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Amber Grimes
This is an I heart podcast. Guaranteed human. It's the new me and it's the old them. This Women's History Month. The podcast if youf Knew Better with Amber Grimes spotlights women who turn missteps into momentum and lessons into power. My, like, tunnel vision of, like, I gotta achieve this was off the strengths of, like, I want to make a better life for us. If youf Knew Better brings real talk from women who've lived it, unpacking career pivots, relationship lessons, and the mindset shifts that changed everything. Listen to if youf Knew Better with Amber grimes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Babes, what are you doing?
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Debo
What?
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Joe
I'm just mowing the lawn.
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Amber Grimes
No, it's blazing hot and dry out here. Don't you remember?
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Joe
Smokey Bear says avoid using power equipment when it's windy or dry. Where'd you learn this? Oh, it's on smokeybear.com with many other wildfire prevention tips.
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Debo
Right. Thanks, honey bear.
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Joe
Cause remember, only you can prevent wildfires. Brought to you by the USDA Forest
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Debo
Service, your state forester, and the AD Council. Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast, here's the Thing, I talk to composer Mark Shaiman. It's about the hang.
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Joe
It's the pleasure of hanging out with
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Debo
the people that you're with. You know, Rob and I was always a great hang. And journalist Chris Whipple. Every White House staffer, they work in a bubble called the West Wing. And it's exponentially more so in the Trump White House. Listen to the new season of here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Amber Grimes
Then she says, have you seen a photo of my son?
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Debo
And I'm like, who is this person?
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Amber Grimes
Welcome to the boys and girls podcast. Arranged marriage is basically a reality show, and you're auditioning for your soulmate. And who's judging? Only your entire family. I sacrificed myself to this ancient tradition, hoping to find love the right way.
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Debo
And instead, I found chaos, comedy, and a lot of cringe.
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Amber Grimes
Listen to boys and Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Joe
This is the biggest night in podcasting.
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Debo
The countdown is on to our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards. Live from south by Southwest, March 16th. We'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative, talented creators in the industry. It's truly a who's who of the podcasting world. Creativity, knowledge and passion will all be on full display.
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Joe
And the winner of the iheart podcast award is.
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Debo
See all the nominees now@iheart.com podcast awards
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Amber Grimes
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Debo
Speaking of the team that you bought for taking care of you, they say some conflicting reports emerging about Travis Kelsey and he's possibly going to be going to test the market. I guess originally it was said that, you know, he was going to be back and that was just basically a given that, you know, he would be there. I think the Athletic reported they expected him to return to Kansas City and then the AP had said if he plays, the only place he's playing is Kansas City and that he won't test the market. Bull spit. Bull spit. He is going to test the market and he should test the market. Hell yeah, test the market. You know why? Because they thinking they about to get this player friendly deal and that is not about to happen. Okay? He's going to make sure Kansas City gives him his worth. It's a business and he ain't doing no player deal. On top of that, you ain't gonna have Patrick Mahomes for most of the year, if not all of the year. Damn right. He gonna test the market. And along with him testing the market, you know who come with me when I go? Taylor Swift.
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Joe
Swifties.
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Debo
Taylor Swift go with me and the Swifties go with me. Hey, boom, here they go. Tickets prices just went hiding. Giraffe, you know what I mean?
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Joe
No, I know what you're saying.
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Debo
They done went higher than giraffe pussy. You know what I'm saying, boy?
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Joe
It's out of there. It's out of there. It's out of there.
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Debo
Look what you think, baby?
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Joe
I don't Debo. I don't know though about this one. I don't know. I think he might chill. I think he might chill. I think he's going to stay in Kansas City and the reason why is for two reasons. He may he might test the market just to see what the value is. And I think Kansas City may match it if he does that. And or Travis, he got Patrick Mahomes there. That's his man's bro.
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Debo
That's his good hurt brother. He's not going to be back until late in the season. Yeah, late in the season. Now they don't if they don't close to matching that. Do you think that he could possibly go somewhere else? Say they talking. They talking 10. Somebody else talking 15, 16.
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Joe
I mean, with. I don't. I could see Trav chilling. I could see Trav being in a comfortable position where, I don't know, like, depending on who's giving him the 15 or 16. I'm not seeing him go to a bad team for more money. Right now, at the end of his career, the money with Trav, he's got a lot of stuff going on, and the dude is up for sure. So with me now, I'm thinking, does he want it? He wants to. I feel like he wants to win. He's not going to want to go out as a loser. He doesn't feel like. I don't think that 4 mil is gonna move the needle for him in too many ways. So I'm thinking he's gonna try to be for sure on a contender or one.
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Debo
You know what? I forgot. You right. You right. That. That.
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Joe
He got his. He got the whole. He got steakhouses in Kansas City. My man got, like. He got real live things going on. Money's cool.
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Debo
Him. So if Seattle say, we want you at 15, and Kansas City say, then, see, I. Ooh.
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Joe
See, that's what I'm saying. I don't.
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Debo
Right there.
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Joe
Right, right there.
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Debo
I love when you stutter, Joe. Cause it's something you don't want to say.
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Joe
It's something where. Am I talking about me, or am I talking about Trav? Am I talking about. You know what I'm saying? Like, what I think maybe he would do is probably still. I don't know. He probably still stayed. I don't know. That's what I would say. I would think so. I would think so. I don't. I. Yeah. I think with the situation now. How many more years? I don't know how many more years Travis is thinking about playing.
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Debo
What if it's LA Rams? What if it's the Rams?
