Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers & Browns Start Training Camp + LeBron Snubs Cleveland for Philly

Summary

Nightcap Podcast Summary

Episode: Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers & Browns start training camp + LeBron Snubs Cleveland for Philly
Date: July 31, 2026
Hosts: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe Haden
Podcast: Nightcap (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)

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Episode Overview

This episode is the first part of a two-part discussion between former NFL stars James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden, focusing on the start of NFL training camps for the Pittsburgh Steelers and Cleveland Browns, major off-season developments, and LeBron James’ headline-making decision to join the Philadelphia 76ers over a Cleveland homecoming. With their signature blend of humor, banter, and player insight, Deebo and Joe analyze training camp gossip, current events, and the human side of major sports stories.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Offseason Recap & Personal Updates [(04:14)–(11:04)]

• Joe Haden opens with stories from his off-season, including golf trips (Oak Hill, Trout National, playing with friends), and updates on his health—specifically a lingering hip issue that could end his pickup basketball days.
• Quote (Joe Haden, 05:33): "I shot really bad. I shot like a 95. I shot like a 95. Okay, 95."
• Deebo teases Joe about his golf score and encourages body maintenance; both share their routines to stay in shape post-career.
• Deebo mentions attending Fanatics Fest and getting extensive body work, hinting at the toll the game has taken on their bodies.

2. LeBron James Signs with the Philadelphia 76ers [(11:04)–(17:00)]

• Major discussion around LeBron’s decision to join the Sixers rather than return to the Cavaliers.
• Joe admits his disappointment as a Clevelander and a Cavs fan:
  Quote (Joe Haden, 12:26): "I was sad, honestly, genuinely, just because I wanted him to come back. I knew this was probably going to be his final time to see Braun."
• The move is analyzed purely from a basketball perspective: LeBron is joining an already stacked roster (Maxey, Jaylen Brown, Embiid) and doesn’t need to play hero-ball.
  • Quote (Joe Haden, 14:34): "If you're just looking at that mob right there, that five, that's an unbelievable five. I don't care what anybody's talking about."
• Deebo prods Joe on his loyalties: is he still a “land” guy (Cleveland) or now a Philly supporter? Joe tries to toe the line, insisting he’s a Cavs fan but respects LeBron’s decision.
  • Quote (Deebo, 16:13): "Who do you want to win? It ain't no such thing as a win win situation, Joe."

3. NFL Training Camps — Steelers & Browns

Steelers Camp Update [(27:04)–(32:00)]

• Steelers have players on the Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) list: Joey Porter Jr. (back), Jaylen (knee), Dante Kent.
• Positive Note: Broderick Jones is returning after a serious neck injury and is being eased back into practice.
• Joe praises the mental toughness required to come back after an injury, emphasizing the business side of the NFL.
  • Quote (Joe Haden, 29:01): "He understands the realization of the business of the game... Just being able to see the league for what it is."
• Discussion around non-contact practices and “thud” tackling (wrap and release, not to-the-ground) as a safety measure in camp.

Browns Camp & Quarterback Drama [(36:45)–(57:34)]

• Browns quarterbacks and rookies reported early; Joe supports the move, highlighting the importance of QBs learning the system.
• Extensive breakdown of the Browns’ quarterback battle:
  • Coach Todd Monken’s statement (50:20): Four QBs competing; Desean [Watson] and Shador [Sanders] likely alternating with the first team. No bias—“play decides who the starter is.”
  • Joe and Deebo both lean toward Shador winning the job, depending on how camp/preseason goes, but admit it could be decided by higher-ups or money invested in Watson.
  • Quote (Joe Haden, 54:06): "If it's close for me, I'm sure though, I just got to go with Shador. He's younger. He's... going to have more time to improve and learn through the process."
• Browns make waves with major defensive contracts: Denzel Ward gets a two-year extension, Joe calls it a “master class” in contract management.
  • Quote (Joe Haden, 46:21): "Denzel Ward has done what I call a master class. Only thing that they could give a knock about Denzel Ward is his injuries."
• Visit from Coach Prime (Deion Sanders), who gives insight on his son Shador and talks with the Browns’ staff—further fueling QB competition speculation.

4. Locker Room Humor & Loyalty Debates

• Running joke from Deebo about Joe’s divided loyalty between “the land” (Cleveland) and his admiration for LeBron and Philly.
• Quote (Deebo, 23:41): "You supposed to be from the land, the city that picks you number one, but you hoping and wishing against and praying against them."
• Joe defends his objectivity: “I just want the best team to win,” but Deebo questions his ability to pick sides when faced with a direct team-vs.LeBron scenario.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Quote & Context | |:---|:---| | 05:33 | Joe Haden, on his golf game: "I shot really bad. I shot like a 95..." | | 12:26 | Joe Haden, on LeBron snubbing Cleveland: "I was sad, honestly, genuinely, just because I wanted him to come back..." | | 14:34 | Joe Haden, on Philly’s lineup: "If you're just looking at that mob right there, that five, that's an unbelievable five." | | 16:13 | Deebo, on rooting decisions: "Who do you want to win? It ain't no such thing as a win win situation, Joe." | | 29:01 | Joe Haden, on Broderick Jones mentality: "He understands the realization of the business of the game..." | | 46:21 | Joe Haden, praising Denzel Ward: "Denzel Ward has done what I call a master class..." | | 54:06 | Joe Haden, on Browns QB battle: "If it's close for me, I'm sure though, I just got to go with Shador..." |

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Important Timestamps

• Opening / Personal Catchups (04:14–11:04)
• LeBron James Decision Discussion (11:04–17:00)
• Steelers Training Camp Updates (27:04–32:00)
• Camp Practice Philosophy—No Live Tackling (32:04–34:20)
• Browns Camp: QB Report & Philosophy (36:45–44:03)
• Denzel Ward Contract Extension Analysis (45:18–47:35)
• Coach Prime Visit and QB Competition Analysis (47:56–57:34)

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Episode Flow & Tone

• The hosts combine football expertise with friendly trash-talk and playful rivalry, especially regarding team loyalty.
• Analysis is unfiltered and personal, reflecting the players’ perspectives both on and off the field.
• Episode threads from fun off-season tales, through analysis of big-name moves, to deep dives into the minutiae of training camp and NFL business realities.

