Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Chris Boswell MONSTER Extension, Deebo GOES OFF on NFLPA, Steelers QB Room

Summary

Nightcap Podcast: Deebo & Joe – Part 1: Chris Boswell MONSTER Extension, Deebo GOES OFF on NFLPA, Steelers QB Room

Hosts: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe Haden
Date: May 12, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode of "Nightcap," NFL legends Deebo Harrison and Joe Haden dive into the hottest headlines in football with their signature candid, unfiltered tone. This episode kicks off with passionate NBA playoff talk before turning to major NFL storylines, including Chris Boswell’s record-breaking contract extension with the Steelers, a frank assessment of the Steelers’ quarterback situation, and a blistering critique of the NFL Players Association (NFLPA). The duo also debate the “most complete” NFL team rosters for 2026, all while tossing banter and stories from their playing days.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

NBA Playoffs: Cavaliers & OKC Thunder Take Center Stage

(05:24 – 09:43)

• Joe Haden celebrates the Cavs and Donovan Mitchell's performance:
  • "Donovan Mitchell, he scored 39 points in the second half. Deebo, did you see that display?... I will dunk on you, I will float on you? I would do everything." (06:00 – Joe Hayden)
  • Defends his team fandom, banters with Deebo about playoff matchups and the possible Cavs-Knicks series.
• Analysis of OKC Thunder:
  • Joe argues OKC’s deep roster and firepower make them contenders despite injuries: "OKC is one of them… they have too many players that can ball. We outnumbered, outpowered, outgunned." (07:10 – Joe Hayden)
• Playful rivalry:
  • Deebo remains loyal to Detroit and playfully antagonizes Joe about Cleveland’s future.
  • "I gotta stick to my code… that's against Cleveland. Any day, all day, every day, always." (09:52 – Deebo Harrison)

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Steelers Lock Up Chris Boswell – "Pay the Man!"

(10:11 – 15:38)

• Boswell’s 4-year, $28M deal:
  • Deebo breaks the news: “They done signed our guy, Chris ‘Bos’… four year deal, 28 million dollar extension. This ties Bos to Pittsburgh through the 2030 season.” (10:29)
  • Ties Boswell for highest average salary among kickers.
• Deserved recognition:
  • Joe and Deebo highlight Boswell's consistency and previous struggles:
    • “He finished the year 65 on field goal percentage… lowest he had ever been.” (11:49 – Deebo)
    • Deebo jokes about motivating Boswell by visiting his house during slumps: “Even if he wasn’t there, I make sure he saw me on the ring…let him know, just ‘cause I ain’t there, don’t mean the rules don’t still apply.” (12:32 – Deebo)
    • Joe reflects on supporting Boswell after every kick, hit or missed.
  • Boswell’s longevity and professionalism compared to Phil Dawson—shows respect for veteran specialists.
  • “You need a kicker. And if you’ve got one like Boswell for the foreseeable future, I like it.” (15:15 – Joe Haden)
• Quote:
  • “Pay the man what he worth, man. And that’s what they did.” (15:34 – Deebo)

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Steelers QB Room: “The Worst in the AFC North. Fact or Fiction?”

(15:41 – 22:03)

• Media criticism on Steelers’ QBs:
  • Deebo reacts to a beat writer ranking Pittsburgh last in the AFC North QB rooms: “Some Steelers beat writer…writes that the Steelers had worst quarterback room in the AFC North. Worse than the Browns.”
  • "We got two guys that ain’t even played a game in the NFL yet on the roster.” (15:51 – Deebo)
• Joe agrees:
  • Explains that without experience or a proven starter, Steelers’ situation is honestly at the bottom for now.
  • “Until they show otherwise, then we gotta be able to see it.” (20:55 – Joe Haden)
• Perspective:
  • Acknowledges potential for improvement pending the season, and the reality of rebuilding at the position.

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Deebo’s Explosive Rant on the NFLPA and Grass/Turf “Hypocrisy”

(22:29 – 37:53)

• Context:
  • FIFA’s demand for grass fields for World Cup forces NFL stadiums to replace turf.
  • NFLPA criticizes owners for prioritizing soccer’s safety demands over NFL players.
• Deebo’s main points:
  • "The NFLPA leadership has been trash… It’s been trash since we lost Gene Upshaw and they got D. Marie Smith as executive director." (24:48 – Deebo)
  • Slams the union for failing to make natural grass a non-negotiable in labor deals.
  • Criticizes long CBAs (collective bargaining agreements): “No major union in the history of the world have ever signed a 10 year deal as a union that long. Nobody.” (29:02)
  • On transparency and voting: “The committee themselves make all the votes, and nobody knows who they vote for. Because it’s no record…The whole process is secretive.” (27:22 – Deebo)
• On FIFA's leverage vs. NFLPA's weakness:
  • “FIFA came in there and said, grass or we ain’t coming. They said okay, we don’t want to miss the opportunity or potential money.” (29:03 – Deebo)
  • Advises current players to start saving for the next CBA fight: “Save 30% each season leading up to the end of the 2030 season…so that y’all can withstand 18 months of being locked out.” (27:01)
• Grass vs. Turf Debate:
  • Both hosts agree playing on grass is far better for athlete health: “Anybody that ever played on turf and then you played on grass…grass gives, you give a little…so much better to play on grass.” (31:31 – Joe Haden)
  • "Them soccer teams came in that joint not playing…We are FIFA, we are uncle. Our players are number one to us…they play on nothing but the best surfaces." (35:23 – Deebo)
• Joe calls out the system:
  • Good ‘ol boys club mentality, self-serving leadership, and a lack of transparency are hurting players.
  • “You shouldn’t be able to… you need to have people voting on it, being able to see what’s going on, keeping it open to literally help the players.” (46:09 – Joe Haden)

