Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Mike Evans LEAVES Tampa, Tua to the Falcons, Chiefs sign Kenneth Walker III

Summary

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Nightcap Podcast Summary

Episode: Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Mike Evans LEAVES Tampa, Tua to the Falcons, Chiefs sign Kenneth Walker III

Date: March 10, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (“Ocho”)
Guests: Debo & Joe (main discussion, no Ochocinco or Sharpe present in this segment)

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Overview

This Nightcap episode dives into major NFL offseason moves, mixing sharp player insights and banter. Debo and Joe break down Tua Tagovailoa’s headline-making departure from Miami (and the $99M dead cap hit), Mike Evans’ move from the Buccaneers to the 49ers, and the Chiefs’ big signing of running back Kenneth Walker III. The conversation also touches on deeper subjects, like player legacies versus money, the economics of football, and what makes franchises take enormous risks and losses.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Tua Tagovailoa Released by the Dolphins, Bound for Atlanta (02:52-17:39)

• Tua’s Release & Contract Fallout

  • Miami released Tua post-June 1 designation, sustaining a league-record $99M in dead money over two years.

    “How bad do it got to be for them to say, you know what man, we just go take this here to this. 99 let you go over.” – Debo (03:14)

  • Tua is expected to sign with Atlanta for a low salary (about $1.2-$1.4M), while Miami pays out the dead cap.

• Franchise/Owner Perspective

  • Joe contends if he were the owner, he’d keep Tua on the roster and make him “do something” to justify the $100M payout.

    “It's not your hundred million dollars I'm paying, it's my hundred million dollars.” – Joe (05:52) “Hey, he gonna have to do something. I don't care if you, his ass is cleaning the facility.” – Debo (05:56)

• Concussion Issues & Neck Strength

  • Concerns about Tua’s long-term health, particularly repeated concussions, with Debo advising quarterbacks to build neck strength:

    “Neck circumference has a lot to do with concussions…y' all need to work on that neck strength, man.” – Debo (07:01)

• Value & Legacy Debate

  • Debo and Joe riff on what’s more important: championship rings or huge paydays?

    “One ship, $50 million or no ships and 160 and they calling me a bum?” – Joe (10:24)
    “I'm taking that bread.” – Joe (10:26)

• Miami’s Spending Power

  • Miami signs Malik Willis after Tua’s departure, throwing another $67M at the QB position.

    “How the hell you don't have no money? You can give away a hundred million dollars to. Not on your team and then bring in another quarterback and give him 67 million. That's 167 million.” – Joe (15:53)

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2. Mike Evans Leaves Tampa Bay for San Francisco (25:06-30:35)

• A Surprising Move

  • Mike Evans signs a 3-year, up to $64 million deal with the 49ers. His agent says “it’s not about money”—Tampa gave a strong offer.

    “In the end, the decision came down to Mike wanting a new challenge and a fresh opportunity while he still feels like he has a great deal left to give the game.” – Debo reading agent’s quote (25:40)

• Motivation Speculation

  • The hosts debate Evans’ motives: Was it really about a new challenge? A shot at Tampa’s future? A desire for another Super Bowl?

    “He got the right for change of scenery when you become free.” – Joe (26:10) “It got to be something way more than just a change of scenery… I don't see it being able to be done here and I want to get back to chip.” – Debo (27:25) “Do you think that’s a shot at Baker [Mayfield] or the organization?” – Joe (28:58)

• State Taxes and Career Calculus

  • They discuss the financial hit (CA taxes vs. FL no tax) and suggest Evans must really believe in the 49ers’ chances.

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3. Chiefs Sign Kenneth Walker III, Bolstering Their Backfield (30:42-34:44)

• Chiefs’ Need for a Reliable Back

  • Kenneth Walker, after splitting time in Seattle, joins the Chiefs for up to $45M over three years—a major investment.

    “Because that's what winning teams and championship teams go to do. They don't, they need, they think they need a piece.” – Joe (31:06)

• Pat Mahomes’ Longevity & Strategy

  • Adding Walker keeps Mahomes from being “Superman every single time,” reducing injury risk and diversifying the offense.

    “Don't make Pat be Superman every single time, because he can do it. But then you start getting hurt, start looking crazy, start running around.” – Joe (32:05)

• Walker’s Fit and Projected Impact

  • Debo and Joe predict regression for Pacheco and praise Walker’s ability as a dual-threat back.

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4. Other Major NFL Offseason Moves: Raiders & Ravens (34:44-39:47)

• Raiders Ink Center Lindenbaum (Historic Contract)

  • Las Vegas signs an elite center, $81M/3yr, filling a major need and hinting at QB plans (No.1 pick, possible Tom Brady input).

    “You don't make Tom Brady a minority owner if you ain't using every bit of his intelligence and intel that you can. His hand is in everything.” – Debo (39:32)

• Ravens’ Roster Fallout

  • Baltimore loses key players (center Lindenbaum, TE Likely, punter), sparking heated reactions from the fan chat and hosts.

    “I'm happy for the Raiders and I'm happy for the Ravens. I'm happy for the Ravens because they lost somebody that they... shouldn't have let go.” – Debo (34:45)

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5. Player Legacy vs. Money: Pride, Respect, and Going "Off the Map" (41:36-43:40)

• Mentality on Big Payouts and Criticism

  • Joe and Debo debate the psychology of taking a huge buyout and the line between pride, money, and public perception.

    “Let me tell you this. After that 160...I don't have to be on the Internet. I don't have to be…I'm just cool with me and my people.” – Joe (41:46)

• Responsibility & Image

  • Debo: “You get paid to do something. You should do what it is that you get paid to do…What if they take your ball and tell you to go home for a hundred? Then what do you do?”
  • Joe: “It's not your choice. It's their ball. They taking your ball and sending you off.”

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6. Audience Q&A, Live Banter, and Notable “Superchat” Moments (44:29-55:08)

• Live Betting Segment (44:29-46:15)

  • Joe shares his NBA picks; Debo debates their likelihood.
  • Key pick: Amen Thompson over 19.5 points; Victor Wembanyama over 23.5.