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Summary

In this Nightcap episode, Deebo and Joe zigzag from off-season hijinks and old injuries to the high-stakes drama of NFL training camps and NBA free agency bombshells. LeBron’s Philly move is dissected—from emotional fan letdown to basketball logic. Steelers and Browns training camp storylines get the veteran treatment, with candid commentary on health, contracts, and position battles—especially the Browns’ much-hyped quarterback duel now spiced up by a Deion Sanders drop-in. As always, the banter is as telling as the analysis, leaving fans both entertained and better-informed as the football season approaches.

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[Joe Hayden]

Ah, I'm doing great, brother. Debo. I'm doing great. I missed you, my brother. Honestly, I did. I did. My brother from another. It's been too long. It's been too long.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Way too long, brother. What, 17?

[Todd Monken]

Eight?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Something like that? Oh, my goodness, brother.

[Joe Hayden]

A lot of days, brother.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

A lot of days.

[Joe Hayden]

A lot of days. And I ain't gonna lie. I took advantage of those days.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Of those days.

[Joe Hayden]

I did a couple of. I golfed. I did some golf trips. I went back out to New York.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What a surprise.

[Joe Hayden]

New Jersey. I went to Oak Hill. Beautiful course. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You just went golfing?

[Joe Hayden]

No, that's one of the.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, I'm asking. You just said the hell with it. I'm gonna go back to go play on some green grass that you can get in va.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. I'm gonna go play pristine, nice courses that I haven't.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Please tell me it was some charity event to it. Something that was more than you just running around to some other grass.

[Joe Hayden]

Nope. Me going to a PGA tour course by my man Ben that hosted me and my brother and my boy Sean, my brother Jonathan, my boy Sean. We all went out there and we went and had a great day.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And from there, what was the score?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I. This. I haven't played in a long time.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You see when he starts stuttering, y' all already know it was some trash.

[Joe Hayden]

I shot really bad. I shot like a. I shot like a 95. I shot like a 95. Okay, 95.

[Todd Monken]

Almost 100.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's good, huh? You shoot 100. I don't know how golf work, how they work.

[Joe Hayden]

So I shot. I shot like a. I shot like a fifth. I shot like a 50.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

45, Debo, so you want to suit 100. That's an A, right? That's an 8. That's.

[Joe Hayden]

That's terrible. You want to get closer to 72 is the better. So my. I'm normally shoot in the high 80s, you know what I'm saying? Like 86, 43 on the front, 43 on the back. That's normally my score. Like right around 86. That's solid. This one I haven't played in a long time. So we did that. Then from there, Debo went to Jersey, ran back some more golf. Went to Trout National Fire Golf course. Mike Trout Tiger woods course.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay, okay.

[Joe Hayden]

The member guest.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I know what you're talking about. I remember that one. Cause I was in the. I was in design of that course. I remember that.

[Joe Hayden]

There you go. There you go. Lion. Lion just. There we go. Just like you just lying. Yeah, I'm just, you know, Debo playing the member. Guess my boy Ross, we came in fourth place, you know, and obviously you didn't help. I did not help. I did not. Ross played so good, but I brought the vibes. I was making sure he was good. We had the caddy, you know what I'm saying, kicking it. But Ross definitely played way better than me. I gotta get my. I gotta get my swings back. Right? I gotta stop often.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You got. You gotta get back into the groove of it.

[Joe Hayden]

I got to.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay. Okay, so.

[Joe Hayden]

And then after that, Deebo, one more thing. After that, I went and got my brain and body scan. I went and got my hip check. I went and got my hips checked out.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What they find out about that old janky ass hip you got and that hip janky, Debo, where you gonna get that done at, bro?

[Joe Hayden]

Man, listen, I ain't gonna get it done yet because they told me once I get it done, I can't play B. I can't run full court basketball no more, so.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, you gotta have it cut up.

[Joe Hayden]

I got. Man, listen, I'm gonna have to get some. I'm at the. Like, I can do some rehab and stuff, but it's not gonna get. I'm not gonna start back doing my crazy windmills and stuff. I don't think so.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, but windmill of what?

[Joe Hayden]

A windmill dunk. I lie used to go. I Used to go windmill.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You know, you can still windmill. Don't mean you go slamming in a 10 foot basket.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm talking about a 10 foot regulation hoop debo. I was. I can, I could windmill. Not now, not anymore.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No more.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Look here, man. Hey, ladies and gentlemen, we had a great time at Fan Fest over there. Fanatics Fest. Sorry, man, I want to say Fanatics Fest.

[Joe Hayden]

The whole.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

The whole thing. Fanatics Fest. That way everybody know what we're talking about. But shout out Stephanie McMahon for throwing me up on there. Cam Ward, Great interview. Appreciate you stopping out for us, boy. Joe. So I went and I did body work. As soon as I left, okay, New York, I flew to la, you know, so I could take care of my body. You went just running around gallivanting, not taking care of that old janky ass hip you got. I went on here, went straight to la, went to see my guy, Jimmy Bluff. Got body work for about two, three days straight.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay? Boom, boom, boom.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

About 12 hours of work. Three, six, three. Great, great, great. Went from there straight to AZ. Got to AZ. Had to see my trainer, Ian Danny Pep Performance Enhancement Professionals out there in Tempe, Arizona.

[Tab Ramos]

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You understand. Get some more work in. Get some more work running around your hip, janky and everything else. You want to play on golf and you. You can't even get your swing right. Like, probably because that hit.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. I'm gonna get it right, though. I got. I really need to start. Like you saying, people, I gotta start doing the. Like I said, the. The dry needling, the thorough. Gotta start doing it more. Way more often when I stop. That's. You know what I'm saying? They like, it's good. You want to get back.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Joe, Joe, Joe. How do you think this work? You think you eat healthy for a while, then you ain't got to eat healthy for a while and you still go stay healthy. No, it don't work like that, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

My. My body maintain his maintenance.

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Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

And I'm 5 11. And I found. I was 5 11. I told you, 180 pounds.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I told you what. No, you weren't no 6 foot and you 5 11.

[Joe Hayden]

But I grew because when I went to the. When I was in the combine, you

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

just said you six foot. Now you saying you grew, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

You was so.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You was actually five, five ten something.

[Joe Hayden]

I was five ten and seven eights at the combine. And I was trying to tell you that I grew six. So I knew I was.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, they just didn't measure it Completely straight there. Because they was like, you know what? We go just give you the average. We go, say it's 5:11 because you was. You was. You was actually 5:10 and, and, and, And a little bit over half. So he said, I'm gonna just give you 5 11.

