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James Debo Harrison
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.
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Joe
A man with down syndrome tries the impossible, the grand slam in turkey hunting.
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James Debo Harrison
4:53 hits. We're legal, shooting light.
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Joe
And he gives us this one last.
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James Debo Harrison
And he pitches off. And when he pitches off, he flies right into the gun barrel.
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Joe
I said to the cameraman, do you have him?
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James Debo Harrison
He said, shoot him. I said, justin, shoot.
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Joe
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James Debo Harrison
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Joe
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James Debo Harrison
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Joe
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James Debo Harrison
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Joe
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James Debo Harrison
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Joe
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James Debo Harrison
Welcome back to this episode of Deebo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison. I'm here with my co host, Joe. Hey, please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe?
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Joe
I'm not gonna lie to you, Dubo. I'm not doing too well. Joke I could in from from yesterday. I mean, you're seeming like in a way better mood than you were in that suite last night.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah, I am. I am. In a. I. I had to. I had to take time to. To. To. To reflect and calm myself down. You know what I mean? And. And. And. And. And, you know, just. Just look at it, and I react. You know me. You know, I react. You seen. You've seen a lot of reaction. You know what I'm saying?
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Joe
Like, that's what I'm saying.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah, I was.
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Joe
I was.
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James Debo Harrison
I was crashing out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, dude, that's why we should never do a live watch. We can't. No, I'd get us up out of there. We'll be up out of here, bro. Like, whatever the broadcasting thing is for whoever it is that. Whoever it is, fcc, whatever, man. They coming. They coming. They. They coming. Joe, look here, Joe. Yeah, yeah, let's. Let's. Let's go ahead and just hop into it, bro. Cause I ain't gonna lie to you. Like, it was. It was good. It was interesting. It was interesting for a minute. It was. For a while. It was interesting. Was interesting. Dude, we was. We was live, dude. Like, I felt the energy. Like, the stadium. You could feel the energy in the stadium in there.
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Joe
It was hype.
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James Debo Harrison
Like, it was going. It was going. Like, it was going. Hey, listen here. I want to say something to the fans, though. All you boo birds, y' all boring. It's six, seven, bro. Y' all born. It's like, listen, every play ain't gonna be a strike, okay? Every play ain't gonna be three. If you have any real football knowledge as a Steeler fan, you know that this was going to be a grind out. I think we could have possibly wanted if things hadn't gone bad at the end. Nine to seven, like. But things happen. Anyway, let's go ahead and jump. We'll get to all the other stuff through the process of this, okay? So still, let's get the ball to start off. Okay? First play, we do the extra old lineman. We put 74 out there, all right? They get a rock to Jalen. Jalen gets that thing going. 10 blocking. Everything on point. Everything on point. Next play, we hit dk. It's a now pass right now. Ron Alternative, the D, the db. I'm sorry, the. The receivers block great blocking. He gets 17. Okay? Next play they hand it to Warren is one. I'm not tripping because it's not a negative play. It ain't that three yards that we would like to have, but cool. Next play, he only gets two. All right, it's third and seven now. It's way longer than we Want it to be okay. Way longer than we want it to be. We go to. We go to game. Well, like, it's just. I don't know what happened there because Rogers is saying something with the. With mad he ran. So it's. It's sounding like maybe the route wasn't ran right or whatever it may be. I don't know. Either way, go to pass. It wasn't catchable. It wasn't going to be caught. We. We punt. The Rock, cool defense get out there. First down, they hand the ball to Marks. He get five yards. That's too much.
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Joe
Okay?
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James Debo Harrison
And the reason I say it's too much is because of how he got it. I see 99, 4 yards deep, and I see 95 sitting 2 yards deep with him. If ain't nobody go touching for the first. Almost three yards. Five yards is very easy to get. Second down and five. Nephew make a nice play. Okay?
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Joe
Yes. Peasy came to play.
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James Debo Harrison
He came to play.
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Joe
He came with the energy. He came with the attitude. He was trying to smash defense.
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James Debo Harrison
Come on.
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Joe
They look, dude.
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James Debo Harrison
Nephew, come on.
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Joe
Nephew. You've been balling out. None of that holding. You was out there legitimate, man.
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James Debo Harrison
When he sit back and trust his skills, that's what you get, man. Yeah, dude, go make a catch here and there, but he there, he there. He ain't gonna make that catch every time.
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Joe
I'll put Nico to sleep at the beginning.
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James Debo Harrison
He should have been out of there the first time, but he came back and said, anyway, man, it's third and five, okay? We list and we don't get there. Listen, y' all been telling me about Queen, okay? And I've been watching him. I've been watching him. We got a problem there. I need Queen to whip that running back. Dude, I need. I need you to whoop him faster. I understand. You know, if nothing else, take him and put him in CJ's lap. Yeah, you made him move. But in that process of allowing him to move, bit, he gets the rock off. Like.
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Joe
Oh, yeah.
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James Debo Harrison
He does a lot of shoulder blocking, shoulder take ons and. And flip like.
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Joe
He.
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James Debo Harrison
He got to start using his hands. Dude, you can't get off a block if you don't use your hands. Dude, that. It's just. It's just not going to work. They hit.
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Joe
Who?
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James Debo Harrison
Was it Kirk? Was it Kirk?
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Joe
Yes, it was Kirk.
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James Debo Harrison
He split the 36. Joe, what is going on back there? What happened?
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Joe
Yeah, I mean, they just split him. They just split him and it was a good ball. Echoes was on the outside it was a good ball, good catch. But yeah, he got beat. They got. But he split.
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James Debo Harrison
He split. That's a, that's a long route, dude. That, that's a, that's. That takes a long time to get to it, dude. Like it's. No, like we got. If we're going to blitz, we gotta get there. We gotta put some flat.
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Joe
It's back on backup right there when he's able to beat him. And then we gotta have like you said, Queen gotta make that.
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James Debo Harrison
It's first and ten. They give it to Chubbs. We stopping for a two yard gang. Okay, that's cool, that's cool. Second down. I think they ended up giving it to Marks. It was another two. Boom. I think the next play, 77 finally got called for false starting. The boy did it on the 36 yard bomb that we got too. He did it on that play too. He was going early until they started. Till they called him on it. Yeah. So now I think it's what, third and eleven. We blitz again. I need, I need Queen to give me more. Anytime we get a bliss on, on a running back, we chalk that up as a win. Like tj, you gotta be like, okay, he, he finished it. And, and, but like if we actually could have got. Got there, you know what I'm saying? Like maybe that could have been like a sex shack, you know what I'm saying? So he throws it off, it's incomplete. They punt the rod. Boom, boom, boom. We get the ball back. Now we got a short field. Okay, first play is play action. Rogers rolls out and he hit dk.
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Joe
DK Metcalf. Yes, there we go.
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James Debo Harrison
Running the ball effectively. The first drive. Okay, now the next play is the one on one ball that we is looking for because we didn't have DK that we was trying to get with. What was it? MVS? Yes, we throw it up. PI. We gained, what was it, 14, 15 yards on that. Okay, it's first in whatever. It's first and 10 and Gainwell goes for what? Six. Second down is for another six and I believe that got us the first down. And then Rogers goes to Smith. Everybody else is covered. You know, it was, you know, it was good protection. He just. It is what it is though.
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Joe
Yeah, it is.
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James Debo Harrison
Second. Well then second attend. We go to Austin. Ah, anyway, third and ten, we pick up seven. It ain't enough. He got to dump it again, dude. He was under pressure. Anytime we got into those long down situations, we come in, we got a settle for the field goal. We get Three points out of it. I'm happy about that.
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Joe
Yes.
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James Debo Harrison
I mean, at that point in time, yes. We gas. We get. We're happy about that. It's going down. The Texans, they come out there. First down. I think CJ Hit Collins for four again. Good coverage. You know, Ramsey, he made the play like. I'll take that. I'll take that all day. Second down, Marks goes for five. I don't like this again, dude. We're getting pushed off the line, dude. Two, three yards off the line as SD lineman. That don't work, bro. Now we're in a third and one where TJ Makes a great play. That's what you do when you get one on one with a tight end or running back blocking a linebacker. You whoop him. He whooped him. He made the play, but he only needed a yard. He got two. You could fall forward on that after you done whooped on somebody. And that's what happened. They got another first down. The next play, I believe it was Marks.
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Joe
Cool.
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James Debo Harrison
It was three yards, but still we're getting pushed around. Second to seven. Now, what was it? Collins, we stop him for maybe like 4 yards. Bottling him up nice. But again, they're in a great third and three situation. Strahd hits. What was it? Hutchinson for 16. Joe. What's that, Joe?
