Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers Growing Impatient with Aaron Rodgers? + Casey Hampton joins

Summary

Nightcap Podcast Summary

Episode: Deebo & Joe – Part 1: Steelers Growing Impatient with Aaron Rodgers? + Casey Hampton joins
Date: May 5, 2026
Hosts: James “DeBo” Harrison (solo this episode; Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson absent)
Special Guest: Casey “Big Snack” Hampton

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Main Theme & Episode Purpose

This Nightcap episode dives into the ever-present rumors around Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers’ supposed impatience, tackles the intricacies of Pittsburgh’s edge rusher contract situation, and features an extended, candid conversation with Steelers legend Casey Hampton. The show maintains its trademark unfiltered, conversational sports analysis, blending NFL contract talk with personal stories and reflections on player development, fatherhood, and life after football.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Deebo’s Birthday & An AARP Public Service Announcement

• [02:54–05:33]
  • Deebo reveals he just turned 48 and humorously pitches the usefulness of an AARP card, breaking the stereotype that it’s only for the elderly:

    “This ain't just for old people. 18 and up, all y’all need this…Car rentals, insurance, everything.” (James 'DeBo' Harrison, 06:09)

• He shares a story about riding a horse named James (his namesake) for the first time on their shared birthday, creating a playful and light-hearted tone for the start of the episode.
  • “Just because I don't do it don't mean I can't do it...I was born to be an animal whisperer.” (James 'DeBo' Harrison, 10:14)
  • Casey chimes in with cowboy banter, amplifying the fun: “Cowboy.” (Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton, 08:42)

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Steelers & Aaron Rodgers: Are the Steelers Impatient or is the Media?

• [11:04–16:50]
  • Deebo addresses headlines suggesting Steelers’ patience is waning with Aaron Rodgers:

    “Why do we even care what he’s doing? He ain’t saying nothing. Only reason the Steelers saying something is cuz y’all keep asking them questions.” (James 'DeBo' Harrison, 12:56)

  • He critiques the media cycle, arguing that all the talk is driven by outside speculation:

    “If you reporters, analysts, whatever you are, stop asking questions and just let it play out. All this deadline stuff—like, just say y’all don’t know…You’ll know when he know.” (James 'DeBo' Harrison, 14:16)

  • Deebo advocates focusing on the rest of the roster and not holding up team development for a maybe-one-year rental:

    “There’s 40-something other guys on the team. Talk about them. Brand new 40 piece. Who are they? What’s the possibility they make the team? All y’all writing about is Aaron Rodgers…” (James 'DeBo' Harrison, 15:00)

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Steelers Edge Rusher Contract Situation: High Stakes for Herbig

• [20:35–29:43]
  • Deebo breaks down Steelers’ edge rusher contracts, focusing on Nick Herbig’s future:
    • Herbig’s agent claims he could be a top-5 edge rusher if starting:

      “I fully believe if Nick was starting full time in the league, he'd be one of the top five best edge rushers in football.” (Herbig’s agent, recounted by James 'DeBo' Harrison, 21:36)

    • Compares existing contracts:
      • Alex Highsmith: $20M/year, no guaranteed money, not a FA until 2028.
      • T.J. Watt: Massive guaranteed numbers ($42M/year thru ’27), not likely tradeable.
    • Deebo dissects realistic options:

      “There’s a way it could get done, but we’d have to look at who would trade for Highsmith to clear money to pay Herbig. Nobody’s takin’ on T.J.’s money.” (James 'DeBo' Harrison, 26:38)

    • Lays out the business coldly:

      “If he [Herbig] takes less, he’s just going to be stuck doing the same thing—being three. Everybody want to start.” (James 'DeBo' Harrison, 28:07)

    • Notes Herbig’s realistic market value—likely $16–$20M for a starter, but top-five money “isn’t in the ballpark.”
    • Praises Herbig’s agent’s negotiation tactic:

      “He’s just letting them know where his mind is at and where these numbers go start at, without having to get upset and say, my client’s leaving.” (James 'DeBo' Harrison, 30:30)

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Guest Segment: Casey ‘Big Snack’ Hampton Interview

• [34:11–55:00]

Intro & Background

• Deebo gives Casey a grand introduction, dubbing him “the coldest nose tackle to ever play the game.”
• Lighthearted banter about Casey’s dual Texas homes and his art collection:

  “That’s old, that’s old Pocket Biggie, man... That’s one of my little originals.” (Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton, 34:52)

Steelers Personnel & Draft Philosophy

• Casey discusses GM Omar Khan’s draft work:

  “I think he got the need positions…Definite project with the first-round pick, but it’s about how you develop ‘em. You never know until it happens.” (Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton, 36:06)

• Both reflect on having great coaching during their time, helping develop player potential.

