Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Deebo reacts to Pacman calling him out + Rodgers decision soon? Myles Garrett staying? - Nightcap

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Deebo Samuel (0:00)

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Joe (1:37)

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Summary

Nightcap: Deebo & Joe – Part 1

Date: March 30, 2026
Main Theme:
A lively, unfiltered discussion between Deebo Samuel and Joe covering headline NFL stories: whether Steelers’ T.J. Watt is overpaid, Aaron Rodgers’ contract and future, quarterback rumors (including wild speculation about Joe Burrow moving), and Myles Garrett’s contract and trade status, all with signature NFL-insider humor, authenticity, and personal insights.

T.J. Watt: Is He Overpaid?

Segment Start: [04:08]

Key Points

Deebo and Joe react to Bleacher Report claiming T.J. Watt is the Steelers’ “most overpaid player,” citing his hefty three-year, $123 million contract and declining sack numbers.
Joe disputes the label, defending T.J.’s value and citing context (injuries, being double- and triple-teamed, turnovers created).
- “He hasn’t showed any signs of slowing down... TJ is TJ. When he’s out there, he performs.” – Joe [05:00]
- Lists Watt’s complete stats: 115 sacks, 9 picks, 36 forced fumbles, 14 recoveries.
- Draws comparison to Myles Garrett, stressing similar impact.
- Even at lower sack totals due to a punctured lung last season, Joe expects he’ll return to dominant form.
Deebo adds that advanced stats don’t show T.J.’s true impact: double teams create openings for other defenders; the Steelers’ win percentage drops drastically when Watt is out.
- “It’s not always about the numbers... When we don’t have TJ, what, we at 10-15% win percentage? The sack rate is bottom third... When he’s there, it’s 60 to 75%.” – Deebo [07:35]

Notable Quotes

“From the fans, when you look at it and you see $40 mil, I know that’s a big number... but that’s what the going rate is.” – Joe [06:10]
“He’s worth it. ’Cause when they don’t have him... turnovers plummet. When TJ’s there, we got a chance of winning.” – Deebo [08:15]

Aaron Rodgers’ Steelers Future: Contract Stand-off

Segment Start: [11:00]

Key Points

Steelers brass expect a decision from Rodgers before the draft, but Deebo says Rodgers won’t budge without a worthy offer.
- “Aaron is not going to give you a decision until you give this man numbers, okay?” – Deebo [12:29]
- Rodgers has said publicly he hasn’t received an offer; Deebo predicts he’d retire before accepting “last year’s” money.
- Joe and Deebo agree 30 million/year is the fair offer. Anything less won’t move the needle.
They weigh whether the Steelers should go all in for Rodgers or roll with Will Howard and invest elsewhere.
- “If a rod [Rodgers] can do it with the 30 and we like what we got... we could build this team and compete.” – Joe [21:36]
- Discussion on Steelers’ cap room: Consensus—Omar Khan (Steelers GM) will “find a way” if they want to keep Rodgers [24:11]
Light-hearted banter about how to get deals done and the realities behind player negotiations.

Notable Quotes

“He saved our ass last year, dude... you kind of owe the man some back pay.” – Deebo [13:00]
“If the money’s right, or if Mr. Brown gets something...” – Deebo, teasing Burrow/Steelers gossip [25:53]

Pacman Jones Calls Out Deebo – The Joe Burrow to Pittsburgh Rumor

Segment Start: [24:14]

Key Points

Pacman Jones rants about rumors that Steelers (via Deebo) are recruiting Joe Burrow away from Cincinnati.
- “Our roads do not have big ass potholes... you can ride on 22s and 24s in Cincinnati!” – Pacman (quoted by Deebo) [25:13]
- Pacman calls Deebo and threatens tampering, but Deebo jokes he’s not employed by the Steelers.
Deebo and Joe riff on the fantasy of Burrow joining the Steelers—acknowledging it's unlikely but “fun to talk about.”
- “Let him see the rings.” – Joe, admiring Deebo’s Steelers rings [32:32]
- Deebo — “If you want to have a legendary career, not just legendary numbers, you know where to go.” [33:00]
- Joe — “You threw it out. They don’t want to give you no defense... with the Steelers you keep up, you throw up 35 points, might go undefeated.” [33:54]
Both joke about “recruiting” and Ohio football life, tongue-in-cheek shots at their old organizations, and what it would take to build a championship team.