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Most Complete NFL Rosters Debate

(47:16 – 56:17)

• Top 10 list per NFL.com (Rams, Seahawks, Eagles, Ravens, Bills, Lions, Broncos, 49ers, Texans, Patriots)
  • Deebo and Joe critique the rankings:
    • “If you don’t have a quarterback on your team, you can’t be complete roster…If Aaron Rodgers on the Steelers, I’m liking us on this list for sure.” (48:08, 49:51 – Joe Hayden)
    • Both skeptical of Eagles, Bills, Lions, and Ravens being so high without playoff results or with flawed QBs.
  • Statistical callouts:
    • “Lamar Jackson… has seven interceptions and a couple lost fumbles in just eight playoff games, and he's only three and five in them.” (51:10 – Deebo)
  • Discussion on roster construction vs. actual results:
    • “Barring no actual play…assuming everybody’s healthy…the rosters are going to work out for what they got.” (49:24 – Joe Haden)
  • Steelers optimistic for future, but realistic about QB uncertainty:
    • “Once you get the…quarterback, our roster is looking nice… Once they get some snaps…You can’t just say they’re nice if they haven’t played.” (54:50-55:11 – Joe & Deebo)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Boswell’s deal:
  • “Pay the man what he’s worth, man. And that’s what they did.” (15:34 – Deebo)
• On NFLPA leadership:
  • “The NFLPA leadership has been trash…It’s been trash since Gene Upshaw.” (24:48 – Deebo)
  • “It’s the good old boy system…if we don’t like you, we’re not letting you in.” (25:22 – Deebo)
• On Grass vs. Turf:
  • “Anybody that ever played on turf and then you played on grass, you wake up, your joints…Grass gives. You’re able to break. Takes your cuts. You get some.” (31:31 – Joe)
• On future CBA battles:
  • “You should be telling your players right now, save 30% each season leading up to the end of the 2030 season… so that y’all can withstand 18 months of being locked out.” (27:01 – Deebo)
• On union process:
  • “The committee themselves make all the votes and nobody knows who they vote for…The whole process is secretive and it’s no transparency to it.” (27:22 – Deebo)

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Important Timestamps

• NBA Playoff Banter / Cavs & OKC Talk: 05:24 – 09:43
• Chris Boswell Extension: 10:11 – 15:38
• Steelers QB Room Roast: 15:41 – 22:03
• NFLPA/Grass Rant: 22:29 – 37:53
• ’Most Complete’ Rosters Debate: 47:16 – 56:17

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Summary & Tone

This Nightcap episode is classic Deebo and Joe—funny, fiery, brutally honest, and always for the guys in the locker room. It’s packed with personal stories, player perspectives, and real talk about both the business and on-field sides of football. Whether celebrating a locker room friend in Boswell, roasting the Steelers’ current situation, or going scorched-earth on the NFLPA’s leadership, Deebo’s no-nonsense tone anchors the show, and Joe's supportive, analytical style balances the conversation. If you want unfiltered insight into the culture and politics surrounding today’s NFL, this episode delivers.

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[Joe Hayden]

You know how I'm doing today, brother Debo. I'm doing great. I'm doing great. Did you see?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Great.

[Joe Hayden]

Did you see what happened yesterday?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Great. Oh, I See, I seen what happened.

[Joe Hayden]

But great.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I wouldn't say great.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, great. Not. Not great. Not great, but good.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay, I get you good one side.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying? But this is what I expected to happen. But let's talk about the.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Dude, stop, stop. Ain't nobody 23 point like stop.

[Joe Hayden]

What do you mean, don't happen?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It ain't gonna happen again.

[Joe Hayden]

What? 23.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, run. Stop it, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, man. You've seen what happened. Donovan Mitchell, he scored 39 points in the second half. Deebo, did you see that display? Did you see that display of crossovers, of step backs, of I will dunk on you, I will float on you? I would do everything. James Harden did what he had to do in the first half. Evan Mobley, grown man. Everybody's talking about all that. Yeah, whatever. He's out there balling him and Jared Allen. This is Jared Allen jersey right here. Shout out to the Cavs. Shout out to them. Sending me the gear with the care package. You know what I'm saying? So I had to rock. I had to come through. Yes, Debo. So, you know, I really realized.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm glad you got.

[Joe Hayden]

It's not a curse.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, listen. You ain't have enough on. Last time you. All you had one was Cleveland. You didn't actually have on the cast gear. You got the cast gear.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, sir.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Now is when it kicks in, man.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't want to hear nothing. I don't want to hear none of that. I don't hear none of that. Now. We about to go back. Hey, we got to go to Detroit.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What happened over there in la. What?

[Joe Hayden]

What?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What? Okay, your boy talking about he. About he, he, he. I don't know what's going on over there.