Growing Up Hungry: Casey’s Path & Mindset

• Casey explains the culture of producing NFL players in Galveston, Texas:

  “Where I come from…we had six, seven guys in the NFL at one time. Most people see that as a dream—I always seen that within reach...if you don’t do it, you ain’t steppin’ up to the standard.” (Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton, 41:47)

• Shares when he realized he belonged at the top level thanks to matching up with top talent as a Texas freshman.

Dominance at Texas

• Casey confirms he led Texas in tackles as a defensive lineman for two years running:

  “My last two years in Texas—in tackles. For the whole team, man.” (Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton, 44:21)

• Explains the aggressive defensive philosophy:

  “Our D-line coach—no holding. D-linemen on scholarship too. Go get the ball.” (Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton, 45:38)

Nicknames: How Big Snack & Big Baby Came to Be

• The origin stories for unit nicknames:

  “Kirsty gave me the fake Big Snack name—he told the media...So I really did deny it or say it was true, but after that, it was a wrap...I was snacked from then.” (Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton, 47:23)

Real Talk: Masculinity, Vulnerability, and Fatherhood

• Deebo gets personal about breaking cycles of emotional stoicism:

  “I tell my kids I love them daily. My parents didn’t say it. I don’t teach none of the stuff that I learned growing up, bro, to my kids.” (James 'DeBo' Harrison, 49:53)

• Casey echoes the importance of expressing love and balance:

  “You gotta pour that love into them, man, but they gonna give it back... I believe that wholeheartedly.” (Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton, 51:36)

On Toughness

• Both stress the importance of both affection and unflinching toughness:

  “The softness comes—my thing is, you better fight on the drop of a hat if somebody puts their hands on you.” (James 'DeBo' Harrison, 52:17)
  “It’s okay to lose, bruh. It ain’t okay to run from it.” (James 'DeBo' Harrison, 53:20)

Life After Football & Raising Kids

• Casey shares his son recently graduated with a finance degree, and reflects on giving kids time to figure life out:

  “He just finished college… Give him some time; ain’t no big deal, ain’t no rush, man.” (Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton, 54:09)

• Deebo jokes about supporting “professional college students” and always having a plan for his children.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Aaron Rodgers Fatigue:

  “Y’all keep asking them the same questions, y’all keep getting the same answers!” (James 'DeBo' Harrison, 13:19)

• On Pittsburgh Community & Player Development:

  “It all boils down to how you develop the guys—you never know until it happens.” (Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton, 36:50)

• On Galveston’s Football Standard:

  “We just had a lot of guys go. It was a real thing growing up.” (Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton, 44:04)

• On Breaking Generational Molds:

  “When I grew up, my mom and dad didn’t say it. Now I tell my kids I love them daily.” (James 'DeBo' Harrison, 49:53)

• On the Real World:

  “It’s okay to lose. It ain’t okay to run from it...You’ll get chased the rest of your life.” (James 'DeBo' Harrison, 53:23)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• DeBo’s Birthday & Horse Story: 02:54–10:14
• Aaron Rodgers-Steelers Discussion: 11:04–16:50
• Steelers' Edge Rusher Contracts (Herbig talk): 20:35–29:43
• Casey Hampton Joins: 34:11
• Personnel/Draft Thoughts: 36:01–37:54
• Casey’s Early Mindset/Galveston Roots: 41:47–44:15
• Nicknames Segment: 46:41–48:34
• Fatherhood/Masculinity: 49:53–53:24
• Casey's Son/Life Advice: 54:00–54:58

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Episode Tone

• Down-to-earth, candid, and humorous with honest sports insight and life lessons.
• DeBo and Big Snack aren’t afraid to give tough love, but also advocate strongly for breaking the old-school “tough guy” mold with their own kids.

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Summary Takeaways

This episode of Nightcap goes beyond sports headlines, blending honest NFL contract breakdowns with colorful storytelling and lived wisdom. DeBo dismisses Aaron Rodgers hype to focus on the Steelers’ real roster questions, while Casey Hampton’s stories elevate the conversation to legacy, mindset, and how players can—and should—evolve as fathers and mentors. For football fans and anyone interested in the making of men, leaders, and legacies, this is a can’t-miss episode.

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[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

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[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Good boy.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You want to go that way?

