Nightcap Hour 2: Kyrie Irving COOKING at Top 100 Camp + Los Angeles Sparks BEAT Storm + Brittany Sykes GOES OFF For Toronto Tempo + Patrick Mahomes LANDS $500M CONTRACT + DeShaun Watson on BROWNS Fans NOT Supporting Him + AJ Brown CLAIMS He’s BEST WR ...

Summary

Nightcap – Hour 2: NBA Finals Collapse, Mahomes’ $500M Extension, WNBA Highlights & More (June 11, 2026)

Episode Overview

This loaded episode of Nightcap with Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, and ISO Joe Johnson (“Unc,” “Ocho,” and “ISO”) captures the immediate, raw reactions to an explosive night in sports: the Knicks’ historic comeback over the Spurs, discussion on Kyrie Irving at the Top 100 Camp, Brittany Sykes’ WNBA heroics, Patrick Mahomes’ record contract, Deshaun Watson’s Cleveland future, and wild NFL WR debates. Packed with candid banter, expert breakdowns, and memorable lines, this “nighttime sports talk destination” brings fans inside the moment as legends react.

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1. Kyrie Irving Domination at the Top 100 Camp

[03:49–07:56]

Key Points:

• Kyrie Irving ran a "Can You Guard Kyrie?" Challenge at the camp.
• All hosts marvel at Kyrie’s otherworldly handle and finishing ability, especially up close.
  • “He’s probably the greatest ball handler and finisher at the rim of all time.”
    — ISO Joe (04:15)
• Ocho and Joe break down why Kyrie is great despite not being the most explosive athlete:
  • Uses angles, manipulates defenders, always plans multiple counters ahead.
  • “He got too many tricks in his bag.” — Ocho (05:08)
• Conversation turns to Kyrie’s future:
  • Debate on whether Dallas should keep or trade him, and what playing alongside Cooper Flagg could look like.
    “You probably could get you some, you know, maybe some more good young talent to go along with Cooper.”
    — Ocho (08:24)

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2. WNBA Recap: Sparks’ Big Win & Brittany Sykes’ Breakout

[10:09–15:11]

Nneka Ogwumike’s Revenge Game:

• Nneka scores 24 for the LA Sparks against her former team, surpassing Rebecca Brunson on the all-time rebounds list.
• Discussion on her Olympic snubs despite all-time greatness.
  • “She can go now…She’s never been on an Olympic team?” — Ocho (10:44)
• Sparking debate about WNBA generational talent and Olympic team politics.

Brittany Sykes’ Statement Game:

• Sykes drops 38 points for Toronto Tempo in a massive OT win; 13-for-13 from the line.
  • “She had 38 tonight? That girl got 13, a perfect from the free throw line...” — Joe (14:30)
• Ocho shares personal connection, hails Sykes as “real game,” and Tempo’s promise as a new franchise.

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3. NFL: Patrick Mahomes Gets the Bag

[15:11–20:02]

Record Contract:

• Chiefs extend Patrick Mahomes to 2033: $504 million, first NFL contract over half a billion.
• “You understand the importance and the value of Patrick Mahomes, and you’re not paying him for what he’s done—you’re paying him for what he’s going to do.”
  — ISO Joe (15:57)
• Ocho concurs, says Chiefs had “no way in hell” to let Mahomes leave.

Quarterback Value:

• They explain how a great QB transforms a franchise and why the high salary is non-negotiable.

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4. QBs and MVP Standards: The Lamar Jackson Discourse

[20:08–24:54]

The Lamar-Lens:

• Lamar is held to a 'different standard' compared to peers, due to his two MVPs without a Super Bowl trip—which puts him in rare historical company.
  • “All of those guys [with two MVPs] have been to a Super Bowl… That’s why they hold Lamar to a different standard.”
    — Joe (20:51)
• If Lamar gets to—and wins—a Super Bowl, not only is the “monkey off his back,” but he enters NFL legend territory.
  • “If he wins it… it’s raps. He can play freely.” — ISO Joe (22:39)
  • Allude to Steve Young, who said “get that monkey off my back” after winning his Super Bowl. (23:05)

Quarterback Contracts:

• Comparisons to Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert—all getting team-defining money but with slightly different standards.

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5. Browns QB Drama: Deshaun Watson vs. The Fans & Shadur Sanders

[29:40–33:41]

Deshaun’s Outlook:

• Watson delivers a diplomatic answer about fans potentially preferring Shadur Sanders. Ocho and ISO dismiss the noise:
  • “You haven’t given the Browns or fans anything to cheer about… this is make-or-break year.” — ISO (30:08)
• They agree: if Watson wins, fans embrace him; if not, love for Shadur will take over.

Memorable Exchange:

• “We’ve been bad for 30 years and they supported other quarterbacks. If they win games, they’re gonna support it.”—Joe (31:43)

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6. AJ Brown & "Best Ever" Wide Receiver Claims

[33:41–41:01]

AJ Brown’s Swagger:

• AJ Brown calls himself “the best to ever play here” before leaving the Eagles—sparks heated GOAT debate.
• Hosts respect the confidence, but quickly bring up Terrell Owens (T.O.) and DeSean Jackson:
  • “You’re not the best receiver to play there…T.O. was a different animal.”—Joe (34:45)
  • “You gotta separate the antics… You cannot deny his talent.”—ISO (37:32)
• Reiterate T.O.'s rare all-pro status on three different teams and underappreciated greatness.
• Ocho/ISO praise Brown’s “necessary” confident mindset for success, if not the historical claim.

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7. NBA Finals: Spurs’ Collapse vs. Knicks Epic Comeback

[41:01–82:51 (throughout show)]

Breakdown & Blame:

• Knicks storm back from 29 down, OG Anunoby wins it with a tip-in (1.2s to go, 80:36).
• Coach “Ms. Johnson”: The panel eviscerates Spurs coaching for allowing the collapse—poor timeouts, bad game/clock management, and no adjustments.
  • “Everything that could go wrong went wrong for the Spurs… their coach pushed all the wrong buttons…” — Joe (80:36)
• De'Aaron Fox’s infamous fast-break decision to take a layup instead of running down the clock becomes central:
  • “You do not want that pressure down the stretch… I’ve seen guys run from that ball.”—Ocho (58:56)
  • “He did not want to shoot no free throws, bro…” — Ocho (58:56)
• Comparison to Super Bowl 51 (Atlanta’s collapse vs. Pats) and debates whether coaching or youth is most to blame.
  • “Sometimes, you can give your players too much credit… The average age is 25… Never been in this situation.” — Joe (61:03)

Strategy Critique:

• Spurs’ bad shot selection, not milking the clock, and poor rebounding fundamentals.
• “They were so stingy in the first half…but at the end of the third, that fourth quarter, I don’t know what happened.” — Ocho (69:13)

Key Quotes:

• “LeBron ain’t gonna let ‘em come back like that…he’s gonna control the game.” — Joe (72:06)
• “If it goes 4-3, you’re gonna look back and say…we up 29 points.” — Joe (70:16)

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8. Other Notable Segments & Fun Moments

Video Game Smack Talk

[50:07–53:15]

• Ocho and ISO get heated challenging each other to gaming showdowns in 2K, Madden, FIFA, and even IRL basketball.
  • “He play for recreational purposes, I play as a way of life, to survive, to pay bills.”—ISO (52:19)
  • “He could get this work.”—Ocho (52:24)

Food & Cookout Chatter

[67:19, 79:34]

• ISO and Ocho recommend soul food spots (“Besties Table” in Indianapolis).
• Fans suggest a “Nightcap cookout,” sparking a debate about bringing dessert to the party (“This man talking about bringing chocolate cake to a cookout!” — Joe, 79:37).

Wide Receiver Debate

[77:54]

• Reggie Wayne vs. Hines Ward—Ocho: “As Hines, he does the little things really, really well…He played with a smile, boy.”

Closing

• “The Knicks are one win away from their first title in 53 years thanks to a 107-106 come-from-behind victory. … Everything that could go wrong went wrong for the Spurs…” — Joe (80:36)

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TIMESTAMPS OF IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

| Segment | Start Time | |-----------------------------------------|------------| | Kyrie’s Camp “Can You Guard Kyrie?” | 03:49 | | WNBA: Sparks & Sykes/Toronto Tempo | 10:09 | | Mahomes $500M Contract Reaction | 15:11 | | Lamar Jackson/Elite QB Standards | 20:51 | | AJ Brown/GOAT Eagles WR Debate | 33:41 | | NBA Finals: Spurs-Knicks Analysis | 41:01 | | Fox’s End-of-Game Gaffe | 58:41 | | Ocho/ISO Gaming Challenge Banter | 50:07 | | Cookout & Food Talk | 67:19, 79:34| | Reggie Wayne vs. Hines Ward | 77:54 |

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TONE & STYLE

• Raw, unfiltered, humorous, and candid.
• Real athlete insight and sideline perspectives.
• Frequent use of sports metaphors, playful boasting, and friendly jabs.

