Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers to draft a QB? Browns back Deshaun Watson, Shedeur Sanders number change

Summary

Nightcap: Deebo & Joe – Part 1

Podcast: Nightcap
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (Deebo), Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson (Joe)
Episode Theme: Steelers to draft a QB? Browns back Deshaun Watson, Shedeur Sanders number change
Date: March 31, 2026

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Overview

This episode of Nightcap pairs former NFL standouts Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson for a no-holds-barred discussion of current NFL storylines: the state of the Steelers and Browns quarterback rooms, rumors and logic behind potential quarterback moves, the Browns’ ongoing commitment to Deshaun Watson, and Shedeur Sanders’ switch to his familiar college number. As always, Deebo and Joe mix genuine football insight with their signature competitive banter.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Aging, “Unc”-Status, and Friendly Banter

[05:06–07:42]

• Deebo opens with playful age jokes, embracing his “Unc” nickname and ribbing Joe about being even older.
• Joe fires back, highlighting his status as the youngest of 14 siblings, with nephews older than him, adding, “UNC status go from like 30 to 75.”
  • Quote: "If I'm getting older in age and I'm going to accept the unk status, whatever. ... That makes you grandpa." – Deebo (05:14)
  • Quote: “You being real disrespectful over there.” – Joe (05:47)
• Transition quickly from trash talk to NFL discussion: “Let’s get to this.” – Joe (07:43)

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2. Quarterback Room Rankings: Steelers & Browns Perspective

[07:44–11:51]

• The hosts discuss recently released QB room rankings:
  • Browns ranked 30th, Steelers 29th – only the Raiders are worse.
  • Browns QB Room: Shaduer Sanders, Deshaun Watson, Dylan Gabriel.
  • Steelers QB Room: Mason Rudolph and Will Howard (rookie, 6th round, 2025 draft).
  • Deebo details why their teams are low: “The reason why we at the bottom of the list is because we’re unproven.” (10:34)
  • Debate over whether Jacoby Brissette, Geno Smith, and Tua (on new teams) should be ranked above their guys.
• Joe is hopeful but realistic: “Until we find out what Will Howard can do, we slightly cooked.” (10:10)
• Steelers’ hope: Maybe land Aaron Rodgers if the front office “just go and offer the man something” (10:23)

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3. Will Howard’s Mindset & Chip-on-Shoulder Mentality

[12:02–16:55]

• Joe shares Will Howard’s humble take after being drafted in the sixth round:
  • Quote: “I’m not Will Howard, sixth round pick. I’m Will Howard, Pittsburgh Steeler... It doesn’t matter where I was drafted.” (12:27)
• Deebo impressed with Howard’s focus on preparation over pedigree:
  • “Control what you can control... That’s all you can do.” (13:30)
• Joe honestly assesses Howard’s college shortcomings (accuracy, processing), but sees starter potential if things click.
  • Quote: "[Howard] was a little inaccurate... some placement issues... but when the pocket was clean, he was considered a starting caliber quarterback." (15:22)
• Deebo and Joe both relate to being doubted, with Deebo saying, “I loved it when they said what I couldn’t do... motivated me to prove them wrong.” (16:56–17:56)

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4. Steelers’ Draft Strategy: Should They Draft a QB Again?

[23:29–28:48]

• Discussion pivots to Mike McCarthy’s cryptic comments about the 2026 draft and QB needs:
  • Joe quotes McCarthy: “I’m hopeful that there would be a quarterback there at the right time for us.” (25:04)
  • Both agree if a top QB, like Ty Simpson, falls further than expected (“if it happens like what happened to [Shedeur] and he goes down to 70-something, he’s there, pick him.” – Deebo, 27:12), Steelers should grab him.
  • Otherwise, build the rest of the team and, if Howard isn’t the guy, “go get one” next year.
  • Both would prefer proven talent like Rodgers, but acknowledge “we don’t have any proven commodities on our squad.” (27:46)

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5. New Steelers OC & Offensive Philosophy

[31:13–34:53]

• Deebo breaks down glowing praise from former head coach Kevin O’Connell for stealers’ new offensive coordinator Ryan Angelico:
  • Quote from O’Connell: “He’s been vital for me in the red zone over our four years together… he is so prepared for this opportunity and it’s long overdue.” (32:01)
• Both hosts excited about a run-game/play-action focus, with Deebo explaining, “It sounds so simple… but you have to get a rhythm going, marrying the run game, getting it started early, early down success.” (32:15)
• Joe underlines Angelico’s passing game coordinator track record, calling for collaboration between head coach and new OC.

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6. The Browns and Deshaun Watson: Support and Skepticism

[35:26–47:46]

• Browns owner Jimmy Haslam has “walked back” last year’s negative comments and now expresses full optimism for Deshaun Watson.
  • Quote: “Desean has a great chance, a fresh start with an offensive minded coach who has in the past, been able to work with all kinds of different quarterbacks...” (35:43)
• Deebo is skeptical: “If you give somebody $250 million, you’re gonna believe in [them] until the wheels fall off.” (38:07)
• Watson’s physical decline and past injuries discussed:
  • Deebo: “Once you start losing that speed, that agility, [Watson] starts to become kind of a... pocket passer.” (43:31)
  • Keeps door open for Shedeur Sanders to earn QB1: “For me, I’m going with Shador. Young. Give him weapons... If it doesn’t work out, we still have Deshaun there.” (45:44)
  • Joe wonders if this change of tone is just “trying to show a united front,” possibly to make Watson tradeable. (47:22–47:46)

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7. Shedeur Sanders’ Number Change

[49:03–52:34]

• Shedeur Sanders moves from #12 to #2 (his number at Jackson State and Colorado), now that WR Carter is off the team.
  • Deebo: “He always wore it. That’s his jersey coming in. The vet had it... Money looking funny a little bit. He was like this, nah, that’s what I’m not gonna do.” (49:47)
  • Joe maintains number pride is huge for NFL players: “Getting that number that you balled in, that you was a dog in, can make you feel.” (51:42)
  • Deebo shares number-trading stories from his own playing days.

