Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Deebo reacts to Pacman calling him out + Rodgers decision soon? Myles Garrett staying?

Summary

Nightcap: Deebo & Joe – Part 1

Date: March 30, 2026
Main Theme:
A lively, unfiltered discussion between Deebo Samuel and Joe covering headline NFL stories: whether Steelers’ T.J. Watt is overpaid, Aaron Rodgers’ contract and future, quarterback rumors (including wild speculation about Joe Burrow moving), and Myles Garrett’s contract and trade status, all with signature NFL-insider humor, authenticity, and personal insights.

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T.J. Watt: Is He Overpaid?

Segment Start: [04:08]

Key Points

• Deebo and Joe react to Bleacher Report claiming T.J. Watt is the Steelers’ “most overpaid player,” citing his hefty three-year, $123 million contract and declining sack numbers.
• Joe disputes the label, defending T.J.’s value and citing context (injuries, being double- and triple-teamed, turnovers created).
  • “He hasn’t showed any signs of slowing down... TJ is TJ. When he’s out there, he performs.” – Joe [05:00]
  • Lists Watt’s complete stats: 115 sacks, 9 picks, 36 forced fumbles, 14 recoveries.
  • Draws comparison to Myles Garrett, stressing similar impact.
  • Even at lower sack totals due to a punctured lung last season, Joe expects he’ll return to dominant form.
• Deebo adds that advanced stats don’t show T.J.’s true impact: double teams create openings for other defenders; the Steelers’ win percentage drops drastically when Watt is out.
  • “It’s not always about the numbers... When we don’t have TJ, what, we at 10-15% win percentage? The sack rate is bottom third... When he’s there, it’s 60 to 75%.” – Deebo [07:35]

Notable Quotes

• “From the fans, when you look at it and you see $40 mil, I know that’s a big number... but that’s what the going rate is.” – Joe [06:10]
• “He’s worth it. ’Cause when they don’t have him... turnovers plummet. When TJ’s there, we got a chance of winning.” – Deebo [08:15]

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Aaron Rodgers’ Steelers Future: Contract Stand-off

Segment Start: [11:00]

Key Points

• Steelers brass expect a decision from Rodgers before the draft, but Deebo says Rodgers won’t budge without a worthy offer.
  • “Aaron is not going to give you a decision until you give this man numbers, okay?” – Deebo [12:29]
  • Rodgers has said publicly he hasn’t received an offer; Deebo predicts he’d retire before accepting “last year’s” money.
  • Joe and Deebo agree 30 million/year is the fair offer. Anything less won’t move the needle.
• They weigh whether the Steelers should go all in for Rodgers or roll with Will Howard and invest elsewhere.
  • “If a rod [Rodgers] can do it with the 30 and we like what we got... we could build this team and compete.” – Joe [21:36]
  • Discussion on Steelers’ cap room: Consensus—Omar Khan (Steelers GM) will “find a way” if they want to keep Rodgers [24:11]
• Light-hearted banter about how to get deals done and the realities behind player negotiations.

Notable Quotes

• “He saved our ass last year, dude... you kind of owe the man some back pay.” – Deebo [13:00]
• “If the money’s right, or if Mr. Brown gets something...” – Deebo, teasing Burrow/Steelers gossip [25:53]

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Pacman Jones Calls Out Deebo – The Joe Burrow to Pittsburgh Rumor

Segment Start: [24:14]

Key Points

• Pacman Jones rants about rumors that Steelers (via Deebo) are recruiting Joe Burrow away from Cincinnati.
  • “Our roads do not have big ass potholes... you can ride on 22s and 24s in Cincinnati!” – Pacman (quoted by Deebo) [25:13]
  • Pacman calls Deebo and threatens tampering, but Deebo jokes he’s not employed by the Steelers.
• Deebo and Joe riff on the fantasy of Burrow joining the Steelers—acknowledging it's unlikely but “fun to talk about.”
  • “Let him see the rings.” – Joe, admiring Deebo’s Steelers rings [32:32]
  • Deebo — “If you want to have a legendary career, not just legendary numbers, you know where to go.” [33:00]
  • Joe — “You threw it out. They don’t want to give you no defense... with the Steelers you keep up, you throw up 35 points, might go undefeated.” [33:54]
• Both joke about “recruiting” and Ohio football life, tongue-in-cheek shots at their old organizations, and what it would take to build a championship team.

Notable Quotes

• “All can be forgiven... If you want to have a legendary career, just not legendary numbers... you know where to go, Joe.” – Deebo [32:58]
• “Right now, Joe is missing wearing that gold and purple from LSU and winning championships. What’s the next best thing? Black and gold.” – Deebo [31:22]
• “Mathematically eliminated... that’s not a good feeling.” – Joe (on Burrow’s frustrations in Cincinnati) [35:14]

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Myles Garrett: Will He Get Traded?

Segment Start: [35:39]

Key Points

• Andrew Berry (Browns GM) insists Myles Garrett is “a career Brown,” despite restructuring his contract—prompting trade speculation.
  • Joe & Deebo debate: Is Berry hiding his intentions? Would the Browns actually consider moving Garrett?
    • Joe: The restructure gives them flexibility—Berry just wants to “stop getting asked” about a trade. [36:48]
    • “They pushed up some of the money... scratch his back, scratch their back.” – Joe [41:26]
  • Deebo presses: “If you wanted to trade Myles, you wouldn’t have needed to make a contract adjustment,” and calls Berry’s public denial “not the full story.”
    • “He’s not a liar, but lying.” – Joe [43:06]
• Both agree: GMs rarely show their hand; until something happens, anything’s possible.

