Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Rodgers waiting for pay day? Lamar reports to Ravens workouts, Burrow's Flag Dreams

Summary

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Episode: Deebo & Joe - Part 1

Date: April 7, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (“Ocho”)
Guests/Co-hosts: Deebo Harrison & Joe Hayden

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into hot topics and debates around the latest NFL headlines with Deebo and Joe. The hosts offer unfiltered and lively takes on Aaron Rodgers’ contract situation, Lamar Jackson attending Ravens workouts, Joe Burrow’s (risky?) flag football ambitions, and a slate of NFL QB controversies. The discussion mixes serious football insights with plenty of humor, locker-room banter, and personal stories, making it engaging for football fans and insiders alike.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Joe Hayden’s Flag Football Coaching Adventure

Timestamps: 02:39 – 07:25

• Joe Hayden talks about his commitment to coaching his son's flag football team, emphasizing fairness and merit over nepotism.
  • “My dad was honest with me about if somebody was better than me... Honesty is the best policy.” (03:36)
  • Joe notes that his philosophy is all about discipline, hard work, and listening—no exceptions for the coach’s kid.
• Deebo jokes about classic youth coaching controversies (starters being chosen for being the coach’s child).
• Joe’s coaching style is influenced by what he admired (and disliked) in his sons’ previous coaches.
  • “I gotta come out there and coach and just do it the way that Jet’s coach is doing it.” (05:38)
• Banter about team colors (Steelers vs Browns), and Joe’s deep connection to Cleveland.

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2. Aaron Rodgers’ Contract Saga

Timestamps: 07:25 – 14:29

• The hosts debate whether Aaron Rodgers is stalling on re-signing with the Steelers to increase his payday, especially in light of Kirk Cousins’ recent big deal.
• Joe Hayden’s take:
  • Rodgers isn’t in a rush; he’s financially set and will move on his own timeline.
    • “Aaron Rodgers, he’s chilling…he could cruise…walk away if he wants to.” (07:58)
• Deebo: Believes Rodgers does care about the money and that the Steelers are waiting for his answer before making any real offer.
  • “That does give Aaron…a little more leverage or may need to be…paid more compensated… But that’s not going to give him any more power.” (09:35)
  • Steelers expect an answer by the draft, but won’t overpay: “We’re not going to tempt him to come back because we have a price so high that ain’t nobody gonna turn down.” (11:54)
• Both agree the current process is a standoff: team is ready to move forward with young QB Will Howard if Rodgers doesn’t commit in time.

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3. Deshaun Watson vs. Shador Sanders: Browns QB Battle

Timestamps: 17:45 – 23:48

• Tim Hasselbeck’s take discussed: Watson doesn’t have a real shot due to injuries and lost credibility.
• Joe:
  • Favors Shador Sanders as QB1, arguing Watson’s skills (especially running) have declined after multiple severe injuries.
    • “His thing was he could run...now coming off two fresh Achilles, those aren’t no joke.” (19:16)
  • Advocates for the Browns to build around Shador and his development.
    • “I would start off with Shador at 1000%. He’s leading off. He’s the team.” (20:58)
• Deebo:
  • Agrees Shador’s job to lose; Watson would have to look like his old pre-injury self to even challenge.
    • “I don’t see him being able to get much better than what his last performance was…I see it declining.” (23:12)
  • Frustration over Watson’s contract and lack of return on investment.

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4. Joe Burrow and Flag Football

Timestamps: 23:48 – 30:36

• Discussion of Joe Burrow playing (and competing hard) in flag football events, and the risk involved.
• Deebo’s change of heart:
  • Originally supported Burrow playing; changed mind after seeing Burrow actually make aggressive runs and dodges.
    • “I am infinity percent against him playing in anything else but NFL quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers.” (25:33)
• Joe:
  • Explains why top-paid franchise QBs shouldn’t risk injury outside of NFL games.
    • “How crazy would we be looking…if Joe Burrow were to get out there and tear something up?” (26:07)
  • Notes that contracts often prohibit risky activities for a reason.
• Deebo closes with humor:
  • Recruitment pitch for Burrow to come to Pittsburgh for protection—and to “love the game again.”
  • “All I want is you to love the game again.” (29:49)

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5. Lamar Jackson Attends Ravens Offseason Program

Timestamps: 30:54 – 39:50

• The hosts dissect the “major news” that Lamar showed up for early Ravens OTAs under new coaching.
• Deebo:
  • Sees it as Jackson being professional, leading by example, but jokes about trying to stoke Lamar’s ego to get him to leave (as a Steelers fan).
  • “I tried my best to speak to Lamar’s ego about them expecting him to be there. Obviously it didn’t work.” (34:48)
• Joe:
  • Applauds Lamar’s leadership, emphasizing value for team chemistry.
    • “If you want to be the best that we can be, you going to come in here early and get it done. And Lamar’s showing that he wants to get it done.” (37:10)
  • Suggests Jackson’s attendance could also be positioning for his next contract.
    • “He wants a new deal…Lamar’s in there trying to show him, look, I scratch your back, you scratch my back.” (38:59)
• Both lament that Lamar’s professionalism makes it tougher for rivals like Pittsburgh and Cleveland.

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6. Baker Mayfield vs. Kevin Stefanski: NFC South Grudge

Timestamps: 42:24 – 47:00

• After becoming division rivals (Mayfield in Tampa, Stefanski in Atlanta), Baker accuses Stefanski of treating him poorly in Cleveland.
• Discussion:
  • Heated anticipation for their matchups; “adds fuel to the fire.”
  • Joe: Shares that as a player, some games get circled on the calendar for personal reasons—mentions his past duels with Antonio Brown and A.J. Green.
    • “If you strap the best, then that lets people know that you are the best.” (44:05)
  • Impresses the difficulty of shutting down elite receivers—identity and pride on the line.

