Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Aaron Rodgers Nearing Steelers Return, Darius Slay RIPS Pitt Defense, Browns QB Battle

Summary

Nightcap – Deebo & Joe, Part 1 (May 8, 2026)

Podcast by Shay Shay Media & Playmaker
Hosts: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe
Main topics: Aaron Rodgers’ possible Steelers return, Darius Slay’s critique of Pittsburgh’s defense, Browns QB battle, and NBA playoffs

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Brief Overview

In this lively Nightcap episode, James "Deebo" Harrison and co-host Joe deliver their signature unfiltered commentary on headline NFL stories—with particular focus on veteran Aaron Rodgers’ contract standoff with the Pittsburgh Steelers, Darius Slay’s candid take on the Steelers’ defensive philosophy, and the Browns’ looming quarterback competition. The episode is peppered with authentic player insight, memorable quotes, and energetic banter as the hosts also detour into NBA playoff talk and the challenges of NFL international games.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

NBA Playoffs Talk: Lakers & Cavaliers’ Struggles

[03:48–08:16]

• Opening banter: Deebo ribs Joe about the Cavaliers and Lakers’ playoff woes.
  • Joe insists “They protected their home court,” and both debate their teams’ chances.
  • Memorable moment: “Long as they don’t get swept. Bron gonna get—somehow, we’re gonna have to get one somehow some way, right?” (Joe, 07:32)
  • Deebo is skeptical about Cleveland’s chances, challenging Joe’s optimism.

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Aaron Rodgers’ Steelers Return – Contract Drama

[08:19–25:10]

• Latest reports & contract status:

  • Discussion on reports Aaron Rodgers is nearing a return to Pittsburgh.
  • Deebo reminds listeners Rodgers won’t decide until a real financial offer is on the table:
    • “Aaron is not going to give them a decision until they give him a number. Because he's not trying to come back and play for the same thing that he played.” (Deebo, 09:17)
  • Pittsburgh has reportedly offered $15 million, up from $12 million, but it's uncertain Rodgers will accept.

• Rodgers’ leverage and timeline:

  • The hosts analyze the negotiation, noting Rodgers’ leverage—a Hall of Fame QB, but now 43 years old.
    • “How bad does he really want to play?” (Deebo, 11:04)
    • “I'm not playing for 15 million. So let me go over there and see if we can possibly sit down and work something out.” (Deebo, 11:07)
  • Joe: “Until A Rod signs on the damn contract, he is not the quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers in my opinion...but when he does, he's the starter. Facts.” (Joe, 19:09)
  • OTAs start May 18; urgency mounting for Rodgers to sign before training camp.

• QB Development Angle:

  • Discussion of Kurt Warner’s high praise for Drew Aller, Steelers’ young QB prospect.
    • Warner: “[Drew Aller] is the most gifted thrower in this class...the talent jumps off the screen when you watch this guy throw.” (quoted by Deebo, 14:03–14:44)

• Potential outcomes debated:

  • If Rodgers waits and young QBs (Will Howard, Drew Aller) flash in camp, the offer could vanish.
  • Deebo: “Why would I halt his development by stopping it and bringing somebody in? You got to learn by fire. You got to be put into the fire.” (Deebo, 23:40)
  • Joe compares the end-of-career contract dynamics to aging veterans being pushed out: “There’s no that middle tier where dudes are making $60 million. They don’t care. I’m giving you $15 million to come play quarterback.” (Joe, 26:01)

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Darius Slay Criticizes Steelers Defensive Scheme

[28:05–31:32]

• Slay’s quote: Darius Slay, former Steelers corner, rips the defensive coverage strategy:

  • “I ain't gonna lie to you. That Pittsburgh stuff, that [ish] backwards over there, that ain't Tyrell Austin's [ish]. TA ain't teach that...We played outside leverage every effing play. That's why when you see Jalen Ramsey ever got scored on, he's chasing someone that's running away from outside leverage.” (Slay via Sports Analyst, 28:05)

• Hosts react:

  • Joe clarifies: Outside leverage was only used in the red zone, not on every play.
    • “He did. He didn’t say that. He said that they had to play outside leverage only in the red zone.” (Joe, 30:30)
  • Deebo calls relying on D-line pass deflections “goofy” and unrealistic; both agree strict outside leverage doesn’t add up.

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Steelers-Jaguars London Game: Why Pittsburgh was Blocked

[32:14–41:30]

• Jaguars block Steelers from international matchup due to fear that Steelers fans would take over the stadium (“gobble up seats”).
• Player perspective on international games:
  • Heavy focus on the tax burden and travel fatigue:
    • “The turnaround is crazy, bro. You flying all the way over there...and you gotta turn back around.” (Deebo, 36:25)
    • “All these teams that go, they try and be over there as little time as they can, because the amount of days you are over there, you get taxed each day.” (Deebo, 37:06)
  • Players’ schedules, routine disruptions, curfews, and exhaustion make these games unpopular—Deebo and Joe both voice strong preference for minimizing time spent abroad.
    • “If you're going out there to go play a game...we got a game to play. Like, everybody should be locked in.” (Joe, 39:03)

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Browns’ Quarterback Battle: Watson vs. Shador Sanders

[41:31–47:58]

• Malik Collins (Browns DL) comments: Open competition between Deshaun Watson and Shador Sanders, both “have a lot to prove.”