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8. Personal Football Stories & Motivation

[52:43–58:18]

• Joe discusses superstitions and personal attachment to jersey numbers, sharing how wearing #3 his senior year in high school led to a suspension and cost him scholarships.
• Details journey back to football shape, citing motivation from coaches’ negative comments:
  • Quote: “I need that negative motivation. That kicked in, bro. As soon as that kicked in, I’m like, yeah, I’m staying here, I’ll show you all wrong, bro.” (56:46)
• Both hosts underline how doubt and adversity shaped their NFL mentality.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Will Howard’s Mentality:
  “I’m not Will Howard, sixth round pick. I’m Will Howard, Pittsburgh Steeler... It doesn’t matter where I was drafted.” (Will Howard, quoted by Joe, 12:27)
• On Team-Building:
  “Control what you can control. That’s all you can do.” – Deebo (13:30)
• On Steelers QB Room:
  “Until we find out what Will Howard can do, we slightly cooked.” – Joe (10:10)
• On Deshaun Watson:
  “If you give somebody $250 million, you’re gonna believe in [them] until the wheels fall off.” – Deebo (38:07)
• On Number Changes:
  “Getting that number that you balled in, that you was a dog in, can make you feel.” – Joe (51:42)
• Banter:
  “You being real disrespectful over there.” – Joe (05:47)

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Key Timestamps

• 05:06 — Unc/Grandpa banter and ribbing
• 07:44 — QB room rankings (Browns 30th, Steelers 29th)
• 10:23 — Steelers’ hope for Aaron Rodgers
• 12:27 — Will Howard’s reaction to being picked in 6th round
• 13:30 — Deebo on QB preparation and attitude
• 16:56 — Personal stories about proving doubters wrong
• 25:04 — McCarthy’s 2026 NFL Draft QB comments
• 32:01 — New Steelers OC praised by Kevin O’Connell
• 35:43 — Haslam supports Deshaun Watson
• 43:31 — Questions about Watson’s ability post-injury
• 45:44 — Shedeur Sanders as Browns QB1?
• 49:47 — Sanders switching jersey to #2, number-meaning for players
• 56:46 — Joe’s story: adversity, motivation, and coaching

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Tone & Style

• Language/Tone: Informal, lively, candid, at times raw; the hosts riff freely, mixing in-depth football insight with humor and personal stories.
• Vibe: Unfiltered, competitive brothers-in-arms; the atmosphere is one of mutual respect, deep football knowledge, and decades of lived experience—perfect for football die-hards and casual fans alike.

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Summary

For listeners wanting an unfiltered look at NFL QB controversies, front office decisions, and inside-the-locker-room stories—with plenty of laughs and genuine camaraderie—this episode delivers. Deebo and Joe’s deep knowledge and real-life NFL scars open a window into the mentality of players, the uncertainties of QB evaluations, the precariousness of NFL careers, and the everyday business decisions that can alter a franchise’s fortunes.

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[Deebo]

I'm doing good, Debo, but you need to get this together. If I'm getting older in age and I'm going to accept the unk status, whatever. I take that. I'm going to take that on the chin. But that makes you grandpa or whatever is older than unk because I'm taking. I'm 30, you know, I'm in my 30s. I'm about to turn 37. Birthday, April 14th. Smooth Aries, baby. But your old ass is going to be at least grandpa now because you keep on Unc Joe starting off the show with that. Yeah. I'm gonna let you know, your kids about to have kids. They're old enough to have children almost. So you're about to be a grandfather. Okay. So you keep them on. Just notice I'm accepting mine. You gotta accept yours, too. Yeah, you gotta accept yours, too.

[Joe]

You being real? You being you, man, you've been real disrespectful over there, you know, UNC status go from like 30 to 75.

[Deebo]

You just made that up.

[Joe]

I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you. Look at chat G GPT until that what they say, I'm starting to go from 30 to 75.

[Deebo]

The groups, there's different groups that goes. The max between a age group is about 10 years. You can't be 30 year age gaps. That's just. That's crazy. It's different. That don't make sense.

[Joe]

Like, because, see, I'm the youngest. I'm the youngest of 14.

[Deebo]

That's a lot of kids.

[Joe]

Okay, Exactly. So I'm the youngest of 14. I got nephews that's older than me. I got a nephew that's older than me.

[Deebo]

Okay, okay.

[Joe]

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[Deebo]

Okay. Okay.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Deebo]

Well, that's just. Yeah. I don't know what to tell you about that. He's.

[Joe]

He's. Like I said, hey, when y' all in the chat, let Joe know he owned. It's all good. He gonna have to accept it. You know what I'm saying? I'm still. I'm still me, you know, you just.

[Deebo]

Just old. Just old Debo, you know, getting up there. It's all good, Debo. Accept it. Take it. You know what I'm saying? You already got this, bro.

[Joe]

I'm almost shaking listening to you just talk so disrespectful, man. Like, got me ready to jump already.

[Deebo]

Look, you already got the bald head. You know what I'm saying? You let it go, so you just accepting it.

[Joe]

I ain't let it go. I took it away. Cause it was cheaper to do it when I was in college. Cause I ain't have to pay for a haircut. I could do it.

[Deebo]

Okay. My bad.

[Joe]

Okay. And by the time I realized it was over with, I was. I was. I was 32. 30 years old. And my. My top.

[Deebo]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. My top getting light. I'm accepting it.

[Joe]

Your top getting like your. Your line been pushed back.

[Deebo]

All right, let's get to this.

[Joe]

Let's get to this.

[Deebo]

Let's get to this. Let's get to the nitty gritty.

[Joe]

Yeah, man, look here. The NFL, they. They ranked the quarterback rooms, and guess who was sitting there at 30? The Browns. Trash. Yep.

[Deebo]

And guess who was right after the Browns? The Steelers. So both of our rooms looking crazy right now. That's what they ranked it. Yep. They got. We. They say we got one. Only one team with a worse quarterback situation than. Than our squads. Then the Brown.

[Joe]

The Raiders. It's the Raiders.

[Deebo]

And they about to draft with the number one overall pick. They gonna get Mendoza. So they situation. They. They trying to say after the draft, we looking like we gonna be the worst unless we end up doing the same thing. They about to.