Notable Quotes

• “Ain’t always about what you say, it’s about what you don’t say.” – Deebo [44:29]
• “Do you think the GM’s sitting there telling you the truth?” – Joe [44:07]

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Browns’ Draft Strategy & Quarterback Room

Segment Start: [44:36]

Key Points

• Andrew Berry discusses spending more time with Ty Simpson, hinting that the Browns could draft a young QB to compete—possibly with Shadour Sanders and Deshaun Watson.
  • Deebo is skeptical about Simpson: “Wasn’t even a top in the draft class... Is he working the grill at McDonald’s or is he cooking?” [46:10]
  • Joe tries to play it down as “due diligence” or possibly creating a smokescreen for other teams.
• Ultimately, both agree the Browns don’t need to invest high draft capital at QB; Joe prefers sticking with the current quarterback group.

Notable Quotes

• “First time we don’t need a quarterback.” – Joe [51:05]
• Deebo pokes fun at Joe’s indecision: “You use the most not question-to-answer dude ever, bro.” [50:37]

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NFLPA Report Cards Spark Real Changes

Segment Start: [51:37]

Key Points

• The San Francisco 49ers react to their poor NFLPA “report card” by hiring more physical therapists and investing $9M in player wellness facilities.
  • John Lynch (former player and now GM) recognized the feedback as legitimate and useful.
• Joe and Deebo praise the move as practical, showing positive influence of player feedback and player-turned-execs.

Notable Quotes

• “This is why the report cards work for organizations that aren’t offended by the critique. Just look to improve.” – Deebo [52:16]
• “You’re investing in us... taking care of our bodies, doing all this stuff. When we’re asking for things, they’re not crazy.” – Joe [53:15]

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Memorable Moments & Banter

• Deebo’s wisecracks about turning from “childish things” (being a Browns fan) to grown-man “Steelers life.” [27:21]
• Humorous ring-flashing, cigar talk, and playful shots at Pacman Jones, Bengals, and Browns.
• A classic Deebo one-liner:
  • “My coach told me, it takes 25 years to become a master bridge builder. But if you suck cock one time, you’re a sucker for life.” [43:23]
• Candid frustrations and brotherly banter about football, contracts, and loyalty.

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Quick Timestamps for Reference

• [04:08] – T.J. Watt “overpaid” debate
• [11:00] – Rodgers’ contract issue & “decision” drama
• [24:14] – Pacman, recruiting “tampering,” Burrow-to-Pittsburgh schtick
• [35:39] – Myles Garrett contract/trade talk
• [44:36] – Browns draft/quarterback room
• [51:37] – NFLPA report cards and facility improvements

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Overall Tone & Style:
Unfiltered, direct, playful and insider-y; Deebo and Joe don’t hold back on league gossip, rip into (and defend) players and front offices alike, and keep the vibe old-school locker-room real.

Transcript

[Deebo Samuel]

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[Joe]

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[Joe]

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[Deebo Samuel]

How you doing?

[Joe]

I'm doing good brother. Deebo doing great. Another good day. Had a great weekend. Palm Sunday. You know what I'm saying? God is good. He is always here. Blessed. Blessed to be here with you my good brother.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes. No question about it baby. No question about it. Look here man. Bleacher report. They over there tripping man. Wilder they saying TJ is the Steelers, you know most overpaid player. Future report says he has an incredible career but watch 3 year 123 million dollar contract makes him the third highest played defender in in the, in the league. His sack numbers have plummeted in back to back campaigns entering into age 32 season. Well he's 32 this season. Eight time Pro Bowler. Yes. It's not even close to being worth that kind of money these days. Who? Joe, they tripping. Do you agree or disagree?

[Joe]

I, I, I don't, I don't agree. I don't agree at all. But, but this is the thing, Debo. Once you're, when you, when you're the highest paid player, you know how people are actions. They need to see production. Once you start getting that second contract, that third contract, they don't care about any of the stuff that you've done before, any of those previous years. That's irrelevant to the, to the fan or to the player. That, to the people, when they're looking at them playing, they see TJ, they see $123 million that the Steelers are paying and they, they're looking at. That's what we need. We need that production every single year, every single season, every single snap this year. He was hurt, you know what I'm saying? Like, he, he, he got his lung punctured. When TJ's out there, he's, he's put, like, it's not like it was a, like an ankle or, or soft tissue. He had his lung punctured and it was a situation that went down and, and I think if he was out there, he would have still been balling. He hasn't showed any signs of, like, slowing down. TJ is tj, when he's out there, he performs. He not only with sacks, with interceptions, with force, fumbles, with fumble recoveries. He's not just out there just, you know what I'm saying, making sacks, he's creating turnovers, he's getting the ball out, he's doing that. So from the fan's perspective, when you look at it and you see $40 million, I know that's a big number like that, but that's what, that's what the going rate is. When you have a TJ Watt on your team that produces like, that sucks. Like last year, it wasn't good. But having him playing, I'm expecting him to be the same TJ Watt, and he's expecting himself to be TJ Watt. So honestly, coming up on it, he does have to produce. He does. We need TJY out there in the majority of the games. Like, hopefully no punctured lung, you know what I'm saying? Like out there just by his own will out there to just ball do what he got to do. So I'm, I don't think TJY is overpaid. I think that TJY is getting what he's deserved. He came in, it's back pay. It's what he was doing for us. TJY has 115 career sacks, nine picks, 36 force fumbles, and 14 force and 14 fumble recoveries. Like he's with Miles Garrett. 125 career sacks, zero picks, 23 force fumbles and six fumble recoveries. So it's like you have what, like statistically you might not. He doesn't look like Miles Garrett, but the numbers are the numbers. You get that production. When you have TJ Watt on the field, you have Miles Garrett type numbers. So I'm expecting him to be out there a leader on the team. I don't want him to go anywhere. But that's why, like, as a fan, they're looking at it like, dude, he's getting that bag. So we need him to be performing like that or we can move on. What do you think about it?

