Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Johnny Manziel to Make Boxing Debut, Terrell Owens SLAMS Jerry Jones

Summary

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Nightcap Podcast: Deebo & Joe - Part 2

Date: May 8, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (Unc), Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson (Ocho)
Guests: Deebo Samuel & Joe Hayden

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap brings together Deebo Samuel and Joe Hayden for an unfiltered nighttime sports talk session. They dive into the spectacle of Johnny Manziel’s upcoming boxing debut, analyze Terrell Owens’ sharp rebuke of Jerry Jones, and peel back the curtain on player-team relationships in the NFL. The duo also field questions about tickets, family, parenting, and even get into some NBA playoff banter—mixing candid stories, humor, and real talk on the business and culture of pro sports.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Johnny Manziel’s Boxing Debut (03:18–07:56)

• Initial Reaction:
  Deebo and Joe discuss news that Johnny Manziel will be fighting Bob Menery in an exhibition boxing match.

  • Size and Physical Comparison:

    • Joe: “Johnny’s bigger than Bob” (04:21)
    • Deebo: “Manziel... they said he was like 205, 5’10…he just shy of 6 foot. So if, if buddy, you saying he ain't… he ain't above victory (weight).” (04:44)

  • Fight Analysis:

    • Deebo questions if Bob has any combat experience:
      “I don’t see it. I see him doing golf and stuff all the time... I don’t see nothing about physical combat sport.” (07:09)
    • Joe leans in favor of Manziel:
      “I think Johnny gonna take the W on this one, Coach.” (05:23)

  • No Bad Blood:

    • Deebo: “The crazy thing is they ain’t even got beef…they like each other, homies.” (05:38)
    • Both see it as a business/money-making opportunity and actual friendly competition.

  • Glove Size & Safety:

    • Deebo: “They said something about four ounce gloves or something…ain’t nobody knuckle man. You know what that feel like?” (06:16)

2. Terrell Owens Blasts Jerry Jones & Player-Team Relationships (09:27–16:52, 20:02–29:51)

• TO's Comments:

  • Deebo reads Terrell Owens' quote:
    “I could care less about Jerry Jones. I don’t concern myself with the Cowboys. The Cowboys haven’t concerned themselves with me since I left there... The way things ended there with the Cowboys, I could care less.” (09:30–09:53)
  • Both discuss how even players with strong performance may end with “sour” breakups if trust is breached.

• Trust & Honesty in NFL Business:

  • Joe: “It’s big business, but it’s still personable… For a teammate, that bond is so much powerful... you feel like if you talk to somebody, can they tell me the truth?” (10:20)
  • Deebo: “If you can’t sit there and tell me the truth, I can’t believe nothing that comes out of your mouth from that day forward… Don’t lie to me.” (13:58)

• Double Standards with Winning Players:

  • Deebo points out Jerry treats Super Bowl winners like Troy Aikman and Deion Sanders differently:
    “Guys that won championships, it’s probably a different relationship or a different way he talks to them.” (15:53)
  • Joe notes Emmitt Smith even had to fight hard for a contract (16:46).

• Personal Experience with Team Management:

  • Joe shares his own experience being lied to by Browns' execs about his release:
    “Called the Browns... They was like this, no, we’re not gonna release Joe. So they lied to me. Next thing you know, I got released.” (22:27)
  • Deebo: “If I know you’re a person that’s gonna lie to me, I’m gonna put you in this box. I’m not gonna sit here and play with a rattlesnake and then be surprised when it bite me.” (22:53)

• Praise for Honest Management:

  • Joe: “With the Steelers… they kept it a bean with me the whole time… That’s honesty right there.” (29:51)
  • Deebo: “Kevin Colbert and Omar are the ones that I would tell you right now… they keep it a buck.” (30:20)

Notable Quotes

• Deebo, on honesty:

  "If you can’t sit there and tell me the truth, I can’t believe nothing that comes out of your mouth from that day forward. Once I realize that you will lie to me... I’m gonna keep you at a distance." (13:58)

• Joe, on NFL business:

  "Owners are your friend until you’re not." (12:38)

• Deebo, on moving on:

  "I can have a relationship with you and realize... you’re going to cut me. But be honest with me about that and we have no problems." (13:52)

3. Free Tickets Myth, Family, and Perks (34:08–37:20)

• Joe reveals players have to pay for tickets and suites:
  “…sweet in Cleveland, Joe, 100 bands. 100,000 every year, taken right out the check.” (36:24)
• Deebo: “We do not get free tickets, okay? To the football games. We don’t get those.” (36:38)
• Both discuss how, as retired players, they sometimes get “better hookups,” but even then, limits apply:
  “Right now… you ain’t getting nothing but one or two…max.” (41:16)

4. Parenting, Legacy, and Raising Children (45:09–47:54)

• Asked about seeing themselves in their sons, Deebo stresses prioritizing his sons being “better men,” not just athletes:
  “I want to see a person that is far greater than me in every aspect of their life… that has absolutely nothing to do with football.” (45:41)
• Joe: “I don’t want to live vicariously through my child. I want my child to be way better than me if he wants to play. If he does not want to play, I…” (46:29)
• Both emphasize they don’t pressure their sons to follow in their athletic footsteps, and value well-rounded growth.

5. AFC North & Browns vs. Steelers Banter (42:23–44:54)

• Chat sparks debate about whether the Browns could win the AFC North.
  • Deebo presses Joe for a yes/no:
    “Do you win? Yes or no?” (43:07)
  • Joe dodges with, “The north is up for grabs…I don’t know who’s going to be my starting quarterback.” (43:10)
• More playful smack talk about both teams’ prospects, with Deebo playfully roasting Joe for optimism on the Browns.

6. NBA Playoffs and Miscellaneous Banter (50:11–52:05)

• Joe excited about Cavs in the playoffs, keeps hope alive:
  “My Cavs, though. I still believe we gonna come back and win the series.” (50:58)
• Deebo pokes fun:
  “They calling that man the calf killer…after they win game three, I’ma call you because I know you’re gonna be on suicide watch.” (51:21–51:23)

7. Community, Family Shoutouts & Closing Thoughts (52:05–54:26)

• Mother’s Day: Both hosts give love to all mothers (52:18–52:23).
• Joe’s Grandfather:
  • “It is my grandfather’s 84th birthday today…Happy birthday, AKA Pop Pop.” (52:31)
• Reflections on Family:
  • The hosts swap stories about family size and parents, with laughs about large families and fatherhood.

