turn. I love everything about his game, bro. Hey, hey. It looks like he's really enjoying the moment too, you know, just competing, playing against some of the best guard. Look, he just competed against Ant man. Now against Shay. Like I. He holding his own out there.

[Ocho]

The thing that what makes them so good against the Thunder, they got three guys that can fan at an elite level too. Yeah, you got Vassell, you got Castle. Champagne can defend Harper. Everyone. He. He will buckle down. The only guy that. That's really. You know, Kelvin Johnson is not a defender. He's battle. But he's an offense. You see how he come in and get quick points?

[Joe]

Yeah, quick.

[Ocho]

He. He ain't effing around. He getting right to it. He getting right to the action. Yeah, he makes it and that's what you have to. But like you said, Joe, when you got. When you got Wimby, Wimby's gonna open everything up because so many eyes on him. But you can't help because now when you get help. He's a willing passer.

[Joe]

He is.

[Ocho]

And guys are wide open in the corner.

[Joe]

And your star players in basketball, man, that's what you enjoy most. I know that's what I enjoy most about watching your star guys. I don't like guys who sit there and exhaust all they damn options first and then throw you a grenade with 3, 4 seconds on the damn clock. Now you gotta jump.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. Now you want me to make some chicken salad. And you already you ain't bring me no.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. Now I gotta go into my bag and pull stuff, you know, I mean like, damn, that. Come on, man. Wimby, he play like that, man. He plays the right way and he understands the attention that he brings. So he's always looking cross court to that corner pass to get Vassal and championing these guys wide open shots. I just think he Kind of. I think, you know, for a guy who's 22 years old, he really understands the game and how it should be played from a team's perspective in order to be successful. Meaning he knows he has to keep these other guys involved. Hell, just for the game to open up and be a little easier for himself. And you don't always get that bro from a 22 year old. Cause what everybody out here trying to score 50. I think he just naturally within the floor of the game, he's gonna score points. Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

You know, sometimes they say the now crocodile, they can go a whole year without eating. He don't get up and chase no food. He sit right there. Now, I know y' all want that green.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And I know the great migration will happen. I'll be right here when you come back next year. I ain't going away. And to get. And to get, you know, seven, eight meters, I'm assuming probably. Probably about seven meters. Some six and a half, seven meters, wearing all weighing almost a ton. So, yeah, I'm good, y'. All. Hey, now you're like, damn, they know what's in that water. But they got a lord, they got

[Guest Analyst]

to take that chance.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

That the grass?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Ain't no grass back there where we came from. That's why we came this way. And he know that. Like, hey, hey. The only way. Come on.

[Guest Analyst]

So.

[Ocho]

And that's. And that's Wimby's. Hey, come on in here. Y' all know y' all gotta come that basket. Look at it's right there.

[Joe]

Hey,

[Ocho]

you know, Wimby women be squatting, shot, you know, like. Like a little kid playing his dad. And he put it up there.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

That's exactly.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's what it looked like.

[Ocho]

Seriously, like, yeah. Hey, hey.

[Joe]

I look at the shots that guys work on in the summer here. Some of the stuff I even do in the summer, man, they don't work on Wimby, bro. Them long. Them long hooks off the glass. He come to get all that. You know what I mean, boy. Hey, you better get in that paint. You better be looking for the next man to pass the ball to. Yeah, that man ain't playing. You ain't getting nothing free down there when he down there, boy.

[Ocho]

Oh, and now superhuman Shaq, I keep

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[Ocho]

and that's the, and that's the thing though Joe, is because you say things that you work on. How do I work on shooting the shot 13ft high? So, so, so what you do, you say you know what? Hey Joe, what you going to do? Hey, yeah, today I'm just working on catching a third shooting on 30 foot shots. Or I'm working on the junior Scott hook. Magic Johnson and a junior Scott hook. That Magic throw, he throwing that out of him. Your best chance is the Kareem sky hook because Kareem had the shoulder onto you and he was throwing it back here. But if you throw Magics. Oh yeah, he throwing that about it.

[Joe]

Yeah. And he's special bro.

[Ocho]

Wendy said after the game he was for sure motivated by SGA MVP over him. Stephen Castle on Wimby best player in the effing world.

[Guest Analyst]

I mean you, you, you, you really can't argue it. You can't argue. But actually you can argue depending on who you ask. You know it's all about, it's all about perspective. You talk about, you talk about the best play in the world when he comes up sga. Some people will, but some people probably will throw yogurts in there. And, and outside of that, that's about where the goddamn buck stop. And that's where the book gonna stop for the next five, five, six, seven years. Now

[Ocho]

you know when, when Giannis is healthy, you know Yan is giving you 30 and 13.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

And he plays defense now he's not the defender that he once was. But the, but, but, but, but Wemby cause he can do so much. He could. Giannis ain't that still ain't developed no shot. He don't really have no pole. All y' all is trying to do down here. He's trying to get down here. He's trying to sneak through cracks.

[Guest Analyst]

Hey, hey, he didn't develop a little midi. A little. A little midi. A little bit.

