Nightcap Hour 1: Messi BREAKS World Cup GOALS Record + Kylian Mbappe DOMINATES vs Iraq + Timberwolves TRADE Julius Randle + Trae Young SIGNS 4-year $212M CONTRACT with Wizards + Giannis EXPECTS to be TRADED by NBA Draft

Summary

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Nightcap Hour 1 (June 23, 2026): Main Theme and Overview

Main Theme:
Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson bring their signature unfiltered takes and banter to break down the latest, headline-grabbing events in international soccer and the NBA. This episode covers Lionel Messi breaking the all-time World Cup goals record, Kylian Mbappé's continued dominance, Erling Haaland's rise, the Minnesota Timberwolves' surprising Julius Randle trade, Trae Young’s mega-contract with the Wizards, rumors on Giannis Antetokounmpo’s looming trade, and the “messy” business of sports reporting.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Messi Breaks the World Cup Goals Record

Start: [08:07]

• Messi scores twice against Austria, setting the all-time World Cup goals record (18, surpassing the previous record).
• Missed penalty noted: “Missed the penalty kick in the World Cup. He has the most missed penalties in World Cup history.” – Shannon [08:19]
• Peter Schmeichel’s controversy: Goal should’ve been disallowed due to a foul in buildup, but both hosts downplay it: “Messi is not a repeat offender ... if you watch the game ... it was an accident.” – Ocho [08:49]
• Appreciation for Messi’s longevity and dominance:
  • “At 39 years old … it’s just, it’s unreal.” – Ocho [09:50]
  • “He normally shows up and he normally shows up in big ways.” – Shannon [10:01]
• Comparison to Cristiano Ronaldo:
  • Ocho, a CR7 fan, admits Messi is making his “GOAT” argument harder: “It’s hard for me to continue to try to defend what I thought was the greatest player of all time in Cristiano with the way Messi is playing.” [08:49]
  • “I always say ... Messi doesn't play for Argentina. Argentina plays for Messi.” – Ocho [12:47]

Notable Quotes

• “When you’re 39 years old, you’re supposed to be coming off the bench, not dictating games...” – Ocho [09:25]
• “He just adds layers to his cake, Ocho. How many layers the cake already?” – Shannon [16:40]
• On being in awe of Messi’s greatness:
  • “You know greatness when you watch it.” – Shannon [11:54]
  • “He’s special. Like, I’ve never denied him being special. I never denied him being one of the greatest of all time. But ... I still prefer Cristiano.” – Ocho [16:54]

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Mbappé & Haaland: The Next Generation

Start: [10:25]

• Mbappé’s World Cup chase:
  • “Every time Messi do something and Mbappé come right back and do the same thing.” – Ocho [10:35]
  • “He has four goals in two games. Sixteen World Cup goals in sixteen career games." – Shannon [21:07]
  • “Mbappé probably gonna crush that [Messi’s record].” – Ocho [11:16]
• Haaland’s rise:
  • Scored two against Senegal, four total goals in his debut tournament.
  • Ocho draws a football comparison: “If I was to compare somebody in football ... Haaland would be like Calvin Johnson.” [21:20]
  • “He nice. Nothing pretty to him ... but for what he does, he does it really, really, really goddamn well.” – Ocho [21:51]
• Discussion on era’s scoring “ease”:
  • “Is scoring easier now, Ocho?” – Shannon [22:02]
    • “No, and that’s just how—they are the best at scoring. Not only in the World Cup, they the best at scoring in the world.” – Ocho [22:04]

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Soccer Legends & Context

Start: [13:24]

• Legacy talk:
  • “He’s Jordan in his country.” – Shannon, speaking on Messi’s status [17:35]
  • Debate on Maradona, Pele, and the coverage of greatness in previous eras.
• Aging and longevity in soccer:
  • “The 24-year-old Messi looks very similar to the 38-year-old Messi.” – Shannon [15:17]
• The uniqueness of Messi’s stardom and life constraints:
  • “Messi is never going to be able to go ... His kids will never know what it’s like not to be in the sports and be able to go to the park and kick the ball around with the dad.” – Shannon [18:52]

