BEST of UNC CRASHING OUT on Guest Part 1: Unc CHECKS Jim Jones on DISRESPECTING NAS, Lifting Weights, ROASTING Claressa Shields for thinking she could BEAT Rolly Romero

Summary

Nightcap Podcast: BEST of UNC CRASHING OUT on Guest Part 1

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson
Guests: Jim Jones, Claressa Shields
Date: July 26, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap brings high energy, candid clashes, and plenty of laughs as Shannon “Unc” Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson sit down with hip hop icon Jim Jones and undisputed boxing champion Claressa Shields. The discussion fires through authenticity in the rap game, generational riffs in hip hop, guest Jim Jones’ controversial Nas comments, bravado-filled fitness smack talk, and a lively, gender-defying boxing debate with Shields. The crew doesn’t hold back—this is unfiltered sports and culture talk at its loudest and funniest.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Evolving in Hip Hop & Reinvention

[04:13–09:19]

• Jim Jones reflects on his longevity in music, evolving with the digital era, and embracing both old school discipline and new school hustle.
  • “The industry has changed tremendously from when I started, there wasn't no social media for, for one... but I've learned a lot from how these kids work now.” — Jim Jones [04:33]
• He credits staying in the gym and a willingness to learn as keys to his sustained relevance.
• Discussion about artists being criticized for both changing and not changing their style, with Shannon invoking Beyoncé’s bold genre shifts:
  • “It takes some hustle, it takes some guts, Jim, to do that.” — Shannon [06:54]

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2. Competitive Nature of Rap & Diss Culture

[09:19–13:26]

• The panel dives into the competitive roots of hip hop, referencing current and classic diss battles (Kendrick vs. Drake; Tupac).
  • “Rap is built on that. Competitive sport... your idols become your rivals.” — Jim Jones [12:08]
• Jim insists he has no active beefs, explaining much of his public sparring is about showmanship and competition, not animosity.

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3. Jim Jones’ Nas Comments: Unc Checks Jim

[18:34–25:55]

• Shannon Sharpe ("Unc") directly challenges Jim’s previous claims about being more influential than Nas, sparking a passionate, sometimes playful, sometimes heated back and forth that turns into a semi-roast.
  • “Were you smoking when you said you better than Nas?” — Shannon [18:39]
  • Jim doubles down: “I'm way more influential than Nas. And I don't care what nobody say.” [18:42]
  • “You got a bunch of 40 and 50 year olds in their panties because I said I'm better than Nas!” — Jim [20:29]
  • Shannon pushes back: “You can't...I don't know who told you that. Now, look, I know you're on that good stuff. Let's be real.” [20:18]
• The argument evolves into sports analogies (Allen Iverson shaking up Michael Jordan; mentality of self-belief in sports and rap).
  • Ochocinco: “That mentality, isn't that how you supposed to feel?” [21:38]
• Jim repeatedly throws down the gauntlet, challenging Nas and others from his era to meet him in the studio, claiming he would out-rap anyone right now:
  • “I will run circles around Nas rapping, right here, right now.” — Jim [22:11]
  • “Anybody want to work out, tell them, come to the field.” — Jim [24:52]

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4. Rap, Fitness, & Trash Talk Escalates

[25:55–32:30]

• The hosts and Jim devolve into full-on gym talk smack—debating strength, bodyweight exercises, and who could outlast whom in workouts.
  • “I burn you...if you talk about working out, I'll burn you.” — Jim [27:01]
  • Shannon: “What I look like going up against £195 pound man in the gym? That's wasting my time.” [31:22]
  • “Where I'm from, a challenge is a challenge. We fight all bullies where I'm from.” — Jim [31:36]
• The trash talk is playful, but gets heated and competitive, with Ochocinco egging them on to set up a live Nightcap-versus-style challenge.

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5. Jim Jones: Beyond Music

[36:32–39:26]

• Discussion shifts as Jim Jones talks about his upcoming movie ("Coming Out at the Church Steps"), recent business ventures, and his drive to give back to the community.
  • “Music is just probably the smallest fraction of my life, even though it fuels a lot of things... but I'm a great businessman and philanthropist. My biggest attribute is giving back.” — Jim [37:05]
• He credits seeing older hustlers and family give back as inspiration.

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6. Claressa Shields Joins: Skills, Gender, & Boxing Debate

[48:07–74:38]

• Claressa Shields joins to address the viral soundbite where she claimed she could outbox Rolly Romero, a three-division male boxing champion.
  • Shields stands firm: she’s not claiming she’d knock him out, but she could outbox him in a gym setting due to her skills and experience sparring men.
    • “First of all, I know I can beat up Rolly. He knows that... just because somebody is stronger don’t mean they can win in no fight. That’s not how boxing works.” — Shields [51:20]
  • Shannon and Ocho express skepticism, emphasizing the difference between sparring and pro-level fighting (and male vs. female physiology).
    • “You said you could beat Rollie in a fight. Not sparring.” — Shannon [62:54]
    • “Even at 1:55, 165, his body still produces more testosterone as yours his.” — Shannon [64:12]
  • Shields passionately explains the pride, skill, and mentality required to be the best, insisting gender is less relevant at the elite level.

Notable Quotes & Lively Moments

• “You gotta watch your ass too. Yeah, you got to be goddamn cautious. But I think the fact that you even believe it, whether we think you can win or not, this is why you are the best at what you do.” — Ochocinco [68:23]
• Shields and Ocho playfully agree to spar, with running commentary from Shannon.
  • “You know what they called me in the gym? Hella Hands. Feels like you're fighting two people.” — Ocho [83:01]
  • Shields: “No, if you sure you want to get in the ring with me.” [83:20]
• Shields on challenges from MMA champ Cris Cyborg:
  • “She came out box to save her life... She’s a fan. But now she want to be a hater... She’s a clout chaser.” — Shields [84:31–85:54]

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Timestamped Highlights

• [04:33] Jim Jones on evolution and reinventing himself in hip-hop
• [09:19] Rap’s competitive culture; calling out other artists
• [18:39] Shannon confronts Jim on the Nas claim (“Were you smoking when you said you better than Nas?”)
• [22:11; 22:41] Jim’s challenge to Nas (“I will run circles around Nas rapping right here, right now”)
• [24:52; 25:13] Jim invites any rapper from his era to “meet me in the booth” or gym
• [27:01] Fitness smack talk—Jim vs. Unc
• [37:05] Jim details pride in philanthropy and business outside music
• [51:20] Claressa Shields defends her challenge to Rolly Romero
• [62:54] The debate on sparring vs. real fight; Shields’ self-belief
• [68:23] Ochocinco on belief and greatness in boxing
• [83:01] Ocho brags his gym nickname is “hella hands”
• [84:31-85:54] Shields roasts Cris Cyborg and details their would-be matchup

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Tone, Style, & Closing

The episode is classic Nightcap: brash, authentic, competitive, and hilarious, with constant challenges thrown left and right—whether about music, physical fitness, or bragging rights in the ring. Both Jim Jones and Claressa Shields defend their reputations passionately while engaging in candid, sometimes provocative, sometimes tongue-in-cheek exchanges with Shannon and Ocho. Underneath all the roasting and chest-thumping, there’s clear mutual respect among these champions, all of whom have made their mark in ultra-competitive sports and entertainment worlds.

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For New Listeners

If you missed this episode, expect fireworks:

• Jim Jones going toe-to-toe with Shannon on rap GOATs
• Playful but intense gym trash talk
• Claressa Shields holding her ground and schooling the hosts on what it means to be great—regardless of gender
• High-level sports and music culture insight, mixed with comedy and real talk

Essential listening if you want to see sports, music, and ego collide, Nightcap style!

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[C]

How you feeling, my brother?

[A]

You good?

[C]

Yeah, I'm good, man. Life is good. God is good. I can't complain.

[A]

Yeah. So talk to us a little about this music thing. You've been in this thing for a minute now. So talk about Jim Jones of 20 Years Ago. Jim Jones today. Have you noticed anything different in the music industry? Have you noticed, have you tried to do anything different with your sound to keep up with the way the industry is headed?

[C]

Oh yeah, the industry. The industry has changed tremendously from from when I started, there wasn't no social media for, for one, yeah, when I started in 2003 with my first first deal and even before that when Cam started with his deal. So these kids got a bit of advantage when it comes to marketing the promo that we didn't have. They had access to a lot of information that we didn't have. A lot of people say it's. It works against us, but I think it works for us in, in watching the way that these kids work in in the present day and things like that. I've learned a lot for them from how they carry their music, from how they sell their music to. From how they market and promote their music. Us as being here for so long, we seem. We tend to get caught up in our dinosaur ways from yesterday, how they carry artists, but that's not the way they carry artists today. So there are platinum artists that have their nose up because they're big platinum artists, but that don't count in today's society. They don't carry it the same way. So what I've chose to do is always chose to try to reinvent myself, but not to the point where I'm chasing, but there's a medium that I reach because I always want to teach these kids, but I always want to learn something also. So, you know that and, and, and, and we're reinventing yourself. You got to be willing to be disciplined, to know what direction you want to go in when it comes to reinventing yourself. You know, I mean, one of the things I credit do is the gym. The gym is one of the biggest attributes to me being able to sustain this long in the game. Sustainability is, is a. Jim, let me ask you this.

[A]

And, and I hear this a lot in, A lot especially in, in music and in television and entertainment. Actress, actresses is like, man, every record that he put out, it sounds the same. Okay. He does something different. Man, he don't sound like the old guy. He don't sound like he used to. Okay. An actress, they try. Actor. Actors, they try to do a different role than what we're used to seeing. Man, I like when he did that. I don't like. I don't like this new. So you want the guy to change. You want the individual to change and give you something different. And when they give you something different, you say they don't sound the same and you don't like it. So how does someone win? Now, the person that, that I have the utmost respect for and what she's been able to do is Beyonce. Beyonce is as big as you can get in one genre. And she says, you know what? I'mma go over here and I'm going do this. I mean, it takes some hustle, it takes some guts, Jim, to do that.

[C]

I mean, she like Michael Jordan when Michael Jordan left the NBA. He went to the. To the nbl, the major league and mlb.

[A]

Try to play baseball.

[C]

He had to have a lot of guts, you know what I mean? Like, same with like Dionneon Dion when he was playing football and playing baseball and being successful at the same time in both. In both of them sports, I mean, and that takes a lot of heart. I don't haven't seen anybody else do that successfully the way that Beyonce has, has done it. So I tip my hat to the barriers that she continue to break inside of this music industry.

[B]

Yeah. Hey, Jimmy, what you think right now about the state of. The state of hip hop where. Where it is right now? How do you feel about it? Especially with. With the young dudes, with the sound now? Obviously, I think when it comes to. To rap in general, hip hop in general, I think the sound changes every 10 years. How, what do you. How do you feel about this era of. Of hip hop right now that we're in? Do you like it? Have you embraced it?