[Deebo Samuel]

If, if you're going purely by the numbers and him being what they say, the third highest paid defender in the league and having the numbers he's had over the last two years, yes, I'll say it don't correlate with the money, but you're, you're not looking at the things that don't count on the goal sheet and categories that don't really show up as, you know, stats. And that's him taking up two, sometimes three players, you know, every play that are assigned to him. So he's working through double teams. And as you said, it's only one person in the league that gets doubled more than him, and that's Myles Garrett. TJ is number two. Add that with him constantly being chipped, like, come on. Yeah, it's not always about the numbers. And when you do that and you got a guy that is taking two and three, you, you're giving your other players the opportunity to have the one on one matchups where every man whoop a man, you're getting those opportunities. And when you look at him even right now as a top three edge rusher who is, you know, getting paid the money that he's getting paid. For me, I think he's worth it. Cause when you look when they don't have him, when we don't have TJ, dude, what we at 10, 15% win percentage. The sack rate is bottom third. Points allowed, jump from 18 to 24 to 27. Turnovers plummet when TJ is there, it's 60 to 75%. We got a chance of winning when he's there. Sac rate is top five points, 18 to 20. Force fumbles, top 10. So that is things that you, you, you don't see on the record, you don't see in the numbers. But that indicates that yo, when he's out there other Guys are getting more opportunities out there. Thousand percent. They don't understand that concept.

[Joe]

And because in the last two years, did they say his production has slipped. He went. His last two years ago was 11 and a half sacks, and then last season was seven. Seven sacks with two picks. But I'm like, okay, I understand that. That's still 18 sacks in the last two years. It may be a little dip, but now TJ, I'm thinking him in 16 games, he's went. He started off rookie season, seven sacks, then 13, then 14 and a half, then 15, then we go 22, five. Okay. Then we go five and a half. Something happened, injuries, whatever. Next season after that, 19. And then two years ago, 11 and a half. Then last season, seven. I'm just. That's a lot of sacks. That's a lot of production, and that's tj. And I'm thinking him coming back now, making sense, him knowing too. I'm making 40 a year. I don't think TJ likes these numbers. He wants to be around at 15, 16. He's 19. You know what I'm saying? He had 19. He had 22 and a half sacks before. So I think he can still get to those big numbers, and I think he wants to get to those big numbers. And I think just his overall production, his. Through the totality, he has the benefit of the doubt. That I believe, like, okay, last year, aspiration, you got hit in the lung, Come back this season, fully rested, ready to go and show them what you got. So, I mean, I think TJ is definitely going to ball out and prove it to everybody. But it's just the stuff that you said, too, having him out there being chipped, you know what I'm saying? Opening up other people, you look at it something that you.

[Deebo Samuel]

Ten years ago, this dude, he up to now, he's being chipped almost double the percentage of the time he was getting checked two years ago. He was getting doubled two years ago. And you know, when you don't have that pressure you're giving your DBs, they got to cover longer. So the defense is. When he's not out there, the defense, the defense, the DBs, they got to cover longer. Like, you're not sitting out there talking about, okay, 1, 2, 3. Now you're like, oh, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Oh, man, what's going on? Yep, yep. You know what I'm saying? So for them to go and say, you know, he's no, that. That doesn't correlate with me, because they're looking at just pure numbers. If you're looking at pure numbers, then that may correlate to you. But if you know the game and you understand what's really going on and how he affects the game outside of the number, that's. It's just false. It's false, man. And Art, Art said that, you know, he's expecting Aaron Rodgers to answer before the draft. He said, I still expect that. I expect we'll get an answer before the draft. When I talked to him and Omar talked to him, he told us he's. He was going to take a. He wasn't going to take as long this year as he did last year to make a decision. I'm not 100% sure what that means, but I'm expecting something before the dry. Joe. Yo, I don't think they understand. Joe.

[Joe]

I don't think.

[Deebo Samuel]

Listen, I do not think that. Listen, the Steelers do not understand. Aaron is not going to give you a decision until you give this man numbers, okay? Because he not coming back for what he came back for last year, period. I believe he'll retire before he come back for what he came back for last year. He just said, what was it? Hell, I had said weeks ago when he was on the Pat McAfee Show. And he said, well, they have not gave me an offer or a deal yet. So until he gets something sitting in front of him, he's going to sit there and wait. Colin Cord, he just said on Friday, he was like, quote, I don't think think he said, I think Aaron Rodgers, I think Aaron Rodgers did an absolute, absolutely out. Out. Absolutely outplayed his contract. Sorry. And then he said, on top of that, Aaron making 32 million isn't. Is. Is reasonable, dude. Like, and when you look at it, your mid tier guys, they look what, 20 to 30 and then everybody else that's considered good is 30 and up and then you got your 40 plus that are, you know, excellent. You know, guys like that, like, he saved our ass last year, dude. Like, he kind of, you know, you kind of, you kind of owe the man some back pay, you know. So if the Steelers, if the Steelers want a decision before the draft, they're going to have to give him numbers before the draft. Otherwise why would he do anything else than just sit back there? The man done made over 380 million in his career, dude. You're talking about another 100 plus million in endorsements. So he not hurting for money, man. Until y' all give him an offer, he ain't coming back. He ain't Even thinking about doing nothing like that. Tell you what you do. Just go there and get a man, say, hey, 30. Just go 30 and see where it goes from there. If y' all really want him back. Because obviously you must. Must want him back. You're sitting there and you know we're waiting on him.

[Joe]

So. So. So I'm. I'm a little confused. So he. They want the. The. The Steelers want him to say that he's coming back. Just.

[Deebo Samuel]

And then without.

[Joe]

Without. And then. Then we get to talking about the deal.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, that's what I'm assuming. I'm not saying, but that's what it sounds like because he said on the Pat mc, he said that like, yo, I haven't got an offer yet. I haven't had anything to look at. He hasn't made a decision because he doesn't have a decision to make yet. Because if they come with 10, his decision will be made, I'm pretty sure.

[Joe]

Okay. That's what you're saying. Okay, well, that's. If that's making sense. Well, then the Steelers need to go ahead and throw that offer out before the draft that they want to get an answer. Because if he's just. He's like you said, he's not. I'm with you a thousand percent. If. Because I didn't know the situation like that. If you don't have a offer, talking about it.

[Deebo Samuel]

No, but two, three weeks ago.