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Yeah, I'm just holding him for now.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I can control this kid.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

All right.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Give me this. Thank you. Thank you very much for what I do. You know, come out, work with him a little bit, you know, go ahead, turn him on around. Hey, that's not what I want to show. Turn that off. My mic was muted. That's not what I want to show. Turn that off. We can get to that later. That's not what I'm talking about. We had a spin around thing happen right here, so I'm showing them something else. I need to get one of these right here. Can you see that? It ain't for just old people. I'm trying to tell you. It's a AARP card. Now, listen. It's cheap, too. Now, it gets you discounts on everything, okay? Like insurance, car rentals, everything. Like, it ain't. It ain't. It ain't just for open. Everybody need this. I'm trying to tell you. Like I tell you, I'm. You know, I'm living out of shack. You know, I'm. I got a one bedroom studio. Everything's set up in one spot. Get all the discounts you can get from this. It ain't just for old people. 18 and older. I'm just letting y' all know that. So don't say, oh, diva. That's for, you know, people, you know, 50 and old, all the other stuff. No, no, it's not. But I just wanted to let y' all know before we get to what they were showing you beforehand. And that was me riding on James. James is my namesake. Don't show the video yet again before I tell you to. James is my namesake. He was named after me because, as Keezel said, he didn't get a bull that was supposed to be named Devo. It's supposed to be an all black bull. Big long horns, solid black, beautiful creature. So we got James. He named James after me because he was born on the same day. James just turned 3. I just turned 48. So this right here is James and I's birthday ride. My first time ever riding a horse and his first time ever being rolled by anybody else. But Kizu. Kizu is the only person that's ever rode it. Play. Yes. It's a beautiful creature. There we go. You see Kizo trying to hold me back right here. You want to go that way? He got the little spoke right there. Trying to keep the training wheels. Give me this. You see, I had. Give it to me. I got this. You know, this ain't it. Is my first rodeo for the day. You know what I'm saying? Just because I don't do it don't mean I can't do it when I

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

go to do it.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Go ahead, turn them on around. You know, it's real simple, you know, put the bridle on it. You know, just turn that thing real easy.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Cowboy.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Riding horses for me. Hi. To a grasshopper.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Cowboy.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Yeah. You know, that's what I do.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Turn them back this way now.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

There you go.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

It's a dream come true for me, man.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

James Keel was hoping, you know, he told me afterwards, he was hoping that James was so. And that crazy and he was gonna get something good. Come on now. That's what he. That's supposed to be my bff and that's, you know, talking for, you know, run this, you know? Yep. Y' all don't know nothing about riding a horse. And y' all want to know something, come see me. I show you how to do it. I. I put it in the plate. I was born to be an animal whisperer. That's what I am saying. I heard in the background she was upset she wasn't getting rolled. Communicate. So what's he saying right now? Put your head down there. Go ahead, get some grass. Get some grass. Okay. You really are whispering. Yeah, I see that. Y' all see that? Let me get a little bit of grass. Hey, come on back up here. All right. Turn it to your dad. See, I wanted to go and try. He. He ain't did no trotting yet. He. You know, he wasn't. He wasn't ready to open him up to do the trot. So, you know, I let him. I guess since it still is his horse, even though it's my. My name sake, I. I let him go ahead. I saved his life. Now, I could have made that horse run straight into him, but I turned. You're natural, man. I guess. You're my new riding partner.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Yeah.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

When you want to go. Let's Going on out here across these country by using woods and things, you know. Hey, listen, now. Listen, listen. Y' all see. Y' all see your boy. He me. I actually. I do whatever it is that need to be done. And it don't matter if it's the first time, the hundredth time, the last time, I'm gonna make it look like I do it all the time. You know, that's what I do. I do the things that need to be done. But the only reason Keeza was filming that, because he thought James was gonna buck me and start acting crazy. And that's the reason he was holding on to the. To the lead rope at the beginning, because he thought it was. It don't. It don't. That's not. That's not how I go that's not how things transpire. I don't allow things like that to happen. In control. They feel that energy. I think I give off. I give off, you know, like that calming. You know, just like. It's just beautiful energy. Like kids, kids. Little kids. Little kids like me, too. Animals, little kids and old people. They all like me. You know what that means? I'm a genuinely good person. Because kids, they don't know how to filter. Animals don't give a damn about filtering. They go. They go figure it out just from the sensing. And old people so stuck in their ways. Listen, I'm trying to tell you I'm. I'm a good dude when I want to be. And I want to be is the. Is the. It's the key thing. So look here, we're gonna jump in this stellar news, and we still. We're still talking about Aaron Rodgers, I guess. The Stillers. It's the Steelers patience with Aaron Rodgers starting to run out. So that's the headline for today off of. What is it? Post Gazette or something like that. After watching. What is it they said after watching two of their expected deadlines come and go and insisting that it isn't the same situation as last year, the Steelers might not be so understanding if this drags on for two more weeks. If. If Aaron. If Rogers hasn't given them a decision by the start of the organized team activities on May 18, their latest deadline, their patience will start to run out into frustration and maybe something more. Listen, I don't. Why. Why are y' all even. Why. Why do we even care what he's doing? Like, he ain't saying nothing. I mean, only reason the Stiller's saying something is because y' all keep asking them questions. I saw another article where they were like, well, maybe they're giving Aaron a timeline or. Sorry, they're. They're putting this contract in play to possibly make it to where it will force him to do something basically to make him be like, yeah, I'm not going there because y' all put this contract on me, and I'm not gonna do it because you're making me do it. You know, maybe go to another team. They're talking about the Cardinals, whatever it may be. My thing is this. We're not. I don't feel like we're waiting on Aaron Rodgers. I feel like if he comes, it's cool. And then that was something else. I could have swore. They said he couldn't even sign until training camp started, like, if he was to sign. So I Don't, dude, I don't know. This fascination with writing and trying to anticipate and guesstimate what Aaron's going to do. Like, he ain't said nothing. The Steelers wouldn't say nothing. If you reporters, analysts, whatever you are, stop asking them questions and just let it play out. That's what it's gonna be. Let it play out. All this deadline stuff. Like, I don't just say y' all don't know. Y' all go figure it. Like, hey, you'll know when he know. But right now what we're doing is we're going to run with the team that we have right now. All y' all writing about is Aaron Rodgers. It's 40 something other guys on the team right now. Talk about them. It's other dudes new, brand new, 40 piece. Talk about them, find out who the hell they are, find out what's the possibilities of them making the team. You writing about a dude that's gonna come back for maybe one year that ain't said nothing to give you anything to write about because y' all think it's gonna give you some eyes on whatever. I'm done. I ain't saying no more about it unless he signs, when he signs, period. Let's roll with that. Like, until then, we're gonna be talking about who is there, who's who, we want to be there, who should be there, who who, or signings all that. And now we got Nick Herbig, his agent.