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NBA Trade Buzz: Timberwolves Deal Julius Randle

Start: [27:19]; Details resume: [30:38]

• The deal:
  • Minnesota trades Julius Randle and the No. 28 pick in a 3-team deal, receiving Brooklyn’s No. 33 pick. Nick Claxton goes to the Bulls.
• Reaction:
  • “They gave this man away. Yeah, they gave—They were so—Listen, Chad, do y’all realize what they did? Julius Randle is a former all-star.” – Shannon [31:05]
  • Discussion about Randle’s postseason shortcomings and being easily replaced by role players: “He wasn’t good when they needed him to be good and far too many times, that’s what.” – Shannon [31:43]
• Discussion on fit and “system vs. talent”:
  • “Systems matter, like you say all the time.” – Ocho [33:50]
  • Shannon’s rejoinder: “Great players overcome system ... a great player is the system.” [33:58]

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Trae Young’s New Contract; Anthony Davis Rumors

Start: [36:12]

• Trae Young signs a 4-year, $212M deal with the Washington Wizards:
  • “He turned down the $49 million player option for the 26-27 season, betting on himself to secure a longer-term deal. And today, Ocho, that paid off.” – Shannon [36:53]
• Anthony Davis seeking max extension; possible Washington trade:
  • Debate on max contracts for injury-prone players: “I think they should put something in the contract, though ... and the only way you earn the max dollars is that you stay healthy and play a certain amount of games.” – Ocho [37:27]
  • “They don’t make very many 6’10” guys that can give you 20 and 12 and 3 blocks a game ... He is phenomenal when he plays.” – Shannon [37:16 & 39:44]

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Giannis Antetokounmpo Trade Watch

Start: [45:53]

• Giannis expected to be traded before the draft, with Boston Celtics and Miami Heat as finalists:
  • “If you’re a betting man, Giannis ends up in Miami or does he end up in Boston?” – Shannon [46:36]
  • “I told you he was down here [Miami] looking for houses ... Giannis, Tatum, and Jalen Brown, that ain’t happening ... he gonna be in Miami.” – Ocho [46:49]
• Asset breakdown:
  • Boston: Jalen Brown, picks.
  • Miami: Tyler Herro, multiple picks and young talent.
  • Concerns about “robbing the cupboard" for stars: “If you give up all that, and when the guy get there, the COVID is bare ... That’s what happened ... when Giannis says he could see himself playing for someone other than Milwaukee ... that’s what he said.” – Shannon [48:48 & 49:29]

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The "Messy" Business of Sports Reporting

Start: [50:00]

• Pushback from fans when athlete-insiders break news:
  • “I be a damn if they ain’t get mad at us, the media. Y’all keep bringing it up.” – Shannon [50:00]
  • Ocho gets “cussed out all day on Twitter … there’s nothing wrong with Shador. I love Shador ... but if Deshaun Watson is healthy, he’s going to be the starter whether you like it or not. Because of the money.” [51:21]
• Double standard between player-reporters vs. "mainstream" insiders:
  • “Why is it Woj? Why is it Jay Glazer, why is it Shams ... that give y’all inside information ... why aren’t they messy? ... but Ocho and Unc, we gotta be making it up?” – Shannon [53:00]
• On not always breaking news for protection:
  • “If I were to say stuff, y’all gonna try to pinpoint who I got it from, right? So to keep everybody safe, I don’t say nothing. I just let it play out.” – Shannon [55:02]
• Experience and credibility overlooked:
  • “Having been a receiver, having been a tight end, having dealt with the quarterback ... we got 50 years of playing football ... but now we don't know what we're talking about.” – Shannon [57:00]

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Celtics, Jalen Brown & NBA “Number One” Dynamics

Start: [58:12]