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Joe
Man, that's the man. That's man to man. He was playing the outside leverage. That's a good. That's a. That's a good ball. That's a good ball. You gotta. You gotta. Some of these plays, you gotta try to make the play. But he's on his outside hip. He's on his outside. He's driving. Driving them like. That's Pierre. That's a bang. He was running straight at him and then bent the inside. So that's on the safety in the corner. That's a tough play in man to man when he runs that speed bang, you know what I'm saying?
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James Debo Harrison
So, I mean, okay, I could take. I could take that. I think it's 1st and 10, and they go and do some goofy stuff.
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Joe
That's what. This is what I'm talking about, though. This is what I'm talking about with the defense. At the end of the day, we're still hooping. They have zero points. All this and now they turnover.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah. Sawyer, he keeps working, keeps going. He go to throw that thing up out of there. He get a piece of the ball, recovery. That's great.
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Joe
I mean, caught that thing in the air. It was gonna be a sack.
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James Debo Harrison
Exactly it didn't matter what happened. He caught it before it hit the ground.
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Joe
I said go ahead. There we go now.
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James Debo Harrison
Still as we get back out there, man, first down, we get stopped for no gain. No gain is cool. It's better than. Than losing yards, but that's what puts us behind. We second down. DK dropped the ball, bro.
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Joe
Oh, second and 10, but naked.
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James Debo Harrison
Butt naked. We gotta have that. That's the first down. Like, we gotta have that.
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Joe
Third and 10. We doing a check down to MBS. They're tackling. They're running up and then punt, like, off of the turnover from great field position. We gotta do something. We gotta move the ball a little bit.
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James Debo Harrison
We gotta do something, Joe. Nothing was done, okay? And on top of that, we go ahead and I'm thinking, we got it. We done did a great job. We gonna down the ball. What was inside the 10? We down the ball. Inside the 10, bro. Okay, great. We got action. We got a long field to work with. Defense go do what they do, man. First play, we come out, they play action. Okay? We are. What was it about 20, 29? They got something like that, like. Or was it 29? It was 29 that I was looking at, like, instead of looking at the quarterback, bro, like, look at your coverage.
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Joe
Yes.
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James Debo Harrison
Why? Why? Every time these DBs, like, stop, they.
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Joe
Gotta start training them. You gotta train your eyes. That's the first thing. I played offense when I was in high school. My hardest thing when you go to defense is the quarterback's not throwing you the ball. Stop looking at him. Your job is to guard your man and end up playing through his hands when you get in a position to look back.
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James Debo Harrison
Dugger's 29, right? Okay.
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Joe
Yes. Doug, 29.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah. Okay, man. The next play, CJ fumbles the rock, bro. But he's able to get it back and still throw it. Incomplete. And if he had any. If he had better aim, he probably could have completed it because dude was woke. Like. Now it's what, third and two and they get third and two. It's. Dude, third and two. You know how hard it is to fend them down still. They get a hot four yards to. Who was it Kirk for the first down? Yep.
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Joe
Gotta get outside of that. That's. That's. That's one. That's what I'm saying. Outside leverage on that. He's curling out. You need that. That. We got beat on the sprint out.
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James Debo Harrison
Next play, 22 is playing some good defense, and we got a little pressure on, you know, on C.J. incomplete. Cool. Second and ten. They hit Collins over the middle for 13. On nephew and me and you right then and there said, hey, I'm good with that.
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Joe
I'm good with that. Catch.
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James Debo Harrison
Catch. A tackle. He right there. He bending in. Yes, no, yak, all that.
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Joe
Cool.
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James Debo Harrison
Good with that. And then the next play, Marks hit us for six. What? Again, we two, three yards deep. Dude, like, Wayne, dude, he takes.
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Joe
Dude, he.
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James Debo Harrison
He. He makes the tackle, he's going under. But, like, I'm. I'm really questioning, like, the. The. The style of tackling he do. The style of taking on blocks, he do like. I'm watching this now. It ain't looking like what I'm used to seeing.
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Joe
No, I feel you.
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James Debo Harrison
Second down, Herck makes a nice play, stays where he's supposed to stay, keeps us contained. When he tries to bounce it back out, he come down there getting for a one yard, but they already got the six on the first down. So again, we had three. Like, they go spread us out, do a little something. How is he sitting right there, just wide. I know how he was sitting there because I seen. I don't know where the inside linebacker is supposed to be, to be honest with you, bro. I. I just don't know where the other one's supposed to be. But it's. It's third and three. He drops it to the tight end. Basically just sitting on his butt in the middle of the field for six yards. The next play, I think Chubbs ends up going nine. Dude, like, we're. Bro, we're not even getting off blocks now, bro. Like, we're getting pushed around. And on the fact that when you don't get pushed around too much, you don't even. You're not even able to shed the block and get off. Like, are we not. Are we not practicing this? Are we not? Like. Like, is this something that's not done? Dude, when Coach Mitchell was there, bruh, that's all they. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. You better be there to work your hands. They said, you don't want. You don't want to die of breast cancer. That's what he was called. They put their hands in your chest. Don't let them get their hands in your chest. Like, dude, their hands is all in their chest. They give it to chubb again on second down, he gets six. Yo, I saw 95. He literally tossed out of the club on that one, okay? And 94 looked like he was going to check and see what was going on because he was about 2 yards behind him. And 95 was already about 4 deep. 95 got pushed so deep. He got pushed into Queen that time. Dude, like, again, dude, every man whoop a man. No, ain't nobody whooping nobody, dude. Again, hand it back to Chubb.
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Joe
He get.
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James Debo Harrison
He get another six. Like, we're not getting off. We're being pushed. We are second and four. And then marks goes 20 yards. TJ get hooked by the motion. Dude, what I need on there is. I just need. I just want a little bit more anticipation, especially when it's coming over. You got a big body sitting right here in front of you. You got a smaller body off right here. And then you got dude motioning over, like. And then with that, when he motions over and comes down on him, how soon is the corner supposed to get up there?
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Joe
You got to get up there quick.
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James Debo Harrison
Like, it's not. Things aren't happening in the time it needs to happen. And sometimes, bro, I ain't gonna lie. I don't even know what I'm looking at. I'm seeing. I don't know what I'm looking at, though. It's first and 10 now. I think after, what, 13 or something like that.
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Joe
Yes, brother.
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James Debo Harrison
Marks goes seven. The whole middle of the defense, bruh, look like a.
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Joe
A, A.
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James Debo Harrison
A wave. A wave chart. That was just like this. It was bowed in, bro.
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Joe
It was like this. I said, I know exactly what you're talking about, brother. They line they was. They were making their offensive line was creating a new offensive line.
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James Debo Harrison
Dude, the next play, they misdirect us with some play action because we're getting gassed. Yeah. Like, you have to.
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Joe
So now we trying to fight for the run, and my man Echo's running for his life across the back, and Kurt beats him to the pylon.
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James Debo Harrison
They score. It's seven to three. I ain't tripping.
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Joe
I found.
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James Debo Harrison
I sound like I'm tripping now, but I wasn't tripping then. I was tripping, but I wasn't tripping.
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Joe
Like, because at the end of the day, it's still. Yes, we had to. They. They scored one time.
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James Debo Harrison
I don't like how they scored. The process of how they got down there and how they went through getting in there.
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Joe
14. 14 plays, 92 yards. No, that wasn't what we were expecting.
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James Debo Harrison
We had at the 8, and we just give up 90. That's what I'm talking about, dude. We go and give up plays and points at horrible times. Dude, the first thing I said when we was playing this game is we gotta outplay Their defense, the way they defense played, I ain't gonna lie, that was kind of hard to do.
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Joe
But look, I'm just.
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James Debo Harrison
We're still in it.
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Joe
We're still in it right now.
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James Debo Harrison
Okay? We're still in it. All right. And Steelers come out there and we go three and out, bro. First down, a screen.
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Joe
Play action. Screen.
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James Debo Harrison
Okay, second down. He gotta throw it into the dirt. 76, bro. Ducks his head in a horrible attempt of blocking. Hunter and I. Dude, I ain't. I ain't seen the pro. I seen. I seen peewee kids that can put a block positionally better with their. Dude literally does like this. What you thought he was gonna do? Stand there and wait for you to put your head on him? No, Roger's gotta throw the. We get an intentional grounding and what is it? Third now and 21.
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Joe
Third and 21. We try to get a little check down the gain. Well, he gets some yards.
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James Debo Harrison
It ain't enough. We gotta punt the Rock. He might have got like 10, 11. It wasn't enough. We needed 22. We gotta punt the rock back to them. First down marks four again. Same thing.
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Joe
Yes, they staying ahead of the six. So four yards.
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James Debo Harrison
That thing that we talked about, what did they call it? Success rate. Success rate was out of control. Out of control. They either got it on the first down, the second down, or just completed the whole play on the third.
