Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Dexter Lawrence Requests Trade, Deebo Forgot How To Squat, Masters Menu

Summary

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Nightcap Podcast - Debo & Joe, Part 2: Dexter Lawrence Requests Trade, Deebo Forgot How To Squat, Masters Menu

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe ("Unc"), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson ("Ocho")
Date: April 7, 2026
Guests: Joe & Debo

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers the signature, unfiltered sports banter of Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson, joined once again by Deebo and Joe. The night’s conversation swings between hilarious gym stories, an insightful breakdown of Dexter Lawrence’s trade request from the Giants, reflections on NFL contract dynamics, the surprising affordability of the Masters food menu, and a lively exchange about wine and family moments. Listeners also get answers to fan-submitted trivia and a tease for Friday’s episode with Steelers receiver Michael Pittman Jr.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Weightlifting Woes and Squat Comebacks

(00:54 – 07:22)

• Debo brings up weightlifting stories with Joe, poking fun at Baker and reminiscing about past gym feats.
  • Debo: “Check out Baker right here. You lift weights like this?” (01:01)
  • Joe: “I can’t do that. Not right now. Nope.” (01:43)
• Both joke about their current leg strength, squatting abilities, and aging bodies.
  • Debo confesses multiple knee surgeries and not squatting in almost three years; his first attempt back is humbling.
  • Debo: “I didn’t know you could forget how to squat.” (04:14)
  • Debo describes muscle twitching after a set at 135 pounds and comically failing at 225.
  • Joe relates by talking about mobility issues and their new focus on general fitness rather than powerlifting.
• Discussion shifts into family legacy: ensuring strong legs to “wrestle” with the kids and stay competitive.
  • Joe: “Don’t mess with my legs.” (06:56)

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2. Dexter Lawrence’s Trade Request & NFL Contract Politics

(08:02 – 17:11)

• Debo drops the big headline: Giants DT Dexter Lawrence requests a trade with two years left and no more guaranteed money on his $20 million/year deal.
  • Lawrence is frustrated at the lack of guarantees and being paid middle-tier, while other D-tackles have surpassed him.
  • Debo: “He’s letting everybody know he wants to be traded so he has a better opportunity...” (11:18)
• Both hosts back Lawrence’s move, connecting it to the NFL’s business realities.
  • Joe: “When you see these players… yesterday’s price is not today’s price is real life going on in the NFL.” (12:03)
• They highlight double standards: teams expect players to take pay cuts when underperforming, but fans criticize players for holding out when they’ve outperformed their deals.
  • Debo: “Y’all don’t have that same feeling when they tell the player, ‘take a pay cut...’” (09:49)
  • Sharpe and Johnson both say they have “no problem” with Lawrence’s tactic.
• Segment includes comparisons to previous holdouts and notes the league’s “what have you done for me lately” culture.

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3. Vikings' GM Search Oddity

(17:12 – 20:46)

• Brief admittance of confusion over the Vikings’ decision to delay their GM hire until after the draft.
  • Debo: “You’re expecting a GM to come in and agree with whatever it is y’all picked up…” (18:42)
• Both joke this puts the new GM in a tough spot, having to “inherit” picks he didn’t make.
• The discussion highlights how decisions are made at the top, questioning who’s accountable for draft results when the GM isn’t yet in place.

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4. The Masters Menu – Affordable Eats at a Pricey Event

(22:17 – 28:02)

• Deebo and Joe marvel at the famously cheap concessions at The Masters, comparing it to NFL stadiums.
  • Debo: “Ten dollars, bruh. Ten dollars. You can’t get a water at an NFL game for ten dollars, bro.” (22:24)
  • Both express awe at the menu’s affordability and how it enhances fan experience.
• Joe describes his Masters visit—no cell phones allowed, everyone is truly present in the moment.
  • Joe: "Everybody there, you are just there in the moment, chilling. Nobody got no phones." (23:34)
• Humorous banter over what items they’d choose—the pork barbecue, the breakfast sandwich, “double hydration” with waters, and skepticism over pimento cheese sandwiches.
  • Debo: “It ain’t a such thing as a cheese sandwich where I’m from.” (27:46)
  • Both agree the cheap menu, tradition, and atmosphere make The Masters a must-experience event—though Deebo jokes he can't stay quiet on the course.

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5. Wine Talk and Family Moments

(29:20 – 33:54)

• Deebo regales Joe with a story about his 40th birthday wine party, where guests snubbed expensive bottles in favor of cheap, familiar wines.
  • Debo: “She pulled it out... it’s barefoot, bro. It’s sweet. It’s... your bottom brother, when you killed that.” (32:29)
• Lots of laughs as Deebo laments blowing money on fine wine when guests preferred “Barefoot Chardonnay.”
  • Joe: “They went right to the store, got it. Telling you, Debo, that’s actually hilarious.” (32:36)
• The conversation dips into palates evolving from “sweet stuff” to appreciating more complex wines—ending with plans to share bottles of dessert wine.