[Joe Hayden]

Like I told you before, Oklahoma City Thunder has too much firepower. I was telling you, being a fan, I will tell you what I would want to see. I would like to see LeBron and them get through. They didn't have Luka. AR was coming back. Aiden played well, but he wasn't doing what he had to do. Most of the series, they didn't have enough firepower. Okc, too much dort. They didn't even have Jalen Williams out there. They don't even have their full roster. But they have too many players that can ball. We outnumbered, outpowered, outgunned.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I ain't never heard of having too many.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm telling you. OKC is one of them. And they got draft picks. They gonna be good for a long time. So OKC is a problem. I'm not. I wasn't worried about. I told you they were gonna go to the ship. I was speaking crazy. If I was saying the Lakers gonna go, that's just the f. That's the wrong fan in me wanting them to go. Okay, they're not going. OKC's gonna make it over on this east side, though. That's why I'm standing on business, because I honestly believe. And I told you it's two to two now. You like? Oh, yeah. They go.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Detroit going. No playoffs. They. They did what they had to do. We held our home court. Now we got to go steal one in Detroit. So when they come back to Cleveland on game six, I'm be in a building and we're going to take it over.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You go be there for game six, and you go watch them get it closed out, because they go, come back, three, two, and close it out right there in Cleveland.

[Joe Hayden]

I'mma tell you this. Look, we got to get by Detroit. We got to get by Detroit because I'm telling you, the series, when we play the Knicks, that's going to be live. That's going to be live. The Knicks are fire. Brunson is going crazy. Donovan Mitchell going crazy. Both of them scoring every time. ISO Hessies. Trey ball. You want to see good ball, Debo. Next series, when the Knicks play the Cavs. Get you to a game with me, that'd be fire.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You mean Detroit.

[Joe Hayden]

No, after we beat. After we beat Detroit, we got to play. The Cavs are going to play the New York Knicks to go to the championship.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Go be playing the Knicks.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you heard me correctly. Stop talking about that. They just got Cade. They got Cade. We gonna have to maintain. KK's a ballerina, but you know what I'm saying. They don't have enough yet.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's crazy. That's wild. That's wild. Look, I ain't gonna even. I mean, yeah, just.

[Joe Hayden]

Just take my word.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You know what? You know what, man? No, I ain't gonna. I ain't gonna do it. I ain't gonna do it because I know they go, come back down, three, two, and then y' all gonna be in Cleveland. Then I show up there, and, you know you there. You know, that's what I'm saying. And then I'm like, you know, I'm. I'm gonna be Detroited out.

[Joe Hayden]

No, never mind. I'm definitely not bringing. Hell no. If you're gonna be rocking the. No, if I bring it, you gotta rock something, man.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, man, I got. I gotta stick to my. I gotta stick, I gotta stick. I gotta stick to my code, man, and. And be what I am, man. That's against Cleveland. Okay? Any day, all day, every day, always.

[Joe Hayden]

God. Okay, all right, I see that. You just a hater of the land. You don't. Okay, I. Okay, for sure. I see what it is.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Now look here, brother, they done went on ahead and signed one of the most reliable kickers in the NFL to a four year deal. He gonna be sticking around. You know who it is, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Bankroll.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

They don't sign our guy, Chris Buys will.

[Joe Hayden]

Bankroll.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He has agreed to a four year deal. 28 million dollar extension. This ties buys to Pittsburgh through the 30, 30 season. It also makes him tie with the Dallas kicker Brandon Aubrey for the highest average salary among kickers. I wonder what the guarantee is. The average is a good thing, but

[Joe Hayden]

I think it's four. I think it's like 14.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay, so we got. What is it? He got 11 years in now.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Career average, bro. 87.7 on the field goal percentage.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Six.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes, bruh. Look here, bro, I'll let you in on a little secret.

[Joe Hayden]

Please.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hey, man, got the money. Deserved.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

But I realized boss is 35, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Like.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, I know that, bro. 11 years. Like that's. Well, he did start late.

[Joe Hayden]

Started a little late. So, I mean, he's 35, but look, right?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And then when he got to the Steelers, that's when I turned him into the kicker that he is today.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on. You scared the. Scared. Scared the leggings.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Here's the crazy part, man. I don't even. I don't even wanna. I only want to bring this up, though. I don't even want to bring this up. But I got to. I remember, you know, when I retired in 2018, bro, and the end of that season, bruh, you know, I'm looking at. I'm looking at Boss, man, and I see this, man finished the year 65 on field goal percentage, bro. That's the lowest he had ever been in his career, man. Yes, bro. Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. No, I remember he had. Was one.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It was 65 in 2018, bro. When I retired.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, I was on the squad.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And I remember, dude, I had to go over there to his house, bro, at the end of the season and I'd stop over there at least once every other week while the season was out and once a week when the season was in. Yeah. And I just knock on his door. Even if he wasn't there, I make sure he Saw me on the ring, on the ring. And you know what I did? I let him know, hey, just cause I ain't there, don't mean the rules don't still apply.

[Joe Hayden]

See, see, Debo, you done come to my dog house.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

