Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Joe Attends Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce's Wedding + Will Shedeur Start Week 1?

Summary

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Nightcap (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)

Episode: Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Joe Attends Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce's Wedding + Will Shedeur Start Week 1?

Date: July 7, 2026
Hosts: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe Hayden

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap features hosts Deebo and Joe catching up on Joe’s eventful weekend—including an inside look at Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift's star-studded wedding, near-misses on a seaplane in the Hamptons, and reflecting on travel woes. The episode then pivots to deep football analysis, covering Aaron Rodgers in Mike McCarthy’s offense, the Pittsburgh Steelers’ ongoing field issues, and an in-depth debate on whether rookie Shedeur Sanders should start at quarterback for the Cleveland Browns in Week 1. Throughout, the hosts combine humor, personal anecdotes, and authentic player insight in their signature conversational tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Joe Attends Travis Kelce & Taylor Swift’s Wedding

Timestamps: 04:00–06:49

• Joe’s Recap:

  • Joe describes the wedding as “love in the air” and notes the high security and A-list guest list. It felt like “the ESPYs/the Grammys/the Oscars.”
  • Memorable quote: “I love love. I genuinely think Trav and Taylor are happy together.” (Joe, 05:01)
  • Joe affirms he kept his NDA, but enjoyed “bumping shoulders” with familiar faces and called it “a spectacle, it was a sight to see.”
  • Deebo jokes about not being invited because he’d have shown up in a beater, not a tux.

• Personal Anecdotes:

  • Joe and his wife met Taylor at a prior birthday event thanks to Kelce and speak highly of the couple.

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2. Joe’s Hamptons Adventure, Anniversaries & Travel Fiascos

Timestamps: 06:03–16:17

• Hamptons & Anniversary:

  • Joe celebrates his 13th wedding anniversary in the Hamptons, describing the visit fondly and recommending the Topping Rose hotel.
  • Travel complications: forced to stay near JFK due to weather, stuck at a casino hotel while waiting out delays.

• Seaplane Scare:

  • Joe’s (mis)adventures with Blade’s seaplane between Manhattan and the Hamptons:
    • Recalls abortive takeoff due to boat traffic, a nerve-wracking bounce, and seeing the same company’s seaplane crash (without fatalities) the very next day.
    • Quote: “I did not know what a seaplane is. And I will never get on the damn seaplane again.” (Joe, 09:24)
    • Deebo discusses bush pilots and “real pilots,” sharing his own Alaska seaplane story.

• Travel Talk:

  • Joe and wife opted for a 3.5-hour car ride home rather than risk another flight, enjoying old TV shows en route.
  • Deebo, joking: “Every time Joe goes somewhere, man, we gotta sit there and pray, man. We gotta drop to our knees and make sure that he get back, man. You need a prayer circle. Anytime Joe say he going somewhere, man. I’m telling you, y’all pray for Joe.” (16:07)

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3. Deep Dive: Mike McCarthy’s Offense and Aaron Rodgers’ Fit

Timestamps: 22:12–34:27

• Aaron Rodgers/McCarthy System:

  • Deebo shares that Rodgers describes McCarthy’s offense as all about “quarterback timing” and having that “West Coast” DNA (22:12).
  • Rich Gannon’s quoted as saying McCarthy’s coaching transformed his career and attention to detail puts him “head and shoulders above everyone else.” (23:07)

• Joe’s Analysis:

  • Predicts the offense will be “light years better,” emphasizing execution, discipline, establishing the run, and Rodgers’ mental game. He expects big years for Pittman, DK Metcalf, Friermuth, and Mount Washington. (24:24–34:06)
  • Joe: “When you know what somebody’s going to do, when you’re undressing them with your emotions and just being in a comfortable state, you’re in attack mode.” (24:27)
  • Coaches are crucial in player development; citing contrasts between coaches who teach details and those who don’t.
  • Joe: “If our offense with the players that we have is disciplined … our offense is going to be unbelievable.” (24:52)

• Deebo on Coaching:

  • Discusses how crucial it is for all offensive units, especially receivers, to read coverage, citing past Steelers issues. (29:46–34:12)
  • Deebo: “You can have the best players in the world and if they don’t know what they’re doing or how to do it, they go look average.” (31:54)

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4. Steelers Field Controversy—New Grass, Same Problems?

Timestamps: 34:27–48:18

• Installation of Tomahawk 31 Bermuda Grass:

  • Steelers’ stadium replaces notoriously bad grass (F- grade from NFLPA) with high-quality Bermuda, but the hosts doubt it solves the core issue.
  • Main problem: Overuse—shared between Pitt, Steelers, and high school playoff games; plus, weather shortens grass recovery periods.
  • Deebo: “It’s not going to get any better. It’s always good early in the year … then you start changing … from your little speed cleats to your seven studs. … You just digging in dirt.” (44:19)

• Player Safety vs. Practicality:

  • Both agree grass is safer but impractical without reducing events; suggest the Steelers and Pitt get separate stadiums.
  • Joe: “If we’re always talking about … the main thing is the football stadium for the Pittsburgh Steelers, so you want them to have the prime surface…” (46:51)
  • Deebo notes that for high school/turf fields, at least get “good quality turf” for safety, but NFL/tier stadiums should prioritize grass.

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5. QB Battle in Cleveland: Will Shedeur Sanders Start Week 1?

Timestamps: 49:12–58:27

• Scout Prediction:

  • NFL Scout predicts that rookie Shedeur Sanders will start Week 1, saying it’s time for Cleveland to find out what they have and start building for the future, rather than sticking with Deshaun Watson.

• Joe’s Perspective:

  • Strongly prefers Shedeur to start; doesn’t view Watson as the future, says Sanders deserves a legit shot with new weapons and coaching staff.
  • Joe: “Now with the new pieces that we have on this team … let's give him a valid shot … if he's making these passes, [but] if he's just spinning around in the pocket taking unnecessary sacks, that's on you, Shador.” (52:24)

• Deebo’s Analysis:

  • Emphasizes that organizational logic dictates a youth movement: “You are building for the future, so you have to see what you have. That's the whole reason you traded Miles Garrett, is so you can start building, get draft picks for the future.”
  • Suggests the front office may be hyping up the competition publicly to motivate Sanders.

• Quarterback Room:

  • Both agree it should be a competition in camp and preseason, but think Sanders will ultimately be given the keys to see if he’s their long-term option, with Watson serving as a highly paid veteran backup if necessary.
  • Joe: “We gotta find a way to do it because … let's see if this quarterback is our future quarterback or he’s not. Because we know Deshaun Watson isn't.” (57:03)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On The Kelce-Swift Wedding:

  • “I was clean Deebo. I was clean as The Board of Health. I'm gonna tell you that right now.” (Joe, 04:51)

• On Travel Drama:

  • “I did not know what a seaplane is. And I will never get on the damn seaplane again.” (Joe, 09:24)
  • “Every time Joe goes somewhere, man, we gotta sit there and pray, man.” (Deebo, 16:07)

• On McCarthy’s Offense:

  • “I spent 13 years in Mike McCarthy’s offense. He changed some stuff when he was in Dallas. It’s stuff that we used to run, but he just called it something different now.” (Rodgers via Deebo, 22:12)
  • “If our offense with the players that we have is disciplined and we're able to take advantage … our offense is going to be unbelievable.” (Joe, 24:52)

• On Steelers Field:

  • “It’s a living, breathing surface. It needs time to recover from what we’re doing to it.” (Deebo, 46:22)

• On Cleveland’s QB Future:

  • “Now with the new pieces that we have … let's give [Shadur] a valid shot with the new coach to see if he's the guy or we need to go move on and get another quarterback in the future.” (Joe, 50:37)
  • “You can have the best players in the world and if they don’t know what they’re doing or how to do it, they go look average.” (Deebo, 31:54)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Joe’s Wedding Recap: 04:00–06:49
• Seaplane Incident: 09:20–13:54
• Travel Antics & Marriage: 06:03–16:17
• McCarthy/Rodgers Offense Deep-Dive: 22:12–34:27
• Steelers Field Issues: 34:27–48:18
• Cleveland QB Competition: 49:12–58:27

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Episode Tone & Style

• Lively, candid, and humorous banter between two ex-NFL stars.
• Blend of personal stories, technical football insight, and unfiltered opinions, reflecting an insider’s but accessible point of view for fans.
• Occasional ribbing and friendly rivalry between Joe & Deebo (especially about the Steelers and Browns).