[C]

What I mean, my. In my opinion, it doesn't matter because I had my time where we were dictating the sound of music and we had a ball and there were older people that was hating on the time that we had and things like that. I encourage these youngsters to be as creative as they can. As long as it's connecting with the. The crowd and people are singing your. And they going to your. To your shows, then who am I to say I don't like that music when they out here spanking, you know what I mean? You did like. So it's like you gotta find. You gotta stay true to yourself, but find your rhythm in the mixture. What's going on as you're gonna be lost in the sauce. So you're gonna be looking like an old dude or you're gonna be looking like it has been. You understand? I'm not into that. My energy ain't for that. You heard? If I'm gonna be a contender in this game, I'm gonna play at the top. At the top of my ability to play, you know, I mean, I'm not gonna take no shortcuts enough. And I'm in. And I'm in it. I mean, I gotta contend with the younger boys. I gotta contend with older boys. So that means I gotta come through stepping. They only respect balance and not to say violence, but you know what I mean? Like, they got. While I'm in the game, I' ma show them that, like, people don't get it twisted. Like, I'm I'm a man of many, many different things. Like, my rapper hat is one. Is one hat that I wear, right? But if I'm rapping and I'm in it, I'm in it. What's up? I'm going against all odds and what I gotta do to maintain be a contender in this game to keep feeding my family and making the money that I make off this, you know? I mean, I think people get that twisted when they see me talking and popping my shit and shit like that. That's just one character that I gotta put out there for y' all to eat up, you know what I mean? But,

[B]

matter of fact, hold on. I got you. I'm actually, I'm. Let's go. I just, I'm. I saw some, I saw some comments. I saw a clip about, you know, you and Push. I'm not sure if you and Push, you know, got any type of beef or whatever. I just saw something about you. You talk about the ace trumpet.

[A]

You.

[B]

You didn't like. You didn't like the album, you didn't like the song. You know, Woody raps about is not.

[C]

I don't got no beef with. I don't got no beef with nobody.

[B]

Okay, okay, okay. I'm just asking.

[C]

Half of it. Half of it is my opinion. Half of it is me bending the AL algorithm happening is feeding into people's simplicity because the social media is for that. You know what I mean? And like I said, I'm a rapper in this game. It comes with the territory. You got to be very competitive. It's a very competitive sport. And you better have some thick skin. I ain't saying that I want to hurt nobody or do nothing to nobody. Everything I've been talking about been strictly about the auto world when it comes to the music nowadays. Now, maybe 10 years ago, 15 years ago, it would have been a different outcome of when I was. You know what I mean? I'm not on that. And I think a lot of that gets twisted and with the Jim Jones of today and things like that, I ain't got no problems with nobody. Ain't got no. I ain't got no option or nothing. And, you know, as parts of me that I've been working on every day. So tell. Sometimes I, I, I talk way too fast than I should, you heard? But it's part of the game. I don't care, you dig? I hate it. I love it. I'm gonna turn it into, into a victory for me.

[E]

So.

[B]

Yes, sir.

[A]

Check this out, Jim. It seems to Me since this past summer. What passed last summer when Kendrick had that diss? It seems like now people are just like, yo, hey, we saw the success that Kendrick had got five Grammys, he hosted, you know, halftime show, the super bowl, blah, blah, blah. We see a lot more dissing going on. Is that what we. Is that where we're headed now, Danny?

[C]

Where you been at? You don't remember Tupac? You seen the success that Tupac had?

[A]

Yeah, look, you see the success.

[C]

What about Kumo?

[A]

What about Kuvo? Did ll.

[C]

This is a competitive sport. The rap is built on that. So Kendrick and Drake having what they have was no surprise through the rap industry. I mean, people look at it as something, but this is what the art of rap is about. It's a very competitive sport, and you gotta be ready to be on top of your game when it comes to that. So if you put something out, you gotta be ready for the same energy to come back at you. That's what rap is about. Some people don't go down that lane. Some people go around that lane. People go right through it. I'm one of the people that go right through a win, lose a draw. I keep the same face.

[A]

Hold on, hold on. Jim, Jim, bro, I'm not looking for you to come at me. I put you on. Remember? I used to have you on my. I used to have. I used to. Used to tour with me, used to open up with me, bro. You know, you remember that, right? When they. When nobody was booking you, you remember that?

[C]

You heard this song. You heard this. You heard the saying, when rivals, I mean, idols become your rivals. That's what the rap game is about. Did Allen Iverson hesitate to shake Michael Jordan up when he got in the NBA? Yeah. Okay. Cause he was on another team. That might not stop the love he had for Mike. But while we on this battlefield, my team gotta win. And I'm willing to kill anybody that's in front of me for my team to win. And that was Allen Alice's attitude. You gotta understand what happens when you come into this game. Your idols become your rivals. There's no passes when we on the other team, we meet you at the party, we can laugh, pop champagne. But right now, while we on this field, while we on this court. Oh, I'm coming to scrape shit up now.

[A]

We can't pop no more champagne. You got people laughing at me. And guess what? They playing at the football games. They played at the basketball game. Not like us. Oh, no, we can't pop no champagne after that. Hey, As a matter of fact, I'mma close the club down. Hey, if he a. If he coming, I ain't coming.

[C]

I mean, but I just told you, that's what it is. It's competitive sport, man. You gotta. It got different levels to it and things like that, but that's what this was built on, you heard? So it's sad that it gotta go to such lamps when it comes to artists getting at each other when it comes to the music. But, yeah, which. What you project is what you're gonna get. So just have that same energy you put out there, because somebody coming right back at you with that same energy, sooner or later.

[A]

Well, let me ask you. Let me ask you one more question, don't y'.

[C]

All.

[A]

So are we gonna get some new music? Because we saw you and Cam kind of going back and forth as the Dipset coming back. Y' all gonna link up together and give us some new music, yes or no?

[C]

Right now, I'm worried about myself. Dipset is always Dipset. The birds still fly high. I've been having a bird on my back for the past 15 years when nobody was worried about you. Think so that's gonna go. But right now, I got to worry about me. I got to worry about my endeavors. I got to worry about my business. I got to worry about my family, you dig? I've done a lot for Diplomats, where it didn't give me nothing at the time. But right now, where I'm at in my life, what. What works for me, and what I'm worried about is myself. I can't tell you what the future may hold or what the future may bring. I'm not taking nothing off the table. You did. But right now, it's about Jim Jones and, yeah, I am a diplomat. Owner.

[A]

Bet. Go ahead, Ocho.

[B]

I like that. Listen, I. You took the question I was finna ask, and I think. I think. You know what? History repeats itself, Jimmy. History always repeats itself. And most of the time, when history repeats itself, it comes back even bigger and better. I think Diplomats is going to have. They're going to have reunion. I think y' all boys going to reunite. And despite your differences, despite whatever situations y' all might have, you know, all that can be fixed behind closed doors. That ain't nothing but a conversation that just got to be had, especially making that money.

[C]

Or a check. Yeah, a nice check always calms things down, you heard?

[A]

Always kind of stupid, man.

[C]

You heard? But I understand, man. But right now, where I'm at, until that happens, until some business get put on the table was advantageous for all sides. Right now, I got to worry about what capo was doing, and it's been working for me that way, you know? I mean, I've been staying out of everybody's way a little bit, you know? I mean, trying to. Every day. Every day I work on me. Every day I get better and things like that. You think I'm. I'm unapologetic, you dig? And I don't have no regrets, you know, me. But I do. I do work on myself every day, you know? I mean, I'm not a perfect man, you dig? But I'm the perfect example of what could happen if you stay down. So you come up, and that's what I did plenty of times.

[A]

I got you, like, look, you one of the OGs. Rap. I mean, hip hop is 50 years of age. You've been in this thing two decades.

[C]

I ain't 50. I'm 48.

[A]

I said hip hop is 50.

[C]

I thought you were shooting it at me. My bad.

[A]

Nah, nah, nah. Hip hop is 50. But you've been in this thing for two decades, right?

[C]

I've been in this thing, so, yes, a little bit more than that. Since 1997. Cameron got his first deal, so I'm like, 28 years into two.

[A]

Okay, so almost three decades.

[C]

Yeah, 100. I've been signed my first deals two decades ago.

[A]

How do you determine who you. How do you determine who you work with now? When you want to work with the young artists? How do you go about that? How do you feel like? Man, I kind of like him. I think we can make some beautiful music together.

[C]

I mean, I hold no prejudice. I'm looking for great music, and I'm looking for great aesthetic. Music isn't everything in today's world when it comes to music. If you got a lifestyle that you can sell, these kids could buy into, then that's just as good as having a great hit song and things like that. And that's how it worked for me. So there's a combination of things that I look forward to. Work with the artists, do business with the artist. But as far as doing music with the artists and things like that, obviously I'm a lover of music. So if I hear a record that I. And I think is dope, and I think the artist is dope, I'll reach out to him.

[A]

How do you stay motivated, y'? All? We lost him. Yeah, I think we lost it.

[B]

Oh, damn.

[C]

That was.

[A]

That was good.

[B]

I was enjoying that, bro. Hey, I'm Thinking. I'm thinking, I'm thinking about, I'm thinking about rapping, man. Shoot, man. What you think?

[A]

What you gonna rap about now, Ocho?

[B]

Who, me?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Hey, I mean, I'm just saying I'm a rap about things that, that I've experienced in life, you know, that that's, that's the best thing to rap about it. That's what most rappers, they, they rap about the things that they've experienced, you know, the ups, the downs, the goods, the bads, you know, the W's, the L's. I, I, I think I could put it together.

[A]

You think so?

[B]

Oh, there we go. Are you back?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

You look like a French painter with a little bit of biggie from Brooklyn with that on. You heard?

[E]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Hey, I just came, I just came from the south of France. I was down there for six days, so I just got back yesterday.

[C]

Oh, that's the vibe.

[A]

You still spilling.

[B]

I'm still on my, on my suave, my swat to know.

[C]

Yeah, you still spilling that. I get it, I get it.

[A]

I get it. At, at this juncture of the game, what keeps you motivated? What gets Jim, makes Jim jump out of bed, press down hard as he can and press go. What, what keeps you going?

[C]

I will say the money. But I've been making money for a long time, and opportunity to take care of my family. I've been doing that for a long time. At this point, I've been doing a lot. So I've been, My mission is been to give back more than I took, but I was able to take a lot and I'm still taking. So that's where I'm at in life right now. You know what I mean? The more I bless people, the more I get blessed. And it's just a testament of hard work and being resilient and being real with yourself. I mean.

[A]

Can I ask you a question, Jim? You smoke, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Were you smoking when you said you better than Nas?

[C]

I might have been a little bit. Well, as far as, let's get this right, I'm way more influential than Nas. And I don't care what nobody say. I know I made it. I know I made a little boo boo. When we talk about the sales and all this type of shit, I don't feel like getting into that rhetoric about where I started and where he said that. But listen, Nas was nice when I was in high school. When I was in 10th grade, Nas came out. Nas was dope. We appreciated him. He had a little bit run, but Nas always came up second to Jay and DMX and all these other people. Like, he never had. He never had that type of influence on us except for his first album, I already told you. I used to want to dress like Nas because he had a lot of fresh clothes that the hustlers used to wear. And. And we used to see him on tv and he had one of the illest albums of all time. And then in high school when he had the barbecue and like that. So I'm a real fan of Nas, but he kind of lost me after Bell, the Movie Belly and like that. Like, I don't.