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Memorable Moments & Quotes with Timestamps

• On being lied to (Joe Hayden, about the Browns):

  “No, we’re not gonna release Joe…So they lied to me. Next thing you know, I got released. So my whole thing is like, it’s the business. I got lied to, but I took it on the chin…” (22:27–22:39)

• On free tickets (Joe):

  “That suite in Cleveland, Joe, 100 bands. 100,000 every year, taking right out the check.” (36:24)

• On Manziel’s boxing abilities (Joe):

  “Johnny’s bigger, so...Yeah, he not. Johnny athlete, Johnny hoop, golf, everything, right. He knew a little bit of everything.” (05:07–07:45)

• On honesty from coaches/front offices (Deebo):

  “Some GMs...just straight up, hey, I don’t think you got it anymore. Some dudes sugar coat...Most cats, they get the straightforward, like, yo, I appreciate your honesty.” (27:31–28:20)

• On raising children (Deebo):

  “I want to see a person that is far greater than me in every aspect of their life. That has absolutely nothing to do with football and being a godly man. That’s it.” (45:41)

• Banter about ticket limits:

  “You ain’t getting nothing but one or two. Two max. Don’t be sitting here trying to get four tickets. Who you think? No, you get two of them joints…” (41:22)

• Deebo on Browns-optimism:

  “We need to have a intervention because you are on drugs. You are talking crazy.” (44:10)

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Listener Q&A (Superchats) Highlights

• Ticket questions:
  Players must pay for suites and family tickets; no “freebies.”
• Parenting:
  Both hosts emphasize they want their kids to be happy, not pressured into football.
• Fan art:
  A listener shares that they paint while listening, and Joe/Deebo ask to see the artwork (49:00).

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Final Thoughts

The conversation weaves entertaining athlete banter with deeper commentary on the realities of NFL careers. Themes of trust, honesty, and loyalty run throughout discussions of business decisions and personal relationships in both sports and family life. The genuine camaraderie between Deebo and Joe adds warmth and laughter to serious topics, making the episode a rich listen for sports fans and anyone interested in the human side of professional athletics.

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Upcoming Guests

• Monday: Josh Cribbs
• Tuesday: Special (TBD), revealed on Monday

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End of Summary

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[Joe Hayden]

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[Deebo Samuel]

They say Johnny Manziel go fight your. That. That dude, Bob. What's it. What is it, men?

[Joe Hayden]

The dude.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah. Who you trying to call Johnny? Hey, I tried to hit him, Bob. I tried to hit him too early.

[Joe Hayden]

I think Johnny in la, so it might be a little.

[Deebo Samuel]

I. I think. I think he. And. And I think they both over there. Over there too. I. I ain't get. I ain't get. I ain't getting no response back. So. Yes, Joe, who you got?

[Joe Hayden]

Johnny, who you got?

[Deebo Samuel]

Why? Why?

[Joe Hayden]

Because.

[Deebo Samuel]

Because what?

[Joe Hayden]

Because I don't think. I don't think other. I don't. What's my man name? He's fighting.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, yeah, Bob Menary.

[Joe Hayden]

I think Johnny got him. I don't. I don't. I don't know Bob too well. I met him. I met him before.

[Deebo Samuel]

Have you seen how. Yeah, I just wanted to know.

[Joe Hayden]

He's not big. He's not big. Johnny's bigger than Bob.

[Deebo Samuel]

What do you call not big?

[Joe Hayden]

Definitely in your perspective, Debo, the most victim weight that you've seen.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, he. Victim weight.

[Joe Hayden]

He's probably. I don't know, he might be. He might be right at, you know, he's like one. Because he's not that tall. He's probably one. I'd say like. Yeah, definitely not. I don't think he's over £200. He's not over £200. And I think Johnny's over.

[Deebo Samuel]

Well, I know according to last time, you know, Manzel, they said he was like like 205 10. And you know, he just, he just shy 6 foot. So if, if buddy, you saying he ain't.

[Joe Hayden]

He ain't even.

[Deebo Samuel]

He ain't above victory.

[Joe Hayden]

I think he.

[Deebo Samuel]

And you saying he ain't that tall either. He taller than him too.

[Joe Hayden]

So you saying Johnny taller and I think a little and more heavy. Yes. I. When I look, I'm like Okay. Boom. Because I seen him and I've seen him before and he wasn't. He's not Johnny. Johnny's bigger, so. Yeah, he not.

[Deebo Samuel]

Johnny looks small.

[Joe Hayden]

Well that's football players can spare to just regular. He my man. He's regular. Regular size, not football size. Yeah, I think Johnny gonna take the W on this one, Coach. I wanna. I need that. I need. I'm get him on the line for sure.

[Deebo Samuel]

So I. Dude, the crazy thing is they ain't even got beef.

[Joe Hayden]

They just gonna do it whole time. They like each other homies.

[Deebo Samuel]

You know what they.

[Joe Hayden]

They making some. They gotta be. That's gotta be real competition.

[Deebo Samuel]

They gotta be making some purpose.

[Joe Hayden]

Got you. I'm gonna get the inside. I'm gonna get the inside scoop. But I know Johnny not taking no free fall. They going in there really awesome. I think I can beat you. You're gonna have to see me.

[Deebo Samuel]

They said. He said something about four ounce gloves or something. And. And I thought. I thought they used six or eight or something, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Look, when you're doing these type of battles, you could pick whatever you want. They. They go bare knuckle.

[Deebo Samuel]

No, you ain't nobody knuckle man. You know. You know what that feel like when you get. You get that knuckle flushed up against your tooth.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm just saying this.

[Deebo Samuel]

Did you see when Kimbo sliced.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh my goodness.

[Deebo Samuel]

That boy eye out his head.

[Joe Hayden]

That was scary. That was scary. But people did. I'm not. I'm not saying me. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying you could put. They could do 4 ounce, 6 ounce, 8 ounce. They just could whatever they want to do. This isn't professional boxing. This is a. This is exhibition.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah. And he ain't no athlete either, man. He can't. I don't see him.