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6. Fan Interactions: Super Chat & Trivia

(34:06 – 37:26)

• The hosts shout out “Covenant Life” for sending Super Chat questions:
  • Trivia about Joe’s historic start as a freshman at cornerback and Debo’s standout three-sack game vs. the Ravens.
  • Lighthearted banter as Deebo tries (and fails) to recall Joe’s first opponent.
  • CovLife quips about Augusta being “bougie in the middle of the ghetto.” (37:26)
• Teasing future guests: Michael Pittman Jr. scheduled for Friday’s show.
  • Debo: "We want to thank y’all for joining us... We’ll be back here Friday with Michael Pittman Jr., newly acquired receiver for the Pittsburgh Steelers.” (40:13)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|---------|-------| | 04:14 | Debo | “Yo, I went in there this, bruh... I didn’t know you could forget how to squat.” | | 09:49 | Debo | “Y’all don’t have that same feeling when they tell the player, ‘take a pay cut...’” | | 12:03 | Joe | “Yesterday’s price is not today’s price is real life going on in the football in National Football League.” | | 22:24 | Debo | “Ten dollars, bruh. Ten dollars. You can’t get a water at an NFL game for ten dollars, bro.” | | 23:34 | Joe | “Everybody there, you are just there in the moment, chilling. Nobody got no phones.” | | 27:46 | Debo | “It ain’t a such thing as a cheese sandwich where I’m from.” | | 32:29 | Debo | “She pulled it out... it's barefoot, bro. It’s sweet. It’s... your bottom brother, when you killed that.” |

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Weightlifting / Squat Story: 00:54 – 07:22
• Dexter Lawrence Trade / NFL Contracts: 08:02 – 17:11
• Vikings GM Search: 17:12 – 20:46
• The Masters Menu Segment: 22:17 – 28:02
• Wine and Family Anecdotes: 29:20 – 33:54
• Super Chat / Trivia & Outro: 34:06 – 40:32

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Final Notes

This episode is vibrant with personal stories, authentic athlete perspectives on league business, and plenty of laughs. Deebo and Joe move seamlessly from gym talk to the contract chess match NFL players face, then onto the joys of simple pleasures—good food, family, and a cheap bottle of wine. For fans of sports, life wisdom, and classic barbershop talk, this Nightcap is a must-listen.

Tune in Friday for the next episode featuring Michael Pittman Jr., now with the Steelers!

Transcript

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[Joe]

Since the day we met.

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[Debo]

Wow. Hey, but speaking of Tampa, man, you say you lift weights, right?

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

Check out Baker right here. You lift weights like this?

[Joe]

Who that?

[Debo]

Yeah. Zoom in. You see what it is?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

Count the plates. Go ahead, run that back for him.

[Joe]

That's Baker. Who?

[Debo]

Baker. Baker. We in Tampa. Baker.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. Pick a big swole.

[Debo]

Remember he used to play with you? Y' all got rid of him. Stefanski.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's what. Yeah, I'm a bigger fan.

[Debo]

You lift weights?

[Joe]

Yeah, I can't do that.

[Debo]

Like that.

[Joe]

Not right now. Nope.

[Debo]

You don't lift weights. Like.

[Joe]

That's all I'm trying to tell you. I'm not the quarterback. What I'm trying to do, go to the. What I'm trying to do, set a world record. I'm trying to stay in shape.

[Debo]

Number 495. Joe.

[Joe]

Not. Not right now. Not on my back.

[Debo]

Squat. And you get to hold on. I could pro. I could. Okay, Back then.

[Joe]

Back then. For sure. For sure. For sure. Easy. I don't need. I don't even need a hat.

[Debo]

Sets. Sets of ten.

[Joe]

Come on, Debo. I'm. And I'm low.

[Debo]

Yes. Ah.

[Joe]

I'm in the bucket with it. I might go butt the calf if I have to.

[Debo]

No question.

[Joe]

Come on, man.

[Debo]

Only for real.

[Joe]

But.

[Debo]

Right.

[Joe]

But like, after that. Now I'm lifting for. To keep my. You know what I'm saying right now I got sponge, not spongebob muscles, but you know what I'm saying.

[Debo]

I.

[Joe]

Look, I'm trying To look good. I'm trying to make sure I can, you know what I'm saying? Still run Spongebob, still, you know, I'm saying be sweet, not Spongebob. But I'm throwing up to 225. Like, I just need 10 times 10. 10, 2, 5, 10, 10. Hey, Joe, now that's. That's just as strong as I need to be over 10. Then I'm like, dang, I'm. What am I trying to do now? Do I need to compete? Should I start trying to compete? You know what I'm saying?

[Debo]

Listen, listen, Joe, I got to tell you, I don't even know why I'm gonna tell you this, man. Because it's gonna look bad. All right? So, Pete, gang. No, I had a few, like, knee surgeries, you know, I had a few meniscus, you know, the last couple years, right? So I really done. I really stepped away from the squat game. I started doing leg press, right? And I really stepped away from that, too, right? So I hadn't really did any real squatting in almost two and a half, three years, right? Yeah, Joe. No, Joe. No, Joe. I planned on going light. I was, you know, I'm used to doing, like. I used to be able to take, you know, 565 and, you know, do three sets of eight. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, okay. Yo, I went in there this, bruh, but this was Friday or. Or Friday or Sunday, bro. I'm like, all right, I'm gonna go in here and squat. I go in there squat, bro. I put the bar on just to get the movement. Yeah, bro, I didn't know you could forget how to squat.

[Joe]

Oh, no, Your whole. See, your form. Your form was off.

[Debo]

Yo, form is trash after. I can't believe I've been telling you this, bro.

[Joe]

Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead, strong man. Let me know what's up, bro.

[Debo]

After one set of 135, bro, my muscles were twitching.

[Joe]

10 just.

[Debo]

What, you get 10 reps, bruh.