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Joe
Who. That's. That's. That. That's interesting because he likes the golf. They family him, and they got cribs out there in la. So if you say something like that, that makes sense, then you know, that's not. That's not a bad move. And Lala ain't never mad at LA Trav that they've been in la. That goes. That goes together. So we will see the choke to death here. I don't. I, I, I. If I. If you ask me right now, I think he's gonna play With Kansas City for sure. I don't think he's going nowhere.
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Debo
Yeah, I don't think he, I don't think he leaves kc no matter. I mean, I really don't. I ain't gonna lie to you. I just don't see it happen no matter what the, the, the number is. To, to be honest with you, I think he just got too much there. Unless like you said, it's you go, you go that LA route, that's a lot more, you know, lot more endorsement opportunities. Opportunities over there.
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Joe
No, for sure. He got the man. The man, he got options. I wouldn't mind the thing you said too. The friendly deals, if you get in the, if the bag is bigger somewhere else for sure. But it is a contender definitely. But you wouldn't. I'm. I'm just not saying Trap going somewhere winning two games because he can make a couple more. Couple more dollars.
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Debo
Oh, hell no.
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Joe
You know what I'm saying? Being a jacked up situation.
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Debo
Yeah.
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Joe
Because.
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Debo
Yeah, speaking. Speaking of la, man, we stay out there with the Rams. The ransom gave that man, Trent Duffy Four years, 124 million, including a hundred million guarantee made in the highest paid corner in NFL history.
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Joe
Yes Sir. By
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Debo
point nine, $900,000. He got, he makes 31. Sauce gardener at 30.1. You got Derek Sting, he's at 30. Then you got horn 25 and it goes down from there. Ramsey 24. Patrick. Sir. Tan 24. Joe.
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Joe
Yes, sir.
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Debo
Where does put nephew? Nephew. Little peasy. Joy Porter. JOY PORTER jr. Where does put nephew. Where does put nephew at at? Joe?
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Joe
Yes sir. The thing is, the, the thing is he's going between the minimum. It's going to be between 24 at the minimum and then.
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Debo
No, 27 is gonna be minimum. 27 gonna be minimum. And we, and we only taking, only taking 27 if it's fully guaranteed.
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Joe
This is, this is the only reason I'm trying to tell you this. This is a free agent, a unrestricted free agent. So he's going to go and get the highest, highest, highest bag possible. So when, that's why when I was going through the same thing, Revis was getting 16 a year as a free agent. And that's when me, Richard Sherman and Patrick Peterson were going through our negotiations. Pat P. I mean Richard Sherman got 14. Me and Pat B. Got 13, five. And the highest was 16 at Darrell Reis because he was just floating around. Free agent, long term deals were just a little bit less than that. Free agent going to go break the market. So when we Say that like and nephew thousand percent is going to be between. I say like. Like you said over Patrick. Satan got 24 a year. You know what I'm saying? J.C. horn 25, Stingley at 30 in his new joint. Okay, okay, you're making sense. I'm looking at it like you say 27. 27 to 27 to 30. 27 to 30. That's a good mark. 27 to 30. 27. 27. And we're going. We're looking for a 4 year deal.
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Debo
We're looking for a 4 Year.
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Joe
Okay.
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Debo
We might even make 108.
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Joe
So you're looking at 4.1086.
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Debo
But it's fully guaranteed. Fully guaranteed at 26. Fully.
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Joe
Every.
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Debo
Every penny. Every penny.
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Joe
They only gonna 4 for 108.
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Debo
Listen, he got you mark Chase twice a year, man. What y' all talking about?
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Joe
No, trust me, I'm with him getting the bag. I'm with Peezy. He's. Cause he's done what he had to do. He went out that joint balled out. It's getting better every year and he deserves it for sure. So we just talking about now in guarantees. What are they looking like? What are guaranteed numbers? I'm rocking. You trying to go. You're trying to get how much of the contract guaranteed? You're trying to get the full thing.
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Debo
If you're talking anything around 26 to 27. I need full. Need a full bag.
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Joe
So if you're talking all four. Okay, I hear you.
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Debo
I need all four guaranteed, man. What are you talking about?
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Joe
So if you did. So that the 25, that'd be four years, 100 million fully guaranteed. If it was 26, it be four years, 104 fully guaranteed.
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Debo
What's wrong with that?
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Joe
I'm just. I'm just. I'm just telling. I'm just trying to. That's just a lot of guaranteed and I haven't seen.
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Debo
He's got 100 million guaranteed out of 124.
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Joe
108. Out of 124.
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Debo
He got. He got. He got 100 million guaranteed out of 124 dot A four year. 124.
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Joe
So we could go. So you saying four years. I. All right, I hear you. I hear you. I hear you. Hey, I'm just four. So the thing is with the guaranteed money, it's going to be. It's going to cut it off because it's going to be a three year deal with the guarantees. So if Young if. If lil PZ signed a 3 year 7778 fully guaranteed. Do you know what I'm saying? Like that would be 26 million a year, three years fully guaranteed, the whole deal. Do you know what I'm saying?
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Debo
That fourth year, we need four years.
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Joe
Basically. The fourth year is just that extra. That's just the year that you put on there. That it's good for them.
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Debo
That's the case. The number. It ain't fully guaranteed no more. You talking three year, 100, 100 million.
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Joe
That's basically. But that's basically what TJ basically signed. TJ basically signed a three for 108 fully guaranteed. Do you know what I'm saying? That last four for 124. That extra at the end, none. That doesn't really matter. You're going to renegotiate or something's going to happen at that last year, if TJ would have just signed a three year, 108 fully guaranteed, then that's where I'm looking at, Liam PZ doing the same thing as a three year. You know what I'm saying? 78, $80 million fully guaranteed. Instead of putting it 4 for adding that extra year to make it 106. And then they can do whatever they want at that last year.