  • “It's going to be a quarterback competition, and I believe that Shador Sanders is probably going to win the competition.” (Joe, 43:20)

• Discussion on fairness and process:

  • Joe trusts coach Todd Monken’s competitive approach. Despite Watson’s $46 million salary, nothing is guaranteed.
  • Candid assessment of both QBs’ flaws and potential:
    • “He did not play unbelievable last year. He has footwork things he can work on. He has timing things he can work on.” (Joe on Shador, 43:24)
    • “If Shador ends up starting, I don’t think Shador is going to lose that job. I think he might go the whole way. If Deshaun Watson gets the job and plays amazing, that would be great. But I don’t see that happening.” (Joe, 46:30)
  • Passionate argument for giving Shador a fair chance despite personality critiques.

• Colorful response to media critics:

  • “This so-called beat writer...don’t put this stupid ass in the dock no more.” (Sports Analyst, 47:58)

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Notable Quotes

• "Aaron is not going to give them a decision until they give him a number. Because he's not trying to come back and play for the same thing that he played." – Deebo, [09:17]
• "Until a Rod signs on the damn contract, he is not the quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers in my opinion...but when he does, he's the starter. Facts." – Joe, [19:09]
• "You got to learn by fire. You got to be put into the fire. You can't sit back there and just watch." – Deebo, [23:40]
• "That Pittsburgh stuff, that [ish] backwards over there...We played outside leverage every effing play." – Darius Slay via Sports Analyst, [28:05]
• "Seriously, after we win the super bowl, we don’t make it, we lose in the playoffs. You got an offseason, you got those good little months...But for games and for tickets and for business. Oh, yeah, for sure. They want the Steelers." – Joe, [39:08]
• "If Shador ends up starting, I don’t think Shador is going to lose that job. I think he might go the whole way." – Joe, [46:30]

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Important Timestamps

| Time | Segment | |-----------|--------------------------------------------------| | 03:48 | Start of NBA banter: Cavaliers & Lakers | | 08:19 | Aaron Rodgers contract/saga begins | | 14:03 | Kurt Warner’s praise for Drew Aller | | 19:09 | Joe on Rodgers’ status: Only the contract matters| | 23:40 | Deebo on learning by fire for young QBs | | 28:05 | Darius Slay rips Steelers’ defensive scheme | | 32:14 | Steelers blocked from playing Jaguars in London | | 36:04 | NFL Europe & double tax discussion | | 41:31 | Browns QB battle: Collins on open competition | | 47:58 | Joe: Shador Sanders will likely win the job |

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Tone and Style

The hosts remain candid, energetic, sometimes biting in their takes, and draw heavily on their own pro experience and locker room culture. The language is authentic and occasionally explicit, emphasizing real-talk and player-first perspectives. Humor and rivalry keep the episode engaging throughout, offering both deep analysis and laughs.

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Summary

This Nightcap episode spotlights the high-stakes NFL offseason drama: Will Aaron Rodgers truly return for one last Steelers ride, or do the young QBs take over? Darius Slay’s defense critique offers rare insight into the complexities and gripes within NFL schemes. The Browns’ QB room promises fireworks and controversy, as Joe makes the case for Shador Sanders with personal conviction. Along the way, the hosts reflect on the NBA playoffs and share an insider’s view on the hassles of playing abroad. For fans eager for a mix of insight, beef, and authenticity, this episode delivers it all.

Transcript

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[Joe (Co-host)]

Sir, yes, sir.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Make sure you, like, subscribe and download where you get the show. How you doing today?

[Joe (Co-host)]

I'm doing great, brother. Debo. Doing lovely. Great day to be.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I ain't gonna even lie to you, bro. I didn't even think I would see you today. I like, because, like, I didn't see you Tuesday. But hey, it is what it is. You know what I'm saying? We here now. We go do what we go do, Bro. I was going down memory lane, bro.

[Sports Analyst]

And this hat right here, bro, is

[Joe (Co-host)]

my daddy's hat, okay?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

It's my daddy's hat.

[Sports Analyst]

It's from the first super bowl we won, man. And, dude, this the ring. And, bruh, like,

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

you wanna know why I wore this?

[Joe (Co-host)]

What's up, man?

[Sports Analyst]

Cause the Lakers and this and.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And your Cavaliers down O2. And who did it? Detroit. Look at that. Look where I won this at. Detroit. Detroit.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I thought. I thought she was getting the most. I thought she was getting the most.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Oh, yeah, you. You thought wrong. It's the D for me. Hey.

[Joe (Co-host)]

What?

[Sports Analyst]

Hey.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

That's why I thought you weren't gonna show up. I knew you was like, yo, I can't show up now.

[Sports Analyst]

I was like, okay.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm like, damn. They just got bopped again by double digits.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Is he goes, all they all they did. All they all they did. They protect their home court. They protect the home court. They won two at their crib. Now we gotta go protect ours. We gotta go protect our house.

[Sports Analyst]

No, they about to sweep.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Sound crazy. You sound crazy. Out your mind. Ain't no sweeps, ain't no brooms. They did what they had to do. They protected home. They protected their home.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Oh, that's what they did.

[Joe (Co-host)]

They did. They did what they had to do. They protect their home court. And guess what we're going to do? We're going to have to do what we got to do. Cav situation is completely different, though, than the Lakers situation. I will let you know that.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What's the difference?

[Joe (Co-host)]

The difference is the Lakers are outnumbered in so many different ways. Oklahoma City Thunder, Shay Gilders Alexander hasn't even been being Shay Gilders Alexander, and we still lost.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Well, Harden been doing over there with the cast.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Okay, so the Cavs, at the same time, they protected their home. We gotta close out.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I don't. I don't. I don't want. What has Harden been doing?

[Joe (Co-host)]

He's been. He's been. He's been turning it over a little bit too much. Just a little bit. But it's still. They protected their home field. We. When we go home, when we go to our.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So some turnover is okay, just not too much?