[Joe]

10 reps at a 135, bro.

[Debo]

My muscles was twitching. I'm like, all right. Maybe they just getting used to it. So I'm like, all right, let me go to 225, bruh. I go to 225. I can't figure out why I cannot squat right anymore, dude. Like, I. I'm adjusting four and five times trying to get down there, like, right? It was. It was the most garbage thing ever.

[Joe]

But what's up?

[Debo]

It was yesterday. I came back, though. I didn't get up that high. I got to like 3:15. But I felt good about it.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

I wasn't twitching and doing all the movement. So. Yeah, I might have to go into like 30 days of squatting, bro.

[Joe]

Just.

[Debo]

Just to get.

[Joe]

To get back right. Just to get back, right. No, for sure, for sure, for sure. And I think my thing with squatting is my mobility. Cause I told you, my bad hip got that bad hip. So I gotta get down all the way, right? I'll get the leaning a little bit. I'm like, come on, Joe, we gotta get this hip all the way, right? But I'm still squatting smooth. It's just. I gotta warm up. I gotta warm up first.

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I just can't go in there and think it's all sweet to jump down in there.

[Debo]

No, you know, I like to do my. I like to do my warm up first. So I'm like. I'm on the. I do my cardio first.

[Joe]

You do the cardio. That was the most. That's what. The most perfect thing that we did when I worked out with you that day. We got on the. We got on the treadmill first for 45 minutes.

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And I'm as warm as I'm not. I'm past warm. I'm tired now.

[Debo]

When I hit a stretch and then I hit my. Hit my weight. So, yeah, it. Yeah, it was a little different. I ain't gonna, you know, it was. It was a. It was eye opening. But yeah, give me three, four. Give me three. Give me three, four weeks, man. I'm gonna get back up. I don't go no higher than four or five now because, you know, I had a couple microdiscectomies, but I'll get back to 4, 5 for baby sets of 12 to 15.

[Joe]

See, no, I. For me, with my squad now, I don't need to get back up to the four or five. None of that three 15s. Repping that for 10, you know what I'm saying? Three sets. Three to three. Yeah. Three, four, five. Three. Three to four sets. Boom. Solid.

[Debo]

Yeah. You know, they might want to wrestle or something. You know what I'm saying? Joe, you better get your legs right. Cause when.

[Joe]

No, I'm always.

[Debo]

When you look.

[Joe]

Taking care of my legs, bro. I'm taking care of my legs.

[Debo]

Like, yo, come see what this is about, old man.

[Joe]

No, for sure, for sure. I'm leg extensions. You know what I'm saying? I'm making sure. I'm keeping. I'm keeping the quads, the hamstrings you know what I'm saying? I never. Don't mess with my legs.

[Debo]

Them boys gonna be squatting. Five, six, honey. Yes.

[Joe]

And that.

[Debo]

They. They go take one leg and kick you.

[Joe]

Nope.

[Debo]

And it's over with.

[Joe]

They ain't gonna disrespect their dad like that.

[Debo]

Y' all gonna be wrestling.

[Joe]

Oh, they're gonna do it.

[Debo]

Put that.

[Joe]

They ain't gonna have a choice.

[Debo]

They gonna put that leg down. Put that foot in the dirt.

[Joe]

I ain't gonna get the rest.

[Debo]

Lift you up. Don't let them jump

[Joe]

you.

[Debo]

Call your boy, okay? Because if mine jumped me, I'm gonna call you. All right?

[Joe]

For sure. For sure.

[Debo]

You understand?

[Joe]

Please. Hey, listen, I' ma just send you a lot. I'd be like, hey, listen, ain't nobody over here.

[Debo]

Ain't nobody over here like below victim weight, you know, so you're gonna have to make sure you work it. Now, listen, I still got young one. He might be like 180. You might. You know what I'm saying? I'll give you him. I'll take James.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. One. We right. Even same weight.

[Debo]

Oh, yeah, yeah. You got action, too. You got action, too. No question about it. You got no base run over here to the Giants, baby. Giants tackle Dexter Lawrence has requested a trade. He said he will not participate in team off season workout program. Lawrence has two years remaining on his deal and is currently scheduled to make 20 million this upcoming season. Oh, he has no more guaranteed money. There it go, Joe. A man ain't got no more guaranteed paper. Joe, do you find it surprising for him to ask for this? Are you surprised that he asked for a trade?

[Joe]

This is. No, this is what he. When you are in the point of your career, when you know you're trying to hit the table, you're trying to always. If he didn't have a good season or if he did have a good season, you know it's only too many more times you can get a cut at that app, you know what I'm saying? A slice at the pot, trying to get another contract. So when you seeing other people get deals and you feel like your money isn't where it should be and you know, like you're still under that 30 years old where they. When they're not just taking your cut, they're not just taking your money, they're not just giving you a less contract because of your age. When you still feel like you can get that bag, he's trying to go do it. So being able to feel like he's outperformed some of his contracts, seeing other defensive tackles signed for more money than him. And he knows, like, I. I just. It's not gonna be too many more times I can do it. And I think that's. That's what it is at this point.