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It wasn't a bad message, it was actually a good message. He was on the. What's dude's name? He just started a show. Fi. Hoko. The. What's the dude's name? He just started. He was, he was talking to. I can't think of his name. Anyway, his agent, Nick's agent was being asked a question and you know, he basically said that he wanted to be a Steeler for life. He was speaking for Nick because that's what you do. That's what your agent is there for. He's there to speak for you. That way, if anything is said, it's in representation of your agent does represent you, but he's doing what's best for you. So even though you may not want to, even though you may want to sign a deal because you want to be with the team, your agent, your representative is there to make sure that the deal is worth you signing for and it represents what you should represent to that team or the NFL, whatever it may be. So he said that he quote, I fully believe if Nick was a starting full team, was starting full time in the league, he'd be one of the top five best edge rushers in football. That right there says it all. He's letting the Steelers know nicely, daddy. He sees his player as someone that should be paid as a top five outside Russia. And what is the price of that? I don't exactly know what the price of that is, but I'm pretty sure maybe, I don't know, probably in the twenties, something like that. It don't. They don't. It don't. It don't matter. Point of the matter is he is in his last year's contract. Next year he is a unrestricted free agent. Okay? That means he's saying I want my player to be paid starter money. Like there's a reason they have not signed a deal yet. They're working on a deal, but they haven't signed the deal. Why he wants to be paid starting money. Now you gotta look at your starters. You have Alex Heisner he currently has two years left on his deal and he has no guaranteed money left on there. He's not an unrestricted free agent until 28 and he will be 31 at that time. So 26, he's a 20 million dollar cap here. 27, he's a 20 million dollar Cap hit. That's not, that's not that bad. Now when you go to tj, TJ has a lot of guaranteed money left on his contract. TJ has 26 and 27 and I don't see him going anywhere unless they could potentially like get something for him in a trade. Because I don't see anybody taking a 42 million dollar cap hit in each year. So 26 and 27 is 42 million dollars each and that is fully guaranteed. And in 28 he actually has, it's not guaranteed, but he has a roster bonus that is due of 15 million on the third day of the new league season, a new league year. So I hate to say it, in all reality, I would see them releasing him in 28 along with him being, who, 34 at the time. So I don't see, I don't see them doing that when that time comes. So where does that leave us in our ability to sign Herbig? Kind of handicaps the hell out of us, I guess I would say. But there's a way it could get done. And I think the way it gets done is we have to look at the availability of who would want to trade for Heisman to clear money to pay Herbic because nobody's gonna take the TJ money. And like I, I see that as the only way that it's actually possible because now you get something for, you know, Highsmith. You also keep Herbic. And then looking towards the future, you got, you got Sawyer, so now you got Sawyer coming up. And if he develops to the point of what, you know, you guys, or what we hope he could develop to, then when that time come in, what, 28, when it's time to release TJ, then he would be the person to step in. I mean, it's horrible to say, but to be able to read him up, that's the only way I see it being possible. Because he's not, you know, he's not, he's not going to take, it would be, it would be crazy for him to take a deal that's less than what it would be for a starter when you could be free next year unrestricted. And to take anything less, I think it would be handicapping itself. It wouldn't Be better known to sell. If he takes less, then he's. He's going to be stuck doing the same thing he's been doing, which is being three. You know, everybody want to talk. Everybody want to start, rather. So it's going to come down to what they feel like, the Steelers, they feel like is more helpful to the team. So the production of what, you know, Herbic will get you compared to the production of what, you know, Alex gets you, and then the pay of, you know, what you would have to pay, you know, Herbic and what you could get in a trade for Highsmith, because I just don't see anybody being able to take a 42. And in both 26 and 27, and what I think TJ is already, what, 31, 32 right now. So that's where. I don't know. That's where I see it at, but I could be wrong. I don't know. I'm hoping. I'm hoping they could find a way, but that was some big numbers. You got 20 there. They gonna have to give him at least, I would think, 16 to 20 at least for him to consider it. I mean, it's definitely something you would like to get done, so you ain't got to worry about it later on down the line. But as the agent said, I see my client as a top five, not in the top 5%. Not in a top five. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Adam. Top five. What is. What is.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