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Debo
Fully, fully.
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Joe
That's what I'm saying. You might as well just do the shorter deal is what it's going to be. Then if they're going to go fully, it's going to be. It'd be a three year. Three year for 70 something.
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Debo
We ain't doing no less than four. Y' all already had my. Had my guy dropped down to the second round.
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Joe
No, I feel you 30. Because he's trying to get easy. Trying to get 30, 60, 90, 120. He wants a four for 120.
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Debo
No question.
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Joe
For sure.
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Debo
No question. This man had 31. You got two more right there. Sitting at 30.
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Joe
I'm not mad at it. The third. The 30. The 30. That's not. That's. That's just. That's that simple math. That's simple math.
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Debo
But one Twinkie. The Twinkie like, hey, nephew, man, get nephew his money, man. Give him his money, man.
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Joe
Yes.
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Debo
Which I don't want to do. I'm trying to tell y', all. Which I don't want to do is let this man get into this season and then play this season out. And I'm telling you right now, you ain't gonna be able to. You ain't gonna be able to keep me. It's gonna be about 33.
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Joe
You right, because they ain't doing nothing but going up. Ain't doing nothing but going up. So I would say for sure if PZ my man get that little 4. 120. 124 years 120. He can do the same same dealing.
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Debo
Thank you, brother.
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Joe
No, that's what yeah. We saying okay. No for sure.
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Debo
Let's get it. Look here, man. I don't know how this works, but it'll never happen. But Clarissa Shields believes she can beat Rowley in a fight. She was on Justin LeBoy and she, she said this man, is there a
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Joe
male champion regardless of weight?
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Amber Grimes
Yep.
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Joe
That you believe you can.
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Amber Grimes
I beat Roelly. He's a world champion. Rody Ramirez. Listen, it's not about I think Rollie is very unorthodox. He's very strong. Right. But I'm a ambitious, well intentioned, ferocious and wealthy mother. Looks like in the black community. This Women's History Month, the podcast Keep It Positive Sweetie celebrates the power of women choosing healing, purpose and faith. Even when life gets messy, love is not a destination.
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Joe
You have to work on it every day.
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Amber Grimes
Keep it Positive Sweetie creates space for honest conversations on self worth, love, growth, and navigating life with grace and grit, led by women who uplift, inspire, and tell the truth out loud. I have several conversations with God and
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Joe
I know why it took 20 years
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Amber Grimes
to hear this and more. Listen to Keep it Positive sweetie on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's the new me and it's the old them. Everybody's on their journey and your journey is different to theirs. This Women's History Month, the podcast if you Knew Better with Amber Grimes spotlights women who turn missteps into momentum and lessons into power. I think coming out of where I came from, I'm from the Bronx. I think I grew up really poor. I didn't know that then because I very much use my creativity to romanticize life. And I'm like, my mom did a really good job of like, you step back and you're like, whoa. We. I don't know how we made it. So a lot of my life was like built out of, like, survival to get to the next place. Like, my drive, my, like, tunnel vision of like, I gotta be better, I gotta achieve this was off the strengths of like, I want to make a better life for us. If you knew better brings real talk from women who've lived it, unpacking, career pivots, relationship lessons, and the mindset shifts that changed everything. Listen to if youf Knew better with Amber grimes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Babes, what are you doing? What?
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Joe
I'm just mowing the lawn.
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Amber Grimes
No, it's blazing hot and dry out here. Don't you remember?
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Joe
Smokey Bear says avoid using power equipment when it's windy or dry.
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Debo
Where'd you learn this?
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Joe
Oh, it's on smokeybear.com with many other wildfire prevention tips.
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Debo
Right. Thanks, honey bear.
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Joe
Cause remember, only you can prevent wildfires. Brought to you by the USDA Forest
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Debo
Service, your state forester, and the AD Council. Hi, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast, here's the thing. I'm speaking with more artists, policymakers and performers like composer Mark Shaiman.
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Joe
Once you've established that you have the
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Debo
talent, it's about the hang.
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Joe
It's the pleasure of hanging out with
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Debo
the people that you're with. You know, Rob and I was always a great hang.
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Joe
We would sit in kibbutz for hours
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Debo
and then eventually get around to the music.
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Joe
That's what I mostly think of when
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Debo
I think of him. The time together. Laughing Lawyer Robbie Kaplan.
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Amber Grimes
The great gift of being a lawyer is the ability to actually change things in our society in a way that very few people can. You can really make a difference to causes in the United States if you bring the right case at the right time.
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Debo
Marriage equality.
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Amber Grimes
Yeah, Windsor's the perfect example.
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Debo
And journalist Chris Whipple. Every White House staffer, they work in a bubble called the West Wing. And it's exponentially more so in the Trump White House. Listen to the new season of here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Amber Grimes
Usually on this podcast, We'll Kill youl, we talk about the diseases, infections, and biological threats that can make us really sick. But right now, we're doing something a little different. We're stepping back and looking at what the human body needs to keep going. When you consider, consider what we know about sleep in humans, there's one rule that comes out. We are predictably unpredictable sleepers. We're talking about why sleep works the way it does, why our bodies don't follow neat rules, and why modern life makes rest so hard to come by. The second half of our series takes us to the digestive system with a multi part series on what happens after we eat. Okay, I just have to say that all of my favorite words apparently are digestive words. Sphincter, peristalsis, duodenum. It's fascinating. It's funny. And it matters so much more than you think. Episodes of our new series run from January 20 through February 17, with new episodes every Tuesday on the Exactly Right Network. Listen to this podcast will kill you as part of the Exactly Right Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Way taller than him, way longer than him, and got better boxing skills.