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yes, sometimes because he has the ball in his hands all the time. If you had a ball in your hands all the time, you're gonna have a turnover or two, four or five. What was they?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Three? How many. How many threes they shooting? How many did they make? What was that? I don't even know. I don't know.

[Sports Analyst]

I heard something crazy.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Maybe like three of something.

[Joe (Co-host)]

We got to do a better job finishing these games. I'm not lying. I'm understanding. I'm letting you know it's not looking. It's not looking as positive as I thought. But we still got. We still got a chance. They still got to come into Cleveland and get them Dubs. So Mitchell Harden, Jared Allen Mobley. You know what I'm saying? My Goodman, everybody, let's go. When they come over there, let's do what we got to do. The Lakers. Okay. Okay. It's a. It's a lot. It's a different situation. We just need. I just need them to get one. Just get one. Don't get swept. But OKC is a different animal. I told you.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Oh, so you.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Okay.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Long as they get.

[Sports Analyst]

Long as they get one, it's cool.

[Joe (Co-host)]

What?

[Sports Analyst]

Long as they don't get sweat.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Definitely. They. They can't get sweat. Bron gonna get somehow. We're gonna have to get one somehow some way, right?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm talking about Cleveland.

[Joe (Co-host)]

We're not gonna get swept. Cleveland's still Gonna win it. I still like Cleveland to win it. We're not. We're not out. We're down 02. They gotta come to our spot. We're gonna win our two games. It's going to be two. Two going back to Detroit.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Am I hearing something? Maybe I started smoking dope or something like is. I'm did. What did you. Did you just say they gonna come back and win it? I'm getting old.

[Sports Analyst]

That's what it is.

[Joe (Co-host)]

It's still Cleveland. Cleveland. We still got our shot. Harden ain't been doing what he got to do exactly. Just with a little bit.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He don't do what he got to do in the playoffs.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Let's get it. They are. They are.

[Sports Analyst]

I'm just saying, brother. I'm just saying.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Look here, man.

[Sports Analyst]

Reports say that Aaron Rodgers is heading back to Pittsburgh now. It's also a recent report that said

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

ain't nobody seen this man or heard nothing about him being.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Oh, you know, they tracking flights, bro.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You think Aaron flying regular? He's playing, bro. You got 400 million, man, that you don't made plus all this other stuff. He ain't.

[Joe (Co-host)]

They got PJ trackers too,

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

dude.

[Joe (Co-host)]

What you think?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Listen.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yes, me.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Listen. I'm gonna tell you what I'm saying. You know, Joe, Joe, I go, you know, I go a little bit of here, a little bit of there.

[Joe (Co-host)]

You everywhere. You're all over the place. I just.

[Sports Analyst]

I just, you know, like.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Like the other day, I'm like, yo, I don't want to talk about this no more. But they keep bringing it up.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Debo,

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm gonna tell him like this, bro. I said this all the way back.

[Sports Analyst]

What was it like March, End of

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

March, something like that.

[Sports Analyst]

I'm like, yo, the Steelers don't understand. Aaron is not going to give them a decision until they give him a number. Because he's not trying to come back and play for the same thing that he played.

[Joe (Co-host)]

They gave him a number.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey.

[Sports Analyst]

And I said, hey, Aaron, when he

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

was on the Pat McAfee show, he said himself, they ain't gave me no offer yet.

[Sports Analyst]

So it's nothing for me to decide on what I'm gonna do yet to

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

even make a decision.

[Sports Analyst]

Okay.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

All right.

[Sports Analyst]

And most people think like a. Without Aaron, I'm one of those people,

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

we don't even get to 500, we

[Sports Analyst]

damn sure don't make the playoffs. So that 12 million dollar contract, he done outplayed that. Like that's, that's, that's way for that. And he's like, yo, you want me

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

back, I'm gonna need to be compensated.

[Sports Analyst]

Especially when you got, what is it, mid tier quarterbacks making 20 to 30

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

million dollars a day. Hey, so what the Steelers do, they say, all right, cool. They made him offer by putting an unrestricted free agent.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yeah. 20 increase.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So they said, come back, you go get 15 million, you can come back,

[Sports Analyst]

you know, after training camp starts.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And even before training camp starts, you

[Sports Analyst]

can still go out there and, and, and pursue other offers because who wants a 43 year old quarterback right now?

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yes, yes. Okay.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

It's, it's not like he's gonna have a whole bunch of offers there. Okay? But if you don't sign before training camp start, hey, we the only option you got.

[Sports Analyst]

So you can sign with us and

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

get that money that we go give you, or you can sit out, which

[Sports Analyst]

he can't do, or, or you could

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

rep retire because this is more than likely going to be his last year playing football. So it's going to come down to

[Sports Analyst]

how bad does he really want to play.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So the report of him coming back, I believe is because he's like, yo,

[Sports Analyst]

I'm not playing for 15 million. So let me go over there and see if we can possibly sit down and work something out. You know what I'm saying? You know, let's sit down, talk about this and see, you know, you know,

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

where we go, where can we get

[Sports Analyst]

what are, what are y' all willing to, to give me and what is Aaron, you know, maybe willing to accept? But that's, we don't know what that is. Okay, so it's another thing, though, that has me like, maybe he's like, you know what, let me get in here because ain't nobody knocking my door down. Let me jump over here and get in this thing first and go ahead

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

and try and get a deal done

[Sports Analyst]

before they get a chance to see if Will Howard and Drew Aller or both of them look like something start tearing it, right.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Start tearing it up in camping OTAs.