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Joe
But then, Debo, look, we still back. We fighting. Let's go, Steelers.
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James Debo Harrison
DJ Yeah, cj. He fumbled a snap again.
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Joe
Come on, Cliff Paul. Oh, oh, he fumbled.
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James Debo Harrison
Snap.
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Joe
Get it back.
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James Debo Harrison
Come on. Try and do something goofy. 9 5.
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Joe
Let me.
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James Debo Harrison
You went on ahead and made a.
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Joe
Play and SWAT went on ahead and fell on it.
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James Debo Harrison
We're recording after 20. What? 21?
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Joe
21 yard line, Debo. First play. Toss gain.
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James Debo Harrison
Well, smack DK missed the block. He ain't get that block.
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Joe
Like DJ you a big. You big bruh. You big bruh. That's a. That's a defensive back. Really? Just really right there. He's showing. He's on man time, you know what I'm saying? He's just trying to out physical you and that. Like you supposed to be the one. Like you supposed to be throwing people out the way. And he just blew up our whole play.
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James Debo Harrison
It was the whole play. Hell, the next play, they, they. They dropped us for another two yard loss. Dude made a nice, nice play on that. Like the deep they defense was playing, bro. I can't. I can't say they weren't. I can't Say they weren't.
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Joe
And when they were swinging, they were making tackles. They were flying to the rock. They. They were playing like they wanted to, bruh.
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James Debo Harrison
Exactly. Exactly, dude. Third and 14. We get 12 out of gang. Well, DB slipped. If he hadn't slipped, he would have still been sitting there. Possibility to stop that all together. It's fourth and two. We go ahead and we go for it. It's a nice play design, dude. Nice call. Rogers hits Adam for the four. First and goal at the nine, bro. I ain't gonna lie. I'm like, we're about to score. Okay? Warren only gets, what, one yard? Next play, we play action. I don't know why. I don't know why we play action. We ain't. We ain't ran it successfully. This whole little drive or the one before it, like. I don't know. Anyway. I don't. I don't make the calls. Don't. I don't know why.
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Joe
Just. No.
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James Debo Harrison
Nobody's covered. He has to throw it away. 3rd and 8. They just collapsed the pocket. Dude just.
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Joe
He.
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James Debo Harrison
He tripped. He just tripped on people on the ground, like, just getting pushed down.
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Joe
Yes, that great. That. That's when he looked. He looked old right there. He looked very. He didn't look too athletic. I know you see you just tripping, like, but you just.
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James Debo Harrison
Oh.
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Joe
Oh, my goodness. Oh. Oh. Now I'm falling.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah. Lift your feet a little higher, but you ain't expecting nobody to be there that fast.
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Joe
You know them ladders. You, like, pick your feet up.
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James Debo Harrison
We get a field, go to all of it, though, like I said, I'm still geeked. I'm with you. You know, it's six. Seven. We needed a touchdown, but it's six. Seven.
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Joe
Definitely it's six.
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James Debo Harrison
Seven. Texans, get back out there. It's four yards from Marks. On the first play, CJ Took Kirk for five. Again, third and one. A tush push from the. So was it Stover the tight end or something? Right, C.J. dan says, hey, you got a nice first down here. I'm gonna give you five on this one. Second down is incomplete. 21. Force that out. Nice play.
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Joe
That's good defense.
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James Debo Harrison
Yes. Nice play, but we still at 3rd and manageable. 3rd and 5. CJ to curse.
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Joe
Why is it giving Kirk so much space?
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James Debo Harrison
Seven. First down, but it's only, like, 28 seconds left.
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Joe
Oh, yeah. We good. 28 seconds down to 45.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah. First down. We got lucky. He missed.
- [26:29]
Joe
I'm so glad C.J. overthrew that, because it could have been ugly.
- [26:34]
James Debo Harrison
Wide open, wide open, wide open. Second down. P Dub fired on March 3rd down.
- [26:40]
Joe
That's how that. That's how you hit. Yes, that's how you hit a man.
- [26:43]
James Debo Harrison
Form tackle. Form tackle.
- [26:47]
Joe
Boy, that was so clean. And look, he wasn't looking at the ball. He was looking at his man. He was going to drive through that man.
- [26:52]
James Debo Harrison
Oh, easily. He was going. He was trying to put him through the dirt. Put him through the dirt. Third down, we blitz him, we get some pressure on him. He got to throw it short over there to shows they don't get it, they end up punting. Okay, we don't.
- [27:08]
Joe
Lines and Tines with Spencer Graves on the iHeartRadio app is a podcast designed for hunters and fishermen to enjoy success. I like the idea of like, hey.
- [27:18]
James Debo Harrison
Put me on a big deer. You know, hey, there's a big deer out here. He's doing this.
- [27:22]
Joe
Be looking for this deer.
- [27:23]
James Debo Harrison
But I also love doing it on my own.
- [27:26]
Joe
I love going out there and saying, running my cameras.
- [27:29]
James Debo Harrison
I love patterning the deer.
- [27:31]
Joe
I like showing up at the right.
- [27:33]
James Debo Harrison
Time, checking the wind, knowing what stand I need to be in. And then whenever it all comes together and it happens, that's the most satisfying thing ever. So when you do it on your own, it's like, I then can hang my hat. But if I had somebody say, hey.
- [27:47]
Joe
Pull up on these dots and catch.
- [27:48]
James Debo Harrison
Them right here and you're going to win. And then when I go in, it's.
- [27:52]
Joe
Like, yeah, it's cool.
- [27:53]
James Debo Harrison
I won the tournament. The ultimate goal is done. But it's like, dude, I when you find them and you make them bite, that's the puzzle. I love it.
- [28:02]
Joe
Listen to Lines and Tines with Spencer Graves on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everyone, it's Ed helms and I'm Kal Penn and we are the hosts of Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am talking to film and TV critic, radio and podcast host and Harry Potter super fan Rhianna Dillon to discuss Audible's full cast adaptation of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. What moments in this audiobook capture the feeling of the magical world best for you or just stood out the most?
- [28:44]
James Debo Harrison
I always loved reading about the Quidditch matches and I think the audio really gets it because it just plunges you right into the stands. You have the crowd sounds like all around you is surround sound, especially if you're listening in headphones.
- [29:00]
Joe
Listen to Earsay the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Maria Hinojosa, host of Latino usa. Venezuelans around the world are celebrating the takedown of former President Maduro. But inside the country, there is fear and silence. And in the United States, people are concerned about Donald Trump's rogue tactics. Listen to Latino usa, the fall of Maduro, and the rise of an unconstrained Trump. That's on your iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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James Debo Harrison
Hi, I'm Danny Shapiro, host of the.
- [29:45]
Joe
Hit podcast Family Secrets.
- [29:47]
James Debo Harrison
We were in the car like a Rolling Stone came on, and he said.
- [29:51]
Joe
There'S a line in there about your mother.
- [29:53]
James Debo Harrison
And I said, what.
- [29:54]
Joe
What I would do if I didn't feel like I was being accepted is choose an identity that other people can't have.
- [30:00]
James Debo Harrison
I knew something had happened to me in the middle of the night, but I couldn't hold on to what had happened.
- [30:07]
Joe
These are just a few of the moving and important stories I'll be holding space for on my upcoming 13th season of Family Secrets. Whether you've been on this journey with me from season one or just joining the Family Secrets family, we're so happy to have you with us. I'll dive deep into the incredible power of secrets, the ones that shape our identities, test our relationships, and ultimately reveal.
- [30:35]
James Debo Harrison
Who we truly are.
- [30:36]
Joe
Listen to Family secrets on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [30:43]
James Debo Harrison
You know, get the pun. Halftime ends. It's six. It's. It's six. Seven. Come on. We got a chance. Third quarter, Texas. They getting the rock, man. They getting the rock. Third quarter. Cool defense. Let's go out here, and we got to stand up. That's what we got to do. We got to go out here, and we got to stand up. First play, he hits Higgins for 16. Then Mark says, Hey, 14.
- [31:12]
Joe
Just straight through the hole.
- [31:14]
James Debo Harrison
I don't. I don't know what's going on there, but from what it's looking like to me, dude, Queen got to come down there. He got to feel. He got. He got to get. He got to get somebody off of a block. He got to put his body in the hole. He got to do something. He's waiting for them to get back there, and he. And they're getting back there to him. Now you got Harrison, who can't stay backside because he's trying to get to that hole that he's seeing is not Being filled. And dude comes out. Marks come out the backside where I believe he would have filled. I just don't know for sure. But from what I'm looking at, that's what I'm thinking. You know, they play action that's on the next play because they've been gashing us.