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7. Personal Mindsets and “Old School” Defense

Timestamps: 47:00 – 51:47

• Joe and Deebo trade stories on their playing mentality.
• Deebo’s attitude: Just showing up against the Steelers was “disrespectful” enough—should’ve forfeited!
  • “You showed up. That mean you think you could beat me?...That was disrespectful to me. You should have forfeited.” (49:30)
• Iconic talk of the Steelers D as "nightquil":
  • “That’s a fact…we all putting everybody going to sleep round clock.” (50:40)
• Deebo’s advice on delivering hard hits:
  • “If you want to put somebody to sleep, you gotta be willing to go to sleep.” (51:26)

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Notable Quotes and Highlights

• Joe Hayden (on Rodgers):
  • "Aaron Rodgers is awesome. I’m chilling. I don’t have to tell y'all what I want to do...I could gracefully bow out and not even tell you I'm retiring." (13:08)
• Deebo (on Burrow’s flag football):
  • “I am infinity percent against him playing in anything else but NFL quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers.” (25:33)
• Joe (on Lamar’s leadership):
  • “If Lamar’s in this joint, y’all better be in here. There’s no reason why nobody else is working if Lamar’s in here working.” (37:10)
• Deebo (on player mentality):
  • “You actually showed up to the game...that was disrespectful to me. You should’ve just forfeited and went home and just gave us the win.” (49:30)
• Deebo (on defensive grit):
  • “If you want to put somebody to sleep, you gotta go to sleep. Sometimes you gonna be the one that go to sleep. So you got to be willing.” (51:26)

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Key Segments (with Timestamps)

| Segment | Start Time | |-----------------------------------------------|------------| | Joe coaching flag football | 02:39 | | Rodgers contract, Steelers’ plan | 07:25 | | Browns QB debate: Watson vs. Shador Sanders | 17:45 | | Joe Burrow and flag football risk | 23:48 | | Lamar Jackson at Ravens workouts | 30:54 | | Baker vs. Stefanski, player rivalry games | 42:24 | | Defensive mindsets and stories | 47:00 |

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Tone and Vibe

The episode serves up sharp NFL analysis laced with trash talk, jokes, and real-life experiences from two veterans who lived the game. The chemistry and banter between Deebo and Joe keep things authentic, real, and entertaining—never shying from strong opinions or calling out what needs to be said. It's a perfect “nightcap” for diehards who want laughs, locker-room wisdom, and the inside scoop on football’s biggest stories.

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Useful For:

• NFL fans wanting straight-shooter insights without canned takes.
• Listeners hungry for both on-field stories and off-field drama.
• Anyone interested in the psychology, loyalty, and culture unique to pro football.

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[Joe Hayden]

I'm doing great, brother Debo. You could tell by my background, you could tell by my space, where I'm at right now. I'm back at the crib. Good. Chilling. Post it.

[Deebo Harrison]

Okay, that's good. That's good. I was, I was. I was hoping, or I was surprised I should say that, you know, you wasn't off shooting to the Masters over there, you know?

[Joe Hayden]

No, bro. See, I would be in the Masters. But like I told you, you know, I'm the head football coach of the flag football team. So I can't. I can't prioritize the Masters over being there for the first game of the season for my boys, for my team,

[Deebo Harrison]

for my brains, for your boyfriend. Because you. So you went on ahead and jumped full, full in. Head coach. I'm. I gotta be there every day type work. So your sons, you know, you the head coach. I hope we don't have no discrepancies on who is starting them. Why, you know, your son starting over, the other person's son. I'm just saying, you know, you know,

[Joe Hayden]

look, that's the one thing that I'm gonna do that I love that. That's. That's what I love about football, Debo. It's gonna be honest. My dad was honest with me about if somebody was better than me, if there was a person that could tackle better than me. If my son isn't. No, obviously, we had the first practice. I got a kid named West. He is fast, he is athletic, he's our best player. And everybody on the team's gonna know, okay. I asked him, wes, what position do you play? He said, I played three years and I played running back. I said, that is exactly what position you're gonna play here for us. Cause we need you. So, like, I'm gonna be. Honesty is the best policy. If we see it. Work hard and he's an effort guy. I see him running, boom, catching the ball. And then soon when you catch it, turn up field, I need that extra burst. Jog the ball all the way back. There's no walking. You know what I'm saying? So I. Hopefully he's leading by example. So I'm gonna need my best players to be. Hopefully they work hard. You know what I'm saying? Listen, discipline. Cause if you're not listening, then you're not gonna get. No, you gotta. You gotta be listening. You gotta be coachable. That's first.

[Deebo Harrison]

Oh, okay, so that's what you gonna say. He wasn't listening. That's why your son's starting.

[Joe Hayden]

He ain't starting.

[Deebo Harrison]

See?

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, Debo, listen, I'm. I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna do it the right way. That's all I'm telling you. I'll be a good coach.

[Deebo Harrison]

I'm, you know, me. I just, you know, I got to check, you know, because it. It be. You know, be a lot of. Be a lot of discrepancy. I got. I got a little bit. I got a little bit of experience with that, you know, around here in these.

[Joe Hayden]

Pa. Pa. That's why I started coaching. That's why I started coaching, because that's what I saw going on. And I was like, oh, no, we can't have that. Especially not at the young age. No, not. Not because you're not. Cause you're the coach's son. You're gonna be playing. That doesn't make any sense.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, tell me about it, baby. Tell me. I'm gonna need. I'm gonna need to find out. You gotta give me some updates on where, you know, where you coaching both of them. Just one.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm just coaching one. Cause my other son.

[Deebo Harrison]

Hold up, hold up. Which team are you coaching? The Steelers or the Browns?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm coaching the Cleveland Browns.

[Deebo Harrison]

What a surprise there.

[Joe Hayden]

No, but listen, because my coaches. My son Jet, his coach.

[Deebo Harrison]

Fire.

[Joe Hayden]

His coach is amazing. They won the championship last year. So I see him coaching them up, doing it the right way. Great plays. These kids are learning. They're disciplined. My other son's team, Joey, they. They did not do too well. They won one game. You know what I'm saying? Coach was out there, you know, it was. It was cool. I'm like, now I gotta come out there and coach and just be out there and do it the way that. The way that my other. The way jets coach is doing it. I love it. Right?

[Deebo Harrison]

It's no surprise that's his. Got good coaches. They got, you know, they got good mindset. They got. They got. You know, they got good players. They got.

[Joe Hayden]

The team name was the Panthers. They were the Panthers last year. They just switched the team name to the Steelers this year. So that's.

[Deebo Harrison]

That's. That's all they had to do, too, was. Hey, all you had to do was switch jersey, you know? That's all you had to do.