[Joe]

Nah, they tripping. They tripping. They tripping. We. We definitely better than the Raiders. They ain't even got.

[Deebo]

That's what I'm saying. That's why.

[Joe]

And then when they get somebody, they still.

[Deebo]

That's what I'm telling you. They put.

[Joe]

And the Browns like to actually have the audacity to say that they better than me. Like, come on.

[Deebo]

No, no, no. Because this is what I'm telling you.

[Joe]

It.

[Deebo]

It talks about this. This. What is this? What it boils down to. Who is the quarterback in the room right now? Right now? Right now with the Steelers? Who?

[Joe]

29.

[Deebo]

Listen, my brother, with the Steelers. Right now, there's comparing, all right? It's Mason Rudolph and it's Will Howard with the Browns room. We got Shador Sanders and we got Deshawn Watson and Dylan Gabriel. Number 29.

[Joe]

Listen, I give you that.

[Deebo]

I give you that at 29. That's what I'm trying to say. That's what I'm trying to go. I had to look at 29. Geno Smith is at 29. Geno Smith's at 29.

[Joe]

Okay, who give me 28?

[Deebo]

It's Tua Tongabalua with Atlanta. Okay. And number 27 is Jacoby Brissette in Arizona.

[Joe]

Hey, man, you calling names, bro? Just call teams.

[Deebo]

Arizona Cardinals. No, I need to give names because these are the quarterbacks that they're ranking over who we got in our room. They're basically saying this.

[Joe]

Why you just saying one name? Like I ain't got nothing to defend it?

[Deebo]

Cause I'm just trying to say, do who?

[Joe]

Do.

[Deebo]

Do you who?

[Joe]

27.

[Deebo]

27 is Jacoby Brissette, Arizona Cardinals. 26. Bryce Young, Carolina Panthers. 25, Malik Willis, Miami Dolphins.

[Joe]

All right, all right.

[Deebo]

24, Cam Ward. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

We slightly cooked. Okay. All right. Until we find out what Will Howard can do, we slightly cook. Because my. My confidence in Mason Rudolph is. Is. It ain't. I ain't gonna lie. It ain't even there, dude. And you know what? We in this because we waiting on Aaron Rogers Stillers. Just go and offer the man something, man, like, so we can get off the bottom of this list.

[Deebo]

The reason why we at the bottom of the list is because we're unproven. They ain't seen what Will could do and what you're saying.

[Joe]

And that's why I can't argue it because we don't know what Will could do.

[Deebo]

But I can't even say but so like that. I think when I looked at it, I was hot at first, but then I'm looking at like the only Jacoby Brissette. I mean, at the bottom of this list. I mean, these Geno Smith, Tua, Jacoby. Like I. You. It's a toss up because with your door, he didn't put up a good enough season. I could just say no for sure. He's better than these dudes. So I think with. When they said Cam Ward, they putting him at 24, he didn't have like, his offense wasn't that good. He didn't have the weapons. I'm looking at our. Our quarterback position with the Browns.

[Joe]

What?

[Deebo]

What? I call it us. What do you want me to call it when I talk about the Browns? D. Bo,

[Joe]

what did I say?

[Deebo]

You didn't say. Don't say we. I think you said us.

[Joe]

Okay, say us then.

[Deebo]

Us with the Browns. I'm thinking if we get. You just got it. We're unproven. Will Howard's unproven. What they seen from Shador wasn't good enough to put us over any of these Other guys. So, I mean, I'm not, I'm not really as, as mad at the list, but you know what I'm saying? I just think that we got, we got to go prove ourselves.

[Joe]

Everybody.

[Deebo]

Will hasn't played anything, so how you going to put him over guys that actually been in the game, you know what I'm saying? Have, have actual tape and bo nicks at 20, Trevor Lawrence at 19.

[Joe]

Like, hey, hey, stop, stop. Because they ain't gonna mess up that bad. I mean, I hope they ain't. I mean, I wish they had her, but they ain't, they ain't lying. All right, I'm, you know, I could, you know, I could accept what I could say. But hey, Will Howard went on ahead and he, you know, he addressed that people was doubting him. So the Steelers took Will Howard in the sixth round of the 2025 draft. That's what pick 185. He was the eighth quarterback taken in the draft. Howard said, at the end of the day, I'm not Will Howard, six round pick. I'm Will Howard, Pittsburgh Steeler. That's how I look at myself. And so I'm not viewing myself any differently. Obviously, I understand that the media is going to take and say what they want to, what they want with it, but at some point, man, I'm just a player on the team. And whether I was a picked high or rather I was picked low, it doesn't matter. I still have to produce. As much as I can sit here and be pissed off about it. It doesn't matter because it happened and it happened the way it was meant to happen. But now all I can control is what is going. What's going forward. What's going forward? Yeah. Yes. You like that? You cool with that? You like that? You like, you like that statement? You like the, you like the mindset?

[Deebo]

I love the mindset. I love the statement. Control what you can control. That's all you can do. You can do the best you can do. Will Howard can only do his best. And I say putting himself in the best position by studying the tape, being in there all the time, knowing what everybody has to do, knowing all the checks, knowing all the routes, knowing the cadences, just being familiar, as familiar as he can, as comfortable as he can to give himself the best option to go out there and ball out. So I'm listening to him. He knows he was drafted sixth round. He was backup last year. Whatever happened, he probably believes in himself. Just not trying to be cocky. When I get the opportunity, I'M gonna go out there and show why I play football, why I do what I do. So with me, with him, that's all you can do. Will is it doesn't matter where you were drafted. It doesn't matter. You're all on the same team now. First round pick, second round pick, third round pick. Once you get on the squad, we all here now, you know what I'm saying? The best man shall win the job. So all I can do is put my best foot forward, hoop out, ball, and show these dudes that I can be a professional quarterback. And that's not trying to do anybody else's job. That's coming in here knowing exactly what I have to do, knowing exactly what my job entitled know, knowing when the defense moving, knowing how to read defenses, coming in here prepared, you know what I'm saying? Not looking crazy, not focused, locked in on being a professional quarterback. So I love what he's saying. He's speaking exactly what he needs to be saying. Not trying to just throw out stuff and putting too much pressure on his back. He's saying, I'm coming out here, I'm a member of this squad. I know I play quarterback. I got drafted here for a reason. So I'm where I need to be, I'm where my feet are. So I'm trying to go ball out. I love what he's saying because that's what you will want your guy to say. I'm here, doesn't matter how I got here, whatever. I'm just trying to do the best that I can do. And I'm here for a reason. So I'm rocking with it.