- [31:52]
Joe
That's why the backers are up and them bang those bangs. That's. That's what I told you about them, Jo. You got to be expecting them. Got to catch and tackle. He fired on them for show, but it's still after Saying a big 14 yards, bro. Take that.
- [32:05]
James Debo Harrison
He got 14 yards. Yes. Yes. That's followed by Marks, who went on ahead and got nine on the first one and picked up the second down. Only got two, but it's second and one.
- [32:18]
Joe
All you need is second and one.
- [32:20]
James Debo Harrison
It's second and one again. Marks goes on first down for four. Second down, I believe it was CJ the Schultz for two. Nice play by 29. Nice play, but we're still in the third and short. Third and manageable situation. Like, what was it, CJ? What? What? What? What? What did he do? Dude, I think he just, like, panicked there, dude. Like, makes a horrible decision. Terrible throw, and we're able to capitalize. That's a good thing for us. We get to pick. Echoes gets to pick. But if he don't panic and he gets that out, we're beat.
- [33:02]
Joe
A thousand percent. But the fifth was the fifth.
- [33:04]
James Debo Harrison
It was a fifth, bro. That fifth came to. To tuition fruition. Fruition. In the. In the fourth. We got the ball.
- [33:15]
Joe
But I'm still.
- [33:15]
James Debo Harrison
We got the ball back. We stopped him from scoring. That's great. Yes, bro, that's great. See, I can. Look, I can't. I can't go back there now because I know what the outcome is, and.
- [33:25]
Joe
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. We get good. You good? You good? Because it was half. But. But. Because it's not. But the defense.
- [33:32]
James Debo Harrison
Yes, the defense did. Yes, they did. They did ball. They did ball. We get. We'll get to all that. We'll get to all that at the end.
- [33:40]
Joe
All right.
- [33:41]
James Debo Harrison
We get the ball. Okay, Turnover.
- [33:44]
Joe
Come on.
- [33:45]
James Debo Harrison
Oh. First down, we give it to Warren for seven, and then the next play, he picks up three for the first.
- [33:52]
Joe
Cool.
- [33:52]
James Debo Harrison
We back into what we doing. We false start immediately. And next play after that, it was no gain to Austin.
- [34:01]
Joe
This quick screen Austin. We're getting blown up. We're not blocking their DBs. Their DBs are out strengthening all receivers. They're like, no, they out. They want it.
- [34:08]
James Debo Harrison
Yes. Yes. Dude, the next. The next one. They hit Austin again. They hit him this time. He actually gets six yards. Okay. I believe it's like 39.
- [34:17]
Joe
39.
- [34:21]
James Debo Harrison
Over the middle.
- [34:21]
Joe
Hey, 14. Yes. We'll take it.
- [34:23]
James Debo Harrison
I'm gonna take it. All day. All day. But then the next play, Gainwell is dropped for a negative two yards. Just go downhill. Keep it going. That was two yards, one yard.
- [34:38]
Joe
Give us the two in the dust.
- [34:39]
James Debo Harrison
Get. Just give me that. Give me that. Dude. Like, second down. Rogers got lucky to get away from a sack and just throw it away. Third down, I think we went to Austin. What do you think of that play, Joe?
- [34:57]
Joe
He's our fast guy. He's deep. I mean, but, like, I mean, if the ball was gone, it's more of a give him a chance, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know. The ball was. The ball was led too far. It wasn't the PI. They was just running and I don't know, it just didn't look like. It didn't look like it was going to be completed.
- [35:15]
James Debo Harrison
Yeah, true. I wouldn't. I ain't gonna lie. I wouldn't have said it was a PI. It wasn't enough there for me. Yeah, I'm. I'm. Yeah, we. We gotta punt the Rock back over to him. I think the first play, Houston got like, maybe five on a pass. Whatever it was, they got called for even legal shift after that, which put him to second and ten. We finally go ahead and sack CJ With a little stunt game. Third down is incomplete. They got a punter. Rock. We actually went force to three and out. Gravy. We ain't give up. No, no, no yards. Nothing like that. Cool.
- [35:59]
Joe
Nothing, bro.
- [36:00]
James Debo Harrison
All right, boy.
- [36:02]
Joe
Porter Jr. Over there still strapping.
- [36:03]
James Debo Harrison
First down, we go ahead and Rogers hits Thielen for Twinkie one.
- [36:10]
Joe
Yes.
- [36:10]
James Debo Harrison
Okay. We're. We're actually making a little progress. Okay, then it's a loss a one to Smith. Wouldn't that like another, like, type trying to do a screen or something? Like, we. We're not running successfully. Like, they're not trying to, like, makes.
- [36:30]
Joe
It second and the last.
- [36:30]
James Debo Harrison
Second and 11, man.
- [36:33]
Joe
Then they just get to pushing us back.
- [36:35]
James Debo Harrison
Roger's just under pressure, bro.
- [36:38]
Joe
Under pressure. Anderson's bullying. Bullying people. Hunter starts bullying people.
- [36:42]
James Debo Harrison
The thing that we didn't want to do being long down and distance situations. Now it's third and long, and we are sacked. Fumble. But we recovered it. We got lucky on that. 1. We punt the ball.
- [36:59]
Joe
Almost took.
- [37:00]
James Debo Harrison
We punt the ball. Okay? Texas get it back. First play, C.J. to Collins. Okay?
- [37:07]
Joe
Other. And it's the same.
- [37:09]
James Debo Harrison
Same play where he completed it. He in the same position. But what we say. You ain't gonna be able to make that play every time.
- [37:15]
Joe
No, no, no, no, no.
- [37:17]
James Debo Harrison
Exactly. This time, he makes the play, gets the ball lo take a little nap. He up out the game. Okay?
- [37:30]
Joe
This. I'm geeked. I'm like, okay, I'm sorry. I hope he's okay. But we the deep threat. Like, come on now. We got. We got Nico Colony the biggest threat out.
- [37:41]
James Debo Harrison
We thought.
- [37:43]
Joe
We thought so, Antonio.
- [37:46]
James Debo Harrison
We thought so, brother. Second down. C.J. ain't even ready for the rock, bro. It just comes. Fumble the thing, but he recovers it again, bruh. Like he was trying to help us. He was trying to help us, man. I think. I think he might have had a black and. Black and yellow jersey up under there. We get the third and 15. And this is where this man Kirk came from. 46 yards. Why in the fuck are you looking at the quarterback after you just got your ass ran away from? And as you look, you start drifting away more. Oh, my goodness. Why the flip? Sorry, why the flip? Are you looking at the quarterback?
- [38:39]
Joe
That is bad ball. He's running, man. You're looking because you're hoping that he's not throwing it to you. And now you see the ball coming. You have to run to your man. He's throwing the ball.
- [38:49]
James Debo Harrison
You can't look till you can touch him.
- [38:51]
Joe
If you run after Christian, if he.
- [38:53]
James Debo Harrison
Ran right there and just dropped and ran until he got to where he could touch him and looked up, he could have incomplete. He could have. Could have knocked that down if not took it off.
- [39:02]
Joe
That's where the ball's going a thousand percent. Debo, I'm trying to tell you. I don't.
- [39:05]
James Debo Harrison
They at the 36 yard line now, bro. First down, it's a holding call on them.
- [39:12]
Joe
That.
- [39:12]
James Debo Harrison
That's. That's. That. That. That. That's really what. What really helped us because immediately, Marks got seven on that.
- [39:21]
Joe
Yes. If that was a normal joint. First and 10.
- [39:23]
James Debo Harrison
You don't already know what time is. Second three, right? And then the next play, CJ hit Kirk for Sam. That would have been a first, but they shot themselves in the foot. All right, third down is incomplete. Why? Nephew.
- [39:45]
Joe
Nephew. Joey Porter Jr. Came out that joint, too. Ball man, strap, no hands. I'm. I'm out there. Yes. It's locked in this joint. Right here. Yes, peasy. Yes, you get. Give him that every time.
- [39:57]
James Debo Harrison
Ain't nothing free. We able to hold him to a field goal. Hey, I ain't gonna lie. I ain't think he was gonna make that. That was a long. That was. That was long field, bro. But I ain't tripping. It's six, six to ten. Fourth quarter. Still got 13 minutes left, bro. Yeah. First. You got time, Stillers. Get out there. First down. Oh, gain. Well, 14. Yes. Yes. The next play, bro, we go to Austin. It was a little short, man. He hadn't beat if he didn't have to slow down. He makes that play, I believe, bro. 9 out of 10, but he threw it a little short. He had to slow down. He had to slow down. Austin ain't that tall. He got to try and jump and make the play. He tips it, goes to his hands, but just can't get him all the way under it. He gotta have that. We gotta have that. We gotta have. We gotta have a throw. We gotta have a kid like.