[A]

Man. Go ahead on with that, G. I'm

[C]

trying to tell you. I'm being honest. You want. You ask me, I'm being. I'm being a fan. I'm telling you, from the movie, Belly was fire. But after that, he kind of lost me, I don't think. I think we was way too much into the game. Remember how this goes? That's not.

[A]

You ever heard of a Kofi List?

[C]

Yeah. Yo, go back into your history and find out what happened between us and him, you dig? And I'm not trying to repeat history, but don't play with us when it comes to that, bro. We already went wild on them boys, you heard? We the ones that went well on them boys. And people out here acting like. I said, I'm gonna bring the Kufy list back. I just told you I'm gonna change, man. Stephan Law, can you dig?

[A]

I'm putting like this, bro. You've been in this thing. But lyrically, I'm gonna be. I'm gonna keep it a stack with you.

[C]

Look how you dress. You don't even be in the same places I'd be in. And the things that we.

[A]

I can be in the church house. You can't. You can't. I don't know who told you that. Now, look, I know you're on that good stuff. Let's be real.

[C]

You got a bunch of 40 and 50 year olds in their panties because I said I'm better than.

[A]

It don't matter. Look at you. Ain't nobody from dips ain't gonna take you over. Nobody from the Diplomats.

[C]

But you.

[A]

Want to go back.

[C]

Did I really mean it? I really mean it. Started. We could go back to your history, bro. Don't do that, bro.

[B]

I got a question.

[C]

I got a question. Stick up for itself and meet me in a booth or something if we want to do something historical.

[A]

He don't do that no more. Nah. So he don't do that because he

[C]

got a hundred million dollars. He's a very wealthy man. You heard He's a very smart businessman.

[B]

Hold on, hold on, Jimmy. Hold on. I got a question.

[A]

Hold on, hold on. Go ahead.

[B]

Hold on, hold on, Jim. Hold on, hold on. I got a question, Jimmy. And anything that you do right, I've heard you preach it all, all the time, right? When you was playing football, you.

[A]

Your first thing.

[B]

You always say, ain't nobody here better than me.

[C]

Ah, tell.

[B]

Tell them. You done told me that story a million times.

[C]

You think I'm gonna be second to anybody in this world?

[B]

Jimmy, stay with me real quick. Stay with me now. Stay with me now. But I'm just saying, that mentality, isn't that how you supposed to feel? Isn't that how you supposed to feel?

[A]

You know? So let me ask you a question. When you was on the field, you thought you was better than Tio and Moss?

[E]

Hell, yeah.

[B]

What you mean? I ain't gonna say it out loud.

[A]

You done came on here and say, I ain't better than Moss, I'm not better than Tio, I'm not better than Rice. You said that.

[B]

I'm not playing the game no more.

[A]

But you wasn't. You was playing. Jill, why you talking? You need to get with the locks, Jada. Them done cooking all at the verses.

[C]

I'm still playing, still playing. I'm still playing at a high level. I'm still playing. I'm rapping at a high level. You better check my stats, bro. I won. I will run circles around Nas rapping, right? I will run circles around Nas rapping right here, right now, Right now. Rapping. Everybody knows that. You heard?

[A]

He put it down. He said it down.

[C]

I will run laps around Nas rapping right now, bro.

[A]

Jim. Oh, you talking right now, But I'm talking about y' all and still in it.

[C]

I'm still in it. Okay?

[A]

Cam was smoking his boots.

[C]

I wasn't rapping when he was rapping, but Cam really got at him. You remember? I really mean it. We've been getting at them, boys, but this. Not about that right now. 20, 25. I'm in the game. Still rapping at a high capacity. If Nas wants to smoke, come in the booth. I will rap.

[A]

Smoke. He enjoying that 150 million, 200 million.

[C]

So then leave me alone while I'm on the field.

[A]

You were laughing with him. He wasn't bothering you.

[C]

I'm on the field. I'm picking on whoever. Whoever, whatever. I don't care. I'm on the field.

[A]

And guess who's the most important. They on the field. You need to call like Drake. You need to call like Kendrick. You need to call somebody that's still in it. He ain't in it.

[B]

Why

[C]

can't you get any my age? I wasn't. They in my era.

[A]

I ain't got.

[C]

That's not my error.

[A]

He retired. Have you ever heard of retirement?

[C]

Well, that's my error. So I'm calling all of them out. I don't care if you retired or not.

[A]

Deal with it.

[C]

If not, meet me in the booth.

[A]

Jack. Meet me in the booth.

[C]

And I'm just.

[A]

Let's get.

[C]

Let's just get. Let's get this right. I'm not mad. Is about the sportsmanship of the game. I'm a very aggressive person. That seems to get misconstrued when I'm talking my. I'm just talking my.

[A]

You're.

[C]

Let me talk my. Cause I am on the field. If anybody got a problem with that, they could meet me on the field. That is the booth. Anybody from that era? Anybody?

[A]

Hey, well, I got.

[C]

Anybody from that era. Anybody?

[A]

Well, you and Jada in the same era.

[C]

Anybody from that era. Don't try.

[A]

You ain't seeing Jada.

[C]

Stop that.

[A]

Stop that.

[C]

Anybody from that era? I'm not scared of nobody, man.

[A]

Pup. Hey, hey. You see you speeding right now.

[C]

Anybody from that era.

[A]

I gotta put the brake assist on you.

[C]

Daily in the daily. Anybody want to work out, tell them, come to the field.

[B]

See, we got. This is the perfect opportunity. You're not even paying attention. Your antennas ain't up right now. Listen. He said anybody from his era. Anybody. He in the field, right? We can have our own verses on that. Our own nightcap. Verses.

[A]

I got knob.

[C]

It's deeper than the verses. It's about who making music. Meet me in the booth. Put the record up. Give us a time to do the record by. Give us a subject. And let's see who won't smoke who on the booth.

[B]

Yeah, it is.

[C]

It's about the sportsmanship. It's about the craftsmanship, the numbers, the records you heard. Cause we both got records that could smash. We both got Meet me in the booth. All that old school. We'll play no records from 20 years ago. I am not nostalgic. It's 20, 25. Y' all want smoke? Meet me in the booth. Set it up. And we could do it for money, labels and pay for it. How y' all want to do it? We can make a spectacle out here. I got it.

[B]

I got it.

[C]

Let's go, sportsman. You heard?

[A]

I got Nas. I got God, Floyd.

[C]

Well, get him in the booth.

[A]

I got. I got Jada.

[C]

Listen to me. If you get anybody in the booth, I will pull up by myself.

[A]

Yeah. Why would you want to pull up with me? When you get on that mic, they can't help you. Start spitting. Who you gonna get to help you? Hey, unc.

[B]

You not seeing the vision, Unc.

[A]

I'm seeing the vision.

[C]

That's the opportunity you gotta start buying bag of your clothes. Big fellas too, big man.

[A]

You talk about you in the gym. Now you want to get me. You want to. Want me to see me in the gym?

[C]

Oh, we can do that.

[A]

You like to talk that ish. Now come see me in the gym.

[C]

We talking about working out. Working out? What are you talking about, working out or strength work?

[A]

However you want to do it. Since you got money and we talking about. Put your money where your mouth is.

[C]

You got. So you're talking about working out. You're talking about working out. I burn you. You talking about working out. A strength. Cause you probably. You're probably stronger than me.

[A]

Whatever.

[C]

But if you talk about working out. You talking about working out. I'll burn you.

[A]

This ain't what you do. This ain't what you want. You are doing good. When you're talking about you don't want to be there. Check the stat. You don't check my stack, you better

[C]

go to my ig.

[A]

Set it up, man, please.

[C]

Ultra set it up.

[A]

I'd be the. Hey, guys like, you

[C]

want to start on? What you want to start on? You want to put a trainer in between. Don't back out. Do not back down. Do not come to Atlanta tomorrow and

[A]

give you one, bro, you too small.

[C]

You talking a lot. What you want to do?

[A]

You. Hey, stick to what you do. You good on the mic. I won't take that away from you, but stay out.

[C]

Do you want to do it or not?

[B]

I want to compete, too.

[A]

What are we doing? Because start with Ocho, you can't get the COVID Let me tell you. Let me tell you one story.

[C]

Let me tell you one story. Let me tell you one story. I'm gonna tell you one story. How I met Antonio Brown. My son said, yo, you know Antonio Brown? Live up the block Because I live on the beach and like that. I'm like, who's that? He like, he showed me to my DM them. He like, oh, yeah, your son play football. Come get this workout. So I get on the beach, Cam Newton and like a few other NFL players ain't gonna say nobody name. He made two of them go home because I was. I finished the workout before they finished the workout, bro. Do not play with me. I'm a beast. Shannon, I will go crazy on you.

[A]

What do you want?

[C]

You want to work out or you

[A]

want to do strong? You heard.

[C]

Because obviously you can lift longer than me, but you can't work out with me, bro. I'm a beast.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You can't do one muscle up nothing. You can't do nothing with me, bro.

[A]

Dude, you weigh 150 pounds. You should do muscle up.

[C]

I wait. I weigh 195. I waited 195.

[A]

Hey, Jim, go to my Instagram.

[C]

Go to my Instagram right now. I work out every day. I post it.

[A]

I don't post it.

[C]

Don't play with.

[A]

I work out in secret.

[C]

I post it every day. What's up?

[A]

I don't post. I don't post nothing.

[C]

What day you want me come to Atlanta?

[A]

I ain't even in Atlanta. I'm gonna come see you.

[C]

I'm coming to New York. We got gyms.

[A]

When you wanna do it, man?

[C]

You wanna be live on the show? You wanna do a live on the show? 30 Minute Workout? I don't.

[A]

I don't do anything for sure. Just me and you. And I just want you to know that I kicked your ass doing what you do.

[C]

You see what I'm saying, Ocho?

[A]

Hey, see you by show.

[B]

I went into

[A]

I wanted too.

[C]

The show gets the dough. You never heard that? Yeah, no dough, no show. What's up?

[A]

You scared?

[C]

Pay per view. I know you got a lot on the line because you're a professional football player or excellent football player.

[A]

When you signed your first contract, I retired

[C]

up by older rappers.

[B]

Hey, when we gonna compete?

[A]

Because ain't no rapper beat me or nothing. But on the microphone, when it comes to the gym, that ain't happening. What you wanna.

[C]

What you want to do?

[A]

What you want to do? Look here you have the rap game. That's you. That's your era. That's your. That's your era. That's what your era of expertise. Yeah, my name. I ain't gonna waste my time dealing with you, man. Cause you ain't on this level.

[C]

You want to run sprints, you want to run routes. What you want to do? Or you just want to stay in the gym and I got a bad hamstring and I still give you work, or you want to stay in the gym?

[A]

I'm staying in the gym. I don't want to do nothing but that iron. I don't move nothing but iron.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought.

[A]

Check my resume. It's expensive.