[Joe Hayden]

My research. You never know. He might. He might have did some jinjitsu, might do some kickboxing. You don't never know somebody's no. Never know somebody's past.

[Deebo Samuel]

I don't see it. I see him doing golf and stuff all the time. I don't see. I don't see nothing about.

[Joe Hayden]

He's definitely golfing.

[Deebo Samuel]

That's what I met him at Physical combat sport. Yeah, I think. I think, yeah, I might. I'm gonna have to go with you. I think definitely. I think Johnny might put them hands on.

[Joe Hayden]

Show.

[Deebo Samuel]

I think Johnny might put them hands on. I was trying. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you. He was trying to go against me. I was trying.

[Deebo Samuel]

I was trying.

[Joe Hayden]

I was like. Yeah. Why? Cause he's bigger and he's an athlete.

[Deebo Samuel]

I ain't realized. I ain't realized he was above victim weight. He was. If he was a little lower on that chart.

[Joe Hayden]

Johnny's and Johnny athlete, Johnny Hoop, golf, everything, right. He knew a little bit of everything.

[Deebo Samuel]

I ain't seen. I ain't seen Bob do nothing but swing a golf club like.

[Joe Hayden]

That's it. Yeah, I like Johnny. Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

I guess I gotta like.

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you.

[Deebo Samuel]

Even though we need to get anything

[Joe Hayden]

Cleveland, because there's weight classes. That's why. That's why we got you. That's why we got you over. That's why we got you over. Ocho.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm just, you know, for sure, for sure. What are you talking about? We gotta get that. We got to get that going. Ocho don't want that though, man. He don't want that. He don't want that, man. I don't want that for him. I told you I didn't. I'm a changed loop and I don't want.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I could tell, bro. I think. Yep. Since you didn't got on the pod now, bro, you didn't start again. Way more chill. I think it's. The football season ain't started. You ain't seen nobody that pissed you off because the football has been on the field to make.

[Deebo Samuel]

That's what it is.

[Joe Hayden]

That's all it is. The defense ain't got ran through yet to have you come on this joint pissed. As soon as that happens. Yep. I'll know he's gonna be pissed.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, he's gonna be pissed. But it ain't gonna happen.

[Joe Hayden]

Don't let it piss you off.

[Deebo Samuel]

That's something that's reserved and registered for only the Browns.

[Joe Hayden]

What?

[Deebo Samuel]

And any team that the Steelers play. Everybody can get it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep, yep, yep. I hear you, fool. I hear you. I hear you.

[Deebo Samuel]

The Steelers, Terrell Owens, he.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, he.

[Deebo Samuel]

He sounded off on the Cowboys. He said, I couldn't care less about Jerry Jones. Despite some impressive production in Dallas, totaling 3, 587 yards in his three campaigns with the Cowboys. It was no secret Tio had some tension with Jerry Jones. Tio said this week I could care less about Jerry Jo Jones. I don't concern myself with the Cowboys. The Cowboys haven't concerned themselves with me since I left there. That's speaking of Jerry Jones or anybody really from that organization. The way things ended there with the Cowboys, I could care less. I have nothing to say about them. Why do you think there's so much tension there?

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, Debo. When we speak on these, I feel like it's relationships and it's. People don't understand how if you have an owner or if you feel like you have a relationship with somebody, it's a big. It's big business, but it's still personable. It's still. You feel like if you talk to somebody, can they tell me the truth? They can tell me if they can tell me the truth.

[Deebo Samuel]

That's it. That was one of his truthful with me.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, I understand it's a business, and dudes get that. So, like, if an owner. If you're my friend and we kick and you invite me over to your house, we golf, we hang out. Like, we really, really bond. For a teammate, that bond is so much powerful because end of the day, they don't own your livelihood. They don't. They. They can't cut you or be able to send you somewhere else. When you have a relationship with an owner, you feel like, okay, boom, we're homies. We're still cool. Like, if I ask you something, you could tell me. If you don't think that you want to go a different direction, you can let me know that instead of just going in another direction, like. Like, we have a good of enough relationship where I feel like you can let me know and then, like, it is what it is. I'm still. I still might not agree, but you can tell me. So I think a lot of these things. When you hear players come out and speak on their relationships with. With franchises and how things are soured, it's because they feel like they were lied to. They may ask somebody something, and an owner or a coach or somebody's like, hey, what's the situation? Agent reaching out. And they're like this, you know, you're good. You're going to be a lifer here. You know what I'm saying? We're going to get this deal done, and next thing you know, you're traded. And the people with the powers that be, you feel like, man, we are homies. We're friends. Like, you couldn't call me and tell me, I asked you this, and you're lying. Like, you're not telling me the truth. So there's just. People have different relationships. That's why other. When people come out and say this, it's not like he's lying. It may not be his bashing, but he had a personal relationship with Jerry Jones, and he feels like he was disrespected and lied to and not and held distract. So he's like, man, bump them looking at somebody else. If you had your owner coming from your spot, it's just like the relationship. The owners, the people, work for businesses. You don't see him as much. You may not be able to be in contact. He doesn't just invite. You may see him at the, at the, at the, at the Christmas dinner once a year. But these players, us, you see him all the time. Like, he's in the locker room, he's talking to you. You're hanging out. So you feel like, oh, yeah, this is my guy. It's not really because he. Once he does cut you, when he does make that business decision that, oh, yeah, it was all good. But, oh, this is a better move for my team, for the overall thing, because I got everybody in here. So it's smooth. We're friends only on a certain level, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's cool, but I will still cut you. You know what I'm saying? You still are a piece of the puzzle. No matter how much I like you, you're smooth. But there's. There's still going to be a day where I'm still owning this team. You're not going to be on it. CD Lamb's going to come. There's going to be a George Pickens. They're going to be other receivers. There's going to be other players that Jerry Jones is still there to retire, moved on. So owners are. They're your friend until you're not. So people coming out and when they say things like this, it's not. He's like, is he bitter? It's like, dude, he had a real relationship with this man, Cherry Jones. He was out there balling. He felt like, you know what I'm saying? The contract and stuff was going to be good. He was going to be there.