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SUMMARY FOR NEW LISTENERS

This episode is a high-energy debrief of a wild night in sports:

• NBA: Knicks’ epic comeback and Spurs’ meltdown dissected play-by-play, with no-nonsense analysis of strategy, coaching, and mental toughness.
• NFL: Patrick Mahomes gets $500M—the hosts explain why he’s worth every penny and why MVP QBs are graded differently.
• WNBA: Shoutouts to Nneka Ogwumike and Brittany Sykes for making history.
• Big Debates: AJ Brown's GOAT WR claim in Philly gets thoroughly debated, with respect and hard stats.
• Fun Bites: Video game trash talk, cookout planning, and food recs round out the show’s trademark community feel.

Notable Quotes:

• “He got too many tricks in his bag.” — Ocho (05:08)
• “You’re not the best receiver to play there…T.O. was a different animal.” — Joe (34:45)
• “LeBron ain’t gonna let ‘em come back like that.” — Joe (72:06)
• “He did not want to shoot no free throws, bro.” — Ocho (58:56)
• “He could get this work. That’s what his ass gonna get.” — Ocho (52:24)

Walk away from this Nightcap episode laughing, learning, and ready to watch (or bet on) the next game.

Transcript

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[Joe]

Kyrie Irving was going crazy at the top 100 camp. They, they had a can you guard Kyrie challenge. Check this out. Three, two,

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

One.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

You know, it's funny, it's one thing to be able to see Kyrie do this to the NBA players on the court. Being able to manipulate them, get them going way, get them going one way and use their leverage and their momentum against him. Yeah, he's one of the best, the best handles one of the best finishers. Right hand, left hand, it really doesn't matter. He can get to any spot on the floor whenever he wants to get to it. And what I like about this drill, what he was doing with those players is for one, he's going to always be two or three steps ahead of everybody else and having a plan in his head and what he wants to do with the ball to be able to create that separation, man, he's one of the best. So to be able to see him with those at his camp, man, it's dope to be able to see it like that up close and personal as opposed to from tv, you know, watching at home. But being able to see exactly how he's able to execute that stuff, man. Hey, Kyrie, obviously, I'm sure no one would argue the fact that he's probably the greatest ball handler and finisher at the rim of all time.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hey, you, you, you, right oo. I think Kyrie out there using them boys cone drills. Hey, hey, he, he, he, he, he just, he got that ACL back right oo. He out there tested against them young boy, cuz he already know he two, three steps ahead of them, you know, mentally, physically. They can't, they, they, they, they too many years behind to be able to even guard him. He knows and understand that. But what makes him so great is at his size, he's never gonna be the fastest, he's never gonna be the most explosive. None of that. It's angles, bro. He know how to take and use angles and use his body to create contact or to play or to play off contact. He knows how to cut you off in the peek and roll, you know, he has a. Obviously one of the greatest handles we've probably seen. And he understands and knows how to manipulate the defender in front of him, bro. How to get by you. He got too many tricks in his bag.

[Joe]

He's a guy that, he's thinking, okay, this is what I'm gonna do. But if he does this, this my counter yeah, does that. This is my counter. If he does this and then this here's my counter. So he's always got a. He's always got a counter to your counter. And like you said, look, he knew what he was doing. Why would he ever make Kyrie Irving 6, 7 with that? The hell he already, if you look at it, he already can post.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

He can already play with his back to the basket.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Now, okay, you give him the ball at the top of the key. What you gonna do? That's why they put the ball in his hands and this. And when they got that switch, because they knew Golden State was going to switch everything. And he's like, okay,

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

yeah, big bing tray ball.

[Joe]

And what, what do you already know? In, out, hop, side, bam. He gonna get to that. That's his shot.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey. That boy gonna be looking to, to get back in that conversation when that season start back up next year. Meaning, like being one of the top guards. I already know he gonna come back.

[Joe]

He is.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, you talk about the guy. He's a 50. 40, 30. A 50, 40, 90 guy. He can shoot 50 from the floor, 40 from the three, he can 90 from the free throw line. Oh. I mean, he's a three level scorer.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

A guy that, that, I mean, yeah, he could dunk, but you talking about a guy that doesn't play above the rim. Nobody can finish below the rim like he can. The angle in which he could. The. The English in which he could put on the basketball.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Nobody, my boy.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Nice. Be nice and please.

[Joe]

He is, he is ridiculous.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Hold on.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

What's happening, Joe?

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

You know Kyrie gonna be with Dallas next year still, huh?

[Joe]

Well, I see, I. I see, I see. I think there's a greater chance that they trade him than keep him. What you think, Joe?

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

I just think he'll feel so great playing with Cooper. Cooper Flag. He'll take some of that pressure off of him, but he, he probably has so much value right now.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

That you probably could get you some, you know, maybe some more good young talent to go along with Cooper. I don't know, man.

[Joe]

Running back with him and Katie in Houston, Would I.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Hey, they were missing the point, but they got to get rid of. What, he gonna go to Dallas.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

You saying, like take Sin Kyrie to Houston?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

And Van Fleet over, over to Dallas.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Well, that'll be nasty.

[Joe]

First round draft picks. Because I. Look, the thing is, do I think? Do I think. Look, it's two dookies. Number one overall Pick do I think they can play together. I think Kyrie would welcome that. But the question is if you're gonna make this Cooper flags team,

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

I think for Dallas. Hell you didn't gave up Luca. Ain't no way in hell you gonna give up Kyrie. You don't have to keep some. You don't have to keep some type of star power now at least you're gonna have to give him at least this year.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah, you're gonna have to at least give him a year.

[Joe]

But it looks good two years removed. He, he, he 100% healthy.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

You see, hey, you see how he come through that lane? Slow stepping,

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

moving like that. Change the pace.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

He got it.

[Joe]

Neko Guma K scores 24 points against her former team to help the sparks meet the storm. 88. 83. Neca scored a season high 24 points. She grabbed nine rebounds and to move in the fourth place in the WNBA career list. Passer Rebecca Brunson. Kelsey Plum had 19 points, 11 assists. Cameron Brink had 15 points off the bench and get her to be as great as she is. I don't think she's ever been on an Olympic team. Joe.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Who a boomer? Gay?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Really?

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I don't think so.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

She can go now.

[Joe]

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Because you know, most of the time they had Brittney Griner, they had Tina Charles, they had a serial fouls. I think CP Candace Parker made it and now they. Then they went to Stewie and then they went to Asia Wilson. So I don't, I don't, I don't know. Joe. KP was 6 or 17. 2 of 9 from the 3. 5 of 8. She's rusty coming back off of that. Coming back off of that ankle injury.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Cameron break. I'm looking at five or seven. Erica Wheeler had 10 points.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

But what's the LA Sparks? What's their record, huh?

[Joe]

Six and six.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Six and six. All right.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Hey, the W. NBA 82. What was WNBA. How many games they play?

[Joe]

They go play like 40 something mocho in the 40s, I think.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yes. It's in good hands. The girls game moving in a. It's moving in.

[Joe]

I don't, I don't. If I'm not off the top of my head, I don't remember her being on the Olympic team. I don't think I said they're big normally. Obviously the last couple of the last two it's been Stewie and Asia.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

With bg.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And then you had Sylvia fouls and then you had BG on That squad cp. I think she was on one. What about Della D. What did Elon Del Dela?

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah, she could play.

[Joe]

You know, she transferred out of Yukon. She'd have been there with Maya Moore.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Oh, no, I didn't know that.

[Joe]

Yes, she had. She had a. If I'm not mistaken, a special needs sister.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

She wanted to be. She wanted to be close with herself.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

So she left him. She went back. I think she's from Delaware.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, can you imagine her and Maya more on the same team? Joe and Ocho man.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hey, girls. Hey.

[Joe]

I don't know if I'm not mistaken, I think Tina Charles was there too.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah, hold on, hold on. Is she still playing though? Della Don still.

[Joe]

She retired? No, she retired. Yeah, she had injuries, I think her knees. Yeah, yeah, but she. She could get shade.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

She was.

[Joe]

Oh, she could get it.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yes, sir. She could.