What's the.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

What's the. Is. Is. Is as. Cleveland. What's his name? Joe's. Joe's homeboy. Y' all know what I'm talking about. Miles Garrett. That's it. Miles Garrett. So what are you making, like 45? Something like that? Like 42, 40. He making something. 40 something. Million dollars. Oh, the dude in Houston, he just made, like. What was it, 40. 40 something? 41, 42. Like, you're. You're talking about minimum. Now it's looking like 30. He talking about 30 top five. I mean, I'm. He ain't gonna get it. I'm just saying. But I'm just. He's just letting them know. He's just letting them know where he's at, where his mind is at, and where these numbers go. Start at without having to, you know, get upset and. And say, you know, my client's leaving. He doesn't want to be here. No, of course he wants to be there. Everybody wants to spend their whole career as a Steeler. You know, some people get to do it, some people don't. Most of them don't. But for him to go and, you know, put it out there nicely, that's a, that's a, that's. That's a nice negotiation tactic. Letting them know, like, why we haven't really got any further in these negotiations on getting the extended deal for my. For my client. Y' all not in the. Y' all not in the right ballpark for, you know, for what it. It needs to be. You know, I mean, all you gotta do is hell when it's time and you feel like you need to get a little something. Hell, Cam did it last year. Like, yo, I need. I need a little something more. I feel like I don't now play what it is y' all giving me what I'm about to get paid right now. And right now he ain't had a big deal yet. This is gonna be his first time getting a, you know, a big deal unrestricted and you know, like, you could easily start on at least half, if not more of these other squads because you sitting behind TJ In Highsman. And that's, that's a, that's. That's a. He went. He went a long road, I think as a. What was he a third round draft choice to now like, you about to be sitting up there starting for the Pittsburgh Steelers eventually, hopefully. But in that process to get there, somebody got to go because the money angle, money ain't gonna be spread around enough to be able to pay for everything. And hell, wasn't we already the highest paid defense last year? I. And we didn't lose much of anything, did we? But look here, I'm seeing somebody that is on. On my line right here. And this is what I want to do for y' all today. Today, ladies and gentlemen, we have a former two, two time First Team All Big 12, First Team All American in the 99. In 2000, he was the Big 12 Defensive Player of the year alone with a consensus all American. Drafted in the first round 2001 by the Pittsburgh Steelers, but did would then go on to be a five time Pro Bowler, two time super bowl champion. Inducted into the Western Pennsylvania hall of fame in 2018. 2020 named to the Steelers or all time team in 2020 inducted into the Steelers hall of Honor and should be inducted into the NFL Football hall of Fame. The coldest nose tackle to ever play the game. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Casey Big Snack Hampton to the show. Brother. Thank you for coming on. It's an honor to have you and a pleasure.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Hey, man, look here. I'm gonna start calling you Devo Harvey. That's how you bring it. That's how you bring me out. That's how you bring your boy out, man. Show your boy some love.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Hey, baby, I'm trying Help. I'm trying help, man. Thank you for coming on, baby. Appreciate you already. Where you at? You off there in Galveston, baby?

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Man, I'm at. I'm at the crib, man. You know, I'm in between Galveston and Houston, you know, you can't really just live at the crib, you know, Too close. Yeah, man, so I be. I go out there all the time, but I'm in between Houston and Galveston, you know what I mean? Tucked off. Tucked off in the. In the cut, you know what I mean?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Okay. What you got behind you right there, bro? What's that, Art?

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Hey, you know. Hey, man, that's old. That's old Pocket Biggie, man. So. Pocket Biggie because, you know, you know, coach back Art way back in the day, baby. I got. I got a decent collection, you know what I'm saying? So coach me, I gotta. I gotta. I got a few. I got a few pieces. That's one of my little originals, man, you know what I mean? I got. I got a few little lows, you know?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Yeah. Look nice. That look nice, bro. That look real nice, bro. I might have to. Yeah. Which house that in? Houston or Galveston? Which one I want to come see you?