- [41:14]
Joe
And then that's when it turns.
- [41:17]
James Debo Harrison
Second down, though. We got dropped for a two yard loss after that. Don't forget that now. Okay, it's third and long again. The situation we did not want to be in so that we didn't allow the outside rushes to do what it is they had been doing all year. We are sack fumbled. Okay, Touchdown.
- [41:43]
Joe
Not like drip, sack, recover, run, touchdown.
- [41:54]
James Debo Harrison
Here's the crazy part, bro. That play, all they had to do was hold up a half second more. DK is free, down the numbers. This closest man to him is already almost parallel with him on his outside. The safety is sitting over there on the opposite hash, but he's only three yards deeper than him, but he got a cover. Almost 15 and 20 and DK is full stride going down the field. Rogers is about to release it. All we needed was a half second, bro. A half second we go. We could have went from being 10 to 6 to 13 to 10, bruh. But it's totally flipped around. They get the touchdown and it's 176 now, bruh. Bruh, I lost it. Yep. I don't even know what I said, who I said it to. I forgot where we were even at. I forgot that we were. What? I don't even know what did I say, Joe, but I know people was looking at me. It was a little.
- [43:06]
Joe
Yeah, you. You scared. You scared everybody in the dance suite. I ain't gonna lie to you.
- [43:10]
James Debo Harrison
And it ain't even mine.
- [43:15]
Joe
Like, ah, brother. Yeah, it got bad Right there. That's when it started getting ugly. We needed more time. First down, we get the ball back.
- [43:30]
James Debo Harrison
We missed. Fry move. We missed him. We could have. We could have. I think we could have made that play. We didn't. Second down.
- [43:39]
Joe
Yes.
- [43:41]
James Debo Harrison
Yo, Warren made that catch. He got. He got us the four yards we needed to get in third and manageable. Okay, but he got fired on. Oh, Lord.
- [43:51]
Joe
Yeah. Those dudes on Houston are not playing. They're not play. They're not playing. Number one defense. They really out there, right?
- [43:59]
James Debo Harrison
Like, yeah, they. They ain't play playing. But hey, finally during six, we hit. Fire move. A nice throw on the money. Throw. Battle catch. Holding on to that thing, bro.
- [44:12]
Joe
Yes, yes. Combat.
- [44:14]
James Debo Harrison
Combat catches, brother.
- [44:16]
Joe
Needed that then, you know.
- [44:19]
James Debo Harrison
Next.
- [44:19]
Joe
First gotta pick your feet up.
- [44:23]
James Debo Harrison
Like.
- [44:24]
Joe
Gotta pick your feet up.
- [44:26]
James Debo Harrison
Second down, I believe was incomplete to dk. And the third down, it just gets batted out the air. We gotta punt the rock over. And now, bro, it's kinda. I'm kind of iffy. Kind of iffy? Yeah, because I know.
- [44:47]
Joe
Kinda iffy.
- [44:48]
James Debo Harrison
I know how we respond in such situations or how we have responded this year in such situations. And what do we do? We respond how we had men responding. We allow these dudes to go 11 plays, 87 yards for a touchdown and use up almost six minutes of the nine minutes that was left. They stayed ahead of the chains again. They made sure they got that success rate percentage where you can drive down the field and keep the down and distance manageable. You had a second and eight. It was nine to Higgins. You had a third and four. 33.
- [45:39]
Joe
Kirk, brother, we're running after that man in these drag routes in man to man, and he's just getting left echoes. It just. Kirk just ran away from him. You know what I'm saying? You can't. That's a catch and tackle. It's a drag. Get him three yards, four yards, he might catch it. But for him to catch the joint and just turn up and run away.
- [45:59]
James Debo Harrison
Look, don't look. I'm not looking. If I know I have a guy that I can look at the paper on and say this dude is a tenth or more faster than me. I ain't got time to look at nothing. I'm assuming every time he cuts, they're throwing him the ball.
- [46:18]
Joe
That's what I'm telling you. When you're. And you've been that position as the db, you're looking and praying he's not throwing it. But if you look back at that quarterback, you're Gonna watch him throw it to your man. And you're gonna watch who is teaching.
- [46:29]
James Debo Harrison
You to hey, when you get beat, look at the quarterback and see if they're throwing it to you. Because everybody is doing it. Oh, everybody is doing it.
- [46:40]
Joe
Being a DB and panicking, hoping and praying that he don't hold to my man. Because I'm beat. I'm beat. Please don't be throwing it over here. Hopefully he's getting sacked.
- [46:50]
James Debo Harrison
Are you doing somebody else practice? And no one is telling you, turn your head around. You.
- [46:57]
Joe
I'm terrible.
- [47:00]
James Debo Harrison
They get to a third and three. Another. It was another. Then it was another third and three for Chubbs, but I think we ended up getting a face mask on that one. That got him a first down. And then they tried to help us out and false start. Like now it's. What was it? First and goal from the 13.
- [47:21]
Joe
But this did. That's what it is. But, but again, the way, the way that they ran that joint in there, I don't know what you 90 went in there, closed his eyes and hit and hit queen.
- [47:35]
James Debo Harrison
How do you let him weave, bob and weave and just nobody put nothing on him.
- [47:44]
Joe
Nothing.
- [47:44]
James Debo Harrison
Nothing. Dude. I, I believe it was the way.
- [47:49]
Joe
He scored on that one that was kind of like. Come on, man.
- [47:54]
James Debo Harrison
It was the fact that they scored, period, bro. We had 87 to work with, right? Yeah, yeah.
- [48:03]
Joe
No, for sure, for sure, for sure. That's what we said, Debo. We needed a full game of it, even if they might not have even won the jo because of the way that it worked. But still our defense, we know, like just, just, just don't do that because it could still been. We would have been seven less points and it wouldn't have made us feel as bad. They walked it down.
- [48:21]
James Debo Harrison
They walked it down, burnt time off the clock and scored a touchdown, bruh. Yeah, brother, a touch like, come on. That. That's the last thing we could give up right now. We. It's. It's 24 to six now. Game is really over with.
- [48:44]
Joe
Now, brother. With three. Oh, with three minutes and 35 seconds. So you already know I'm not.
- [48:51]
James Debo Harrison
Insult the injury on top of it. Pick six on the fourth down and five for that touchdown for them. 30 to six game. That's what the game ends at. The game is over with. It don't matter what happens with the little time that was left. This can't happen, bro. This, this, this, this can't. This, this, this, this. We, we. We making historical numbers in this, dude. And it's not good things, dude. Like we're out here like what we get a hundred and what was that? 157 yards, 175 yards, something like that.
- [49:36]
Joe
Oh, bro.
- [49:36]
James Debo Harrison
Total, bruh.
- [49:37]
Joe
Come on, come on, Debo. Come on, man. And I know we always on the.
- [49:45]
James Debo Harrison
Show talking 175 yards, bro. What are we talking about?
- [49:48]
Joe
We always be talking about our defense, Joe.
- [49:52]
James Debo Harrison
Neither you or I, the players, and.
- [49:54]
Joe
That'S what we do.
- [49:54]
James Debo Harrison
You go or Tomlin, and nobody was born. But I'm gonna tell you, with Steelers 1947, they didn't even know how to throw the ball in. No, you know what? Let me stop. I was, I was. That was.
- [50:13]
Joe
Is. We always talk about the. Oh, no. It's time though.
- [50:17]
James Debo Harrison
Let me stop. Hold on, hold on. I wanna, I wanna give my props to Houston, okay?
- [50:22]
Joe
Yes, okay. Respect.
- [50:24]
James Debo Harrison
Okay.
- [50:24]
Joe
Respect.
- [50:25]
James Debo Harrison
Houston's defense is real. That's why they're number one. Houston's defense, to be honest with you, bro, I think they can win the super bowl the way they played against us, as long as they offense don't sell on them. Like that's, that's. That's what we used to do in 2008, bro. That was the kind of defense, that was the kind of players that we had in 2008, bro. We didn't just go out there and stop offenses, dude. We went out there and we won games on defense, bro. And that's what Houston did against us last night. If the offense didn't score a point, bruh, the defense still would have beat us by themselves.
- [51:12]
Joe
That's what I was saying. They beat us 14, 6 on. On defense and the offense. They beat us 16 to 6, dude.
- [51:20]
James Debo Harrison
The offense never score a point. And we could, we would have still lost that game, bro. Like, that is a truly dominant defense. That's what dominant defenses do. And I'm gonna get these boys they props, dude. Like Houston, what d' amico Ryan's is doing over there? Oh, that's huge. That's huge. They doing everything necessary to make sure his team has optimum opportunity to go and get him a chip. What is this his third year only. Only his third year, bro. You got a defense that just gave up, what was it? Six total points, only 175 yards, okay? And on top of that, your offense turned the ball over three times, okay?