[Joe Hayden]

Whatever, Debo. You always want finagle it. You always want finagle it.

[Deebo Harrison]

Listen, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen, I. I don't.

[Deebo Harrison]

I don't. I don't do nothing, man. The colors run deep, you know?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes, I know. And they run deep.

[Deebo Harrison]

You get born over here.

[Joe Hayden]

They run deep this way, too. I'm. I rock with the. I love the land.

[Deebo Harrison]

When you born in Western pa, you know what they give you? First thing you lay on? Soon, as soon as they drop you out. We know as soon as you pop out, they drop you on them right there. They catch you in one of those. What? You know what it is? Terrible towels right there. Boom. Dr. Don't even touch you. Catch you on the terrible towel. Boom.

[Joe Hayden]

That's. Yes. Okay, everybody that born in Pittsburgh, baby, that boy. Pittsburgh, baby. That boy still mill, baby.

[Deebo Harrison]

No question. No. Everybody keep their towel.

[Joe Hayden]

Baby.

[Deebo Harrison]

Right there, right there. They fold it up from birth right there, put it in the safe.

[Joe Hayden]

What do you call that? What do you call swaddle them? Swallow them in it tight.

[Deebo Harrison]

Hey, that's it, baby. That's it.

[Joe Hayden]

Swaddle Joe, what we got? Let's get to our Steelers, then let's

[Deebo Harrison]

get to our Steelers, man. There's some people that believe Aaron Rodgers price done went up because of the Kirk Cousins thing. Charlie Batch actually said, regardless of even Adam Scheffner saying, hey, it's not a contractual situation. Yes, it is, and it is. Why? And it's not. And if not, why didn't he sign Joe? Yes. Go ahead.

[Joe Hayden]

What do you think? I think me and you might be on opposite perspectives on this one. Because for me, I think that Aaron Rodgers, he's chilling. Like, I think he doesn't. Nobody's going to be able to rush him to do whatever he wants. If he doesn't want to make a decision, if he doesn't want to say that he's coming back, then he's not forced to rush to say anything. And I don't really think it might be the money because last year his contract was $13 million. Incentives, they could get up to 19 million. Aaron Rodgers has made $395 million in his career. Then at $400 million for him, he could cruise. He could walk away if he wants to. He could come back. He could sign back if he wants to. But I think he's just really. It's on his own timing. So I don't think he feels rushed. I don't think he feels like he can. He kind of can do what he wants. He could sit out the way and wait until see something happens during the season. How Philip Rivers came back and Anything. Aaron Rodgers, I think he's in a financial position and in the position where a rod just don't be caring what type of time nobody else is on so he can do whatever he wants to do. That's what I think, Joe. What you, what you think, Joe?

[Deebo Harrison]

While I personally have not talked to Aaron Rodgers, I don't have direct communication with him. I'm going to be 100% in the same thought process of thinking as Mr. Batch here. The man played for what, 13.65 last year with an additional 5.85 that he could get in incentives, which puts him just under 20 million dollars.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[Deebo Harrison]

Her cousin's deal was basically a 20 million dollar guarantee. That does give Aaron, you know, I guess little reason that he would or people would believe that he would have little more leverage or may, may need to be, you know, paid more compensated. I understand, but that's not going to give him any more power. Our Rooney said, what was it last, last week? He said he hadn't turned, he hadn't personally talked to Rogers, he said, but Mike McCarthy was in contact with him on a regular and Art said he expected an answer by the draft.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, yeah, you could expect that answer.

[Deebo Harrison]

Okay. All right. And, and, and McCarthy had already said as soon as he got there that he liked Will Howard. Yes, he was first hired. He said that, and I believe it was last week. Owners meet the same thing. He said, quote, he said people get caught up in what, what like position the dudes was drafted in. But yes, that has nothing to do with. He also said that if he was in that process last year, he wouldn't have been around in the sixth round. He said Will Howard wouldn't have been around in the sixth round. So he has confidence in Will.

[Joe Hayden]

Right.

[Deebo Harrison]

So I tell you this to say yes, Mike McCarthy and the Steelers would like to have Aaron back. But the price is going to determine if they bring him back. And that's why they want a answer of if he wants to come back before they make an offer. Because I don't believe that if they went and said, hey, we're the Steelers will come to you Aaron, and we got a deal right now on the table for you, Aaron. 50, $60 million. I don't believe he would turn that down. Hell, I wouldn't turn that down. Would you turn that down? And I don't even want to play. Would you turn that down? Joe? Right now they say, hey, come on man, he go $56 million one year, you go turn it down.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna go Give the best I can. And I'm gonna question 56 and it might blow my. Blow something, but I'm gonna get it to you. I'm gonna give you the best.

[Deebo Harrison]

No question, but.

[Joe Hayden]

So go ahead.

[Deebo Harrison]

The Steelers don't get an answer before the draft. They're fine with that. And it's not, you know, idea of what, you know, how they want it to go, but they're just going to move like they've been moving, dude. Instead of going and doing what they've been doing, which is getting people around in every position. And when the quarterback come, they'll. They'll have a quarterback. Right now they're like, you know what? Instead of us giving Will another year under Aaron Rodgers, we're going to say, you know what? It's going to be trial by fire. We're going to put him in there. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, we got next year. And I think that's just the process of the thought that's going through their head and that's. That's where they at. Yeah, if he comes back, he comes back. It's great. But we're not going to tempt him to come back because we have a price so high that ain't nobody go turn down.

[Joe Hayden]

Because my thing is, I don't think it's not even to the point where it's a money issue yet with a rod, because they, like you said, the Steelers haven't offered him nothing, so he doesn't have anything to turn down.

[Deebo Harrison]

Right.

[Joe Hayden]

He's talking about rushing back.

[Deebo Harrison]

Had nothing to turn down. He said himself he hasn't had an offer to look at.