[Joe]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They judging my man on college performance. Man, he was a little inaccurate. You know, he had some placement issues, high balls, little bit of a process. And they expected him to be able to process a little bit faster. Cause he's an older quarterback, so that kind of lowered the ceiling, you know, as far as what they, they thought, you know, he should, where he should be or where he could get to, I should say. And then, you know, the inconsistency with, with pressure, you know, he got a little bit of happy feet moving around a little bit, but. But when the pocket was clean, he was considered a starting caliber quarterback.

[Deebo]

Okay.

[Joe]

Okay, Joe, do you, do you understand?

[Deebo]

I'm picking up what you putting down.

[Joe]

Now with that being said, the first goal of NFL football is to get there. That's the easy part, Joe. Yes. The hard part is, hey, stand there baby. And he understand that and he's saying, yo, I don't care where I was dressed. I'm here. So I'm not going to sit here and whine and cry and bitch about being a sith frown pig. Nah, it's time to produce so I can stay here and become everything everyone said and thought I was not. He locked in. That's what he needs to be.

[Deebo]

Thousand percent.

[Joe]

So, you know, he's carrying a little bit of chip on his shoulder, using that as, you know, fuel for his fire. I love. I love when I'm here. You know what I'm saying? Listen, I wouldn't want it any other way because I used to love it when they said what I couldn't do. I was too short for what I was too slow for. That motivated me to prove them wrong. Dude, I used to love when the Steelers would draft a linebacker, dude, especially at my position. A linebacker in my position. I don't care if it was in the first round, the seventh round, bruh. I didn't care. I'm like, oh, okay, so you trying to replace me? And I'm putting it in my head. Cause I'm short, I'm slow, and later on, you know, I'm getting old. Motivation elevated, bro. I could probably sit there and tell you the linebackers they drafted from 2007 to.

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[Deebo]

10. 10 shots. 5. City hall building.

[News Reporter]

A silver.40 caliber handgun was recovered at the scene.

[Narrator]

From iHeart podcasts and Best Case Studios. This is Rorschach. Murder at City Hall.

[Joe]

How could this have happened in City Hall?

[Deebo]

Somebody tell me that.

[Joe]

Jeffrey. Who did it?

[Narrator]

July 2003. Councilman James E. Davis arrives at New York City hall with a guest. Both men are carrying concealed weapons, and in less than 30 minutes, both of them will be dead.

[Joe]

Everybody in the chambers. Abduct.

[Narrator]

A shocking public murder.

[Deebo]

A scream. Get down. Get down. Those are shots. Those are shots. Get down.

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A charismatic politician.

[Joe]

You know, he just bent the rules

[Deebo]

all the time, man.

[Joe]

I still have a weapon and I could shoot you.

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And an outsider with a secret.

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[Deebo]

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[Deebo]

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[Joe]

12, 13, maybe 16, 17. Actually, 17 because TJ was the last one. Before that, the very first two was. Was Timmons and Woodley. After that, they came right back and went with Bruce Davis. 2009. I don't know if they got nobody in nine. I want to say maybe. I don't know either, but somewhere between like, 9 and 10, I know they got Jason Worlds and another dude. Gibson. Gibson, yeah. Yeah, that's what it was. They got mud. The next year, they backed that up with Chris Carter.

[Deebo]

What year was they get. What year they gonna get Bug?

[Joe]

They got Bud, and I want to say it was like 50. I think they got bud and chicken low in 15. And then they went. They backed that up, too, in 16 with dude named Feeney. Feeney Freak. Not free. It was Feeny. Oh, man. Travis Feeney. Matter of fact, UCLA, Bruce Davis, Chris Carter, and Travis Phoenix were all UCLA. Yeah. And then TJ and 17. Like, shoot, dude, I. I got to the point, like, in. I would say, like 2000, between that 8 to 11, 12 frame, I had to start searching for the. For the negative. I'm like, yo, I need some motivation, man. I need. I need to hear what somebody say I can't do because I want to go out here and prove you they trying to give me a. Like, I love that. I love that, bro. Yo, what's up? Mike McCarthy, he made a statement, and the statement was this. When asked about the 20, 26 NFL drive, McCarthy said, I'm hopeful that there would be a quarterback there at the right time for us. Now they talking about the 20, 26 draft. But if you go ahead and you look at the article, dude, he's not really saying he's going to draft the quarterback this year. Okay? Wait a minute. He's saying he's hoping the quarterback is there at the right time for us, okay? He's not saying he's going to go in here and get his quarterback. Yes, he knows he needs a quarterback. Everybody knows he needs a quarterback. He knows he needs a quarterback. That quarterback I don't think is going to be found in this draft. Matter of fact, I kind of would bet a whole lot on it that he's not going to, you know, be found in this draft. And like, when it comes down to it, Ty Simpson is the only other person that may be possibly available there. And I'm not taking him at the first maybe. What is we 53? I don't know about taking him there, you know, and it's nothing more than just looking at, I guess maybe having him compete as a maybe backup against Mason Rudolph. You know, I don't know. It's a hard decision for me because it's all dependent on what's on the board. And like we need o line. It's other things that are, that are more need. But all this, dude, all this can actually be easily changed. If we go ahead and just say, hey, Rogers, hand him something. We ain't even got to talk about that. We'll worry about that next year. Like say, hey, Steelers, hey, look, start 25. He might work you up to something else, but give him something. Give me something. What do you think, Joe?

[Deebo]

I think that he's saying it like, I don't think he understands the facts that like this article wrote Will Howard is unproven. And what we've seen with Mason Rudolph, we don't think that he's going to be able to take us to the promised land. So these are just facts. And everybody sees what's going on. Everybody knows what's going on. So with Will Howard, I think he believes in Will, but he knows at the end of the day he's unproven. So if there's a quarterback that we can find that falls to the right position and Ty Simpson, if we don't like him at whatever 20 something, maybe 53, maybe if he's some, he probably won't go that far down. But he's saying if somehow a quarterback falls to where we think that he can be good enough that we could take him, then we could take him. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

I tell you what, if he plummet to that 70 something, we got to grab it.