[Debo]

Yeah. So if you look at it, I guess he signed his deal in 2023. He was getting paid around the, you know, the top guys at that time. When he signed it, other guys signed the deals. Of course, it's no longer in that range. I think they said he's like around, like 10, middle of the pack. Somewhere around there, contract negotiation. He's trying to get some more guaranteed money. His money is not no longer guaranteed. But you got a new coach in Harbaugh. Harbaugh said. I think in February he said Lawrence is super, super important and he's a cornerstone football player. And he's like, okay, well, show me. Prove me. Prove it to me and show me by paying me. And I already know it's people out there that's gonna be like, oh, well, you know, he signed a deal, you know, so he should just go ahead and play. Nope, nope. Y' all don't have that same feeling when they tell the player, hey, take a pay cut, because they don't feel like he's playing up to the value that they're going to pay him at. And right now he feels like he has outplayed what they had given him thousand percent. Biggest thing is no more guaranteed money left on his contract. And the last year of his contract, which is not this year coming, but next year, he actually gets paid almost four, five million dollars less. And, dude, I think where he's at is, yo, it's smart for him to ask for the trade now so that you don't. You're not asking for a trade after the draft. He's letting everybody out there know that he wants to be traded so he has a better opportunity of a team that may be looking to draft that position. They like, you know what? We can go and get him and fill that spot right now. I have no problem with it. I'm cool with it. Just as I'm, you know, understandable. If I'm the owner and you want to ask for a pay cut, you go have to be understandable as he is outplayed the contract. Of course, last year he didn't have that great of a season. But you're talking about a guy that clogs up the middle, that's going to take two every time, and he is definitely the top, if not one of the top. He's one of the top, if not the top tackle on, you know, on the inside right now. So I have absolutely no problem with this and I'm all for it, brother.

[Joe]

Deebo, you. When we, when we, when we connect, when we think the same thing, we think the same thing. Like the coaches, I don't feel mad at like the ownership too. When they're trying to get players to get pay cuts, if you underperform your contract, they quick to chop it up and tell you to take a pay cut. You're a none. You're underperforming. This deal. We need to restructure. When the, when the shoes on the other foot, he's outplayed this deal, he feels like he doesn't have any more guaranteed money. He sees the market. It's been three years of other D tackles signing and resetting that market. He's just seeing that number go. Yesterday's price is not today's price is real life going on in the football in National Football League. And when you see these players are like this. No, like 20 million sounds good to you, but another dude in my same position is making 40 and, and I think I should be right around.

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[Joe]

Since the day we met.

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[Joe]

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[Debo]

AT&T business Wireless Connecting changes everything.

[Joe]

That. Because this is my last time to get this guaranteed money to get that contract to where no matter when you say guarantee, when. No matter if something happens to me, I can get chopped. I won't get another deal. There's no more money coming forward. So then they can start using that against me. So when you say, I think the

[Debo]

biggest thing for him is the fact that it is no more guaranteed. Yeah, no, for sure that's the biggest thing for him. You know, I think the top guy is maybe, like, maybe 5 or 6 million higher than him.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

Or no, take it back. Maybe closer to 12 now. Think about it. But his range would be closer to 5, 6, 7 million higher, you know? But the big thing is he has nothing left as far as a guarantee. And the last year's deal is like 15 or 16 million on that. On that last year.

[Joe]

So, yeah.

[Debo]

Yo, show me or let me go get it somewhere else.

[Joe]

I'm not mad. I'm not mad at it. I'm not surprised by it. Hopefully they could figure something out. But when you see players do this, I don't. I'm not surprised when you see good players.

[Debo]

Guess who did it. Guess who did it last year. The other year, brother. Last year? I think it was last year. Was it last year? Yeah, it was last year. Guess who did it last year.

[Joe]

Was it

[Debo]

your boy's mouth did he had no guaranteed paper. Like, hey, let me go, but, oh, you know what to pay me. And you want to guarantee this right here? Yeah. Okay.

[Joe]

I got you talking about a good man. You know, Cam is trying to figure out what's going on with the bread last year. Like, just when you feel like you're out playing your deal, you see other contracts happening in the same spot. And the NFL is not for long. What have you done for me lately? They be ready to take a cut if you wasn't doing good?

[Debo]

Yes.

[Joe]

I'm trying to go get that dough if I'm outperforming my stuff.

[Debo]

No question, bro. I have no problem with it. I'm all for it. I want to see more of it. Can't stop thinking about it. Don't want to see it in Pittsburgh, though.

[Joe]

What?

[Debo]

I'll play. Y' all play under your contract. I'm a fan, though.

[Joe]

No, because we. Look, we. They're gonna look, that's the other thing. Don't ask for no restructures then. You know what I'm saying? Either way, y' all gonna be. I'm not gonna ask for the restructure, and y' all don't ask for a restructure. If I have a good season, I. All right, everything's good. If my season wasn't as good as it was. It's averages. Laws are averages. Like, we signed this deal at the beginning, and y', all, I got me for four.

[Debo]

Y' all want to finish now, don't.

[Joe]

You gonna get what you're doing? I'm gonna give you my best every single year. It may not be this every time. I'm gonna get. Boom. It might go a little bit. Okay, don't worry. We're not gonna tell you. You gotta take no money off. Hopefully that thing get back up to what it's supposed to be. Okay, listen.

[Debo]

The owner started this when they started asking for pay cuts. Y' all signed a man to a contract. Then y' all want to tell him, oh, you ain't play good enough. Take a pay cut. So don't be surprised when he done outplayed his contract. He's like. He's a race shoot on that foot.

[Joe]

That's the only thing I'm saying. I'm not like.