[Joe]

Flat out scored a basketball.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Elena Delladon.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah. Not Della Dover Delan. But congrats, Neca. Brittany Sykes matches a career high with 38 points. The expansion Toronto Temple outlast the Sun 106, 102 in OT. The Temple won the fourth time in five games. They trail by 14 points in the second quarter. The sky was 13 to 13 from the free throw line, making four in the final one point or one. One minute and 19 seconds of regulation. Marina Marbury added 21. Man, I check out the tempo. I mean, you know, I. I know they're a new, you know, new team, Joe, but I hadn't really, really had a whole lot of. Played a whole lot of attention to him.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hold on. My girl Sykes, when went off, she, she. I don't know if she live out here in Atlanta, but I know what was me and her working out at together. We was working out of the gym together. She done went off with what? She had 38 tonight.

[Joe]

38? Yep. That girl got 13A perfect from the free throw line. Marina Marbury had 21, Saali. Had15.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Poor 2 and 12 temple not doing too bad to be an expansion team.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Now they ain't. Brittany can go though. Real talk. She can play. Yeah, like she got some real game. She had 38 tonight. She has. She got some real game.

[Joe]

The next segment is brought to you by Tommy John where comfort is the new power move. According to Adam Schefter, the Chief pulled a power move, added two more years to Patrick Mahomes contract. Tied him to Kansas City through the 2033 season at a value at $504 million $75. $504 million $75. This will make Patrick Mahomes the first NFL player to have a deal worth over a half a billion dollars. When the new money kicks in, starting in 2027, Patrick Mahomes will earn an average of $64 million a year. And if I'm not mistaken, the first four years of that contract is guaranteed. Oh, Joe, are you surprised the Chiefs gave Mahomes this type of money coming off the serious injury that he suffered just last season?

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. You understand the importance and the value of Patrick Mahomes, and you're not paying him for what he's done, what he's already done. You're paying him what he's going to do moving forward. Patrick Mahomes right now, arguably still while active, probably his top five, top three, depending on who you ask quarterbacks to ever play this game. And, you know, as long as he's healthy, as long as he's there, he always gives you a chance to win. K. Your Kansas City Chiefs are going to always be in contention. You understand how important your quarterback is, especially that position. If you look at some of the other teams, look at the landscape, some of the other teams that are continuing to struggle year in and year out, it's because they don't have any.

[Joe]

Any consistent play at that position to

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

play at that position. Once you get your quarterback, Joe, especially when you get one this good and you're able to build around them and put pieces around him and allow things to flow through him, it makes everything else easy. And a quarterback like Mahomes is one. You don't have a problem having to make 64 million a year because you know what he gives you in the season and in the postseason.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hey, I agree.

[Joe]

Go ahead, Joe.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

I agree. I. I think Mahomes, he will continue to be one of the top quarterbacks in NFL and for Kansas City, there's no way in hell, you know, you, you. You let him get out of there. So you take care of him, bro. You know what I mean? And I think, you know, with him at the helm, hell, you always gonna have a great chance.

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Always.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

It don't surprise me.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Always.

[Joe]

And guess what? And the funny thing, Remember, they moved, Joe. They moving. They go into this new arena. How did that happen? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 151 5.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You was in five of the last seven. The five of the last seven Super Bowls. How did that happen? You do realize they didn't want. I mean, who did they beat? The Vikings? I think they beat the Vikings in 70 and then it was 50 plus years before they even got back to another one. Yeah, and why was that?

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Right?

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

1 5.

[Joe]

Yeah, he good. He's as good as advertising. I didn't think he was gonna do this. I mean, I watched him. I only. I saw two games. I saw him that night. Him and Baker Mayfield lit this guy up and he threw for damn near 800 yards.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah,

[Joe]

and, and I saw him in another game, but I remember watching him. I watched him one time he played the Broncos the last game of the season. They rested their starters and he lit the Broncos up. Yeah, I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, Alex Smith, you gone? I said yeah, yeah, yeah, you, you gone. You gone. Yeah, yeah, you. You're not gonna be there next year. And, and he's been. They saw something that they like Andy and Brett say, look, because think about it. Andy says, we're really good. I mean we're winning 10, 11, 12 games a year with Alex Smith. But just imagine if we had a guy that would really push the ball down the field. Cuz Alex Smith didn't really want to push the ball down the field. We called him. Well, I gave him the name check down Alex. Cuz he was looking to check the ball down. He wanted high completion percentage. Yeah, he, he ain't throwing, hey, at the end of the half, Joe, he ain't throwing that ball. He shaking that ball down. He ain't going, hey, cut the incompletion. Go against my completion percentage. Go, go against my quarterback rating. Mahomes firing it. Look at the offense. You don't care when you got that guy that can push it down the field and can make those throws like my homeboy can.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Joe Homes give you hell, man, because you, you, you look at a quarterback and what he's able to do, you look at his strengths and weaknesses, but you always want to play for your strengths. Mahomes don't really have a weakness. He can be on the center, he can play in the gun. You can roll him left, he can roll him right, he can, he got a mo. He can throw in multiple, multiple slots when it comes to angles and being able to reach the ball, anything. And the fact that, okay, he's coming off a torn acl, well, hell, he can still do everything else from the pocket. It's not like he was Michael Vick, not like he was Lamar Jackson. He can run and still be a dual threat quarterback, but he can do everything else extremely well as well.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah, I'm excited for him, bro. You know, hey, hey, anytime they get these guys, they Money, man. They deserve it. Hey, man, kudos to you, brother.

[Joe]

Most of the time, quarterbacks are the only position. They don't have to fight for it. More times than not, they're going to take care of the quarterbacks.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah, well, except for number eight. Matter of fact, he still.

[Joe]

I don't know what that.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

I ain't gonna bring it up. I ain't gonna bring it up. I'm just saying he fighting for it right now. Behind.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Y' all know what it's about. Y' all know it's about. What you mean?

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah, you're right.

[Joe]

I mean, I. I don't. I don't know why. I don't know what else he can do. I mean, he hasn't done any less than some of these other quarterbacks and they ain't got no problem getting any money. He said. I know, I know. If y' all want to compare me to the okay, I get that. And I. I get it. Oh, Joe. To agree. I understand. Because what you and I have talked about Joe, before we join. I said tell o. I said Joe OO they hold Lamar to a different standard because he has two MVPs.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

All the other quarterbacks that have at least two MVPs have gotten to a Super Bowl.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Whether they want or not is something entirely. We can discuss that a later date in time. You talk about Peyton Manning, talk about Tom Brady, talk about Brett Farbs, talk about Aaron Rodgers, talk about Joe Montana. You talk about what's the guy Kurt Warner, Steve Young. Those are the guys that have multiple MVPs. Think about the guys that I named. Y' all heard the list.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

That's why they Jehole Lamar different than Josh Allen. Different than what they hold Joe Burrow. Jeopardy. What they hold Justin Herbert because they don't have. He gets compared to those other guys. That's why they don't compare Josh Allen to Steve Young and Joe Montana and Joe and Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers. Because he doesn't have two MVPs.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Right.

[Joe]

That's why.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah. You know what, too? And Joe, you know, can you think about it now that now you're lumping Josh Allen in that conversation? He might not have two, but he does have one. So now his expectations are held to a different.

[Joe]

He gets held to a different standard with the Trevor Lawrence. He gets held to a different story standard. But think about it. Ocho only by sickness, I mean, who else? Johnny Union. You talk about eight guys. You talking about pantheon guys that have multiple MVPs. Lamar Jackson has that and all of those guys have been to a Super Bowl. So that's why people are so critical or harsh on Lamar. Because they bro. They like, bro. You realize of in 100 plus years, they're probably not but 10 quarterbacks that have multiple MVPs, and you're the only one that haven't went to the Super Bowl. He gets to a Super bowl even if he doesn't win. But if he wins it.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Oh, it's raps. He can play freely. I call it playing.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yes.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

You get that monkey back, you ain't got nothing to worry about. Because I've already. What everybody is criticizing.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yes.

[Joe]

I don't know if you guys remember, but when Steve Young won the super bowl, when they beat, when they beat the Chargers, he came to the sideline and what did he say? Get that monkey off my back.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Because he had two MVPs.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah, he had.

[Joe]

Couldn't get over. He couldn't get past the Cowboys. Yeah. All that completion, that high, that leading the league in completion percentage and quarterback rating and passer rating, winning MVPs, and he followed Joe.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah, that's some big shoes, man.