[Joe]

But I didn't. I didn't know that. They didn't offer him anything. They just want him to say, yeah, I'm coming back, and now we can get to negotiate.

[Deebo Samuel]

They want him to say, yes, I want to play. So they're hoping that his desire to want to play will get him to take a friendly. Friendly, but like, he's do.

[John Green]

Do.

[Deebo Samuel]

He saved us last year. We. We. We're not sitting. We're not sitting nowhere close to 500 if he's not playing last year.

[Joe]

No, I'm with you. You.

[Deebo Samuel]

Right. He definitely outplayed the contract that he signed. Like, yo, it's some back pay. And right now the average is about 30.

[Joe]

That's crazy. I don't. Are you paying you what? What. What are you paying a rod? If you.

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[Joe]

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[Joe]

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[Joe]

Still, did you offer them 30?

[Deebo Samuel]

You debo, if I want him back, I would offer him 30. Me personally, I'm just gonna say, you know what, it's gonna be one more year. Let's just go ahead and run with what we got right now and. And we sink or swim and from there, if we need to get something next year, then we get it. But if I'm going to say, you know what? I feel like Aaron can be that, that, that the quarterback that can put us to where we're fighting for a championship, then yes, here. Hey, 30, let's talk. Where we at? What do you think?

[Joe]

I think this. I think if they're really trying to make it happen, a rod did honestly say the squad he was, he didn't do bad. I don't the 30 is crazy part though, because I was thinking more he definitely outpaid his contract when he came for the 10, 12. Whatever it was, it's going on McCarthy now. I'm like, is it one? Because we're building the offense, we're building the team, building the line. Do we need that 34? If they think that that's going to be the reason. A rod as the quarterback, we got the running back, we got the receivers, we're bringing in the corners and we're getting the safeties. They have a solid team. If, if, if McCarthy thinks, all right, bet a rod with this squad that we got right now, we could run it for the 30. Take the 30. That's like, that's, that's. It's a no brainer for sure.

[Deebo Samuel]

So you offer the 30 and see where we go if.

[Joe]

Yes, I mean, yes, yes. Because right now it's. It's 30 or it's 30 over Will Howard. It's 30 or Will Howard. So. Because, because it's like you would have another additional funds to bring more players, bring more linemen. That money is helping out the team with, with Bill to help out Will Howard. Do you know what I'm saying? So I'm like, if a rod can do it with the 30 and we like what we got, you know what I'm saying? We bringing in our draft picks and make it happen. We could build this team with a rod and compete. And that's what McCarthy thinks. Smooth. If he thinks that 30 can help will Howard and if he don't do it, then we know we need a quarterback for sure, like for future. But we still got the squad. We're still building peoples. We're still getting nice players everywhere. So when we do get that quarterback next season, know what I'm saying? Then we'll be good. So it's either a for the 30 or we rocking with Will to bring more pieces to get the team right with that extra 30, you know what I'm saying? But I'm thinking, whatever, whichever one McCarthy thinks. But I, with me, I would rock with the A. I would rock with a Rod then. Because he's guaranteed it's a hall of Famer. He did what he did for us last year. We're getting better pieces. Everybody perform. We got T.J. he did healthy. We got Dean Porter Jr. Safeties, you know what I'm saying? Like, I won't rock out with him.

[Deebo Samuel]

Interior D lineman, Interior D line.

[Joe]

Yes. You know what I'm saying? Queen hungry. You like, man, y' all got me messed up. Like, I deserve it. I'm still young. I'm a nice linebacker. So you know, herbicide still got hurt.

[Deebo Samuel]

My GM hat on, though. And I'm like, hey, GM owner, I ain't talking about a rebuild. I want to win it, then.

[Joe]

Yeah, no, no, I gotta go ahead

[Deebo Samuel]

and throw him at least. Yeah, we thinking 30 for the year.

[Joe]

Okay, it makes sense. It makes sense because look, when you think about it, when we start talk. Talking about the 30, you can't be looking at the 30 like people are making 60. You know what I'm saying? They were making 50. Like a rod at the 30 ball, like, you know what I'm saying? Sam Darnold, he signed his extension for at 35 a year. That was cool. Like, okay, 30 isn't crazy. When you really. When you really sum it all up. Like, we're gonna get a veteran quarterback that's going to come hold down the ship. We know what we got. It's a rod.

[Deebo Samuel]

All right.

[Joe]

Okay. Rock. Rock out.

[Deebo Samuel]

No question, brother.

[Joe]

You got me there, Debo. You got me there.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, man, all you got. Like, sit back and just look at it like, yo, I mean, I think we almost got like what, maybe like 27 million in cap room right now. We may have to figure out something,

[Joe]

but we can move people's stuff into guarantee money. You know how that go.

[Deebo Samuel]

Two, three. No, three, three, four million. Come on.

[John Green]

Come on.

[Joe]

We could.

[Deebo Samuel]

We could find some way to do something that ain't gonna be hard to do.

[Joe]

No, we could finagle. Omar know how to. Omar know how to move them numbers around.

[Deebo Samuel]

Was the money man for so long, he know how to. Yeah, listen, man, that's why you're getting these signings, getting these great deals. Make making the money long. Making the extend out long. You understand what I'm saying, bro? Look here, man. This man Pac man has something to say about us recruiting, bro. See, Listen. Listen to it, man. James Harrison had a comment. Talking about G. Been talking to Joe, bro. To go to Pittsburgh. This shitty ass state. We are orange and black, not yellow and black. Our roads do not have big ass potholes in them. When you driving around, you can ride on 22s and 24s in Cincinnati. But he had the nerve to come out and say that he had to talk to Joe Burrow. I talked to Joe Burrow. Ain't no way in the hell Joe is Ohio boy. We do not want to go to Pittsburgh. And I know what you sitting over there grinning and laughing about, Drew, because you played with this shitty ass organization that had all else on his goddamn report card. It seems like it would be a Downgrade to anybody that's leaving Cincinnat. Go to goddamn Pittsburgh. I'm just saying this shit gotta stop. It's gotta stop right now. And I called James and I told him, hey, stop tampering with our players, too.