• Jalen Brown v. Jason Tatum:
  • Even after excelling when Tatum was injured, the organization and public still see Tatum as the top option.
  • “There’s really nothing that Jalen Brown could have done to change not only the eyes of the people, but the people in the organization that feel [Tatum is number one].” – Ocho [59:42]
  • “Tell me ... you’ve ever heard a trade scenario when Jason Tatum was involved? Every trade scenario has always involved Jalen Brown.” – Shannon [60:09]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Messi doesn’t play for Argentina. Argentina plays for Messi.” – Ocho [12:47]
• “He just adds layers to his cake, Ocho. ... How tall you want this damn cake? Because ain't nobody gonna be able to reach up there and cut the top of it.” – Shannon [16:40]
• “Great players overcome system. Kobe’s gonna be Kobe in any system. LeBron will be LeBron. Jordan will be Jordan. The great players ... a great player is the system.” – Shannon [33:58]
• “Why is it Woj? ... that give y’all inside information ... why aren’t they messy? ... but Ocho and Unc, we gotta be making it up?” – Shannon [53:00]
• “There’s nothing, nothing else Jalen Brown can do to convince them that he's the equivalent of Jason Tatum.” – Shannon [60:00]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [08:07] – Messi’s World Cup record, legacy, and contemporary greatness
• [10:25] – Mbappé and Haaland rise; “ease” of modern goal scoring
• [13:24] – GOAT debates; Messi’s place in history, living as a megastar
• [27:19/30:38] – Timberwolves trade Julius Randle analysis
• [36:12] – Trae Young’s contract and Anthony Davis rumors
• [45:53] – Giannis Antetokounmpo trade watch: Celtics vs. Heat
• [50:00] – Player-reporters vs. traditional insiders (“messy” narrative)
• [58:12] – Celtics, Jalen Brown and NBA organizational hierarchy

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Episode Takeaways

• Lionel Messi’s continued excellence at 38/39 is redefining sports longevity and GOAT arguments, to even his biggest critic’s awe.
• Mbappé and Haaland are ready to chase his records. Scoring stats are historic, but the regularity of the same elite names (Messi, Mbappé, Haaland) atop the leaderboards speaks to both talent and era.
• NBA big moves: Timberwolves dumping Randle, major contract for Trae Young, with future-shaping trades/rumors swirling around both Giannis and Anthony Davis.
• Reporting realities: Sharpe and Ocho call out the double standard between “insider” news breakers versus ex-athletes, and call for more respect for insiders with real locker-room experience.
• Team dynamics: Even stellar fill-in runs (Jalen Brown) can’t change entrenched org perceptions (Jason Tatum as Celtics’ 'true' number one).

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Tone throughout: Warm, deeply conversational, at times comedic, packed with sports references and analogies, marked by Chad and Shannon’s chemistry.

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[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

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[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Messi breaks the record for most World cup goals scoring after he scores two versus Austria. Missed penalty kick early in the game. Missed the penalty kick in the World Cup. Hit you most. He has the most missed penalties in World cup history.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Peter Schmeichel. I think that's how you say his name.

[Nissan Rogue Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Says that Messi's goal shouldn't have stood due to a foot foul in the buildup. Messy goal. Should have been a disallow McAllister and kick Schlager from behind. Clear and obvious mistake from the referee. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did Messi and co get away with another after the match after not being Red Carter in his previous match?

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

I mean the Bridge still talk about that? Obviously not. Obviously not. You know, you're going to collide with people sometimes if it's, if it's not, you know, purposely done, you know, sometimes the rest will over overlook it. No, Messi is not a repeat offender. And, and having fouls and, and, and you know, clawing somebody, obviously it was an accident. If you watch, if you watch the game other than that, man, like it's hard for me to, to continue to try to defend what I thought was the greatest player of all time in Cristiano with the way Messi is playing with Messi's done is. I already knew his greatness. I understood his greatness and, and with appreciation that I have for the beautiful game in general. I understand he was one of the best to probably ever do it and just, just what he's doing at his sixth World cup, man, at 39 years old or 38 years old. Excuse me. And just it's, it's, it's, it's unbelievable. Like, you're not supposed to be able. When you're 39 years old, you're playing for your country, you're supposed to be coming off the bench, not dictating games, you know, and just, just not the