[Deebo Samuel]

He.

[Joe Hayden]

He did. He lied to him. We don't like. That's a conversation that they had. And you could feel like any.

[Deebo Samuel]

Well, if. If what Tio said is true, that he said he was going to be there, that he would be there, and then he was traded and turned away, then it was an absolute 100 lie. And I don't give a rat's ass about the relationship. I can have a relationship with you and still understand the business of it. What I don't understand, want and can't understand and won't tolerate is you lying to. Don't lie to me. You're a grown man. I'm a grown man. It's a business. Give me your honest whatever it is opinion or what it is you're going to do. Don't sit here and sugarcoat and lie to me and then wonder why I hate your guts later and piss on you if you was on fire to put you out. Honesty. If you can't sit there and tell me the truth, I can't believe nothing else that comes out of your mouth from that day forward. Once I realize that you will lie to me and you don't know. Especially if you don't know. I don't know. I know you don't lie to me. I can't believe nothing that coming out of your mouth. Then that's the problem. I can have a relationship with you and realize, Joe's the owner, I'm the player. And you know what? At some point, it's going to be a business decision. You're going to cut me. But be honest with me about that and we have no problems and we can still be friends later on. Why? Because, hey, I got old. I had to be cut. You said that. Bop, bop, cool. You ain't lied to me and say, hey, it's going to be this or that. And then it was something else. Hey, we may have to move on. Okay, cool. We may. We're moving on. Okay, cool. Don't say we go get this deal done and then you cut him and release him. Yeah, let's go piss anybody off. But you also have to look at. It's Jerry Jones. It's guys that either love Jerry or hate Jerry.

[Joe Hayden]

And.

[Deebo Samuel]

And for the most part, guys that love Jerry, Troy Aikman, Deion Sanders, Emmett Smith, guys that won Super Bowls. Jerry, go treat them a little different. He may be a little more honest with them. You know what I'm saying? Like, look at, you know, what's. Oh, my goodness. Why am I drawing the blank on Irving? Michael Irving. Michael Irving loves me. You want championships, it's probably a different relationship or a different way he talks to them or, or how he. Or how he responds to them. Then you know what? He may. Maybe he never lied to him. Who knows? But I'm telling you, the guys that won, he obviously got a different relationship with him because most of those guys speak highly of them. Hell, it's a lot. You. You really throw that money when they're getting your championship at the championship.

[Joe Hayden]

But at the same time, he. He was, he was hard for Emma Smith to get that contract for. For a minute.

[Deebo Samuel]

Right?

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[Deebo Samuel]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[Deebo Samuel]

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[Joe Hayden]

It's still business. Still. Still business at the end of the day. And I'm with you on the. The honesty part, but it's like this. Debo, do you feel like if a. But that. That's the owner. That's the owner. What about a. Are you saying. Are you saying coaches too?

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes. I mean, 100 with my thing is this, dude. If you as a man can't be honest with another man, you ain't a man to me. I' ma sit here and lie to you.

[Joe Hayden]

Why?

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, I'm afraid you go whoop my ass. That's what we talking about then.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I feel I'm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can't. It's. It's that.

[Deebo Samuel]

That unless you got a gun to my head and said, if you say opposite of what I want you to say, I' ma kill you. I' ma tell you the truth. That's what men do.

[Joe Hayden]

Then. It's. It's a. It's. It's. Yeah, I. I feel you. But I've seen it so many. I've seen it so many different ways.

[Deebo Samuel]

I don't know. That's what my daddy told me.

[Joe Hayden]

I've seen it so many different ways. Debone, we can't sit here and say that it doesn't happen all day.

[Deebo Samuel]

You have seen it so many different ways.

[Joe Hayden]

So many different ways. Like they look and. And they'll. And they'll put it to business every time. So it's happened to. To all. To. To. To. To a lot of the players and especially on your way out the door. So I'm saying with the. With the younger dudes, if.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay, so why are you telling this man a lie? Are you trying to either. What are you doing? Like, if you don't know, you can say, hey, we. I don't know how it's going to go. We're making some decisions. How hard is it to say that?

[Joe Hayden]

It's not.

[Deebo Samuel]

But if you know. Yeah, Abraham, I ain't gonna lie.

[Joe Hayden]

We gotta let you go. What did they just. What Just was devil's advocate. They're working. They're working on stuff. They're trying to figure it out. But it's not. It's not set in stone.

[Deebo Samuel]

We're working on stuff. We're trying to figure it out. It's nothing stone. How hard is that to say?

[Joe Hayden]

You're a puzzle piece, though.

[Deebo Samuel]

We're trying to figure it out. We don't think about it. I don't know. How hard is it to say? I don't. Bro. I really don't know. We're trying to do something. I don't know if it's gonna go this way or that way. I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

This is the thing. Sashi Brown and them. Because I was in the situation when we called the Browns talking about, are y' all gonna release Joe or not? They was like this, no, we're not gonna release Joe.

[Deebo Samuel]

So they lied.

[Joe Hayden]

They lied to me. So next thing you know, I got released. So my whole thing is like, it's the business. I got lied to, but I took it on the chin as like, oh, it is what it is. I'm gonna go find my opportunity elsewhere.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes, you find your opportunity to do that. But now I know I can't trust or believe nothing you say from this day forward. And I'm gonna keep you at a distance. Yeah. I have to know who you are. And if I know you're a person that's gonna lie to me, I'm gonna put you in this box. I'm not gonna sit here and play with a rattlesnake and then be surprised when it bite me. Yeah, no, no. The person you're dealing with, and you put them in the right box so that, you know, hey, when I deal with this person.

[Joe Hayden]

But that's. That's the part. That's the thing I wanted to say, too. I'm never really. Never putting ownership or coaches or GMs in this. In the point where, like, I really trust anything that they say. You know what I'm saying? Like, because at the end of the day, they. They're trying to. Their job. They have to protect their self. Hey, they're trying to do.

[Deebo Samuel]

And that. That had to happen. That. That didn't happen. Until they lied to you, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[Deebo Samuel]

Until this.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Yes. But that's. That's where. When you first come into the league, though, you un. You. You're not. Well, this is the earlier.