• Fan Chat Interactions (46:40-55:08)

  • Shoutouts to regulars (“Covenant Life,” etc.), lively back-and-forth banter about chat nicknames, and side jokes about player personas and media narratives.
  • Debo: “I want everything to crash and burn over there [Baltimore].” (50:04)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Big Payouts for Doing Nothing:
  > “Somebody give you a hundred million dollars to go home. That's crazy.” – Joe (03:37)

• On Taking Responsibility and Image as a Player:
  > “It's not pride. It's responsibility…You should do what it is that you get paid to do.” – Debo (42:41)

• On Miami’s Financial Power:
  > “Anybody talking that craziness. Oh, no, we don't have no bread—Look at Miami.” – Joe (16:17)

• On Player Value Decisions:
  > “That super bowl ain't keeping their lights on.” – Joe (11:04)

• On Tua’s Resilience:
  > “He ain't ducking off in the cut and hiding. He ain't ashamed of this. He going to sign with Atlanta.” – Debo (43:46)

• On Evans Leaving Tampa:
  > “If you get all $60.4M, they're taking $30.2 right now [in taxes].” – Debo (28:23)

• On Championship Rings vs. Money:
  > “It's not the ring itself…it’s the winning of the game…they can’t take the championship, it’s in books, in the history.” – Debo (14:40)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Tua Tagovailoa's Departure & $99M Dead Cap: 02:52-17:39
• Mike Evans Leaves Tampa: 25:06-30:35
• Chiefs Sign Kenneth Walker III: 30:42-34:44
• Raiders & Ravens Offseason, Legacy Chat: 34:44-39:47
• Legacy vs. Money, Going Off the Map: 41:36-43:40
• Live Betting Segment & Chat Banter: 44:29-55:08

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Podcast Tone & Style

• Raw, humorous, and occasionally irreverent.
• Hosts riff naturally, blending hard football analysis with comedic and personal takes.
• Frequent sidebars and banter with live chat, showing the interactive and community-driven vibe.

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Conclusion

Debo and Joe deliver on Nightcap's promise for unfiltered, instantly reactive sports talk. This episode is packed with insights and candid opinions on the NFL’s business side, player health, team ambition, and the psychology behind legacy and money. The conversational flow and rich banter make it ideal for fans who want not just the news, but authentic player perspectives behind the headlines.

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Transcript

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[Debo]

you know who ain't cooking with Tallow? Two. Two up to what? Hey, I ain't gonna lie. He cooking. He's still cooking.

[Joe]

He's definitely cooking.

[Debo]

Hey, he's still cooking. They said they scheduled to release them to a Tonga by Allure post June 1st designation. So by them cutting him, they are going to take a record. Dude. $99 million in dead money split over two years. Like, dude, he plans to sign with Atlanta. I guess once, once he's. Once he was released. Like, dude, how bad do it got to be for them to say, you know what man, we just go take this here to this. 99 let you go over.

[Joe]

That's what I'm trying to figure out. Somebody give you a hundred million dollars to go home. That's crazy. Take your ball and your 100 million and go home. Roger, like how bad can it be? So that's why when we look at these contracts of like oh yeah, Tua. Back in the day, like oh yeah, they signed up for 250. He's like, yeah, come on, give me the money. Now two years later, they're letting him go and giving him 100 to go with his ball. Like for me as an owner, I don't care. I can't bite. 100 million for you to go take the ball. Like, I don't know, I might. You, you gotta be. It has to be something so bad.

[Debo]

You kinda, you kinda gotta bite that. Cause you just hired a new head coach.

[Joe]

Okay, no, no, for sure you gotta bite that one.

[Debo]

You gotta bite that one. Because he's saying you ain't about to stick personal feelings and then tell me you gonna fire me in two years when we don't do shit.

[Joe]

I'm just looking at it as a owner wise.

[Debo]

So you would've just kept him and just made him just stay there and come to work.

[Joe]

You asked me if I owned the team. I can't give somebody a hundred million dollars down the street. That, that just doesn't make sense.

[Debo]

That's a roster spot though, that you need.

[Joe]

Joe, he's still gonna Be on the team. I don't care if he's getting 100, he's on my team. I don't care. He's gonna do something. He's gonna be doing something. Cause I'm not giving you a hundred not to do nothing. I can't. You could even, even if they don't have him on the team, he's on another team. You paying this? No, no, this, this for my mental state.

[Debo]

Joe, you can't take up the roster spot. Joe, you got to let it go.

[Joe]

No, Joe is as backup quarterback for 400.

[Debo]

You gonna make your practice squad. Yes. And keep him there for the 99 because what a year I think I didn't get nothing. He didn't do no practice squad. They could have did that.

[Joe]

You get nothing for him and you pay him 100 million out of two years.

[Debo]

Joe, that's gonna look so petty though.

[Joe]

I mean now we worry, now we worried about. Now we worried about being able to

[Debo]

put myself in the owner without being petty and I can't. I'm with you.

[Joe]

It's not your hundred million dollars I'm paying, it's my hundred million dollars.

[Debo]

Hey, he gonna have to do something. I don't care if you, his ass

[Joe]

is cleaning the, the facility.

[Debo]

Something. You doing something?

[Joe]

You doing something. Hey honey, it's clearing every two, every other Tuesday. That Jones on his seat for the bag and then he went to the Falcons. What they gonna pay like one. What he's going to the Falcons, they're

[Amber Grimes]

gonna pay one point.

[Debo]

I think they say like 1 3, 1 2, something like that.

[Joe]

That's what I'm saying.

[Debo]

That's your boy Stefanski over there pulling. I don't know what your boy over there thinking, man. I don't think he thinking that's gonna, that's gonna be the fill in until Penix get back from that.

[Joe]

The thing is he realized at the end of the day he was not knocking him. Tua love Tua, but the concussions, him being a little smaller, him not being able to be as like when I see Tua run now I get a little spooked cause I think get down or you're about to get your head, you're about to get your bell rung. Cause he's a little loose necked when he starts running out there. He's been put to sleep a lot

[Debo]

and

[Joe]

you gotta work, he gotta work on it.

[Debo]

Listen, now that you said that this is something a lot of people don't understand. It's like next neck circumference has a lot to do with concussions. You know, bigger and thicker. Your neck is the least likely you are to get concussions. So y' all need to work on that neck strength, man.

[Joe]

Because, you know when somebody falls Debo, and they just fall.

[Debo]

Boom.

[Joe]

And you got a strong neck, you're not letting your head snap back, right? If you go like this, mom, you let your neck just go crazy. You're putting yourself to sleep. So my. My thing is, I'm looking at Tua, and I'm like, all right, they know he's a. He's a. He was a franchise quarterback. They wouldn't have gave him the 250 million if they didn't think he was being a franchise quarterback. So I'm looking at this. The Falcons, 24.

[Debo]

They guaranteeing, what, 160.