[C]

In 30 minutes you will not. You won't last 30 minutes with me. You want me to follow you or you want to follow me? How you want to do it?

[A]

You can't follow me.

[B]

I'm a record.

[A]

Because you can't do nothing. You can't bench, you can't squat, you can't. You can't do nothing. You want to do body weight movements? I don't do body weight movements.

[C]

You better go check my gram. I do surface squats. I do regular squats. We do deadlifts. We do everything. Are you out your mind? Yeah.

[A]

£195, man. What I look like going up against £195 pound man in the gym? That's wasting my time. Next. Oh, yo, take that.

[C]

Where I'm from, a challenge is a challenge.

[B]

Yeah. Regardless of size, right?

[C]

Yeah, we fight all bullies where I'm from. That's how I hit up. No man on nothing. You heard

[A]

I'm the U. S. What I look, what I look like Taking over Greenland. They ain't even got no damn military. This ain't what you like. This ain't what you're looking for.

[C]

Bro, bring your mouth and your body to Harlem.

[B]

Let's go to the gym. Let's go to the gym.

[C]

You thought I was one of these out of shape rappers? No, I'm in super shape. I'm not in regular shape. I'm in super shape.

[A]

Hey, apple is a shape pear egg.

[C]

I'm in super shape. And you can ask everybody the whole.

[A]

We was having a great conversation. It was great. You see what you did?

[C]

Why you think I was on the COVID of Men's health for my looks? Because I get busy.

[A]

Oh, Lord have mercy.

[B]

When we going in the gym? Because I want. I want this work.

[A]

I'm busy.

[B]

I want this work.

[C]

Now you busy. You bring it up. Now you busy, rich man.

[A]

You brought it up. You owe you on your capade. First of all, you chat. You want Nas, you want Jada, you want everybody. And then you try to come.

[C]

No, no, no, no, no.

[A]

You said that.

[C]

You said that. You start bringing other people. Don't try no slick. I said I don't care who it is. I will go up against Jim Jones. That's what I said.

[A]

He's a better rapper than Nas. Jim Jones defends himself against Nas comparison. Jim Jones Rejects Nas comparison. Check my record. Jim Jones argued he's bigger than Nas. You said that.

[C]

You sound like you a little hot. You over there. You in your feelings.

[A]

Cause me and everybody else.

[C]

Your glasses. Glasses a little bit. Your glass is a little crooked.

[A]

My glasses are fine. You can tell me. I take them off. You can see, and I still can see. You can't f with Nas. I put them back on. You still can't f with Nas.

[C]

Come on. Since 16 bars in NAS right now. Sing your favorite Nas record right now.

[A]

The man busy.

[C]

Sing it.

[E]

Sing it.

[C]

Sing your favorite Nas record.

[A]

First of all, once you get to

[C]

a certain listen, sing your favorite Nas record. Jim, I bet you know your favorite Jay Z record. Hey, I bet you could say your favorite what GM Sing your favorite favorite Nas record.

[A]

Okay, you done flew high. You came back down. Now sing your favorite favorite.

[C]

Sing your favorite Nas record, bro. Since you. Since you back. Since you're going crazy for him. I can sing more Nas records than you right now. I can sing more Nas records than you right now. So you are capping. You are capping. That's what you're doing.

[A]

First of all, bro, I'm a bigger

[C]

Nas fan than you are. You are.

[A]

First of all, I don't be singing no rap. I don't be singing no rap.

[C]

You see what I'm saying? Ocho? He don't even know about rap. He just doing this for the views to get Jim Jones on there, to get him hot. I understand, but you don't get him, husband. You don't.

[A]

You know, you better check the podcast now. You better talk. This the biggest podcast you ever been on. This is the biggest podcast you ever been on. This one, When you get big, you get it.

[C]

This is what I do now.

[A]

I'm getting by the club. Getting by the club.

[C]

Little young white girl. Chill out with me, bro. Chill out. You dealing with the wrong one, bro.

[A]

Right here, bro.

[C]

I don't care nothing about nothing that

[A]

you got to say, bro. You might as well hey, we. Hey, we here. You can't out talk me alone, bro. You might can out me, but you can't out talk me.

[C]

Don't nobody want to go to Club Shay. Nobody want to buy no VIP tickets to that. Nobody rushing to go to that biggest

[A]

podcast you ever been on. Do got to go get an invite.

[C]

You do got to go. The podcast is tremendous. You and OO do your thing. Don't get it twisted, bro. I don't say nothing about no podcast.

[B]

Listen, we supposed to be talking about music and Love and embracing one other and culture and having we a let

[A]

it come out here and disrespect Nas and Jada. That ain't gonna happen on here. Now, where were we?

[C]

Why you keep putting Jada into this?

[A]

Why you keep putting Jada into this? What's wrong with you? What is wrong with you, bro?

[C]

You type A to get caught, like, nah, come out. They caught us all. Like, why is he trying to put Jada into this, bro? Now I get it, bro. It's all good. It's all love, bro.

[A]

All right, you talk about this here. Tell us what you got coming out,

[C]

the next movie, what you said.

[A]

Yeah, you got a movie coming out, right?

[C]

Coming out at the church steps, a lovely movie. I got a bunch of comedians in there, a bunch of influences that we all know. I'm excited to put that movie out. Comes out later on this summer. It's. It's an added on to my album. Got a bunch of dope actors in there too, so I'm looking forward to that.

[A]

So, so are you, Are you more proud? Are you most proud of the movie you have coming out or the new music you got coming out or they're equal?

[C]

I'm more proud of the business that I've been doing lately.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

So you must think my life revolves around music when my life is. Music is just probably the smallest fraction of my life, even though it fuels a lot of the things that comes to my life because of music. But I'm a great businessman all around the board, you know, I mean, so you got to learn a lot, a lot more about me. And I'm a philanthropist. I'm one of. One of the few people that do give back. Shirts off my backs and things like that. All the rhetoric about the rap and back and forth is cool and like that. But deep down inside, I'm away. I'm a way other man than what we over here going off about and things like that. Like, I, I, I. My biggest attribute is my giving back. You heard it. I'm gonna always do that, no matter what. I want people to get it, get it misconstrued, you know, I, I love to give back. That's what my whole mission is about. And the more I go viral, the more I'm on your Explorer page, the more opportunities come to me, the more I could give back. All this comes down to a dollar is what people don't understand. This algorithm is a game that I had to learn and understand because I was a previously, I probably would crash down so many things that I see on the Internet or so many ways that people are talking about me. I had to learn how to reverse it and use these things as fuel for me to keep going and things like that. And that's just what I've been doing. I got to a point where I got good at it. So I know how to use it in my favor. Favor. And it's a beautiful thing. It could go against you, it could go for you. But one thing, if you're a small person, it's gonna work. It's gonna work in your favor. You know what I mean? So I use all my opportunities to turn into a dollar. And anytime that I've seen her, they're gonna go, wanna want to know about me. Extra stream is an extra dollar. I don't care about what nobody said. I need mine all facets.

[A]

I mean, that's what I wanted to ask you. I wanted to ask. When did. When was it always a part of your. Like, if you ever made it that you were gonna give back? Because like you said, you do. You do give back to the younger generation. You do give back to your community. When did that thought, that thought process, how did. How did that come about? Jim Jones? Like, you know, what, if I get to a certain level and I'm able to help and I'm able to get give back, that's what I'm going to do.

[C]

You know, we from an older era, a godfair era. So, you know, I watched my family open their house to strangers sometimes and things like that. They was always a given. And not to mention when I came in, outside and watching the hustlers doing for the community, the ones that were successful, the ones that always came back, bus rides, sneakers, haircuts, all of that. So I just chose to carry on tradition. And me being a position of success in my life only helped me to do a little bit more than what I've seen coming up.

[A]

That's what's up. That's good, bro. Hey, I'm gonna pull up in Harlem.

[C]

Come on, I'm waiting for you, man.

[B]

I love you.

[C]

I love you.

[B]

Hey, hey, hey, Jimmy. Hey, Unc, if you. If you pull up in Harlem, we gotta go to Ricardo's.

[C]

Nah, we gotta go to Ricardo's.

[B]

Gotta go to.

[C]

Hey, Shannon, you know I love you. I love people that I could go back and forth with, and people don't take no offense to it. You heard a lot of people look at this and might take offense to

[A]

it, but they are, they are. But we don't care We.

[C]

We had a great time, and we know who we are. You dig?

[A]

Like, yeah, for sure.

[C]

You dig? We can never let no electronics get in between the realism. We know it says staycare, and we know what we're doing, you dig? And I appreciate you for that, because a lot of people would have took everything to offense and went, but we all who we are, man. I appreciate this opportunity, man. Y' all do have a great show. I cannot take that from you.

[A]

You want to appreciate you coming on.

[C]

Get this workout. Come on, Ocean could bring him to Harlem. Let's work out.

[B]

Hey, he not. He's not as strong as he say, though. He's not as strong.

[A]

Oh, there you go.

[B]

He just be talking, you know?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. You see?

[C]

Nah.

[A]

But hey, hey, Jim, real talk, though, man. I appreciate you coming on. Ocho and I, we really appreciate it. We appreciate the time. And I'll never. You know, hey, we have a great time going back and forth, talking about Nas and Jaden. You. But, bro, you stand the test of time. You do what you do. You great at what you do, and I appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule tonight to come on with Ocho and I and talk about all things. So we. I had a great time. I don't know about Ocho, but I had a great time.

[B]

Listen, this is. This was iconic tonight. This was iconic. Anytime you got. This is. The funny thing about it is people not gonna understand what y'.

[A]

All. It's gonna be trendy, Jim. You know, we're gonna be a story in the morning.

[B]

People not gonna understand that. This is what we do now.

[C]

This is what we do. This is. This is the culture. This is how we act. This. This is how we act when we get together. Like, people gotta.

[A]

This is it.

[C]

Like, yeah. Hey, I love y', all, though, man. I appreciate you.

[B]

Hey, this one number. The spades gang without the cars.

[C]

That's all 100. Our whole attitude.

[A]

The spades all day, all the time.

[C]

All.

[A]

All the time, bro. Hey, if I was in Harlem, he's like, okay, let's go find the gym right now. We'll find out what we. What we buy.

[C]

100. A hundred percent. 100.

[A]

We stand on that. Hey, but, Jim, hey, man, best of luck on the album. Best of luck on the movie, man. Hey, when you get some free time, stop back.

[B]

Bye.

[A]

Bye.

[C]

I will.

[A]

I appreciate that, bro. All love you.

[B]

Remember my leg.

[C]

Hey.

[A]

Hey, Ocho.

[B]

That was. That was awesome. That.

[C]

That was. That was awesome.

[A]

Now, you know, hey, everybody gonna say, man, Jim Jones, the Shadow shop was

[B]

going, baby, hey, no, they don't understand it. And anybody that say that they don't play spades, they don't play spades.

[A]

But Ocho, I've been Ocho, it's been a while since I've been able to get that out. Ocho, I've been sitting on there for two months now.

[C]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

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[E]

How you.