[Deebo Samuel]

No. I can sit here and tell you, hey, this is going to happen. That's going to happen. Dude, Watch this. Watch that. Watch that. You not go believe it until it happened to you, because as far as you concerned, that's that man's problem. That's something he got going on with him.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Deebo Samuel]

No, bruh. It's. If you know that he's going to lie, he's going to lie to everyone. He's not going to just lie to one. He will lie to the people that he needs to to get done what he needs done. Because he's a liar, period.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. I'm telling you. I'm with you a thousand percent. I don't think that there's going to be really. Then any true. Unless, like, there's no loyalty in it at the end of the day. Like, that's what.

[Deebo Samuel]

And this is the thing. You have some coaches, you have some GMs, you have some owners who have no loyalty to anything other than them getting what they want. It doesn't matter what happens to any person, player, coach, whoever it is that works for them, okay? And then there's some that's going to tell you exactly what it is, and it don't matter how you feel about it, because that is the person that they are, not the fucking position.

[Joe Hayden]

I can feel that. I can see that because I'm listening to Robert. I can see where. Yes. Owners are doing that. Robert Kraft, with Tom Brady being able to keep it real, just honest. Honest with him, like, let them know, no, you're not going nowhere. And then he don't go nowhere. Or when it's time, Tom, it's all right. We're going to have to go in a different direction. Just.

[Deebo Samuel]

I will tell you this, bro. I would tell you this. When I was in New England, Kraft pulled me to the side, and he was like, hey, James. He's like, I want you. I want to talk to you. I'm like, all right, cool. What's up? He said, why is it that we were able to beat you guys, even though, for the most part, you guys were more talented all together than we were? And he said, do you think it's Tom or do you think it's Bill? Like, and. And he basically was telling, like, he's thinking about. At that point, that was 2017. He's like, he's thinking about moving on from one or the other. He just. He was trying to make a decision, right? And I'm like, I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm like, I think Bill does a great job of coaching. Like, you know, he. He puts his players in positions to be able to get out of them what it is they do best. Dude, we had defenses where we. We had, like, seven, eight different personnel, and he Would switch out two people just to put a guy in there that he knew could do the job that he needed done. And Bill would sit there and be like, okay, if they do this, I'm going to do this. But then he flipped to the other side. Well, how would I go back and defend this? And he'd be ready to kind of react whatever it was that happened, like. And I was like, yo, like, he's good. I'm like, he's damn good, dude. He ended up later, you know, going with Bill and Tom went and got him another super bowl over there. But I. Dude, like, the honesty thing of the is that's.

[Joe Hayden]

That's.

[Deebo Samuel]

That's a real.

[Joe Hayden]

It really. It really is. Debo.

[Deebo Samuel]

I know. I know guys that have been. I know guys that have been cut, you know, from different teams, from other teams, from whatever it may be. And you have some GMs that's just like straight up, hey, I don't think you got it anymore. You have some dudes that'd be like sugar coated with, you know, it's this or that. No, and. And for the most part, dude, most cats, they get the straightforward, like, yo, I appreciate your honesty. I don't feel that way, but I appreciate your honesty on it. And they able to move from it and they still deal with that person, not them up. They go and give them the sugar coat and lie and all the other stuff. They're like, man, I really don't. I'm gonna keep him at a distance. I'll play fake cake, you know, all the other stuff, but I'm gonna keep him at a distance. I ain't gonna give him nothing that I gotta trust and believe what he says. That's all this to it, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you ain't lying. All we can ask for is the dudes want honesty.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes, dude. This is the thing, dude. I could have went back to New England, dude, I could have went back to New England. Bill was like, yo, I want to bring you back. He's like, but I don't want to tell you. He said, I don't want to lie to you and tell you what is going to be and what your role will be until after the draft. And we don't went through the draft. And I was like, cool. And I'm sitting there the whole time, bro. And I'm like, I really don't want to go all the way back to New England. I don't want to be away from my kids again. And I'm like, you know what? I got to retire Because I know if I got to the draft and he called me and he was like, hey, I'm gone. Because I was. I was back in love with the game. I'm gone. I'm gone. I'm like, yeah. And it did. It wouldn't even matter what it was for, to be honest with you, dude, because I want. I just love playing. I like. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, yeah, I gotta retire.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I feel that.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, like. Like that honesty. When I got there, bro, he was like, we're gonna put you in on this defense right here. And, you know, as you learn it, if you're able to learn it, we'll put you in on other ones. I was on everything except for, like, one. One thing. By the time we, you know, we got to the Super Bowl. But like I said, man of his word, he go do what he said he gonna do, and he gonna keep going, and. And that's, like. That's what he did.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, the same. When I signed with the Stillers, too, man, they kept it a. Being with me the whole time. We had real conversations. Omar, it was a Kevin Colbert, just legit. Omar, they let me know what it was, where they stood. So that's why I ended the season. Boy, I knew what time it was. I knew we weren't going to be able to find a way to get that new deal done. So, boy, I didn't even go to the exit meeting because I knew what it was like. It's a business. It is what it is. We already talked. Y' all kept it a buck with me. They went up to the exit meeting. I'm just sitting in my.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm telling you right now, Kevin Colbert and Omar are the ones that I would tell you right now, especially as far as what I've heard from other players with myself being included in that. They keep it a buck.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, they know. You know what? When I go back to the Browns, too, I wouldn't say that on this one. I don't even really think they lied. It was a. Do you. If you don't accept. They asked me to take a pay cut. I said, I'm not taking no pay cut. You don't take the pay cut, then we probably gonna chop you. Maybe didn't believe them, didn't take the pay cut, got chopped. That's on me. That's honesty. That's honesty right there. They told me to take a pay cut, and I said, no, I'm not taking no pay cut.

[Deebo Samuel]

It was probably gonna.

[Joe Hayden]

Probably no no, no, no. That was that. That's on that. That.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep. They ain't lie. They ain't lie. They ain't lie to me. You ain't gonna be able to find. But the real part was you ain't gonna be able to find nobody else with no better deal than this, Joe. You know what I'm saying? They started saying, like, oh, no, your market ain't gonna be out there and that. I hear you. But at least you're telling me. At least you're telling me. At least you're telling me as I need to hit, let me go boom. End up finding a home. But God damn, I had to remember. I look, I go back into the apartment like this. Hold up. Nope, they got the pay. They told they could hit me up. Joe, we're gonna have to give you a pay cut. I'm like this. Oh, because you know why I'm thinking about not taking a pay cut, too.