[Debo]

I want. Yes, I want to hear. I want to hear. Look here. What I'm finding a little confusing, though, is the Vikings won't begin the GM search until after the draft. Why is that? Why do you think that is, bro? Like, what makes you. Huh.

[Joe]

So.

[Debo]

So you won't.

[Joe]

So this is what the only. My only question would be, is this, who will be the. Is the head coach or the owner, the ones picking the players? Who's. Who wants to be in control then instead of the GM that's normally the person that kind of does that stuff. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Debo]

So I guess it's going to be the head coach, and I would think the owner that would be making the. Cause I guess right now they got a temporary gm. I can't. I cannot pronounce that name.

[Joe]

But okay, they got a temp GM right now. Yeah.

[Debo]

Let's call him kom. K A K A M. I don't know what that name is. Nope. I ain't about to mess it up. I ain't even about to mess it up. Joe. Try that name, Joe.

[Joe]

They didn't even put it on mine.

[Debo]

It just says, no, no, no, no. Hit the. Hit the. Hit the hit, the hit, the hit, the dock, man. Try that name, brother. I can't. I can't get that one. I can't get. I ain't gonna try that one. But my thing is this.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

You're expecting a GM to come in and agree with whatever it is y' all picked up and then have to take, I guess, responsibility for that and not have any say or knowledge of the process that led to it. I don't understand that. Yeah, so you got to give him leeway. So if y' all don't do good, you got to give him leeway. Ever get that GM job, make sure y' all sign for like, seven years.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

You need a good three to four before you get people in place that you need to make sure you can have the players you want to start developing.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's what I just started.

[Debo]

Picking and picking up guys that are already established.

[Joe]

Yeah, I'm. Who am I just. Who's making. It just doesn't make any sense to me, honestly, like, yeah, I'm lost, brother. You're just gonna kind of. You kind of putting somebody out to dry in one way, or you're letting him know that, man, you got some leeway, because these ain't the players you pick. So it's a little bit. A little bit of both. I just want to know whoever does pick the players, who. Who's. Who. Who's going to be the one that's going to be able to.

[Debo]

Who's.

[Joe]

Who's deciding? Because I want you. I never, like, when you don't know, so you never know who to blame. You never know who's able to point the finger that this is who you pick. This is why you picked them. Okay. Now you can at least stand on from the success. Now the GM wants to take all the success. Like, oh, yeah, they were. They were good. What a. What a great, great draft class. But if they're not good, anybody just, oh, no, that wasn't me.

[Debo]

There's no way they can. Yeah, you can't even put this on him. You can't. You already saying you're not gonna hire a dude until after the drive. So basically, the dude that come in has to be in agreeance with who you drafted, because he can't come in there and be like, you know what? I wouldn't have picked this dude up. But they did. But, like, you can't. Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah. So after the search, they got to just be like this. Whoever y' all got. Yeah, I'm all with. That's why I would have picked, right?

[Debo]

Oh, yeah. I liked all these.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. Oh, man. God.

[Debo]

Great. Great pick. I'm stepping into, you know, already made, you know, spot and all I got to do is. Is going here and getting. Nah. Yeah.

[Joe]

Your board is my board. Right.

[Debo]

You know what?

[Joe]

Wow.

[Debo]

As I was applying for this job, I was, I was. I was looking at who you guys drafted. And you know what? It was identical to who I was thinking about and where I was thinking about getting them.

[Joe]

I'm telling you, you talking about studying for a job with all the answers. You got answers to the test right there. Those are your favorite players.

[Debo]

I might go for gym. What they paying over there for? The Vikings, man? What the gym making over there, man? I know I can go make me a pen.

[Joe]

It ain't peanuts.

[Debo]

Hey, it ain't peanuts.

[Joe]

Ain't peanuts. The lights on, that's for sure.

[Debo]

I need something to keep the lights on, you know what I'm saying? I'm over here bad. Down here bad, man.

[Joe]

Man, you a liar.

[Debo]

Wi fi. You my wi fi. Going out, all that. You know, I can't get good service sometimes that's.

[Joe]

That's just the weather. That's just the weather sometimes knocking it out.

[Debo]

I ain't gonna lie, Joe. Maybe I ain't paid my bill on time. I mean, no money wasn't coming in. You know it wasn't coming in. What happened with yours, Joe? No tight. I know yours wasn't about no money. Yeah, I know you always look here, man.

[Joe]

What's up?

[Debo]

The Masters. Look at the Masters, brother. Look at the massive prices on these burgers, man, on all this food.

[Joe]

How.

[Debo]

Why is this food so cheap? That's crazy.

[Joe]

I've been to the Masters one time and couldn't believe.

[Debo]

Most expensive sport ever got these prices.

[Joe]

Hey, they were great.

[Debo]

Why. Why don't the NFL give us no prices like this, man? Why don't the football game give us no price like this, man? I give, I give, I give me some. What is that? Pork barbecue. Some pulled pork right there, brother. Look here. Put that up there. Build your ten dollar order at the ma. Ten dollars, bruh. Ten dollars. You can't get a water? I don't think for ten dollars at an NFL game, bro. Did this maybe a water.

[Joe]

It's. It was. It was actually amazing how cheap this stuff was. They do a great job by that, Debo.

[Debo]

Why is that, Joe?

[Joe]

I. I don't. I don't. They. I don't. They must make so much money for the tickets or the people to get in the Masters. That they really not. They really not.

[Debo]

They ain't trying to grab the little stuff. They getting sponsorships and all that right there. They ain't trying to rob the fan that's just trying to come and see somebody play some golf, huh?