[Sports Analyst]

And I believe if that happens, Aaron loses some leverage.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Okay.

[Sports Analyst]

And you take what happened with Mike McCarthy, what they said, you know, towards the end with him and Aaron, that reportedly the, the relationship was strained, you know, towards the end of that. Like, yo, he, maybe he's going to see, hey, is it, how strange was it?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What is it?

[Sports Analyst]

And now you got the talk of Aaron, he's coming back. You know, the Steelers believe that he's coming or that he's going to go and sit down, but that number is not going to be 15 million. So he's going to sit down to

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

try and get a deal done to

[Sports Analyst]

secure basically his last year of playing football, if that's, you know, what. What he's. He wants to do. And I believe that's what he wants to do. I believe he wants to play this year and, you know, if he could go ahead in this last year and possibly, you know, catch lightning in a bottle, you know what I'm saying? So maybe it's another part of me

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

that's thinking like, okay, so maybe he's

[Sports Analyst]

like, hey, I come down there, I get in, and now I can go and be the guy that's actually, you know, helping with these dudes. You know, I believe he wants to, you know, get in there or had the opportunity to get in there and. And, you know, work with Will.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Okay.

[Sports Analyst]

And so, you know, and show them the process of, you know, how. How things could go, you know, and be able to say, you know, hey, I got. I got another one under my belt.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He already had Will.

[Sports Analyst]

Now. Now he could have Drew. Especially when you look at what Kurt Warner said just a few minutes ago.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Oh, about Drew Aller.

[Sports Analyst]

He said, quote, he is the. He said he is the most gifted thrower in this class. In this entire class, and even ahead of Mendoza, Simpson.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And he said, I know a lot

[Sports Analyst]

of people have ranked higher. Have Mendoza and Simpson ranked higher than them, but he said he's naturally. He's a naturally gifted thrower. Okay.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Warner also said that his arm. Talent.

[Sports Analyst]

He said the. The talent jumps off the screen when

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

you watch this guy throw.

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[Sports Analyst]

He said it's effective.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He's no, he said it's effortless.

[Sports Analyst]

Sorry.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

It's effortless for him to push the ball down the field.

[Sports Analyst]

One of the questions always with a big armed quarterback was if he can control the big arm and be able to consistently to be consistent with his accuracy. Okay, so right now he said if. He also said, well if he could do that basically that he be the still of the draft and because he would be the best quarterback in this draft, boom, basically. Now that's good.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Warner, I like Warner, is a hall of Famer. He's a two time mvp. So like I said, maybe this is the opportunity where Aaron is like yo, let me check this out and see. Maybe I could get in there and help develop another young quarterback. And now I got two guys talking about, yo, when, you know, my rookie year or my first two years, Aaron really helped me out, you know, and did this and that. Like I said, I'm a little bit of everywhere.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I'm all over the place too. I'm all over the place, Debo. All over the place. The reason why I'm all over the place is because you're telling me if we. You. You hot, you on fire. You good?

[Sports Analyst]

I'm on fire. Go ahead.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I'm all over the place, Debo. And the reason why is because if we were to get Aaron Rodgers back. I'm never saying I want Will Howard or Drew Aller to get in there before Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is one of the best spinners of the ball that I've ever seen. I love him as a quarterback. And like you said, if he's on our team, he's starting. None of these other dudes, like you said, Will or Drew, all the potential, all that stuff, they have nothing on a Rod. So if a rod was in the facility, if a Rod comes back in the building, soon as he steps in there, you are the starting quarterback instantly. And when I say other things about Drew, I want, like, give Drew a shot. It's never if a Rod's on the team. If Aod's on the team, he got the keys, you know what I'm saying? So y.

[Sports Analyst]

That.

[Joe (Co-host)]

That's why I want to state that off by when everybody's saying ojo, Will, da, da. You always pushing Will. I'm saying that because a rod is 43. He doesn't. He's not on the squad. He could not sign. We're saying the reports that he's on the plane coming in town, nobody's seen him. You know what I'm saying? So it's still. Until a Rod signs on the damn contract, he is not the quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers, in my opinion, because there's been all these timelines, there's been all these dates. He's supposed to sign now. He's supposed to sign before camp. He's supposed to sign before here. He did not sign. Everybody's expecting, everybody's waiting. So I'm like this. Until a Rod signs, he's not the quarterback of the team. But when he does, he's the starter. Facts. So let me get that out. The way we have May 18, Debo is when OTAs start, and if we want. If Drew Aller and Will Howard, we're going to start being able to get them reps. Like the first weeks, you know, it's just meetings. The first two weeks, meetings, you can't do nothing. You can't even go on the field. Then the third, the next three weeks is nine weeks. The next three weeks on field workouts, you know what I'm saying? With individual.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I think we get a little extra time because we got a new coach.

[Joe (Co-host)]

You do. You get a little more extra time. That's even better. So we might get like 11 weeks. So all I'm saying is if a rod is not there, this is where we do get the time to see how good they are. I'M hearing you now. A Rod, if you want to come in there and like we have been building the team to be successful with whoever the quarterback is. So I'm saying if you are in there and now you have more weapons, we have a better offensive line. We did get some people on defense. So you're saying the same thing. I'm like a Rod. If this is going to be a last year, you see what the team has got. Please come, please sign. So now we know what we got. You're getting those reps. These younger dudes can learn. And now we can get the best of the best of what we have for this team. It is going to be what it is. So we might be get to the playoffs, win a game. Even if it's. I don't know if that's Super Bowl. Hopefully it can be if we have a good enough defense, a good enough running game, a good enough special teams. A Rod is the best version of itself. Pittman balls out. You know what I'm saying? Our new running back, Rico Donald, balls out. Everybody just plays to the best of their ability. Our defense, T.J. highsmith, Ramsey Porter, all of these names.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Ball out.