[Joe]

Hey, tell me this, though.

[Deebo Samuel]

Then why is Debo saying that?

[Joe]

Is he just making stuff up out of thin air?

[Deebo Samuel]

I don't know what Debo on. I think he had done smoked a cigar or something. You know, he be chewing up cigars. Maybe he had done lift too many, too much weight, and just came up with this ironic idea about Joe Burrow going to Pittsburgh.

[Joe]

This is.

[Deebo Samuel]

It's. It's ridiculous. Well, listen, still a lot of questions

[Joe]

around the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback position heading into.

[Deebo Samuel]

Well, find you one. Don't with ours. Okay, well, listen, if the money's right or if Mr. Brown gets something.

[Joe]

No, no, no.

[Deebo Samuel]

The money right conversation. The money is right, Joe. Bo's getting paid 50 a year. Well, y' all ain't got the money to pay Joe.

[Joe]

What? No, Debo. That's. That's you. What's up?

[Deebo Samuel]

Me? That means you, Joe.

[Joe]

That's you.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, look here, man. Yes, Pac man called me. Okay?

[Joe]

Okay.

[Deebo Samuel]

We had a conversation about Joe Burrow. And let's just say it was.

[Joe]

Was it. Was it productive?

[Deebo Samuel]

Ah, that's the word I was looking for. It was a productive conversation.

[Joe]

There we go. That's the. That's what I needed to know.

[Deebo Samuel]

It was a very. I think it was productive.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Deebo Samuel]

I think it was productive. So obviously he started off by threatening me with tampering. You know, with the tampering thing. But that don't work because I ain't employed by the Steelers, so you are not. We had to. We had to throw that out the window. Now, I understand Ohio boy. I'm. I'm Ohio boy myself, Joe, AKA Roddy Rowdy, west side County, Akron, Ohio. For y' all that don't know. Okay, now. And yes, everybody knows. I don't if they don't know. I used to be a Browns fan, okay?

[Joe]

Yes, and you did.

[Deebo Samuel]

That was when I was a. I was a young boy. And as I became a man, you know, as I became a man, I put away childish things and wow. I became. I became Stillers fan Joe. And that was kind of after the Browns fought to keep those shitty colors that just happened to be the identical color of Cincinnati's, and. Wow. I am thankful for the opportunity that Mr. Brown gave me back in 2013 to continue my career. And I showed my appreciation, Joe, by Bringing him the AFC north title. Here, let me. Yeah, the AFC north title. I showed him my appreciation.

[Joe]

Good work.

[Deebo Samuel]

Remember that, Mr. Brown. I showed you their appreciation by giving you that ASC north title, 2013. Hey, I told you the title. Travel with me now. And I, I. And. And I proved that to you now because in 24, I mean, in 14, y' all went to 22nd as a defense in the NFL. When I was there, you was third in defense. And I. I ended up coming back and going to Pittsburgh. I unretired and I went to Pittsburgh. And you know what I did? Hold up, let me show you. What I did in Pittsburgh is when I came back in 14, what I do. I took the north with me. I took. Took the north with me.

[Joe]

All right, but good word, Debo.

[Deebo Samuel]

As I. As I spent time over there in Cincinnati, Joe, I realized something.

[Joe]

What you realize, coach, it was nothing

[Deebo Samuel]

that I could do to win a championship, man. So I say this to Mr. Brown, you know, and I know we know what Joe Burrow deserves, and that's a chance win a championship.

[Joe]

Now, I tell you. I tell you this. I much rather pay that Joe Burrow. 50, 55, 60. Then, hey, then. Then, you know, then I'm all in for that. Over. Over anything.

[Deebo Samuel]

No question. Hey, and, hey, and, And. And listen, now, we know that's not gonna happen with Joe Burrow, Cincinnati. And if you really care about it, you give him a chance, okay? At truly a truly legendary career with a truly legendary organization. Hey, Mr. Brown. And don't you worry about a nun. We gonna make it worth it for you. You hear me? We gonna make it worth it for. I mean, not we. I'll say. The Stillers.

[Joe]

The Stillers, yeah. You can't be in cahoots.

[Deebo Samuel]

Distillers gonna make it worth it for you, Mr. Brown. But listen, Mr. Brown, sir, you got to listen to the voice of reason. That's me.

[Joe]

He not going. I hope. I pray. Listen, that would be. You know, I'm with you. I'm with you. It's all. It's one right there. The show.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm. Bro, listen, I'm. You know what? I'mma call him Mr. Jones now. Because even though we are, we are friends. That's. That's a good brother, Mr. Adam Jones.

[Joe]

That's a good one, but that's a good one.

[Deebo Samuel]

My brother, Joe Burrow. Me and him, we go sit on down from 1E. Nice cigar or two, and we go figure out.

[Joe]

And it's not tampering, Debo, because you're not employed by the Stillers, you're not tampering.

[Deebo Samuel]

I ain't employed by the Steelers because I know you on your free will, Joe.

[Joe]

You on your free will.

[Deebo Samuel]

Right now, Joe is missing wearing that gold and purple from LSU and winning championships. What's the next best thing, Joe?

[Joe]

Black and gold.

[Deebo Samuel]

Black and gold and winning the bottas, baby. You know it.

[Joe]

No, see, we.

[Deebo Samuel]

You know it, Joe.

[Joe]

Right now, we. Right now. We're recruiting right now. I'm on my stuff right now. I'm not employed by the Steelers, but I'm on my Steelers vibe right now.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Right now. I'm with you right now,

[Deebo Samuel]

Mr. Jones. Pac man, listen here. We don't care nothing about what you talking about, bro. Yeah, y' all getting scared over there. You getting scared. You up there trying to call and all that. You up there talking to people. They. I'm on three way. I'm listening to what you're saying now. I'm just sitting there. They, like, listen to what he's saying. I hear nervousness in his voice. Chad. Chad Ochocinko. Chad Johnson. We ain't doing this. Shut your damn mouth. Let that man do what he supposed to do.