[Joe]

That's what I'm saying. When you get a man that's got. Making that guaranteed in 160, and you could get him on your team for 1.41, we're talking about deals and steals. I'm not mad at Kevin Stefanski for that at all. Because you got another team paying $45 million, and you have them on your team for 1.4. So you have a franchise quarterback for the low, low, low that they were trying to get a. Get. Get rid of. People have worse backup quarterbacks on the team. So if I'm so fancy, I'm not mad. I'm not mad at it. I'm. I would. I did the same thing. Like, how. But my thing is, with Tua, how much longer? I. I just don't really. But two for the 1.4 is better than Tour at the 100 and take your ball and leave. So, like, if he's still in the league, he's still a professional. I'm taking him at Atlanta for 1.4.

[Debo]

Okay. Okay, hold up, Joe. I got a scenario for. You know, I like to get scenarios. I'm a scenario type of guy. So you are a journeyman type of player. You make good money, but you don't make great money. Okay, say you make, you know, about 50 over your career.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

You get you a couple. You get you full Super Bowls. Full Super Bowls in that process, man. Oh, yeah. I'm just. I'm just saying this is you. I'm just saying this is the process I'm putting you in. It's a scenario. Putting you in that place. Okay, okay. Or you end up, like, tour, getting cut, not being. Not having nothing. But you got. You got 160 million. Which one you taking.

[Joe]

I honestly. I would take the. I would take.

[Debo]

Probably.

[Joe]

I would do the 50 if I had four Super Bowls, Debo like, I mean, yeah, I might take four. I'll take the post for sure.

[Debo]

What if it's one Super Bowl?

[Joe]

One Super Bowl. So they basically asked me, is one Super bowl worth $90 million? That's what you're asking me?

[Debo]

I'm telling you one super bowl or extra 110 million. But you. You considered a bum now.

[Joe]

Considered a bum?

[Debo]

Yeah. How you don't just let nobody go with a hundred million dollars if you ain't considering them a bum.

[Joe]

You're correct with that. You're correct.

[Debo]

Can you probably take it, Joe? Tell me.

[Joe]

No, I'm one. One ship. 50 million or no ships and 160 and they calling me a bum.

[Debo]

Calling you a bum.

[Joe]

I'm taking that bread.

[Debo]

They're calling you a bum and you're a snitch and you telling on people. See?

[Joe]

Let's see. So you always telling people ain't showing

[Debo]

up at the meeting. I'm just adding.

[Joe]

Act the chat.

[Debo]

What you think?

[Joe]

Chat. No, man, I'm gonna go ahead and take that. I'm gonna take that. I'm gonna go ahead and take that. 160. So I ain't never. I ain't never been.

[Debo]

Yo, money the root of all evil, man. Oh, weed, man, that must. I don't know what that is, Joe.

[Joe]

Hey, how about them dude, what looks you gonna tell them don't talk to me. How about them dudes are selling a Super Bowl.

[Debo]

Rich. Listen, they might.

[Joe]

Look, that super bowl ain't keeping their lights on. So they get.

[Debo]

Listen, bro.

[Joe]

Jacked up and they had to let that thing go.

[Debo]

Listen, I would sell mine for the

[Joe]

right price and you talking about me, Joe, listen.

[Debo]

I still won the Super Bowl, Joe. I won the super bowl. Just cause I sell somebody the ring that want to overpay just to have the sentimental value of putting it on their finger. If they're willing to pay what it is, I'm willing to give it up for. Hell yeah. You can't take away my Super Bowl.

[Joe]

You can't take away your Super Bowl. I understand that. You're correct.

[Debo]

What is you talking about? Just like you can't get a Super bowl or get no respect or you can't lose the tag of being a bum or a snitch or all that other stuff.

[Joe]

It's not me you talking about.

[Debo]

I'm just saying. I'm just saying I could get. Listen, listen.

[Joe]

I don't need to wear it on

[Debo]

my finger to see I don't got a.

[Joe]

But they're not walking around calling me a bum, that's for sure.

[Debo]

That's what I'm saying, Joe. You go take that. You go take the 160 instead of the hardware.

[Joe]

Why you had to call the man a snitch, though? You just threw it every.

[Debo]

I was just, you know, I was just, you know, saying. He said that people wouldn't come to meetings, and he was dropping names on it. But, you know, I'm just saying. Hey, Joe.

[Joe]

Yo.

[Debo]

You want one of these for the right price? I sell you one, see?

[Joe]

Nope, I don't. I don't. Because I don't deserve. It's not mine.

[Debo]

Hey, hey, I seen you. I send you this one because it goes with the jersey that I got for you, huh?

[Joe]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, send it with the jersey. I can't stand you sometimes. So cool. You so fun.

[Debo]

Hold on, let me make sure you can see it, Joe.

[Joe]

There you go, Joe.

[Debo]

There you go. It's a pinky ring. Hey, Joe, here, let me show you this one. Let's go. This one right here. Listen, Joe. This one right here, this one got six of them things in there, Joe. I got six of them things in there. This one only got five, but anyway,

[Joe]

I like that one more.

[Debo]

You like that one more?

[Joe]

Yeah, you can.

[Debo]

Listen, that one right there, that one just to. To sell that one. Boy, I. Listen, you thought giraffe was high Dang nothing. Hide charge I'm gonna get for that.

[Joe]

You're gonna need that. You're gonna need some of that dead money.

[Debo]

Hey, I need. Hey, I'm need some of that. Huh? Okay, listen, listen. My kids got one. One of my sons got one. One of my sons got the other one. And then one of them got a watch and some other stuff, whatever, you know, AFC Championship stuff, you know. You know how it goes, you know?

[Joe]

You know.

[Debo]

Yeah. You know, when you win in the playoffs, you get things. Oh, you don't. Oh, never mind.

[Joe]

All I know is when I got. Yeah, I got a hat and T shirt, though.

[Debo]

Oh, you got a T shirt. All right. That's good. And you got a hat, too, right?

[Joe]

And a hat.

[Debo]

That's good. Yep. That's good. You get some hardware?

[Joe]

Nah, I got a hat. I told you what I got.

[Debo]

Championship. Don't you. Hey.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. National championship for sure. SEC Championship, all that I got. Yeah.

[Debo]

Would you sell? Would you sell. Would you sell your national Championship ring for the right price?

[Joe]

No.

[Debo]

Okay. What if you was down bad.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

Okay. That's what I'm saying, Joe. What are you talking about? Sometimes, like, you can't knock somebody for selling the ring because sometimes. A lot. A lot of times, cats, you know, it's a situation that may have popped up where they need to, you know, they ain't, you know. You know how it goes. No, no, no.

[Joe]

For sure. For sure. Does that really. I'm not knocking, but I'm just saying, you talk super bowl is so important. I'm like. It's just not. Because it's the. It's the. It's the winning of the game. It's not the material of the ring. Okay.