[Deebo]

If he does some, if it happens like what happened to Shador and he goes down to 70 something, he's there, pick him. You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel you with the, the offensive line. If there's really, really good players that we can get to make our team solid, let's do it. If you think though, that we do need Ty Simpson in that locker room to be able to. If Will Howard doesn't go, we know we have a Mason Rudolph and you need another quarterback, then if you think that he's the guy, then take him. You know what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day,

[Joe]

Aaron, something, please, what you say? Let's get out of this bottom half.

[Deebo]

That's what I'm saying. Because knowing at the end of the day, if Will Howard isn't the guy, you could still have the chance to get Ty Simpson in there, get some playtime. But if you don't think these quarterbacks are good enough at all, let's see what we can do with Will Howard. We're building up our team anyway and see whatever happens next year. We know we need a quarterback. Go get one. You can give up our first round draft pick. We can give up things to make sure we can get up to pick whoever we need because then we don't need all the extra picks. We don't need all the extra stuff. We got a team. We need a quarterback. Go get him. Go do what we got to do to get that guy on the squad. So I hear what he's saying. I don't think he'll reach to go get the quarterback. But with that being said, looking at these rankings, we don't have any proven commodities on our squad. So that's why it looks you don't. We don't know. So when you putting Will Howard against with Geno Smith, Tua Jacoby, Bryce Young, these dudes have NFL snaps. They've looked good at certain times. So it's hard to put Will Howard and or Mason Rudolph over top of them.

[Joe]

You know who at number three? What? Cincinnati Bengals. You know how far they would fall once. Oh, Joey, get on on board. Come on over here with that black.

[Deebo]

See, that's what I'm. That's what I'm saying.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, we, we. Hey, we, we switching. They, they. Hey, you. I know you got Flacco, but hey, we switching, baby. We switching. I'm telling you, we coming. We coming up. We coming up, then we coming up.

[Deebo]

He said he wanted to go younger, so I don't think we were looking at. I'm looking at the chat. They talking about get. Get Flacco in there.

[Joe]

No, that's just another old OG I'm gonna take.

[Deebo]

I'm gonna take Rogers, of course, but Flacco. Flacco's gonna be peanutty buddies compared to that 30 you talking about giving.

[Joe]

Hey, Rod, you ain't got no choice. Flaco getting paid as a backup, bro. That's why. That's doable.

[Deebo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

If he came in here, they got to pay him more than what he's getting there as a known backup. They're going to give him a chance. I would think if you're going to get him as a, you know, veteran, like, give him a chance to possibly.

[Deebo]

Yeah, I'm not. I'm.

[Joe]

Things don't look right. I'm not in the, you know, offseason training camp.

[Deebo]

I'm not. I'm not. I just seen it in there. I'm not interested.

[Joe]

Like, I just.

[Deebo]

I'm not interested.

[Joe]

You, man.

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[Joe]

You ain't. You ain't interested, man.

[Deebo]

I'm interested in Will Howard.

[Joe]

I've been saying I'm interested in Howard, too. I am.

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[Deebo]

They saying stuff and just addressing what the code. Mike McCarthy was talking about the quarterback. No, we talking about Ty Simpson. If he falls to our spot, cool. But I'm rocking with Will.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Deebo]

That's what I'm rocking with.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. I said. I didn't say. I don't. Yeah, I'm rocking with Will. I'd rather rock with Will and just keep it going and say, you know what? This is what we go do. This is what we're doing. And if somebody else is there that we feel like can come in and add to the team, then we'll add them in and just say, hey, let's roll with Will. We'll go see what we get. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, it cousin. We pick up what we need next year or figure it out through the process of, you know, this year. Because Aaron ain't signed nothing today. Put some in front of him.

[Deebo]

If we want to get the motion going, we got to just offer them something so we can know because we going to be sitting here.

[Joe]

Yes. Yes. Our new oc, Ryan Angelico, he had some high praise from his former head coach, Kevin o'. Connell. O' Connell said Ange has a really good understanding of the run game and how to marry it together, how to marry the play action, pass and keeping in the keeper game, to base, the keeper game to your base way of running the football. He's been vital for me in the red zone over our four years together. So when you look at rather it's situational football, early down success and how you tie it all together, he is so prepared for this opportunity and it's long overdue.

[Deebo]

That's what I love to hear. Debo, he sounds like he listens to the Deebo and Joe Show. That's what it is, that's all.

[Joe]

Listen, he had the man for four years.

[Deebo]

I'm gonna give him a thousand percent. But I'm just saying when I hear somebody that's speaking my same language, that's speaking the same thing that we try to say about the play action, about the run game, about marrying it together, about situational football, about winning it, early down success, oh my God. That's all we talk about. It sounds so simple and it sounds like, oh, no. When you're watching the game, like, why aren't they? No, you don't understand. You have to get a rhythm going, marrying the run game, getting it started early, early down success, which starts second and short. You get to those third and shorts those manageable situations where they don't know if you're going to run or you're going to pass. They can't just pin their ears back and just come after you. You're dictating pace. So when you're running the ball down someone's throat, there's nothing they can do but start putting more people in the box and trying to stop you. And if they can't, then you continue to do it. Continue to do it. And that's when you play action them and they're running down like we're going to stop the run and the ball is going over top of their heads. So when he's talking about marrying it, winning on early possessions, play action, I'm like, oh, my goodness, thank you. It sounds very simple, but this is exactly what I wanted to hear coming from Kevin o', Connell, the OC that's speaking on his man that's just going out on another opportunity. He doesn't have to speak this highly or just say about this knowledge of what he knows, but him saying it is music to my ears.