[Joe Hayden]

What?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's your doctor?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, man, I can't even. 5 11.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

185 11. 180.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, Joe, I'm just. I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying to tell you, man, now, after I got back, I ain't gonna lie, I ain't really do much or nothing.

[Joe Hayden]

Then good.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I did a little charity event. I think it was Sunday, so. No, it was that. No. What's today? Friday.

[Joe Hayden]

Friday, bruh.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

31st of July. I'm tripping.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So it might have been like a couple days ago. I went and did some. It was at the zoo or something. Presley Ridge, I think they do a lot of things to help families, kids, adoption, all that other st was great, great organization. But let's go on ahead and see what happened with your boy over there. And. Well, I guess. I guess it's Philly. Is it Philly? Where'd your boy LeBron go?

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, you know, where Braun went wrong. Went to Philly, so. But this is. Let me break it down to Debo.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you.

[Joe Hayden]

This, this is the. This is the. The.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You sound a little echoey, that's all.

[Joe Hayden]

I was sad, honestly, at first. Initial thoughts. I wanted him to come back to Cleveland, obviously. You know, I wanted him to come back to Cleveland because of the. Because of the court size seats and the connection that we have out there. I wanted us to be able to go there and be able to kick it with Braun.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hold up, hold up. Who is us?

[Joe Hayden]

I wanted it. I wanted it more.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Who was us? Who was us?

[Joe Hayden]

Us is me, you, and the city of Cleveland.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay, okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. That's why when I say us. But I wanted Brian to come back to Cleveland, I initially was just shocked and hurt because I'm like, damn. I wanted it for me, selfishly.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I ain't gonna lie, Joe. I looked at your story. I think I might. I think it was some tears.

[Joe Hayden]

I was. I was. I was sad. I was sad, honestly, genuinely, just because I wanted him to come back. I knew this was probably going to be his final time to see Braun. Just no matter what anybody says about LeBron, love him or hate him, he's eventually going to leave the league. So he said this is going to Be his last decision. This is going to be his last team. I would have hoped to just been able to go to the Cavs games in the land knowing how much they love him and having them a chance to win the championship because they do have a mob and he's coming for the low. He wasn't going to have to like, take no other parts. And I. When I see that he signed there for 4 million, for $8 million, I'm

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

like, Dude, he signed for vet men.

[Joe Hayden]

Fine, for vet men. So that's when you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I ain't gonna lie, Joe.

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That's why.

[Joe Hayden]

But that's why, Debo. This, this move for me is really like. That's why I'm just like.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It's.

[Joe Hayden]

It's. Whatever Braun wanted to do, I was happy where Brown wanted to go. It's your decision, Brian. You've been playing the league. You've done everybody justice.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So why do you think he went to Philly then?

[Joe Hayden]

Because they got the squad. They have a mob and it's not like they were already been winning championships. He wasn't have to go to the warriors and playing with Steph Curry though. They already won some stuff go to San Antonio. Oh, no, they already won. He didn't go back to Miami. I thought that was going to be one that would have been a smooth one with Giannis. The new squad they got. But I think Philly just looking at the roster and then they got Jaylen Brown also just the players. Tyrese Maxey, the rookie vj. Joel Embiid just brought in Jaylen Brown. And then you add in Braun and don't have to take away no pieces. So if you're just looking at that mob right there, that, that five, that's an unbelievable five. I don't care what anybody's talking about. The only thing they have to worry about is Joel Embiid's health. You know what I'm saying? So Joel Embiid's health, but with this team knowing what you got to do, just make it to the playoffs. You have Joel Embiid on a real schedule where he's playing well. I don't know. His schedule is going to look crazy. He might not be playing that many games. Half the at max. Just making sure that when we get to the playoffs, we get to the end. It sounds crazy, but last season was the first season he didn't get have to have to come off for like a surgery or something. So I'm looking at Philly like they got a stacked mob. Tyrese Maxey is Unbelievable. Jaylen Brown additioned to this team like he's one of the top 10 players in the league. And with addition with Bron and knowing that Bron now doesn't have to be going crazy averaging 30, you got so many buckets on your team and now you could just be passing. LeBron always been good at passing. Now Ron spotting up, being able to set people up. It looks crazy.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hey, hey, listen, let me slow you down a little bit because this podcast right here is going out and people are. Cleveland are seeing this.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[Todd Monken]

And

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Dan Gilbert, Daniel, he probably is going to see this. And right now, to me, it's sounding like you're a full fledged Philly fan. So when you try and get those court sized seats that you've been getting blessed with, I want you to remember these words you were saying.

[Joe Hayden]

This is, this is what I am making a basketball analysis. I'm still rooting for the Cleveland Cavaliers. The Cleveland Cavaliers are my basketball squad. That's my team. I want them dudes to win the championship. I think they're going to.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

I think they're going to meet, hopefully. So you want Brian to lose if it comes down. I don't want them to have to put me in, if they put me in this situation, that's going to be the tough situation to be in. But I would love to have to be in that situation to figure it out.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It's, it's, it's, it's Philly.

[Joe Hayden]

And that's what you call a win win situation for me.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Who do you want to win? It ain't no, ain't no such thing as a win win situation, Joe. I ask you right now. We got Cleveland Browns and we got the Pittsburgh Steelers going against each other. And whoever win that, go win the Super Bowl. I know who you want to win. Who you want to win it.

[Joe Hayden]

It's impossible. Well, the Browns, because they ain't. We ain't got one.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

We need one first.

[Joe Hayden]

Y' all being stingy. Y' all got two. No share the. Well, Browns need one before y' all need another one, that's for sure. So I'm definitely gonna go deal with that.

[Todd Monken]

Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Now, Philly Cleveland in the Eastern Conference finals the same way the Browns and the Steelers are going to be in the AFC Championship. So if I'm going to watch and both. Whoever plays better deserves to. I'm rooting for both. Oh, it's good battle. It's good ball. Good ball. Oh, who's playing good?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hey, hey, hey, Mr. Mr. Gilbert, remember, he wants to see whoever plays best win. He don't want to see your Cleveland Cavaliers win that he says he's from the land of your fans that say

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[Tab Ramos]

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[Joe Hayden]

when Braun gets out the league. Once Bron leaves the league, we only have Bron a little bit longer.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You don't want Cleveland to have. You want Brian to have it, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

Braun leaves the league all Cavs. All Cavs.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's the squad you talking about so many. Brown done went to, what, 10 of them? He got three of them before him? Something like that. What are you talking about?