[Debo]

It's the winning of the game. Right. It's not the ring itself.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

I ain't gonna say it don't mean nothing to me, but it does mean something. But anything that is a. A item.

[Joe]

Yeah. That's material. Material. They can't take. They can't take the championship. It's in books.

[Debo]

Yes.

[Joe]

In the history.

[Debo]

Take that one. Okay? You can't take that respect. And then you know what they did? As soon as they did that, they said, hey, we're gonna go and drop another 67.5 million, and we go get Malik Willis as our quarterback for the Dolphins. Joe, how much money?

[Joe]

Boy, they got that bag in Miami, don't they? That's what I try to tell people all the time. Everybody.

[Debo]

And they got the best facilities, bruh.

[Joe]

Bruh. And they. Facilities, fire. And they got us. And they got a club in a stadium.

[Debo]

No taxes, bro.

[Joe]

Fire.

[Debo]

And they got the club. I forgot about the club. They got a pool. You walking to live.

[Joe]

You in. You in live watching the game. It's crazy.

[Debo]

Easy.

[Joe]

Miami got it popping. But this one I tell you, though, Debo, this one I try to tell you. Don't let these people fool you and say, oh, we don't have no money.

[Debo]

Oh, we don't have no money.

[Joe]

How the hell you don't have no money? You can give away a hundred million dollars to. Not on your team and then bring in another quarterback and give him 67 million. That's 167 million. 100 for somebody not on your squad. Like, I don't want to hear that manipulation roster things, all of that stuff, all of that making money guaranteed is possible. So anybody talking that craziness.

[Debo]

Oh, no, we don't have no bread.

[Joe]

Look at Miami. Look what they just did. How did they go sign the quarterback

[Debo]

and still have a trade Minka away? They had to find somebody

[Joe]

Traded Minka away.

[Debo]

Go with 50 a year, bruh. It just dead gone.

[Joe]

That's what I'm trying to tell you. And you like this?

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You can't have him keep. You can't have him stay there. I'm like, no, no. I mean, they took it on the chin like some real ones. We picked the dude, gave him the bread. That is not the guy. And they just didn't stand in their own mess.

[Debo]

Joe, I'm gonna find. He got. I'm gonna find something for him to do.

[Joe]

That's what. I already told you what I was doing. You were looking at me crazy. He's not leaving the facility. He's. He's. You're going to. You're going to work for the. For the Dolphins for the next two years. You gotta work off that hundred, man.

[Debo]

You got to do something. I don't care if you just got

[Joe]

to show up because you're not. Because you're not being there. And me still having to write that check every week is crazy work. But they did it though. They. They. They took it on the chin. Like, look, we made a wrong decision. We not just going to keep trying to make it better.

[Debo]

Well, they only did that after they got rid of the coach that made the wrong decision. So, yeah, they went ahead and got rid of everything. Smart move. But I just. Joe99 I'm cool with the move to get to good, you know?

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[Joe]

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[Joe]

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[Amber Grimes]

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[Joe]

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[Amber Grimes]

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[Joe]

Everybody's on their journey, and your journey's different to theirs.

[Amber Grimes]

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[Joe]

came from, I'm from the Bronx.

[Amber Grimes]

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[Joe]

All right, son, time to put out this campfire.

[Debo]

Dad, we learned about this in school.

[Joe]

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[Debo]

Hi, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast, here's the thing. I'm speaking with more artists, policymakers, and performers like composer Marc Shaiman.

[Joe]

Once you've established that you have the

[Debo]

talent, it's about the hang.

[Joe]

It's the pleasure of hanging out with

[Debo]

the people that you're with. You know, Rob and I was always a great hang.

[Joe]

We would sit in kibbutz for hours and then eventually get around to the music. That's what I mostly think of when I think of him.

[Debo]

The time together.

[Joe]

Laughing Lawyer Robbie Kaplan.

[Amber Grimes]

The great gift of being a lawyer is the ability to actually change things in our society in a way that very few people can. You can really make a difference to

[Debo]

causes in the United States if you

[Amber Grimes]

bring the right case at the right time.

[Debo]

Marriage equality.

[Amber Grimes]

Yeah, Windsor's the perfect example.

[Joe]

And journalist Chris Whipple.

[Debo]

Every White House staffer, they work in a bubble called the West Wing. And it's exponentially more so in the Trump White House. Listen to the new season of here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm good with that. Great with the price. That was way cheaper than what? You know, we were thinking, like, he might get 30 a year. You know what I'm saying? What is that, 24, 25, something like that. 22. Okay. Yeah. So 23.

[Joe]

22. 23. So, yeah, I, I like the fact that for the team, for the Dolphins, yes, this is a great, great pickup. 20 under the $30 million mark, and it was supposed to be between 20 and 30. You got them like 23 solid. And everybody else, like, from what we were looking at, I think Malik is going to be a good quarterback. It's going to be a good chance what he did with Green Bay. So I'm rocking with Miami because they're showing that they still, after they gave out the hunted, they still are ready to get. They still are in the mix. They still like, all right, quarterback is the most important position. So if we don't have that, we don't have a chance. And the new coaches like this, yo, can't just. All right, we got rid of. That was all y' all mistakes. I'll take him. Malik. I like him. This is gonna be my guy.

[Debo]

Yeah, I think it was.

[Joe]

I think that's good.

[Debo]

Halfley and Sullivan, they were. They were with him in Green Bay, so, you know, they actually worked with him. He did a lot of the scout stuff, I guess. So they were there. They. They seen it. They. They got comfortable with him, you know, and like they said. He said, they have. They have good relationship. So, I mean, that was. That was an automatic. And they stayed low pro with it, though, too. They wasn't even up. Up there loud with it. They ain't Even say nothing about possibly just letting tour. Just get out of there with a honey.

[Joe]

They know it's. It's loud. It's loud, everybody. Right, bro, remember, no signing for 100 used to be the thing. Damn, that man hit him for a

[Debo]

hundred, he hit him for 160.

[Joe]

And I'm just saying.

[Debo]

I'm just doing nothing.

[Joe]

Back in the day, back in the day. It just was.

[Debo]

That's strong. Armed robbery, bro.

[Joe]

Bare face, no mask.

[Debo]

No mask.

[Joe]

No mask.

[Debo]

Hello, Raw Daylight. Give me that honey. I mean, I'll see y' all later. And then put his back on and left as he jumped in this Lambo.

[Joe]

Give me my money and I need it now.

[Debo]

Or his wraith and his ghosts. That's two different colors.

[Joe]

Oh, see, you know, you gotta. You at least you have a death. Two different roses, you know, I can't tell the difference.

[Debo]

It's hella money to me, Joe.