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Summary for Listeners

If you missed this Nightcap episode, you’ll catch a blend of locker-room storytelling (Joe’s celebrity wedding, travel nightmares) and deep NFL breakdowns. The hosts speak as former players with real locker room insight—they debate the state of the Steelers’ field, the impact of elite coaching, and why the Browns are right to prioritize Shedeur Sanders in their rebuild. It’s a must-listen for football fans interested in authentic player takes, sprinkled with the personal ups and downs of NFL retirement.

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[Joe Hayden]

Hey. Hey, Joe.

[James DeBo Harrison]

How you doing today, Joe? I heard you was doing some things over the weekend, Joe, brother.

[Joe Hayden]

Deebo, I'm doing great. I attended some, you know what I'm saying, A beautiful, beautiful wedding. It's nothing but love. It was love in the air. That's all I got to say.

[James DeBo Harrison]

It was love in the air.

[Joe Hayden]

It was love in the air.

[James DeBo Harrison]

It was love in the air. And y', all, I heard y' all was kind of messing up people's, you know, electricity. They were shutting off shit and everything out there for you. You know what.

[Joe Hayden]

What was going on, Joe?

[James DeBo Harrison]

Joe, listen, man, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me. How was the festivities, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Festivities?

[James DeBo Harrison]

You know I ain't getting no invite. You know why I ain't getting no invite? They said, look, they said I was gonna mess it up.

[Joe Hayden]

You was gonna come in there with the. With the beater on. I knew that you was going. You would have got the invite. You would have came in there, tuxedo down, dressed to impress, you know what I'm saying? And that's Debo. I came in there stepping. Did you see me? I came in that joint, pocket watch on. I was clean D, bro. I was cleaning The Board of Health. I'm gonna tell you that right now.

[James DeBo Harrison]

You was cleaning, Joe. You was cleaner than the Border Health,

[Joe Hayden]

cleaner than the Board of Health. I came in there with the pocket watch. You know what I'm saying? Long story short, I met my man Trav, though, a minute ago. You know, he's from Cleveland. So I got the invite, was super excited about it. Okay. A lot of familiar faces in the spot, Debo. I felt like it was real. I'm not. You know what I'm saying? A lot of familiar faces. I felt like he was at the ESPYs/ the Grammys slash the Oscars. But me, I love love. I love love. I genuinely think Trav and Trav and Taylor are happy together. My man invited me to go to one of his games probably three years ago for Taylor's birthday, invite us out there. So me and my wife got to meet her. Kicked it with him. Great couple. I just woke. Nothing but the best. So it was a spectacle. It was a sight to see. I'm keeping my NDAs, you know what I'm saying? So it was just a lot of people there. It was amazing. It was a great time, great function. Got to bump shoulders with a lot of good friends. Saw a lot of people that I haven't seen in a while, but it was fire, Debo. It was dope.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Okay, well, what about what you do? Anniversary, all that stuff? You had a lot of stuff going on on the weekend, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. So then that's why I'm still right now. We went to. We went to the Hamptons, Brought my lady out to the Hamptons for the first time, you know what I'm saying? Had to go see what that was like. Got a little nice spot. Got a little hotel called at the Topping Rose. You know, some friends were out there. We ended up doing some shopping in East Hamptons, a little lunch, watch the. Watch the World Cup.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying? So we've been doing a little bit of that. Yesterday, I was supposed to get my flight. I was supposed to be home right now, but the weather was crazy out here, so I had to end up staying at the Hyatt next to JFK Hotel, which is connected to a DAG on casino. I didn't know. So I'm in this hotel right now, Debo.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Jimmy.

[Joe Hayden]

Rigging it off my phone, but I'm with my lady. We're still in New York. We're having a great time.

[James DeBo Harrison]

So that's where Sarah at, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Where's Sarah at the scenery Sarah downstairs. I told her, I know I can't have you in the little. In the room when I'm on my pod. I gotta just have me and Deebo here.

[James DeBo Harrison]

It's crazy.

[Joe Hayden]

She gonna be. She gonna be sitting there looking at me, like, saying stuff.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Listen, I need to say, hey, what's up?

[Tab Ramos]

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[James DeBo Harrison]

Like, holla at your boy, like, what you talking, man? Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

No, man, I had to send Sarah down, get some lunch, you know what I'm saying? All the time, Joe, man, I gave him my voucher. I gave him my voucher. She about to go hit the slot machines, you know what I'm saying? Might do a little blackjack down there.

[Tab Ramos]

So.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying? So she. She was like this. I'll be fine. I'm like, yeah, I bet you are gonna be fine.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Yeah. How much you need? She said about this much.

[Joe Hayden]

Literally. Debo, she gave me. Just fill up. Just fill up my fingers right here with a little wad. A little wider. That.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Fold it in, lay it flat.

[Joe Hayden]

Make it flat. De. I folded it. I double folded. I folded it, and then I folded it again just to try to make it thicker. I said, yep, that right there, about 750 with 20s and all in there. That got to do it for you.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Oh, man. Good job. Good job, man. Listen here. Thank you, brother. Happy anniversary, belated. All that good stuff again.

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Glad you had a good time, man. You say that was what, 12, 13 years?

[Joe Hayden]

13 years, Deebo.

[James DeBo Harrison]

13 years, man. 13 years. Look, looking forward to another 50 or 60 of them things, you know what I'm saying? Thank you. But, Deebo, I gotta tell you one

[Joe Hayden]

thing that happened, too. It was a little crazy. I need to stay on land. I need to stop doing all the dumb stuff.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Like, I be talking about what you do, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

I really realized it. So we are going from the Hamptons to. Then we're going from Manhattan to the Hamptons. So it's like two and a half hour drive, right? So everybody's like, oh, no, the traffic's gonna be crazy. It's like two and a half hours, maybe three hours. But there's a little blade service where you can get a little. Hell, where you can get. Where you can get a little. A little helicopter that could take you from Manhattan to the Hamptons. And it takes 30 minutes, right? So I say, oh, man. Yeah, we'll kill. We'll crush two hours of the time of the travel, okay? So the app is called Blade, Deebo. It's called Blade, and it could take you. So it's either a helicopter or a seaplane. Do you know what a seaplane is?

[James DeBo Harrison]

Yes, sir. I done did the seaplane. I did Alaska, remember?