[Joe (Co-host)]

We got a lot of all pros on offense. We got a lot of all pros on defense. Our linemen, you know what I'm saying? Our running game is special. If all of this happens and A Rod is there, it's amazing. So I want our team to be able to start building towards something. So a Rod signing. Yes. But if they. If he doesn't get here, I'm just looking at it like that's going to be the opportunity where Otas comes. Dudes can really get that time like Will Howard, Drew. We can see what they can do. We can see like getting. Getting what the team's going to look like. So I'm never knocking A Rod. I want him to be on the team, but it's like he can do. He's going to do whatever he wants to do. I'm waiting for the timeline. I'm waiting for him to sign because when he signs, now I know what we got. When he doesn't, I'm leaning towards our team's still going to be good no matter who is under center.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

My thing is this.

[Sports Analyst]

He, in my opinion is not signing Jack for 15. They're going to have to upgrade. I just do not see it happening.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Is. Is. Did you think this is what I'm saying? Debo with that? I don't think other teams, nobody else is not.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

It don't matter about others. I think he's.

[Joe (Co-host)]

15 million.

[Sports Analyst]

I think he'd rather retire than take 15 million, bro.

[Joe (Co-host)]

That's. If that's the case, then I rather

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

think that, why not sign it now and get it out the way? That's what I'm saying.

[Joe (Co-host)]

If that's the case, like, maybe because he doesn't wanna. Just because he doesn't have to. He doesn't. He knows it's on the board. He doesn't want to go to OTAs, maybe. You know what I'm saying? Just being okay.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

But the Steelers aren't saying anything like, oh, he ain't gave up for sure. Yeah, I'm coming. I'm gonna be there. I know. In the camp. Don't so worry about nothing. Like, what are you. My thing is this. If he's not signed before we get done.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Before you get. That's what I'm saying. Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And training. And training. And right before, like, training camp starts a lot, I don't think they go sign him unless they don't like what they see in Will Howard and. And Aller.

[Joe (Co-host)]

But that. But that's what I.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Why would I slow down their progress to bring you in and halt it when I know, especially if I feel like I. If Mike McCarthy feels like I have the guys that I need here right now and one of these dudes can be the guy that I need. I just need to develop him. Why would I halt his development by stopping it and bringing somebody in? You got to learn by fire. You got to be put into the fire. You can't sit back there and just watch. You got to be put into the fire.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I'm saying the same thing that you're saying, but that's when we had to put our mind up in a rod. A rod don't give a damn about the Steelers. For real. He's really on his time. So that's why I'm looking at it where you're saying. If A rod signs, instantly. Get in there, work with your receivers, get it done. We got May 18th. OTAs are starting to come. OTAS is going to be here. If you're not going to be there, then we gotta. We gotta move on. You know what I'm saying? He got. Until he says, I'll chill. I'll wait until July 28th. If the contract is still there. He signs July 28th, right before training camp. He can still. I'm still putting a rod in over those dudes because you got.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Not if I'm seeing what Kurt Werner was talking about. And he can control that big arm and he could place that ball. Why would I stop that? I'd be a damn fool.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I feel you.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I feel you.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I'm with you, Debo. I didn't. Aaron Rodgers is holding the team hostage in a way there where I'm respecting him at the very beginning while I'm saying all of those accolades and respecting him as a whole.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I understand that. And we also got a. A guy in Mike McCarthy as a head coach that's a quarterback. Supposed to be guru of developing quarterbacks.

[Joe (Co-host)]

That's what I'm with you. I'm saying that all the A Rod got the team still if. If they can pull, pull they. They put up the unrestricted. If he wants more money, Debo, I'm saying there's no way he's going to play for the Steelers. Then for sure they're going to give him that 15 million and that's what it is. And if you think you're going to go play for somebody else, you're going to have to go go sign that contract. Go find you.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You don't think he can squeeze another three or five out of.

[Joe (Co-host)]

No, no, no, no, no. It's 15 or you gotta go. Because the same way with like when you're. You're getting old. Patrick Peterson, my good man, they gave him no, he had to go sign forward. They were talking about practice squad. Like, there's a point where as soon as you get out, it's like, no. You went from $10 million a year to practice squad. I went from the same thing. $10 million a year. I couldn't find a deal. There's like no Joe, you. How about five? They're like this. No P squad or you're not going to be able to sign here. Like your time is done. So I'm feeling like a rod. Love him to death. You're going to be first by the hall of Fame. But there's no that middle tier where dudes are making $60 million. They don't care. I'm giving you $15 million to come play quarterback. I don't give a damn what everybody else is making. That's not you. You going to get this 15. You know what I'm saying? Come get it. Come take it or not, because if you don't, we got Will, we got Drew, and we can put that 15 to other talent. We can come help out some more. That's not just $0. That's 15 million. You can go get some really good players that look at 15 like okay. Yes. Sign me today. I'll take that 15. I'll take four of that you got. You can go get three good dudes. You know what I'm saying? At four million a piece. I know, but I'm just saying, when you talk about $15 million,

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

if Aaron come. We already got one, too.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I feel you. But I'm just saying, that 15 million, you got quarterbacks. If you think those are the dudes and they end up showing you, like you said, like Kurt Warner, then they might pull a joint.

[Sports Analyst]

Can you pull it?

[Joe (Co-host)]

Can't pull it. But I'm just saying, if they're looking good, Debo, and he still comes back

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

and signs the contract, I'm pulling the offer off the table.