[Joe]

One's a two door, one's a four door.

[Debo]

Oh, you gotta have one that's two doors and one that's four. What the hell is the difference, Joe?

[Joe]

You know what I'm saying?

[Debo]

Oh, one's a race, one's a ghost, one's a spirit, one's a host.

[Joe]

Oh, they used to, you know,

[Debo]

and

[Joe]

the big boy, the Cullinan, you know, you know, you know all about. You act like you don't know, but

[Debo]

you know, bro, I don't know nothing about. I'm listening to the chat, the chat, telling me everything I need to know. That's all. I look at the chat, the chat go, tell me what's going on.

[Joe]

That hip, the chap know what the culinary rose.

[Debo]

Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Yeah. Look here, man, who else we got? Evans is leaving Tampa Bay, bruh. He signed a three year deal with San Francisco that could be worth up to 64 million. His agent, though, said this was not about money. He said the Buccaneers were extremely aggressive in their pursuit and presented a very strong offer. In the end, the decision came down to Mike wanting a new challenge and a fresh opportunity while he still feels like he has a great deal left to give the game. Joe.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

What do you think? Do you think it was the money or do you. Do you think he just was like, yo, it ain't go, it ain't gonna be it over here? You think he just.

[Joe]

I mean, I think he'd been there for a while. He's been there for a while and he got the right for change of scenery when you become free. Like if they didn't sign them Going into that last year, when you give a player the chance to become free and be able to see their options, be able to look and see what other teams that they can go to and just want to switch it up, like, there's not really too many chances where you control your own destiny. And then Mike Evans, in the end of his career, knowing that he probably can get another three year deal and you can get $20 million a year playing receiver at 30 some years old and trying to go to a team where you feel like gives you the best chance to win. You might. And maybe not that it's not a. Probably a shot against Tampa, but being an NFL player, you having that right to be able to go wherever you

[Debo]

want, it has to be a shot because you've been there your whole career, like. And I think it's just a shot because he's at that point right now. He's going to year, what, 13. Yeah. And I think, you know what, man, he sat back and he's like, man, I'm going year 13, 32 years old, man, and I, you know, I wanna, I wanna give me a Super bowl maybe. I thought he already had one, though. He didn't win a Super bowl when Tom was there. Yeah, he did.

[Joe]

All right, so that's why. So that's why right there, brother.

[Debo]

I don't, that's, you know, I'm like, maybe he wants another one. I don't know, dude. But I don't think it could be the money because he's saying they gave him a strong offer and you decided to go to San Francisco, California, of all places, the taxes, and leave Florida with no taxes, bruh. It, it got to be something way more than just a change of scenery, bruh. Like you have just said, I don't see it being able to be done here. And I want to get back to Chip and I gotta make this move because I'm not going from Florida, no tax to California. They. Hey, dude, they taking, they taking. If you, if you get all 60.4, they taking 30.2 right now.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

And then they taking an extra 5 or 10. I hear anything else?

[Joe]

I hear you. I hear you. I, I don't. I think that, man, I don't think he was worried about the taxes. I think he was worried about trying to get. I think he thinks that they, like, he already won a Super bowl with, with, with Tampa, so he don't owe them nothing. And just like, I, I just think it's really just a change of scenery. And I think he Thinks he can go get one out there.

[Debo]

Exactly. So that means where I'm at.

[Joe]

So you saying is that a shot at Baker Mayfield or is it shot at the organization?

[Debo]

I think it's a shot at the whole organization. I mean, when you look at it, I would take it as a whole. Shot at the whole, whole organization as a whole. Because one person ain't gonna win you a championship. Yes, that position is going to help you greatly, as long as they're good at it. But you still need offense, defense, special team. I think he was like, yo, he looked at the whole thing and was like, I don't. I'm not going to California, bro. I might have to just sit there and eat that. It depends how strong the art, man.

[Joe]

I can't see you are thinking about the taxes. He is thinking about the weather and how there's no. It's not humid out there. He's gonna be relaxing and chilling. And you like this. They're taking your money. I know what you're saying. I'm just letting you know, for a lot of dudes I've been talking to, too, they're 49. Is a San Fran. It's California. It's the weather.

[Debo]

Hold up now, listen. You over there in San Fran, next to all that.

[Joe]

Oh, Lord. Next to the. Next to the.

[Debo]

All that other stuff.

[Joe]

Next to the messed up facility that's messing up people's knees, okay? See?

[Debo]

Tearing up ligaments, tendons, all that weakening them. Stop, bro. Come on. And you older like that. I. I ain't making that move, bro. I'm stay right there in Florida with that hot ass.

[Joe]

Well, no, I ain't gonna lie. If it was you, I know where you're staying. Mike, I'm not mad at him, man. But look, that facility. That facility thing is crazy.

[Debo]

Yes.

[Joe]

ACL thing with all of that.

[Debo]

It's a real thing, man. It's a real thing. MF signals. That's a real thing. I showed you my thing. I showed you my meter and all that. Yeah.

[Joe]

They need to get real life. All that bread out there in Silicon Valley, they got to move that facility away or something. That's crazy.

[Debo]

No question, man. Get over here to your boy Kenneth Walker, the third. Yep. Over there with the Chiefs mvp signing over there with the Chiefs. Yo, they spent some bread on him, man. They spent some bread on him. Some bread that they ain't name spent at that position in a while, man. Why you think they did that, brother?

[Joe]

Because that's what winning teams and championship teams go to do. They don't they need. They think they need a piece. The offense to the running game with Hunt and with Pacheco hasn't been as consistent as it been in the last probably three, four years. So they needed a legit running back. Somebody where Patrick Mahomes back there getting, running around, trying to ad lib all the time. If he could just hand the ball off a couple of times and know, boom, like we can steady the pace, we can steady the ship. I can actually do a play action because they're respecting that Kendall Walker can actually take this joint up the field. So I think that the, the Chiefs are understanding. They have. They ended up signing Travis back, you know what I'm saying? For the 12 incentives up to 15. So got him back, he's solid. Pat's still there. Then they got them a running back. So I think with the Kansas City Chiefs, they just always knowing like we got Pat. Okay, okay. We still got Trav. What we need to do is give him a running game. Don't make Pat be Superman every single time, because he can do it. But then you start getting hurt, start looking crazy, start running around like, let's protect him. And when he got to do it, you know what I'm saying, he'll have to pull it out. But let's not make him do it all the time. So just being able to have that running game behind him where he's chilling sometimes. He just handed it off in 20 yard game. Next thing you know, we're up the field, we're chilling. It's a pace that they can work with now to where he's not just always man, it's second and it's third and 12. Pat, you better scramble, make something happen. Have to avoid dues and do all that. So I think it's just good teams trying to help out their team. They know what they need. They know they were lacking in the run game. Pat needs help there. So just trying to help out their team and get them as good as they can. So with this pick, I like the way they did it because if you're a good team and you know you just need that, go, go pay them maybe a little bit more and get you what you need. So I think they went and got what they needed and that's what, that's what good teams do.