[Joe Hayden]

I did not do the seaplane, Deebo. I did not know what a seaplane is. And I will never get on the damn seaplane again.

[James DeBo Harrison]

How we gonna go to Alaska then?

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no. Well, it must be better seaplanes out there than our seaplanes. Cause we had to take off and there's people in the water. So we get. And now that we're going, and we need. It's fourth of July, so it's boats all over the place. So we need a little bit, like, a longer way to take off. We start going to take off, and boats start coming. So we go up, and then we come back down. Boom. I'm like, oh, my God. Me and my old lady, we're like this. Oh, my goodness. Is this supposed to happen?

[James DeBo Harrison]

Hell, no.

[Joe Hayden]

Is this plane ever supposed to go up and come back down, Debo? We went up and came back down. So now I'm spooked. Me and my lady spooked. Long story short, 15, 10 minutes later, we found a little more Runway. We took off with the seaplane, and we made it right. The next day, Deebo, I see the seaplane done crashed, but everybody was okay. Everybody survived. All eight survivors. They had the thing for the people on the seaplane. Seaplane. It landed. It landed. And then the little wing came down. Nobody got hurt or nothing, but the same seaplane. My wife was like this, but my wife was like, baby, that was RC plane.

[James DeBo Harrison]

RC plane was.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't think it was. It's the same company. It was Blade. I'm like, I don't know how many seaplanes they have going from this place to the next place. I was like, babe. They probably got three planes. I'm gonna say babe. I told her, I think it's 50. 50. It was RC plane. She was like, you better give me 70.

[James DeBo Harrison]

30.

[Joe Hayden]

That was RC plane. I'm like, sir, I can't do that. But you might be right. I own them Seat D. Blow. I need to stay my ass on land. I be doing too much.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Listen, no more Blade for me.

[Joe Hayden]

List.

[James DeBo Harrison]

The problem with them seaplanes, man, is you need real pilots. So you got these pilots that come off these flights on, you know, like these. These jets and all that. Dude. You need a bush pilot dude. And that's what I need.

[Joe Hayden]

Somebody that knows how to fly their self.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Listen, they gotta be like. Like an expert in that dude, because you're talking about they moving three, four different parts. They doing this, they flipping this, they doing that. Yes. We have to adjust it. It ain't flying itself. Like, you do the jets.

[Joe Hayden]

No, it's not.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Do a clicker here. You play with the joystick here and all that other.

[Joe Hayden]

They got this. They got the pulling back.

[James DeBo Harrison]

They stopping to get the going. They going to. Man. I'm like. I'm looking at dude like, ooh, wee.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm like, are you about to pedal us into the air? Like, I'm thinking we instantly supposed to go. But he get to dropping the stuff in the middle. I'm like, oh, my goodness, what is everybody doing? So, yeah, that was crazy. That was crazy. But safe, good. Everything I just had.

[James DeBo Harrison]

How'd you get back, Joe? Did you take the plane back?

[Joe Hayden]

We sat in traffic for three and a half hours to get back over here depot. Are you kidding me? I'm not getting on no more seaplane. It was the most traffic in my life. We said, my wife. We sat. We were sitting there dead silent. We didn't move for. For 40 minutes in the traffic. So it said it was supposed to take us 2 hours and 30 minutes. It took us 3 hours and 30 minutes to get from the Hamptons back to JFK. But I didn't care. I was watching the Wire. I started cutting on TV shows. I'm sitting in that car like, babe, I mean, what do you want from me? Do you want. Do you remember. Do you remember what you look like in that seaplane? Okay, we're chilling. Watch the Wire with me right here. Like, you know what I'm saying? Did you miss Love Island? Like, get. Get on Peacock. We were chilling.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Do something. Do something. Listen, we ain't got time to complain. We living.

[Joe Hayden]

We're living.

[James DeBo Harrison]

We're living.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, my goodness.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Listen, listen, man. You gotta swim a lot of that plane, too. Once it crash, that's for sure. You gotta swat of that thing, too.

[Joe Hayden]

I know how to swim.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Only good thing is that you can hold on to it, because the whole thing ain't gonna sink.

[Joe Hayden]

The whole.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

They got. It's supposed to be able to just land on water, so you supposed to be safer.

[James DeBo Harrison]

He ain't know what he is doing, dude. And you got to hope that he, you know, they come in to do this.

[Joe Hayden]

Do the land. If they do the.

[James DeBo Harrison]

If they do the nose dive into the. Boom.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, oh. See, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And. But the crazy part was, Deebo, we just took off from. We took off from the water, and we landed on land.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Oh, they had one of them. They ain't have a real seaplane. They had us in between. See, dude, he wasn't the real. Y' all had that fake stuff, man. You ain't had a real, real, real C plane, man. I had the C plane, man, where I'm sitting up there in the front with him, and. And he working the joystick and all that. And I'm literally, like. Got my arm like this just to have room. So he working all that. I'm here. We in there tight. Joe. It was feeling good, too. I ain't gonna lie to you. It was feeling good. I realized that he was doing the thing.

[Joe Hayden]

He had.

[James DeBo Harrison]

He had the skills, man. I was looking at it. I was watching you, man.

[Joe Hayden]

He wasn't.

[James DeBo Harrison]

He wasn't flinching when the plane did a little bitty bop.

[Joe Hayden]

He just adjusted a little bit.

[James DeBo Harrison]

You know, this and that, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, he was doing that. He was a bush pilot. That's all he did.

[Joe Hayden]

So you felt comfortable.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Cause you already knew I felt comfortable, bro. And then they put us in the big one, and the big one had, like, eight seats in it. Six, eight seats in it. I was like, oh, Lord, this was good. Like, the one we had before, it was four seats now.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, no, four seats. We was in an eight seat, and

[James DeBo Harrison]

it was cats like me my size sitting in there.

[Joe Hayden]

See, not all.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Did y' all have to weigh y'? Allself.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, yeah, we did, but we only. We had an eight seater with four people in it. So they was trying to figure out my luggage could only be £25. Me and Sarah, our first time on the seaplane, we came with the tumi. We came with a whole luggage. They like, look, we go see, I didn't how many people on it. It was only four people on there. So we was able to bring our luggage. They like, ah, the weight distribution. Now I'm like, is it a Toomey that's bringing us down?

[James DeBo Harrison]

Listen, I don't know. Hey, listen. And you got to be like, okay, you got to sit here. You got to sit there. Like, I'm ahead, like. Cause that's what. Like, dude, like, it was crazy, bro. Like, I ain't gonna lie. It was good, though. It was good, brother. I'm glad you made it back safe, man. I'm glad you had the foresight to be like, you know what? We go. Go ahead and take this three hours. You know what I'm saying? Keep my ass. They Ain't flying right over there.

[Joe Hayden]

We almost drove from the Hamptons all the way back to Virginia. I'm like, I'm not getting on no more planes. I'm just going to get us there. You know what I'm saying? Listen, you can't.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Listen, you can't. You can't go that far now. Now you tripping, Joe. I know your travel arrangements always get messed up real bad. Joe. I'm trying to. I'm trying to figure out, like, I don't know why.

[Joe Hayden]

The weather, the weather, the weather. I mean, these planes be just canceling. Okay, I'm on the way. I'm on the way to the airport.

[James DeBo Harrison]

The weather knows. What the hell, you know, what the hell?