[Joe (Co-host)]

If he.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They looking like that. If he ain't signing. Yeah, you can't pull it.

[Sports Analyst]

I think.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Dude, I'm. That's. I'm saying.

[Sports Analyst]

Goodness. Yeah.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

We're gonna check that out and find that out.

[Joe (Co-host)]

The doors. The door is open.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm just.

[Sports Analyst]

Dude, I'm just.

[Joe (Co-host)]

We need.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

We need. Every time we get on here, we gotta talk.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I know. Because it keeps on happening. And he's supposed to be catching. I'm like, you know how we feel.

[Sports Analyst]

Listen, bro, your boy Darius, like, he had. He had some comments about the Stiller defensive schemes. He said, I ain't gonna lie to you. That Pittsburgh stuff, that ish backwards over there, that ain't Tyrell Austin's ish. TA ain't. TA ain't teach that. T ain't teach none of that issue in effing Detroit. We played outside leverage every effing play. That's why when you see Jalen Ramsey ever got scored on, he's chasing someone that's running away from outside leverage. Slay added that the Steelers were coached to play outside levers because the defensive line was expected to bat

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

to bat

[Sports Analyst]

balls down if passes win inside. I don't know if the.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

This is what these co.

[Sports Analyst]

He said. This is what these coaches were telling me. You play outside leverage, and if they catch the ball inside, it's on the D line because they're so good at batting the ball down. I'm not banking on that. That's the only thing I did not like about the Steelers, bruh. This can't be real. Is it? Huh? I never heard that we counting on

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

the D line to bat the ball down.

[Sports Analyst]

I never heard.

[Joe (Co-host)]

No, man, I mean, you. No, I talked to Slay, and I'm saying when I. What is he asking about the outside leverage? Because we play corner And I'm like, slay, did they tell you to play outside leverage on everything? Like, was it. No alignment splits. He said that was only in the red zone. In the red zone, you had to play outside leverage on everything. So I'm gonna put that out there. You did play splits. The stuff. It was in the red zone. Everything on the red zone, you play outside leverage. So that. That is one thing that he did say with the.

[Sports Analyst]

Why would I do that? That's crazy.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Batting the ball down. I could see how when you.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You're saying Rush, dude, that's not on

[Joe (Co-host)]

the D line at all. No, that doesn't make any sense. I'm saying that, yes, that part didn't make any sense. But Rush and coverage does work together. When we're saying that if you got a catch and tackle some things like that. But I complete.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm telling you, you don't have to cover nothing.

[Sports Analyst]

Inside play outside beverage.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And the D line is supposed to bat everything down. That is.

[Joe (Co-host)]

That. That is not. That is. That is. That is. That is goofy. That is goofy. And I don't. That's not. He did. He didn't say that. He said that they had to play outside leverage only in.

[Sports Analyst]

On.

[Joe (Co-host)]

In the red. I mean, in the red zone.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I can't. I can't. I can't give you that either.

[Sports Analyst]

It's too much inside.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Just goal line.

[Sports Analyst]

I understand. You still.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

It's still 40. It's still 52 yards on outside. Still 52 yards wide. So you're telling me I'm playing outside leverage and let everything else go in. That's crazy.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yes. Thank you. When I played outside leverage as a corner two. That means not everything.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Were you ever taught to just play outside in the red zone? Well, you didn't play under them, did you? You play. Who did you. Did you play under.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Under ta? Yeah, I did. He was my. He was my cornerback coach. But then the next year, he went to defensive coordinator, so I played with him as my DB coach.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Where were you taught as a DB coach?

[Joe (Co-host)]

I mean, it wasn't always. It was more. It was more alignment. It was leverage. If the receiver was lined up outside of the numbers, it was more you. Your inside. You know what I'm saying?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So who was. Oh, you had.

[Joe (Co-host)]

And he had ga, too.

[Sports Analyst]

Dude, let's stop playing, bro. Ain't nobody there. No. Nobody did a job that was actually titled to him that was ran by somebody else. Everybody got a title and got paid for it, but very few people did the actual job of the title. We go move on from that man. The Steelers blocked from the London game.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Jaguars are reportedly protecting their matchup against

[Sports Analyst]

the Steelers because they know it's guaranteed to be a sellout because of how well still a fans travel and gobble up seats in opposing stadiums. Of course they know what we do.

[Joe (Co-host)]

We go be there.

[Sports Analyst]

We will take up, we take over stadiums. Joe, we meaning me in this, in the chat, not you. You stay over there with all that Cleveland stuff. You've been talking about the basketball team.

[Joe (Co-host)]

You already know what time, you already know what it is rocking with the land. But anytime the Steelers are not against the Browns, always.

[Sports Analyst]

Hey, but that ain't the real reason. You know what the real reason is? Y' all don't nobody want to go all the way over there, man, and play no game, bro. You just don't nobody.

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[Joe (Co-host)]

You think the Steelers don't want to go to the London game? I went last year. That one was fun, right? Went to Ireland. That joint was a good time.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Did you play over there when you played? Did you play?

[Joe (Co-host)]

No, I did not.

[Sports Analyst]

Okay, you didn't play overseas when you played?

[Joe (Co-host)]

Okay, well, I know for the players,

[Sports Analyst]

you know, you get taxed there and. And in the States, players have to play taxes over there. Like, they got the similar taxes that

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

we got over here.

[Sports Analyst]

Like, they got a job tax over there, too, and you end up playing taxes over there in the United States.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So you play in the country that you played in. And here. I know I played NFL Europe. I did.