[Joe Hayden]

But. And that's the same thing. What I'm saying, though, a rod is in like, when I say, I don't mean the driver's seat, but like the Steelers, you gotta. Your organization. And this man is 40 some years old. We know he's a vet. We know what he brings to the table. But if you want to organizationally get moving and have your team like, you gotta be. He's is bigger than that. You know what I'm saying? Obviously, quarterback is the biggest position, but a rod is awesome. I'm chilling. I don't have to tell y' all what I want to do while, like, I'm a rod. If I don't want to come back, I won't come back. Like, you're not forcing me to tell you what I want to do. Why? Because you want to know. Because you want to move on and do whatever you want to do. You want to, like, determine what you guys want to do. Do what you want to do. Like. We're figuring it out. We're talking with Mike McCarthy in communication, but he's saying he hasn't talked to Ed to Rooney, but he's expecting an an. You can expect the answer as much as you want, but that's a rod. We know how he moves. He got 400. He could chill. He don't gotta answer you. There's no timeline in his head. There's timelines in team's head. Cause you got OTAs. You got things you gotta do. But if you're him, I could be chilling as long as I want. I don't have to say nothing. I could gracefully bow out and not even tell you I'm retiring. I could just chill, not say nothing. You know what I'm saying? And then if I want to come back, you could do whatever you want. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I'm looking at a rod at that point. Steelers, if you want to get an answer.

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[Joe Hayden]

Oh, that man a deal. Throw him an offer and then you can say, no. The prices. There's something's on the table. We've sent something out to A Rod. Now it's up to him to give us an answer before the, before the draft. Because I'm like, times are ticking unless you make some moves and start saying something. A Rod ain't got to do nothing. He's cooling. Your organization needs to figure out where you gonna move, how you gonna do it. Is Will gonna be the guy? Are we smooth? When we go past the draft, we're addressing to get our team good. So regardless if later on A Rod comes, we still got this good ass team that all we need is him. You know what I'm saying? Then we're talking, what is it? 22 million? 30. All right, we can finagle that.

[Deebo Harrison]

And it ain't gonna be 20. It ain't gonna be 20, dude. I'm thinking he gonna have to be.

[Joe Hayden]

I hear you. Or better. Yeah, no, for that.

[Deebo Harrison]

Because the price. Last year's price ain't today's price, buddy. But then you're talking about sign for what? A backup. Getting the guy. Yes, that they want to be their starter.

[Joe Hayden]

So I'm gonna go into a Rod mindset too, though. By that time. I feel you. This is my fallen swan. This is my last year out. What's the difference between 22 and 30? When I made 400 million and I'm trying to win with this team that I see now after the draft, training camp. Oh, man, there's a mob there. There's a good line, there's good defense. There's Pitman, there's. There's weapons. I could just slide in here, possibly win the championship. A Super bowl with 22, 23, 25. Something around that number where I'm looking like it's not even about the money now for him. He's like, I can go get a nice bag, play with a solid team, Mike McCarthy and be able to go,

[Deebo Harrison]

yeah, I understand what you're saying, but you know, everybody want to feel appreciated. And the way you feel their appreciation is in that number, though.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no. That you could, you could, yeah, you could talk a lot about how much you love me, but you could show me with that dollar.

[Deebo Harrison]

All right, man, listen, Tim Hasselback, I guess NFL analyst Tim Hasselback said he really don't think Watson has a Shot, he said. I really don't think Watson has a shot. He's been away from the game for so long, he's had basically two Achilles injuries. I think he is. I think his credibility in the locker room has been compromised because of his past. I think there are too many things with it if they don't drop the quarterback. And I think there's a lot of people that believe they won't. I think she does got a good chance. He should be in the building to try to prove that he can play at a starter level. Joe, do you agree disagree with old Hasselback statement?

[Joe Hayden]

I. I kind of agree because just speaking on Deshaun Watson, the last time he balled out was 2020, sat out in 2021. And then there's been a lot of injuries. It's been the shoulder. He's played 19 games, 2022-2024 for the Browns and two Achilles injuries. And I'm looking at the athletic ability. His thing was he could run, he could move. And I was looking at him while he was playing for the Browns. You get a little age, you started to get a little older. He wasn't just as explosive. So now coming off two fresh ACLs, you people have took the Arizona, the Arizona Cardinals.

[Deebo Harrison]

He got Achilles, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

He got. I mean, the Achilles, the two Achilles joints like those, those aren't no joke. So when we talk about those injuries to an athlete, that's not just. That's what he uses. He uses his legs along with his arm. So with me, I teams like the Cardinals that already bit the bullet where you know you spent that money and you gonna take this dead money for Kyler Murray to a tongue of a lua in Miami. You know what it is? You already took your bullet. You bit the bullet. When you. When you're in the Brown situation, Shador Sanders, I'm feeling like give him a chance. If it doesn't look like what it is, you still have Deshaun Watson on your team. That's working and you're paying him 45 million, so you have a backup quarterback. It's not a problem for me to look at it like you got two, but for them, I'm thinking that Shador, he ended the season as a starter. He's grinding. He's in the building all the time. Coach Todd speaks about it. You know what I'm saying? We haven't seen Dylan Gabriel. I don't know if desean's in there yet, but I know one thing. I know Shador's in there. I know he's trying to be the. I know he wants to be the QB one. He's preparing like he wants to be the QB one. So for me, draft a tackle, get as many ballers around Shador that we can. Draft a tackle, get us a wide receiver, and then we'll see where it goes from there. If Shador is not looking good, if he's out there throwing unnecessary picks, taking unnecessary sacks, making our team lose games for no reason, then we can move on. We see that he's probably not the guy, but I'm not thinking that's going to happen. I'm thinking it's going to be solid. Shadow is going to look good. He's going to do way better than he did last year. Just growing as a player. When you get better talent around him also, that's going to help out. So I would start off with Shador at 1000%. He's leading off. He's the team. I think the locker room loves Shador, too. It's like the vibes. You see what's going on. Nobody. He's doing all the right things. He's not doing nothing for the team to be like, no, no, no, no, we're not. No. Everything that I see, Miles Garrett, we love Shador. So top dudes are talking about that. He's motivated. He thinks that he can be the starting quarterback. I think he can be the starting quarterback we're going to see on the field. But it's going to be a competition. I don't think he's going to get beat out camp. It's going to be him and Watson getting reps. You're going to have to. Desean Watson is going to have to do something ridiculous to make. I feel like he takes Shador's job. I think. I feel like Shador has a job. He's going to have to lose it, and desean's going to have to take it. And then when you go into the regular season, we see how it goes. Start him off. He ended the season as a starting quarterback, so he knows what it's like. So run it with Shador and have Deshaun still working. Competition, compete and whatever. But I think it's Shador's job to lose.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, I would have to. I would have to agree with you on that. I think it's more of Shador to lose it. And it would be a. It would have to be a great, great, like, take of Watson going out there and looking like he was looking before he came to Cleveland for him to get a shot at it because they like, dude, you owe us back pay. Like you ain't we. We got you 200 something, you know, fully guaranteed, and we ain't got nothing. But, you know what you say? Nine games in the last four years, and when you, you know, you go and look at it, go to 24. He's. He was. Seven games, 164 a game, six touchdowns, three interceptions, one win. Take Shador seven. He had 175. He had eight touchdown. But he did have 10 picks, three wins. It's better. But Shador is a rookie, and it's a learning curve. So his next year coming, this year should be greater than what it was. Watson was already well into the game. You know, his career had got going. So you add that on top with two whole years miss, you know, all the injuries, I don't see him being able to get much better than what his last performance was. Actually. I see it, you know, declining. You got to get back into a groove and all that. And, you know, you already running with, you know, Shador. He's younger. You got, you know, you got Watson. He's going to be older. And like you said, he done lost a lot of the things that made him special just from injuries and not being able to be on the field.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep. Going into year 10, you're a quarterback. I'm hoping that everything is going. But you know what? It is two Achilles tears. Debo. That's not like a simple thing. You coming back from an ankle joint, you know what I'm saying? His bone, get it fixed, you're good to go. This is, you know, I'm saying real, real athlete. That real. It messes up athletes.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. So Kyle Shanahan, I guess he had to pull old Joe Burrow to the side and tell him, you know, chill out with that flag football thing. He said, I guess he was coaching him in that flag football event. Yeah, he said, I had to grab him one time, and I'm like, dude, chill out, man. I remember in one of our first practices, Logan Paul ran full speed to try and grab a flat grab his flag, and he made a move and he kind of collided. And I'm just sitting there like, oh, my God, we got a YouTuber running into our quarterbacks.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying.