[Debo]

Yeah, I'm feeling that. They just. What's your boy? I can't say his name right.

[Joe]

The Pete Pacheco.

[Debo]

Pacheco. Pacheco was free, I believe in 24. I think he missed all of but what, seven games in 24. Then he missed about three or four this year. And I think they was just like, you know what? We need to. We need to go with something else. We need to go ahead. And he's free on top of that. I said that before. And 25th ranked Russian game. It's like, yo, we just seen this dude, like, basically carry the whole team over here through these playoffs.

[Joe]

He led the team in Russian a couple of times, bro.

[Debo]

Hey, like, oh, 5, 25 and young. Young, moving. They say, you know what? Let's go ahead and give him a three for up to. Up to 45.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Debo]

15 a year. When it comes down to it, they had to make a move.

[Joe]

He was doing good too. Cause he was splitting time with Charbonnet. So. Like that wear and tear is not as crazy.

[Debo]

Yes, but now, see, he might get all these opportunities now. He's bell power.

[Joe]

Now it's gonna look like it was when. During the playoffs when Charbonnet got hurt. He got all the totes. And you see he was a Super bowl mvp. So he can handle it.

[Debo]

Oh, yeah, no question. No question about it. Do a threat too. He. He can catch the ball a little bit too, though.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

Oh, he over there with Pat. That's gonna get ugly.

[Joe]

That's gonna be ugly. And that's what that's like that for them.

[Debo]

That's gonna be pretty ugly. As long as he ain't playing against us. It's gonna be pretty. Then it's gonna be ugly. If we gotta chase this. Chase this man around, though.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

That ain't gonna. That ain't gonna be good. I'm so happy. I am so happy right now for the Raiders. No, I'm actually more. I'm happy for both of them. I'm happy for the Raiders and I'm happy for the Ravens. I'm happy for the Ravens because they lost somebody that they. They shouldn't. They shouldn't have let go. Okay. What is it, Lindenbaum? Hey, he is going to the Raiders for a historical contract over there. You agreed to a three year, 81 million, brother. Include 60 million in guarantees, and the average value is the most ever for an interior lineman. Bro. I'm so happy for you rat birds because y' all shouldn't have got Crosby. But I feel good that you losing something because when you go and you take something that shouldn't have been yours, you need to lose something. I'm also happy for the Raiders because now they possibly won't be getting their ass. Well, Gino, possibly won't be getting his ass tore out the frame. 64 sack high last year, the highest of all. The man was running for his life. And then when he couldn't run for his life, they was just cutting it short right there. I think the Raiders at that point, they had, what was it, almost 110 million in cap space number one. So they got the bread. I think this might have Tom's hand on. He's like, yeah, we got to go out here. We got to get something to protect these boys. They're going to get a quarterback too, though. I think they're going to get a quarterback. I don't know who it is, man.

[Joe]

I think they get the number one pick in the draft. They probably going. They gonna get my man from Indiana.

[Debo]

If they get him, they got. I think it's gonna have to be Tom's approval, man.

[Joe]

I think Tom might go get him.

[Debo]

I don't know.

[Joe]

They got the number one pick. They got a center. They would have somebody to protect them. They got Genty. They got a nice tight end. They got some picks. They got some bread. I mean, if he. If he likes Geno Smith and he thinks that could be the guy for sure. But if they had the number one pick and he thinks Mendoza could be the quarterback, then I mean, definitely have to have Tom's hand on it.

[Debo]

But I'm thinking Mendoza can come in there and do better than Gino right now.

[Joe]

I don't know.

[Debo]

I don't.

[Joe]

That's. Yes.

[Debo]

You say yes? Maybe. Why?

[Joe]

I mean, why? Why? Why not?

[Debo]

Dude, what's wrong? We got a bad connection. Something because you just doing the stutter again. No. So you telling bruh. You telling me this dude, go come in here and be better than Gino right now? That's crazy, Joe.

[Joe]

No, he's not.

[Debo]

He's not.

[Joe]

He not. But look, what. You know what you're gonna get from Gino, So what you gonna do?

[Amber Grimes]

You.

[Joe]

You just gonna be.

[Debo]

I'm getting a couple more offensive linemen and then worry about the quarterback position a year later down the road or something. Just. I mean, you might have to get smacked a couple more, you know, A year more just so you could make sure you get that number one pick.

[Joe]

See, that's what I'm saying. You just putting Gino in there to fail.

[Debo]

Hey, listen, we just. We just. We just gave. We just gave away 99 million to 1 person, man. Somebody got to pay for that across the league.

[Joe]

That 99 might have to be.

[Debo]

No, no, no. How much?

[Joe]

What's Gino's deal. How much longer Gino with?

[Debo]

I don't know, man. He better. He better get out of there before it be short. You supposed to be the contract man, Joe. Tell me. Hell,

[Joe]

hold up.

[Debo]

I want to see. I want to see Mandoza. I want to see what he do for real, man. Because

[Joe]

me too.

[Debo]

Especially like with like if he. He going 1, 1, 1, 1.

[Joe]

Like the Raiders got picks too. They got two first for Crosby.

[Debo]

So that's one this year, one next year.

[Joe]

They gonna be all right. I think. I think Tom Brady might got a long term plan with this. Cause you can go get you a high paid center. I have a long term man two for 75 million. April 2025.

[Debo]

I'm telling you right now, man, you don't make Tom Brady a minority owner if you ain't using every bit of his intelligence and intel that you can. His hand is in everything.

[Joe]

It for sure is.

[Debo]

So all that's why I want to say, hey, Thomas, just a. Nah, man. His hands in all that definitely is

[Joe]

in all of that.

[Debo]

And he might be fighting Logan Paul because He's scared of Le'Veon. Paul is. He's scared of Levy.

[Joe]

He definitely.

[Debo]

He.

[Joe]

Yeah, that. That Le'Veon not playing got. Le'Veon got information. He has. He has all the receipts ready. You know what I'm saying? He's ready for war. I would love.

[Debo]

Man, he ducking, duck, duck, goose. That boy over there playing duck, duck, goose with no goose. Just duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck. Le'veon ain't the goose now, Joe. Man, them boys, they say they spent over a billion dollars in 90 minutes. As soon as free agency started this year, they spent over a billion dollars in the first 90 minutes. Blam. Yep.