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Joe
So how about one of his punches, though?
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Amber Grimes
Did you not hear what I said? It's hard for somebody smaller to hurt somebody that's bigger. I walk around at 185. He fights at 140. Or is it 47? It's one.
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Joe
He said 140.
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Debo
147.
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Amber Grimes
But I'm just saying, though, like, when you. And then, like, with his skill set.
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Debo
Yeah. Yo, what do you think?
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Joe
Oh, first. First, I want to hear from you. First I want to hear from you.
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Debo
Okay. I understand she walking around at 185. I understand that she is. He fights at 147.
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Joe
Okay.
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Debo
Who says he's not walking around 20 pounds heavier?
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Joe
That's what I'm saying.
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Debo
Just right. That's what I'm saying. Like, just. I just. I just don't see it happening. Even with the. The weight difference, you know, she says she's taller, but I believe the reach is almost the same, though. Like, they got the same breach, I think I want to say 68. 68 is. Is the reach. And just men in general, like, you generate more power. They saying it's anywhere from like, 30 to 40% more power based on a. A pound per pound being the same. As far as, you know, a man of this weight and a woman of this weight, it's a higher, you know, muscle mass. Like. Like, density. Like, the. The. Like, it's. It's just. It's different, dude. Like, it's just evolutionary, genetic, biological stuff that is there that you just can't get away from as a male and a female, dude. Like, thicker skulls, like, thicker jaw structure. Like, it's. It's like, it's totally different. I don't think. I don't think she's taking into account all that. She's just looking at her skill. And. And I understand you believe in your skill and all that, but, like, dude, a dude hitting you, that's. I don't know. I definitely don't give her a chance of winning. And if it is. It is very minute, I would say
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Joe
I do not want to see this fight at all. I think the one thing is, Clarissa Shields is one of the baddest women I have ever seen in my life. When I seen her fights, she has hands, she's fighting big and she's really throwing them. When I first looked, I thought she was like 200, you know what I'm saying? So I didn't know. She's like, I walk around 185 her fighting at 160 something 170. But like end of the day I just like men's strength of it's just different. And her being a professional boxer, that's sweet, but I'm just looking at it like roll. The end of the day, he's still walking around at 185, 170, you know what I'm saying? That's just, I don't like to see that competition when we're talking about physical men versus women was always taught you don't touch a girl, you don't do that. Just because I was always like raised, you're gonna you bigger and stronger, you know what I'm saying? So like you always are treat women with respect, all of that. So I'm just really, I just think he's men and women in physical combat is something that I'm like, I just don't think that it's a good way to go. She's the only person too. She's a woman, she's a professional. He's heavyweight boxer, but it's still like, it's just, still for me, I just don't see women and men doing those hand to hand combat joints like that. And he's a professional boxer also. She's not like, it's just a dude walking off the street that, you know what I'm saying? There's 170 pounds. She's going to probably put him to sleep for sure. Rollie is a professional boxer that's taken beatings, taken pounding from other professional boxers too. So I just don't, I don't know if anybody could do it, it would be her. I just do one. I don't know if I want to see.
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Debo
So you think she could do it?
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Joe
No, I, I, I don't think, I don't think she could do it. I don't think she could. And yeah, I think if anybody in the world could, she could. But I don't think that she could because he's another, he's a professional. I think he's, he's just a male professional too. So I don't know.
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Debo
Yeah, he didn't put, he didn't put what, 13, 14 people to sleeping brother? Yes.
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Joe
He's not no amateur. He's not doing this for fun either. Both of y'. All. Both of yalls hands are registered. Both of y' all not playing.
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Debo
I just. Yeah, just. It's just too much.
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Joe
Yeah, I would. Yeah.
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Debo
I'm not saying I'm not biologically, like, this is too different that I. That I think she could against him now. Yeah. Like you said, a cat off the street beat the brakes off his ass. You know what I'm saying? Like, easy, gracefully, easy work. But you're talking, you know, you're talking about a skill, a skilled fighter understands you. You know, her skills may be better. They actually. They actually may be better. But it ain't like he's not gonna hit you. Yeah, like, you gotta hit a lot in that fight that you just fought.
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Joe
She wants smoke, though. That fight that she just fought with, that. They were throwing hands.
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Debo
Yeah, bro, I think about standing there throwing hands like that with him, catching them with him.
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Joe
All those. Because she was taking them. She was taking them from old girl, too. Like, that's. I'm like, oh, my God, this joint looks crazy. I don't know.
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Debo
Like. Nah, I can't. Nah, man, that's.
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Joe
This.
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Debo
This.
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Joe
And you know how that gives. Next thing you know, look, she started bleeding in there. And the leaking, it's gonna be looking crazy. He's boxing her up, like.
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Debo
Yeah.
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Joe
Hitting. I'm like this. Oh, my God. Somebody like, you know, it just optics for me too. Stop hitting her. You know what I'm saying? Like, she's. Wow, she's taking them. She's eating them, Jones.
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Debo
I don't think she's gonna eat too. Have you ever seen this dude hit these people, man? Yeah, he ain't taking too many of those, man.
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Joe
Here we go. And.
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Debo
And your boy over there, Logan Paul. Yeah. He said he can't fight. He can't. He said he can't fight after WWE allegedly prevented him from. From doing it. What do you think, John? You think they actually prevent me from doing it?
- [25:45]
Joe
I don't know. I don't know. I don't think he wanted to fight Le'Veon because he said it in his first post when they. When somebody says something, you take him. What he said, he said, and you. You can fight, and you're not playing the league, and I don't want to fight with you. So I think.