[Joe Hayden]

That's it.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Share the wealth. What you talking about, man? Listen, you told me we can't get one because we already got six. You clearly need one before.

[Joe Hayden]

Before.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Before Pittsburgh get another one, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

Talking about the Browns. See, now when you talking about the Cavs, Bron already went and delivered one for the Cavs. So that's why I'm not even.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So why can't they get one without him? You don't want them to. You don't want to see them succeed. I do want to see what you

[Todd Monken]

see what he is.

[Joe Hayden]

I was rooting for them versus the Knicks with all I had, and we got swept. And I was still standing out there on my 10. Let's go, Cavs. Let's go, Cavs.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay, but again, as I said, Philly, Cleveland. The winner wins a championship. Who you want to win? I just want the best team to win, man. Listen, man, y' all know what Joe is, man.

[Joe Hayden]

For the next two seasons, there's 31 other team name, any other team.

[Todd Monken]

Okay?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So here. So you with Brian. Brian, you were Brian. So Philly gonna Win a championship, right?

[Joe Hayden]

I did not say that. I'm not asking you there.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It could happen. Philly gonna win the championship, man.

[Joe Hayden]

They're going to be. They're going to be in the Easter Conference finals for sure.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

This is crazy, Joe. This is crazy. I ain't never seen. I ain't never seen nothing like this thing in my life. Joe, you supposed to be from the land, the. The city that picks you number one, but you hoping and wishing against and praying against them. You ain't even gotta even. You can't even stand on two toes and be like, yo, not even two toes, and say, I would like to see Cleveland win against Brian. Because I'm from the land. I went there, I was part of. That's all me. Mr. Gilbert, he helps me. He gives me. I'm courtside. He don't pick me up and throw me in the back row.

[Joe Hayden]

But you can't even do that. Let me tell you something, Debo. I can't let that sway my visual of what I've been seeing going on the Cavs this off season. We didn't make any changes, and we got swept by the Knicks last year.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I didn't say who could win. I said, who would you want to win, Joe? I would want.

[Joe Hayden]

I would want.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Who would you want to win in that situation? That's what I'm saying, Joe. I can answer every situation. If you put the Pittsburgh Steelers in it, against. I don't care who it is other than Jesus Christ, I want Pittsburgh's.

[Joe Hayden]

What about if? What about if? What about if? Like, what about if Dick LeBeau was coaching the other team?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Coaching the other team? Yes, he was. The Titans.

[Joe Hayden]

You all right?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You damn right. The Steelers.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. All right.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Love a man to death.

[Joe Hayden]

It's just. You know what? It's different because it's basketball, too. I didn't play. I didn't. I didn't play. Oh, my goodness. And it's Braun. It's Braun. It's LeBron. It's my favorite player.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Sue me. God, you gonna get sued in a minute. When you go to go over there and get them tickets, you gonna feel

[Joe Hayden]

like he done sued you when he

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

give you the price that he giving everybody else.

[Joe Hayden]

I got fellow Braun fans like me that know what I'm talking about.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Who in the chat know what Joe talking about? Anybody. Anybody in chat know what you're talking about, bro? Nobody.

[Joe Hayden]

They do.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

They said X.

[Joe Hayden]

No, they do.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Is Brian, then the land, then Mr. Gilbert.

[Commercial Announcer]

Wow.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's what they're saying.

[Joe Hayden]

Mr. Gilbert. In there like that, man. Don't. Don't do that.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You put me. Hey, listen, I'm just telling you, that's what they're saying. I'm not saying this. I'm saying what's being said. I'm saying what you're doing. Like they say. I can show you better than I could tell you. You showing me what it is.

[Joe Hayden]

You put me in a sticky situation.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I ain't putting you in a sticky situation, man. I'm just. I'm just putting you in like that's what it is.

[Joe Hayden]

It's not even sticky. It's not even sticky. It's not even sticking.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It's clean and cut. You asked me about Dick Le Bow, the man I credit for my career. If there's no Dick LeBeau, there's no James Harrison like all that. And if they got Dick LeBeau up against the Pittsburgh Steelers. It's the Pittsburgh Steelers, Joe.

[Todd Monken]

Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

The thing. You feel the same way, okay? That's why I still. That's why it's me with the Browns. It's gonna be. It's gonna be the Browns. Then

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

what about. What about the Cavs?

[Joe Hayden]

It's just the cat.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It ain't gonna be the Cabs. Huh?

[Tab Ramos]

You ain't got.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You ain't got that much love for the cast. That's. That's what I understand.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you don't.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You. You showing me, man, you're worried LeBron

[Joe Hayden]

has a short amount of time still left to play in the league.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

LeBron never played 100 years, man.

[Joe Hayden]

The Cavs are going to still be existing way after LeBron James is done. So for him to still be able to play for two more years, I'm gonna give him. That's my man. I'm gonna watch him. I'm embracing what he got. Cause the cast. I could be a cast fan. When bronze come and Kyrie's came, We got Donovan Mitchell, we got James Harden.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hey, listen, listen, listen, listen. I can. I. I can go ahead and root for somebody. I can want to see them do great and do good. I can hope that they do great and do good. They could do great and do good. But I don't want you to do so great and so good that you beat my team. I hear you, Joe. I want to see you shine, but not at the dispense of a loss. I'd rather see Dick LeBeau go out there and shut us out in the kickoff and punt return, give up two touchdowns.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

But we gotta win, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

I got what I. I hear you.

[Tab Ramos]

I hear You.