[Joe Hayden]

4:30 flight. I'm headed to the airport. Now you tell me I'm delayed till 6. 45. Now I'm almost there. Now you telling me I'm just canceling you.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Ooh, God. Come on now. We got 140 in the chat. 36 likes. Come on now. Get up then.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, man.

[James DeBo Harrison]

We gonna step on over here.

[Joe Hayden]

Survive the seaplane.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Yes, please. Like, like Joe's survival.

[Joe Hayden]

Like for Joe survival. Thank you. God damn.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Listen, every time Joe goes somewhere, man, we gotta sit there and pray, man. We gotta drop to our knees and make. Make sure that he get back, man. You need a prayer circle. Anytime Joe say he going somewhere, man. I'm telling you, y' all pray for Joe.

[Tom Boger]

He.

[James DeBo Harrison]

He's flying to Cleveland today,

[Tom Boger]

so.

[Joe Hayden]

Man, I'm flying back to Virginia later on today. I got a. I got a 4:40 flight back to the crib.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Okay, Is. Is Brian going to Cleveland with you or you, you going to Virginia? Where y' all going? You talked to him? Yeah, because I know he was in his closet. His closet. After you stole all this jersey, man, we going.

[Joe Hayden]

No, we're going to Virginia. I think hopefully when Braun hits me up and lets me know where I needed to land at, then, then I. I'm gonna let you know before everybody else know.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Okay? Okay, let me know.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I like.

[Tab Ramos]

This is Tab Ramos from inside American Soccer. And this summer, topgolf is turning into the ultimate soccer destination. They're not just throwing games on. In the background, topgolf is going all in on soccer. They've got a new soccer themed game you can play with your group. Special in venue activations, exclusive food and drink items inspired by the global game. And at more than 60 locations, they've even installed full size soccer goals so you can try to hit golf balls right into the net. And every match all summer long will be on throughout the venue. So it's a great place to watch with friends, hang out, compete a little bit and enjoy the atmosphere. And if you want to keep the fun going all summer, you can get the topgolf Summer Fun Pass, which lets you play every single day and bring up to five guests every visit. Get yours now at topgolf.com/fun pass. Summer hits different at Topgolf for adults

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[Hoda Kotb]

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[Hoda Kotb]

Olympic champ Shawn Johnson revealed one why she had no choice but to be a gymnast.

There was something about gymnastics that was intoxicating to me. It's given me a belief that we all have one of those treasures inside of us. We just have to find it.

Listen to Joy 101 with Hoda Kotb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Tom Boger]

American soccer is exploding.

[Tab Ramos]

The knockout rounds are here.

[Tom Boger]

The US Won their group. And now every match is win or go home.

[Joe Hayden]

Score.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Usa.

[Tab Ramos]

I'm Tapp Ramos.

[Tom Boger]

And I'm Tom Boger. On our podcast, Inside American Soccer, we'll talk about the real storylines.

[Tab Ramos]

I'm not worried about Pulisic. I'm not worried about Baligan. I'm not worried about McKinney. My only concern is what happens in the back.

[Tom Boger]

And give you the truth about the U.S. national team from inside the program,

[Tab Ramos]

it wouldn't be a huge surprise if our team ends up in the quarterfinals or potentially a great run into the semifinals. Whether you're a lifelong fan or this is your first World cup, we've got you covered.

[Joe Hayden]

Usa.

[Tom Boger]

Listen. Inside American Soccer with Tom Boger and Tab ramos on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Jonas Brothers]

Hey, everyone, it's the Jonas Brothers. If you haven't heard, our new podcast is called hey Jonas. And this week we're hanging out with someone we're really big fans of. Millie Bobby Brown. That's right, eleven herself. We talk about her new movie, Enola Holmes three family life and all the amazing things she has going on right now. This blew my mind when I saw this. Millie Bobby Brown, you have over 60 animals. First of all, how do you even keep track of everybody? And second, do you have favorites? Who are they and why? Yeah, I need to know about this.

[Hoda Kotb]

Okay.

I don't know where the number 60, and I really got to figure that out. And I could actually have over 60. I just need to really know that number. There have been plenty of sheep in my bed. And yeah, it's a big bed in the bed. Literally sleeping in the bed. Yeah.

[Jonas Brothers]

Plus, we find out what she really feels about stranger things ending five seasons, almost 10 years of your life.

[Hoda Kotb]

I could have never have guessed it. I started when I was 10 years old.

[Jonas Brothers]

Our conversation with Millie Bobby Brown is out now. Go check it out. Listen to hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Joe Hayden]

He ain't tell me yet.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Cause I know. I know. Tell your boy everything. And I just sit there and I just be like, yeah, I know it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you. You beo. I'm telling you. You a vault. You a vault.

[James DeBo Harrison]

You ain't going to let I try to tell you.

[Joe Hayden]

You ain't going to tell nobody. That's what. That's one thing I learned about you, bro. You ain't going to tell. You ain't going to tell them my business. You ain't going to tell them secret Nothing now.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Hey, that between you, me and God.

[Tab Ramos]

That's it.

[Tom Boger]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir. That's it.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Look here, Aaron Rodgers, okay? Mike McCarthy's offense, he said. Aaron Rodgers said, Mike McCarthy's offense is all about quarterback timing. Roger said he knew exactly what he needs to do in McCarthy's system. And it's about having. It's about him having his timing down with his teammates. He said, it's just the next generation of the west coast offense. It was kind of. It went kind of Bill Wash to kind of like Mike was doing with Paul Hackett, and then it kind of grew from there. From a real fundamental level, it's all about the quarterback's timing. I spent 13 years in Mike McCarthy's offense. He changed some stuff when he was in Dallas. Am I getting an echo? He changed some stuff when he was in Dallas. It's stuff that we used to run, but he just called it something different now. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Now look here, I got another one for you, though. Former quarterback, former NFL quarterback Rich gannon On Mike McCarthy, he said this. He said, I really feel like. He said, I really feel, looking back, like I wasted the first seven years in the league. I'm not going to criticize other coaches, but if I had someone like Mike. He's talking about Mike McCarthy in the first half of my career, it would have been a lot different. He just made me a lot better player. Mike just took it to another level. He said, I was almost 30 years old before I learned how to prepare for a week of football. I had blinders on for the first seven years. I wasn't exposed to that type of preparation. I owe a lot to him. The attention to details was like nothing I had ever seen. He's hurt. He's head and shoulders above everyone else. Look here, man, what do you feel? How.

[Joe Hayden]

What do you.