[Joe]

Hey, he come to the sideline and when he know the game is over and you see Gary Plummer like taking him off his back, you guys that win multiple MVPs, they get held to a different standard.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Because there's so few guys that have actually won that award multiple times. And so if he can now, that doesn't excuse Baltimore from giving me this damn money. I'm just talking about as, as we critique him. That ain't got, that ain't got ish right to do with him getting his bread. He's earned that damn deserve. He's earned it.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah. Pay that man, bro. Yeah.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

The fact that it's gonna take a little bit longer because obviously his representation is himself. And moms, they, they, they, they, they do, they do a great job. So they're gonna take a little bit long. Shoot, Josh might get one too before this Joshua.

[Joe]

Oh, Jaboro. I mean, Joe Burrow or Josh Allen. He just did it. He just redid it last year. Ocho.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Oh, so that mean Lamar's up there?

[Joe]

Yes.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Somebody, somebody would even. Even though Mahomes is in a bracket of his own.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

He's gonna see.

[Joe]

That's why, that's why they did Laar. That's why they did, homeboy. They don't, they don't judge him by somebody else.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

No, no, no.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

He, he, he, he resets the mark and everybody else follows the fight up to him. Oh, you know who else up to,

[Joe]

cuz? Justin Herbert got his. Trevor Lawrence got his.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Oh, Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield. Probably gonna probably get his. He's gonna go across that tick in a minute, too.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Buccaneers gonna keep him there? Yeah.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Oh, absolutely. He's not going nowhere. He ain't got nowhere. Yeah, he ain't going nowhere. You know, it's, it's a mecca Booker's time right now, so he gonna need a quarterback.

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[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

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[Joe]

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[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

You'll need a quarterback and Baker Mayfield has done phenomenal down there in Tampa.

[Joe]

Deshaun Watson spoke on the Browns fan base, potentially not supporting him over Shador Sanders. At the end of the day, I can't control who some people support. Those are their own opinions and all I can do is be the best person I can be and showcase who I am as a person, player and a teammate and what I represent as an individual. Outside of that, I can't focus on outside saying anything. Ocho yeah, what are you thinking? Hey, you agree or damn?

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

DeShawn had to say Excuse my language. Hey Uncle Joe. Damn that support. Damn that support right now. We brought you here for a reason. You know, the reasons we did bring you here. You haven't lived up to those expectations. But the money you've got that has been guaranteed, things that you do off the field, that upset, upsets some fans. And obviously, you understand what Shador brings to the table, looking at what he does off the field, in the energy he gives that team. But, DeShawn, you're being paid a hefty ransom. You haven't given the Browns fans anything or the organization to cheer about due to injuries. Rightfully so, due to injuries. But this year, it should make it a break a year. You're going to be the starting quarterback. It's not going to be a quarterback competition. I don't care about, you know, what the fans say, what the coaches say, who always want to be politically correct when they. When they ask questions about who your start is going to be. Deshaun Watson is going to be your starter, and it's going to be his job to lose. If he's not playing well by the time you get to Game 6, they're going to make that switch to Shador. And when that switch happens, it's not going back. Yeah, it's not going.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Listen, he can't do nothing about what. What. What the fans say or think about him and Shador, but all he has to do, man, is come out and play great football. At the end of the day, you ain't got to worry about all that other stuff, bro. You just got to come out and handle business. Now, I don't know if it's going to result in the wins, but you got to give him some hope here.

[Joe]

If he plays, I guarantee you they winning game, he throwing touchdowns.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah, they don't support him. Absolutely.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hey, but we.

[Joe]

We've been bad. They've been bad for 30 years, and they supported other quarterbacks. So if they win games, they're going to support it. Not everybody, but not everybody. And that's okay. Your job ain't there to be like. Your job is to win games.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hello.

[Joe]

Like you're in the process of you winning game. Oh, well and good. But if they don't. Oh, well and good, too.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Hey, if. If what you're doing on the field as a quarterback is resulting in wins, they're not gonna like you. They don't love you.

[Joe]

Right.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Because they've been starving for that. They've been starving for that consistency in the win. Calling.

[Joe]

Don't know how good he can be with what he Got to work with.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Hey, they didn't boss. You got Conception. Yeah. You know. Hey, what's the type? I love that goddamn tight end the right way.

[Joe]

Fanny.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Fanny.

[Joe]

Fanny Jr. Yeah.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Hey, man. Well, I like him.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

He tough. Ain't no joke.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Another year or two, he gonna be in that conversation with one of the better tight ends, maybe top five. With the way he's playing, if he. If he continues to play the way he played last year, he. Jerry, Judy, you got to come to hey, Jerry. This year you got. You got.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hey, hey, we. We talking about best case scenario for Deshaun Watson. But y'. All. Y' all know damn well if them. If them wins ain't adding up Shadura's love, he's beloved, bro. Them folks want to see Shadur now. Hey, they want to see number two. He didn't change his number to two.

[Joe]

The deuce is loose.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah. Wait, you see what he made on Jersey?

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

That they're alone. Let you know they want to see that boy out there. Yeah. Seventeen M's off of Jersey sales.

[Joe]

Yeah, 17.7.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Boy off Jersey. Mind you, off a team that really. They really wouldn't win just based on last name alone. So imagine if he get in there and change.

[Joe]

Man, check this one out. Don't you want to think about this? According to Mike Groffalo, NFL Network, when A.J. brown went to pick up his things at the Eagle facility, he signed a picture up of him in the building with the message, the best to ever play here. Always open the Browns.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

I like that.

[Joe]

Only 8th among all type eagles and receiving yards, sitting behind Harold Carmichael. Fellow past catchers, Zach Erics, Pete Retzlaff, Tommy McDonald, Bobby Walson, Ocho. Yeah, that was a really. A really, really weird interview last week where he says, you know, hey, I did what I did. Okay? But then you know about leaking stories and trying to get his teams motivated, but. Right, AJ before even ojo Goat, bro, I think you're phenomenal. You're not the best receiver to play there. You ain't. You ain't seeing to ever. I mean, ever.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

I mean, shoot. Hey, ain't nobody seeing conversations.

[Joe]

I think you're phenomenal. T.O. is one of the three best receivers in. T.O. ever play in the NFL. What are the three best. I ain't got him one. I ain't got him three either. I believe it in that. I think you're phenomenal. And you did an outstanding job in your tenure there. Y' all went to two Super Bowls. You won one, you were thousand yard receiver. You Went to the Pro bowl, but to. Was a different animal.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah. I mean, listen, A.J. brown is good for the times that we're in when it comes to playing at the.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

The.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

The position of receiver. At one. At one point, when the conversation of the best receivers in the NFL came up, uncle and Joe, you know, A.J. brown was top five. That one.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

We.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

We. Let's. Let's not forget that. Him not being coverable. He is right. There's really nothing you could do with him. You play off, he gonna dice you up. You can play. You can play in his face. He too strong. He running right through you playing.

[Joe]

You talking about T? You talking about A.J. okay, okay, okay.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

What he's been able to do, you know, when he's been in the conversations, when things were going well in. In. In Philly, he was. He was, you know, talked about being revered as one of the top five players in the game. Things kind of fell off a little bit. But he's still extremely good. And I love the fact that he still had this confidence to even say what he said. And he's supposed to believe that he's supposed to be. He believe he's the best that's played there. Now when. When you talk about facts and some of the. Some of the players that's played before him that's been there, obviously to rain range.

[Joe]

So what we gonna do with D.J. are we just gonna kick D.J. out? The.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

I was just getting ready to say Deshaun Jackson, when he was there, Desean Jackson, one of the best, you know,

[Joe]

one of the two or three greatest deep threat receivers to ever play. I mean, you can look at him, Bullet, Bob Hayes, you look at Randy Moss, you look at Reek, there ain't there hadn't been five better receivers at the deep ball better than D.J.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

right? Right.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

No, no, not at all. But in its totality, playing the position of receiver, I understand what he means. But then when. When we break it down, you know, in his totality, when it comes to receivers that are playing for the Philadelphia Eagles, a conversation needs to be had. But that doesn't take away how great he is when he was there.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

And how great he has to feel to be able to do what he's done.

[Joe]

I just don't know. I only know we having a conversation about number one, because for me, I don't know if he D. I mean, T and D. Jack.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, I think. I think the thing is, is that people allowed some of T's antics on the sideline and stuff. You know, Joe and oo I think that oh, they, they allowed that to overshadow. They don't. I don't think people realize just how good Tio was.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

I do.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

They don't. Well, you gotta, you gota. You gotta know football, you gotta, you gotta know ball. You gota. You gotta understand and be able to. To separate the antics you not liking personally. Hold on. This is the funny thing about it, Uncle Joe.