[A]

I'm doing great. I'm doing great. Okay, this all started. I think you did a. You did a podcast with Justin Leboy. We want to play the clip. We're gonna sit.

[E]

Months, months ago.

[B]

Go ahead.

[A]

So he just. So y'. All. Okay. He just released it. You taped it earlier.

[E]

It's been released too. I don't know why it's viral right now, but.

[A]

Okay, we're gonna play. We're gonna play the clip that everybody is talking about. Can we, can we roll that clip? Hold on.

[B]

That you believe you can.

[E]

I'll be rolling. He's a world champion. Rolly Ramirez. Listen, it's not about. I think Roly is very unorthodox. He's very strong, right. But I'm way taller than him, way longer than him, and got better boxing skills. The.

[A]

How about one of his punches, though?

[E]

Did you not hear what I said? It's hard for somebody smaller to hurt somebody that's bigger. I walk around at 185. He fights at 140. Or is it 47?

[A]

It's 147.

[B]

140. 147.

[E]

But I'm just saying though, like, when you. And then like with his skill set, he can't be.

[A]

So that's. That's where it came from. You said that you could be the three division world champion, lightweight, super lightweight and welterweight. Take it away.

[E]

He just became what to. Wait, who did he fight against for that 47 belt? I can't remember who he beat for that 47 belt. Was it Ryan Garcia?

[A]

Hold on, I, I just. Let me see. Recognizing the champ.

[B]

If it wasn't Ryan, it was the old. It was the older guy. It was the older guy, but it was the stop.

[E]

It's not the Mexican that really beat him, but they gave him the.

[B]

Yeah, they, they stopped. They stopped the Fight too fast.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy was beating him. I know the older guy. He's like 40 something years old, 46. Somewhere in there. So this is my thing. And. And this is why I'm so happy that. So I want you to know something. I've been sparring against boys and men for 20 years. That's two decades of boxing. I didn't say I'm gonna go in there and knock Rollie out. I didn't say I can overpower him. I said I can outbox him. I've. I've outboxed plenty of men who are professional boxers inside the ring. Yes, sparring is not a. A real fight of spawn, but boxing is not MMA sparring. MMA sparring is 60%. 70. Most of the time up in sparring, especially sparring against a guy and he got his girlfriend in the gym, his wife in the gym, his kids in the gym. He not gonna let no woman get off on him. I get off on men and piece them up and sparring respectfully with their women and with their kids there. Because I'm a very serious boxer. You cannot speak doubt into my skills and what I. And what I can do, Shannon. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't do that because you got to really be in the gym. I have. I sparred over a hundred rounds for this fight against Franchise. Watched her. I sparred all men. I had two different sparring partners. 10 rounds twice a week. That's 20. That's 20 rounds. Two different men.

[C]

Foot.

[E]

I don't know, eight, 10 weeks straight. I sparred over 100 rounds. These guys are pros.

[C]

The.

[E]

The Spawn partner I had was 170 pounds. One was 173 pounds. I'm scoring against these guys to get ready for my world championship fight against Franchise, who's a decorated amateur, decorated pro, so you cannot tell. First of all, I know I can beat up Rolly. He knows that. He knows that. And it's not a thing of like. Like, I'm not. If we just compare and skill. Just because somebody is stronger don't mean that they can win in no fight. That's not how it works. I promise you, it's not. But it's not how it works. That's not how boxing works.

[A]

Okay, you do understand. He is a three division champ. Three quarters of his fight has ended by ko so he has Dynamite. You're not. You've never. And it's hard for me to believe that if you spar, Shakur and Keyshawn Davis and some of the people, they're going in there inspiring you, as if they were getting ready to fight a Tank Davis or a Ryan Garcia. It's hard for me to believe that. I'm not saying that that's not true, but it's just hard for me to believe. And you do realize once you challenge a man, manhood, like you challenged Rollie, he's gonna look to destroy you. He gonna look to hurt you. Clarissa, I'm just being honest.

[E]

This is what. This is what happens in Sporin. The same thing. Listen, let me show you something, because I. I've been. I've been waiting. I've been waiting for y' all to call today because I. Because people thought I would be mad about what you said. Like, that's your opinion. Nothing is actually true until it's done. You know what I'm saying? Until it actually happens. Let me find this. Why is it not me?

[B]

Hold on.

[E]

Give me a second. I just had up here. I'm on the page.

[A]

Yeah, the. I mean, but see, the. The thing is, Carissa, I think the thing is, is that our opinion, I might do. Look, there might be an actor that's phenomenal, but I might not like him in movies. There might be an actress that's phenomenal. She's won Academy Awards, but I might not like her in movie. That doesn't mean she's not a great actor or actress. I think you took what I said.

[E]

I want you to. No, I want you to understand that I don't take that. What you saying as like a diss to me, because I know I'm the greatest woman of all time, the best female fighter right now. Like, I understand that, but what I'm trying to tell you is this is not. This is a sport, and sport has no gender. You understand?

[A]

It actually does, though.

[E]

Well, I mean, sport is equal, man. If. If. Listen, you can have a twin brother and a twin sister, right? They go in the gym and they work out every single day together. They got the same coach. I can guarantee you if. If the boy slack and the girl works harder, the boys play around. I can guarantee you the girl is going to be. Is going to be a better fighter. And I can say that because I've lived through that. I've been in the gym with guys who were in the gym since they were six. I started when I was 11. Within six months, I was sparring against a guy that was there four years already, practicing and sparring. Two months in the gym. He want to slack off and play Around, I kicked his ass. And I was the best in my gym till I was probably about, like, 15. I didn't get my ass whooped in the gym by a man until I was 16 years old. And that's, like, where I'm like, dang, this guy really got off on me, like, every day. Not going to be a good day in the gym. But when I was in the gym sparring against. I sparring against grown men since I was 15, 14 years old. Grown men who 26, 28, 30 years old. And you have to remember, like you said, oh, you challenge a man's manhood, you gotta know when I'm back. Then nobody. We in the gym, we are working hard, we all sweating. And when it comes to Sporin, you hit somebody in their face, you buckle them, you hurt they. You hit them in the stomach, they are going to hit you back. Being born in Flint, Michigan, you born in Flint, Michigan. Did you watch the biopic, the Fire Inside? I just gotta know. Did you watch? So you know that I've literally lived this. I've sparred men my entire career, and I just want to. Everybody likes to cut their sparring in half and show you certain stuff. This is back in 2023. This is just a full round. I don't even show this stuff. I don't even show this stuff. As you can see, I'm the one in the white and black. Did you see that? I don't know if it's good enough for y'.

[A]

All.

[E]

This dude is punching. This dude 175 lbs. Punching with all type. I think it's like, round. Round three or two. He came out there firing. As you can see, I can stand my ground. He throwing punches. I got great defense, great jab. He trying to come. I hit him with some shots. He tried to come back, moving my head. I'm gonna let you watch the whole round. Just enjoy the. Just enjoy the two minutes.

[A]

But, Carissa, you do understand amateurs is different than pros. There have been guys that. There's some guys that the amateur, they're not. They weren't very good. But in the pros of the different level, because in the amateur, the point system and the others are trying to get you up out of there. Those are amateurs. Rolly is a world champion, a three division world champ.

[E]

This is a pro. This is a professional fighter. My last guys I sparred were professional fighters. I've been inside the ring and sparred with Shakur. I'll. Sparky, Sean Davis. I spar. Anthony Darrell, Andre Darrell. Outsparred. Who is this? One of the guys that fought against Charlo. This is what I'm telling you. When it comes to getting good work, I'm not. I'm trying to get good work. I wouldn't even get inside the ring with a man who's like, oh, I'm not gonna hear her because she's a girl. Well, get the out of here then, because I am here to work. And I feel like if somebody not supposed to be in the ring with you, you get them out of there. I've never gotten a ring with a man, and he was like. Like, I. I got in there, and she didn't deserve to be in the ring with me because I was just that much better than her. It has never happened. It's never happened. I'm sorry.

[A]

We have rolling. We have Rolly response to you. Did you see what Rollie said? We got the sound.

[E]

Rollie loved me. He said he's not gonna hit me back or something like that.

[A]

We gonna play the sound. Okay? We. We play the sound. Him better boxing skills than him, and I'm bigger than him.

[B]

I'm just.

[A]

Just your thoughts.

[C]

When you.

[A]

You saw that clip, what did you think when you saw that?

[B]

I believe her. I believe she can beat me.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

She'll knock me out.

[B]

I don't hit women.

[C]

That's true.

[A]

I understand that.

[E]

So with that answer being, listen, I'm not afraid to get inside the ring and spar against a man. I never have been. And I think people love to bring up this clip where I got dropped in 20. Was it 18 by this guy? I didn't get knocked out. I got dropped.

[A]

Yes.

[E]

And pretty. If guys get dropped.

[A]

Is that the guy that Rollies dropped? That knocked out?

[E]

That's the guy who Rollie knocked out? Absolutely. Rollie knocked him out around 20, 19. But this is what you have to understand. That guy is a cheat. He didn't have no padding in his gloves. And if it. And if it's not true, why him and him and the coach haven't sued me yet? That dude, I had whooped him the week before. He was mad. He didn't like it. I'm a black African American female. They don't value women in his country, and they definitely don't value no damn black woman. His coach gave him some worn glove that he said he got from Roberto Durant as a gift. This is what the man said. Derek Santos, the coach. The gloves had zero to no padding in them. And he caught me with that hook when We. When we spark. Because he wanted revenge on the week before when I tapped his ass. Now this is the thing, right? He sparred me and another guy the same day. Anytime I go to the gym and I'm sparring rounds, getting ready for a world championship fight, I sparred two different men. I always done that. I have. I. I'm always the one standing in the ring, staying, staying fresh. He sparred that same guy, and I was standing there confused. It's my first time ever getting dropped. Been boxing for. Since I was 11 years old. I've never been dropped before. So I'm curious on how this dude dropped me, right? So I'm watching him and his dude named Harold, Harold Kadarin spar right after me and him got done. I'm watching them spar. And Harold said, you weren't hitting like that last week. And I looked and I said, what the you mean by that? When he got done. When I got done sparring, I walked to him and said, hey, man, good work. I hit his glove, and I can tell you, it was no padding in there. My coach. A coach, John David Jackson was there. Derek Santos was there. Derek Santos, he grabbed the gloves off of the dude hands and stuck them in a Ziploc book bag and walked off. I literally ran to my car, and everybody know what I did. Everybody know when I ran, what I ran to my car to go do. But I learned the valuable lesson. When you sparring against anybody, check their gloves. I never was aware of that before, but that was back in 20. 2018. We was in 2026. And they can't bring up nothing else that's flawed in my career. But that knockdown and then the knockdown with Hannah Gabriels came a couple days after that when I fought her in the first round. I still won that fight unanimously. But I've never been dropped before that and never have been dropped after that after those moments.

[B]

Hey, I have a. Yeah, I have a question. Right. You. Obviously, I. I talked about it last night, about your skill in. In the ring, obviously being more of a pure boxer, being a little bit more polished, you know, than Rolly is. Whether it's fighting on the inside, whether it's fighting at mid range, or whether it's fighting that distance. I understand what you're gonna do. I understand your defensive.