- [52:11]
Joe
He fumbled five times, turned the joint over three, and you still hold up.
- [52:16]
James Debo Harrison
31 of those times. The ball was almost in the red zone, bro. It was the 23, 25 yard line and you gave up nothing but three. Hey, props, Imma give y' all y' all respect. Y', all, y' all watch out. Y' all watch out for the text. They real. They real. As long as C.J. don't sell, they, they, they, they. They gonna be all right now. And no, dude, you know what? Would it. Our defense, bro. They, They a. Our defense.
- [52:57]
Joe
It wasn't. Look, this was. He can't do that right now because our defense with this.
- [53:03]
James Debo Harrison
I told you, though, Joe, listen, I told you. I said our defense is going to have to play better again. Their defense plays against our offense.
- [53:16]
Joe
I, I, I understand, I understand. But what we can't do is not say before they started passing the football that we had 175 total passing yards. I mean, total yards total. We turned the jump over, got them to rock over three turnovers that we.
- [53:34]
James Debo Harrison
Know as an offense. We only got 175 total, bro. As an offense. Yeah.
- [53:40]
Joe
That's what I'm saying.
- [53:41]
James Debo Harrison
Okay?
- [53:41]
Joe
That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. As our offense. Our offense. I'm looking at them like, today. I can't, because the defense, like in the day when they ran up that ball all the way down there and scored that long drive that to end the game, that's, that's terrible. You know, but for, for three quarters and getting the ball back to the offense and making something, you know, they looks, they look so bad that I was just like, you know what? Today's not the day for me, for real, to go on the defense because.
- [54:08]
James Debo Harrison
When you turn the ball over, everybody, everybody, Everybody, everybody, everybody, bro, I'm not, I'm not. I'm. No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not. No. I'm a defense guy, bro. And, and, and my job as a defensive person is to perfect do my perfect job is to not let you score a drop. I don't care if you get it at the one now, the reality in, in the realness of that actually happening.
- [54:28]
Joe
Yes.
- [54:28]
James Debo Harrison
That's. It's slimming. And few in between. Okay, now, now that I don't got time to reflect and realize, you know what I'm saying? Like, I let, I let the fan in me. That's what I did. I let the fan in me mislead me. I let, I let him. I let him. That's, that's my fault. I let him take control and possess me, okay? That's what happened. And because right now it's the playoffs and the fact that anybody that's in it got a chance because we. In single elimination football, you got four games. You go on a four game streak and you win it. And it had me thinking back to 2005 when I won my first Super Bowl. Dude, we got hot. We got hot. We won the super bowl, bruh. And in that process that we got hot, bruh. In that playoff run, we faced the top ranked offenses, dude, in the NFL. And when I say the top ranked office in the NFL, though, I mean number two, number three, number four, and number six. Okay, Cincinnati was six. Next it was Indy, they were three, Denver was five. And we finished it off with a Super bowl win against the Seattle Seahawks. Okay, but. But again, what, like, who was it? Like, Mariah, Like Mariah said, hey, I didn't know nothing. I was stupid. I was falling apart. I was lying to myself. I was. I was foolish. I was lying to myself. I was lying to myself, Joe, I. Dude, I didn't know nothing. I was stupid. I was foolish. I was lying to myself. Because as I look back, and I.
- [56:23]
Joe
Had to go look back at it.
- [56:24]
James Debo Harrison
Joe, and I'm like, yo, all we did was we got hot. I said, we got hot at the right time. That's what I said. But I looked, I said, oops, we was a number four ranked defense in the regular season and the offense was 15. And you know what, what happened?
- [56:45]
Joe
What we just.
- [56:46]
James Debo Harrison
What we just saw. We saw what our regular season was. As I went back and looked at that, we played effectively and stopped them as a defense from being able to get what they were used to getting as an offense. We were getting a little more than we were used to getting. It wasn't a big giant dramatic difference.
- [57:06]
Joe
Okay?
- [57:08]
James Debo Harrison
So in light of that, what we saw last night statistically was exactly what we were in the regular season. And that is a 25th ranked offense and a 26 ranked defense. That's exactly what we saw last night from the Steelers. That is why I'm gonna.
- [57:29]
Joe
I'm gonna go with the. I'm gonna go with you on the offensive part. Defense. They. I can't. They.
- [57:36]
James Debo Harrison
They. Dude, listen. The defense did a great job, dude, of not letting them score points for most of the game up until lines.
- [57:45]
Joe
And tines with Spencer graves. On the iHeartRadio app is a podcast designed for hunters and fishermen to enjoy success. I like the idea of like, hey.
- [57:55]
James Debo Harrison
Put me on a big deer. You know, hey, there's a big deer out here. He's doing this.
- [57:58]
Joe
Be looking for this deer.
- [58:00]
James Debo Harrison
But I also love doing it on my own.
- [58:02]
Joe
I love going out there and saying, running my cameras.
- [58:06]
James Debo Harrison
I love patterning the deer.
- [58:07]
Joe
I like showing up at the right.
- [58:09]
James Debo Harrison
Time, checking the wind, knowing what stand I need to be in. And then whenever it all comes together and it happens, that's the most satisfying thing ever. So when you do it on your own, it's like, I then can hang my hat. But if I had somebody say, hey.
- [58:23]
Joe
Pull up on these dots and catch.
- [58:25]
James Debo Harrison
Them right here and you're gonna win. And then when I go in, it's like, yeah, it's cool, I won the tournament. The ultimate goal is done. But it's like, dude, when you find them and you make them bite, that's the puzzle. I love it.
- [58:38]
Joe
Listen to Lines and Tines with Spencer Graves on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone, it's Ed Helms and I'm Cal Penn and we are the hosts of Earsay and the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am talking to film and TV critic, radio and podcast host and Harry Potter super fan Rhianna Dillon to discuss Audible's full cast adaptation of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. What moments in this audiobook capture the feeling of the magical world best for you or just stood out the most?
- [59:21]
James Debo Harrison
I always loved reading about the Quidditch matches and and I think the audio really gets it because it just plunges you right into the stands. You have the crowd sounds like all around you. It is surround sound, especially if you're listening in headphones.
- [59:37]
Joe
Listen to Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audio Book Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcast.
- [59:45]
James Debo Harrison
Foreign.
- [59:51]
Joe
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- [60:19]
James Debo Harrison
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- [60:49]
Joe
Okay, in the fourth quarter, that was the offense that gave up 14 points and they brought.
- [60:54]
James Debo Harrison
Listen, we still gave up too many yards, which gives them. Gives them more time possessing the ball, which helps them to wear us down, bruh. We gave up 164 yards rushing, Joe. In the regular season, we only averaged giving up 113. Mark's got 112 of that 19 carries by himself and damn near six a toe at the team that was averaging over five. You can't do that.
- [61:24]
Joe
No, no, you're right, you're right, you're right. We can't do that, Debo. We can't do that.
- [61:27]
James Debo Harrison
What does that do, bro? That opened up the threat of the play action. It gave it teeth.
- [61:33]
Joe
And that's why he kept in us with them bangs, because one was working. So everybody's running up wide open, dude. Yep, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct. They could have.
- [61:44]
James Debo Harrison
Only thing that really saved us, bro, is the three turnovers. That's why they didn't get more points. And on top of that, C.J. who. I don't even think this dude's Average is over 200 yards a game. Got 250. He got 250. Kirk had a career game of 144 after we got rid of Collins.
- [62:03]
Joe
But.
- [62:05]
James Debo Harrison
The offense, I will say the offense did absolutely nothing. I don't know why we changed what we did in the first couple drives. I don't know why. I know. Everybody go talk about Rogers this, Rogers that. I'm gonna tell y' all this. Anybody that know anything about this football thing. If we did not have Rogers out there, we would have probably. Mike. Coach T would have probably had his first losing season ever. We are damn sure not made the playoffs. So you can yell and scream and get mad. He owed. He tripped. He did see that. All that other stuff without him, we're not even there to lose it. Now think about this next year coming. We ain't got him. What, what's going to happen? I don't even think we ran the ball enough this game. Point blank period anyway. Well, I don't know if. Did we even run the ball? 15, 20. How many times we on the ball, Joe? Like the game was never out of hand. The play call made like we had to go and get. Give him the ball, man. Every play ain't gonna be a strike. But all we need is 3, 4 in the cloud of dust. Make your blocks, man. 18 carries.
- [63:28]
Joe
18 carries total for the game.
- [63:30]
James Debo Harrison
Total. Why? Why is it 18 carries total? How many plays? How many Plays. We got what, 50, 60 plays. Why.
- [63:40]
Joe
Man, like you said, still on.