[Joe]

Hold on.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

How great he was on the back end when he came to Cincinnati. Brady was in Buffalo in his short st there.

[Joe]

What he did in Dallas, what he did in Philly. What he did in.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Man.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hey hey, hey. He broke his leg in Philly and came back and played in the. Yes.

[Joe]

And got, and got a 100 yo. In seven weeks he had 142, 229 for 122. But the mere fact that he had 100 yards of a broken leg in less than three months.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Like I said, I think sometimes we allow a person antics because even though, even though I, I'm. I'm. Look, ab's antics drove me crazy. But that don't take away what type of player that he was.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Right?

[Joe]

Hey, two things can be true. Somebody could be a jerk off the field and have boorish behavior on it. But his talent is undeniable.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yes sir.

[Joe]

No matter what you think of to his talent is undeniable. Every go look at every way he went. There's only been three guys that's ever been a first team all pro on three different teams. Deion Sanders, Ted Hendricks and Terrell Owens. There have been. Think about it. How many guys have played in the NFL. How many guys that have played on multiple, multiple teams. Only three.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yes.

[Joe]

Have been first team all pro on three different teams. Hey, go back and look even when Jerry, Jerry was still in his prime. Go back and look at to numbers back in 97, back in 98. Go look at his numbers. When Jerry was still putting up his numbers to had 14 touchdowns a year. Jerry was still putting up big time numbers. Yeah, y' all better stop playing with that man. You might not like some of his antics. You might not like some of the things that he said, but you cannot deny his talent. You cannot. The one thing I've. And the why the, the reason why I respected him so much. I always know he gonna give me everything he got. He what? He might get mad because he didn't get no. And I know as a defensive coordinator, I'm gonna double him early because I'm going to take him out of the Game because if he doesn't get the ball early, I already know how it's going to go and that's my job.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

I wanted to go sideways. I'm doing everything I possibly can. Don't you. To make it go sideways.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Hey, but, but, but honestly, Uncle Joe, to get back on context and what we. What we were talking about and to give people that in the chat, to give you perspective on the mindset of AJ Brown, saying what he said is one of the reasons why he is who he is is one of the reasons why he's still one of the better receivers in the league. There's a reason why he was in the conversation for being top five before things soured over in Philly. The mindset alone and actually believing I am the best. Even if we have a conversation and people in the chat have a conversation say, well, actually, no, you're not. It's the mindset and believing that I am.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

In general. First of how we feel about it. This is why he is as good as he is. This is why he was able to get the Philadelphia Eagles to a Super Bowl. Because of the mindset.

[Joe]

Oh yeah.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Two Super Bowls. I'm sorry, my bad.

[Joe]

Oh, Joe. Ben Gulliver and Joe, stop dear and Fox in the locker room and ask him about the decision to shoot the ball instead of run up the clock. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. I just thought I would be able to outrun him.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

That's it. How do you guys have them scored?

[Joe]

Should I get a layup? Get up three. Oh, she made a good block.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Was there anything different? He said he thought he could outrun him. See, in basketball, even if you the damn fastest, the court ain't but so damn big.

[Joe]

Thank you.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

You know you. I'm saying you, but you think you finna get the top speed. That man ain't gotta take but two steps. He gonna be right there on the damn fast right like. Bro, that don't make no sense, man.

[Joe]

You know what? Joe, did you say that? Oo, you know what it's like? It's like Tyreek Hill trying to. How fast can he run? If you. The ball's on the 10 yard line going in. So the further back Tyreek is right. The more I can use the speed.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Right.

[Joe]

But, but Fox in that situation, bro.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Hey, you know what? Despite what he just said, Uncle Joe, if he made him. You're not having this conversation.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Of course. Oh sure. That's just like saying all the time, even.

[Joe]

See, there it is. Right there. That's the thing, what I'm talking about. You see what happens? You see you results based. That's still the wrong play, even if he gets it. Hold on.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Okay. It's the wrong play. Game two again. Game three. Game three at that. Towards the end of the game. Remember that. That floater, that quick hit inside.

[Joe]

He had to take that shot to oo.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

He made.

[Joe]

He made in that situation. I give you the prime example. It's like a guy scoring a touchdown and then all of a sudden he give the team the ball back. And what did they do, Ocho? They go down, scored a touchdown, get a two point conversion and all you had to do was go down at the one yard line.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You see, the right play was to run to make them foul you.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Run time off the clock. The clock is your friend.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

He turned it into his enemy. That's. That's. Oh, that's. Oh, Lord. And see, that's what happens. We talk about this all the time, what we say, but we. What is it, Ocho? We won. What you talking about?

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

We won.

[Joe]

See, you accepted something in the win you never would in the loss.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

I had to learn that the hard way. But hey, Joe, this is hard one to overcome. Joe, this is a hard one to overcome.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yes, it is. It's gonna be tough.

[Joe]

The Falcons ain't been right since that was a decade ago.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

They built.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Hey, hey, hey, hey,

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

hey. After that, they built that Mercedes Benz stadium. It's nice too, the Mercedes Benz stadium. So nice. But boy, listen, they thought they would have been.

[Joe]

Yeah, but just imagine if you had no big old banner hanging down. Super bowl such and such champ Joe right there in the middle. They thought they was gonna be 28. Three, Joe. And guess what? What cost him the game, Ocho? Turnovers.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

And not. Hold on, not. And still passing the. The ball like you.

[Joe]

Like you behind.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah. Don't. Hey, hey. Don't. Don't say it.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Trying to extend.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hey, don't say it too loud, man. E foes still. Hey, they still hard pressed about that loss.

[Joe]

You ain't got to tell me that. I know. You gotta tell me.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hey, that was still steam. What?

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Hey.

[Joe]

It's time for our final save of the evening. It's time for Q and A.

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[Joe]

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[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

It's the rage bait.

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It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Joe]

If we got clear facts, maybe we could calm down a little bit.

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[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Damn,

[Joe]

Ocho. Spend some money, son. Next super bowl night. Get that five star one one time and hook your uncle and nephew up. You say Super Bowl, I guess you say the Knicks. The Super Bowl.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Right.

[Joe]

Guess this. You know he wants you to go ahead and pay for him and his son to go on a holl out there.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Okay. But a Super bowl in LA this week, this year, huh? Yeah, I got.

[Joe]

I got.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

I got some connections. That's so flat.

[Joe]

Champagne is a defensive liability. Coach trying to put him in for Harper to tell him not another three goes up.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah. Women if we ain't back there. I seen. Because he kept getting beat off the dribble. Giving up layups.

[Joe]

Yes. Yep. We need Nocho to be a ratings adjuster for NBA 2K27 LOL. Child, please.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah, I. I don't want to do no rating adjusted for any players in the NBA. I just want to let those that like to gamble and. And bet your money who's gonna win, you know, important games and playoff series. Now that's.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

I do. I need to hear. Running 2K. I need. I need to get on the.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

You know how to play.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Who me? Boy, I'm so. I'm so. I'm serious on 2K. You don't. I know you don't want none of this mess, man.

[Joe]

Ocho said he like that joke.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

That man can't play no 2k. I could beat him in Madden too. I got.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Time out. Time out. Time out. Listen, Joe, I'm about a lot of things, but what I'm not going to tolerate, I'm not going to tolerate disrespect and things that I'm really good at when it comes to that Stick.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hey, we're gonna have a game. Game off. Me and you, we're gonna play 2K. We'll play NBA, 2K. We're gonna play Madden. We're gonna play NCAA football.

[Joe]

Damn.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

All right, so you want him on all the game.

[Joe]

You want him on card, you want him with everything.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

That man pretty garbage. That man can't play no game, bro. That man ain't man.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Joe, do you understand? I. I stream on Twitch. I am a gamer. That's what I do.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

You put what you playing FIFA? You playing FIFA.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Oh, FIFA Mad. I mean.

[Joe]

What do you mean?

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

I'm a part of Madden for a reason. I'm gonna develop in the game. Not just the race.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

You probably just cause you just cause you doing the ratings. That don't mean you can play.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

No, no, no, no, no. I'm a developer. In the game, when you read the

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

credit mean you can play, though. It don't mean your stick work like that, bro.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

My stick work? I've been playing mad since 1988 on Sega Genesis.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

I ain't never seen none of your work. I don't think you're that good.

[Joe]

That's all I there because you're not

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

in the gaming world. You're not part of.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Well, send me your gamer tag. I bet y' all tag you up.