[Deebo Harrison]

Bengals head coach Zach Taylor couldn't even bring himself to watch it. He said, I pretended like it wasn't happening until it was over. So I'm thankful we got through it and we're good and we'll move forward and get ready for our season. Now, if Joe's going to do something, he's going to go all out and do it. He's trying to win. And that's why we. And that's why we should love him.

[Joe Hayden]

What you. What you thinking?

[Deebo Harrison]

All right, listen, I'll tell you the truth. So originally, originally, I wasn't tripping on it. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[Deebo Harrison]

You know, I know I said I would let Joe playing the flag football, Olympics and all that, but, you know, I should have changed my opinion when I saw the actual tape, but I was in recruiting mode. You know how they go when you.

[Joe Hayden]

When.

[Deebo Harrison]

When they come to you. When. When the coach come to your house, he sit down there with your mom and your daddy, tell you all the lies.

[Joe Hayden]

Everything. Yes.

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[Joe Hayden]

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[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, I tell you. Yeah, tell you everything. So, you know, I was in recruitment mode. I should have backed up off of that. But it is no way in God screener. I am like 100 million thousand. I am infinity percent against him playing in anything else but NFL quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers. What do you think?

[Joe Hayden]

If I'm not. If I'm the owner, if I'm the owner for the Cincinnati Bengals and I have my franchise quarterback out there, that I need him out there on Sundays, that that's what I actually do pay him for. And he. I know he gives it all. He's running around, but if you. But if was the fifth, we all be drunk. But if Joe Burrow were to get out there and tear something up, how crazy would we be looking? You know what I'm saying? How crazy would the Bengals be looking? And everybody's like, no, no, no, you're doing it for the. No, that was a flag football joint just for. For views, just to get people out there. No, I don't know. There's no real bread here. Joe Burrow's making 45, like 50, $55 million a year to be a professional quarterback and has missed games because of injuries. You know what I'm saying? In. In game. So, like, there's reasons why NFL contracts don't let us do certain things.

[Deebo Harrison]

Like, did they allow him to do that? Did their contract. I mean, Bengals say, you could go do this? I would guess my thing was this is.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know.

[Deebo Harrison]

I. I actually thought that, like the flag football thing, like, them playing quarterback in my head, I'm like, oh, that ain't a big deal. They go be throwing the ball. And then when I saw it, I'M like they actually let them run.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Deebo Harrison]

And when you get blitzed, he's trying to make cuts and moves and you got other dudes running at you full speed trying to grab a flag. Like that's a recipe. Especially for a guy that's already done had a few injuries. That's a recipe for disaster. Like I am not letting you do that. Like that's a non football injury. Even though it's in football, you can't get injured playing flag.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, no, no. For sure.

[Deebo Harrison]

A horrible outcome for him if he had got hurt. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Like, yeah, no, for sure. Because that's what you said. It's that non football injuries. That's what gets you about your contracts.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yes, yes. So somebody I don't know, like I said originally, I just thought, yo, you go out there and you just sit in the pocket like Tom Brady do, like for real and just throw the ball. But when I saw him like shaking and baking and moving and all that, like his shaking bac ain't really like that.

[Joe Hayden]

And you know, yeah, he went max shaking. Baked too.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, he almost, he. He almost tore his own thing. Not even. Didn't nobody even touch him. Just trying to, you know, get it. Nah, I'm not rocking, Joe. I was in recruit mode and I was lying to you at that time.

[Joe Hayden]

See? Okay, there we go. Do you got you guys.

[Deebo Harrison]

I want to stay safe. Your offensive line is not protecting you over there. We can protect you over here. The coaching staff ain't putting the people around you. We go put the people around you. We doing it right now, Joe Burrow.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, we're gonna keep them nice and protected. Good line, good defense. Hey, you might be you score protecting

[Deebo Harrison]

what we go stop them from scoring. You ain't going to be out there in no shootout.

[Joe Hayden]

You're gonna be able to chill. Hand the ball off.

[Deebo Harrison]

Hand the ball off. Watch them run, burn the clock. Ain't gonna be out there, you know, having to go out there and put your life at risk with a line that can't block for you, can't get.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, you gotta pass.