[E]

You understand boxing. Uncle. Uncle. Uncle Shannon don't understand boxing.

[A]

For real?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But. But what I. What I did. What I did say is, is that I'm thinking of if. Just hypothetically speaking, if you did Fight. Rollie. Understanding that he can crack, understanding that his boxing skills and his pedigree is. Is not what yours is. Understanding that. But in a fight when you obviously have to be cautious, if he was to catch you because he can crack, I mean, do you think he would knock you out if he was to catch you?

[C]

Nah.

[E]

But can I ask you something?

[B]

Talk to me.

[E]

Since when have one punch? Who is it that box right now? Because you box. Who is it right now? That's a man that if he hit you one time with a. With. With a good shot, you. You going to sleep. Who is it? Is it Shakur? Is it. Is it Keshan? Is it. Is it Terrence? Who can catch you with one shot? Ocho and you.

[A]

And.

[E]

And it's night night for you.

[A]

I think it round one. Me personally, round one. Ocho. To answer her question, I think any guy that has a championship. Have a championship belt, if he catch. If he catches you on your chin, you going to sleep.

[E]

Uncle. Uncle. Shannon, we know why you. Why you saying this? You are macho. Macho football. Football strength and strength. But. But that's. That's not going. That's not going to happen because I've been hit on my chin. I've been hit in my stomach. I've been hit by professional. We sparring. When.

[A]

When have I ever gotten in the original thing? You didn't say sparring. You said, you can beat Rolly. It wasn't until later that you said sparring. So the question is not.

[E]

Well, that's the only way that was your fight, is it? If it's a sparn. When have you seen a woman versus a man? I. I haven't seen.

[A]

So what do we talk?

[C]

You.

[A]

You said you could beat Rollie in a fight. Not sparring. Sparring came along later. We played the clip. Do we need to replay the clip?

[E]

So you talking about up in a real fight? Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You said you walked around at 185. He fights at 100.

[E]

So you saying that if it's money and belts on the line and I got me a two or three month camp, you telling me that Rollie gonna knock me out? Up. Up in what round?

[A]

Rollie gonna beat you?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yes. Rollie would stop you? Yes. Rollie would stop you. Yes, I believe Rollie would stop you.

[E]

You are nuts. But I love that for you. Because when you don't know boxing, you just don't know boxing that well. And you don't know me that well. But I will say this. I've never went inside the ring with anybody in Ben Jette.

[A]

Can I ask you a question?

[E]

On my chin. Hit me right. Come on now. Did you not see the defense in the offense in my last fight?

[A]

Can I ask you a question, Clarissa?

[E]

Can you answer the question?

[A]

Yes.

[E]

Did you not see the offense and

[A]

defense that was against French Sean, this is Rolly, a three division champ.

[E]

Listen, guys that really know how to box, I would tell you that they can do what they can do, that they better boxers or skilled or powerful, whatever they mean you.

[A]

Rollie is not Clarissa. Even at 1, even around at 180. And he walks around. Let's just say for the sake of argument, if he's making weight at 147, I'm saying he's probably walking around at 160, 165. I'm gonna be generous and say he's gripping 14, between 15 and 20 pounds off. Even at 1:55, 165, his body still produces more testosterone as yours his.

[E]

Nobody, nobody ever said I was stronger than Rollie. I never said that. You said that. I am telling you off of pure boxing. Look, Deontay Wilder have 41 knockouts. He getting there with a. With a pure boxer like Tyson Fury and lose. This is men to men. But I am telling you, skill to skill. Skill to skill. You not. You are not looking at skill to skill, man.

[D]

You're.

[E]

You're just not. Because you can't. Because you. Because you too macho, macho.

[A]

But you're looking at Rolly, you looking at Rowley like he's not skilled. You looking at Rollies like he's not skilled.

[E]

I am telling you that Rolly is skilled. He not better skilled than me. And Ojo even just told you that. Oh, just told you that.

[A]

So I'm gonna ask. Ocho just told you that. So he's not as skilled as Clarissa. Do you believe Clarissa can beat him in a fight? In a sanctioned fight, a 12 round fight with 10 ounce gloves. Do you believe Clarissa could beat him?

[B]

That's why. That's what I explained in my first. When I first said it. Are you going to be. Are you going to be able to protect yourself in a 10 round fight and not get. Not get caught?

[E]

In exchange you is tuck your chin and keep your hands up. What are we talking? I'm gonna go in there. Oh, I'm gonna go power for power with Rolly. I'm. Man, come on. You've seen the jab in the fight. You've seen the head movement. You've seen the body Work. And any. Anybody that knows when you fight against somebody that strong, you hit him where the body. I'm going to roll these body early.

[A]

Where you think he's gonna hit you? Let me ask you a question. Where do you think he's gonna hit you?

[E]

Everybody gets hit.

[A]

But have you. But you've never been hit by a man without headgear.

[E]

Why would I have to get with a man with. Without fight rolling?

[A]

It's gonna be a fight. You said, you said if you got two to three months to fight, you could take Rollie out.

[E]

I'll tell you what can happen with or without headgear versus. Versus a man. Because I never did that with the men. I've only sparred with it. Just like a man can tell you he's never been hit by a woman without headgear because they don't spars without head gear.

[A]

But normally men don't. First of all, I. It's hard for me to believe that Keyshawn Davis or getting ready or these elite fighters are getting ready for another elite fighter. They're going to bring a woman in to spar. It's just. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen or it hasn't happened. It's just hard for me to believe that Manny Pacquiao is getting ready to spark. You're getting ready for these great fighters and he's sparring a woman. It's just hard for me to believe.

[E]

No, listen, it's hard for you to believe because it's only one Clarissa Shields. A lot of these women cannot spar against men and get ready for no fights. They sparring against other women. I cannot do that. I watch every woman who I spar. Every woman who I work out with, I watch them. I am advanced. I've been doing this for 20 years and I grew up in a gym with nothing but boys and men sparring them. Listen, the. The truth hurts. And I, and, and what I think that hurts for. For you is to know that I'm a pure boxer and I know how to box very well. It's not. I don't fight like a girl. I know how to box. Shannon.

[A]

I know that you don't, but I don't understand why I would be upset. I want you to win. I've spoken in glowing terms and saying you the best, but I just don't believe that you're gonna be. You're gonna be a three division champ. That's 147 in a fight. I just don't. Yeah.

[B]

And you know you know what? Also you can have that belief.

[E]

And, and that's okay. It's not another wrong.

[B]

This is also what I also want to say. And I. I kept saying it last night and I've regurgitated it over and over and over. When it comes to you being the greatest at what you do, it's really the mentality you have right now, the belief that. That I can do it. Whether we believe you can or not. For me, you getting in there with, with the. With the actual fighter weight division champ and me understanding him not being a pure boxer and all that, I just understand the dangers behind it. I understand the danger behind it, especially in a ten round fight. And there's no goddamn headgear.

[E]

Yeah, you gotta watch your ass.

[B]

You gotta watch your ass too. Yeah, you got to be goddamn cautious. But I think the fact that you even believe it, whether we think you can win or fuck or not, this is why you are the best at what you do.

[E]

But that's what I. And now that we're speaking on that, I think I tweeted and I said the way how I believe in myself, it is not to intimidate you, but that is what greats have to do. And I am a great. I've been great for a long time. And I. And I know what I can and what I cannot do. And what I will tell you is proper preparation prevents poor performance. If I go and I watch film on Roly and I go and I die and I go and I really dissect them and see what he do good and what he do bad. I'm telling you, I know that my skill can be the most. If I really did my homework and. And really had to sit there with it and prepare. I'm going to go and spar against Keyshawn Davis. I'm have to call up Tia. Female I'm at the cops record. Hey, y' all, come, come help me get ready. I have to call Terence Crawford. Hey, y' all help me get ready. And I guarantee you, if I. If I done that, which I would because that's how professionals and that's how fighters and champions think with them helping me prepare. And then me having a Uncle. Uncle Shannon said of a sanctioned fight with Rollie. I'm sorry, you guys, but the truth is in the pudding and that I will win.

[A]

But. Well, help me understand this. What does my hips have to do with anything? Because. Because if I ask you, could you run a go route? Could you run a square in? Could you brock a seven technique and overfront, would you know what to do if they brought two off your side and you in the slot? What would you do

[E]

if they brought football or football.

[A]

If they brought two off your slide and you the slot, what would you do? But now, but see, you took a shot at me, talking about I couldn't throw a punch. I'm not a boxer.

[E]

You told me a dude can knock me out.

[A]

That is my opinion. You took me, but, see, you took a personal shot because I gave. I didn't take a personal shot at you.

[E]

See, See, this where y' all get it wrong at this where y' all get it wrong at. Boxing, I do take personally because that is my job, that's my livelihood, and that's all that I do. Boxing. Anything you say about me up in boxing, I take personally because that is my life. I don't have another life out outside of boxing.

[A]

Let me ask you a question. So you are above reproach. Nobody can have an opinion about you.

[E]

No, you can have them.

[A]

Why you get upset if I got an opinion?

[E]

I didn't get upset. I still came on here and talked to you.

[A]

But you took a personal shot in your tweet, Shakur took a personal shot. He took a personal shot because after the Teofimo fight, Ocho. And I said, ocho, I said, he fabulous. He was sensational tonight. I had him take it all, but

[E]

he didn't get the knockout.

[A]

I said, but his fights don't excite me, and I wouldn't spend no money.

[E]

Oh, yeah, but see, there again, see, this is what I want you guys to realize, and I've spoken this to the guys who I'm cool with, and even, like, some of the commentators, y' all say stuff like that, and other people. And then it could affect other people. Like, you saying that can make other people be like, I'm not going to spend my money to go and see Shakur fight. He can take that very offensive because you do have a big platform and people do love Uncle Shannon. You know what I'm saying? So he can take that per. He can take that personally. But it's like, I think you just should have said, it don't excite me. But then when you like, oh, it don't excite me, and I ain't gonna spend my money to go. It's like, you know that the money that people pay for the fight goes into his pocket.

[A]

Carissa, if somebody says, you know, look, I think Shannon's a phenomenal tight end, but he just don't block it just don't do it for me. I can't take that personal. That is someone's opinion. I offered an opinion. That's it. I said he was great.

[E]

I think that your. I think that sometime with y' all opinions, y' all just like go sometimes with like the podcast and stuff. Sometimes y' all say stuff and it's. And it's triggering. And I can apologize about saying what I said about your hip. You had triggered me. So my job is to trigger you back.

[D]

That's it.

[A]

But you say you didn't take it personal.

[E]

I, I, no, no, no. I, I told you I took it personal. I said I take anything you say for me in boxing personal. I told you that. I said that. You talking about boxing? Oh, Clarissa can't do this boxing this, boxing that. Oh, he talks shit about me. Because boxing is all that I.