[Deebo Samuel]

Debo.

[Joe Hayden]

We signed Brock Oswalder to the Dan Browns, and he got $16 million and didn't play a snap. And I'm like, y' all trying to take. Y' all trying to take $5 million from me, and y' all just gave Brock 16, and he ain't do a thing. You're bugging. You're bugging out. I'mma stay right here in my deal. We signed the deal. I got hurt last year. I'm still. I'm still him. You still got me in the.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm still him.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm still in a good contract. I just got hurt. I'll be. I'll be right back.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'll be right back.

[Joe Hayden]

I still got promos in these legs. They like this. Ah, we don't know. Gotta take this cut. I'm like this. Ah, I don't know. I'm not. Okay, okay. So that's how it happened, diva. That's how it happened. Yeah. Okay.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. They.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, they told me they did, you

[Joe Hayden]

know, I said, let me get that dirt off their name. Let me get that dirt off their name. Hey, let me get that off their name.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, you don't take that pickup.

[Joe Hayden]

We might have that pickup, but we might got to get you out the way now.

[Deebo Samuel]

Y' all said might.

[Joe Hayden]

I ain't believe it. They might, but they meant. They meant. Well, it ain't meant they could or they told you it ain't if, but when.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, you might as well had told me, hey, you don't take this paper,

[Joe Hayden]

you might as well had.

[Deebo Samuel]

God.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how it went down. I ain't gonna lie. Remember, like it was yesterday. Now when I'm talking about it in real time, I'm like, this Tank. Yep. Then Drew hit me and said, joe, they trying to get it back. I said, oh, no, Drew, we're not doing that. He's like, okay, bet we're not doing that. Definitely. Super J. I'm with you. Shouldn't take a pickup from. What are you talking about?

[Deebo Samuel]

What I look like? What I look like, Joe? Hate.

[Joe Hayden]

Get out of there, Joe. Okay, so we got options, Super J. They'll cut you. We with the Steelers. I like you a lot. Okay. We got the Dolphins and we got. We got the Saints. I'm like, you know what? I'm going to Pittsburgh. I'm not. You know what? I thought I was washed.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm gonna come see y'.

[Joe Hayden]

All.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on.

[Deebo Samuel]

You know, saying we go, we're gonna come see y', all, man. Let's see what this super chat got going on, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

What they got going?

[Deebo Samuel]

We got Covenant Life. She's back. $10. Thank you very much, Roger. And that Malibu rental car from last year.

[Joe Hayden]

Can kick to be more careful.

[Deebo Samuel]

Kiss Rock kicks. Kiss rocks.

[Joe Hayden]

We tied.

[Deebo Samuel]

You meant kick. I think she meant.

[Joe Hayden]

I think she meant we tie.

[Deebo Samuel]

Tie. Iron will step up to the plate. Hey, Joe. Thank you for your dress.

[Joe Hayden]

Dressing appropriately.

[Deebo Samuel]

Thank you for dressing appropriately. Thank you for dressing properly today. Thanks. How many caps do you have in your reach?

[Joe Hayden]

You definitely was swapping out caps.

[Deebo Samuel]

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

[Joe Hayden]

You seriously got all them sitting right there?

[Deebo Samuel]

I got 16 caps, man. I got everything in my room. One room, Joe, you ain't even count

[Joe Hayden]

the caps behind you.

[Deebo Samuel]

I don't wear those.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, them? Those just.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, I got a couple over there that I do wear, but you can't see those, man.

[Joe Hayden]

You got.

[Deebo Samuel]

I got a one bedroom studio. You know that, Joe, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Yep. There you go, lying to the people.

[Deebo Samuel]

I got one bedroom.

[Joe Hayden]

You got 16 hats in your office. It's crazy work,

[Deebo Samuel]

huh? 19. But hey, least you wore the right colors.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, yeah, it came through fresh with the stillest five. Yes, sir. Practice jersey. Call that a Gator 5?

[Deebo Samuel]

I mean, call it what you want to, man. We gonna call it a sweet call.

[Joe Hayden]

This is Jalen Ramsey.

[Deebo Samuel]

We're gonna call it a sweep by next Tuesday. Cleveland Cavaliers.

[Joe Hayden]

Nope. I'm gonna probably have to be. I'm gonna probably. I'm gonna be endgame four, probably Monday. While 1.

[Deebo Samuel]

While we're cleaning it up.

[Joe Hayden]

While we're making it 2.

[Martha Stewart]

2.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, look here, man. Coming to life. Back again. It's only coming to life. Ain't $5 coming to life. Appreciate you. She said, back in your playing days, how many family tickets could you really get? And today, can you still call for the same love or all those perks gone? She talking to you.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, back in my playing days, I had a suite for the fam. We had 16 tickets a game with like six sweet passes, you know what I'm saying? Making sure they was in there. Cause my parents came to us.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, listen, Joe, this is the problem. Everybody think we get free.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, no. You got to pay for those that sweet in The Cleveland, Joe. 100 bands. Yeah, 100,000 every year, taking right out the check.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Joe Hayden]

We.

[Deebo Samuel]

We do not get free tickets, okay? To the football games. We don't get those.

[Joe Hayden]

No, we get it.

[Deebo Samuel]

When you go and you got like all your family coming. Like, you know, I'm the youngest of 14 and I will have a whole bunch of people coming sometimes, and I had to get like 25, 30 tickets. You know, occasionally those are paid for out of pocket.

[Joe Hayden]

Take it out my check. You're gonna just get. You get the pit.

[Deebo Samuel]

They take it directly out of your check.

[Joe Hayden]

It get it.

[Deebo Samuel]

It is a deduction that's labeled right there. You don't even see it. They don't say pay it to me. Your box comes straight out that check. Yeah, don't worry about it. We get it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. That is crazy right now.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, like, everybody think, man, just give us some tickets. Yeah, I'll be like here.

[Joe Hayden]

Being a retired player, we get way better hookups because they. You call up to the people and they get something.