[James DeBo Harrison]

What's your anticipation, man, of what you think that we're going to get from this, from this offense, from Mike McCarthy's offense? And how do you see then improvement or no improvement? Like, what do you see? What is your anticipation of seeing from our offense?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm anticipating our offense being a lot better, light years better, honestly. I just think as far as discipline wise, us being able to establish the run game, and then with Aaron Rodgers being able to hit our receivers as far as Pittman, D.K. metcalf and our big tight ends with fire, move and Mount Washington, I think it's going to be a balance to slip. Everybody's going to be able to execute on a high level where we're coming in and out of the huddle. We're actually having people off balance. Everybody knows what we're doing. Nobody's jumping off sides. So just when we see. When I look at Aaron Rodgers and I looked at Green Bay in the way. Offense was never the problem. They were always political offense, scoring points, running down the field. Dak Prescott Dallas Cowboys have always had an amazing offense. Being able to score points and move the ball and be able to do that. If our offense with the players that we have is disciplined and we're able to take those shots, being able to stay ahead of the sticks with our run game, being able to take advantage of Mount Washington and fire, move and in the slots, our offense is going to be unbelievable. So I think that with Aaron Rodgers being able to be that, be still be the quarterback with everything above the neck when Tom Brady, when he's older, quarterbacks, you don't have to be fast or quick or run around. You need to be smart. You need to know where you're going. The execution of defenses are defense but when you know what somebody's going to do when you're undressing them with your emotions and just being in a comfortable state, you're in attack mode, you're not worried about kind of what they're doing, they're trying to play on what you're doing. So I'm thinking with our offense, if we can just get run game established, we're not self inflicted wounds, no pre stat penalties, we're ahead of the sticks. It's just look, no turnovers. Aaron Rodgers not throwing over the ball. We're not just fumbling the rock. If they do get us off, we punt the ball and our defense goes out there gets us in good field position. We play field position games, kick field goals when we need them. It's just going to be execution. I see it being at a very high level. When we talk about timing, that's everything. The receivers need to be at the right spot at the right time with the quarterback. Everybody's on the same page. You're not just working on this slant, you got to get off that slant because he expects you to be somewhere in a certain time you marry none of that juicing on the line. No get to your spot because the ball is going to be there. So I'm just. When they're saying things, it's. Coaches make players so much better because you could already be a great player but your coach is going to put you in a position to win and actually help you out like Some coaches don't. There's nothing that you can give me as some cornerback coaches that I had, it's like, okay, you can tell me what to play, but, like, what's my man that played the old safety that played corner Coach Cartwright. Coach, what's this? The corner he played. He was the. He played for the Steelers, and he was my coach, my first coach, his son.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Oh, you talking about Lake.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, Lake. Lake.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Talking about Cornwall.

[Joe Hayden]

Lake.

[James DeBo Harrison]

If.

[Joe Hayden]

If compared to Lake and not Dyson, but compared to Scrap, I'm getting knowledge to where he's helping me out. I got all the game I got, but, like, damn, he's putting me in a position where, boom. Joe, look at this. When you see this, three by one, he's giving me nuggets of game that other coaches just may not know, you know? So I'm like, Mike McCarthy, you've been in here for a long time. You know, nuggets. So now you and A Rod, y' all are talking the same language. You're telling your offensive players, everybody in this. Oh, the whole O line, the running backs, the linebacker, I mean, the tight ends, everybody knows where we need to be, what we need to do. We're. We're moving to the same drum. So I'm just loving everybody on the same page. And if they can do that, then, yes, Mike McCarthy, you're going to have our offense looking like it was when you were in Green Bay scoring points when you were in Dallas with Dak Prescott.

[James DeBo Harrison]

You.

[Joe Hayden]

The offense with him always look good.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Yeah, Joe. This is what I'm gonna do, Joe. I'm gonna go back to. To that. To that Rich Gannon. Okay, now. Okay. Mike McCarthy coached Rich Gannon. He was the quarterbacks coach, I believe, from 95 to 98 in Kansas City. So that was seven years into his career, as he said. And with him, with Gannon, you know, crediting, you know, Mike McCarthy with basically getting him to play and understand basically defenses, film study, preparation, you know, mentality of just playing the quarterback position.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James DeBo Harrison]

And then in. What was it? 20? 2001, 2002. Sorry, 2002, that man was NFL MVP. Gannon was NFL. Like, so again, it goes to, you know, what, you know, Roger said, like, you know, it's an advantage of being in Mike McCarthy system is that you have to get to the line of scrimmage with plenty of time on the play clock so that you can read the covers, you can communicate with your receivers, you communicate with your O line. You can make your audibles. You know, I feel like, that is something that, if you go back to last year when you and I were talking and we found out that the receivers couldn't read the defense, like, we couldn't believe that, bro. We're sitting there like that, like, how is that possible? That's like, when you play defense and you get the shallow crosser coming across and you go and you take it and you bite the cheese and you hit down on that crosser, they go, hit that deep crosser right behind you,

[Joe Hayden]

that dig right behind you.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Right. Like you're taught that. You know what I'm saying? Like, you have to be taught that to understand that. And when it's, you know, an inability of your receivers to read coverage, it's going to handicap your offense and it's going to handicap the quarterback, you know?

[Tom Boger]

Yeah.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Matter of fact, I ended up calling Ben and I'm like, hey, Ben, like, if your receivers can't read coverage or defense, like, how much does that hurt you? And he's like, you know, depending on, you know, different things, he's like, it can be detrimental. And then he's like, sometimes it don't matter because of, you know, whatever it's called. And how many times did we, you know, hear the, you know, where the quarterback is, like, the receiver just. We just looked at each other. Why? Yeah, A, you could look where he's like, yo, you see what I see? Because you're reading what I'm reading. I'm go hit you. And you keep going. But if your receivers can't read the defense and aren't being coached how to read it, you lose the ability to improvise and add another dimension to your offense. Dude, like, and this is what he's talking about. Like, it's timing based. And now it's in a premium on mental processing, which means it's a premium on what? Coaching. And now it's not just physical talents. The players can have the talent all they want, but if they aren't mentally capable, the player, he can't get it done because sometimes he's not being coached how to get it done. You can have the best players in the world and if they don't know what they're doing or how to do it, they go look average. And I believe with the improvements McCarthy has made on the coaching staff, okay, we are going to see a greater improvement with success on our offense because Aaron Rodgers has a great understanding of the offense and now it has to be taught to the other guys so that they have a greater understanding and through working together the OTAs, you know, coming into training camp to get to work, they get to work on that timing, okay? You get to get an understanding and knowledge of everything else that he has. And now you get that look because you have players that can actually read what's going on. And you know, I'm not gonna lie, dude. I'm. I'm kind of, kind of excited to see how this rolls out. You know what I'm saying? And when you think about it, dude, like Pittman. Go ahead. I think Pittman, I think Pittman could have the best year that he's had so far because he's a great route runner. He is a, he uses his body for positioning. He's a great, like in traffic, he can catch that ball with his hands, you know, and he can read defense because he can find soft spots in zone coverage. When you're in zone coverage, your receivers, they can't keep running the same route they're supposed to run. They got to sit down because all

[Joe Hayden]

you're going to do is cross one zone, find that hole in the zone, sit down.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Yeah. And then again, as you said, the usage of Friarmouth, especially compared to what it was last year, that's going to go up. You add Washington to that, you add Mount Washington to that. And then because of those two, three guys right there, I think DK go have a good year as well now because you get him to get those, you know, those free one on one deep ball opportunities that allow him to use his strength, his speed.

[Tab Ramos]

Yes.

[James DeBo Harrison]

His size over them DBs, keys that's trying to cover him. How he, man handling one handed them all that. Like, dude, I'm like, I'm. I'm excited to see how.

[Joe Hayden]

Super excited about it because like you said too, this the thing. Once they get into that film room and they start studying the tape, they gotta know what's going on. Because if they're out there thinking that's when you start moving slow. Like, you gotta know, because that's what the guesswork is like, oh, no. Am I sure that this is what I need to be doing? No, no, no. We need to know what you're doing immediately because that's how you play fast. Like when you know what you're doing. You see dudes running around quick. When you see somebody take that little hesitation step, because it's like, I don't believe I know exactly where I'm going. So I'm still like, move around with a question mark. I'm like, no, no, no, we need you to know where we're going check in with a rod.