[Joe Hayden]

I hear you. It's just.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Man, listen here, man. Let's go on here and talk about this stellar thing, man. We reported the camp over here. What was that on Tuesday? We got three. We got three on the, on the, on the pup list. Little nephew, Joey Porter Jr. He on, he on the public. Hey, my, My man back flared up during conditioning after conditioning. I. Hey, I, I think I know what could solve that. That back flare. And, and Jalen, he. I guess he had a little knee issue from minicamp. That is. That's still going around. And what's that? A seventh round pick. Dante Kent, db. Yeah, that's what it's looking like right now. Listen, man, I don't know. I don't know what's going on. They said it's a couple weeks on Jalen, so I think he'll be all right. They're saying it's not a big deal, just time, but little peasy, I think, you know, I think that, I think, I think, you know, you help us back out a little bit if, you know, if things was. Get a little. Get a little better. You know what I'm saying? If you get that, get them numbers right, I think my man back might start. Start feeling a little better, you know. And then the big news though, the great news we got is Broderick Jones is back. So after eight months. Eight months after sustaining a shocking season ending neck injury, offensive tackle Broderick Jones took the field as St. Vincent many St. Vincent's camp. After that, he was medically cleared for practice. I guess right now they're working him and with the twos at the

[Joe Hayden]

left

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

and right tackle, I guess from the last two practices that we had. And they see him hopefully being able to get back to a starter level. Joe, that is a great thing. But 100 cleared and 100. It's two different things. Will you.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm like, it's great news, you know, Great news because you never know. Like when we said, we talked about the neck and I saw though Samuel, our corner, our corner, Sante Samuel Jr. He had the same surgery and they had the same agent. So we ended up meeting with him. And Sante Sammy Jr. Is out there flying around, you know what I'm saying, looking good. So it's just giving me hope that, you know, Broderick, he's trying. And what I realized and what I loved about his interview though Debo, is he understands the realization of the business of the game, understands that there's a reason why, like it was, he was in it with Danny with Dan Moore, you know what I'm saying? Like, just being able to see the league for what it is, knowing, like they're not just throwing you out, but you got to show, you know what I'm saying? Because anybody can get hurt at any minute. And so I'm just loving that he's being able to be back out there. He's accepted to the fact that, like, it's. He's not taking any hard feelings. Like, oh, no, like, why would they not accept my 5th year option? It's a business. He understands he got hurt. There's a lot of this big investment in there, so you just got to be able to go out there, improve that. You can still be able to play at a starting caliber. So I think his mindset, just him trying to. Knowing that I got to get him being 300 pounds, he says he got to put up a couple more, 15 more pounds because he wasn't able to do anything for like three months. So just his mindset, his mental, him understanding what's going on, the depth of the line, us being able to have linemen because people are going to get hurt. It's a very long season. So being able to know, like, him being able to get max reps, being able to get other guys reps in different positions and just as chugging along, just knowing that he has that mindset where he knows that he wants to go out there, he knows that he can start. McCarthy spoke on him like he's a starting caliber dude, but just knowing that I'm happy that he's getting cleared, he's able to get onto the field. So we just going to be able to watch his progressions as he goes, right?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, they're going to, you know, obviously working back into it slow so he don't get no setbacks. That's the whole reason, you know, they have a little bit of a rotation going there. Also, as we talked about. I'm messing. I'm trying not to. Ehana Shore. That's it. As I say, right? Maxi Honey Shore, they actually started to work him in with some of the first team, so he's getting some first team reps in there, too. And then basically the, you know, the opening lineup for the offense was what it was, you know, through OTAs and minicamp. I think it's Troy and it's Isaac, Zach, Mason and Cook on the other side. So, yeah, I don't. I'm trying to tell you, man, I think. I think we're gonna be good. I'm feeling real Good. As long as he's able to work back, you know, and. And it's no setbacks, you know, I feel like. I feel like we could be real good. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see, we'll see. Another big thing I think people are talking about is, I guess Mike McCarthy said it would be no live tackling. Like, they saying, like, no tackling.

[Joe Hayden]

Like.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And like, listen, what y' all gotta understand is you don't actually need to tackle somebody to the ground. When you say live, that means I'm. I'm racking you down to the ground and we going full go. What we do a lot is thud up, hit, rap, release. So you break down, you hit, you wrap, you release, and you let them continue to run. You're just not taking people to the ground. They not actually not go do any, like, tackling of any sort. That just don't make no sense. Like, Joe, what. What did you take from it? Because they're like, yo, they're not tackling.

[Joe Hayden]

I think it's a lot of it,

[Tab Ramos]

like you said, too.

[Joe Hayden]

It's the safety. They're not going to be doing the tackling to the ground because a lot of that. What we would do, tackling to the ground, it was the nine on sevens. It's inside. People are rolling up on each other every single time it happens. So when you get into the position where it's just now thudding up, getting yourself into that position, basically, if you don't, you. You have to stop that man's forward momentum. You have to be able to speed him up. You got to put pads on pads. So there's like, you're not just diving around on people's legs and trying to do that. So I think thud up and doing thud drills is the same thing as making sure that you can get into that position. Making sure you actually put your. Making sure you stop their forward progress and then you let them go for pursuit and all of that. So most of the time when we're saying people are doing live tackling, it's not for that long of the practice. It's a period, right? And dudes are getting hurt, three, four dudes in those seven plays. So it's like, how about we just really just throw people up, get into the right positions? Because sometimes it's not helping us as more than it's hurting us.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, I think. I think thudding up actually gets you in a better position to be able to make more secure and Tackles, because now you have to get in there, you have to bend down, you have to put your head exactly where it should be and hit and wrap. It's no longer. Let me get there and dive at it. No. Like, I got to be ready to put that force into him so I can stop his momentum and. And. And drive him back and then wrap up so I can secure it so he can't spin out of that tackle. So, yeah, I'm.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I don't trip on.

[Joe Hayden]

That was harder for the dbs, because I'm like. When I see him right there, that's. This is what. This one. I go do my part while I go shoot his legs out and wrap them up. Now they're like, no, Joe, you got to square them up.

[Martha (Kohler Ambassador)]

Boom.

[Joe Hayden]

And I'm getting embraced. I'm like, okay, boom. I got him. So you know what I'm saying?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So it's.

[Joe Hayden]

You got to get yourself in that position for sure.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, definitely. I guess they went at Aaron Rodgers again, asking him. I guess he dismissed any idea that he might decide to come back for another season. He said, no. Zero debate zero. He said, I thought last year might be it. And then Mike got hired, talked to my wife, and she said, you can do another year. I said, well, we'll see if it works out. And then it kind of all came together. DK was up before him, though, and DK was like, you know what? It's early in the year, you know, it's too early to make a decision. You know, he might not even get. He was like. He might not even get banged. No, he said. He said he might not even get a hit or touched. Like, you know, like, he might not get. No, that ain't gonna happen.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, bruh.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Like, he might not even get hit or touched. Come on, dk, man. Stop that, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I'm loving. Hey, I'm loving what a Rod's saying. No, no point for debate this year. He was already kind of trying to figure out if he wanted to stay open. So it's final swan song. You got your coach out here, you got your receivers, y' all running back, you and DK fresh. You know what I'm saying? Last year was quick. You didn't really know each other. Get to know each other really well. And now listen.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, they rooming together again.