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[Deebo Samuel]

AI presents painful thoughts I I can't stop scratching my downtown.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, but I'm not itching to go

[Deebo Samuel]

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[Joe Hayden]

They get you, you know the owner. They could put you in a box. They put you somewhere. They give you tickets to get in the building now, right now. Right.

[Deebo Samuel]

You get, you get, you get, you get to the. But you ain't getting. But you ain't getting nothing but one or two. Two.

[Joe Hayden]

Two max. Don't be sitting here trying to get four tickets. Who you think? No, you get two of them joints, you're gonna be in good space.

[Deebo Samuel]

You.

[Joe Hayden]

Hopefully you can bring a homie. You plus one. It's like a wedding when you go into these.

[Deebo Samuel]

I ain't gonna lie, dude. I get. I get me and my kids every, every day.

[Joe Hayden]

You and your kids.

[Deebo Samuel]

My guy, my guy, my guy, my guy look out for me.

[Joe Hayden]

Larry Paul, he would definitely look out. And Thomas Toad, both of them.

[Deebo Samuel]

He always look out for legend. Everything Legend.

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yep. Yep. So Covenant light back again. $10 she said Stephen Jackson, 3, 041 said the Browns could win every game if they started. Sanders, stop, bruh. The chat also said the Browns win AFC North. Joe, let Debo have a moment just to shut this all the way down. You shut this down, man. The Browns win the AFC North.

[Joe Hayden]

What I'm telling you is, bro, don't

[Deebo Samuel]

say nothing goofy and stupid to say. Oh, please.

[Joe Hayden]

What I'm telling you.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes or no question, Joe. I said do the Browns win this one?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm trying to tell. They don't. I don't know. I don't know who's going to be my starting quarterback.

[Deebo Samuel]

Don't nobody know. Do the Browns win with Shador starting? He said they win every game if they start. Who is this goofball, brother? Yes or no? Shador starting. Do they win every game?

[Joe Hayden]

We don't win every game.

[Deebo Samuel]

Do you win?

[Joe Hayden]

North is up for grabs.

[Deebo Samuel]

Do you win? Yes or no?

[Joe Hayden]

The north is up for grabs. He put me on it's too. It's still. I got time. I got time before the season starts. Right before the season. I need to see more. I'm going to training camp. I'm going to be there. I need to put my eyes on it. I don't need to hear nobody else telling me what it looked like. I need to go see what my for myself. That's the best way.

[Deebo Samuel]

So they beat. They beat. They, they, they, they, they, they. They beat the Steelers.

[Joe Hayden]

That's the only. That's the only comp. That's the only time is our Steelers, Ravens not stressing. Bengals not stressing.

[Deebo Samuel]

Bruh. Yeah, you are out of your.

[Joe Hayden]

All we have to do is.

[Deebo Samuel]

Bruh. I want you. We need to have a intervention because you are on drugs. You are talking crazy.

[Joe Hayden]

You.

[Deebo Samuel]

We need to get you help.

[Joe Hayden]

You didn't watch. You don't be watching the Browns the way I be watching them.

[Deebo Samuel]

What the hell I need to watch? What am I not seeing?

[Joe Hayden]

What.

[Deebo Samuel]

What am I not seeing that the records ain't showing?

[Joe Hayden]

Listen, it's a working process on the offensive side of the ball. Now we got our line, we got the same skill players, but better. Okay? Defense didn't go anywhere. Defense is going to get better. Special teams is going to get better. Full team offense. Let's score. We're going to average. We average over 21 points a game. We. We're in there. That's nine. That's at least nine wins.

[Deebo Samuel]

21 points a game against who?

[Joe Hayden]

Against the NFL. What are you talking about? Three touchdowns.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes, Joe, I'm. I'mma sock you in your face.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you not.

[Deebo Samuel]

Joe. Joe Covner got another one. She said. I recently watched Ab show his sons Auto and Ali football footage and you could hear how proud he was and saw him, himself and his sons on the field. Do you men have that same feeling when you see your sons? I see. I don't want my. I don't want to see nothing about me and my sons. I want to see something far greater and better and it ain't got nothing to do with football. I want to see better men. I want to see greater men. I want to see people that love

[Joe Hayden]

more, that care more.

[Deebo Samuel]

I want to see a person that is far greater than me in every aspect of. Of their life. That is. That has absolutely nothing to do with football and being a godly man. That's it.

[Joe Hayden]

I think see kids, be healthy, be happy, enjoy whatever they're doing. Gives me so much joy as a dad. So I want to. I want them to. I want to love what they love. I want them to love something, do it and be like, have passion. So like seeing my kids out there on the field, it. It makes me happy because they're enjoying it, not because I want them to be out there. They like playing, they like being out there, like having fun with their friends. I don't want to live vicariously through my child. I want my child to be way better than me if he wants to play. If he does not want to play, I.

[Deebo Samuel]

A lot of pressure. Joe There's a lot of pressure on

[Joe Hayden]

him, but trust me, you know, who is not giving that pressure. And I make sure I let them know that it's not. It's not from dad. We don't have to do this.

[Deebo Samuel]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Like, we go do whatever.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, bro, we do not have to do this. This is not what you had. I do not care.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't give a damn. I just want you something that you want to do. And whatever you want to do, son, we're going to attack it because you know what you're going to do? You're going to do something. You're not going to do nothing. Don't have to be basketball. You want to do something, though?

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, you're gonna leave here with something.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm telling you. That's going to keep bonding, being around, like.

[Deebo Samuel]

Good.

[Joe Hayden]

You're going. You're going to do something. Track and field, individual sports. You like golf? Listen, like, we can go sweep the club.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, I'm gonna make you something because you need that. I think you need that. I think you need to have some sport that you have to fight and transition through and lose and win and. And. And have ups and bonds and play

[Joe Hayden]

and just, like, structure. I love the coaching, being able to listen drills, listening skills, attention to details. Like, all of that stuff is just so. Just coordination. What you're not going to do is just be walking around here like you don't know how to control your limbs.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, for sure, for sure.

[Joe Hayden]

My man.