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

One of them.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Whichever one that one is, come to Texas, baby.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

I'm gonna have a coffee, okay?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Okay. Hell yeah. Listen, man, you said nothing but a thing, brother. You ain't said nothing but a thing. Hey, listen, what do you. I want to jump into a little bit of still it right now. You know Omar as long as I've known Omar. Actually, you've been known a year longer than me because you got there a year before me. What, what, what. What do you think of the job he has done so far?

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Meaning the last, what, two years last this year?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

This year? Let's, let's. He. He got the handles now this year

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

with the draft, I mean, I. I think that in the draft he got the need positions, right? I. I think we need to get. We. We needed o line. We need receiver help. I think that. I think he. We definitely addressed that. My only deal is with a first round pick and I don't watch film, you know what I mean? But I know that football being played for just five years, you know what I mean? I know that's a project, you know what I mean? And this with Me, I like with my first round pick, man, I want that guy to be a guy he can, he can definitely develop into a guy. No doubt about it. You know, I mean, has all the intangibles, but I think it's going to be a, it's going to be work to see how he, he develops and kind of see how he going to be. But I think as a, as a, as a whole, man, he did a pretty good job, man. He, he got our knee positions and as you know, Debo, man, it all boils down to how you develop the guys. You never know what nobody's gonna be until, until it happens, right?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

So you gotta have the coaches that are in those positions that could actually develop the talent that you picked up. You know what I'm saying? I, I got, I got lucky. You got lucky. You had coach Mitch, I had, I had coach Butts, we had, we Both had Coach LeBeau. You know, it was, you know, it was a, a very fortunate and blessed opportunities that we, we, we fell into. You know, you just got there in the first round. I got there just as, you know, a tag along, you know, from, from, from some, something else. You know what I'm saying, bruh? So you came out of Texas, right? As I talked about your accolades through that, through that process. Although that, that 99, 2000 at, at what point dude, were you like.

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[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

It ain't nothing they could do to stop me. I'm going first round.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Debo, man, not to sound like arrogant or nothing, man. You can ask my boys, man. Like, even when I went to college, man, I think coming from where I come from, we have so many guys that, that played in NFL, like, you can just look it up. I mean, it's probably 30 some guys, some crazy, a crazy number. So if I was in school, like, even in like junior high, like junior high and things like that, we had six, seven guys in the NFL at one time, so. But so most, well, most people see that as a dream or like they, they. It's out of, it's out of reach. I've always seen that within reach because it's always been around me, you know what I mean? And I, I growing up, like being in high school, like, you know, a lot of people say, you know, that kid gonna be good. He goes to NFL one day. But when I'm from in Galveston, they really seen it, you know what I'm saying? So they. That, like back when I was like in high school, so when I, when I got to college, I never forget, man, when I, when I knew I was gonna be okay, we had a, A guard, Dan Neil. He was all American, you know what I mean? And he had them vice grips, you know?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Oh, I know them vice grips.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Yeah, he had them vice. And I remember, man, my freshman year we was, we started doing one on ones and things like that, man, and, and I got up in there and I, I worked them and I remember I got worked him and he was like, hey man, bring that back. Let's bring him back over here. I got him again. And I went back, I was like, hey man, I might be. That's the best they got. He was a beast. Now, you know, I ain't saying I just whooped him everything, but I just knew then that, you know what I'm saying, I might have had a little something. I, I was gonna, I was gonna get up. I was telling my boy, my boy Cedric Woodard, we came in together and he always tell his story, man. When I went to University of Texas, I was, he was like, I'm just happy to be here at Texas. And I was saying that I'm gonna go first round out of Texas. He. He didn't. That wasn't no reality to him, you know what I'm saying? But I was really feeling that way way back then. You know what I'm saying? Even. And I know a lot of kids say that, but I really felt that way.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Okay, okay. Mindset. It's the whole mentality of where you at, Everybody like, yo, this is what we do. This. If you don't do it, then you ain't. You ain't. You ain't. You ain't. You ain't setting up to the standard that it's supposed to be.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Yeah, man, I think it's different down there. That was my problem, man. You gotta. You gotta come down and we gotta. We had.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

We.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Not a lot of big names, crazy names. We had some guys go first round, things like that, but, you know, we had a lot of guys go, you know what I'm saying? It's a real thing. It was a real thing down there growing up, when I was. When I was growing up.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Okay, is it true that you actually led the team in tackles as a

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

defensive lineman, bro, my last two years in Texas in tackles, in tackles. No doubt.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

But hold up. For the whole team?

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

For the whole team, man. Man, I mean, luckily, bro.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

What was your linebackers doing, man?