[Joe Hayden]

They said, yep, let's go. Let's go. And I'm a Rod for sure, because there's all of that off season stuff where you can do what you want to do. But it gets annoying to where everybody like, what's everybody going to do? He's going to come back, he's going to stay, he's going to go, he's going to come. Is it going to be. And you have your time. As soon as the season ends, you get to chill. You get your time to be able to make those decisions. But knowing now, like, soon as the season's over, guys like all of that, that's a lot of noise. And he was doing it for the last two years. So I can only imagine just people constantly being on your head and then just being able to be like, this is my final season. I'm about to go give him all. I'm ready for it.

[Martha (Kohler Ambassador)]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah. I like it. Like, dude, I'm trying to tell you, man, listen, we're worst case. Worst case for me 134 which case for me, Joe 13 worst case.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not mad at the Debo just because everybody's sleeping on the Stillers. For real.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Go ahead, y' all Go ahead and sleep. Slumber slump Sleep like Sleeping Beauty did Prince ain't nowhere in sight I'm just trying to tell you.

[Martha (Kohler Ambassador)]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm a car to running practices.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No a no question. Let's the man. Let's go on up over here to your. Let's go up north a little bit, man. Over here to Cleveland, man. I guess y'.

[Tab Ramos]

All.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Y' all actually y' all quarterbacks and y' all rookies reported on the 23rd.

[Tab Ramos]

Yep.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And then y' all vets reported Tuesday. So it wasn't even like a full team practice till Wednesday. Like, like, why you got your quarterbacks up there reporting like six days early? Like Joe, what's.

[Joe Hayden]

What's going on? Like, why that is the most important position on the team. And we had some young quarterbacks and we got a quarterback that's coming off some injuries and has some stuff to prove by making the with the big contract and they're trying to put their best foot forward. I love it. Get in there. Quarterbacks, you should not leave. That's why you make $65 million a year. This is not a on season off season job. I'm loving.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Get.

[Joe Hayden]

Get your ass in there. I need you to know not only what the quarterback does, you got to know what all the linemen do. You got to know what all the receivers do. You got to know what the running backs do. And then the checks. You need to know all of the checks. And after you do that, now the defenses, what are they doing? How do you recognize what these checks are? It's a whole lot more that quarterbacks have to deal with than receivers, than running backs, than linemen. The cornerbacks Cover two always going to be Cover two. Cover four going to be Cover four Cover three is going to be cover three so as soon as I learn all this episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever think about switching insurance companies to see if you could save some cash? Progressive makes it easy to see if you could save when you bundle your home and auto policies. Try [e-mail] Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates. Potential savings will vary. Not available in all states.

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[Joe Hayden]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[Martha (Kohler Ambassador)]

Kohler, the global design leader in luxurious kitchen and bath products, came to me and said, martha, we need an ambassador for our timeless, elegant, durable cast iron products. I said, I'm in. Now let me see the factory. Weeks later, I was suited up in coveralls and work boots, walking through their Kohler, Wisconsin cast iron foundry. I stood next to the molten iron furnace, saw the hand applying enamel and touched the gorgeous finished products waiting to be sent out into the world. Since 1883, Kohler cast iron products have been forged and finished by the incredible craftspeople right in Kohler, Wisconsin. I'll tell you, I gained a newfound respect and appreciation for Kohler's cast iron craftsmanship. So now I am lending my discerning stamp of approval to my most beloved Kohler cast iron products for their durability, beauty and timelessness. Shop my Kohler Cast Iron favorites curated on Kohler.com bring the warmth, character and enduring style of these timeless products into your kitchens and bathrooms. As the Kohler cast iron ambassador, I say long live cast iron.

[Tab Ramos]

This is Tab Ramos from inside American Soccer. And this summer, topgolf is turning into the ultimate soccer destination. They're not just throwing games on in the background. Topgolf is going all in on soccer. They've got a new soccer themed game you can play with your group. Special in venue activations, exclusive food and drink items inspired by the global game. And at more than 60 locations. They've even installed full size soccer goals so you can try to hit golf balls right into the net. And every match all summer long will be on throughout the venue. So it's a great place to watch with friends, hang out, compete a little bit and enjoy the atmosphere. And if you want to keep the fun going all summer, you can get the topgolf summer fun pass which lets you play every single day and bring up to five guests every visit. Get yours [e-mail] FunPass Summer hits different at TopGolf.

[Joe Hayden]

My jobs and we throwing blitzes and all of that stuff, but as a corner, I got steel cup of three. There's going to be somebody replacing my job unless I blitz. There's only certain things that can happen. So then I start studying offense route concepts and that's. You become so much smarter and that's why older quarterbacks, they don't have to be fast. You just got to know what that. You got to know what's going on. Like you walking out there, you're processing information and that's how when corners get better, you don't, the defenses don't change. They're not going to invent new, like really new plays. Seven routes, post routes, slant routes, fade routes. All of the routes are the same routes. The route tree has been the route tree. So once you start learning the game and you start learning what you got to do as a quarterback, you got to learn with the offensive linemen, the receivers, the running backs, learn what the defense is doing. Why are they doing this. You start getting more comfortable and the more comfortable you get, the slow they say, oh, the game started slowing down for me around year three. Game started slowing down for me around year four. The quicker you can learn what's going on and you got your job under control. I know what I'm doing, I know what checks I gotta make. Then you start going against the defense. Then you start making them. You start manipulating people to go to where you want them to go. So with the quarterbacks coming in, they're Young, they have stuff to prove. Todd Monken is like this, y'.

[Todd Monken]

All.

[Joe Hayden]

We don't have as. Do we have a quarterback in on the team that's making $45 million a year, but we don't have a franchise quarterback in this building right now that I feel like that can prove itself. That knows what he got going on. Everything is. Everybody in here can be taught, you know what I'm saying? Don't think you're too smart and you know too much. No, no.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I mean, I was under the assumption he believed he had a possible two franchise, but that's.