See out you still go do what you need to do or you gonna be washing my back immediately. Joe, he went 94, 95. Back to back seasons.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, okay, okay. I was thinking, Debo, that's you. You a wild man, Deebo. You are a wild man. I would say every time you could go look back when me and my man Boswell, Bankroll, I love him. Whenever I ran off, when he kicked the field, when he did kickoffs, we would run off, dap each other up. Every time. Whenever he had missed something, I would always come, dap him up when we exchanged. When the defense came onto the field, I will always make sure. And I dapped up balls every time before we came out. So that was me and my man's thing. Always like if he missed, it didn't matter. Missile make. I was running over the bars, showing him love. And we always look for each other. So you motivated him in a different way and you know what I'm saying. I just was always letting him know I was there for him when it wasn't going the way it needed to. I believe in bankroll. 50 plus field goals, my man is made what we got. My man did two Pro Bowls, one All Pro, and his 50 yard plus is what is his biggest thing. So I'm with Bankroll, I'm rocking with him. And like we had, we had a kicker when I was in Cleveland. My man Phil Dawson. Oh yeah, goaded, goaded Phil Dawson. Old man Phil, we had training camps. He would put on his door, don't come open, knock on my door. I got kids, you know what I'm saying? I'm sleep. And you just got older vets that like. I think Bankroll could get into that category where the kickers, when you were just consistent, you doing what you're doing, you can play for a very long time. I think Phil was up there, 40 years old, still kicking that ball beautifully. So when I think about Bankroll, I think about just keeping his body up. Bankroll looks young like when you look. I didn't know bankroll was 35 years old. Dude, I did right around 30 years old, you know what I'm saying? Still looks young, still moving around like takes care of his body and you know how those kickers are too, bro.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He ain't doing too much they don't do much. They don't do much.

[Joe Hayden]

Bank row got his little schedule. He walking in that thing. He kicking at the beginning of practice, walking around, chilling, making sure everything is everything. But he got his routine. He's very professional. He knows what he gotta do, like you said. So I'm rocking with it. I'm liking you need a kicker. And if you got one like bankroll that, you know what I'm saying, for the next, for the foreseeable future. I like it.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Pay the man what he work, man. And that's what they did.

[Joe Hayden]

Pay that man his money.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes, sir. Ain't no problem with that man.

[Joe Hayden]

Bankroll.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And now I guess this is supposed to be news. Some Steelers beat Ryder. He writes that the Steelers had worse quarterback room in the AFC North. Worse than the Browns.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, okay, like what? Yeah, what are we talking about? You know, like what we talking about? I mean, tell me something I don't know. Yep, we got two guys that ain't even played a game in the NFL yet on the roster, you know, and when you look at what you're going up against as the other quarterbacks.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, man.

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

you got two, you got, don't worry.

[Joe Hayden]

Out the way you, out the way.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You got Lamar Jackson.

[Joe Hayden]

Boom.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And then you got should dirt and Water and Watson. We have Will Howard, zero games in the NFL. Drew out, zero games in the NFL. And Mason Rudolph has some experience, but I'm not taking him over any of those quarterbacks on that list. Yep. So, yes, we are divine.

[Joe Hayden]

We are. That is, you know, that's just what it is. It is what it is. That's just. Honesty is the best policy. And until they show otherwise, then we gotta be able to see it. If you're looking at it and you could think Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson, if you're looking at the rankings, you could say, now I like Lamar more than I like Burrow. You could switch up the top two. But I'm looking at it like there's no history for the Steelers. Aaron Rodgers is not on the team. So we're talking about Drew Ayler, we're talking about Will Howard, and we're talking about Mason Rudolph's in the ranking. You know what I'm saying? When you're talking about the division, so you're looking against your peers, who are you going against? Well, this room's better. There's Joe Burrow over there, Lamar Jackson over there. There's Deshaun Watson and Shador, actually, he played. So we gonna, we don't know for sure, but we know what DeShawn did. We got Will, we got Mace, you know what I'm saying? We got Drew. So, like just as far as the room goes, until they prove us and get out there on the field and show what they've done. Right now at this date, that, that, that list, that list is about right?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, yeah, you can't, you can't go against it. I mean, it is what it is. But yeah, you let the year play out. Let's go back to that list.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, a thousand percent. That's all. That's that's how we do them. Draft rankings. How good was their draft? Yeah, they, they pick good picks. If they're not good, then your draft was bad. If you found some third rounders that people are like, oh, why'd you go get him? You know what I'm saying? Looking back, people drafted Russell Wilson. Why would you pick Russell Next thing you know, he balls out, we win the Super Bowls. That draft. Y draft looks better after that.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Definitely. Definitely. Hey, brother. The NFL Pennsylvania, I guess FIFA was like, yo, we coming through, but we need grass. So I guess the NFL Pennsylvania issued a reminder to the owners that, you know, they're, they're going to install high quality grass for FIFA. Yeah. So as they said, as FIFA commandeers 11 stadiums, the venues that have artificial turf for football will be installing high quality grade natural grass for soccer. NFL association, the NFL Players association also issued a reminder that the owners will give player will issued a reminder that the owners will give players in a different spot in a different. Sorry. In a different sport the surface that NFL players almost unilaterally, uniformly prefer. Sorry. The reality is that the owners who are having or who are hosting World cup games and start grass fields because FIFA demanded it put simple. They had no choice when it comes to the NFL game. They have a choice. And many are still choosing a surface that is cheaper to maintain and easier to handle. Then when it's time to generate revenue and handle. When it's time to generate revenue through other events, like, you know, when they want to do like concerts and all that. Yeah, you know, that stuff. All like that. Here's. So here's what the NFL PA just did. What the NFL PA just did is, is what I would do.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Like at this point, you know, I'm obviously like, I obviously have no power. So I would be like, hey everybody, the NFL don't care about the players. They did this for them. But hey, I'm only doing that because I have no power to change anything. The only thing I could do is maybe get like public opinion, a little support from fans, all that other stuff like, hey, you know, that can help.