[Joe]

Should put the rings in the screen, Debo. I ain't gonna lie. The rings looking fine. Rings looking on point.

[Deebo Samuel]

Let him see.

[Joe]

Looking on point. I can't. I ain't gonna lie to you, Debo. Whenever you pull out the ring, sometimes I. I'd be sitting like this. Damn, them jokes look kind of sweet.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes, sir. Those are kind of sweet. Hey, hey, hey, Joe.

[Joe]

Yes, sir. Burrow, burrow.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, listen, don't you worry nothing about what they saying. All is forgiven. All can be forgiven. Everything. But if you want to have a legendary career, just not have legendary numbers. You want to have something to show for it. To show for it. You know where to go. You know where to go. Joe. Joe. Yes, sir. Joe. Tell him, Joe.

[Joe]

See? Look, Debo, I'm letting you for the recruiting. I already know what it is. He know how I feel about it. You already know. I'm accepting. Joe. Burrow. Open arms. That would be unbelievable. And you know what time it is. We got the defense, we getting the receivers. I mean, I don't want to have to give it my. You know. You know what it is, Joe?

[Deebo Samuel]

They having trouble protecting you over there

[Joe]

when they don't even want to talk.

[Deebo Samuel]

They want you to go in there and hash shootouts.

[Joe]

You threw it out.

[Deebo Samuel]

They don't want to give you no defense. They don't want to give you nobody to even try and stop putting points.

[Joe]

Definitely got you. You do. You go out there with. You go out there with the Steelers and you go. You keep up. You throwing up 35 points a game. Might go undefeated.

[Deebo Samuel]

You gave me 35.

[Joe]

What talking about? That's what I'm just saying. I'm just saying. We just be out there comfortable talking about half.

[Deebo Samuel]

He said he wasn't even happy playing the game. He said he had to figure out what was going on, how to get his joy back mid season last year. Open up. I don't want you to feel that way, Joe. See, I want your happiness back. I want your joy.

[Joe]

Yep. I want you to love the game. I want you to love the game. I would not. I got there to Pittsburgh. I love the game. I ain't gonna lie to you. I did talk to him.

[Deebo Samuel]

Talk to him, Joe.

[Joe]

All you gotta do is do your 1/11. Just do your part and you gonna be good.

[Deebo Samuel]

Just do your part.

[Joe]

You do your job at a high level.

[Deebo Samuel]

How'd it feel, Joe?

[Joe]

It felt good, you know. God.

[Deebo Samuel]

First.

[Joe]

First. 2017 just was amazing. Woo. Playoffs and all.

[Deebo Samuel]

Lord. Hey, Joe. Joe. Joe.

[Joe]

Yo.

[Deebo Samuel]

Tell him how dark it is when you're in Ohio. Tell him how dark that cloud is over you when you get into weak. When you get into week 10. Joe, stop. Hey, you know, tell the truth and shame the devil. All right.

[Joe]

You know? Yeah. No, I could tell. Joe Burrow being mathematically eliminated. Joe Burrow. That's not a good feeling. I know that. Hey, that hit you. Ah.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, we never been that.

[Joe]

I'm telling you. That's what I'm saying.

[Deebo Samuel]

Always been in the fight. All right?

[Joe]

Now, I'm not. I'm not talking down on my. No more. No more. There will be no more Browns down talk. We talking about the bag.

[Deebo Samuel]

Let's get into the Browns. While we talking about no Browns down talk, the boys over there, they reached. They. They modified the language of Miles Garrett's contract. Yes, but Andrew Barrett says that the team will not trade Miles. He says Miles is a career Brown. He is one of the faces of the organization. I think we've been very clear both past and present in terms of feelings. I understand all the questions, but I'll be honest. I don't really want to waste a ton more breath on the topic. Joe, Joe, look here, Joe. This is. This is. This is. This is what I have to do. Say about that. He said if we wanted to trade Miles, we wouldn't have needed to make a contract. Adjustment. Why do you think he made this statement? Why do you think? What was the reason that you would need to do. Why would Miles agree to doing this, to kicking his money back? Like, why, Joe? You tell me. Because that's, that's your, that's your gm, Joe.

[Joe]

You know why? Because he doesn't want to keep answering the questions. He could trade Miles if he wants to. He just don't want to have people keep asking all these questions. Obviously, he did it for a reason.

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[Lily Herman]

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[Deebo Samuel]

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[Joe]

Because he don't want no all in his business. He got to make statements and basically Miles isn't going nowhere. And guess what? When he trades them he'll be like, you know what, the deal just came along and and then I just had to make this move the same way.

[Deebo Samuel]

Why would you even make the change in the language anyway then? Because what is everybody thinking? You wouldn't change the language. You would just get that man his money. Wasn't supposed to get his money. Miles wouldn't say, oh yeah, I'm gonna let you kick my money back. Would you say, I'm gonna let you kick my money back? And we just doing this because oh hell, you felt like doing it. Tell the truth. Saying, I'm asking you, what would you do, Joe?

[Joe]

What would I do?

[Deebo Samuel]

What would you do? What he did allowed him to kick your money back for no reason with nothing to gain from it. But other than waiting on your money, he don't know.

[Joe]

He gained a little bit. They pushed up some of the like it was like 8 million that they pushed up. They moved it up from like some years back to go forward. So it was a little bit of scratch his back. A little bit of scratch their back.

[Deebo Samuel]

So why they do all that? Why not just say, hey, I moved some money up for him to scratch back? Why was he scratching his back? What you talking about, Joe? Scratching his back for what?

[Joe]

I'mma. This. This is what really happened, Debo.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay, tell me what happened.

[Joe]

The Browns really did it. So he can have this from what I told you last week, so he could have time. So he could have time to figure out after the draft if they did want to move Miles, giving hisself wiggle room, giving himself a little bit more time.

[Deebo Samuel]

But he said it was never. He never. He was never trading Miles. Like he said if they wanted to trade Miles, they would lying. He wouldn't need to adjust nothing. He said that was nothing to do it. So he's lying.