[Shannon Sharpe]

best player in World cup, basically.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

And that, that's what he is. I'm almost at a loss for words, trying to describe what he's been able to do, forget just his whole career. But what are you doing at 38 at the World cup right now, man? It's just, it's unreal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think the thing is, Ocho is that in the biggest moments, he normally shows up and he normally shows up in big ways. We saw him last year in the World cup and that, that, that was one of the great final matches between them and France. And then to start, to not start. I mean, here he is in 26 and he gets three goals to start. And he gets another two goals. He's got five. Hell, he gets another one to two goals. Oh, yo, he's gonna win the Golden Boot.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He gonna win it again.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Well, hold on. You, you wait. He. He might, because. And Boppy is right on his head, huh? And Bobby's only two go. And Bobby had two again today.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

And Bobby every time Messi do something and Bobby come right back and do. And do the same thing. And early Erling Holland is not too far behind those.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Behind those two.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he's just, he's just phenomenal. I mean, he said, look, he has 17. Broke 17 then he got 18. The most goals in World cup history. Obviously, I think Mbappe has 14.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So he's going to need to put that thing on that because Mbappe is coming. I don't know how long he's going to have it. He looked like he might have it for at least Ocho for this World cup, considering. But considering Mbappe's age and how many more World Cups he's going to be a part of.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

He got, he got. He got at least three more. He got at least three more. You got to think this is only his third World cup, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, he's at 14. It took Messi. It took Messi six World cup to get to the number he's at now. So Bobby probably gonna got him to crush that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And like you said, he's right on his heels right now. So if he's. If he just get. I mean, it's like you're watching this and you, like, you're in awe of just how great Messi is.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then you watching them, I'd be like, well, bro, y' all know I'm not fettuccine, right? And Holland is like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's get carried away. These other two guys are great, but I'm great in my own right. It's just amazing. I mean, to sit here and I'm not the biggest soccer aficionado, but I know greatness when I see it.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No matter. No sport, no matter the activity. You know greatness when you watch it.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You watch people shoot billions, and you watch them play horseshoes, or you watch them bowl and you watch them throw darts, you watch them do cornhole. No matter the sport. You know what greatness is if you don't know anything about the game?

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You might not know a singer, but let somebody go out there and start singing, that person can sing.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know the difference? And the funny thing, you. You can. You can actually tell exactly how good certain individuals are. Even if you don't watch soccer, if you watch Argentina play, if you watch Norway play, or if you watch France play, you. You can tell Mbappe is a difference maker. You can just tell once he gets the ball at his feet, his change of pace, what he's able to do. Holland is the same way, very efficient when it's time. When it comes to scoring goals, I always say, I'm at this point now. Messi doesn't play for Argentina. Argentina plays for Messi.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

From now on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That, that, that, that.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

That's it. And. And I need. I'm not sure when Portugal plays, but I need Cristiano to come to the party. I need his teammates to actually to. To. To. To play as. As one now. I don't want anybody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you said messy. Bigger than the country now, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Man, listen, I. I don't. I don't know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He'll.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