- [63:42]
James Debo Harrison
The field, giving up too many yards, too much time.
- [63:48]
Joe
We was averaging 2.6 yards on first down. Debo, that's not gonna cut.
- [63:54]
James Debo Harrison
Not gonna cut it. Would you want to know what's not gonna cut it? First half, we didn't even complete a third down.
- [64:00]
Joe
Yeah, we went 2 for 13 on third down.
- [64:03]
James Debo Harrison
First time we didn't complete one. That's another record. I don't think that had been done since like 89. We breaking records left and right over here. We breaking records left and right. That's so great, huh? No, we breaking all the bad ones right now. 175 yards total in 20, 26. Last time the Steelers did, we almost beat our own record. And that was when you. I don't even know if they could pass the football then. What was the football made of then? Like a real cow. It didn't even inflate. You couldn't even throw that damn thing. Like, they banging out leather helmets, Joe.
- [64:57]
Joe
They is like.
- [64:59]
James Debo Harrison
No, it's no face mask on this, bro. It ain't no face mask. You. You telling me them boys ran 147, 147 yard in 1940 or six or whatever. It was seven with no face mask. It's teeth. I don't even think he got a mouthpiece in, Joe.
- [65:26]
Joe
Leather. Leather on his helmet. No face mask, no mouthpiece.
- [65:33]
James Debo Harrison
We thought Terry Bradshaw and then was playing with nothing. This, this is Nothing. That. That's 30 years before Terry Bradshaw and then even came around.
- [65:46]
Joe
Yeah, we gotta change some love, Debo. We got to do some. Some things got to change, my brother.
- [65:54]
James Debo Harrison
Like what do they say? The first time in. In NFL history to lose five consecutive playoff games by double digits. The worst yardage difference in NF in. In a playoff game in NFL history?
- [66:17]
Joe
Huh?
- [66:18]
James Debo Harrison
We breaking these records, bro. Who is this? I. You can.
- [66:25]
Joe
Who.
- [66:27]
James Debo Harrison
Man?
- [66:28]
Joe
Two field goals. Two field goals, right?
- [66:32]
James Debo Harrison
Like the worst. The worst win percentage in modern era. We have the worst playoff win percentage in the modern era. What? All time, Coach Town. These are facts. They say that's. That's worst all time. But as long as we, you know, the standard is the standard. And then like I told you before, the standard sound like to me it's 500. Standards sound like to me, Joe. That's what it sound like to me right now, Joe. It sounds like to me is 500. Because all these other records is. You know what we're looking at right now, Joe? Nine years. Nine year stretch not single, not, not a single play. Playoff win.
- [67:20]
Joe
Right.
- [67:20]
James Debo Harrison
Last time we won a playoff game, 2000. Was you even on the team, Joe? You weren't even on the team, Joe? No. Nope, I was on the team. That's how long next year, bro.
- [67:36]
Joe
Yep.
- [67:39]
James Debo Harrison
Yeah.
- [67:40]
Joe
It's getting this. It's not the way the Steelers want to go, brother.
- [67:44]
James Debo Harrison
It's not the way. It's the way the Steelers are going to go. You think they're going to do anything about it? They're not going to do. I'm not gonna say they're not going to do anything about it. What I'll say is I, I, I know there will be no changes made in 26 as far as far as a head person goes, because it won't be. That's just not what they're going to do. I think it'll be something where they'll just say, all right, we're gonna let it play out and, and, and then do whatever move they're gonna do from there. And the only way that does not happen is if Coach Thomas says, you know what, I'm going to do this or that come next year. And again, I will tell you like I told you before, Joe, if it's me, the money guarantee, I ain't gonna leave 10 sitting there just because of some background noise and all this other stuff y' all want to say, because my checks still go cash the same way.
- [68:41]
Joe
So this is the thing I'm saying, too. So you saying end of the day, he's going to have one more year left on this deal, so they're not going to fire him for show and then maybe not going to give an extension. So that means you could just play out your contract. So basically we're looking at if they don't do nothing this off season, then they don't renew.
- [69:00]
James Debo Harrison
If they don't pick up his option, which was for 27, I believe they said, then next year you got to.
- [69:07]
Joe
Pick it up March 1, 2026.
- [69:10]
James Debo Harrison
Yeah.
- [69:10]
Joe
So then that's, that's what I'm saying. And that's not a firing. That's just a parting of ways. A contract is done and it doesn't have to be nothing. It's actually have to be talked about because once that deal is done for that year, then you can go do whatever you want. So normally this off season will be the one. If there's not no extension, you playing your next year with no more years on your deal. So then it's just like after the season, you don't have a head coach because your head coach contract is up, right?
- [69:36]
James Debo Harrison
It's not a firing like I said it would be. Lb. I'm just not renewing.
- [69:42]
Joe
And that's the. When I played my last deal with the Steelers, it was three years. My three years was up, and they didn't like, fire me or nothing. But your contract is done, and there's no. There's not another one, right?
- [69:50]
James Debo Harrison
I mean, but. But something got to be done, bro. Like I said, it's records left and right. Right here, bro. We got tonight, last night, bro. Seven straight losses. It ties the longest playoff streak. He's now tied with Marvin Lewis for the longest playoff streak. Seven losses straight.
- [70:12]
Joe
Yeah.
- [70:14]
James Debo Harrison
Seven losses straight. Would you say. Would you say. Would you say Marvin Lewis is a great coach?
- [70:23]
Joe
I wouldn't say.
- [70:25]
James Debo Harrison
Okay, no.
- [70:27]
Joe
I would say he was great. Like, being a great coach. There's not too many great coaches, I think.
- [70:34]
James Debo Harrison
I think the word get threw around so much right now, though.
- [70:37]
Joe
Thrown around all the time, like, great coach. I'm like, no, he sounds a good coach. You know, saying great coaches. There's not that many great coaches.
- [70:44]
James Debo Harrison
You know what I'm saying?
- [70:48]
Joe
Yeah, I liked coaching. I thought Coach Steve were me, bro.
- [70:52]
James Debo Harrison
I've never said I don't like him. I just always said coach, bro. I'm not. I never. I don't think it's great. And I. I get it. Huh, Bruh. It's. It's. It's 1205, bro, and we got some chats to get, bro. We don't. We're gonna get to this. We're gonna get to this later, bro.
- [71:10]
Joe
This is what we need.
- [71:11]
James Debo Harrison
Yeah. Friday you got. I promise you, you got it Friday, bro. I promise you, you got it Friday. You understand what I'm saying?
- [71:18]
Joe
Okay. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. We need a little bit of just some time to let it just so we just. Just can't go off emotions, bruh.
- [71:28]
James Debo Harrison
I'm. Oh, I could. I could. I could. I could let off some emotions, but as you said, as you. I ain't gonna do it. I ain't gonna do it. I'm gonna go ahead. I'm gonna go ahead. I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get it on for. Like I said, I' ma sit back on that, too. I' ma sit back. I'm gonna get time to digest it, look at it, understand what it is, get a. Get clarity to it, not. Not be speaking out of emotions of what just happened. But get. We want to get. We ain't want to playoff game since 2016. Okay. 2017. Last time when we over went over to New England, we lost in. Okay, so 2016, that season is the last time we won. Now I'm going to look at that time frame to now, okay? I'm going to look at what it is that we haven't been doing. I'm gonna look at what it is that we were doing before that or what it is that, whatever that may be. Okay? I'm gonna take time, calm myself down, settle out, look at it and see. All right, we got Covenant Life back 20. We got Covenant Light back right here. 20$ she said my name is Veronica Fellows. The season, the season was ugly and frustrating and elite defense is wasted by broken offense, poor quarterback play, stalled drives, and another short playoff stay that exposed the team's lack of direction. That is very true. That is very true. The elite defense was not wasted by a broken offense because the elite defense wasn't elite. The elite defense was ranked 26. That's not an elite defense. I'm sorry to have to tell you that. Covenant lie. The names and the faces had elite reputations. But when they all got put together and it was put into play and the coordinators and whatever it is, the coaches got it together, it didn't pan out.
- [73:33]
Joe
How many points, how many points did we average, giving up? We was the ranked 16th defense. It was at 26 defensive yards or.
- [73:41]
James Debo Harrison
26 total.
- [73:44]
Joe
Total overall.
- [73:47]
James Debo Harrison
I don't give a damn about what you are at one thing because that one thing is not the only thing you play.
- [73:58]
Joe
We need it. But what about points though?
- [74:00]
James Debo Harrison
If you bend but don't break about the points, bro. I do.
- [74:05]
Joe
Points is the main thing. If you, if you're very.
- [74:07]
James Debo Harrison
Points is the main thing. Right, so points is the main thing. Yes. Okay, I understand what you're saying. But all that is rated together to give you your total.