[Joe Hayden]

That's gonna help.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That ain't. They are the NFL PA and this is one of the things y' all didn't go for. You didn't have as a non negotiable last cba. Yeah. So why are y' all pointing the finger? Don't point the finger. Make sure y' all stand in the matter of make sure y' all stand in the mirror when y' all point the finger. So you could be pointing at yourself because the NFLPA leadership has been trash. I will keep saying it and will be trash. It's been trash since we lost Gene Upshaw and they got D. Marie Smith as executive director and he proceeded to make all the changes necessary and rules so that he and his staff could keep position in power and that's why we have the leadership we have right now. Because it's insider trading, bruh. Like, it's the good old boy system, you know, if we don't like you, we're not letting you in. And I know that they didn't like me. And they said, I know this because I was told, hey. They couldn't even consider James, a real possibility as a serious candidate because he. He talked bad about our leadership. Jalen Reeve, Maven NFL. Still trash. Still trash. Go. Always be trash. And the executive director Y' all hired, J.C. trotter. Yes. Same guy in 2000. In July 2025, he stepped away because of the turmoil that was going down with Lloyd Howe. Him resigning.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Said, you know what? I don't want nothing to do with this. I'm not pursuing the executive director role. I'm getting out of here. And then six, no, seven, eight months later, in March of 26, he was now elected as the director. That's crazy.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I don't want nothing to do. He goes with, like, I don't want nothing to do with this, bro. I don't want nothing to do with this. To. Hey, I'm back.

[Joe Hayden]

Right back. I'm on.

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm ready to fight for you guys. You know what I'm saying? I'm being line for. I'm ready to fight for the players. I'm here. No, no. You just had enough buddies. 9 2. You just had enough buddies on the executive committee that wanted to have him in there so they could help secure their jobs. Point blank, period. The committee themselves make all the votes, and nobody knows who they vote for.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Because it's no record of it. The whole process is secretive and it's no transparency to it. FIFA went there. 9 2. FIFA went there and said, grass or nothing. That means no money or you won't get a chance to be put on the world stage to get coverage. Yeah, that's what they want. They want worldwide. That's what they want. That's why we got all these international games. They want more money, dude. Yeah. And this is why the NFL, Pennsylvania, should be telling their players to save money. Because the current CBA does not end until 2030 to the end of the 2030 season. Dude, you talking about five seasons away. You should be telling your players right now, say, 30% each season leading up to the end of the 30, 30 season. That'll give you five seasons. You'll save up 150% of your yearly salary so that y' all can withstand 18 months of being locked out. Yeah. Because you're not getting what you want, what you deserve. Unless they lose money or have the potential to lose money. This 2030 CBA that's coming up, this will be the best opportunity they'll have since the 2011 CBA when they locked us out. Yep. Trash leadership. D. Marie Smith signed. Unheard of, bruh. 10 year CBA. No major union in the history of the world have ever signed a 10 year deal as a union that long. Nobody. And then you know what he did to back that up?

[Joe Hayden]

What do you do to back that up, Debo?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

In 2020, he did an 11 year. Damn. That's because he did it a year early. So they just said, hey, here we do it a year early, finish the 2020, and then jump on to this. If the NFLPA, bruh, does a deal before the deadline and they don't get everything that the players deserve, they are 100 incompetent, bruh. The only way the players will get all that they deserve won't be until the NFL either loses money or misses the opportunity to make money. And that's only happening when they lock out. Yeah, bro. It's no advantage for the NFL to give in to any demands that the NFLPA has. They still got five seasons left of the OCBA under their belt right now. But they're trying to get this deal done early. Why? Because we get the deal done early. We know we got the leadership in now. That's gonna be more for the NFL than they are for the players anyway, because they have been since 2011. And then unless the deal 100% like benefits, no way I'm the NFL. If I'm the NFL, I got five years on my deal. Yeah. Coming to me, telling me you want all this? You want this, this, this, this, this, this. I ain't giving you nothing. I'll wait the five years out and then I know I have to give it to you when it happens. FIFA came in there and said, grass or we ain't coming. They said, okay, we don't want to miss the opportunity or potential money.

[Joe Hayden]

It's the money for sure.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And then, dog, the nflpa, they go on Twitter. You go on X. Sorry, X, whatever you want to call it. Twitter. Okay? You go on X and Twitter and y' all say, hey, look, look what they doing? Like what? What have y' all been doing since 2011? Like, you look exactly like what? Y' all are weak. You're crying to the public for public opinion when y' all should be following A formal grievance, maybe, but you can't. You can't because I just said that wasn't one of the things you fought for in the 2020 CBA was a non negotiable natural grass mandate. Yes, yes, again, FIFA grass.

[Joe Hayden]

Cause they know, Deebo, you said it's a money thing. They really realize end of the day turf is cheaper. And they saying that the NFL, the owners try to say that injuries are the same amount like the grass, you still get the same amount of injuries as you get on turf. All I want to tell you is anybody that ever played on turf and then you played on grass, you wake up in your joints. Grass gives. You give a little. You're able to break. It takes your cuts and all that stuff. So you get some.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I.