[Joe]

They just want you to come in there and you can't bring yourself, have

[Debo]

a good time, bring the family, be able to eat, drink.

[Joe]

And there's no cell phones. There's no cell phones on property. So everybody there you are just there in the moment, chilling. Nobody got no phones, no phones. That was into it.

[Debo]

You ain't up there trying to.

[Joe]

Nobody's probably. Nobody can't be doing that. Nobody's on the thing. You in the moment. It's one of the best experiences. I went to Debo and just. It being cheap, it just makes it like, dang, this is what it's all about. They not trying to. They're not trying to just. They're not trying to rob us.

[Debo]

You gotta be quiet though, Joe. I don't know if I can do that.

[Joe]

You can do what?

[Debo]

Be quiet. You know he's going to swing. He's swinging right now. You can't talk in his back swing right now. He's about to. He's got about.

[Joe]

Let's see. It's. No, no, no. It's just at the light, it's. They not. They not swinging back to back to back to back. So it's like this. Like. Just calm down for a second. You swing and then you could react to it. And we're chilling. We're watching the shot. Da, da, da. And you got you another three minutes until when the dude goes behind. He's about to hit. They throw their hands up like this. And then that's when we gota be like.

[Debo]

That's when you shut up.

[Joe]

That's. We all shut up real quick. What?

[Debo]

No, no. See, I can't take that. You ain't about to be telling me shut up.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no, no. See, they gonna say shut up.

[Debo]

I'mma get throughout the masses, baby.

[Joe]

No. Well, we had so much fun though. But you go post up.

[Debo]

Is the master the same place every year, Joe?

[Joe]

Every sing, every year at the same exact place. Augusta, Georgia.

[Debo]

Augusta, Georgia.

[Joe]

Beautiful.

[Debo]

We might have to golf.

[Joe]

Golf course. The most beautiful golf course in the world I seen. And we just walking on it, chilling, looking like. Cause now I'm really into golf. And that spot was unbelievable.

[Debo]

Maybe Tiger will be back next year.

[Joe]

By then, who knows, man, look, when I was there, Tiger was there. But he was limping. I think it was 20, 22. And he just got out of something, and it just looked hard for him to walk a little bit.

[Debo]

Yeah, he probably limping right now, too.

[Joe]

He definitely.

[Debo]

Oh, yeah, he.

[Joe]

Oh, I didn't get to talk to you about that. He was looking tricky.

[Debo]

Hey. Hey. He said, yeah, I was just on the phone with the president.

[Joe]

Just on the phone. Me sent me. I took off the phone with Donnie.

[Debo]

Hey, man, put the prices back up, man. I need Joe to give me that 10 order at the Masters, man.

[Joe]

Oh, the 10 order at the Masters, man. I'm going with the.

[Debo]

What's your sandwich, brother?

[Joe]

My, my. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. I ain't gonna lie. Pork barbecue.

[Debo]

I'm with you.

[Joe]

Yep. And, you know, second row, breakfast. I'm. I'm a breakfast sandwich, but I'm a. I'm honestly, I'm a sauce. Egg and cheese, but if they got bacon, egg and cheese, I'll do it. But I'm a. First and foremost, I'm gonna go sausage. I might go cheese. But I mean, I'm gonna go the breakfast sandwich. So we send the six, and then I'm gonna go chips. I'm gonna go chips on some chill. You gonna go chocolate chips.

[Debo]

I'm with you on the first two, Joe, but I really ain't chipped. I. I just ain't tripping. I started to say chipping. I really ain't tripping on the snack because it ain't really nothing there that's really jumping out at me. Listen, I'd rather. I'd rather go and get me a iced tea and a water.

[Joe]

Oh, see, that's what.

[Debo]

Okay.

[Joe]

No, I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do two. I'm gonna do two waters because I don't really like. I don't really do too much. I see. I'm do double hydration with a breakfast sandwich and a pulled pork, because the breakfast sandwich, hopefully it ain't dry.

[Debo]

You know, they doing that sweet tea down there, not a JoJo.

[Joe]

Okay. No, no, that's a fact. That's a fact. But I'm gonna still double water it. I'm gonna double water it. Okay. Yeah. Smooth. Hey, Joe, what up?

[Debo]

They got a $50 cheese sandwich. Pimento cheese. What is that?

[Joe]

Pimento cheese. See, everybody was talking.

[Debo]

You should know cheese.

[Joe]

I mean, everybody.

[Debo]

I don't. I didn't nothing, Joe. But that's how you know this is. This is a Joe. This is a little.

[Joe]

This Is a little different.

[Debo]

It's a lighter event. It ain't a such thing as a cheese sandwich where I'm from.

[Joe]

It's just. It's just light. It's basically. It's, you know, real light. It's like, almost like. Like little bites.

[Debo]

I've heard of a grilled cheese.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

I ain't heard of a pimento cheese sandwich, man.

[Joe]

That's my first time hearing a pimento cheese sandwich. Yeah. I ain't gonna lie. No disrespect. Was not the biggest fan of the pimento cheese.

[Debo]

Yes.

[Joe]

You know, it's all good. That's why. Nope. Teach his own gloves.

[Debo]

Definitely, dude. Like, I don't. I don't know. Let me flip back. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna have to stay with the pull poor. I might hit the fresh fruit.

[Joe]

Wow. Yep. That's what I thought she was gonna do at first.