[A]

But you overlook all the other stuff. I said that you the greatest, that you were sensational, that you were two time Olympic champions. So all the good stuff that I said, you set that to the side and just focus on the one thing that I said, that you couldn't be rolling. So all the 15 great things say

[E]

I couldn't be rolling. You said Rolly gonna knock.

[A]

I didn't say Rolly was gonna knock you out. I said Rolly would beat you. Yes. I believe he would stop you. Yes. In a 10, in a 12 round fight. Yes. I believe rolling.

[E]

So. So did you say that or no?

[A]

I said he would beat you, but I do believe he would stop you. You.

[E]

I stop you was a knockout, right?

[A]

Okay. Tko, ko, whatever you want. Hey, you. Hey. They throw the towel in. Whatever you want you term you want to use.

[E]

No, no, no, and no, no, that's not it. But y' all know that I got mad love for y'. All. Y' all know that.

[A]

The fact that you own let us know that. So we, we appreciate that. I got mad love for y', all.

[E]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

We the only show that your last fight. We talked about your last fight, but you didn't give. You didn't tweet nothing about that.

[E]

Y' all have put up congrats or something, but did y'.

[C]

All. No, I thought you did.

[E]

I think I did retweet it.

[A]

No, no, no. Hey, y' all go for watch nightcap. Uncle Nocho, they were talking about your girl. Good. You didn't say that.

[E]

Listen, y' all know I rock with y', all, but I was. I'm still trending now.

[A]

Why you think about what we said.

[E]

I didn't even, I think I seen it. But I had thought I had retweeted it or said something. But no. Look, I love beeping in with y'. All. I love talking, you know, talking boxing with y'.

[A]

All.

[E]

Just know that when like come to me, I'm more of a it's all in the opinion until it's fact. And when I hear y' all talk about things like it's facts, it be pissing me off. Cause it's like one. You never know until it, until it happens, you never know.

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Limitations, terms and conditions apply. The greatest woman of all time. So you bypass that and say, well, he said, rollie gonna beat me.

[E]

That's a fighter's mentality. I'm like, wait a minute now.

[B]

Yeah. Matter of fact. Hey, hey, Clarissa.

[A]

Hey.

[E]

Like to knock me out or stop me part? Oh, I was really pissed in. You really tripped me then.

[B]

Hey, go ahead. Oo, Clarissa.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Hey, tell Unc. Tell uncle I whoop Shakur, please.

[E]

Oh, show. You gotta stop. Come on, come on. Wait a minute. You say you could be the Andre Ward. Now you can beat up Shakur. Is it like the light skinned guys for you or something,

[A]

Clarissa? Can you spar? Ocho?

[E]

Yeah, I promise you I will spar.

[A]

Oh, that's what I'm talking about. See, that's. That's a match I can get. That's something I can get behind that.

[E]

So who you think I win? You think?

[A]

No, I got you. I got you. I changed. I got you. God damn, mama, I got you on that one.

[C]

Hold on.

[B]

You got.

[C]

Hold on.

[A]

You.

[B]

You got Rolly, but she don't have me.

[A]

I'm sorry, Ocho.

[B]

See?

[A]

See?

[B]

You see how you see how you doing me? Okay. Okay.

[A]

She said she gonna study. She said you. You bought her side. Y' all about the same size. You about 185. She said she walks around at 185. I got Clarissa.

[B]

Hey, the weight. The weight. The weight don't matter when it comes to skill. You hear me? Oh, the weight don't matter.

[A]

You heard what he said. He said he got better skills than you, Clarissa. That's what he said. And you said, you say, what are we doing?

[C]

Why are you putting words in my mouth?

[E]

But you know what, though? I have seen Ojo spar, and I've seen them work out. And like I said, I would love to see what he Think about me inside the ring. And I can guarantee him like, man, we better watch what you say about that damn girl. Because that girl be swinging, she be landing. And I'm. And I'm fast as lightning, baby. I'm fast as lightning. Did you see the fight?

[C]

Yes.

[E]

Did you see the fight? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. Listen, I'm into my own horn, but I ain't beat a up like that in a long time. Like, I mean, talk about.

[A]

Did you save any of that for Ocho in the sparring session?

[E]

I tell Ocho, give me about. Give me about mid. Give me about April, me, him spark.

[A]

I want to be right there. We're gonna have nightclubs, we're gonna have nightcap, a nightcap from Clarissa training camp. Ocho go spar. Yeah, a couple rounds.

[B]

Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on. Matter of fact, do me a favor, right? Hey, Clarissa, I wanna, I wanna running clock, right?

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

I want, I want to run a clock. I don't want no three minutes. I don't want no 30 second rest. I want to run a clock. I want four.

[A]

I want four rounds. Huh?

[E]

You think you Floyd Mayweather, huh?

[B]

No, I mean, that's just the way I train. That's the way when I train with boots.

[E]

You want a four minute round?

[B]

Yeah, four minute. No, no, I just want a running clock.

[E]

What does that mean? Like, just let the clock run.

[A]

So you get to beat him up as long as you want to. Clarissa.

[E]

He won't. He want doghouse rules.

[B]

Yeah, doghouse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I need, I need. Hold on. I need four different.

[C]

I need four different.

[D]

Huh?

[E]

How old you is, Ojo?

[B]

Age don't matter. The age don't matter.

[E]

When it comes to question, how old are you?

[B]

Age don't matter when it comes to 47, 58. Hey, hey. You know, you know, you know what they called me in the gym? What they call me hella hands.

[E]

What you fast. Oh, what you got quick hands.

[B]

No, it feel like you're fighting two people. So are you sure you want to get in the ring with me?

[E]

No, if you sure you want to get in the ring with me.

[B]

Oh, set it up, set it up, set it up.

[A]

Yeah, I'm ready.

[E]

He's dropping the hook already. Soda.

[B]

I'm ready. Hey, I'm good. When it's coming, the elbow gonna be up. Don't worry about it.

[E]

The elbow will be up.

[B]

When it's coming, this table is coming.

[E]

See? Ojo think he got good head movement because his head little but My head looks. See that? Here, here.

[B]

Hey, hey, we got to do that.

[E]

She said yeah, yeah, come on.

[A]

Like, she'll be ready to go, like mid. Mid to late April.

[B]

By April. Okay. Hey, April. Hey, April. We gonna be.

[A]

Oh, you down the street.

[E]

I'm in Atlanta.

[A]

No, I know where you live, but I'm saying, where you gonna be training out of?

[E]

I'm fighting again probably in July, August. I was supposed to piece a piece of Shadesha, but she's fighting against the girl that I beat already. So I guess we got to put her on the back burner for right now. So I think I'm fighting again in July, August. If we can lock in this fight

[A]

with another girl, there's some people.

[C]

Hey, hold on.

[A]

What's going on with you and Chris Cyberg? Because she been. She been. She been commenting on a lot of the posts.

[B]

Yeah. Why she. She wanna. Why she would she want to fight? She want to fight. I mean, what do you think about that?

[E]

She's a bum.

[A]

Oh, Lord have mercy.

[E]

I don't even know. No, I'm like, I'm so serious. She came out box to save her life.

[A]

Well, she said she wants. She won't. She won't smoke now.

[E]

She's a clout. She's a clout chaser. Tell her to fight it. She want me to come all the way down to 147 and lose my ass and a little bit of chance that I got to fight against her? No, ma'.

[C]

Am.

[E]

If she really want to fight, she can meet me up at 165. I would. I would knock her ass out easy. Chris Cyborg cannot box and she know that. She says my name because she's not relevant no more. She's a loser. She's a loser. She's not relevant no more. So she's got to say my name. But she. Man, I got pictures where Chris Iberg then walked out with my belts. Them being there. She's a fan. But now she want to be a hater because let me. Let me tell you how soft these girls is. Let me tell you something. The guy who throw Floyd fights, right, he came to me and said, clarissa, we want to do a fight with you. We want to have you on an undercard of Floyd Mayweather, but we got to find you a good opponent. I said, okay, who you thinking about? He got name people off. Name people off. And he like, oh, well, she not. She not that good. She not that good. We want you to have a good fight. I said, well, they had just Did Francis Ngannou versus Anthony Joshua. I said, what about Chris Cyborg? This is back when she was my friend. He said, okay, he was gonna pay me 3 million and was gonna pay Chris 2.

[C]

3.

[E]

3 million for me, 2 for her at 154 pounds. This was like a couple years ago. I called him my good girl Chris. Hey, girl, I got some money for us. I got some money for us. Me and you fight exhibition, whatever round, blah, blah, blah. She was all cool, right then. I was like, we're gonna fight at 154. She said, 154. She agreed all this stuff. She talked to the guy, she gonna tell him. I put him in contact. She like, oh, no, she gotta fight me at 147.

[B]

What? Nah, she messed up the money.

[E]

First of all, I could have said, fight me at 160. I ain't gotta lose nothing. You. Then this was a couple years ago. She's talking about some. No, I couldn't have 47 and then start saying she had knocked me out and then started this whole rumor that I'm scared of her. Like, I don't have to be scared of a girl that I sparred one time, four rounds, when we supposed to do six. In the four rounds, after I kicked her ass in front of her boxing coach, Jason, she was damn near about to die and cry inside the ring, literally. And I boxed her in some damn Jordans. I didn't have my boxing shoes. I had no mouthpiece, and I wore her gloves and her. Her. Her gloves and her headgear, and I tore Chris Cyborg ass up. And she know that we never sparred again. Never sparred again. Just that one time. And that's when you know you got somebody, they won't even call you back for sparring no more.

[A]

I tell you what.

[B]

Hey, matter of fact, I got. I got one more thing. Clarissa. You know what? This past weekend, right, I married a very good friend of mine, so now I'm. I can officiate weddings. So I'm asking you ahead of time when you and Papoose decide to jump the broom. Allow me to officiate your wedding. If you don't. If you don't know, you can go to my Instagrams and you can see where I married Gary Owens and his wife, Brianna Johnson.

[E]

Before I got on here, I just seen. Yeah, congratulations.

[B]

Yeah, I appreciate that. So right now, I'm a man. I'm a man of the cloth. I'm the honorable Bishop Ocho. So at any point, you guys cross the room Please allow me to officiate your wedding. I ain't gonna charge much. I ain't gonna charge much.

[E]

You know what? And I mean this, like, so humbly. We have such a long line with that prayer. Everybody wants to officiate our wedding. I don't know how everybody know we're going to get married one day, but everybody just say it, and they see it, and they say it all the time. And I would say that.

[B]

No, no, no, no. Okay, you know what? Let me fight everybody that want to officiate your wedding. And whoever come out win. Whoever come out that goddamn. That's how we gonna do it.

[E]

You gonna be fighting against church people? Oh, you. You crazy?

[B]

Yeah. Hey, baby, listen. Sometimes the Lord say, you gotta backslide. You gotta.

[A]

You gotta.

[B]

You got it.

[E]

Hey, the Lord said that it's a. It's a time for peace and a

[B]

time for war, and I'm going to war.

[A]

I tell you what, Clarissa, I know you're gonna talk to it. I know you're going to talk to Jakur. But ask Shakur if he wants to come on and explain. What. What did I say? My opinion. Why did I upset him so much? Yes.