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Let me first of all, rip to my D line coach. He just passed away. I just went to his funeral this past weekend by one of my best D line coaches ever. What's crazy is my D line coach in college and coach Mitch, they coach together in the usfl. They. But crazy.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Ain't it crazy, bro? What was his name?

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Mike Tolson. Coach Tyler. That's my guy, man. You know, he came from lsu, came to Texas with Mac Brown. And that was my coach, man. He taught me. He taught me the most until I had. I actually had 3D line coaches at Texas. I had him my last three years, but it was night and day. He taught me everything, you know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. But anyway, man, I was lucky to have a great coach. But Coach Bull Reese, my defensive coordinator, he passed away as well. But his whole thing was the linebackers on scholarship, too. Go get the ball. It wasn't no holding nobody off, you know what I'm saying?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Hell, no.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

You know what I mean? Hey, man, the line scholarships, I was. Hey, man, I was. I was like number one in tackles. My boy Sean Rock, big, baby. He was like three or four in tackles, man, we was going to get it? You know what I mean? Our linebackers. Hey, man, they was. They was. They was.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Y' all just left them boys out the drive, man.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

They had. But they doubling us, though.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

We.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

We beating the double. Like you. You thinking they just letting me go. I'm beating the devil, man. Like, I don't. I don't know what the boys doing back there, man. I. I don't know, but I know I was getting to that ball, man. You know what I'm saying?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Right?

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

When you have a coordinator that say the linebackers on scholarship, too, and he coached the linebacker.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Wow.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

So either one or two things, man. Your boy, but you gotta think, who. Who am I? Me and we got me and Sean Rogers up there.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

No question.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Nobody can block it. Like, you know what I'm saying? They can't.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Yes.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

They let their big dogs eat, man,

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

how y' all get Big Baby and Big Snack? How y' all get them names, bro?

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Big Baby, man, he just. He got his naturally, because he is. He was. He just was the biggest baby at every level when. You know what I'm saying, in college, man, he just crying about everything. What?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

He cried about what?

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

He cried about any and everything, man. Everybody against him is always. There's always something with him, man. Like, that's just. That's just him. But that's the thing that makes him tick because he. Everything's against him. He's always whining about something, but he gonna do something about it.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Oh.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's. That's. That's what makes him say he just a big ass. He's just a big ass baby. I think. And I don't even think a player named him. I think maybe a.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

A.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

One of the. One of our homegirls in college named him that. You know what I'm saying? Big Baby. You know, the Big Snack. You know, the Big Snack thing for me, man. You know, Kirsty messed over me, gave me the fake name, man. He gave me the fake Big Snack name. They came around asking who got the craziest nickname on the team. And Kirsty, I guess he. He thought he was being funny. I wasn't around or nothing. He gonna tell the media. They call me Big Snack. Cause I'm always eating, I'm always snacking in the beach. That or whatever, whatever. So they come to, I'm at lunch, I'm coming out of lunch, and all the media run up to me, snack, Snack, Big Snack, Big Snack. Like, what the hell's going on? You know, What I'm saying. Yeah. Kirsty said your nickname is a big stack. I said, man, come on, man. So I really did deny it or say it was true, but after that it was a rap holder, man. They. They ran with it, man. I was. I was snacked from being.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Yeah, yeah. You can't. You can't deny a name that's given to you. That's like trying to make your own name. It don't stick. You can't make your own name stick. And you can't deny a name that's given to you either, baby.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

You gotta. You gotta take the. Give it to night, man. When. When you. When you make your own name, that's kind of weird. When you. When you do your own thing, that's. That's kind of, you know, that's weird.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Yeah. Like, they call me, dude. Who. Who call you what? When you just made that up. I never heard them call you that, bro. I had what, three full names? I don't have. Like, I was. I was two day vet.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Oh yeah. Two day bed off the muscle. Hey, man, I'm like this dude here, man. Like, this dude think he can't tell him nothing. He just. That you were just like, whatever, dude. Like, I think that come from. That come from your mama, though. I know that you got that.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

No, no, that was. That was a. That was a defense mechanism, dude. I ain't want nobody to know. I ain't know what the hell I was doing. So instead of asking for help, I'm like, yeah, all right, well, whatever you. I know what's going on.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

So you picked that up from Kendrell?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

No, I already had that in me, dude. That was like I. I didn't like for me. And that's probably why I did so damn bad in school. Asking for help was weakness, you know, If I needed help, it was like weakness. You know what I'm saying? I'm asking for help. You can't. I can't do this myself. Why am I asking? You know what I'm saying? It felt like weakness to me. So.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