[Joe Hayden]

It feels so much better to play on grass. Just natural grass is the best thing you can play on, fall on. When you're playing on these turfs, in these fields, they can go do other things. They can have concerts come in, roll it out. It's so much cheaper. The Buffalo Bills, it comes down to ownership. You understand you're going to pay for your, like, if you want to have your players out there playing on the best thing. And you know what it is, it's recognizably known. People know grass is better than turf. So the FIFA comes in there. We're not bringing our athletes to play on anything. That's not the best. Why would you have us play on turf? We're going to play on grass or we're not coming. Then they're like this, oh, okay. We got NFL teams that are switching their turf to grass and then switching it back.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Then switching it back, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Switching it back. That's what I'm saying. That's crazy. Like, you have to understand, it's the ownership of the logical thing to do. Like you said, nflpa, you got to get that in the contract. Obviously, they wouldn't have to switch it if they don't want to, but you have owners, Buffalo Bills building a new stadium is going to be natural grass. They admit it. Natural grass is better. Like, you just got to know if you're an owner and you have this, you want to protect your investment. But at the same time, it's like you're saying, nflpa, we need to get grass in the deal. That's something for sure. But then it's really the owners if you know grass is better.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Here's the crazy thing, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

What's up?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Atlanta, bruh. Atlanta, you got the Patriots, Dallas, Bro, Yeah, Houston and.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, my goodness, who else was it?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I want to say maybe Kansas City. Any way it go, you got them teams right there. You got la all turf. They switch. All switching out to grass and then putting it back, putting it back.

[Joe Hayden]

It's. It's money because they, they got, they. They're running so many different events there. They're using that. That field for so many different things that they're like, if it's natural grass, it's going to kill it. It's going to take them soon.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

If y' all really want to do that, bro, you could, you could. I remember when I played in Europe.

[Joe Hayden]

Roll it in, roll it out, roll it in.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's what it was. It was a turf.

[Joe Hayden]

Arizona, it was natural. Rolling the whole field. Roll it out.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Arizona got that too.

[Joe Hayden]

I forgot about Arizona.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You can use the stadium for whatever

[Joe Hayden]

you want, but a thousand percent, because

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

now still take care of it and have it all going.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. It's like you got a little, like you got a little, like a little farm that you just taking care of that field, that whole thing, you can roll it in where you need to, roll it out where you need to and set it. And it's a grass field. Beautiful because I tell you, Cleveland's brown field, natural grass, it's different. You love it. It's going to be. You know what you're going to get? Your feet, you're sticking. You're going to be able to get that. It's just grass, that feeling underneath your feet. And when you're falling, it's nothing like it.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hey, ain't nothing like being able to hit the ground and slide 10, 10 yards and not have all your skin off your. Off your left arm or your right arm.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Them dudes, I couldn't even astroturf. Them dudes out there wearing the Jordans, wearing the literal baseball shoes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You ain't got to worry about your foot getting caught in the turf. No, that foot get caught in that turf. Nah, all that ground go give right. It ain't gonna catch like that turf. Go catch and have you tear everything up in your leg, your knee.

[Joe Hayden]

We gotta get. They got the natural grass. They wasn't playing. Them soccer teams came in that joint not playing.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, listen, listen. We don't need to be here. We are FIFA, we are uncle. Our players are number one to us and we will make sure they play on nothing but the best surfaces.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So you do it or we don't come. Nflpa. Sure. That's all y' all gotta do. But I, I probably, I mean, I, I would kind of almost guarantee they go get a deal done before this 30 for this 2030 deal is up because they, they have no real leadership. It's weak, disorganized, and I wouldn't be surprised they do another 10 year deal. Dude, they shouldn't do another deal longer than five years. The CBA should never be any longer than five years. The players turn over entirely too fast. Everything entire too fast. The salary cap turns over too fast. You name it. Everything turns over entirely too fast for a 10 year deal. Don't nobody do a 10 year deal. It's not even economically sound for a union to do a 10 year deal and think it's going to help them.

[Joe Hayden]

That's too much time.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Unless you're trying to get a paycheck for your executive director.

[Joe Hayden]

Unless you sitting comfortable though.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Sitting comfortable.

[Joe Hayden]

You want that, John? I want to deal as long as possible.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Right.

[Joe Hayden]

Cool.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Get another one. Go get another. You ain't worried about these players, man. You worried about your position. You don't made it to where when we first started, each player's vote counted.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

They counted the number of the votes of the players, period. Now they counted just the executive committee and whatever they vote. That's what happens. Yeah, it don't matter. You could, you could tell them whatever you want to do here or there. The players could tell them that. Even the reps. The reps. Not even the reps. It's the executive committee. They make the move on what's gonna happen and they put each other in place. That's the crazy thing like that. None of these people are voted in. They're all voted in by a committee or the player reps. So it's already the people that's there. Like it's the good old boy system, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, it's your homies. We gonna get in there, man. We got, it's. The office is in DC so it's up the street. I got to try to get in there and see what's going on.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Debo, bruh, they ain't gonna let you come in there and figure out nothing, bro. I went, I went there when I retired the first time, I think the second time I can't remember.

[Joe Hayden]

And they ain't tell you nothing, bro.

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

i. I really. I don't. I don't need you. But what is it that you do? Like, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I play. Yeah, I feel. I play. I play with Shredder. I play with jc And I heard what you said, so I want. I want to. I think I can get them on the. So at least.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Have a conversation.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He damn sure ain't gonna come on here with me.

[Joe Hayden]

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Get him on the line asking what. What was the big thing that changed his mind, where he was. Just like, I'm so done with this. It's going. And now, you know, to now, hey, I'm the best option and I'm gonna be here to fight for these guys like never before because I care the hell out of here, bro. You tapped out. You tapped out. And why did you tap out? Did you tap out because you thought they was about to throw you out and make you resign your way out? You think they was gonna choke you up out of the spot?

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, man. That's what you want to ask them?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Like, really?

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. No, I feel you. I got it. I'm out.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

All of a sudden you back, everything's great. And like. Yeah, that whole process, Brock, it's. That whole process is crooked and it is mishandled so far. It's ridiculous, bruh. God damn.