- [25:59]
Debo
Thank. You, Joe. You got that. You got that whack bass, Internet, It's. It's freezing up out on you again. Yeah, that's. Yeah. Oh, got this big house, you got stuff everywhere. Your Internet, trash.
- [26:19]
Joe
See?
- [26:20]
Debo
Trash, Joe, trash. Look here, man. This is. This. This is what I think happened. I know. Like you said, he want that. He ain't want that with El Bell, man. He seen them hands. He seen my dude's hands, man. He was like, I want something untrained. I ain't never did this before.
- [26:40]
Joe
He can.
- [26:41]
Debo
He a fighter. He can fight. I can't have that. I can't do that. And then you know what he did? He went on here and he said, let me call WWE so they can get me out of this, because I'm scared that this man go put them dick beaters on me. You know what I'm saying? He said, I can't. I can't have that. He said, so, boss, I' ma call you. Y' all video it. So it's on record that I could put it out there that I can't fight because I'm too valuable to the wwe. Yes, because they know he go beat the brakes off of your ass. And that is why I believe he went and did that. Like, how many people actually have a call ready and set up, ready to go, just film you so you can get this reason excuse out in the air?
- [27:52]
Joe
He probably just made. Look, I'm gonna go devil's advocate, because I don't think he. I don't know if he was scared, but to prove why he couldn't be on it is maybe why he did the call. I'd like you. I like Le'Veon, but I'm just gonna say it could be. It could be legit because he is the wwe. He does have a contract. It could be like, look, they looked and probably said, oh, no, I don't want.
- [28:17]
Debo
They were scared. They said, I don't want you fighting him.
- [28:20]
Joe
Wwe. WWE could be scared.
- [28:23]
Debo
They was like, that's a man. No, he.
- [28:26]
Joe
He.
- [28:27]
Debo
He go whoop on you. He gonna whoop on you. We can't have you over there now.
- [28:31]
Joe
You can't wrestle. He look focused.
- [28:34]
Debo
He didn't hit you so hard. He don't. He done went and did your job like Joshua did your brother.
- [28:43]
Joe
That's crazy. His brother went in that. His brother ain't scared of nothing. I tell you that.
- [28:48]
Debo
I am not letting. I'm not letting my boxer hit me, bro. No, I'm not. Hey, I got. I got. I got a question for you.
- [28:58]
Joe
Yes.
- [29:00]
Debo
Mike Tyson in his prime. 100 million. You taking the uppercut from me, bro.
- [29:07]
Joe
That's the. The part is you just saying I'm walking in that joint like, chin out.
- [29:12]
Debo
Hey, uppercut, you here and just by. He's going all back,
- [29:23]
Joe
It's going. He's going to shatter my hole, break my jaw.
- [29:26]
Debo
Taking no punch. I ain't taking no not doing.
- [29:29]
Joe
That's what I'm saying, everybody, you're doing it. You're having to worry about your host. You're gonna be wired shut, wire shut. So you're gonna just take that not to Talk. I get 100 Mortal Kombat ever again.
- [29:38]
Debo
Think about Mortal Kombat. Hey, when he pull your head off like that, bro, that uppercut liable and you victim weight. That uppercut liable to pull your hole
- [29:48]
Joe
to pop that whole.
- [29:50]
Debo
You know what I'm saying? Neck ain't strong. You got.
- [29:52]
Joe
You ain't got no muscle, man. I. You don't heard. You heard the tackle talk about when I come around the corner, I be hitting Debo. I'm not just walking around. I don't know, just look like this, probably knock some loose. You talking about out here playing with me like, I don't like,
- [30:11]
Debo
really put
- [30:12]
Joe
my whole body into.
- [30:14]
Debo
That's what I'm saying. It's your chin. Your chin and neck taking all that, Joe. That ain't gonna be good for you, Joe.
- [30:22]
Joe
I'm not letting Mike Tyson uppercut me. Are you letting him uppercut you?
- [30:26]
Debo
Hell, no. My son said, hey, I'm just gonna eat it. I said, no, you're not. You gonna die trying.
- [30:31]
Joe
Your son gonna be eating.
- [30:34]
Debo
I said, you're gonna die trying to take an uppercut for Mike Tyson.
- [30:39]
Joe
They were eating through a straw like,
- [30:41]
Debo
oh, no, it's no way, dude. I'm not taking that. Joe.
- [30:46]
Joe
Straight soup. Do you want to have soup for the rest of your life, son?
- [30:50]
Debo
Done.
- [30:50]
Joe
Yogurt.
- [30:51]
Debo
Done. Done. So, man, Joe, what's up? You know what time it is, man?
- [30:57]
Joe
Yes, sir.
- [30:58]
Debo
It's time for play of fade presented by prize. All right. Joe. Yeah, Work, man. You don't cooked up this lineup right here, baby.
- [31:21]
Joe
Yes.
- [31:22]
Debo
So what we gonna do?
- [31:24]
Joe
I've decided I' ma choose to play
- [31:26]
Debo
or fade this thing right here.
- [31:28]
Joe
Okay.
- [31:28]
Debo
On you.
- [31:29]
Joe
Okay.
- [31:30]
Debo
All right. Now you go ahead. You run with it, baby.