[Joe]

No question, brother. Look here, he was the passing game coordinator 2022 to 2025, okay? He stayed in the top six. He had. Well, except for one year and that was 25 being the year that was outside of the top six. But he was six, five, six and then he was outside of that. But that's kind of understandable considering the quarterback situation last year over there. So. So I think he's just, you know, putting it out there to, to Mike McCarthy and, you know, saying, you know, I heard you say you gonna be calling the plays. So o' Connor was just saying, hey, look, you done stole this man away from me, okay? So don't just give him the title and name. He can do the job, but let him try and do it. He is capable of doing it. He has done it over here with me, you know, and he's just letting him know you have someone there that can help if you're willing to take it. And I believe McCarthy is willing to do that because why else would he have hired him as his oc?

[Deebo]

Yeah, you know, I love it. And then like you said too, McCarthy, I hope, like you said, hiring people, I know he wants to call the offensive plays, but hiring knowing you're not the smartest man in the room and being able to accept stuff that somebody else says, you know what I'm saying, it's going to be like a team effort, you know what I'm saying? You're listening to him, you're not. You don't have to go with everything he says, but knowing I know this man, he knows what he's talking about, you know what I'm saying? And being able to have like, collaborate instead of just being like, no, no, no, this is the way it's going to be. So knowing that being able to use your coaches, yes.

[Joe]

Getting coaches that have the, you know, the credentials, the pedigree, they, they show that they could do it. And like you said, not wanting to be the smartest person in the room and being able to be like, yo, it's other ways better than mine, you know, and having a collaboration and accepting and, and be willingly, you know, looking to make things better and help and input from your staff, you know, and I think that's what we have here. But the Browns, Jim Haslam, he walked back his comments on Deshaun Watson from last year, expressing optimism about his future. He says it's not far, it's not for lack of effort. Okay. I mean, I don't think anybody in the organization would question his effort, his toughness, everything he puts into the job. Desean has a great chance, a fresh start with an offensive minded coach who has in the past, been able to work with all kinds of different quarterbacks and make them successful. So DeShawn has a great chance to do that now. Joe, listen. Let me tell you something. Joe, let me tell you something. Yo, here the Browns go double talking again, and this time it's your owner, Jimmy has. Okay, you know what? I understand now why your boy Andrew Barrett is. Is, you know, I see where you're getting, you know, like, this is. This might be a cleaning thing. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's getting. You know, when you get there, I guess it. It kind of get ingrained into you or something like that. You know, that's the only thing I could think of, Joe, like, why, why, why? To change. You know why? To change your heart by. By, you know, Mr. Haslam. Because, you know, I don't. I don't know, maybe hold up. Maybe is because you. Yeah. Your GM, Mr. Barry over there, he said all of his quarterbacks would be expected to compete for the starting job or have a chance to. To. To compete for the starting job. They're actually trying to maybe show a united front, a direction, maybe a purposeful position in here. I know, I know, Joe. That would be, like, catastrophic in Cleveland just because, you know, that's the total opposite of the way that, you know, y' all work over there. But, Joe, you tell me what you think. I. I mean, that. I don't know. You tell me.

[Deebo]

If you give somebody $250 million, you're going to believe it, but my man Jimmy hasn't. He's going to believe in them until the wheels fall off.

[Joe]

Well, he wasn't saying that just previously.

[Deebo]

What did he say previously? What did he say?

[Joe]

Well, he was kind of down.

[Deebo]

He was down on him. Okay. But now he's just seeing that he's back. He's been working, he's been rehabbing, you know, So, I mean, that's what he's saying. I don't agree, but if you. If I'd have paid him 250, and at first you would have thought, you know what I'm saying, he's not going to be able to come back, it would have looked like a big swing and a miss. Now he's been rehabbing, he's getting back. Right? He's looking healthy. And this is from the owner's perspective.

[Joe]

Well, I mean, when you say he's a swing and a miss, he's swinging a miss.

[Deebo]

$250 million that you give to a quarterback, fully guaranteed swing and miss.

[Joe]

How you Go. How you go Come back and just go off that.

[Deebo]

What'd you say? Because he got. I mean, I don't know. He did it. I didn't do it. I'm just trying to talk for what looked like happened. I wouldn't have did it. I wouldn't. The swinging, the miss. He could still the reason why he's saying it because say he comes out and balls out this year, ball's out, brings the Browns to the playoffs. He's saying it could still not be all bad. I don't think it's going to happen. He's just speaking best case scenario, he's the owner of the team. He the one that gave him the bag. He's the one that said, oh, that could have been a swing and a miss when he wasn't playing, when he was getting hurt. Now he's looking like he's rehabbing. He's doing everything he can to get back. So from Jimmy hasn't perspective, he's saying if he goes out there, new coach, you know what I'm saying? He's been training, he's been rehabbing. He looks good.

[Joe]

He.

[Deebo]

If he

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[Deebo]

1010 shots fired. City hall building.

[News Reporter]

A silver.40 caliber handgun was recovered at the scene.

[Narrator]

From iHeart podcasts and Best Case Studios, this is Rorschach Murder at City Hall.

[Joe]

How could this have happened in City Hall?

[Deebo]

Somebody tell me that Jeffrey hood did it.

[Narrator]

July 2003. Councilman James E. Davis arrives at New York City hall with a guest. Both men are carrying concealed weapons and in less than 30 minutes, both of them will be dead.

[Joe]

Everybody in the chambers ducks.

[Narrator]

A shocking public murder.

[Deebo]

I scream, get down. Get down. Those are shots. Those are shots. Get down.

[Narrator]

A charismatic politician.

[News Reporter]

You know, he just bent the rules

[Narrator]

all the time, man.

[Joe]

I still have a weapon and I could shoot you.

[Narrator]

And an outsider with a secret.