[Deebo Harrison]

We sitting over here. It's never too late.

[Joe Hayden]

Now that. See that's we look all right.

[Deebo Harrison]

I just want him to be safe, man. All I want to say to the point and I don't think you're getting over there. Well, I want this joy back, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

You want to love. You want to just love the game.

[Deebo Harrison]

I want him to love the game again.

[Joe Hayden]

That's it. You know, I respect it because if that Debo, you already know, I'm all in for Joe Burrow for sure. But I'm just. That's just. That's just. That's just like a. It's just so far in my mind because I'm like, if that. That would just be crazy. Unbelievable. And you will be the first person that ever, ever. You've been bringing this up, Debo, for a long. I went back on the thing. You brought this up like six months ago.

[Deebo Harrison]

Listen, man, I'm just asking. I gotta talk. You gotta speak it into existence.

[Joe Hayden]

Now.

[Deebo Harrison]

Look at the. You don't always, you know, the timing, you know, sometimes it's immediate, sometimes it takes a while. You know what I'm saying, man?

[Joe Hayden]

It's not. It's not in your time. It's in God's time.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yes, yes, yes, Though. Hey, listen, man, the older wine get, the better it tastes. You know what I'm saying? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Man, look here. The Ravens over there. Lamar Jackson done showed up at off season.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, he did.

[Deebo Harrison]

It's supposed to be a big deal, man. I guess we got a video, man. Look at the video, man. I don't care.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, man, you know, you. You can't. You know what? You know who. You never gonna. You never. Yep, that's that grind. That's that grind. That's what you. Your quarterback. He in there. They quarterback. Yep. Sliding Joe, the phone, I guess. What's up?

[Deebo Harrison]

I guess Lamar going to the off season program thing is a big thing, you know. It's not a big thing. Okay. It's Lamar being a professional. Right. You have a new coach, which means you get additional. You go into. You can go in two weeks earlier. So you got new things that's going in. You got new things to learn. You know, you get an earlier start. The coach gets to go ahead and, you know, start his program a little earlier. Yeah. And Mr. Stated like last week over the meetings that it's about creating an environment where players want to be there, where they feel like they're getting a lot out of it. You know, we need. In an environment where they feel they're getting better. No, that's what he.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Yes.

[Deebo Harrison]

And I like. I like this for Lamar as a leader, as the face of that team. Brother.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[Deebo Harrison]

Leading by example.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[Deebo Harrison]

Doing the things necessary to, you know, show that he is buying in to the new direction.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[Deebo Harrison]

New coach and, you know,

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[Deebo Harrison]

He's taking the lead and it's.

[Joe Hayden]

That's.

[Deebo Harrison]

That's what you're supposed to do. Yes, but I am me.

[Joe Hayden]

You just said. You preface this, all that you said the good part and then.

[Deebo Harrison]

But I am me and I'm still fan.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[Deebo Harrison]

I don't want them building nothing in that building. Okay? I tried my best to

[Joe Hayden]

speak to

[Deebo Harrison]

Lamar's ego about them expecting him to be there. Okay? Obviously it didn't work.

[Joe Hayden]

It didn't work.

[Deebo Harrison]

But. But I'm still hopeful that he may only be there for a few days and he has a change of heart and leaves early. Lamar, listen to me. You can still do that because you are Lamar Jackson, a generational talent, that is. Who are they to tell you what they expect? Meaning you better be here or else you, a grown man, do what you want.

[Joe Hayden]

Who they talking to?

[Deebo Harrison]

Like, that's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying about it. How's. How's you a grown man making millions. Millions. Millions of dollars. He gonna try and tell you what you.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, grown man.

[Deebo Harrison]

Lamar, what you better do You're a grown man, Lamar. Joe, what's your, what's your view on this? What's your view on this recent development?

[Joe Hayden]

Joe, I could just say this. Everything you said at the beginning of your statement, I was rocking with too. I'm happy for Lamar. It's good for Lamar. I like Lamar Jackson, you know what I'm saying? As the player, as a player, as a football player. I like Lamar Jackson. He's just dynamic. I want the best for him. I don't want him to not do well. I don't want him to go out there and get hurt. I don't want anything, no harm on Lamar Jackson. I love his game. So for me, for him to go in there and just team wise, when you're a quarterback, when you're the leader of the franchise, it is always good to be able to get that relationship as early as you can with your receivers, with your line, get your timing together because you're touching the ball every single play. You're the most important person on our squad and with Lamar's case, you're the best player on our squad, the highest paid player on our squad. Everybody's going to follow you. You got the swag, you got the juice. You, Lamar Jackson, you've been the MVP of the league a couple of times. So if you in the building, everybody should be in the building, you know what I'm saying? So you just kind of saying that foundation, Lamar's in this joint, y' all better be in here. There's no reason why nobody else is working if Lamar's in here working, you know what I'm saying? So I love it from that perspective. Every other thing you said, it's getting them confidence. That's why you don't like it because you're like, nah. You expect him to be out there, the new coach, him saying that is, him saying it is he would expect his best player to be there. He hopes that he will be there because especially now he's a new coach. So we got new language, we got new terminology, we got new stuff going in and hopefully if you want to be the best that we can be, you going to come in here early and get it done. And Lamar showing that he wants to get it done. So it's kind of, it works out. So the coach is probably looking a little more like, thank you for showing up. You making me look good. We got the best player in here. Like, like buying in. Basically that's full blown buy in. So it's a good look. So I bet Coach is rocking with Lamar Jackson more now, wanting him to succeed because he's saying and showing the squad that I'm in here, I'm trying, I'm motiv. And contractually wise, he got two years left. So, Deebo, this what you can look at on the bright side. Lamar trying to get paid again. They're tripping. So if Lamar goes into this after this year, he's gonna have one year left on his contract. And then if he goes in with one year left, Lamar like, what they gonna do then? They better back up the Brinks. Or he could just play one last year and then see if he can win a test free agency. So, like, Lamar Jackson might be able to be on the road unless they start acting right and start paying them like they. He. He wants a new deal. And I think that's a whole nother thing too, why he's going to be in there showing them, look, I'm bought in now. You know what I'm saying? Show me something. So I think it's a little bit of two so you can see if they. You're going to hear. I think we'll be hearing contract talks about the Ravens, too. So Lamar's in there trying to show him, like, look, I scratch your back, you scratch my back. Oh, you know what I'm saying?