[Deebo Samuel]

We got another one. What is this one right here? All right, there we go. What's that go? 2006. 2020. Appreciate you. He said, when will Debo fight Chad Johnson, AKA Ocho Stinko? That said, with warmest regards, God bless you both and the Steelers. Yes, of course. Love the podcast. Thank you very much. I paint while listening. And some laughs are permanent on the canvas, brother. I need to see some of that art, man. I want to see what you paint, please. No, you gotta. You gotta send something. You gotta send something to. To the IG Send something to the IG on Debo and Joe, man. Send it. Send it to the IG. We gotta see. We gotta see what you.

[Joe Hayden]

Please see what that we're talking about.

[Deebo Samuel]

For sure. I want to see what you paint, man. I gotta see what you paint, man. Yes. That fighting with me and Chad, He victim weight.

[Joe Hayden]

You ain't trying to go.

[Deebo Samuel]

I can't. I can't do it, you know?

[Joe Hayden]

But

[Deebo Samuel]

what we got. What's today? Friday. Okay. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

So I think next week we is

[Deebo Samuel]

going to be jumping tomorrow. Tomorrow? Tomorrow. We got.

[Joe Hayden]

No, tomorrow is Saturday.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, Lord. Hold up. Covenant Life. Then jump back. Whoa. Congrats on a hundred episodes.

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you. Coveted.

[Deebo Samuel]

I love you, man, for life. Thank you, Covenant. We appreciate, appreciate.

[Joe Hayden]

Always in the chat.

[Deebo Samuel]

Always come show for show. Like I was saying, man, tomorrow, somebody, somebody, somebody plays a couple teams, actually. Who is that, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

You already know what time it is, my boys. The Cavs and the Lakers and. Yeah. Are you locked in,

[Deebo Samuel]

Joe Deed or. Listen, man, just call me Cece.

[Joe Hayden]

For what?

[Deebo Samuel]

CC you know who Cece is.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't. Cece Sabathia.

[Deebo Samuel]

Chad. Chad would have named it with a la. You call him Mr. Cunningham.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, K Dog.

[Deebo Samuel]

Call him.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, y'.

[Deebo Samuel]

All. Yeah, sorry, K. Y' all call him Mr. Cunningham. K. I was thinking about Chad. Ocho ass. Y' all call him Mr. Cunningham. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

It's a sad. I'm sad to say. The Lakers versus okc. You got a point. That. That. That could get ugly. That could get tricky. My Cavs, though. I still believe we gonna come back and win the series. You don't understand the way the series go. You don't watch basketball, so we need to still.

[Deebo Samuel]

They call. Hey, listen, man. They calling that man. They calling that man the calf killer.

[Joe Hayden]

If they win game three.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, listen, after they win game three, I' ma call you because I know you're gonna be on suicide watch.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna be on my somehow, somehow way.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'll be there for you. Hey, listen, man, I want you to think, though, when I. When that happened, you got kids.

[Joe Hayden]

I ain't doing crazy, okay? I might just. I just. I'm so close to the game. Game for that Mike. If they got. If they need me, I will be right there on the sideline.

[Deebo Samuel]

If they need you, it is over with.

[Joe Hayden]

That is true. That is true. That is true. That is true. That means it's getting ugly.

[Deebo Samuel]

That is getting ugly. You right. You right, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Strictly for moral support. Strictly for moral support. Strictly for moral support.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay, okay. Strictly for moral. I. I could go with that. I could go with that. Hey, and also Sunday is Mother's Day, so we gotta give a happy Mother's Day to all the mothers.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes, yes. We love all the mothers.

[Deebo Samuel]

Happy Mother's Day.

[Joe Hayden]

Happy Mother's Day, Mom.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes. Yes. Happy Mother's Day. And. Oh, hey, I got one.

[Joe Hayden]

It is my grandfather's 84th birthday today. He is the leader. He's the pioneer, Joseph Hayden Sr. And my dad is A junior. And I'm the third. So my grandfather's birthday today. Joseph Hayden Senior. Happy birthday, AKA Pop Pop. Come on.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes, yes. Happy birthday, Pop pop. Hey, let's go. 84, Y'. All. Y', all. Y' all all, yo.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. You know, just in. Pop up. He out there. He's thriving. He is moving and shaking, putting a hundred thousand miles on the car.

[Deebo Samuel]

My mama almost old as your. Your granddaddy.

[Joe Hayden]

That's my grandpa. 80. 80, 84. My grandmama.

[Deebo Samuel]

I am the youngest of 40.

[Joe Hayden]

That's. That's what I'm saying. How old is your oldest brother?

[Deebo Samuel]

He 20 years older.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm the oldest boy. You know what I'm saying, debo? That's that. 20 years older. That. That's basically how my dad is. 20 years older than me. You know what I'm saying? Started young time. 19. 19. Had your boy Dub, 20.

[Deebo Samuel]

Bink. You the oldest, though?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Okay. Yes. He had his five boys between 20 and 27. 28. Done. One of the girls. One of the girls. One of the girls so bad. No girl. Five boys.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, man, I ain't want. I ain't want no girls. Lord knew I couldn't handle that. So he ain't give me one. He don't give you more. He only give you what you can handle. He ain't know it, though. He couldn't handle having a girl. That's why the Lord. He ain't know it. He know it, though. Telling me, Lord say, hey, I can't get it to you.

[Joe Hayden]

I can't give him what you can't handle. I'm gonna give you five little boys.

[Deebo Samuel]

No question. No question. Look here, people. We want to thank you for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you, like, subscribe and download where you get your show, Joe, man, we got a couple for them next.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, we do.

[Deebo Samuel]

Monday and Tuesday. Joe. Let them know who we got on Monday.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe, is that. Is that the 11th?

[Deebo Samuel]

That's the 11.

[Joe Hayden]

Is that my good man coming in?

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

We got young Josh cribs. We got. We got young Josh cribs. We gotta bring some.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, and we good. We ain't gonna tell you who we got on Tuesday, but we're gonna tell y' all after that on Monday.

[Joe Hayden]

But it's a banger. It's a banger.

[Deebo Samuel]

It's a banger.

[Joe Hayden]

We're gonna act the best. Best behaviors.

[Deebo Samuel]

Best behaviors, Best behaviors. We'll see y' all on Monday when we got Josh.

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