- [31:33]
Joe
So that's why, first and foremost, cle, you know, I rock with the land. Always. Donovan Mitchell is always in his duffel. Always in his duffel. And they're going against Philly. Okay, So I like Donovan over 26. James Harden, New addition. Welcome back to the crib. And he's been hooping ever since he's Been with the Cavs. I like him over 20 and a half points. Those two. Cooking, cooking, cooking. Uh, I'm a fan of Uber, but I'm liking my. My people. We're going to strap him up a little bit. He's going to be under 17 and a half, 16. He might get 15 points. It's going to be a good, good day, but not, not good enough. I'm in my basketball bag, though, guys. I'm just letting y' all know this is going to hit. Then we got Shay Gildrich Alexander, 24 and a half. Shay wakes up with 25. She wakes up out of the bed with 25. That's nothing but done. And then Jalen Brunson against LA, against the clip. He is. He shoots at least 25 shots a game, so there's no chance that he's not going to hit 25. He is a bucket for them. He's their main go to scorer. He's going to drop 25. This one right here is an obvious, obvious, obvious play. If you want to make the 20 for the 260 because. Yeah, what you think, Debo?
- [32:55]
Debo
This is what I'm gonna do for you, Joe.
- [32:57]
Joe
What you gonna do?
- [32:58]
Debo
I'm gonna play the thing, which I ain't gonna go against my boy.
- [33:01]
Joe
I know you. Know you because you smart.
- [33:03]
Debo
Look here, bro. Make sure y' all download the app today and use the code Debo Joe to get 50,000 lineups after you play your first five dollar lineup. That code now, Debo Joe, they get 50 in lineup.
- [33:19]
Joe
Yes, sir.
- [33:19]
Debo
After your first five lineups. I had.
- [33:23]
Joe
I had to get in my basketball duffel bag. My bad.
- [33:25]
Debo
Oh, yes, sir. Yes, sir. Look, we're gonna start off with the super chats that we missed from yesterday's. Sorry, from Friday. Was it Friday? Yes, from the super chats that we missed from. Hold up. Hey, what's up? Hey. El Bell tomorrow. Hit me up. Yeah, he coming tomorrow. We're gonna see perfect. We're gonna see what really happened. We go, we're gonna talk to El Bell personally. We're gonna have him right here tomorrow. Top. Top of the show. Love it. Let's go. We're gonna get to the super chats that we missed from. Yes. The Covenant life is right here. Five dollars, she says. I hate to say this. I believe the Browns. We get the weapons needed and be contenders for 20, 26. Now let me go throw up. Why would. They ain't gonna get nothing that they need. They ain't even got an office in line.
- [34:20]
Joe
We already Started signing off his alignment. Don't even trip. Coveted. Life is hip. She's smart. She know great. Call Covenant. We letting this. No, look, look, just chill. No, it's gonna start happening. You're gonna see.
- [34:34]
Debo
You got covenant life again. $20, she said Debo and Joe, if there were a reunion game to play, not flat, would you suit up? And what team would you like to go up against? I would love to see Troy and you on the same field against the Rat. The Rat Birds. The Ravens. She called the Rattans Ravens. It's the Rat Birds. What a game. Joe, I'm gonna tell her the truth. I am not putting on a uniform or a suit unless I got a good 12 to 15 months of training. Head start. I need not even flag. All my people not flagged. She said a real game, not flag.
- [35:21]
Joe
Oh, hell no.
- [35:23]
Debo
Coveted.
- [35:23]
Joe
You're trying to. Trying to get people hurt out there.
- [35:27]
Debo
Listen, man, I'm gonna tear something up off the road.
- [35:29]
Joe
You know how many hamstrings and everything will be blown out there? Dudes just can't just come off the couch thinking it's sweet. Get up to full speed. When is the last time a regular person just get up to full speed? You know what I'm saying? You don't do that, you'll. You'll pull something.
- [35:45]
Debo
So I ain't gonna lie to you, brother. I can't even. I can't even remember the last time I competitively, full out, had to try and sprint to beat somebody like I do. I do that. You know, do the. Do the 75. The stride.
- [36:05]
Joe
Yeah.
- [36:05]
Debo
You know. Nah, I ain't got digging.
- [36:08]
Joe
I just raised my kids, and now they still not that. They still not old enough yet. So they still 7 and 9, so I could still get. I don't even got to really get up to get up to the speed yet.
- [36:18]
Debo
Right?
- [36:19]
Joe
So I'm still. I'm racing them from the bus, and then I'll know probably when. My boy, he's nine. I say when he get about 15, 16, then I get about 40, then that might be when we start getting a little closer.
- [36:30]
Debo
I'm gonna tell you right now, I ain't racing my kids no more. Even though.
- [36:37]
Joe
Yeah, they get you out the way right now, you'll blow a hamstring. Do you think you could beat himself? No, you can't. And if you think. If you're thinking that hard, you're gonna blow it, you're gonna blow a hand.
- [36:57]
Debo
Me, I'm willing. I'm willing. I'm willing. To go down. I'm willing to go down as long as you give me the time to train Joe. Give me the. I got. I got. I gotta get all my people back in line, Joe. I'm gonna have to spend about 250, $350,000.
- [37:11]
Joe
Oh, man. It's not worth it. It's not worth it. It's not worth it.
- [37:14]
Debo
I gotta win, Joe. I gotta win, Joe. I can't.
- [37:19]
Joe
You better come in that bionic legs and all. 350. 350 is crazy.
- [37:25]
Debo
Oh, man, I'm telling you, I'm gonna have to do something, man. Coming to life is $50. She said, Debo, please explain. Explain your matchups with Joe Thomas. My husband tried to offer me a necklace for your jersey. I told him I would purchase one. He's pouting like a baby. Even my teddy bear named Troy that has a 43 onesie is. Is tripping. Thank you. The matchups with Joe, Joe Thomas. Joe was a very. He was very technical. He had good feet, and he was able to withstand a bull rush. So that was the. The big thing with Joe is he had good feet and he was able to withstand a bull rush. So that's why it was, you know, it was difficult to. To get sacks on him when, you know, he was. When he was. When he was actually, you know, in his prime and doing the things that he did. I think I only, man, maybe. What time. What did he come in? 2006. 2007.