[Joe]

Damn right. That man requested your tag.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Damn. Talking.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

I'mma send it to him. He probably gonna stand me up like he did when I was in Atlanta. He probably gonna stand me up, you know, probably. He probably ain't gonna accept my request. Yeah. Hey, hey, Joe. Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Sitting here talking. Talking, you know, spicy. About beating me in video games, which is something that I do. He played for recreational purposes. I play as a way of life, to survive, to pay bills, you know,

[Joe]

that's the way I'd be making money on that, Joe.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Huh?

[Joe]

He said he'd be making money on that.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

They don't care nothing about that man making no money. He could get this work. That's what his ass gonna get.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Hey, Joe, you can't even beat me

[Joe]

in your own damn.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Huh?

[Joe]

He can't beat you in 2k. He can't beat you in 2k. Ocho.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

No, he can't beat me in real life. Basketball.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Come on, come on, come on. Keep it 100. Come on.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah. I ain't keeping nothing. 100. Now, you ran for me when I was in Atlanta, so that let me know you scared. Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

Okay. All right.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Okay. I came to your city to see what you own, to see what you about. And what you did, you tuck your tail and ran.

[Joe]

Hell.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

In due time, young man. In due time.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah, that's what they all say. You knew. Hey, hey, Uncle. He knew that and he wasn't healthy. Because when I saw him, the first thing I would say, let's go hit the gym. You knew. Yes, sir.

[Joe]

The spurs kept making dumb mistakes in the third quarter. Trust. First winning game five so the NBA can set up a finish at nyc. Y' all need to be there. Game six. Nah. Yeah, nowhere. I ain't spending that kind of money to watch no game.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

I ain't.

[Joe]

It ain't happening.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Me neither.

[Joe]

I watch the game better here on my tv.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah. Hey, hey. No interruptions. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

And then I gotta. I mean, think about it. I have to leave at the half in order to get back to the hotel. Because ain't no way I could leave in the third quarter in New York and make it back to the hotel before.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

No, that ain't happening.

[Joe]

And to spend that kind of money and have to leave, I'm good.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Cool.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Organize. So Steaming and Ocho kicking back, smoking on the alien pack. No, Ash is the one, because Ash is from San Antonio. So Ash is really.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Oh, man.

[Joe]

Work tonight. Oh, y' all know Ash ain't here tonight.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

She didn't come here.

[Joe]

Hey, hey. It's all right, Ash.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

It's all right.

[Joe]

I'm sorry, Ash. I had to dive you out.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah, I feel the same way.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Y' all shouldn't feel bad. It's just because y' all don't respect my. My analysis.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hey, damn your analysis in your NBA takes.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Hey, listen, I know, I know, you know, some people, they want me to sit here and break the game down and, you know, talk about X's and nose and. And picks and pull ups and pop outs and all that. I don't do all that. I'm gonna tell you who gonna win and who gonna lose.

[Joe]

That's it.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

And I've been right every time.

[Joe]

Spurs need a dog like ISO to get a bucket and win. Lastly, Ocho and ISO are hall of Famers. Kiss the baby.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hey, I appreciate you, but all they have to do, bro. When? When. Especially in that third quarter when things was getting a little out of whack. Maybe Fox needed a damn break cause he turned it over too many times in a row that led to them buckets. And next thing you know, that 29 point lead was down to 15. So fast, bro, going into the fourth. And it's just, I. I'm still in disbelief. Fellas, I ain't gonna lie to y'. All.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Hey, I'm not well.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

I was gonna come on here like Joe Clark from Lean on Me. Yeah. You smoke crack, don't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't believe.

[Joe]

I can't believe. Oh, man. Hey, would you ever. Would you rather live in Houston for a decade or eat booty once a week for two years straight? What?

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Hey. Huh? How's it going?

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hold on.

[Joe]

Jordan, I sure hope you got a lease month to month, cuz we about to move to Houston. Hold on. Hey, I sure hold your lease on a month to month. Oh, you got to break that.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

That's funny.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hey, damn.

[Joe]

Oh, you gotta stop calling that man Anunovi. OG. Anunoby. That's his name. Anunoby. You'll get over. He know. You know who I'm talking about. If the best college football team or basketball team plays the worst NFL and NBA team 10 times, will they win one game? They gonna get broke up.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

I hate. I hate when people make that comparison. And that's just basketball. I hate when people say, oh, Alabama could beat.

[Joe]

Could beat the Cleveland Browns. This team could beat Notre Dame, could beat the Bengals. Okay.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

And they get. They self hurt, man. They self hurt.

[Joe]

That says, jason, I'm. I'm trading Fox. As soon as the season ends, win

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

or lose, you can be trading, man.

[Joe]

You think they're gonna be able to trade it?

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

No. His money gonna kick in next. Next year.

[Joe]

It's gonna kick off somebody. It's gonna kick off somebody else payroll.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Nah, look, I mean, y'.

[Joe]

All.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Y' all both said it. I mean, brother Harper gonna have to be inserted into that lineup next.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah, I think they're gonna take champagne over sale. One of them gonna go to the bench. But that.

[Joe]

That.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

That.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Them three, if. If. If Fox still there, I can see all three of them starting that three guard rotation.

[Joe]

Yeah, but that makes you so small, though, Joe.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Well, how you gonna keep this young man on the bench?

[Joe]

I told you to trade him. You told me I was crazy back then.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

You talking about.

[Joe]

I broached that something to you way back when. You said by trading the Fox. And you told. And you told me. Nah, I say. Oh, I said, joe, he too good, man. How you gonna keep the man coming off the bench?

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

That's what I'm saying. He played bigger than his size. So he can play the. The three or the two. Him and Castle gonna. I just think with Fox still being there, man, you gonna have to Find some momentous for Harper. I'm sorry, man. I agree. And he can play and he play well off both of them. He can catch and shoot. You can give him the ball. He can operate in ISO. Get you a bucket like. He just got so much in his game, bro. He. It's hard to keep that man on the bench. It is.

[Joe]

I coach an eight under AAU team and they know if we. If we're up one with five seconds left and we get a steal under our basket, we dribble the ball out. Fox blew it at the end.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yes.

[Joe]

It's simple, Joe. It is so simple.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

I told you. I told you on Ocho. I don't. He's saying he thought he could beat that man and get a layup. He did not want to shoot no free throws, bro. Hey, everybody do not. Hey, listen, they'll say the right things, but everybody don't want that pressure down the stretch. Uncle Ocho, I promise you. I haven't seen it, bro. I seen guys run from that ball. I seen guys didn't want nothing to do with it. Yeah.

[Joe]

Y' all got a live stream from the ticker tape array. You ever get a chance to do that with the Knicks again in your lifetime, Fox. Ms. Johnson, I don't know what to say, bro. Fox f up all the playoffs and he a max player.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

No, he get.

[Joe]

Hold on, hold on.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Let's. Let's not act like he can't play now. He can play.

[Joe]

Yes.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

There's a reason he got that.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, Fox can play.

[Joe]

He's.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

He's an all star. I think he'd been an all Star before anyone.

[Joe]

I think so.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah, he's been.

[Joe]

Was he one last year? I mean, what, two? I mean, not last year, but the

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

year before in Sacramento. Let's see. In one of the years in Sacramento, I think he made the all star team, but he a hell of a player. Now, don't let's not get it twisted. He didn't just, you know, he didn't made some. Some bonehead mistakes down the streets, but for the most part,

[Joe]

yeah. Whoo. That's the thing, though, Joe boy. They. They remember stuff like this. I. I mean, you know, I mean, you know, this. This f. I mean, he's a two time NBA All Star. 23 and 26.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

To be a two time All Star. To make a play, like to do. To do that. The spurs were out, coach. Can't blame the spurs players. I can. I can blame everybody, and I did. Yeah.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Ms. Johnson for letting him Go on that run and not calling time out. I. I think he gave. I think sometimes don't you know you can give your players too much credit? Oh, you know, they'll figure it out, bro. They 20. The average age is 25. Your two best players are 22. And they've never been in a situation like this. And I understand Castle has won NCAA championships, but NCAA championships and finals are two different things.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Damn.

[Joe]

And, and, and Ms. Johnson, you've had to. You, you, you. You've coached your ass off. You, you're more than. You're more than earned the right to coach the Spurs. But you blew it tonight. And that's okay to say. Whoo. Is right. Spurs play dumb ball. Mitch is so inexperienced. Remember the Bucks in 20, 21, but Giannis got them over the hump after a bad coaching all series.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Right?

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I said before, I said this before. Fox is the spurs downfall. Bench Fox, then find the guard next season or try to. Kyrie Wimby needs another ball handler with him. You have to give up too much. You'd probably. I mean they're gonna. Nah, they're gonna walk. They're gonna want a. A Castle.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yep.