[Ocho]

A little bit.

[Joe]

I mean, he'll, he'll. Hey, hey, hey. Like on Harlem Night, stop shooting that little. He'll, he'll, he'll shoot it at night. He'll shoot that little minute now and then. Oh, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

[Ocho]

But if he get. The thing is, Joe, if he gets hot, he'll have confidence to keep shooting it. But for the most part, he coming

[Guest Analyst]

down here like a train.

[Ocho]

I understand. Like, yo, the way you can drive the ball. Just imagine if you develop the three or you develop the midi, right? He'd be unguarded.

[Joe]

Hey, look, that's why Wendy's so unguardable. Look at that damn 35 footer he shot to tie the game, bro. Hey, I'm talking about. They were plenty of time on the clock. I'm like, hold on.

[Ocho]

What?

[Joe]

He.

[Ocho]

Yeah, told you. Probably holler. No, son. No. Good shot, good shots.

[Guest Analyst]

Hey, hey, you know, playoffs. Hey, listen, I don't have much experience in the playoffs, but you have experience, Joe. I'm sure you have experience as well. And it's all about moments. A young boy. To be that young. Yes, young boy. To be that young in that moment, to take that shot from that far out boy. Cohones boy, hey. Ice in his veins.

[Joe]

Well, listen, we only got. It's only four teams left playing, you know, so it's gonna be all eyes on you. Each game that you play. You're gonna be the only game that night.

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And to be able to show up in this fashion on the road without one of your top guys in Fox, who's averaging 18, 19 points in this playoffs, man, this young spurs team, bro, they, hey, they got something special on their hands, fellas. They got something special on their hands. Come on, bro.

[Guest Analyst]

Damn, Joe.

[Ocho]

Like, I'm.

[Guest Analyst]

Help me understand y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Guest Analyst]

I'm just. I'm just listening. Y'.

[Joe]

All, they still young, Ojo. They still young.

[Guest Analyst]

Now I. I understand. So I'm saying, is that. Why did you just pick the Thunder to win based on what they did last year? Is that why y'?

[Sophia Donner]

All.

[Guest Analyst]

I'm just. I'm just trying to get about. Because listen, I'm listening to y' all talk about Wimby and. And glowing regards on how special he is.

[Joe]

He Is he is okay.

[Guest Analyst]

And for some reason y' all still pick the Thunder to win the goddamn series.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I think I look. Oh, Joy. It ain't over. We'll see Wednesday night. We'll have another conversation Wednesday night about the Thunder Spurs. Dylan harper in Game 1. 24 points, 11 rebounds, 6 assists, 7 steals, most by rookie in a conference final game. The first player since Larry bird with a 20105 and 5 conference final game. Harper is a rookie. Bird was in his second year. Bird was probably 24, 25. Because you got to realize Bird originally went to Indiana. So you know, you get to go to India. Excuse me. Yeah, Indiana. Transferred to Indiana State. You know, when you transfer, you got to sit out. So Bird was probably. This kid is 19, man.

[Joe]

Listen, if Harper would have been on another team to where he could just do what the hell he want and, and they featured him in the offense for real, right. He would have been up for rookie of the year period, point blank. He, he, he got too much in his game, but he went into probably, if you're a rookie, he probably went into the best situation you can go to, you know?

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

I'm saying from a standpoint that he has so much game, bro. He can blend right in and he can be pedestrian at times. And when you need him to be great, he can be great. Hey, do you remember when Fox. The last time Fox missed the game in that Portland series, it's two guys, Harper and Castle. Both of them had 30, you know what I mean? I think it was game three or game four. But hey, he's capable, man. He showed great moments throughout this post season, bro. Like he ain't scared of the moment. He's embracing it. And he going at his man, bro. Hey, hey. I like, I love his energy, how he play. He play with it.

[Ocho]

He play.

[Joe]

He seemed like a quiet kid, but he real demonstrative at the same time. Like he letting you know he there.

[Ocho]

You know what I like, Joe, is that he went to San Antonio because they're going to develop him. Because sometimes you can go to a situation, you develop bad habits.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

In a situation, hey, think about name the player that went to Sense, that went to San Antonio, that had bad habits. Look at Duncan, look at Parker, look at Ginobili, look at Kawhi, look at Wimby, look at Castle, look at Harper. The track record is there the same guy. RC Buford captain him? For the most part,

[Joe]

yeah. Coached him.

[Ocho]

Cause remember, Pop got sick. Well, Pop got sick.

[Joe]

Yeah. I think they hip in the front office. Now.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. So the, the, the, the, the blueprint, the foundation has been laid. Because a lot of times Joe, you draft the guy that high, what's the inclination? Throw him in there, let him feel for himself. We took him to high for a reason. You gotta learn. No, that's not what the spurs do. The spurs, what puts you in a situation, they got a situation. You flourish in that situation. Yeah, especially because you know, Duncan was a senior. Duncan, Duncan was a grown ass man. When he come back, you talking, you being a kid with 19, 20 year olds, they're not as mature as Duncan. So they take time and pop in this organization understands for the long run we got to do what's in the best interest of the team. Because it's going to, at the end of the day, it's going to be team that win championships.