[Hoda Kotb]

Boom.

[Joe Hayden]

And now we're hitting it. You know what I'm saying? Like that extra, that little slack, that slow step. No, no, no. We need y' all to know.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Yes. We need you to know. We need you to be coached to know what it is that you got to do so that when you get out there, it's done. It's not, oh, go out there and ball out. No motivation ain't gonna do that a damn thing for me. I need knowledge. I need understanding.

[Joe Hayden]

I need you to execute.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Yes. Like, come on, baby. That's what we need. Look here. I'm excited for it. Also, Actuari Stadium has gotten a new grass surface. Precision turf announced on Wednesday that It's installing Tomahawk 31 Bermuda. Bermuda grass. Okay, okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That. Bermuda. Got you.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Yeah. Earlier. Earlier this year, Steelers arter Stillers owner Art Rooney II acknowledged that the grass field, which drew an F minus in the annual NFLPA report cards, was. Would be replaced. He also left a door open to potentially switch to artificial surface. And the new version doesn't perform as intended. If the new version doesn't perform as intended, Joe. Joseph, what do you think of this? Do you think it will help? What do you think the changing of this would do?

[Joe Hayden]

Is this Bermuda grass? Debo, please. Is that regular grass?

[James DeBo Harrison]

That's the stuff that I believe is on golf course. You should know that, right, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, yeah. I mean, yeah, Joe, here's.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Here's the problem here. Here, let me stop.

[Joe Hayden]

You still wear cleats. Can you still wear cleats on that?

[James DeBo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Here's the problem. I got you. I got you.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Here's the problem, please. The biggest issue that we have is that it's too many games played on that surface, period. I don't care how many times you change the surface of that. It's not going to work. It's going to get terrible in that stadium because you have pit playing on that surface, you have us playing on that surface, and then you have the high school playoff games playing on that surface in November. Okay? So when you look at it, you got what they say, 25 games or more that are playing on that surface, and that's before we even get to the playoffs. Okay? So six months, you're saying you're talking about an average of six months, 25, something about an average of a game a week. Right? Okay. When that breaks down, it's not. It don't. It don't seem bad. It don't seem bad. But Some of these games are played back to back. Now you add into it weather, okay, weather, rain. You're trying, you're talking about a surface that in like good conditions. Like, you know, like, like, like, like Carolina, like, like Florida type conditions. When you play on that surface as a football team, NFL football team, it's seven days. It could be anywhere. It could be short as three, they said, but as long as seven. For the recovery of the grass, because grass needs time to recover, just like the players. It's real, it's alive, it's growing and that's in good weather. You're talking about August, you know, September, you know, October, early October. That's in good weather. Now you add into that bad weather, which we have a bunch of. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, for sure.

[James DeBo Harrison]

And it could take up to three to six weeks though, or longer if you have to actually resod the surface, which we do a lot of resoding to try and change the surface. So that.

[Tab Ramos]

This is Tab Ramos from inside American Soccer. And this summer, topgolf is turning into the ultimate soccer destination. They're not just throwing games on in the background. Topgolf is going all in on soccer. They've got a new soccer themed game you can play with your group, Special in venue activations, exclusive food and drink items inspired by the global game and at more than 60 locations. They've even installed full size soccer goals so you can try to hit golf balls right into the net. And every match all summer long will be on throughout the venue. So it's a great place to watch with friends, hang out, compete a little bit and enjoy the atmosphere. And if you want to keep the fun going all summer, you can get the topgolf Summer Fun Pass which lets you play every single day and bring up to five guests every visit. Get yours [e-mail] FunPass Summer hits different at TopGolf.

[Podcast Host / Advertiser]

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[Hoda Kotb]

tremphyaradio.com hey, I'm Hoda Kotb, host of the podcast Joy 101 with Hoda Kotb. Okay, if you know me, you know this. I'm always searching for inspiration, for support and useful tools to help maximize joy. So this podcast lets us uncover all of that together. We're gonna have these meaningful conversations with the world's most fascinating people. Like when actress Olivia Munn shared how she overcame fierce health challenges that she never saw coming.

[Podcast Host / Advertiser]

I've gone through breast cancer and then helped my my mother through breast cancer and that was more difficult. There's a lot of people who understand postpartum depression. I was not prepared for postpartum anxiety.

[Hoda Kotb]

Olympic champ Shawn Johnson revealed why she had no choice but to be a gymnast.

There was something about gymnastics that was intoxicating to me. It's given me a belief that we all have one of those treasures inside of us. We just have to find it.

Listen to Joy 101 with Hoda Kotb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Tom Boger]

American soccer is exploding.

[Tab Ramos]

The knockout rounds are here.

[Tom Boger]

The US Won their group, and now every match is win or go home.

[Joe Hayden]

Score

[James DeBo Harrison]

usa.

[Tab Ramos]

I'm Tapp Ramos.

[Tom Boger]

And I'm Tom Boger. On our podcast Inside American Soccer, we'll talk about the real storyline.

[Tab Ramos]

I'm not worried about Pulisic. I'm not worried about Baligan. I'm not worried about McKinney. My only concern is what happens in the back.

[Tom Boger]

And give you the truth about the U.S. national team from inside the program.

[Tab Ramos]

It wouldn't be a huge surprise if our team ends up in the quarterfinals or potentially a great run into the semifinals. Whether you're a lifelong fan or this is your first World cup, we've got you Cup.

[Tom Boger]

Listen Inside American Soccer with Tom Boger and Tav ramos on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Jonas Brothers]

Hey everyone, it's the Jonas Brothers. If you haven't heard, our new podcast is called hey Jonas. And this week we're hanging out with someone we're really big fans of. Millie Bobby Brown. That's right, eleven herself. We talk about her new movie, Enola Holmes three family life and all the amazing things she has going on right now. This blew my mind when I saw this. Millie Bobby Brown, you have over 60 animals. First of all, how do you even keep track of everybody? And second, do you have favorites? Who are they and why? Yeah, I need to know about this.

[Podcast Host / Advertiser]

Okay.

[Hoda Kotb]

I don't know where the number 60 and I've really got to figure that out. And I could actually have over 60. I just need to really know that number. There have been plenty of sheep in my bed. And yeah, it's a big bed in the bed. Literally sleeping in the bed. Yeah.

[Jonas Brothers]

Plus, we find out what she really feels about stranger things ending five seasons, almost 10 years of your life.

[Hoda Kotb]

I could have never have guessed it. I started when I was 10 years old.

[Jonas Brothers]

Our conversation with Millie Bobby Brown is out now. Go check it out. Listen to hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get

[James DeBo Harrison]

your podcasts, it has something to grip onto. Now, when you get into. What is that? That November timeframe where you got all these high school games played on this surface, okay, the recovery time is limited. And on top of that, you got bad weather, it's November. Then you get into, what is it, December and January. They said the grass in that time, because of the weather, it's not even growing. They said it's dormant for the most part. So you're saying, you know, the damaged areas usually won't regrow until the spring, bro. And that's why they rely on replacing sod rather than waiting for it to recover. Because it won't recover till the spring. Until the Steelers have their own stadium that only they play in, this will be a problem. It will continue to be a problem. Hell, and that don't even add the other events that they have at the stadium, the concerts.

[Hoda Kotb]

Right?