[Deebo Harrison]

I understand what you're saying, but I still didn't hear your. Your butt part of it.

[Joe Hayden]

My butt part is my butt. My butt part.

[Deebo Harrison]

I don't like it. My butt giving too much.

[Joe Hayden]

My butt part. My. But my butt part is. Is not good for the Browns and the Steelers. It's not good for the AFC North. It's not good for the division. Like Lamar Jackson being at the top of his game and his team rallying around him and him and the receivers and them just being able to be on the flow. That's not good. That's the bucket.

[Deebo Harrison]

Joe, Joe, Joe, stop this. Stop this.

[Joe Hayden]

What's up, man?

[Deebo Harrison]

Are going to be a Hall of Fame player. I want you to talk to Mars ego right now,

[Joe Hayden]

all right? You want me to talk to my ego? If they don't give you the bag, Lamar, the way that you deserve, then you need to go ahead and you know what I'm saying? Then you might have to bounce out. I need him because. Because look, you. You are who you are. That's a fact. So you know, Debo, I don't want to have to be negative, but that part of us, the ego part is Lamar, you that dog. And they need to give you 63. $65 million a year on a five year deal, fully guaranteed, or you need to go ahead and bounce out that thing. There we go. How about that, Debo? Is that the.

[Deebo Harrison]

That don't. Get him out of there right now, Joe. How you gonna. I need him to leave, not finish the program. So everybody else will leave.

[Joe Hayden]

See, I can't, man. That's not. I don't got it in me to just be out. No, I'm gonna leave that to you. I'm gonna leave that to you. I'm gonna leave that to you, D. But I can't.

[Deebo Harrison]

I can't, bruh. Bruh. You know, I see. I see what type of person you is. Well, you ain't willing to do the dirty stuff that need to be done some. Hey, sometimes you gotta get your hands dirty.

[Joe Hayden]

Sometimes you gotta get your hands dirty.

[Deebo Harrison]

So, hey, listen, this dirty. It's dirty stuff about dirty job that you gotta do, Joe. Sometimes you gotta come down in there and you know how to fill in that gap.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what that means? My heart is pure. My heart is pure, Debo. That's all I could tell you legitimately. My heart is pure. Look at you. Look at you making that face when I'm talking about having a pure heart. That's how I can tell you.

[Deebo Harrison]

Ready to do some dirty work, Joe? Yo, I'm new. I'm new. I'm new to this.

[Joe Hayden]

You are.

[Deebo Harrison]

I'm trying to get pure. You know, you true. I'm like. I'm a pig that like to. Like to roll around in the mud and then go get washed off. You know, I get dirty all the time. It feel good. It was. It was. It was a feeling that I was used to. Hey, I'm fighting for my life. Every day I'm out here fighting for my life. Hey, bro, you.

[Joe Hayden]

You are the. You are the devil and the angel on each shoulder that is actually you, bro.

[Deebo Harrison]

I got one here.

[Joe Hayden]

I got one here. They be talking to it because I know you got so much good in you, but you got a lot of bad in you, too. I mean that with the most utmost respect.

[Deebo Harrison]

Oh, man. Let's go over here to Tampa, bro. Todd BO says Baker Mayfield and Kevin Stefanski will have to figure out their beef. So after the Falcons names Stefanski their new head coach, Baker accused Stefanski of treating him like a piece of garbage. Baker also said he can't wait to see him twice a year. Talbot said that they have to decide that on the field. He said, I think that's something that they have to figure out from the standpoint, from that standpoint, since we can't have a boxing match where they get to get in the ring with each other and knock each other out, you know? You know, we're going to back our guy Baker, and I'm sure they're going to back their coach as well. It's a division game, so it's already going to be tough fought, hard fought game, so it just adds to it. They're already, like you said, they're already division opponents, and it's a rivalry. This obviously will add a little bit of fuel to the fire. Joe, is there any games where you were like, you know, I'm gonna circle this game on there, you know, And I. Each year you're like, yeah, I can't wait to play this team or this coach or know whatever it was on the schedule. And please don't say the Steelers.

[Joe Hayden]

See, why would I not say this? Look, I wanted to because I wanted.

[Deebo Harrison]

You were disappointed a lot. I think you were what, 3 and 11?

[Joe Hayden]

So that doesn't matter.

[Deebo Harrison]

I mean, that's kind of like Cleveland, you know, high.

[Joe Hayden]

I wanted to go against because it was. I wanted to go against a B because if you strap the best, then that less people know that you are the best. And I wanted to be on that. I was playing one on one AB I knew what time it was, so I wanted to go against. Honestly, I wanted to go against A.B. just, just. Just to see where I was at. D line, please. Get there because you're gonna have me out here looking crazy if you don't. I can't cover them all day, but I'm. I can't cover all day, but I'm gonna be trying my hardest. So we had AB and then, I'm not gonna lie to you, I would look forward to A.J. green, Andy Dalton and A.J. green.

[Deebo Harrison]

That's more of a matchup. Y' all could. I got to win.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, we was. We won more. We won more of those than we lost, I would think. And I had pretty good days. Andy would throw me some, you know what I'm saying? So those are the good times. So A.J. green and A.J. green and Antonio Brown, the Steelers and the Bengals. I would circle those games because I was on my personal matchups. My thing was I couldn't score points, you know what I'm saying? I could make sure AB had under 50 and didn't score. I can make sure AJ Green had under 50 and didn't score. And that's what made me feel like I was doing my job. And every, like, time. What were they catches? Did they get in the end zone? Did they get third down completions? Did they move the chains? Did I lose on third down? Like, when my one on ones, I wanted to be win more, way more than I lost. So, like, those were just in my mindset. Like, it's gonna be what it's gonna be, Jody. Just don't make it be on you. If I got scored on by aj, I felt like, damn, when we lose this game for sure, that's on my head. And with AB scored, I'm like this, oh, yeah, we gonna lose for show. That's what I'm like. I lost us the game in my mind. Like, oh, hell, if we mess around and win this game, thank you, team. Like, y' all done looked out for me because I let y' all down. Like, I got scored on. And now for sure we should. If we lose, I'm sitting there like this. No, I don't care what none of y' all say. Did y' all see when I got bombed up? Like, the game was over in my mind, we lost. Like, damn, Joe. I'm walking to the. Everybody looking like it's all good. I'm like, I know it's not, but you know what I'm saying? I appreciate it. That's on me. That's on me. It's all good, Joe. No, it ain't, man. We need to make sure they don't get no first downs. And I just got scored on. Game over.