[Joe]

That's what happens though, Debo. They got money. Teams got money to spend.

[Debo]

Hey, 99 count against that billion.

[Joe]

No, I don't think so. No, because that. That. That contract was already what it was. That's just dead.

[Debo]

I'm just checking, man. This is dead. They don't even count.

[Joe]

Imagine did.

[Debo]

So they kind of lie to you, man. If it wasn't for my love of the game, I could probably take the 160 and be considered.

[Joe]

Be considered trash.

[Debo]

Trash. I just. Listen, man, I got my daddy name. I got my daddy name on my back, man.

[Joe]

Let me tell you this. Let me tell you this. Let me say this. Let me tell you this. After that 160 and everybody was trash all that. I don't have to Be on the Internet. I don't have to be.

[Debo]

You're going dog.

[Joe]

I'm going dark. The. I'm just cool with me and my people, like whoever's my homies that got my direct information, we're kicking it. And guess what? We're having a ball doing it. My ball of other people. Tell me I'm sorry. So get out of here. I'll buy you a drink. Get out of here. Kid, you got me messed up. If I'm too. I don't care what these people think. Who are you? Are you paying? Are you gonna keep my lights on? Are you gonna pay? Debo's Wi Fi. No, you're not. So go home, Roger. That's what I tell all of them bums. Straight up. Go home, Roger.

[Debo]

Oh, man.

[Joe]

Man, straight up, Debo. Don't let the man call them people, man. Listen, y' all is not. Y' all is not my.

[Debo]

Listen, I don't know what it is, though. I really. I. I want to say it's probably, but it's not pride. It's. It's. It's.

[Joe]

It.

[Debo]

I. I think it's responsibility. I mean, a man, you know. You know, you. You. You get paid to do something. You should. You should do what it is that you get paid to do. And yes, like, you know, and, And. And give them the service that you were supposed to be provide. But I mean, what if they take

[Joe]

your ball and tell you to go home for a hundred? Then what do you do?

[Debo]

I can't let you take my ball. I shouldn't have been in that position to get my ball took, Joe. How the hell I get in that position?

[Joe]

That's your choice. It's not your choice.

[Debo]

It's their ball. It's their ball.

[Joe]

They taking your ball and sending you off,

[Debo]

Joe. I did that, though. You. You can. I can't live with that, Joe. I can't live, Joe. I don't know if I can live with that, Joe.

[Joe]

See, that's why I'm like, look, I'm gonna just do.

[Debo]

Do it.

[Joe]

Do it. Well, if they did that to tour, he doing exactly what he had. He won't. He's gonna go to the team that he. That they.

[Debo]

That he ain't ducking off in the cut and hiding. He ain't ashamed of this. He going to sign with Atlanta. Hey, man, Joe, you know what, man? It's almost 12:30 something, man. You know what time it is, Joe? Time for play of Fame, presented by Prosper. All right, Joe, man, look here, man. You know Cooked up a lineup for us again right here, man. I'm gonna go ahead and I'm either gonna play what you got there or I'm gonna fade it. What you got here, Joey? Tell me why you got it and I'm gonna tell you what I'm gonna do with it.

[Joe]

Okay? Houston versus Toronto. I'm going with. This is just Amen Thompson baller, over 19 and a half, along with Kevin Durant over 19 and a half. These two right here, just easy money, okay? Easy money.

[Debo]

You know what that red devil mean, huh? You know what that red devil mean?

[Joe]

That means it's not supposed to be easy money. That means it's supposed to be a little bit harder. But I'm expecting him to get a bucket. Like I'm not putting it there for no reason. Okay, this is all researched. Okay?

[Debo]

Let's go.

[Joe]

Victor and Mayana with me on two assists because they beat every time. There's too. There's too much traffic. He's 76 with good vision. He's going to dime off at least two tray ball kickoffs. Okay? Points obviously 23.5. He's standing next to the rim. Boston, they too little for sure. Braun, James, they're playing against. They're playing against the Timberwolves. They. I hope they win. But Braun with four and a half assist. Braun over four and a half assists, obvious bronze. He's a slasher, he's a dimer. Luca scored 40 something the other day and now he's going to have. He's going to have Anthony Edwards in there that he's going against. And Anthony Edwards going to go try to drop 30 some. So Luka's not going to let him out duel him. Luka going to at least drop a 30 ball. So I'm liking all of these to hit for the exact reasons I said.

[Debo]

I ain't going to lie to you, Joe. The only one I'm tripping on, man, who you tripping?

[Joe]

You tripping the first one you tripping on. Amen.

[Debo]

You know what, Joe, man, you got every right.

[Joe]

You got every right to trip a little bit on that one. That was the most gangster one I pulled off.

[Debo]

So I'm go with you, Joe. I'm gonna play. I'm gonna play. I'm gonna play with my homeboy because that's. That's what I do. That's what I do. My guy says go happen. I'm gonna believe in trusting him that it's gonna happen. Okay? So make sure y' all download the app today and use the code Debo Joe. You get fifty dollars in lineups after you play your first five dollar liner. That Code Debo Joe, what we got over here in the super. Oh, Lord. Jimmy Christmas.

[Joe]

They was chatting up.

[Debo]

Whoa. You see the super chat.

[Joe]

Okay. Whoa. What up, supers?

[Debo]

Oh, my goodness. Hey, hey. She talking about Butter. Covenant Life. Let's just say 300 hours.

[Joe]

Come on.

[Debo]

Covenant Life.

[Joe]

Covenant Life. Got it. See that? That's what we sent to that. That's why Covenant Life get the jerseys. Covenant Life get what she need because she is loyal to Depot in jail. I love you cover.

[Debo]

No, hey, listen. That's how you said, that's my ace boom Coon.

[Joe]

That's my ace boom Kong.

[Debo]

Let's go. I'm.

[Joe]

Go ahead.

[Debo]

Hey, coming to life. Said Butter was crying, was likely gone. Like, that's the other one about likely.

[Joe]

Likely the tight end.

[Debo]

She said Atlantis pissed with Tua. I'm in GA and they're going to burn down the stadium with Stefanski and Tua. They're pissed. The only thing they have going for them is that Julio signed for Julio one day to retire.

[Joe]

Okay, okay.

[Debo]

We are killing the rat birds. If Tua sneeze, he is inconclusion protocol. Yo, you so wrong.

[Joe]

Like, hey, Covenant just be throwing out.