- [38:23]
Joe
Six. Six or seven.
- [38:25]
Debo
Yeah.
- [38:26]
Joe
Yeah.
- [38:27]
Debo
Six or seven. Six or seven. Yeah. So, yeah, that's. That's what made him difficult. But other than the past game, that was it, like, run game. I ain't really worried about nobody on no run blocking. Like, that's what I do. Like, ain't no running this way. Ain't no coming around here. All that other stuff, like, y' all take that over there. Y' all used to say, hey, man, y' all take that over there to Woodley, man. Y' all go ahead, run over there. Ain't nothing happening over here. I love it.
- [38:55]
Joe
I love, though, you gave my man Joe. T's that respect, the bull rush.
- [38:58]
Debo
Oh, no question, dude. Dude, I would literally. I would literally. I would bull rush this dude for like a whole half or three quarters, bro, and just bull rush, bull rush, bull rush. And hoping that he go set heavy. You know what I'm saying?
- [39:16]
Joe
Yeah.
- [39:16]
Debo
Like, so what I would do is I had. I had.
- [39:18]
Joe
I had. Trying to set him up, and I
- [39:21]
Debo
had a bull rush that looked. It looked Like, I was go, bull rush. But I wouldn't bull, and I would slap, grab your arm and hook around.
- [39:28]
Joe
Yeah.
- [39:29]
Debo
It was the same move on the same step. So if a guy, after that first bull rush, he would. The next time he would set heavy and hard, I'd be like, okay, I got him. Joe wouldn't set heavy and hard that often. So that's why it was hard, because
- [39:45]
Joe
he was able to win that bull rush.
- [39:47]
Debo
Right. He was able to whip right. Without having to set heavy and hard.
- [39:51]
Joe
Come on.
- [39:52]
Debo
So when you get a guy like that, like, I'm just like. I mean, you got. You have, I think, one time where he's talking about it in a thing and he's like. He's just, you know, he's just headbutting me. Head, button, head. Like, that's what I'm doing. I'm just getting you set so that you. At some point, you're going to get tired of me hitting you in your head. Yeah. Boom. And you're gonna be like, oh, let me stop. As soon as they do that, I'm.
- [40:15]
Joe
That's. That. You sound like that, Marshall. And they keep hitting him in the face over and over, over again. I'm like, you try. That's a will thing, bro. You keep hitting. No question. Keeping the man in his face repeatedly. He's gonna eventually start folding and start doing different things, and that's when you setting them up the whole time. But. Yep, that's wild.
- [40:35]
Debo
Oh, yeah, for sure, man. Like, that's just. That's just. That's just what it is, brother. We got another one. We got American Assassin 001. $10. He said, what do you guys think about going out and signing Tyler Boyd? He is a Pittsburgh native and played college for the Pitt Panthers. What do you think of that?
- [41:00]
Joe
What. What year is it for Tyler? Oh, man, he's been in the league. Let me check. How long you been T31? I'm not. I'm not mad at it. I like.
- [41:12]
Debo
I'm trying to get. I like him, but I just. I'm trying to get us younger. Like, we're.
- [41:18]
Joe
I'm with you.
- [41:19]
Debo
Yeah, we're. We're at that point where I think
- [41:22]
Joe
we need to get younger, but not for. Not for us.
- [41:27]
Debo
Yeah, for sure. Covenant life back. $10, she said. I just broke out in highs here. And Joe, talk about the Browns. Just when I think it's all, well, shake my head. Devo is hell. Debo as hell. Today. I'm weak. The Internet don't even want to Hear about the pound puppies. Puppy pound. Sorry. Puppy pound.
- [41:57]
Joe
I' ma let cover. They covered. I'm let you slide. They do. It's all good. My Internet. My Internet went out. It zapped out for a second.
- [42:05]
Debo
I mean, it's just like it's short. Like the team used to pay for it. They just zap out. Like, things seem to be going like, well, and all of a sudden they just zap out.
- [42:14]
Joe
Coveted life. No, she said earlier exactly what she felt. Oh, it makes me sick to my stomach. The browns are going to be so good this year and now she won't come back and say that. So you already. I'm believing the first one coveted. And you just. You just now.
- [42:26]
Debo
Well, I'm gonna come back with another company that came back with another one with $10. She said Joe's necklace is blocking his connection. Devo, where your dogs? We need to. She said we need. We need. Look and see. Joe, Peter really had a problem with you. Are you a dog person? Be careful with that with your response. Who is Joe, Peter? Oh, you, Joe? Yeah, I'm a dog person.
- [43:00]
Joe
You a dog person?
- [43:02]
Debo
Oh, yeah. I'm.
- [43:04]
Joe
I had dogs when I was a kid.
- [43:06]
Debo
You're not a dog.
- [43:07]
Joe
I'm not a dog.
- [43:08]
Debo
I'm not.
- [43:08]
Joe
I'm not the craziest dog. I'm not. I'm. I don't not like dogs. If people have dogs, I'm all for it. You scared of dogs, though, right now I'm not. Yes, I got chased by dogs. I got bit by a dog, so I definitely have.
- [43:20]
Debo
No, I got chased by dogs. I got bit by a dog. That don't make me dislike all dogs.
- [43:26]
Joe
Why do you keep saying that I dislike like dogs? I don't say that I dislike them.
- [43:30]
Debo
Well, you like. You like, you know, mutts.
- [43:32]
Joe
No, I'm just saying, like, just because you don't wanna.
- [43:35]
Debo
I don't like those dogs. D a W G. I love dogs so much.