[Joe Hayden]

Nah, it's the hiddenness. Debo, when you saying we used to be able to vote, Everybody had a vote, everybody saw what's going on and now your reps don't even have the votes. So now it's like, what does it even matter or what you're voting for? Because they gonna make the decisions without you regardless. So I'm.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So. I'll take it back. Your reps do get a vote. So your reps are the ones that will actually vote.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Your executive committee are the ones that put the people in place for you to vote for.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So if they decide it's only one person, we want you to vote for it, or two people, whatever that may be, however they break it down.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I got them in front of it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Like, I'm gonna make you. I'm gonna make you pick between A and. And. And B, which I know you don't want. So you're gonna have to go with A. Like, hey, man, all y' all had to do is put me in front of the boys, let them see what they. Let them make a decision. They was too scared to do that. They was too scared to put me

[Joe Hayden]

in front of them, let everybody be on the ballot.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

They was too scared to put me in front of the boys. But then all they had to do then, though, was control. They 32 player. They play 32 player reps. Because that's who would have voted for the actual, you know, executive director for the nflpa. Like, that's. That.

[Joe Hayden]

That.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's who would have made. That's who would have made the votes. But again, some of those dudes sitting there like, yeah, how long I'm gonna be here? I gotta get. Yeah, get into the. I gotta get into the office. How many guys, you know that are actual players that are just, like, top of the line at their position, at their skill, whatever it may be, and they're. They're representatives. It's very few, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Don't nobody want to do it. And then it ends up a lot of the time getting given to a guy that they like, hey, yeah, here, Go and do this.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And he's like, you know what? Yeah, okay, cool. He think it's gonna keep him around. It'll keep him around a little bit. But you still got to be on the team just to be a representative. To be a representative. So if you ain't on the team now, that's where you got to get into the upper rankings. You got to become president and all that other stuff.

[Joe Hayden]

You gotta.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You got. You gotta get a higher position. So that's where all the a. I'm gonna vote for you this and that. Then when my time come, you vote for me to get me in here.

[Joe Hayden]

See, it gets like. It sounds real politicish.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, that's the whole thing.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It's kind of like, it's good old boys clicky.

[Joe Hayden]

Good old boys clicky is what we don't like. Because that is not. When you're protecting the athletes, you're protecting yourself. And you are. There's too much turnaround in the NFL for you to be trying to. You shouldn't be able to. I mean, you can be there for a while if you have the good intent, but you need to be able to have people that are voting on it, being able to see what's going on, keeping it open to literally the process of helping the players. Because the more and more it starts making it about self and how people can get themselves and their jobs and positions.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Gene Upshaw passed away. It has not been that.

[Joe Hayden]

I feel you, Deebo, but I'm just saying, just from listening to you, you give it more of the perspective. Because I didn't. I was. Oh, I wasn't really. I didn't pay attention too much. I should have, because I'm. While I was in it, just playing, you know what I'm saying? Trying to get my job done. Nflpa, that's fine. Like listening to my benefits. But I wasn't as listening as I needed to be 1000%. So when I listened to you, you know way more about it and how they got in it. And now with keeping their own positions, keeping their jobs is real. You would think that it's not like that because you're like, oh, no, nflpa, all you here. Nflpa, we're here for you. Like all of the meetings and stuff. But then when you really say like this, what do you really know? You know what I'm saying? Like, how much are we really able to make a change or make decisions? Not that much.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, man, the devil looked like the devil. You'd never make a deal with him, would you?

[Joe Hayden]

No, you're correct. You'll run. So that will look exactly. Looking just like what you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Like that would look like. Like. Like what you thought he was supposed to look like. You wouldn't do no deals with it.

[Joe Hayden]

No, got tricked. Got to be more careful.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

NFL.com ranks the top 10 most complete NFL rosters for 2026. What do they mean by most complete? They got Rams, one Seattle, Eagles, Ravens, Bills, Lions, Lions, Broncos, 49ers, Texas and Patriots. You know what?

[Joe Hayden]

Top 10, Debo, it's full NFL rosters. I'm going. You gotta hate. You gotta. I'm saying you gotta be good at everything. Not. Maybe not great, but you got to have a solid offense, quarterback, you got to have a good defense. And you got to have a special teams. I think if you don't have a quarterback on your team, you can't be complete roster. So it starts off with legitimately. If you have a complete roster, you got to have a quarterback on your team.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Well, yeah, that's number one. So I mean, I'm not tripping that we not on the rosters.

[Joe Hayden]

That's, I mean that's why when I was trying to look and see we're

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

not having a franchise quarterback, why the

[Joe Hayden]

Steelers are on the roster. I knew why my Browns weren't be on the roster. I'm like, okay, they did my dogs. I know how they'd be looking crazy. They're not in the top 10. Understand Steelers not on here. I'm like, everywhere but the quarterback position. I don't see how they couldn't say that we couldn't be one of the most complete rosters. But the quarterback position is the main reason that people are on it. So you got to look at it. I'm like, okay, Matthew Stafford, Rams, solid defense team, receivers, special teams. If you want to go roster, I will go coach too. Like you want to put the coach in there. That's a little, that's a full scale team. You got your quarterback, you got your defense, you got your receivers, you got your special tripping.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I ain't tripping on the placement of one and two.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, Boom.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm not tripping on that.

[Joe Hayden]

We go Eagles and they say Eagles,

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Ravens, and then the Bills and the Lions.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, yes, I'm their rosters. They. You got to have the quarterback, offense, defense, quarterback.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's what I'm trying to figure out. Are we talking about like the most complete roster?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Barring no actual play.