[Joe Hayden]

Look this. He's a possible two franchise, but haven't played like it in the last three years. Haven't put it on tape last season. Like you coming in off of a, oh, All Pro Pro bowl, like the offensive player of the year season, like. No, no, no. There's none of that. All y' all gotta come in here and can't. You can't tell me that you know something yet. Because what I've seen last year, what I've been looking at, ain't gonna get the job done. You know what I'm saying? So come in here six days early with the rookies and go through and watch. Let's get this installed. And when we. When the rest of the team come, we gonna redo the install quarterback. Now, y' all just know. Y' all are learning it.

[Todd Monken]

You.

[Joe Hayden]

You're not learning it.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You're giving my extra six days. I understand what you're saying, Joe. To do some more evaluation.

[Tab Ramos]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

You try to blow my poison. That's what I'm saying. We need that.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I understand, Joe. I understand. You know, I just got to give you hell. You know, I just. That's just.

[Joe Hayden]

That's just.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's just what I do.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying? I got to do a little something

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

here and there, and it looked like y' all pup list it. Damn. You ain't got no pup.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep. Everybody out there. Everybody out there.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

You know. How'd that go?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Huh?

[Joe Hayden]

Boys out there. Because you know, because you know why? Because you know why.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Why is that, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Because them boys out there paying for. Huh like that, that, that. Not yet, y'.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

All. I ain't gonna lie. Y' all trying to make it tough, you know, Y' all trying to make it tough on us, y'.

[Commercial Announcer]

All.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I have to do that. First off, y' all gave Dale pick three year, 48 million with 36 guaranteed. Okay? And then right before y' all gave him that Y' all ended up giving Denzel Ward. This the problem. You gave that man two year extension for 62.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

52 guaranteed.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What you're doing.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir. Deservingly. So we doing the right thing. We're trying to build. We got rid of he damn near 40. Joe, he's not. Denzel Ward is 29 years old. He's 29 years old, has only played eight years in the league. He's basically signed that two year extension. Denzel Ward has done what I call a master class. Only thing that they could give a knock about Denzel Ward is his injuries. He's had some concussions, he has some soft tissues. And then during COVID he had four games that he missed for Covid. But when Denzel Ward is on the football field, he's a all pro every time. His technique, his tackling, his smarts, his ball skills. So he's been doing nothing. And you know what Denzel Ward does? He stays out the way. You don't hear anything about Denzel Ward besides him coming to work and doing his job. Only thing is that he might be a little injury prone, but that's. You can't. Some of the stuff you can't help. He had a couple of cushions and a couple of soft tissues. But when I look at Denzel, you

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

can help a concussion get your neck

[Joe Hayden]

strong man, listen, I hear you. But he got, he's. He's been out there for eight seasons. He's had five pro bowls, he's been all pro three times, and he's been nothing but. And he stays out the way. So he's balling, he's staying out the way. And this is what you do. He signed a five year, $100 million contract. He's been out playing that contract. So Debo, when he gives them, when he gives them this extension, he has two years left on his deal. This is just adding two more years. So now they got Denzel for a four year, $94 million that's averaging out for the next four years at $23 million to him. And the team looks good because he gets a raise. But now they get. He gets two more years of guaranteed money. He had no more guaranteed money on his last contract. And it's a bump up for him and the team's good. And he gets two more years guaranteed. And then if he has two more years of non guaranteed money, making around $22 million a year. So it works out for Denzel, it works out for the Browns. You keep a amazing player that's still playing at a high level with just a two year extension. So they gonna have him until he's 33 years old. And I'm loving it for the Browns. They did it the right way. Denzel did it the right way. And he's from. Straight from. When I left there, they drafted Denzel Ward and he done took it and ran with it.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah. You making it tough on us over here, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on. That's smart. That was smart, man.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Had two more years left. Y' all could have waited till next year to do that.

[Joe Hayden]

They just did. They did right now.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, you could. You could have. Y' all know what y'.

[Joe Hayden]

All. Miles got up out of there and they. And then. So they left some. There was still money.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

They had some bread left on the table now, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

Take care of the guys.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Y' all had a visitor, though. Coach Prime. Coach prime came up, brother, I guess he was up there yesterday and he was talking to the coach. He gave him some insight, they said, you know, gave him some. Gave him some insight. Here's the crazy thing, man. You. You guy. Todd Monkey, when they asked him, he was like, it was really cool. Deion Sanders, Are you kidding me? Forget that.

[Joe Hayden]

He's just Dora's dad.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I mean, first of all, he did an unbelievable job with Shadora. Great kid and obviously an elite football player, hell, baseball player. And then as a coach, I mean, wow. Everything that he's achieved, that's. That. That was awesome. Then he went on to say he gave him a little bit of insight, but we were up against it. The general manager, Andrew Barry, was next. Was next. So I had to give him up to Andrew. So there was some back and forth as to being about Shador in terms of how he processes personal wise and I think competitive wise. He got. He got into it at the end in terms of what makes him tick, which was good. It was. It was all good. But we've seen most of that. Most of what he said, we've been able to see now we're. Now we haven't gotten to the games yet. That's a different animal. But at this point, what he talked about, I would have said, no, that's how we've seen it. That sound like to me what sound

[Joe Hayden]

like to you, Debo?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It sounds like starting quarterback.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm just saying that's what that sounds like. Hey, man. Sir. Hey.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It sounds like she does starting calling back. But I ain't gonna that again. That's, you know, you know me. That's just Me, that's just me, because I, you know, I do what I do. But when they asked him about the, you know, the quarterback competition, he said, this right here, we got, we got it right here.

[Todd Monken]

Yeah, nothing's really changed. We anticipate alternating. First of all, four quarterbacks are going to compete. They all won't get equal reps. Obvious. We will alternate just like we did in the spring. Desean and Shador with the ones. The easiest way for me to say that, and it still won't stop you from asking, not you particularly, but everybody in general is the first game. We're going to have to have a start of the first game. Right? I mean, ultimately, I'm not going to decide who the starter is. They decide by their play. Their play decides who the starter is. I don't, I don't have any preconceived notions of how they played in the past or how they're to going to play. I only can with my eyes judge and, and guys got to play well around them. I think we've shored up some things up front. We've added some weapons on the perimeter, so I think that's going to help. But they'll decide who plays. I, I don't decide who plays. A player's decide who plays.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Would you. What you, what you, what you take from that? You know me, I like to read them between lines. You know, I don't even. I just, I like to read the lines. I just read the lines there. Like that was just. That was the lines. That was what he said out of his mouth. So I'm just. Where, where do you see. Who do you see being the starting quarterback? I'm just going off of. I don't even know what happened. I know they was keeping the tracker going or who was throwing picks, who was throwing, who was making completions. And your boy was leading in the pick category. Shador was leading in the completion category and in the touchdown category. So I'm just trying to figure out where you see, where you at with this.