[Joe]

First round pick.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

They gonna make it. The way you don't. Where you ain't get. Nah. Yeah, they stuck, bro.

[Joe]

And what we don't even notice is that Fox was one of the one that was supposed to guard OG on the last possession. This one hurt. Yeah, because ain't nobody blocked him out. Ain't nobody block out because he came

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

over the double and when he doubled, the shot went up. He never got nobody never boxed.

[Joe]

And. And normally what you know, they teach you to find somebody to box out.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yep.

[Joe]

He just watched the ball and give. Hey. And give OG credit cuz he's just like, well, hey, I'm way out here. But it's the same thing, Castle. Because when who missed that shot? I think it was Fox. Missed the shot.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah. Yeah. And Castle.

[Joe]

Castle came in from the side.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yep. Yep.

[Joe]

And got it.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yep.

[Joe]

The spurs only weakness is coaching. The spurs have won this game despite. The spurs have won games despite bad coaching.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Gotta break momentum, man.

[Joe]

Yeah. And sometimes, Joe, you don't let him make a run. You see you out of sorts. You up that many points and you just take bad shot after bad shot. Give me a time. Give me a time out. The hell are we doing?

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hey, hey, hey. Papa Vision will never let that happen, boy. Hell now, hey, Pop call. He'll use all them damn timeouts he got over there. You going on four old run. Timeout.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah,

[Joe]

it's how the run started is how the run is going. How you playing? Are you guys getting back on defense? Are you guarding your guy? Go ahead.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

OO I. I was just saying that the coach had to have got to have a feel for the game.

[Joe]

Yes.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

I mean, if you can see it at home, Joe, if you can see it, you played the game. Being a coach and knowing that another team is going on a run, you, you want to stop that momentum. How do you stop the momentum? Call timeout. Give me one real quick. Now, if you call that time out and you let everybody. I call it recalibrate, you know, and regroup, and you go back out there and everything start over and they, they still had that same momentum. Hell, you might have to call it again.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

They had them boys hearts, boy.

[Joe]

Yep. The actual turning point was Wimby's flagrant. And that's the actual run started. And that wasn't a flagrant file.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

It was.

[Joe]

He hit him in the chair. He didn't mean to. Man, they come. Go ahead.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Come on. Come on, uncle man, come on. They getting out of control with all these damn replays. Women can't. He just trying to get out the way, man, that man ain't doing.

[Joe]

All he's trying to do is get his arm over.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

That's it.

[Joe]

But they're gonna call it now, Joe, they get that if you touch that guy's chin, you get the file.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Especially when you sell it. When, when you sell it like you didn't got shot here. Yeah, yeah, you're right.

[Joe]

Ocho. Come on, brother. The Knicks didn't win the game. Spurs lost the game. Too many threes in the second. Why did Fox not hold the ball?

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

So I don't want it. So he said the Knicks didn't win the game.

[Joe]

The Knicks won the game.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Hey, Joe, when the game.

[Joe]

Who won the game?

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Come on, Joe, Come on, man.

[Joe]

I'm just asking.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

I'm talking about with the young fella. Just, just, just, just sit in the chat. You can say all. He should have held the boy. No, the game was won by the Knicks. This series is 3:1 going to San Antonio. And they're gonna win the game in San Antonio. And the confetti gonna fall out there in the stadium, huh? I'm telling you how it's gonna go.

[Joe]

Yo, when you see this replay, ain't no way in hell Fox thought he was gonna outrun OG Cause he right behind him the whole way.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

And the fact is that he's running so fast, he actually has to slow down.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

To lay the ball up. And that's what gave OG the opportunity. So he had no chance in hell

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

about running OG that's why I'm saying how he thought he was going to outrun him. It's only so damn fast. You can run. You got to slow down at some point. Yeah. We OG two steps away from the goal.

[Joe]

Thank you.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yes, sir. Hey, when the last time you've been to Indy?

[Joe]

Last. Last year. Yes.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Here.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Joe, you've been here before.

[Joe]

Kitchen.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Hold on, hold on. I got something. This I have no disrespect to. Country Kitchen.

[Joe]

Huh.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

They got a new spot just opened up. Black, owned by the name of Besties Table.

[Joe]

What's the name of it?

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Bestie's Table. Besties.

[Joe]

Okay.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Best Table. Hey, I think they've been open about two, three months right now. You know, right off the train tracks. I'm not sure what the street is. Boy, that food was what they got in there.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah. So. So soul food type style breakfast. I got the catfish.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yes.

[Joe]

This morning.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah, it was really good. I had to come out here to Indianapolis and with the NASCAR driver Ryan Blaney.

[Joe]

Okay.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

We. We did a few laps. We did a flaps on the course for. For a show he has going on. Hey, it was dope. It was dope. It was dope. I mean, on flight now. Hey, Unc, you in la? Are you in?

[Joe]

I'm back in Vegas.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Okay. Okay. Yeah. My flight. My flight again. Back to back. My flight is 6am I'm going to LA. I'm headed to LA.

[Joe]

Bad coaching on the spurs end. Didn't get his guy under control. Absolutely no coaching, Ms. Johnson. Games management leaves a lot to be desired.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

Nah. ISO. And keep it a hundred. This ain't over. Let's go, Spurs. I think it's. I think they come. I. I believe wholeheartedly that they're gonna. They're gonna be a game six. But, boy, we could have really had some type of series. Joe, if this thing. 2. Two going back to San Antonio.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Would have, could have, should have.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Damn.

[Joe]

Ocho put foots in him.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Oh, join. Did nothing.

[Joe]

Show late first should be leading this series. They just can't make too many boneheaded mistakes, especially in big moments. Greg Popovich wouldn't stand for this. Agreed.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Hey. First should. If I should have won the lottery.

[Joe]

If I'm the coach, I'm hollering, drive the ball. The whole second half will come sit down by me. The Same way I was Holly run the ball with the Falcons. I said this. I mean. I mean, I'm between the real time, you know, sometimes. Hey, okay, Captain Obvious. I said. Well, damn, ain't nobody else said it. Yeah, but I could just feel. I could, Joe. I could honestly, I could just feel this game slipping away from the Spurs.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

I know, man. They just. They just didn't have the same type of energy and effort that they had in that first half. When it came to moving that basketball and being on the stream defensively closing out the guys, continuous closeouts, they weren't giving up no damn wide open shots in that first half, bro. They were so stingy in that first half. And then it's like at the end of the third, that fourth quarter. I don't know what happened.

[Joe]

I don't know, Joe. I don't know. It's the word. Is this worse than the Falcons blowing the super bowl versus the pat? Well, here's the thing. They lost this game. This. They didn't lose the series.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Right.

[Joe]

Blowing that league cost them the game. So if. If. If they lose this series, let's just say for the sake of argument, they lose this series and they lose it 4. 3. Yeah. I think you're gonna look back and say, you know What? That game, four, we up 29 points.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

The players are good enough to get big leads. Is this coaching malpractice? I would fire him on the plane ride back to San Antonio. Let them nuns coach.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Hey, that's funny.

[Joe]

OG Is amazing. But the difference in MVP is Cat. The way he stretches the floor. Keep Wimmy's honest. 0 points or 30 points. I think the spurs have a higher upside than New York. But they didn't. But. But I didn't think they would play this stupid in the NBA Finals. Ocho, you picked Minnesota and cheering your team rivals. But you were right. Oh. Oh, Joe, I've been. I've been preaching this. We've been preaching this when they played the Thunder. Joe, they won the game. But I'm saying, I see. Playing like this is gonna cost you now.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Playing dumb basketball.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

You can't, bro.

[Joe]

I say. I said I'm watching them. And they shooting threes with 18 seconds on the clock.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

You're in the bonus and you're taking shots. You're not even trying to get the ball in the paint. You're trying to draw fouls. And then it just. It confused me.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah. And then you get an offensive rebound after offensive rebound. Steady jacking up threes. Damn. Let's milk this clock, bro.

[Joe]

Wendy did it three. They got three offensive rebounds kicked into women, and he shot a three. And each three was deeper than the previous one he shot.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I don't have much to say, but can you imagine if this was LeBron? Oh, that'll never happen.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Brian ain't gonna let him come back like that. Is a man.

[Joe]

No, because. Because he gonna hold the ball. He gonna control. The one thing that we know he can do is control. Control the game.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

He's not gonna pass you the ball to shoot it until about five seconds to go on the clock. So. Ain't gonna be no. Ain't no be no quick threes.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Oo. Got ice on. Feeling like Craig is smoking with Debo. Came around the cone on that red beach cruise, guys. Kelton Johnson is Lou Dork for the Spurs. Dude has not lived up to the six man award. He hasn't.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

He hasn't, bro.