[Debo]

Hey, man, we need to get in Butters. Like, yo, man, I ain't seen you Butter in a minute, man. I. I really ain't want to go and look and then be honest with you just to see. Because I know he was over there talking goofy when they went and got, you know, when they got Carl, you know, Matter of fact, I'mma ask. I'm gonna go ahead and get in this. Getting it, getting, getting this, getting this dm because they, they did lose the best offensive lineman. And now what are you going to do? Hey, Butter, what you gonna do now? Y' all done lost. Y'.

[Amber Grimes]

All.

[Debo]

Y' all done, brother.

[Joe]

They lost this center, they lost their likely, they lost the tight end and they lost their punter.

[Debo]

Yes, yes. Hey, look here, look here. And y' all still ain't apologized. Ravens old coordinator, you still haven't apologized to Laura Jackson for you.

[Joe]

You, you say he got apologize to

[Debo]

that man saying something that was not at him, but it was certainly directed in his direction. You need to apologize. 74 million right now. If I'm him, I want a upfront apology. I want it in person. And I wrote on a letterhead, Lamar, don't let him treat you as if you're a second class citizen. You're Lamar. Jackson MVP multiple times.

[Joe]

You trying to get him pissed?

[Debo]

Yes.

[Joe]

Like, man, people. You eat anybody that serious. But you know what? For them, man, Bump it, Lamar. Do not let this. Do not let this slide. You should.

[Debo]

I need everything to crash and burn over there. But look here, man. Come to life. Back again. She said, y', all, let me have some bail. What? Oh, let me have some bail is on the chat. That's the nickname. Let me. I thought you were saying Covenant Life. Listen, Covenant. What you were saying right there, I almost. Almost felt like I read something bad.

[Joe]

I thought you said, I want some bad.

[Debo]

I'm like, whoa, hold up, hold up.

[Joe]

Now, hold on.

[Debo]

Was in the chat. That's for sure.

[Joe]

Pg.

[Debo]

She said, yay. She said, y' all know I have a name for everyone, and that's what I would. I would call him. We miss Bell. Yes. We miss you, Bell. Yes. For sure. For sure. I. I thought I said something wrong. I was.

[Joe]

Because you can't read it. He said, let me have. Let me.

[Debo]

I didn't know what happened there.

[Joe]

Let me have some. Let me have something.

[Debo]

Let me have some mail in my. Is on my. Okay. All right. Okay. At least the hearts is black and gold. If there was red, I might have gotten nervous. I don't know. I was nervous when I said it because I had to stop myself. I was like, yo, am I saying this or is they saying it? I felt kind of weird saying to myself, I just ain't no. I ain't no cutting Life again. Two dollars. Thank you. Oh, we.

[Joe]

You see that? Liam 9087. Liam 9087. What up, Debo and Joe, what are your thoughts on double mug formations? I think we should be more aggressive to keep offenses from double and triple teaming. TJ and obvious passing situations.

[Debo]

Wow. How in the hell do you think we're going to stop someone some doubling and triple teaming someone, son.

[Joe]

And I'm telling you this, darling, I hope they double and triple team them because then that's one on ones or somebody's open. And if we getting three on tj, then Highsmith, darling.

[Debo]

Huh? That's Liam.

[Joe]

Oh, that's Liam. Oh, my bad, brother.

[Debo]

That's why I said son. How do you think we go stop them from doubling, triple teaming somebody? We can't. What we do is make sure somebody else gets the job done. Because if we taking up two and three here, that means another man got a whoop a man. Every man whoop a man. And what. What else? Joe?

[Joe]

And every good man whooped two.

[Debo]

Okay. You can't stop nobody from doubling.

[Joe]

Nobody talking about the double mug looks like when you put the linebackers up on the line, I'm like. But then they could make it look like zero. You know what I'm saying?

[Debo]

We're not. We're not. We're not built for double looks because of what they done did with the inside linebackers and where they got to get in coverage.

[Joe]

We're not built for it.

[Debo]

We used to be able to do that. Not no more. Why, Joe?

[Joe]

I don't know, Devo. Why?

[Debo]

Yeah, exactly, man. John. What is that? John? Jonathan Holster. $7115. Yo, Le'Veon. Is. Is Billy Ho tender? What? The foe you used to play Marvels with. All right, we'll let him know. I don't know what that is. You played marvels Is. You mean marbles or marvels? What is Marvels?

[Joe]

Do you talk about, like, the action? Like, are we talking about Marvel's? Like, Iron man,

[Debo]

bro? What? No, Iron man back then.

[Joe]

I'm saying Marvel's, though. That's a Marvel's character.

[Debo]

Sure. It ain't marbles.

[Joe]

Marbles.

[Debo]

I don't know. I don't even know how to play marbles. But I know it's a marbles game. I know it was a play Marvels play with. I hate when y' all do this to me in the chat, man.

[Joe]

Huh? Got your ass looking like you don't know what's going on.

[Debo]

Coming to life. Had $2. Said thank you for our guest. Can we get Troy? We could get Troy, but we'll let you know when that happens. We could definitely get Troy. We just don't know when that would be. Maybe

[Joe]

with some. For a good time. Like, we gotta pick the right time.

[Debo]

I don't know. Maybe if Logan Paul probably called Troy out to fight him. But

[Joe]

that's what I'm talking about. That's what? That's. Troy be off the. Off the map.

[Debo]

Missing.

[Joe]

Chilling. That's what I would do. Then they give me that 160. Off the map. Debo.

[Debo]

Hey, for me and my friends. I'm not Joe. I can't. How can you live like that?

[Joe]

No, I' ma still be. I' ma still be out. I still be out. I just won't be online like that.

[Debo]

Online. Okay, now you out. You out somewhere, right? And they see you. Yeah. And they start talking to you.

[Joe]

See, that's. And that's the crazy part, though. A lot of people, they not going. The only way they're going to talk crazy is over the Internet when they see you in person.

[Debo]

No, they know you got 99. I'm gonna talk crazy to you in person. Hope you hit me.

[Joe]

Oh, see? No, I'm like, see? Nope. Guess what?

[Debo]

No.

[Joe]

See you. Oh, you. You one of them, bruh. You wanna listen?

[Debo]

I' ma get the bag, Joe. If I can't get it legit, I'm gonna go ahead and get hit.

[Joe]

That's a fact. I'm with that, Debo.

[Debo]

I'm with that.

[Joe]

Okay, okay.

[Debo]

I can't get a legit. I'm gonna go ahead get hit. Man. We don't went over over, brother, man. Hey, guys, you want to thank you for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you, like, subscribe and download the podcast. We'll be right back here on Friday, Joe.

[Joe]

Yo, see y' all on Friday. Same time, same place. Let's get it.

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Amber Grimes]

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