[Joe Hayden]

First and foremost, the first thing was when Deion Sanders arrived. I respect and love that Todd Monken is acting like a human being. Like that is Deion Sanders, you know what I'm saying, is respecting his career, that it's the father of Shador, you know what I'm saying? Just not trying to act like being submissive of Deion because that's when people like you don't have to be all impressed. But at the same time, Deion Sanders was a coach he did coach his son. He did coach is a Hall of Fame football player in the Hill and then was the coach of his son in college football and did good at Colorado. So just from the respect factor, I just love the way that he was being a human being and was like, damn, that is Deion Sanders. Secondly, when he talks about both of them are going to be getting reps, I think that Shador Sanders is going to probably win the job through this, through. Through. Through training camp. I think that Todd Monkin is being honest where this is the thing. If it was up to the coach, then he. I think he wants to put the best player out there to play. If this is it going to be someone that goes over his head, is ownership going to step in and say, hey, look, we're paying this man this money and I think that he should be the first one to go out there. I don't know. You know what I'm saying? So if it's Todd Monk is saying this from a legitimate space where, boom, best player is going to best, best quarterback is going to take the job. We're going to have them equal reps. We're going to see what desean looks like. We're going to see what. We're going to see what Shador looks like. We're going to go into preseason and these reps are legitimately going to be what makes it happen. Does he throw picks? Is he looking people off? Does he know how to run the offense? Who's making. Who's making our offense look like it's a professional offense? So I think that Shador is going to win the job, but I don't know if there's going to be the powers that be that might step in and be like, look, he's getting that bread. We're still paying him, so I would want him to start.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's. So if it's close, who do you think starts?

[Joe Hayden]

If it's close, I, I would want. I would want your door.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I got 61, half a dozen other. Who.

[Joe Hayden]

Who.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's what they looking at. Like, ah, I don't think it's gonna be close like that. Just from how it started off training

[Joe Hayden]

camp, I don't think it's gonna be close.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, I don't. I don't think it's gonna be cool. But if it's close for me, I'm sure though, I just got to go with Shadow. He's younger. He's. He gonna have more time to improve and. And learn. Learn through the process. But I'm just saying, just from how complimentary he was of Coach Prime. I'm just like, yo, I just feel like, hey, we can't, we can't go no other way. The pedigree tell me I got to go that way. But just, you know, just, just from the conversation, Joe, I'm.

[Joe Hayden]

I think that when Tom Monkey says that, I mean definitely him respecting Coach prime, but it's going to be on the football field. I'm not, I think that Shador, if it's by. If it's a real competition and the coaches know and the players know, they're going to see there's going to be ways when like this now somebody's playing, he's playing better than the other quarterback. This like when we say even I don't know where they give. I think somebody's gonna, I think she goes. Gonna have to show that he's looks winning outright.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Outright. I would.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

All right. That's a big word. All right. It's like, okay. I could look and just say, all right, it's done. Like right now, just looking at what I was seeing from how they were tracking all this stuff. Yeah, it ain't, it's a no brainer. Like right now, like the first few days of practice is a no brainer. Unless, you know, and unless he just, you know, he got, he got, unless Watson got to warm up for the first couple days and then, you know, he come through. But that, that ain't what his number's been showing. That ain't what he's been showing the last. Whatever time it was that he was healthy before he ended up getting hurt. But like he said, he gonna let the preseason. Maybe he get into the. What if he get into the game and just strike out? He just like go crazy getting the game and he, you know, he played good, but why he getting there and he, he just go crazy. What would you, what you gonna do then? You only got three preseason games now, remember, he strike out on the first two. You know you ain't gonna play your starter, whoever go, whoever you're looking at starting for, for the third game because you worried about him getting hurt.

[Joe Hayden]

It's, it's, it's gonna be more than these games too, Debo. I'm telling you, leading up to, you know, a training camp, when it's going ones versus ones, twos, situational footballs, like when we got a two minute drills, like all of this practice, real practice reps. And when we leave that practice field in the training camp and you go to that Meeting room and you're watching the tape. There's going to be real. What are you looking at here? Where are these balls going? So I think that there's going to be. The coaches are legitimately, like, watching these tapes, watching all these seven on sevens, watching all of these one on ones, watching all the throws, watching the way that they manage the offense, watching the way they get in and out of the huddle of just being like, how is this going to look? So I think if they're in a real competition, it's going to be coaches putting them in that film that we're not in. We're going to see the preseason. When they get to the preseason games, it's going to be like, all right, show us what you got. But I think the coach is going to have a decision, you know what I'm saying? By second, third week, by second week of training camp, by what is this dude looking like that's going to be 14 practices.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Dude. I know he said going into the first preseason game he's going to have to name a starter. And I'm assuming he's saying that that will be his starter for the start of camp or whatever it's going to be. Obviously, I would think so, but I don't think he gonna have one. I think he gonna be like, well, we're gonna start this person this game and see how it goes and then we're gonna start.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, he not going like that.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm trying to tell you, man. I really feel like that's what it's gonna be, man.

[Joe Hayden]

You're not going like that.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm just, I'm just telling you, man, I. I got.

[Joe Hayden]

I got an itch, man. I got an itch.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I feel like. I feel like that's. That's this.

[Joe Hayden]

That's just because I feel like. Debo, once you get the quarterback, the starting job, how many games it's going to be, what, like at least four, like five games minimum. And if you pull them after five and go for another quarterback, you can't put.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm saying the first preseason game, I don't think that starting quarterback is going to be a starting quarterback. I think they're going to. I think it's going to be. He's going to start this one and then so and so.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And then he'll start the next one and then so and so will rotate in. I don't think they go pick one until after the second game. That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Hayden]

I could feel that I'm U.S. transportation Secretary Sean Duffy. We all get distracted when we drive, whether it's from our phones or kids in the backseat bickering. But how we handle these distractions can

[Tab Ramos]

be a matter of life or death.

[Todd Monken]

Death.

[Joe Hayden]

Before you get on the road for your next road trip, please put your phones on silent and take a mental

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

note to focus on driving.

[Joe Hayden]

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