[Debo]

Okay, so I'm sitting. I'm sitting 550 right now, right.

[Joe]

I'm not a cookie. You a cookie person. D.

[Debo]

What I really want to get to, though.

[Joe]

You want some wine?

[Debo]

No, I ain't trying to get. I ain't trying. I ain't trying to get to the wine. I don't like the white wine. I'm, you know, I like when I was younger, before I. My. My palate, you know? Yeah, I was a. I was doing all this sweet stuff.

[Joe]

You were a dessert wine, you know, Boom's farm.

[Debo]

You know what I'm saying? Joe, let me tell you about this, dude. I had a birthday party, right? I had my 30th birthday party, dude. So I don't bought this wine collection, dude. So I didn't got into. Or was it 40? I think it was my 40th birthday. Take it back. It was my 40th birthday party, so I didn't gotten to this, you know, I didn't got into the wine thing. You know, it's tasting good, all that, right? Yeah, bruh. When I say I got red wine, dude, like, I got. I got. I got Petrus or people called Protruse. Like, I got. I got one.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

And I, you know, and I'm having my 40th, so I invited a few people, whatever. Got my family there, man. I got all this wine out. I got lady there to serve the wine. All this, dude, I got, dude. Like, you name it, bro. You know, everything. Everything, bro. Everything. And I'm talking you, your bottom. Your bottom bottle might have been 250, 300. Your top bottle was around 4, 5 grand, right?

[Joe]

Yep, yep, yep. There you go, talking. You got that good bag.

[Debo]

That's how I went broke. Let me get back. That's what. That's what happened, Joe. That's how I'm broke. I ain't got no money now.

[Joe]

All right, bro,

[Debo]

Sitting up here and, you know, I'm trying to do a little fancy thing, man. I got my homeboys that. That got a little tasty. Oh, man, this is hitting, man. I got. You know, I got. I got. I got. I got French Bordeaux. I got everything, Joe.

[Joe]

Everything. Yes.

[Debo]

And my people, of course, my people. Oh, this nasty. This tastes. Oh, this nasty. Tastes terrible, right? So I'm like, man, y' all don't know what. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

I'm trying to swivel it a little bit. So hold on.

[Debo]

All of a sudden, bro, I hear they talking about, oh, this good. This real good, man. It's real good. So I'm like, what they talking about? I'm like, hey, what y' all like? What y' all like, right? So they like. It's this one right here. So I go over to the. You know, the lady I got serving them. I'm like, which one they like? Which one they like, bruh? These. These people. These people don't went into the refrigerator and grabbed a big bottle like this, right? Yeah, it's barefoot Chardonnay something, dude.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

She did not even have it on the table. She was serving it from underneath because she was like, I just didn't think you wanted it up there. Hell, no, I don't want it up there. You know? I'm like, what are they drinking? And she's like. I'm like, which one they drinking? So I'm looking. You know what I'm saying? I'm looking at the white burgundies and all that. She's like. And she pulled it out from under. She's like, it's this. I'm like, these. These people don't went into the refrigerator, bro, and grabbed, like, two half gallons of Bones Farm or something. Barefoot. Something like that, right? It's barefoot. It's barefoot. That's what it was. It's barefoot, bro. It's sweet. It's. It's. It's. You know, it's your bottom brother, when you killed that.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

And then they was mad. It was no more. I said, man, y' all can run your ass to the store and get that for 5.99. And you know what they did?

[Joe]

They went right to the store, got it. Telling you, Debo, that's actually hilarious.

[Debo]

They talking about, I don't know why he got this nasty ass wine out here. Don't nobody want this. You know,

[Joe]

I'm telling you, it'd be like that family and wine though, like you said, you were like that at the beginning. You were only drinking the whites. Yes, he was only drinking the whites. The same with me. The Riesling, the bubbly, the dessert wines. And then you started like, oh, man, this is too sweet. And then you start getting ready when

[Debo]

you come here, man, we go have to try this, this, this nice little dessert wine I got for you, man. I got, I got, I got, I got a little bottle that, that shot told to Kim. I got an 86 for you.

[Joe]

Okay, okay, okay. Okay. There we go. Yeah, I'm gonna remind you. Don't worry.

[Debo]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I know, I know you like wine, so you know what I'm saying, I, you know, I ain't too on the sweet stuff, but you know what I'm

[Joe]

saying, you know, you know, more if

[Debo]

you ain't on the sweet stuff, then you ain't got to go there.

[Joe]

I'm on the sweet stuff.

[Debo]

I got some, I got, I got, I got a little bit. I got, I gotta. It ain't that old. Maybe, I got maybe like a couple bottles of that 2004 like came. I'm not Cayman's, but okay, There we go.

[Joe]

That's what I'm talking about. Elvis 1. Yes, sir.

[Debo]

Yes.

[Joe]

Okay, okay, I got it.

[Debo]

I got it on the rummage sale.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. Yep, sure did.

[Debo]

159, Joe. $59, Joe. Let's hit the super chat real quick. Joe, we got, you know, we got covenant, like $10. She stayed with us. She stayed with us. She said, James. Oh, well. Do you know your co host, Joe, was the first true freshman in Florida Gator history to start at cornerback on opening day. Which team did they play? She's asking me or she's asking you,

[Joe]

Then she asking you, but I don't know. You don't know?

[Debo]

She asking me. How well do I know Joe? I know which team he played.

[Joe]

Ain't no way.

[Debo]

Another pole.