[James DeBo Harrison]

It's not. It's not going to get any better. It's always good early in the year. And then as you get through the year, you start changing from your little speed cleats to your seven studs. You start changing from your seven stud half inch to your. To your 23 quarter inch.

[Joe Hayden]

Damn. Yep.

[James DeBo Harrison]

And you just digging in dirt.

[Joe Hayden]

Why?

[James DeBo Harrison]

Because everybody is tearing up the field. It's not having time to recover because there's too many things going on on the field. There's too many people playing on the field, and the field hasn't got time to recover. Playing and going to a artificial turf surface, that's the best thing as far as their usability of it. But as far as the health and safety of the players. It should be grass.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Break it down. It's simple. You gotta be able to have it to where it's just one team playing in there. Pittsburgh Steelers. We shouldn't be staring stadiums with a college team and all the high school teams, plus every other event that you got going on in there. You may be able to get away with the events that you got going on in there. You know what I'm saying? But you can't have that going on. You got 10, 12 games going on a week in November because of all these high school playoff games. And that's when it's the worst. Like, dude, we had a game where the ball just stuck into the ground when we was playing, bro. They tried to reside it, bro. We was playing against Miami, punt just went boom. Half the ball was in the ground, the other half was sticking out. Straight up.

[Joe Hayden]

Deebo, you just speaking straight facts. Because the beginning of the season always starts. The fields are immaculate because the weather's good. You know what I'm saying? And then you start playing. And then once you start to get around the, like, December, these fields are trashed. And like you said, too, when people keep playing on it, it takes time for it to recover. When you start bringing out those seven studs towards the end of the season, you're not lying. I play corner and I would have to bring out them seven studs because I'm like, what I'm not going to do is slip because the grabs is everybody you're. You're playing in, some of these spots are like dirt. You know what I'm saying? So if it's a money, some of

[James DeBo Harrison]

it is actually sprayed green at times. You done seen it where it's sprayed green. You're like, dude, that's dirt on top of that.

[Joe Hayden]

No, that's dirt right there.

[James DeBo Harrison]

That's dirt.

[Joe Hayden]

No, for sure, for sure. It is a fact of. We know, like, if it's too many people playing on the fields like that, that's what messes it up.

[James DeBo Harrison]

It's a living, breathing surface. It needs time to recover from what we're doing to it. And when you have multiple sports, especially the number that we have going on, you cannot give it the time that's necessary. It needs to be one team playing on it. Pitt needs to find their own place, or the Steelers need to find their own place. This high school teams need to find somewhere else to do what they're doing. If we're going to have a surface that is dedicated to the player safety of the NFL players, which it should be.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep, I'm with you a thousand percent. We got to find a way to do it because like you said, when they. If it's a money. It's a money thing too, Debo. When they're using those for like other events. So that's how I'm like, I understand it, but if we're always talking about, end of the day, you want the best product, because the main thing is, the main thing, if you really want it, like it's the football stadium for the Pittsburgh Steelers, so you want them to have the prime surface to be able to play on it all the time. So, you know, if that does mean Pitt, that's a big college, we need to get you a stadium. You know what I'm saying? Like the high school games, the state championship, we could do one in there. Like, that's, that's, that's okay.

[James DeBo Harrison]

But like, I don't think we should do that either. I don't think we should do that either. I think they should, they should go ahead and use that at Pitt stadium.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. Yes. If Pitt had. If Pitt has to. Pitts get a stadium for sure.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Right, Right. You take, you get a stadium for Pitt for them by themselves. You take all that extra stuff away. And, and, and if you want to still be able to use the service to, you know, do other things, then you, you can find a way to try and put things down to protect it or whatever it may be.

[Joe Hayden]

Pit might got to do turf.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Hey, like I said, I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know. Something got to give. Something got to give.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Listen, so something got to give, man. Hey, it's about player safety, man. You need just get two grass fields, man. You know what I'm saying? I don't. I mean, I'm making it so difficult, Debo.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. Everybody acting like they don't have no

[James DeBo Harrison]

bread for no grass. I mean, and like I said, I can see like high school level and all that. It's a big difference between trying to take care of a high school field and what you're doing there and all that other stuff. I can see, I can see, I can see turf on that. But make sure you get good quality turf. Nothing that's go, you know, be detrimental, you know, to the kids health. I can understand that. But you're talking about professional athletes, you're talking about billion dollar corporations, and we're talking about playing on the turf to save, you know, a couple hundred thousand or a couple million dollars. And you're talking about. You're making Billions. Stop it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. The turf for high schools and colleges. I mean, I mean the high schools. That's because just wear and tear. It's going to be. It'll last a lot longer than.

[James DeBo Harrison]

It'll last a lot longer.

[Joe Hayden]

Be able to go take care of the. Take care of the grass to keep it the way. But like we're talking about NFL, these groundskeepers, that's what they do. They're professionals to keep this grass perfect.

[James DeBo Harrison]

For sure, brother. For sure. Let's go on over here to Cleveland, man. Because it's an NFL scout that predicts Browns to start Shador Sanders in Week 1. NFL Scout said Cleveland needs to figure out what it has in Sanders. They already know what Watson is and it hasn't been good. Even if he were to bounce back from the Achilles injury, Watson isn't a long term option for the Browns. Personally, I think Shador would give. Would be given the starting job. They are going to need to make a decision in the 2027 NFL Draft about whether or not they need to pursue a quarterback. Given Shador, giving Sanders a full season will be the best way to figure out that answer. Joseph?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, brother.

[James DeBo Harrison]

What do you. What do you think it is. What do you think about the. The prediction by an NFL scout?

[Joe Hayden]

The prediction of he. That he's saying is a prediction that I would. That. That I want it to happen. My most likely scenario. Why?

[James DeBo Harrison]

Why would you want that to happen, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Why would I? Yeah, Because I think that I know Deshaun Watson. I don't. He's not the future for the Cleveland Browns. We drafted Shador Sanders last season. Dylan Gabriel also. We had him. Dylan Gabriel had his chance to play. I don't think he's going to be a starting quarterback in this league.

[James DeBo Harrison]

So.

[Joe Hayden]

So now we have Shador Sanders. He looked like there's a potential for him in my opinion to be a starting quarterback. So now with the new pieces that we have on this team, let's in the. In the line. Let's give him a valid shot with the new coach to see if he's going to be the guy or we need to go move on and get another quarterback in the future. Because I know desean isn't going to be the one right now. I know because from what we heard.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Well, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. Early on you said you thought DeShawn would be the starter, though.

[Joe Hayden]

Because I'm saying because of the owner and because of they evalu because they invested the money into him. If it's me, I've always said from my perspective, I wanted Shador Sanders to be the starter quarterback. But if DeShawn Watson is the starter quarterback, I'm rooting for him. I want the best. And I know why they're doing it because they owe him a lot of. Because they paid him a whole lot of money and they want to get something out of their investment. And hopefully if he's healthy, he's been doing everything the right way so they would want to give him the shot. That's what I'm seeing for me. I'm rocking with Shador still because he's younger. We've already given desean the money. He's already been out there to give us the opportunity to see what he can do. He hasn't. Wasn't playing that well, in my opinion. So now I'm going to go with my younger, cheaper quarterback to see what

[James DeBo Harrison]

about wanting to win? What if he gives you a better opportunity to win now?