So not with your boy.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Oh, hell no. You better come to me, ask for help. I don't teach. None of the stuff that I learned growing up, bro, is. Is taught to my kids, man. I don't. I don't do none of that, man. I. I tell my kids I love them daily. My kids say they love me. The last thing I say to my kids, I love you more. Like, I'm very expressive about how I feel about them. I let them know that. Because when, you know, when I grew up, my mom and dad didn't say it. You know, I had. I had one time where, you know, I'm telling my dad, I'm listening to a dude, he's talking and he's talking to his parents, and he's like, yeah, you know, love you. I'm hearing McCray. That was his name, bro. And I'm like, yo, that cool. I'm like, I'm gonna try that. So my dad go, he called. I talked to him. We'll get off before we get off. All right, dad. Love you. Get off the phone.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Boom.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

As soon as I hang the phone up, two minutes later, my mom called him. I'm like, yo, what's up? You good? Like, what you mean, you good? Yeah, I'm good. Why? Well, your daddy told me to talk to you. Okay. Yeah, you good? He. I'm like, yeah, I'm good.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Why?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

He said, you said, you know, you love me. Like, I was, you know, going to sign somebody off or I was gonna kill myself. Like, something was going. Like when you said, I love you, like, hey, that's it. Hey, I'm going to do something. Something got to get done. I love you, but just know I love you. I gotta go do this, though, you know? So that was something I didn't want my kids do. And, you know, I'm real expressive, you know, about that. I don't hold nothing back. And if it's. You need help with anything, like, that's my big thing is I'm trying to fix everything, bro. I. I don't. You know, I don't want you to struggle with anything. And I think that might be a little bit to my. To their detriment, you know, at some point in time, you know, I had

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

to let go, let them be a little hard. But I'm. I'm very. Like, I grew up kind of similar, the same way. And it is all about, like, just because we grew up the way we grew up and we. Okay, that don't make a lot of. A lot of that. Right? You know what I'm saying? And I believe in that, man. Like, I just. Man, these kids off this. That made. Man, I'm a love on my son. Yeah, I don't care what you got all that hard. He. It's time to teach them the lesson and be hard. But, man, you got to pour that love into them. But they gonna give it back, man. Like. Like, no. No doubt about it, man. Like, I. I believe that wholeheartedly, man. I hate that that. But you gotta. You gotta be.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Listen, Balance.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Let them be soft. You can't. You cannot.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Hey, hey. They can't. Hey, listen. The softness comes. My thing is this. You better fight on the drop of a hat if somebody put their hands on you.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

0,0 scary.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Ain't no scary. But you go be soft because you used to live in a certain way. So I know you ain't trying to stay at the three star hotel because you go be looking at me like I done did something wrong to you. You know what I'm saying?

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Nothing wrong with that though, Debo. But long as long as if it pop off, you know what I'm saying, you jumping off the porch, you got to be ready for it. Like, you can't be. I don't believe in that. Like, my son already know, man, don't start nothing, but you better finish it if somebody come on with it like.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

No, listen, I don't. I don't. I don't give a damn how big he is, Woody. What he. Listen, Let him know you throwing hands. You throwing hands immediately and you go keep throwing hands every day until you get a w. Bully wants to bully. He don't want to fight for that win.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

No doubt about it. It is okay. It is okay to lose, right?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

It's okay to lose, bruh.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

It ain't okay to run from it.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

No question. No question. No question, bro. You cannot run from it because you go get chased for the rest of your damn life. And if it ain't by them, it's by somebody else that probably ain't even go put a hand on you. But you done gotten to that point to where you like, you know what? Instead of me going ahead and fighting this, I'm a run. No, I ain't running from nothing. Like, I've been in situations where I should have ran. It was a six piece. It was 601. I should have ran him, but I didn't. I was foolish, you know what I'm saying? I did not let. Oh, I ain't running from no mother. I said. Yeah, I should have ran that time.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Hey, man, what.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Doing what your son doing, man.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Hey, man, you got a job. I'm trying. I'm trying to get him off the books.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Trying to get you off the book.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

Off the books, man, he's still on the payroll, baby. Man, he just graduated. He just finished college. You know what I'm saying? He chilling, man. Trying to figure it out, you know what I mean? To figure out what he. What he gonna do next. Got a little Finance degree. And, you know, he's doing his thing, man, but giving some time to figure out what he gonna do next, you know, he got time. Ain't no big deal. Ain't no rush, man.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Hey, it ain't never no rush. I tell her, listen, man, listen, you can stay here. I told my kids, like, listen, man, you could be a professional college student. You want to get your. You want to get your bachelor's, go get your next. Go get your doctor, go get your master, whatever. You could be a professional college student to you for 40, baby. Like, as long as you keep getting

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

degrees, that college degree ain't gonna be worth pretty soon.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Hey, I already got a plan for them. I'm. They don't even know it yet. I already got a plan.

[Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton]

You better have something, or they gonna take all the jobs.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

All right, listen, I already got a plan for, brother.

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