- [74:19]
Joe
Okay?
- [74:20]
James Debo Harrison
We totally, totally ranked 26, bruh.
- [74:24]
Joe
That's ass.
- [74:27]
James Debo Harrison
26. It's only three teams below. I'm sorry, it's only six teams below us. We only got 32 teams in the league, Joe. I don't care what you. Oh, we're number. We're, we're. But we're number one in sacks. What do it matter if we're number one in sacks if we can't stop nobody from running the ball and they ain't gotta pass it? I'm just giving a hypothetical. Yeah, yeah.
- [74:53]
Joe
If they winning on first down and they don't have to run, they don't have to pass it then.
- [74:57]
James Debo Harrison
What does that mean? That's why it's total defense.
- [75:02]
Joe
I'm gonna come with my notes, too. For your ass. Debo.
- [75:05]
James Debo Harrison
On Friday, Covenant Life said against another 20. Stop pretending. Draft or trade for a real franchise quarterback. Overhaul the offensive staff. Rebuild the line. Quit wasting an elite defense. The defense is not elite, Veronica. It's not elite. Okay. It is not okay. Money and names don't count. Period. All right? Have measures and loyalty. Have. Have measures in loyalty. What is that? Projects are killing this team. Love you guys. 100k. Let's go. This is not. I don't think it's loyalty projects. Like I said. Again, we haven't. Dude, we're going to go over. Over. We're already. Okay, I'm doing. I'm going. So right now we have at. What is that? Lee Leaf. Leaf x. Underscore x. $5. Even though the season. Even though my braces be killing me, y'. All. Even though the season is over, I'm glad I had Yin's through the season. Love the show ads. Wishing all the best. And wishing all the best. She meant wishing. She meant. Yeah, I got you. Thank you. Mike. Mike Dash. 110 bucks he said. What up, Debo and Joe? With Mike T falling short yet again, Is it time to move on or run or run it back for another 500 season and first playoff round exit until the next time. Listen, bro, we can't even get into that right now. We ain't even got enough time. We're gonna talk about this on Friday for sure, though. We go. We go get deep into detail into it, man. Y' all make sure y' all back here, man, like Greg Ramsey. $58255 says looks like the Texans were Craig from Friday and the Steelers were Debo. Ah, man, listen, man, get that up out of here, man. I don't want to hear that. Understand? Look here, man. I seen that thing, too. We got the Iran Afghanistan vet. Four dollars, he said, man. Five dollars.
- [77:37]
Joe
Sorry.
- [77:38]
James Debo Harrison
He said, man, we're. We're sitting here down at the barbershop and we're all waiting for you to crash out. I ain't crashing out, bro. I crashed out. I cr. You should have been in that. I crashed out. If. If. Listen. That I could have my. My evil.
- [77:59]
Joe
You was pissed in that sweet brother, bro.
- [78:01]
James Debo Harrison
I could have, bro. I could. I could have kicked something, bro. I could have kicked something, bruh. Like, oh, my goodness, bro. We gonna be back here Friday, though, man. I'm trying to tell y', all, like we gonna. You'll get time, like, and then. Yeah, we're gonna try and get through everybody's super chat, though, today. Amber Jamil, $10 says it's been a front run for y' all all year. Debo and Joe, y' all made me laugh when I was angry about everything. Something gotta change next year. 6 points. It's just unacceptable. Agree with you. 106 points is unacceptable. 100 and. What was it? 75 yards is unacceptable. Everything about that is unacceptable. We're making history going backwards. Like, that's just.
- [78:47]
Joe
That's.
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James Debo Harrison
That's not. That's not. That's not conducive. It's not conducive to stellar football. Point blank period, man. The legacy, the lineage of. Of what you have here, what. What it. What it is, what it. What it means to be a Steeler man is not. It's not the same anymore. Like I said before, you don't just put this uniform on and now you're a Steeler. No, it's work. Oh, it's work to come with that, man. It's a mindset. It's determination. It's a play. You can have all that, man. But if you can't go out there and play the game and do your job. Every man post, whoop a man.
- [79:28]
Joe
Every good man.
- [79:29]
James Debo Harrison
That's it. First. First things first. Every man got a woman.
- [79:32]
Joe
One man whoop another man. That's football. One on one. It's very, very simple when you look at it like that. And I say we need some more individuals to whip the other.
- [79:43]
James Debo Harrison
We need to start getting guys to play the position that it entails. As far as the job description, if you're an interior lineman, I need you to be able.
- [79:59]
Joe
Put the knee down.
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James Debo Harrison
Put the knee down.
- [80:01]
Joe
Hold on, dude.
- [80:03]
James Debo Harrison
We got hamp in the box and say hemp. What's going on? I know they ain't right.
- [80:11]
Joe
I would. Look what you would have did, big hat. I would have had both of them.
- [80:14]
James Debo Harrison
What he said like this right here.
- [80:16]
Joe
I looked at it. He said, like, right here. I said, grab them.
- [80:20]
James Debo Harrison
It's right here. He said, they trying to push. All I'm gonna do is drop that leg and be right here, sitting right here on the line of scrimmage with two of them while my linebackers come flying down here filling holes, putting people down.
- [80:37]
Joe
Dead serious, too.
- [80:38]
James Debo Harrison
Like, dude, we got another one here. What is that? All Altezza Ace. All Tesla Ace. Of all the highest paid players perform. Why all the highest played. Why? Why all the highest paid Players perform the worst in the big games. Metcalf, Watt, Ramsey, Queen. Who else? Everybody but Cam. I wouldn't say they performed the worst, but it was definitely some bad performances. And I don't think Ramsey played bad. I don't think Watt played bad. I think he had a. A play there where he could have did something better. But for the most part, you know, it don't. It don't work like that, dude. Work like that. Here's the crazy thing, man, is y' all get. Any people that are baseball fans, they get excited. They go crazy. If a dude is batting.350, dude, we go out there and we. And we tackle 350, we're done. That means we missed seven tackles, bro. If we go. Go 300, we missed seven tackles out of 10. You won't keep your job.
- [81:54]
Joe
No.
- [81:55]
James Debo Harrison
Same thing with these offensive linemen. If he only blocked this man three times out of ten, he's successful, that.
- [82:03]
Joe
Gets hit upside his head. Seven servers, because of you. You're the worst. You're not in the NFL anymore.
- [82:09]
James Debo Harrison
Like, if you. If. If you go and you get a sack every eight plays, 10 plays, that's bad for a tackle. You going 40 passes, he. He averaging for a game. You do that over. Over 16 games or seven. Sorry, 17 games. Come on now. It ain't even. Never heard of you talking about 68 tackles. That ain't. That ain't happening. 68 sacks, rather. That ain't happening. Like, it's hard to get up there and win. Everything got to come together. Your cover's got to be on point. You got to be done. Got there in time to where the quarterback don't see it and can't get rid of it without intentionally grounding it or something. Like, it's a lot of things that got to come together, and there's multiple times where you beat somebody, and it's just, oh, he got it off. Like, everything got to come together.
- [83:04]
Joe
Yeah. So I ain't putting it on, T. I think T.J. he did. He just. When they don't see splash play, strip sacks and all that, you know what I'm saying? They like, why is he making so much money?
- [83:13]
James Debo Harrison
No question. What's this one Batch 2, Batch $10. One Batch 2, Batch$10. 19 seasons. Four of those had playoff wins, eight and 13 in the playoffs. Five of those wins came from 08, 2010, where we were legendary defense. Thankfully, for everything Tomlin has done, it is time to move on. I agree with you. Those were legendary defenses, and. Those defenses were already here. We'll get inside anyway. Okay, Joe. She said okay. Well, okay, Joe, like we said, we're going to look at a lot more into this game in the season, and I'm gonna be back here. What are you talking about? Who is this? Yeah. Why would you even do that? That's stupid. You're. You're a fool. Look here. No, I don't. I do it. Look here. Let's go.
- [84:26]
Joe
What happened, Debo?
- [84:27]
James Debo Harrison
Somebody I know.
- [84:28]
Joe
Somebody.
- [84:29]
James Debo Harrison
Somebody I know? Yeah. Oh, somebody I know. Anyway, get out the chat. Look here. What time is it? 12:18. Hey, man, come on back here Friday. We're gonna go into detail, more detail about what we feel need to be done, where we got to go, how we got to get it done, going from there. Joe.
- [84:56]
Joe
Yes, sir. Be back here Friday. I'm gonna have my notes, and we're going to talk about what we need to do and what should be done. Honestly, though, to try.
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James Debo Harrison
Hey, man. Thank you guys for joining us again. Thank you very much. Be back here Friday. Debo and Joe show. We go talk more. Yeah. This is an I heart podcast. Guaranteed human.