[Joe]

It is, bro. Hey, they, they, they on the right trajectory, you know, when it comes to, you know, setting the foundation. And you're right, you know, going into this spurs organization, they, they, they teach you how to play the game the right way. And I think we're having those legends around like Manu and, and Tony park and Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Sean Elliot. Having those guys around to pour into these guys and show them, show them the spurs weight and, and the culture of the Spurs. I mean hell, obviously you got to get talent now. Now they, hey, it's, it's like, it's like talking about Phil Jackson. But here he play. He had, he had the best damn players too. Like triangle was.

[Ocho]

You can make a case he had, he had four top 10 players. I don't know another coach that coached four top 10 players in the history of basketball.

[Joe]

The triangle was great. But damn it, if you ain't got Jordan, the Kobe in the hell, it might not be as great. You know what I'm saying?

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, it is great.

[Joe]

Yeah. So what I'm saying is as great as a organization at the spurs is, hell, they got Wimy, you got Harper, Castle, Fox. Like you got some talent. You got premier talent over there to, to, to big.

[Ocho]

See, I think the thing is, Joe. You know what it is, Joe? When people look at certain players and they say, well he ain't this, he ain't that, they don't need this or that system. That's what oo we try to tell people about the Patriots. Well, Julian Elman ain't this guy, he ain't Julio, he ain't Randy Moss, Wes Worker's not this and Dion Branch ain't that. And Amendola not This, right. I don't need that. You got to be unselfish to play in that system. Because the first time you make a. A issue about your catches, about your yards, they getting your ass up out of there.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

The first time you talk about, hey, I need a raise, they finna raise your ass up out of there. Tom Brady makes everything go. But you need guys like Amendola, like those guys that work hard, and it's like, hey, I'm just. Those guys look at, like, I'm happy

[Joe]

to have a job.

[Ocho]

Whether they catch one pass or they could, there'll be sometimes, you know, Amendola. Edelman might have three passes. Next game, Edelman come back, he got 13 passes. So you don't know. Week to week, it's not. They're not like, number ones. Number one, you got to feed him. You got to give himself eight, nine targets a game, or he gonna be on there. You gonna walk by stepping on lips. Damn, son, pick your lips up. I almost trip. Yeah, yeah. There. And with San Antonio, those guys fit. The pieces gotta fit. Sometimes the pieces just need to fit.

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Ocho]

They fit perfectly. Same thing with okc. Guys understand their role. I who the best player.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

That's how it work. Now, you might think, man, man, if I had this opportunity, if I bet, hey, I can do this. Maybe deep down to himself, Scotty maybe believe that he was on the level with Jordan. He never verbalized that. And he's like, okay, I'm cool. I'm gonna do this. Let me get my little 6, 7 assist. Let me get my 4, 5, 6, 7 rebounds. Let me play hella d. I'm cool. But it wasn't until, Hell, I didn't know he thought that he was as good as Mike until the last dance came out. Fact, it come to think, hell, everybody thought they were damn near good.

[Joe]

Hey, they. Everybody taking shots at mj. But you right, spurs got a. They. They got a hell of a team. I. I think kudos to Coach Johnson over there, who's took over from Pop.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he got to get some credit.

[Joe]

Yeah, he got to get some credit because, you know, it's one thing to have talent, but it's another thing when those guys vouch for you. And how they vouch for you is, you know, by going out there competing their ass off.

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know what I mean? And I. I think these guys have shown over and over that they bought into the system that Coach Johnson has over there for sure. And you can tell, bro, they. They run it to the T. They enjoy playing with one another. Hey, the hell they hold them. Starting lineup played over 45 minutes a night.

[Ocho]

Hell, yeah. I mean, you. You think I mean, Harrison Barnes played six minutes. They said, nah, you minus nine in the little six minutes you played. Now we got. You got to get up out of here. Kelly Johnson played 22 bidder. He plus three. Carter Bryant came in. He only took two shots, but he had a big three. He was 10. Luke Cornette. They like Luke. We a. You know, I don't know if y' all remember the wrestling. They had two guys called cheap hurlers. I see Luke.

[Joe]

Luke, you got. He was real. He was real pedestrian tonight, wasn't he? He wasn't that. He wasn't that. Damn, Luke Cornet y' all been holler about, man.

[Ocho]

How did. Hold on. Who's that? How did they call a foul on. On Hardenstein when he blocked that man shot the elbow to dead in his face.

[Joe]

Hey, come on.

[Ocho]

That Joe. Come on, now. You know damn well if somebody would hit Shay like that. They might. Hey, let's go to the review. Let's leave that one.

[Joe]

Hey, listen, the ref ain't gonna see everything now. Damn, he. Look, every play, he got to deal with somebody doing this. Every damn play they want a damn review. Damn, man, let's play ball, bro.

[Ocho]

Hey, he said, hey, y', all, what if you tell your coach to call the time, I go review it. But we don't review it.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Unless we deem something egregious.

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