[Joe]

He's lying. Oh, I would say for me, speaking

[Deebo Samuel]

of him lying, I like that because you asking me.

[Joe]

Because look, when the team, when they did say unless, until the hand. Until the deal is done, until the paperwork is signed. Deebo.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Like the same way with the Max Crosby Jones. Everybody thought the deal was done. Oh, yeah. Good faith. In good faith. I say, no, they just gonna tell you something. Ain't gotta do nothing. They could be working right behind the closed doors. You're like, no, Miles ain't going nowhere. Talking to the Raiders on the phone, talking to anybody on the phone. They going to talk. They're going to be able to have all options open. They're going to tell us, oh, no, right now he's not going nowhere. He could be willing and dealing right now. It's none of our business.

[Deebo Samuel]

See him in conversation with somebody from Philly, brother.

[Joe]

That's what GMs do. Who else is going to be at

[Deebo Samuel]

the GM from Philly?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's just a liar? No, no, no, he's not a liar, but lying. He's lying. I mean, if you lie, you're liar. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe he's not lying. Maybe he's like. He's not doing it right here at that exact moment.

[Deebo Samuel]

My coach told me, he said, 25 years to become a master bridge builder. He said, but if you suck cock one time, you're a sucker for life,

[Joe]

Debo.

[Deebo Samuel]

My coach told me that.

[Joe]

Let me tell you something. If he's not, you know what? He's actually not lying at that very moment. They probably weren't. They probably weren't talking about trading Miles. Why are you asking that question right there at this very moment? No, at this very moment, Miles is on the team. We're not thinking about trading Miles right now.

[Deebo Samuel]

As you could think.

[Joe]

Your mind, your mind could change in five minutes once he leaves. They'd be like, oh, man, you know what? I'm thinking about actually maybe trading Miles. He could change his mind.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay.

[Joe]

Yeah. They don't have to. Do you think the GM's is sitting there telling you the truth?

[Deebo Samuel]

When he said he. If he wanted to trade Mouse, he couldn't have needed to make a contract adjustment means that he never said he didn't want to trade Miles. He just said he wouldn't need adjust the contract.

[Joe]

He said, I could have did it. I could have did it if I was.

[Deebo Samuel]

It ain't always about what you say, it's about what you don't say.

[Joe]

Yes, he could have did it if you wanted to. Could have traded Miles.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay. Okay. Because right now, your boy Andrew Barrett, he says he'll spend more time with Ty Simpson and it's wholly realistic for the Browns to add a young quarterback. He said Arlene would be. If we do add someone to the quarterback room, it would be someone who's a younger player, most likely anyone we bring into. Anyone we bring in at that spot on the roster. Our thought is that they're competing. They're competing to play. They have something that we like in their skill set, and our expectation would be for them to work hard. So what I'm getting from that, Joe.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Deebo Samuel]

Is that he's saying that he believes Ty Simpson is good enough to compete with Shador Sanders and Deshaun Watson for the starting quarterback position. That's what I'm getting. That's the. Because that's what he said in the statement. That's what he said in the statement. So that's your GM that's cooking that you said was cooking a little bit. Like. Like I'm starting to think he might be cooking on the Grill at McDonald's right now. Joe, tell me something. What's going on, Joe, Because I don't know if anybody in the NFL, NFL execs, annulus commentators that said the man was even. He ain't even the top in the draft choice. Man, he in a weak draft class. He ain't even the top quarterback. But ain't no Joe, what is he? Joe, what is he? He cooking. He cook. He cooking at McDonald's. Huh? Tell me what's going on, Joe. What's going on what's this? Cause I can read what he said, and I ain't even got to read in between lines. It ain't about what he didn't say. It's about what he said. Joe, tell. Why you so quiet, Joe? Come on, fight me.

[Joe]

Because I think with this one, I think he might be, it might be a smokescreen, you know, just trying to get other, Other people to. Other people to look at him higher. Other people to look at Ty Simpson higher on the, on their draft board.

[Deebo Samuel]

They cool or something.

[Joe]

Who?

[Deebo Samuel]

Him and Ty Simpson? What? What?

[Joe]

No.

[Deebo Samuel]

What. What was the point of that? I don't know.

[Joe]

Honestly. Honestly, with this one, I don't know. I don't know what Andrew Berry's talking about, okay? Like, I don't know. I, I, I don't know why he would go spend more time with them. I, he must, he must think that he's that good. So if he's gonna bring him into the room, he thinks he's with Shador.

[Deebo Samuel]

What did I tell you about his judgment? His. You tell me, Joe.

[Joe]

It's not. We not on the same. We're not on the same page as this every time, every decision that our GM makes. That doesn't mean that I gotta sit here and blindly back it. I don't agree. I do not agree. Okay, so with what he's saying right here.

[Deebo Samuel]

But you said he was cooking. Is he still cooking, or is he working at McDonald's in the back grill? Just putting the burger on set temperature.

[Joe]

It's still early. He didn't draft them yet. We still acting like the Barrels picked the man up in the draft. He asked the man the question. He's going to spend some time with him. Okay, we'll see. Like, you got spent some wasting time

[Deebo Samuel]

with somebody that you ain't gonna draft, don't have the potential, don't even want to look at. Just to do what, bro?

[Joe]

You gonna do your due diligence, do your homework? I'm not gonna be mad at a man for looking at him if he thinks he's a good quarterback, okay? Study him. See what it is. If he drafts them, then we'll have a whole different conversation. But literally right now, I don't agree. I wouldn't be spending that much time with Ty Simpson if I was Andrew Barry. If I were the GM for the Browns, I would. Quarterback's good. We got Deshawn. We already good. We got Shador here. We already drafted Dylan last year. We trying to figure out what's going on. We got three we're solid, Ty.

[Deebo Samuel]

No.