God, I don't know what else to say. Like, what he's doing is ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And I know him and Cristiano played two completely different positions. Cristiano plays a dependent position on his midfield. Messi can sign. Can. Can. Can kind of control the games as. As. As a point guard in a sense.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, so, I mean, but. Oh, man, dude, dude. Dude. Dude is phenomenal, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, I think the thing is, Ocho and I don't really know, look, I don't really know a whole lot of great other Argentines. I know Juan del Potro, the great tennis player who had to retire early because he had wrist injuries. He beat. Was it 2009? I think he beat Federer at the US Open in a five setter with a great match. Delpo, but I don't know a whole lot of great. Oh, Manu, but for the most part. And, and, but because, but soccer is the sport and I remember Depot, he got his welcome when he went back and he won the U S. Open. And I'm sure Manu similar, especially, especially when they won the FIFA, when they won the World cup and then they ended up winning the, the gold medal in 2004. So that was a hero's welcome. But with this man doing. Like I said, I don't know. Like I said, I. We don't have. We didn't have Internet and we didn't have the coverage that we have now.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But Maradona, Pele.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey, it's. And the fact that Messi makes it so easy and I have a great understanding of the game, on how difficult the game is. And he just gliding past people, shooting with efficient shooting with his left, shooting with his right. He's always three steps ahead of everybody else. His iq, you know, and understanding for where everybody's going to be and, and how to, how to manipulate defenders to get. Oh, man. His body faints. It's like, dude, you 38. Like, what are you doing? What are you doing? You're making it hard for me to argue with people on Twitter and Instagrams about why I feel Cristiano's my goal. I mean, it's like I'm running out of things to argue about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the plus to Ocho is that he's been great for so long.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's almost like, yeah, is he. I mean, and it's hard to say, but the 24 year old Messi, he looks very similar to the 38 year old Messi. Yeah, he's still doing it at an elite level. These guys are getting faster, they're getting stronger. And he's like, okay. And I'm still, I still can do it at an elite level. And we were like, retire, Retire. Why retirement and do what this gift I have. And that's what, you know, we talk about it a lot of times, like, well, he should retire. It's hard to tell somebody when they're still playing at an elite level to just walk away from the game and do what when you've Trained a lifetime for this moment. You don't want it to end. I don't know if Chad, I don't know. Whatever your greatest moment is, whether you've been in love and y' all went on a honeymoon or the first time, you know, you and your lady or your guy got together or where you went somewhere with your family, you didn't want that moment to end. This man has had 20 years of damn moments. Not one, 20 years.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Big one at this point. Anki just playing for fun. He's won everything that's possible. It is eight Ballon d'. Ors. I mean, who knows how many golden boots. He's got a World cup already. So he basically, I just, he playing, I'm doing anything extra is just a cherry on top.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, he just add layers to his cake, Ocho. I mean, how many layers the cake already? You like a wedding cake, Ocho? They got an eight year wedding cake.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How tall you want this damn cake? Because ain't nobody gonna be able to reach up there and cut the top of it. We gotta start at, start at the damn bottom.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, man, he's, he's, he's special, man. He, he's, he's special. Like I, I, I've never denied him being special. I never denied him being one of the greatest of all time. But I, I just, I, I, as, as great as he is, I still prefer Cristiano. That's okay. I know people will say, anyone that knows ball knows that Messi is the greatest. I, I just prefer based on style of play. I understand what Messi's doing. It's, it's phenomenal. He's magic with the ball at his feet. But, but, but for me, I, I, I like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, it's hard to even put it into words because people are going to argue the fact that look at the resume, look at the accolades. It just, it's just my preference that, that's all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, can you imagine he's Jordan in his country? Can you imagine what he like in his country? He can't go anywhere. Just like Michael Jordan. Well, I mean some people he like, he Ronaldo there, there like probably 10 sports guys that can't go maybe a little more. They can't go anywhere in the world. They're that recognizable. Yeah, Messi, Ronaldo, Jordan. Some guys can't go anywhere. Yeah, they'll never, they'll never know what it's like to be normal, not famous. Yeah, because they've been famous longer than They've not been famous. You saw. Okay, I'm gonna take the first 10. You take the first 18 years of Jordan's life. Once he hit that shot, everybody knew who Mike Jordan was, okay? Ronaldo Messi, once they burst on the international stage. So for the last 25, 20 years, they've been famous. They've been famous. LeBron James, once he appeared on the COVID of Sports Illustrated. It was over. It was over. He's never. Michael Jackson. Once he was. At 7, 8 years old. He was never gonna be a. Have a normal life.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was never gonna be a kid.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Messi is never going to be able to go. His kids are. His kids will never know what it's like not to be in the sports and be able to go to the park and kick the ball around with the dad. O Joe, like a lot of kids get an opportunity to play baseball with their father or shoot, you know, at your house. You ain't going to no park. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, you know, so funny, there's a clip of Messi and his wife going to Carbone. Because you got to think now, when you, when you're in Miami, the people that live here in Miami, they think they celebrities themselves. They just be regular people. So obviously, I've seen Messi go to Carbon with his wife. And I've seen him. He was in Publix. He was in Publix with his wife all by himself. And obviously, you know, you, he. He's so short. You. You look past him. Unless you're a soccer fan, right? You look right past him. He's about what, five, six, maybe five, seven, if that. So if you don't know, you just see a short guy, just short guy walking. He always wears hat real low so you can't tell who it is, right? And it's just, man, dude, man, listen. Tomorrow, I don't know if the Portuguese players are going to see this, but I need you. I need you guys, especially that midfield, Bruno Bettina. I need you to get Ronaldo the ball.