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[Deebo]

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[Narrator]

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He ends up going out there and balling. It could be a completely different story than him getting the whole 200 already and not really performing at all. So I think that's what he was saying. I don't. I think since Deshaun Watson when he was the real like not. Not the real desean Watson, but he was healthy playing with Houston. That was. That was six, seven years ago. And now the big thing that made desean, he could run and he could pass. He was dual threat. He could use his legs and he could Throw the ball. Once you start losing that speed, that agility, he's starting to just become kind of a one. One trick is going to be more your pocket passing. You're going to have to be able to stand in the pocket. You're going to have to be more of Tom Brady. Tom Brady could never run. He was always going to be efficient because his presence, his knowledge and his ball placement. Once you get less athletic when you are a running quarterback, it starts to make you have to just depend on that other part of your game. Not the escapability but the accuracy part. So I'm looking at desean, like loving him to death. But for me, I don't know if he's still going to be having those same type of twitchiness, that same type of movement like RG3. He had his knee and he's never wasn't able to just move the same way. DeSean Watson, he's not getting any younger. This is a long time in the league now. So just those injuries, him not being able to be as mobile. I don't know if he's going to be as successful as we saw to D' Shawn Watson, that was worth every penny of the 250. So right now with me, I'm still letting Shador go there. He was the starting quarterback. I understand competing you're going to say that, but you're going to have to. Deshaun's going to have to show us something to take the job from Shador. We give him some accurate. We give him some more weapons, some receivers, some line. Give him a chance. If he doesn't look good, you put desean in there after game seven, eight. If Shador's not looking good, if Shador's not succeeding, he's out there throwing picks and just doing the same things. He doesn't look like he's making growth and reading coverages and not just retreating in the in, in the pocket. You know what I'm saying? He looks like he's poised and you know, and it's not his bag. We're scoring averaging 24, 25 points a game. He's throwing 272 touchdowns. You know what I'm saying? No. A couple maybe like say after eight games we got 12 touchdowns, four or five picks, I'm okay.

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[Deebo]

We're working, we're figuring it out. It's not your bad that we're losing, but we can. Are people performing around you? How's the defense playing? How's the special teams playing? It just don't need it to be strictly on him. So for me, I'm going with Shador Young. Give him weapons. Give him a chance for real to really go with Todd Monken. If it doesn't work out, we still have desean there to. So, like. Like Jimmy said, not completely fall off and swing in the miss on the 250. So we still got those two quarterbacks there. See what's happening, and then if it doesn't, we do got to go get a quarterback again. But we've been in that situation a thousand times before. But right now, we got Shador, which I like. We have Desean at a $43 million deal that he's, like, working out. He's trying to get back and see what he can do so those two quarterbacks can get us through the season, in my opinion. So that's. That's how I'm rocking.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Deebo]

How do you feel about that? How do you feel about that? Give me something like. I think. Do you think that's it?

[Joe]

I. I think. I think this is going to sound crazy, because it's just crazy, but I think they're trying to show a united front here, actual direction, you know, purpose, you know, of what it is they want to accomplish, and they trying to put it out there. The GM is putting it out there. He's putting it out there. And, you know, to hear that in Cleveland, you know, you know, common sense ain't common, and it damn sure ain't common in Cleveland, you know, so to hear that and think that, you know, they may actually be trying to get something together. It's. It's kind of confusing.

[Deebo]

So what do you. What are you thinking? What are you thinking? Do you think. Do you. Why do you think he made the complete 180? Do you think it's because what I said?

[Joe]

Listen, man, I. I'm thinking this right here, brother. I'm thinking maybe, you know, he trying to see if he can't dump off your boy Deshaun to somebody, see if he can, you know, put it out.

[Deebo]

He's looking good.

[Joe]

He can't.

[Deebo]

He can be.

[Joe]

He can be what it was that we thought he was gonna be, you know, maybe want to press some of that, you know, that. That guarantee off on somebody else. It's only a year left, you know?

[Deebo]

I don't know, Joe.

[Joe]

I don't know. But, I mean, the optimistic thing for you and the Cleveland Browns is they done got together. They say, you know what, man? We go do this the right way. We're gonna show a united Front in the process and direction in which we going and we're gonna stick to it. You go say. I'm saying we all go see. But it's Cleveland. They probably stumped up. Like they stumbled on this. It was accident.

[Deebo]

We gonna mess around and keep on getting this long. We just need to keep on not doing. Doing the obvious thing, which is get talent in the spots that we don't have it. Wide receiver and continue to get our offensive line right. When we have these skill positions. Running back, quarterback. I like our quarterback. We like our tight end. Defense already. We doing good. Bringing the pieces in.

[Joe]

Just don't start doing Fantasial tight end. Right? Is he tight end?

[Deebo]

I got both. We got Juin and we got my man Fo Fo at tight end who was going to be pro bowl. Yes, sir. So both of them rookies locked in.

[Joe]

Okay. I mean, I like, I like him. I like. I didn't like him when we playing, you know, he. He cost me. He cost. But yeah, you know, as a, as a player. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like him. Your boy sh. Yo, he's. He's. Hey, he's switching from the 12 to the two that he is. The door will be wearing number two in 2026. The number he wore throughout his college at his career at Jackson State and Colorado. He couldn't wear two, I guess last season because a veteran wide receiver Carter already had, forcing him to take number 12. Carter is no longer on the team.

[Deebo]

Yo,

[Joe]

look here, man. What do you think is the reason he's switching it up?

[Deebo]

Because, bro, he loves number two. Number two, what's his number? He always rock number two. He has a connection with number two. You know, look good, feel good, play good. He always wore it. That's his jersey coming in. The vet had it and you know how that goes. Buddy tried to get him to pay for it. Shador was a fifth round pick. Money looking funny a little bit. He was like this, nah, that's what I'm not gonna do.

[Joe]

And money wasn't looking funny, man.

[Deebo]

He wanted to pay.

[Joe]

He got all that money in Colorado.

[Deebo]

Funny he did. Debo. He just went cheap. He just didn't want to pay for it. That's what he did. He got the money. He had the money, but he was chilling. So he's like, you know what? I'm not going to pay for that. I'm a rock this 12. See what's up. I'm going to just make it. You know what I'm saying? That's 21 backwards. That's my dad's number. You know what I'm saying, Pop? Still could be good. Then my man gets let go. He's no longer on the team. Two becomes available. It's the number that I want. Very similar. When I was in the Steelers, I wanted 23. Mike Mitchell tried to buy it, tried to buy it, kept on raising the price. He was like, no, no, no. I got too much attachment to it. I'm like, God damn, Mike. So I had to go to Rob G and buy 21 off. Rob G for the low, you know what I'm saying? Rob G looked out, so I'm in. Stillers, they weren't playing. They look like, nah, Joe, you got the bear. What's up, Raul G was like, man, give me 24. So I had to pay for 21. Next year, my good man Mike Mitchell. Loved him to death. Guy release. So then the 23 was there. Got the 23 for the free. I wanted 23 the whole time. This gives me Shador vibes. He wanted two, didn't want to pay for it, Went Debo on it. Now 2 came available, gets it for the free. 99. He's happy. He's in his number. He's ready. He wanted it from the beginning, but he wasn't trying to pay. And now he paid. He got it for free. Jersey number came open. Now he's going to be two. I feel like for the rest of his career, because it's just the number that he wanted the whole time, no question.