[Joe]

See?

[Debo]

Children of the po. Joe, hold up. Your very first game, right?

[Joe]

Very first game.

[Debo]

Warm up game. Yes, warm up game. Okay. So it wouldn't be a divisional game. Out of conference. Did you pay him to come there?

[Joe]

Obviously.

[Debo]

Okay. It better not be Kent State.

[Joe]

No, hold up.

[Debo]

Do you know who it is? You looking it up, Joe?

[Joe]

I don't know who it was. I think it might be.

[Debo]

Hey, Joe don't know himself. Joe don't know himself.

[Joe]

I think it was Western Michigan, though. If I had to just really guess. I thought it was Western Michigan, but I still didn't get it. Ask Covenant Life who it was.

[Debo]

Covenant Life.

[Joe]

Who was it?

[Debo]

Put it in the chat. I'm looking for it right now. Look for it, Joe. She know who it is?

[Joe]

She definitely know who it is.

[Debo]

Oh, I'm gonna go to the next one. She sent another $10. She said, Joe, do you know James 2007, breakout game against the Ravens. Had three and a half sacks, three forced fumbles, but also recorded a famous tackle on a punt return in that game. Who was this hall of Famer. Oh, that's easy, man. That's all over tv.

[Joe]

And that's the one. You hit him, made him fumble. The ball flew in the air.

[Debo]

Yeah, see, you saw that.

[Joe]

No. Yep, yep, yep.

[Debo]

And we just talked about that game the other day when we was on with coach. Didn't we talk about that?

[Joe]

Coaches talked about how you was rocking people on special teams. That's all we. He say the Pacifics of when and who.

[Debo]

Yeah. Come to life. Said it was Western.

[Joe]

It was Western. Okay. No, I knew. I knew it was Western. I promise you. I didn't get to see it. But, yeah, Western Kentucky. Because they wasn't scary. No, I didn't. I said Western Kentucky. But the. The only thing was the real game that I remember was. I think it was my third. Like, my third game when we played Tennessee, that's when got real. Because when we played West Kentucky, our team was way bigger than their team. I'm like, okay, this isn't really looking cool. Tennessee came in there and was looking just about the same size as our team. So I was like.

[Debo]

I was like, oh, okay.

[Joe]

Okay, we got.

[Debo]

Hey, you up there now. Damn.

[Joe]

Yeah, I looked. I was like, man, they linemen look victim weight on west of Kentucky. This might not get. This might get ugly for them.

[Debo]

Oh, man. Come to Life. Back again. $10, she said, please remember, it's Augusta Bougie in the middle of the ghetto. Thanks again for a memorable episode yesterday. I watched it a lot. If Troy coming, let me know now so I can fix my hair.

[Joe]

You a funny one.

[Debo]

I mean. I mean, I'm in. I'm in. I'm in talks with Troy, but y' all know Troy is not really a person that likes too much of the limelight. I may have to give up, you know, maybe one of my first Bonds or something, you know.

[Joe]

Oh, man.

[Debo]

You know Just to get the man on the show. I'm working on it. You know what I'm saying? You know, I'm gonna have to either give up one of my kids, one of my animals, one of my reptiles. I'm gonna have to give up something, you know what I'm saying? So I might have to give up Mango.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

Drag. I may have to. I don't know if you want Kevin. Kevin. A snake. I don't know how you feel about snakes. Maybe my dog. Maybe. I don't know.

[Joe]

We'll see.

[Debo]

I'll give him James, but I don't think he gonna want James, so. Yeah, I'll let you know in time. Enough. Get your head dead, though.

[Joe]

Yeah, a thousand percent. I'm gonna let you know, because we gotta get some. What's the name? We gotta get the Browns in here, too. So I already. Yeah, I'm gonna let you know. But Browns.

[Debo]

You know who we do have coming in here on Friday?

[Joe]

Who?

[Debo]

Wide receiver Michael Pittman Jr. Is scheduled

[Joe]

to be with us.

[Debo]

Okay. So y' all make sure y' all don't miss no Friday. Okay.

[Joe]

I like that.

[Debo]

Yes, sir. Hey, Joe, I ain't gonna lie to you.

[Joe]

What's up, yo?

[Debo]

I mean, you could talk to Joe Thomas and, you know. Yeah, but don't. Don't say nothing, you know, about. Just don't bring up I might have called him because he's a Joe. When things was kind of sketchy in Mexico. So I hadn't. I hadn't. Hadn't called him back and let him know that, you know, it wasn't going to happen. So he might. Might bring that up. But I just wanted to give you, you know, let you know that I had called him. And did you reach out Debo and Joe? I had to hit all the Joes up, you know what I'm saying? And that was like a perfect, you know what I'm saying, to keep the Browns.

[Joe]

Keep the Browns going. I mean, and then, like I said

[Debo]

right there, we had you in the middle, you know, I didn't.

[Joe]

If I didn't make it, that was the perfect Joe.

[Debo]

I just. Just wanted to let you know.

[Joe]

Yeah, for sure. I appreciate that. I appreciate you letting know.

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Thank you.

[Debo]

Yeah. Look here, man. We want to thank y' all for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you, like, subscribe and download where you get your show. We will be back here Friday with Michael Pittman Jr. Newly acquired receiver for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Joe.

[Joe]

Love it. Well, I'll see y' all on Friday, same place, same time. Let's get it.

[Debo]

And we out.

[Podcast Host]

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