[Sports Analyst]

NFL Europe, dude.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Like, real talk, I was over there

[Sports Analyst]

in Dusseldorf, Germany, bro. Like, no way.

[Joe (Co-host)]

So it's like.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Dude, it's not.

[Joe (Co-host)]

It's not because it's because of the taxes. It's because you're getting taxed.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

The turnaround is crazy, bro. You talking about you flying all the way over there, you. What is it, 8, 10, 12 more hours, depends on where you're going, and you got to turn back around. And then they talking about, what is it now? It ain't even a short week no more. They trying to get it cut to where a short week means.

[Sports Analyst]

If you get four days, it ain't

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

a short or five days, it ain't a short week no more. So they trying to get you on, like, two. Two games where they can hit you on a Monday and. And a Thursday, or, I'm sorry, a Sunday and a Thursday. And that being. That ain't a short week.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Huh? Stop playing, bruh. When I played over there, bro, and of course, we were over there, like, the whole time.

[Sports Analyst]

So the longer you're over there, the more you get taxed.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

That's why all these teams that go, they try and be over there as little time as they can, because the amount of days that you are over

[Sports Analyst]

there, you get taxed each day.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So cast, they go over there and they like, they there for a week or they stay there for two weeks. And because they Got to play a back to back, man. They getting cracked over the head over there and here. Dude, I was getting about real talk

[Sports Analyst]

about 40 of my check back then, bro. I was making.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, bro, I was making. I was making like 450, 500 a

[Sports Analyst]

week doing NFL Europe, dude. Because they were hitting you so hard with taxes, dude. And that was for like eight or ten weeks, bro.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Like I don't know how the dudes that had families, I don't even know how they were over there for like two months, bro, two and a half

[Sports Analyst]

months taking care of their family and all that.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And everybody got paid the same thing except for the quarterbacks. The quarterbacks might have got like three or five hundred dollars more a week, but that was it. Like you walking like they walking away with maybe 7, 800. Everybody else before 50, $500. Dang.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Okay question though. If you was when you're doing it for the league and you went over there, are you still getting what. How much are they taxing you for from the NFL checks when we go play over there? Because I didn't go play.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I did a whole NFL Europe season. So I don't know what they tax them and it's different in different countries

[Sports Analyst]

too, however they do it but.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And then some of them will give you a tax credit back so you don't get double tax through.

[Sports Analyst]

However. However that works.

[Joe (Co-host)]

I was thinking about mostly for me, I mean I would say is it just the tax purposes or I wouldn't really like when I went out.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I don't want to fly over there and then have to turn back around.

[Joe (Co-host)]

It was for the. I went out there last year as a fan watching the game, got to see. And I was thinking if I was going to actually go play, it's a completely different time thinking about being in the season and like everybody else is on vacation. When they come visit you, they ready to have a good. Hey, what you got going? I'm like this. I am locked in right now because I got to go.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I just flew 12 hours. Now they go straight to practice.

[Joe (Co-host)]

No, no, no. For sure, for sure. When I went it was more fan I would think just traveling during season prep, being able to get to the stadium the night before. Boom. Sleep. You got your routine. Knocking out a routine during the season is a reason why that would be the biggest thing. Why I'm not tripping on going over there for the. I'll go during my off season when I can go travel and actually go enjoy it. Go see the stuff when you going out There to go, playing a game. If you're gonna go see stuff, you're out there for the wrong reasons. We got a game to play. Like, everybody should be locked in curfew. Thank you. Chilling, because end of the day, it's only during the season. This is one week you can go see that. Seriously, after we win the super bowl, we don't make it, we lose in the playoffs. You got an offseason, you got those good little months, like, when the season's still going on, you could travel, still get your work in. But your time where you can go, really actually enjoy yourself. So it's like a business trip for me, like, when you go out to that stuff. So my biggest reason why I wouldn't want to go is, like, I'm not tripping because I got a job to do. But for games and for tickets and for business. Oh, yeah, for sure. They want the Steelers. You will sell anything out. Traveling crazy out there because they want

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

to see you, bro, you talking. You losing six hours easy, for sure.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Player wise, schedule wise, you're really just trying to stay as routine as possible that you talk about knocking routine.

[Sports Analyst]

I'm not doing that. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not trying to do that.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hell, I don't even like going.

[Joe (Co-host)]

And they keep the time, keeping the schedule. The same clock don't change.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

When I was with Cincinnati, dude, we

[Sports Analyst]

went out there early.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm like, why in the hell are

[Sports Analyst]

we going out here a whole day and a half, two days early, bro? For what?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

We gained three hours.

[Joe (Co-host)]

We go out that joint last minute, keep the schedule, keep the time what it is. We just changed it. In my mindset, every clock I see should be like, we're still in the east coast, bro.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Right? And then we get there, bro, and

[Sports Analyst]

they want to curfew you.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Go try.

[Sports Analyst]

You go curfew me on a Wednesday

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

and a Thursday, bro. I know how that. What did you talk about?

[Sports Analyst]

No, don't bring me out here, bro.

[Joe (Co-host)]

No, no. I could have stayed.

[Sports Analyst]

Don't bring me out here, man.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

All you doing is upset.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Facts, facts.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So your boy.

[Sports Analyst]

What's his name? Defensive lineman Malik Collins, he said, man, he said, listen, I've seen the type of player Deshaun Watson is. He said, I've seen how dynamic he is in the past. He said, I think he has a lot to prove. I think Shador is super talented. I think he also has a lot to prove going forward. I think they. I think they said it was going to be an open Competition. So made the best man win. So he was talking about the two quarterback.