[Joe Hayden]

Barring no actual play. Deebo, all of this stuff that we get to talking about right now is since what acquisitions they got, who they got on their team and if their team stays healthy and plays the best that they can together, we're assuming everybody's healthy. We're assuming everybody that they got. If we're assuming that the rosters are going to work out for what they got,

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

assuming rosters is going to work out for what they got. I don't, I don't know how see

[Joe Hayden]

if I'm say this. If Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers is on if Aaron Rodgers is on our team, if Aaron Rogers on the Steelers, I'm liking us on the complete roster. I'm liking us on this list for show. You can't tell me where we could be up there. I like us over the Ravens. I like us right around. Like, we could.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

We could be three, Bro. I'm trying to figure this out because I, I ain't gonna lie. I'm a little lost. Is this like teams that could possibly win a championship or. It's just. Just I got a team and I have all the positions filled with high ranking names and like rated guys or whatever it is. Like. Because right now the Eagles, I'm questioning the Ravens. I'm questioning the Bills. I'm questioning the Lions. I'm questioning. And the Broncos, y' all got them at seven. They gotta come up, bro. Like, Josh Allen is the biggest issue. Why damn Buffalo shouldn't be at 5. He Getting to those. Well, besides him having to run into Patrick Mahomes all those times he get into the playoffs and he turned over at the wrong times. Yeah. Mark Jackson, they shouldn't be that high either. He the same thing. He is a turnover machine in the playoffs. That man got seven interceptions and a couple lost fumbles in just eight playoff games and he's only three and five in them.

[Joe Hayden]

How you put the field goal miss was not on him. Andrews dropping the ball was not on him.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Understand what you're saying, bro? I understand what you're saying. So he's four and five then with. With. With. Well, sorry, He. He'll be. Yeah, he'll be four. He.

[Joe Hayden]

He. He be.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He be four and three and four and three or four and four. Sorry. He'd be four and four. Still has seven interceptions. Still have. Like. What we talking about, man?

[Joe Hayden]

What that just. You said we want. We want to make more excuses for

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Lamar than a little bit when the time comes, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not trying to make excuses for

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Lamar and then Philly. We don't even know what they doing, man. I don't know how they. I don't know what they got going over there, man. The. The office is. I don't.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Going on with the offense. Didn't they miss the playoffs?

[Joe Hayden]

Eagles.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You got Denver all the way down there, bruh. Denver.

[Joe Hayden]

Denver. Denver's definitely better.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And the quarterback was hurt when they lost and they still almost won.

[Joe Hayden]

Nah, for sure. Denver. Denver could step up. Denver could step up. I like the 1 and 2 Eagles. Ravens. I think they're. They're. They're too high. They are too high.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

The Patriots lying.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I ain't gonna lie. I think. I think might. Might be a. Might might be a little low, but maybe a spot or two up. I just. I don't like. They ain't. They couldn't you know, really come up with too much offense in the playoffs, you know? And like the Lions, bruh, they've been. They've been dropping like, each. Each year. They, they, they, they. They seem to fall off a little more.

[Joe Hayden]

They lost Montgomery, but they still got.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

They broke. And they just broke their one two punch, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

They think they signed it back, but they got. They still got Gibbs. They still.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Dude, the center just. Who. Yeah, I don't even know how they had six. Did they make the playoffs? I don't remember. Yeah, they didn't even make the playoffs. Like, what. Where is this coming from, bro?

[Joe Hayden]

They believing in the coach, Golf, My young bull, the receiver, the other one that takes it up top Skinny Williams, James,

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

bruh. I don't know who made this list. I don't. I don't. I'm not too sure about this list. Like, see what?

[Joe Hayden]

Houston,

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I could get Houston.

[Joe Hayden]

Houston.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I ain't tripping. I ain't tripping on them being where they at because of the offer.

[Joe Hayden]

So you're just saying the Bills, Bills and Ravens are too high.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

The Bills, the Ravens and the Eagles and the Lions. Lions shouldn't even be on there.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, I'm with you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Like, it's no way they should be on there, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Still is. Once you get the. Once we get our quarterback, our roster is looking nice, so we'll be able to be solid. The only reason why I was.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Man, listen, I ain't talking about once we get a quarterback. We just need to see what we got first before we start talking about.

[Joe Hayden]

We do know.

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[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. Once the people know. Once the people know. Once. Once he gets some. Once they get some snaps.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You need some, right? You need some.

[Joe Hayden]

You can't. You can't just say they're nice if they haven't played. No credit yet. No credit.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

True. True. Hey, I ain't gonna lie to you, man. That's a. That's. That's a. That's a true statement.

[Joe Hayden]

Because you got to build some equity, bro.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You got. Right? You got to build like. And that's the thing. And that's why we have no. No real trust. And.

[Joe Hayden]

And.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And Rudolph, man, like, he done built. He lost a lot of equity.

[Joe Hayden]

He's had time.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Watching him playing the process in the game.

[Joe Hayden]

He's had time. He's had time.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Had way more than enough time, bro. Eight years. Eight years. I believe so.

[Joe Hayden]

But, like, look, but that's why the younger guys. Shador and my fact. This is going to be only A second year Will Howard only his second year, Drew Allergies first year. Young dudes, they're going to have to get their bumps and bruises somehow. They're going to have to get out there and learn. Like the first year. You can't be as confident to go tell other dudes what to do and where to go if you don't know yourself what to do or where to go fully. You know what I'm saying?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

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