[Joe]

Not played well.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hey, he be making some bonehead mistakes like that too. Sometimes I'm like, damn, man, what the hell he doing?

[Joe]

Nothing like a blind dog in a meat house. I love his effort, I love his energy. But, bro, every rebound you get, you don't have to put it back up. You can kick it out. You can.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hey, my thing is he can't be thirsty to score.

[Joe]

He be.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

It seemed like he be so thirsty to score that it kind of. It kind of keeps him off rhythm. I mean, if you gonna play hard, play hard. But one thing about it, bro, that ball will find you if you're in the right spots. But when you're searching and. And really trying to put your imprint on the game, it's just hard, man. Especially when it's kind of. When it seems as though you kind of predicating it off scoring. Like some of them offensive rebounds, bro, you supposed to kick them out. We supposed to be milking.

[Joe]

Ain't no chance he gonna make it.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Nah, you supposed to be making.

[Joe]

They're not giving and they're not giving you ticky tack files.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hell no. You run another 20 seconds off that clock, man.

[Joe]

And plus, the thing is, Joe, you say play hard, but see, he don't play smart. And that nullifies his playing hard.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Because guess what? He plays hard. And guess what he does. Turn the ball over.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Guess what? He plays hard. Guess what he does. Take an ill advised shot.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So you've canceled out the good that you've done.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Mm.

[Joe]

Flagrant 2 versus T wood. Flagrant 1, game 3. Flagrant won this game Women supposed to be suspended even leading even the league. Cheating Nicks up three one. Nah, bro, Nick, the league ain't cheating. Oh, OG for mvp. Like I said, it's gonna be very, very interesting.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Joe, if he can put another good game like this, it'd be no question.

[Joe]

Yep, Wembley had a good first half, but all warrant all hype around him, he's going to have to have one say I'm your guy in crunch time. He's gonna have to get in better conditioning and he can't do nothing about his conditioning. Nacho. No, that's an off season thing. And you got to stop playing him freaking 29 minutes, 30 minutes in the regular season. You got to play it because in other words, you got to build up a callus in order to play. Ocho. Imagine if you just go out there. That's how you get blisters when you don't put the work in in the off season. And then you try to take your ass to training camp and go out there and do all that playing, starting cutting. And now you got quarter sized blisters on the bottom of your damn feet.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

And you wonder why it's fact now.

[Joe]

You weren't walking around like you stepping on hot pokers. What's wrong, son? And now they ain't got no skin. They got. They got this bow dollars on the bottom of their feet.

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[Joe]

Handsome Barnes did not pay DMP so far as getting all that ass chewing the aunt would have been giving him. Hey, I just. I just can't believe. I just cannot. I just cannot believe the Aaron Fox did this play. And when he looks at it, ain't no way in hell because Fox, you got to slow down. You're going so fast. You've got to slow down, Joe. He gathers because he's realizing he's going so fast. And the thing. What if you go back and look at and. And. And it cut, but it looks like two guys are coming, but the other guy peels back because he thinks he's gonna pass it.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

He has no idea. I think it's Alvarado. I think it's Alvarado because OG is right here and then Alvarado, like over here.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Alvarado peels back because he thinks he's gonna pass it.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Unfortunate.

[Joe]

Mr. President, we need the National Guard. We need as many men as you can spare because we are killing the Spurs.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Oh, man.

[Joe]

Spurs are deflated. Knicks are elated. Legends created. Knicks in five. New York, stand up. Fox pulled a brawn. He ain't want to go to the line.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

I'm telling you

[Joe]

about Harrison Barnes would have won him this game, Man. See, y' all got jokes. Mitch could have played our boys. Harrison barn for what the spurs did. He couldn't have done any worse than what they did. Spurs are the new Cowboys in Texas. Fire Mitch tonight.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Whoa.

[Joe]

What's up, y'? All? This was a pure miracle. I'm not even from New York. Go, New York. Go, New York. Go. Ah. Why did Wemby run from the ball like he wasn't an outlet? He a superstar and he's talking about Fox. I'm disappointed. Sup? Y' all saw a debate. Who's the better wide receiver, Reggie Wayne or Hines Ward? For me, as Hines, he does the little things really, really well. What do y' all think? Ocho?

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah. Did the dirty work really, really well. Passing game. He was there, too. Yeah, well, Hines was no joke, man. He blood. He blocking. Not saying that Reggie didn't block as well, but. Yeah, Hines was nice. Hines was nice. It wasn't very pretty, but he got. He'll lay your head, but he'll lay you for you. Better keep that. He played high and played with a smile, boy. He was a. He was dangerous out there.

[Joe]

Nightcap. They just signed 24. Y' all just signed an entire state. With one move. We run as. We run as one Razorback. Welcome to the Hog family. Congrats. What's the nightcap, Y' all just. You just. I think you just signed 24. Y' all just signed an entire state with one move. We run as one Razorback. Welcome to the Hog family. Congrats.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

I was number 24 in college, bro. I've been number 24 my whole life until I got to the pro. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. My people welcoming y', all, man. You know, y' all say, what's up, my people, man, you know, back in Little Rock, back in Arkansas.

[Joe]

What's happening? What's happening?

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah. What's happening? Arkansas.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

Ms. Johnson is the Knicks 11th coach. He's with them.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Come on, man.

[Joe]

Talk about the nail body for a game. Anyone. Who's the next live. When's the next live show? We should for real, do a nightcap cookout. Meet and greet. Ticket should include a buffet style plate, a photo op, everything. Standard plate. Just an idea.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hey, don't sound like no bad idea, though.

[Joe]

Nah, we already saw what you bringing, so. Nah. What do you mean, bad idea? You don't break. No, we know what you bringing. Oh, this man talking about bringing chocolate cake. O Joe to a cookout.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

We gotta have some sweets at the cookout now?

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah, that's for dessert. Yo, we need. We need to know what's on the main course.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Hey, I said I got the dessert. I got the dessert.

[Joe]

See?

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Nah,

[Joe]

I'm still. I'm still shocked, bro. Ms. Johnson need to be out of order. Relegated to an assistant. Spurs play like they don't have a coach.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Damn, man. Big three.

[Joe]

If you want to see the best footwork in boxing, laser sharp accuracy and timing with slick defense, tune in Saturday to watch Bam Rodriguez move up and take the bantamweight title. I'll be ringside.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Yeah, Bam. Bam.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

I'm G. Check him out. I'm g. Check him out.

[Joe]

Yeah, we gonna check it out.

[ISO (Joe Johnson)]

Fight before Joe. Yeah, boy.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Check him out.

[Joe]

Well, obviously we'll be back. The game is on Saturday night, so thank you guys for joining us. Man down by as many as 29 points, the Knicks fight all the way back. Take game four, 107 to 106. OG Anunoby with a tip in with 1.2 seconds left. And they hold on. And they take down their one step closer to winning the first NBA title in 53 years. Outstanding Performances by OG Outstanding Performance by Jalen Brunson. Cat played huge in the fourth quarter. Alvarado came off the bench and gave him a spark, but it was just too many turnovers, too many ill advised shots, poor coaching. Everything that could go wrong went wrong from the Spurs. Everything that could go right. One coach pushed all the wrong buttons. One coach pushed all the right buttons. And that team that was down 20, 29, their coach pushed all the right buttons and they ended up winning and are one step closer to being an NBA champion. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite unc. And that is my partner and co host. That's Liberty City's own, the guy that has bragging rights for the night. He's a former pro bowler and an all Pro. He's Chad Ochocinko Johnson and the third member of the big three. Y' all see him, University of Arkansas alum, seven time NBA all star from the Atlanta Hawks talks. That is ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you guys for your support and your continued support. Those looking to purchase a bottle of shade by Laportier, head over to laportiercognac.com to purchase you a bottle. If it's currently unavailable in a state or city near you. Here's a premium VSOP Cognac, the best tasting BSOP cognac on the market and it drinks like an exo. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Again, the New York Knicks are one win away from winning their first title in 53 years thanks to a 107106 come from behind victory by down as many as 29 points. The Knicks fight scratch and claw their way back and they take the victory 107 to 106 and they're one win away from being the champs. I'm up. He's Ocho, he's ISO. We'll see you. We're off tomorrow, but we'll see you on Friday. Thank you guys for joining us.

[Ocho (Chad Ochocinco Johnson)]

Peace. Peace out.

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