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[Joe (Co-host)]

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[Sports Analyst]

Two quarterbacks battling it out for the. For the thing. Because you had some. Somebody that wrote a article saying that DeSean had the edge, and he's like, Nah, DeShawn ain't got the edge. It's open competition. They both got what they got. And then you got some cats, the Browns. That is some writer that believes Todd Monkin has already made a big mistake by not naming a starter. Starting quarterback. There doesn't need to be. There doesn't need to be a quarterback competition resulting in a There doesn't need to be a quarterback competition resulting in the young starting skill player position practicing with the quarterback who isn't going to start

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

anyway.

[Sports Analyst]

He thinks it should be a quarterback there practicing with the guys who go start.

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[Sports Analyst]

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[Joe (Co-host)]

Dude, not listen to him. Listen, bro, listen. You know how that is. Everybody wanting to rush everything, bro.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I don't even not type this article. Why did y' all even put this in?

[Joe (Co-host)]

Who is this man? So, long story short, and I'm going to go off Malik Collins. Malik Collins is making sense. It is going to be a quarterback competition, and I believe that Shador Sanders is probably going to win the competition. When they're saying early on right now he was getting more reps, it is what it is. That's what happens in the competition. They still haven't been to OTAS yet. He's going to have to split the reps. And by the time we get to training camp, Todd Monkin said that he's going to have a starting quarterback that he want that he's going to name right now. Debo, you know how it is when you don't have a quarterback. Everybody's going to bring up every single situation, and then we're going to come on here and talk about it every single day and literally feel like we're being repetitive in what we're talking about because people just. Everybody got something to say about the quarterback position. Everybody got something to say. But when I listen to Todd Monken and he's telling me, end of the day, it is going to be a quarterback competition. Desean Watson and Shador Sanders, I believe both of them are going to be able to get their chances in OTAs to show how good they really are going. And I think Shador is going to still be able to continue the ball. He did not play unbelievable last year. He has footwork things he can work on. He has timing things he can work on. He has awareness, things in the pocket that he can work on. So there's so much growth. But I like to think that now when you have a quarterback coach, you have a head coach that are also trying to help you out, they're giving you, you're getting a equal opportunity, you're getting first team reps, you may be splitting them with Deshaun, but back in the day last year, you didn't see the first team, you didn't see anybody, they didn't give you a chance at all. So at least right now, Desean, coming in healthy, making $46 million a year, was a franchise quarterback. I seen him, he just coming off two ACLs and he still didn't perform too well back in the day. But when you're making $46 million, you're going to get the benefit of the doubt, you're going to get an opportunity because that 46 gives you just due. And you've been doing your job, you've been rehabbing, you've been staying out the way, you haven't been making any mess, you haven't been trying to do any noise, you've been trying to play football and do the best you can do so for him, Deshaun, I hope the best and for the reasons I state, the 46, that you stand out the way and now you're healthy, you get an opportunity. Obviously, Shador, you coming off of last year, starting basically half of the season, knowing that you need progression, steps, being able to get away in the pocket, not retreating. There's things that you can get better at too. You're off now. You have a line that can block for you. We're going to have a situated running game. Our receivers are getting better. We got, we drafted two, we drafted what we needed, we drafted receivers, we drafted protection. Boom. Now both of you guys are going to be able to see what you can do during OTAs and, and training camp, see whose plays better and let's get, let's get to it. I still look at Shador as a first round pick quarterback. Other people look at him like a 5th round pick. I look at him like he should have been picking the first. They didn't like him because of his personality. He rubbed people the wrong way. But statistically on the football field, what he did at Colorado, what Camp did in Miami, was not too different from me. So I'm like, give him a chance. Give him a shot out there with real legitimate weapons. I want to see it. And if he's not, I was wrong. I take that on the chin. But I want to see Shador be able to be out there with weapons and a legitimate team and a legitimate coach coming off a whole season and reps. Boom. That's all I ask. So I'm going with Malik. I'm going with it as an open competition. I'm going with desean Watson. You deserve that because you, what you've done before previously in the NFL, that is what it is. You got. That's what got you that guaranteed contract. That's why you still have one more year here. You're not going to sign. The Browns are going to sign you next year. So it's either going to be you this year. We're going to find out. I think two. Two quarterbacks want to play. If Shador ends up starting, I don't think Shador is going to lose that job. I think he might go the whole way. If Deshaun Watson gets the job and plays amazing, that would be great. But I don't see that happening just because from my previous experience, just him coming off the injuries and it was speed. He was able to run, he was able to move. It wasn't just his arm talent which made him Deshaun Watson. It was. He was fast, he was explosive, he was dynamic. He can throw and run. He was a dual threat. He started slowing down a little bit and then coming off of two surgeries. Let me see how explosive you really are. You know what I'm saying? Not knocking him, but that once you lose that step. The league is fast. These dudes are not playing. Nobody's getting any slower. Dudes are only getting faster. The league's only getting younger. So we're going to see what happens. I'm here with Malik, like so. Let's go.

[Sports Analyst]

Okay. Yeah, for sure, for sure. This person, this so called beat writer and so called B writers comedian. Don't put this stupid ass in the dock no more. Thank you. He looks like a damn delusional Eagles fan, too.

[Joe (Co-host)]

It's like you said, it's a pit.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Don't.

[Sports Analyst]

Don't do that no more, please. Thank you.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Oh, my goodness.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Let's go Browns. Go Brown.

[Sports Analyst]

Cocksucker time throw.

[Joe (Co-host)]

Awesome note, but I get to speak my piece on my Browns.

[Sports Analyst]

Yes, you did, sir. Yes, you did, sir.

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