[Joe Hayden]

You know that's what I'm saying during training camp, I'm thinking that Shadora, I

[James DeBo Harrison]

mean, not Shadora, sorry, I'm talking about Watson.

[Joe Hayden]

You think he'd give a better chance to win?

[James DeBo Harrison]

What if he gives you a better opportunity to win now? You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm looking at it. We still have training camp. They're still in a legitimate quarterback battle. I'm hearing what people are saying sometimes, like desean is, oh, you're hearing good from him one day. Then you're hearing that Shador may be playing a lot, playing better. So it's just, you know how that goes. We still got training camp. We still have off. I mean, what's it called? Off season. Not what's a preseason game.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Preseason. So training camp.

[Joe Hayden]

They both. Training camp and preseason. So they both have to go out there and still play and perform. And I'm thinking if Shador still is doing how I think, getting better in the pocket, making better decisions, knowing what's going on, knowing the whole entire offense being being really in tuned, I'm thinking that he's going to come out there and perform and maybe beat him out in training camp and in preseason. So if this happens, I think Shador will be the starting quarterback and then we're going to see if that's going to be the. If he's going to be the quarterback for the future. Like give him a real shot with a real line with real weapons and a coach Monkin, that's a good coach. Let's see that believes in him. That said that he would have drafted him Before, So let me see what's going on, and then I can really give a good chance to be like Shador. Okay. No, you're doing good, you're doing bad. You're throwing these picks. I can really get a chance to evaluate him. With talent around him, with a good team and reps like now, I don't have no excuse for Shador not to look good. If he's making these passes, if he's just spinning around in the pocket taking unnecessary sacks, that's on you, Shador. Wow. I'm gonna be like, dang. Take a step back. You got some groaning, you know what I'm saying? So I'm gonna be able to watch the tape and see what's going on. But from last season with the team that we had and the weapons that he was playing with, I don't want to give him another shot with some fresh weapons, with a coach that believes in him, and let's go see what he can do, because it was only his first. His rookie season, one year, you know what I'm saying? Now you got an offseason. Rookie season is a big time. You're quarterback now. You're learning. You did everything you had to do during offseason. Let me see what you can do. So that's where I'm at with. I think that Shador can do it. I think he will win the job. But if. If they were to end up to go with desean, it would have to be because he obviously won the job. And they. I think

[James DeBo Harrison]

so for me, personally, the way y' all are moving, in my mind, as the GM or the head coach, I would vocally say that it's a competition. Okay. I would. I would put that out there because I don't want anybody thinking.

[Joe Hayden]

I think Monkey Monkey said that.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Right? That's what. That's what I would do. But.

[Joe Hayden]

But.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Okay, here's. Here's. Here's. Here's where I'm. I'm at with the whole. Shador being the starter. I'm cool with giving him opportunity, but I'm reverse back to. To the thought process of where I'm going with it is that building for the future. Okay? And that's what you guys are supposed to be trying to do. So when they first came out with this, Watson is in the lead for being the starting quarterback. That made no sense to me unless they were trying to motivate Shador. Now, that would make sense if you want to put that out there to motivate him to try and get some Drive into him. Because he ain't the kind of dude that's gonna curl up into a ball when the shit gets heavy. He gonna go ahead. He gonna go out there and he gonna produce. So I can understand that concept. But again, you are building for the future, so you have to see what you have. That's the whole reason you traded Miles Garrett, is so that you can start building, get draft picks for the future. So why are you trying to, you know, hold on to a quarterback that, you know, no matter what happens, you're not going to pay him again next year, no matter what level he plays at this year. Unless he goes mvp, which you already said he is not without saying that he's not. Because you said you don't have a clear starter going into training camp. So unless you're going to start doing round things in Browning, in the process of making your decisions, you have to give one of these young guys, starting with Shador. You gave Dillon his starting with Shador and maybe even the other quarterback. I told you. What is it? Green over there giving him an opportunity to see what it is that he can do. I just don't see Watson being the person that they should even give a chance to. Because you're building for the future, and the future is not him, no matter what happens with him. So why would I give him that opportunity unless I'm just trying to get some motivation out of my younger guys to drive them hard? That's what. That's just what I'm thinking.

[Joe Hayden]

Deebo, I think we, me and you on the same page. I'm hoping at the same time, desean, being a coach, if he's looking good, he's looking solid. You never want to knock down somebody that you have on your roster. So if, hey, good backup.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Good veteran backup up.

[Joe Hayden]

Good veteran backup.

[Hoda Kotb]

It's.

[Joe Hayden]

It's competition. It's valid competition. So I think it's a really legit quarterback competition. But what you're saying is correct. We're building for the future. We got rid of Miles, we drafted a quarterback in the draft, and he actually won three games out of four fours. So now let's see if we. Let's. Let's see if he is the one. Because if not, we already are planning for the future. Let's see if this quarterback is our future quarterback or he's not. Because we know DeShawn Watson isn't. Because just we already gave him the bag. And no matter. Kind of 2:30, it's already gone. I know they don't want to do that again. They're not going back through that ship. So let's see who we have on our roster. Shador and then Green. But I'm thinking it should let. Let him play. Let's see. Let's see how it goes.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Yeah, I'm. You know, now I'm. You know, like I said, I'm a thought process, you know, I'm back. I'm back. I'm back looking at it again. I'm like, yo, they. They gassing everything up. They gassing everything up, man. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe Barry is just gassing it up to try and get the best out of Shadora. Oh, you might be traded. They talking about trade and all this other stuff, you know what I'm saying? All this. They ain't never really talked about. Hey, I just need to put some noise out there, you know what I'm saying? Just. Yeah, just in case, you know what I'm saying? Because, you know, ain't nobody about to pick up that contract for Watson, you know what I'm saying? Maybe I'll give him some little motivation, make him think he about to get up out of here, you know what I'm saying? You got to come in here and win this thing. I'm putting you in a spot where. You got to come in here and training camp and make sure you. You put your best foot forward.

[Joe Hayden]

I can't wait.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James DeBo Harrison]

It's gonna be. It's gonna be nice to see. But y' all still. Y' all still gonna be. You sitting, you know, dead last. I ain't gonna. You know, I ain't gonna lie to you about it, you know, but that's just, you know, that's the way. That's the way week. That's the way it is.

[Joe Hayden]

But we gonna see.

[James DeBo Harrison]

Brick by brick, y' all gonna be getting.

[Joe Hayden]

We're gonna break down that division every single week. What are. What are the standings?

[James DeBo Harrison]

I'm trying to tell you. We're gonna be one Pittsburgh. Stella's gonna be one in everything. Everything, Joe. Everything. Listen to me.

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[Joe Hayden]

I like the Stillers to be one. Brown's gonna be right around. Yep, right in there.

[James DeBo Harrison]

What's right in there?

[Joe Hayden]

Huh?

[James DeBo Harrison]

What's right in there, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

We in there.

[Tom Boger]

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[James DeBo Harrison]

We in There you go.

[Joe Hayden]

See, I wanna. Look, I'm not. I know you're gonna be in. I'm not trying to put too much on my dog your door right now. I know. He just. He's just training. I'm trying to have us come from, you know, what I'm saying when nobody's expecting us. So that's why I'm just going. You know what I'm saying?

[Tom Boger]

I got you.

[James DeBo Harrison]

I got you, Joe. I got you though.

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[James DeBo Harrison]

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[Tom Boger]

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[James DeBo Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James DeBo Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

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