[B]

Stop ducking me.

[E]

I'll ask him. But I want to also ask you, too. What did you mean by you and Shakur can compare accolades at the end of y' all careers? I know. And you a Hall of Famer. Correct. In football.

[C]

Right.

[E]

So how would y' all compare when

[A]

his career is over, when he retired, we'll look and see what he's done. And if he's recognized as one of the greats, if he's recognized with Leonard and. And Pacquiao and Roberto Duran and Tommy Hearns and.

[B]

And.

[A]

And. And Floyd Mayweather.

[E]

But, you know he will be, though, right?

[A]

Let's see. We said this. We.

[E]

No, but I'm saying, like, sometimes you just see it.

[A]

We said the same thing about Jermaine Taylor, didn't we, when he stopped, Remember? When he beat Bernard Hopkins, we said the same thing. He was on that trajectory. Right. So let's see how it plays out. You got. You gotta let a career. Career, you can't get halfway through it because we've seen guys start out great and things happen, and I pray nothing happens to Shakur, but we have to let the career. Career before we do that.

[E]

This is long. This is a longevity thing, like support Olympic silver medalist to turn pro. I. I believe he's three division world champion, Am I correct?

[A]

Probably so, yeah.

[E]

I think he's probably three or Four. I don't even know which one. I hope he don't crucify me for that. I need to learn my brother's stuff. But I will, I will say this. You really. Shakur is already a Hall of Famer right now with what he's accomplished right now.

[A]

So let me ask you a question. Is he one of the best five lightweights to ever fight? So is he better than Duran? He better than Sugar Shane? He's better than Sugar Ray Leonard. He better than Floyd Mayweather? Sugar Shane mostly at that division. Pacquiao at that division.

[E]

I think Shakur is a better. Now, see, I like Pacquiao, very Aqua Fighter and all that stuff. Shakur, boxing skills.

[A]

No skills is what. Here's the thing. Now if right now, if he were to retire right now, is he better than Shane Mosley, is he better than Floyd? Is he better than those guys at the lightweight division?

[E]

No, not right now. No, at the lightweight? Not right now. See, we talking about you talking about these guys full careers versus his career, which is right in the middle.

[A]

Now, do you understand why I said when his career is over? Let's have a discussion?

[E]

Well, I'm telling you, Shakur is going to be considered like the Floyd Mayweather in just a year or two. You know that, right? Because he gonna, he gonna fight the guys who y' all say that he can't beat. And if he can get the fights because.

[A]

But he won't wait clauses, he won't rehydration closet and all that.

[E]

Which is smart. What you mean it's smart? Listen, these gaining 30 and 40 pounds after they weigh in. This is crazy.

[A]

They always did that. They always rehydrated and refueled up. I didn't know anything about a rehydration clause until Tank and Ryan fought. I don't remember Sugar Ray and Duran and all those guys having rehydration clause.

[E]

So how do you feel about Tank having one on Ryan? You think if he didn't have it on Ryan that Ryan would have won?

[A]

But that's what I, I'm saying. But didn't they fight at a catch weight?

[B]

He just had to rehydration.

[A]

Listen, if I walk around at 180, I make 147. Why you could. I made the weight. The weight said 147. So now you want me to walk around. I walk around at 180, I make 147. Now you got a problem if I go up. So now I got to stay at 150.

[E]

Well, I don't. Well, that's £3.

[A]

So what they have. I think Ryan could only go up, what, five, six pounds.

[E]

Which. Which is. Which is dumb because a gallon of water is eight pounds. That's not even safe for a fighter. But I will say this. You see, Terrence went up and fought against Canelo. Right. Come. The smaller man going up three different weight classes. And we never heard Terrence say rehydration clause.

[C]

Correct.

[E]

And the only reason that we did it, we. Now, we didn't hear that, is because Terence Crawford is a big guy himself. Naturally, Shakur is not naturally social. Corey is not big like that. Like, Shakur has been small.

[A]

Floyd has been small. Florida never had a rehydration claw. Floyd probably walks around at 150. That's why it was so easy for him to be great. I mean, he's a great. His skill level, don't get me wrong, but Floyd probably walks around at 150, 152. So making 147 was nothing to him.

[E]

But Floyd is way bigger than Shakur. Like, Shakur is actually a little guy. I think he's fought the Olympics at. Was it 126, that. I mean, that's. Yeah, you talking about 126 pounds. And now he's at. A couple years later. Now he don't. Only fought as big as 140. That's £14.

[A]

But as. As you get, you know, as you get older, Clarissa, you know, the body is just something. The body just naturally put.

[E]

Yeah, it filled out more.

[A]

It'll fill out.

[E]

It feels out here, but I feel like. I feel like wish record him being, I think, 27, 28, that he hasn't. Like, he hasn't seen how strong he really is yet and seen, you know, his power, like, his power and everything. Like, I'm turning 31 next week, and I feel like my last fight was the strongest I've ever been in my entire life.

[A]

So what did you fight in the Olympics? Where did you fight at, Clarissa, what was your weight in the Olympics?

[E]

165. 75.

[A]

So you fought. So.

[C]

So you.

[A]

You've been fighting at your natural way the whole damn time.

[E]

Well, I went down to 54 and became undisputed, and then I fought at 60.

[A]

Yeah, but, you know, like, most guys. Most guys, when they fight, they, like, they fight. Okay, Like. Like Roy Jones. Roy was a junior welterweight, and then he went to middle, then he went to super middle. Then he, you know, he fought, then he went to light, and then he took the belt from Ruiz.

[E]

Anyway.

[A]

Yeah. And so Normally, you see, you look at Sugar Ray, lightweight, super move on up 47, and then he fought Hagler, middleweight at 160. But for you, I. I don't know if I've heard this before. Is that you 165, and you've been basically fighting at. So you and your wheelhouse, you in your sweet spot. Ain't nobody gonna beat you at that weight.

[E]

Well, well, that's the thing. So I started my professional career at 168. Then. Then I went down to 60, and then I went down to 54. I would went down to 47 to fight against Cecilia Brackets, but she wouldn't fight me. That was who was number one at the time at that weight class. So I said, At 54, I went back to 60. Then I went. Then I was no girl to fight at 68. Now I'm at 75. I'm just jumping around and seeing, did

[A]

you go back down to 54? If you could find a fight at 54, would you go back down to 54?

[E]

The lowest I can go, I believe, is 60 now. But it's because I put on so much, so much muscle and strength to fight at 75.

[B]

Right?

[E]

These girls at 75, I'm telling you, on these girls is huge.

[A]

I'm telling you. Well, if they fight, if they get in the making 75, they might be walking around at 95, 200.

[E]

Then Clarissa, I know I fought against a girl. I ain't gonna say her name because I don't want to give her business out, but she walk around at 215 and me and her fought at 175.

[B]

If you walk around at what, 215.

[E]

I have never been 200.

[C]

Nothing.

[A]

Well, you. In my life, I agree with you. I think the thing is, once you get to that weight, you get comfortable because I think that's what hurt Roy. Roy went from, you know, Roy put on that weight to be the heavyweight champ, and he went to heavyweight all the way muscle. And he was never the same after that.

[E]

Yeah, I think that because. Because I do plan on going back down to. To. To have some more big. Some have some more big. Some more big fights at 60, though, going down.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

And I will say that it's about how you lose weight. Everybody want to spend only two weeks in, you know, well, two months, three months, four months.

[A]

Be 16 to 20 weeks.

[E]

Right? But I'm saying, like, they want to spend three months and two months and just spend all that time losing weight and getting ready for the fight. You understand what I'm saying, and it's like you need to lose weight the correct way to where your body is not shocked when you get back down there. So I have a very strong nutrition team who I've been with since 2018. The same thing that. That. And they've been telling me for years. I'm talking about years ago. They was like, clarissa, you can get the 147. And I told them they are smoking something. Yeah, but they are.

[A]

Hey, you might have to get on that zippy if you want to get to 47. Clarissa, you better get on that zippic or that major note tri Zepatide or something.

[B]

Hey, matter of fact, you know, you. You could put me on. Can I be the head of your nutrition team?

[A]

No.

[E]

You looking for another job? You trying to stop working with Uncle Shannon? He getting on your nerves?

[B]

Oh, I got. I got. I got about 50, 11 jobs, sis. I'm. I'm trying to be.

[A]

You know what?

[E]

Listen, I heard. This is what I learned. They said in order to be a millionaire, you got to have at least seven incomes. You looking around at some income, ain't you?

[B]

I got. I got way more than that, sis.

[E]

Hold on now. I know you got the millions, but you're trying to get to the tens. And the twins and the 30 millions, ain't you?

[B]

I'm just. I'm just. I'm just trying to have my hand in. In a little bit of everything, that's all. That's all? That's all. It ain't about the money because I ain't spending that no way.

[E]

I heard, I heard you. You know, you don't spend money on your jewelry.

[B]

Oh, I don't play well now, I dabbling. I dabble and I dip and dabble a little bit now.

[E]

Okay, Right here, buddy.

[B]

Well, let me see. Let me see what that is, what

[A]

that is, sis, this is a.

[E]

This is a book. Is this a Bulgari? It's only two of them made in the world.

[B]

You got, Mike. You got.

[A]

You got.

[B]

Well, I ain't. I ain't got no. I ain't got no jewelry on tonight,

[E]

but I only wore this one today. And I got, like a little Gucci ring. This ain't nothing. Little 2000.

[B]

Hey, can you do me one favor, too? Because I got. I got. I got two people that have been ducking. They've been ducking me for a while.

[E]

Okay, you said Shakur, ducky and who else?

[B]

Oh, yeah, you know, he don't want the hand. Tell Andre Ward stop running for me. Right.

[E]

Okay. So there's two people.

[B]

Who else tell Bud I said I'm here, man,

[E]

if you don't leave Twin alone.

[A]

But Bud really like that, Clarissa. He don't really understand Bud really, really like that.

[B]

I didn't been in the ring with Bud. I know. I know what. I know what to do. I just

[A]

do anything you want to rall Bud around.

[E]

Y' all better stay away from them rings, bro. Did y' all see what Keyshawn did? The Blueface?

[A]

I saw that. That.

[B]

You saw that?

[A]

I did.

[B]

You saw that.

[E]

God damn. Listen, I would say that that's one thing that Blueface is doing right. He going and getting the actual work. I. I can respect that. But golly, he must have hickey Sean with a shot. And Keyshawn went crazy on him.

[A]

I mean, straight body, shot, head. Hey, he was everything. Pull, counter, I think. Damn.

[E]

Yeah, he. It was like a professional fight. I thought he was fighting Jermaine Ortiz again.

[A]

Yes, yes.

[B]

And the funny thing too about it, when you. When you go against the pros at that level and you think you can fight, and once they decide to turn up, it becomes overwhelming. And it's not. It's nothing you could do.

[E]

Nope.

[A]

Thanks for joining us. We really appreciate that. That's. Y' all know who. Two time Olympic gold medal, three time three division champ, five division world champ, undisputed heavyweight champ, 18, no record with three kosher Clarissa Shields. Thanks.

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