Notable Quotes

“All can be forgiven... If you want to have a legendary career, just not legendary numbers... you know where to go, Joe.” – Deebo [32:58]
“Right now, Joe is missing wearing that gold and purple from LSU and winning championships. What’s the next best thing? Black and gold.” – Deebo [31:22]
“Mathematically eliminated... that’s not a good feeling.” – Joe (on Burrow’s frustrations in Cincinnati) [35:14]

Myles Garrett: Will He Get Traded?

Segment Start: [35:39]

Key Points

Andrew Berry (Browns GM) insists Myles Garrett is “a career Brown,” despite restructuring his contract—prompting trade speculation.
- Joe & Deebo debate: Is Berry hiding his intentions? Would the Browns actually consider moving Garrett?
  - Joe: The restructure gives them flexibility—Berry just wants to “stop getting asked” about a trade. [36:48]
  - “They pushed up some of the money... scratch his back, scratch their back.” – Joe [41:26]
- Deebo presses: “If you wanted to trade Myles, you wouldn’t have needed to make a contract adjustment,” and calls Berry’s public denial “not the full story.”
  - “He’s not a liar, but lying.” – Joe [43:06]
Both agree: GMs rarely show their hand; until something happens, anything’s possible.

Notable Quotes

“Ain’t always about what you say, it’s about what you don’t say.” – Deebo [44:29]
“Do you think the GM’s sitting there telling you the truth?” – Joe [44:07]

Browns’ Draft Strategy & Quarterback Room

Segment Start: [44:36]

Key Points

Andrew Berry discusses spending more time with Ty Simpson, hinting that the Browns could draft a young QB to compete—possibly with Shadour Sanders and Deshaun Watson.
- Deebo is skeptical about Simpson: “Wasn’t even a top in the draft class... Is he working the grill at McDonald’s or is he cooking?” [46:10]
- Joe tries to play it down as “due diligence” or possibly creating a smokescreen for other teams.
Ultimately, both agree the Browns don’t need to invest high draft capital at QB; Joe prefers sticking with the current quarterback group.

Notable Quotes

“First time we don’t need a quarterback.” – Joe [51:05]
Deebo pokes fun at Joe’s indecision: “You use the most not question-to-answer dude ever, bro.” [50:37]

NFLPA Report Cards Spark Real Changes

Segment Start: [51:37]

Key Points

The San Francisco 49ers react to their poor NFLPA “report card” by hiring more physical therapists and investing $9M in player wellness facilities.
- John Lynch (former player and now GM) recognized the feedback as legitimate and useful.
Joe and Deebo praise the move as practical, showing positive influence of player feedback and player-turned-execs.

Notable Quotes

“This is why the report cards work for organizations that aren’t offended by the critique. Just look to improve.” – Deebo [52:16]
“You’re investing in us... taking care of our bodies, doing all this stuff. When we’re asking for things, they’re not crazy.” – Joe [53:15]

Memorable Moments & Banter

Deebo’s wisecracks about turning from “childish things” (being a Browns fan) to grown-man “Steelers life.” [27:21]
Humorous ring-flashing, cigar talk, and playful shots at Pacman Jones, Bengals, and Browns.
A classic Deebo one-liner:
- “My coach told me, it takes 25 years to become a master bridge builder. But if you suck cock one time, you’re a sucker for life.” [43:23]
Candid frustrations and brotherly banter about football, contracts, and loyalty.

Quick Timestamps for Reference

[04:08] – T.J. Watt “overpaid” debate
[11:00] – Rodgers’ contract issue & “decision” drama
[24:14] – Pacman, recruiting “tampering,” Burrow-to-Pittsburgh schtick
[35:39] – Myles Garrett contract/trade talk
[44:36] – Browns draft/quarterback room
[51:37] – NFLPA report cards and facility improvements

Overall Tone & Style:
Unfiltered, direct, playful and insider-y; Deebo and Joe don’t hold back on league gossip, rip into (and defend) players and front offices alike, and keep the vibe old-school locker-room real.