[Joe]

Listen, bro, I don't think people understand how getting that number that you balled in, that you was a dog in, can make you feel.

[Deebo]

It's. You have a literal you, that's your number and like you ruined your whole life, you know what I'm saying? It just that it just makes you feel like when you go into your locker and now you playing in the NFL, you got Shador Sanders number two. Like, that's your stuff. Like that's never going no matter what. Once you retire, you got that Shador Sanders NFL 2. Like, I wanted to switch my jersey number when it went single digits. I wanted to have a number five so bad. I was like, man, just gimme one more year. This my 13th year. I could have went single digit. I just wanted a five. Hayden, like, I wore Florida. Oh, would have been lovely. Couldn't do it. So I understand what the numbers, that numbers mean a lot, bro.

[Joe]

Yeah, bro, I totally understand it. 100, matter of fact, three number three and number three I will never touch.

[Deebo]

Let me give you this, that's a fire. That's a fire number. Single digit three, bruh.

[Joe]

Listen, let me tell you why, bro. So I was 16 throughout my high school career, you know what I'm saying? So I go and I switch to number three my senior year because it was a new jersey and I had dogged mine. Mine had all the numbers. 16, okay, 16. So I go and I'm like, you know what? I'm switch to three because it's a brand new jersey. You know, it's my senior year. All the other stuff, you know what I'm saying? I wanted, I wanted to be clean because mine had war wounds on it, you know what I'm saying? You know what happened, bro? I got suspended three games my senior year. Lost every scholarship offer I had except for Kent State. I could have went almost anywhere, bro. I had oh State, I had Notre Dame, I had Nebraska, bro. Back when Lawrence Phillips was there. They wanted me for running back. Those, those teams wanted me for running back. It was Michigan and Michigan State. They wanted me for linebacker, dude. As soon as, as I was able to get back on the field in college, it took me two years, bro, because I tricked off two years in college. So I only got to play three years of my time in college. And back then as soon as you hit college, your time started. So it don't matter if you was on the team or not.

[Deebo]

Your clock was running, there's no red shirt.

[Joe]

So my second year on the squad, I was able to get the 16, bruh. I was back. I was back.

[Deebo]

Why did the 3D. Why did the 3 feel like you got suspended for the 3?

[Joe]

That 3. That 3, bro. That bro. That 3 was dangerous. But listen, I ain't touching that. I think it was. Well, I know it wasn't three, but it was a lot of self destruction stuff, you know what I'm saying? Hell, the two years, bro. Listen to this. This is how bad it was, bro. The two years that I was out, okay? My senior year, I left high school at 195 pounds.

[Deebo]

Wow.

[Joe]

By time I to play again, Bruh, I was 270 pounds, right? I will never forget 80 pounds once I walked on, bro. 270 pounds. Pray I never forget, bruh. The first spring practice I ended up walking on. At that time my head coach was actually Dean Peace. He was the D coordinator for what, like the Patriots, the Ravens, I think it was a couple other teams. Okay, so they got us like running around the track, you know, doing, you know, doing the running and then you know, they bring you up at the end, sit you down, and, you know, he do his talk. This is first year there, so he just came in. So the coach that actually brought me in as a prop was gone. They fired him. He's gone. I never even got to do anything with the team, bro. So, like, so, bruh, I'm sitting there and he's going, you know, he's doing this. You know, he's doing his lines, and he hits something like, you know, if you can't do it or, you know, or if you don't want to do it, basically, you know, if you're lacking the effort, you know, we don't need you here. So, you know, you know, basically, get

[Deebo]

your ass out of here, bro.

[Joe]

And I'm sitting there, Joe, Joe, Joe. I'm walking laps. I am so out of shape. I ain't walking laps. And I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh, he talking to me. Talking to me. Hey, hey, Joe. Oh, hey, Joe. He talking to me. You, man. Hey, hey, I'm. Listen, Joe, I'm looking. I'm looking. I'm looking at the door like this. I'm like, I'm about to get up right now. And Mac out this door, I'm like, I am gone, bruh. And as I'm sitting there, the thought that go through my head, I'm like, you know what? Yeah, he talking to me. He's saying. He's saying, I can't do it. He's saying, I. I ain't even got the wind.

[Deebo]

Saying, you ain't got the wind?

[Joe]

I need that negative. I need that negative motivation. That kicked in, bro. As soon as that kicked in, I'm like, yeah, I'm staying here. I show you. Y' all wrong, bro. And the crazy thing is the relationship I have with. With Coach P's right now, like, it's crazy from there on, even today. Like, I recently just talked to him probably last week, week before last, like. And, dude, matter of fact, we're gonna have to get him on here. He could tell you, dude, like, how terrible I was, dude. Like, it was in embarrassing, bro. Yeah. The shape that I. Bro, it took me a good. It took me a good year and a half. Damn near two years to get back. By the time I got back, I was. I was 236 and a half percent.

[Deebo]

See, he had you. You ain't gonna quit on yourself, Debo. That's what you ain't gonna do, bruh.

[Joe]

I'm sitting there and I'm looking, bro. And I'm like, oh, God, he talking to me. I'm, you know, I'm about to leave. No, ain't about to be just talking to me.

[Deebo]

Crazy, bro. Straight up, bro. But you was out there. You was out there walking laps, though. You. So you knew he was talking to you, right?

[Joe]

I couldn't run, bro. After one lap, bro, my back was locked up so tight. I was out there like I was eight months pregnant, holding. Hold my back like this, bro. Trying to get around track.

[Deebo]

It's a cardio, right?

[Joe]

Man, it was bad. It was so bad.

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