[Joe]

If I was the gm, but this is Andrew Berry and that's what I said. This is what he said. I don't agree. I wouldn't be doing it. But he is. So I'm like can knock it. Hopefully. He probably thinks he's good. Like everything. He said he might be throwing a smokescreen. I don't know. Probably not. You said why does he know Ty Simpson? He probably. He doesn't. So it's not a smokescreen. You're correct, Debo. I don't know why he's doing it. I wouldn't. But I guess he likes him.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yo, that's the only time I bring out my cigar and rings is for like all that good stuff. But you know, we're second best to that and almost damage. They're. They're as good what Browns Cincinnati doing and saying stupid. It's great. Oh, it's great.

[Joe]

Listen, listen. We gonna just charge. We acting like he drafted Ty Simpson though. So I'm not gonna sit there and smack it like, no, I wouldn't have done this. But we'll see. We still got the draft coming. We'll see what he does. He's still. He's still. I'm.

[Deebo Samuel]

Is you. Is you drinking? Drinking?

[Joe]

No, man. That's coffee.

[Deebo Samuel]

Did you. Did you spike it with something?

[Joe]

No, man, I need to.

[Deebo Samuel]

You look like you need a drink.

[Joe]

You're stressing me out.

[Deebo Samuel]

I don't. Joe, Joe, listen. You, you was my brother. I do not mean to stress you out.

[Joe]

That's what I'm thinking.

[Deebo Samuel]

Stress you out. I can't be in charge of how you react to the simple things that your GM is doing that you said was doing some cooking.

[Joe]

And I told you he's not boiling chicken. Because Ty Simpson is still a first round pick, though people still got him going as a first rounder.

[Deebo Samuel]

You want him at your. You want him at your team. You want him in your room.

[Joe]

He's not. He's not. He's not bad. I, I, I, I. Joe use the

[Deebo Samuel]

most not question to answer dude ever, bro. I asked you a simple question, Joe.

[Joe]

No. Cause no. I already said no. Because I like Shador more. I like Shador more. Some other people might like Ty and I don't think he's a bad quarterback. He could still be a first round pick.

[Deebo Samuel]

Better. Better. Better than better. You like him better than Watson. Maybe he could come in and see.

[Joe]

No, we don't need him over here. That's all I'm saying. Cleveland, for the first time that's all

[Deebo Samuel]

you had to say, man.

[Joe]

I feel like we don't need a quarterback for the first time.

[Deebo Samuel]

Say it with your chest.

[Joe]

We don't need a quarterback right now. That's what I'm saying. I've been saying it.

[Deebo Samuel]

Poke that thing out, Joe. I lift weight, I lift weights and

[Joe]

we don't need a quarterback.

[Deebo Samuel]

Dang. I'm right. Wrong, bro. You know, you know. Hey, man, you know, you know, you my guy, man.

[Joe]

Thank you, brother.

[Deebo Samuel]

Brother, man. My brother from another.

[Joe]

Getting some Bailey's in this coffee got me stressing.

[Deebo Samuel]

Got you stressing? Man, look here, man. After the NFL PA report cards came out, the training staff for the San Francisco 49ers decided to take action. GM John lynch said that the team dug deeper into the grades and what they could do to improve things. The club found out that players wanted more one on one attention, which led to them hiring three more physical therapists and investing 9 million into hydro areas like cold plunges pools which had previously graded low. Joe.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Deebo Samuel]

Sermon said that right here. He said, this is why the report cards work for organizations that aren't offended by the critique. Just look to improve, brother. Yes. Listen, it's simple. You know why that is? You know what it is?

[Joe]

Why is that?

[Deebo Samuel]

John lynch is a former player.

[Joe]

Yes, he is.

[Deebo Samuel]

Knows that these report cards are real and have credibility. And as a responsible gm, he said, hey, let me get this corrected. Let me improve because that makes sense to do it. But common sense ain't common no more. You understand?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

How do you feel about this, Joe?

[Joe]

You like this?

[Deebo Samuel]

You love this?

[Joe]

I, I love this. And that's why I love the report cards, Debo, because they're honest opinions and they were actually getting things fixed. Because it's like you not trying to shoot the messenger. You know, you're in an organization and if stuff is bad, it's bad. If it's good, it's good. We don't want to sit there and just give out fake stuff. It's like, oh no, food is good. Like smooth. And especially people that played on different teams. You've been different places before. You've seen other organizations, you know how other people are moving you like, okay, you know, this is nice, this is smooth and just smooth grades. I love the fact that when teams, when really real things get done, the hot tubs, the cold tubs, we're not asking for like crazy things. We're asking for things that are really going to help us on the field with the production. You guys want us to be we're your investment. So if you want to take care of the investment you're investing in, into us, you know what I'm saying? Like taking care of our bodies, doing all of this stuff, make crowd therapies, is nothing really like out of the ordinary. So I love when the report cards get addressed by the owners because it shows they're trying to take care of their investments. And it's when we're, we're not asking for crazy things. So when they're throwing in nice stuff with the tubs and all that, I just see, I love that they're paying attention and that they're listening to what the players are asking for. So I'm all for it.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, yeah, I'm 100 for this. You can't go wrong with this. It seems like to me that the NFL is only worried about the, the optics of, you know, how it looks, you know what I'm saying? They don't want to look like they don't care. They wanna, they want to look like they care about the well being, the players and, and all that, but the NFL only care about the bottom line and that's them making money. That was just like when the whole player safety initiative started and the NFL got sued, I believe it was 2011. They got sued for, for a class action lawsuit for concussions. But the rumblings started in 2007 when Congress investigated the NFL over concussions. By 2008, it was more research that actually linked football to CTE. And guess what happened in 2009. They started finding the out of us. They started changing rules in the middle of the season, in the middle of a game. Okay, why? Because it was gonna be a problem about their money.

[Joe]

Oh, for sure.

[Deebo Samuel]

And by 2000, what was it? 13 through 15. They ended up doing a bunch of settlements on it. So when it comes down to it, it's about the money. When it start affecting the money, then things get changed. This is an I heart podcast. Guaranteed human.