- [43:41]
Joe
I love dogs so much that I don't have enough time to give it the care that the dog deserves. I got these children that I'm trying to handle. I'm raising the kids, can take care of them. The kids ain't doing nothing. When I got the dogs, I was walking the dogs, I was feeding the dogs and they want to talk about. They wanted.
- [43:59]
Debo
You got rid of the dogs.
- [44:02]
Joe
I see. There you go again. I put. I got the dogs and I gave them to my brother to a better Joe.
- [44:08]
Debo
Answer the question, Lord. Did you get rid of the dogs?
- [44:12]
Joe
Yes, I did get rid of the dogs, but to a good family. Not just anywhere. A good family.
- [44:20]
Debo
Oh, just because you didn't throw them out in the middle of the highway in a trash bag, you. You feel like you're justified? You feeling justified? Huh? I gave them to a good family. I just wasn't responsible enough and man enough to take care of little puppies that needed me.
- [44:41]
Joe
All right. All I can tell you is this. I just. I. You can't. People just mad at me because I. Because if I. Because I'm. If you have a dog, guess what?
- [44:49]
Debo
I love you.
- [44:50]
Joe
And I love you. Hopefully I love your dog. Hopefully it's trained. Don't come over here and try to bite me. You got cool dog. What's up, dog? You good? Boom. All right. I come pet your dog. Woo. If you don't want me to pet your dog, won't pet your dog. Is the dog petable dog? I do it, but be mad at me because I ain't. I'm not just walking around feeding and taking care. Like, I'm just. I love a dog so much that I know he needs that tender, loving career. And I just got. I'm moving and shaking.
- [45:16]
Debo
I'm running around. That's crazy.
- [45:17]
Joe
I'm trying to do Deebo and Joe dog right here, right now.
- [45:19]
Debo
He. Yeah, you training? Dogs need training like children.
- [45:26]
Joe
I already got two kids.
- [45:28]
Debo
Oh. Oh.
- [45:30]
Joe
And I'm training and I'm loving my.
- [45:31]
Debo
You love the dog so much, you couldn't have them. But not the kids.
- [45:35]
Joe
I gotta have my kids. Yes, yes. My children. My children. Am I messed up to say I love the dogs? I thought you loved the dog, but
- [45:44]
Debo
you just couldn't do it.
- [45:45]
Joe
The world's so crazy that you can't love your children more than dogs.
- [45:50]
Debo
I'm just saying, you said you love the dog so much, you couldn't. You know, you just. I. I know it like Joe.
- [45:56]
Joe
They didn't come from. They didn't come from my wife. They did not come from my wife. That is not my seed.
- [46:00]
Debo
Oh. So I got. I got. I got. I gotta go. I gotta. I gotta go tell Sarah that you. She wanted. She needs a dog. Oh. I go, I. Yeah, I'm a send the dog over there.
- [46:09]
Joe
Did this really just happen? Did the chiefs just get Kenneth Gainwell? Because if they did. If they did, that's. That's. That's how you make moves.
- [46:18]
Debo
What they giving. They got Kenneth Walker, brother.
- [46:22]
Joe
That's what I'm saying. Kenneth Walker, the running back.
- [46:25]
Debo
I thought you said game World, It's Kenneth Walker.
- [46:27]
Joe
My bad. My bad. Chiefs guy. Kenneth Walker. That's fire. That's what team. You know what Chief's doing what they. Yeah.
- [46:39]
Debo
All right, now he's gonna come back. Travis gonna come back. He gonna come back.
- [46:42]
Joe
Yes, Travis gonna come back because he like this. Oh, my team wants to win. They're going to get people like game with. I mean, like a Walker.
- [46:51]
Debo
Walker. Yeah. You keep saying game.
- [46:52]
Joe
Well, I love game. Well, his game.
- [46:54]
Debo
You try to. Yeah, you trying to. You trying to. You trying to throw him away and give him away.
- [46:58]
Joe
I'm not throwing him away. I'm trying to put him on a great team. I was trying to put him in a great situation.
- [47:03]
Debo
Listen, what I'm trying to do is get him back. Hope don't nobody get in the bag. And we could get him back his selfish desires around here. Joe,
- [47:16]
Joe
you funny. You funny. You don't even. You just. Yeah, I gotta remember that. I try to stay as. I try to stay objective and give it.
- [47:25]
Debo
I'm just telling you, I. I can see it from both sides. You know what I'm saying? I wanted to go get that bag. The brother want me, won't even want him to go get that bag. Distiller fan want me to go ahead and make sure he stay here and see, that's the problem with a fan and a brother. A fan only want what's good for the team. They don't care about the actual brother.
- [47:51]
Joe
No. Because he's a piece of their team. They.
- [47:53]
Debo
He.
- [47:54]
Joe
There's puzzle pieces. All puzzle pieces. All can be replaced. A little dollar signs like, hold on, salary cap. Get him out of here.
- [48:02]
Debo
He's in the cat.
- [48:04]
Joe
What's that boy number? Get him out of here. How much we save? 13. Get him out of here. Get him up out of here. Come on. Some space in the cap. That's the man. That mug you had dinner with the other day. Bump that. Love that cap space.
- [48:24]
Debo
Yes. Oh, look here, brother man. We want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe.
- [48:32]
Joe
Yes.
- [48:33]
Debo
Please make sure you, like, subscribe and download the show. We'll be right back here tomorrow, top of the show with Leon Bear. We're gonna find out what the really real was. You know what I'm saying?
- [48:45]
Joe
I'm saying, yo, we'll be here tomorrow. Catch the same time, same place with El Bell. Let's get it. We out.
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