[Deebo Harrison]

Hey, you fight, you fight. You fighting the uphill battle, baby.

[Joe Hayden]

Fighting, fighting, bro. Under 50. If you get him under 30. Like, for real. For real. Under 30. But that under 50. Under under three catches. Under 50 yards. Out of the zone. Out of the zone. The. Out of the box, obviously was the best one, but just consistently under under 50. You was good.

[Deebo Harrison]

Okay, I'd agree with that. No touchdowns.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, zero tutties, bro. If you touched down, you lost. You.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, you can't give up no test, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

You can't even give up third down conversions. You. Damn, you starting to lose. Like, third and three, you give up a slant. Ah, you're looking crazy. Why did you do that? Like, no, that's your money right there.

[Deebo Harrison]

I'm gonna have to go look back at your Joe versus AB stats, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. No, I'm gonna. Yeah, I'm gonna go look back too. If we had some battles.

[Deebo Harrison]

Less than.

[Joe Hayden]

Less than 50.

[Deebo Harrison]

That's a. That's a hard one. That's a hard one. How Many times y' all play? About 10,

[Joe Hayden]

eight, probably. Something like that.

[Deebo Harrison]

Something like that.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep. Yep. I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get the come. I'm gotta go look at the. Yeah, I'm gonna go look back at the combo comparison, the catches, the third downs. I'm gonna go watch them joints again because now I got somebody tell us

[Deebo Harrison]

what the numbers were.

[Joe Hayden]

Well, I know one thing. I remember the one joint he hit me on Thursday Night Football. Slip on the Comeback. I mean, no, not on the. On the back shoulder fade. Oh, my God. My goodness. I was looking sweet. We were wearing the All White in Pittsburgh, and he caught it, and all my boys got hit.

[Deebo Harrison]

Hit that. All that white. That boy.

[Joe Hayden]

All that white on it, man. And it didn't even matter on that one because Slipped all up. Oh, bro, that was so. That was so bad. AB Had a couple of good ones

[Deebo Harrison]

on me Thursday night, baby. Ain't nobody watching nothing else but football, too, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Watching me. And that's. But that look, look, that's when I came through. Hit your boy, Heath Miller. Thumb fumble. Yeah, my boy.

[Deebo Harrison]

Oh, okay. Y' all won that game.

[Joe Hayden]

See, there we go. I'm trying to talk.

[Deebo Harrison]

I was asking the question.

[Joe Hayden]

Did I tell you that we got. I got scored on by AB I'm

[Deebo Harrison]

just asking a question.

[Joe Hayden]

What do you think? Yes. No, we did not win that game.

[Deebo Harrison]

So offensive, Joe. I mean, I'm just asking. I can't even ask questions.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm about to.

[Deebo Harrison]

Good Lord, man. I'm just asking questions. Goodness, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, I'm not. You're not listening to the contest clues. I told you.

[Deebo Harrison]

I'm sorry.

[Joe Hayden]

We lose.

[Deebo Harrison]

Oh, he scored. Okay, I got you scored.

[Joe Hayden]

So you. What you think happened? We.

[Deebo Harrison]

When I heard the fumble, it made me think that you got the score back and you, like, returned the fumble for a touchdown.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Deebo Harrison]

Oh, okay, okay. I understand. I got it. I got it now. Yeah, I. I can't say that I circled any games, to be honest with you. The fact that you actually showed up to the game was disrespectful to me. So that was motivation enough for me, I think.

[Joe Hayden]

I like that. I like that.

[Deebo Harrison]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Deebo Harrison]

You showed up. That mean you think you could beat me? Y' all actually came. You know what I'm saying? That was like. Oh, that's just. That was. You know, that was. In my mind. That was disrespectful to me. You should have just forfeited and went home and just gave us the win. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

No, just having that mindset is right, but they. They also professionals. They got a job.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, I don't. I don't care about that. I mean, that was just my mindset. You actually showed up to the game. That was. That was enough. You know, Damn, you like. Like, y'. All.

[Joe Hayden]

Y' all need to not even show up.

[Deebo Harrison]

Game day. The closer it gets a game day, and then the closer you get to game time. Like, the coach ain't, like, come over and be like, hey, hey, listen, you don't want to play, y' all boys, man, we won't. Like, you know, we sick or something. We. Everybody got the flu. Like, hey, let's get up out of here. So now we got to go out here. We got to put lights out.

[Joe Hayden]

You saying basically, like, we'll be to sleep. You basically, like, y' all didn't watch enough film to see what I do. Okay. That's what you're saying?

[Deebo Harrison]

I'm just saying, like. I mean, they. They used to call it the Steelers defense, the. The 2008. Seven, nine, all that. Ten like that, man. They used to call us nightquil. Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

That's a fact.

[Deebo Harrison]

You going to sleep, Dave.

[Joe Hayden]

We all putting everybody going to sleep around clock.

[Deebo Harrison]

You ain't even know. You ain't even putting you to sleep. No, I put one to sleep in Miami.

[Joe Hayden]

I. Anybody putting yourself to sleep, I just know one thing, you know, because I saw my man Ryan Clark out there. He would put his own. You know, when you got to risk yourself to put yourself to sleep, Joe, I told.

[Deebo Harrison]

I told my dude, E came from New England. I think he played with Ebron middle backer.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Deebo Harrison]

He said. He said, hey, what you. You know, what you be doing, man, that, you know, be putting people to sleep? I said, listen, I said, if you want to put somebody to sleep, you

[Joe Hayden]

gotta go to go to sleep. Exactly.

[Deebo Harrison]

I said, because sometimes you gonna sleep, you might go be the one that go to sleep. So you got to be willing.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[Deebo Harrison]

Night night. To put somebody. Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes, yes. That's exactly how Debo. There it is. You got to be willing to put yourself to sleep because you never know.

[Deebo Harrison]

Oh, man.

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