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[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Just getting the ball. Don't play hero ball, please, because I, I need something to argue. I can't. I can't even debate. I can't even argue with people on Twitter because Messi having an all world tournament so far.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what it is, Ocho? I think the thing is, is that, like, when great players that don't pretend like they don't, it's like, man, he's probably telling, bro, y' all see what this man doing? Y' all get this man the ball. Great. Great wide receivers. It drive him crazy. You going against another wide receiver. And that man cutting y' all up, man, y' all let this man show me up in my damn house. What are y' all doing?

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, man, it's difficult, man. It's difficult.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm trying to. Hey, hey. We gonna force feed. We gonna force feed old boy the ball. Cause we know what's on the other side. He gonna get upset, so we gonna double him. But y' all force feet, man. They running smoke screen. They run a jailbreak screen, don't you. They running. They running hitches.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Everything. N. It sucks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then, unbelievable. Galen Mbappe scores two goals versus Iraq. Four goals in two games. Sixteen World cup goals in 16 career games.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Crazy. That's crazy, Earl.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And Holland scores two goals versus Senegal. He has four goals in two games and his first ever World Cup.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Boy's good, Unc. Man, if. If I was to compare somebody and use football. Football terminology to give you a better example, Holland would be like Calvin Johnson.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he's huge.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Six, four, six, five.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go back and say he looked like he about six, four.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, strong as hell.

[Commercial Voiceover]

You.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

You can't. You catch him on a run, on a counter, fast. Hold people off. He can hold up play. He. He nice. Nothing pretty to him. He ain't gonna. He ain't gonna dribble past you and look like Messi or look like him between the legs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Between your legs and then take off running.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Nah, he ain't doing all that. He ain't doing all that. But for what he does, he does it really, really, really goddamn well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is scoring easier now, Ocho?

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, no, and that's just how. Just named. They are the best at scoring. Not only in the World cup, they the best at scoring in the world. And even at their clubs, right? I think Holland scoring 30. 30 goals in a season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, you hear about the great. You know, the Grays, like Mueller and Cleansman and. And Pele and. And all those guys. And like, well, damn, what were y' all doing back then? These guys right here, they. They done pass y'. All.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, if you think about it, right, if you. When you. When someone asks the question, is it scoring really that easy? It's not, because it's the same. The same culprits when it comes to the. The. The. The goals at the end of the season, it's the same people. Mbappe Holland. Mbappe Holland. Messi. Even when Messi has a 90. Hey, chat, correct me if I'm wrong. What's that Season where Messi had. Was it 61 goals or was it 91 in the league season? Wow, super. Some stupid, stupid. Like if you were playing a video, if you were playing a video game,

[Shannon Sharpe]

you couldn't score that many goals like that, huh?

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[Shannon Sharpe]

You would be able to score like that if you played.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, I don't know what he. I don't know what Messi ate that season. Chad, how many, how many was that that crazy season at Barcelona? That, that. I mean, Messi had that crazy goal season. It was so. It was something crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

73.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, it was 91. Yeah, every. I said it right. I was right. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

91 and 91.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

91. They only got 32. Is it 32 games in a season and plus if only. They only got 32 games in a season, plus a few other tournaments, you know, combined.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, how. Hell, in 91? He. Hell, I mean, he 38 now. So how was he at 91?

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

That was, that, that was in 2014, 2015 season. He scored 91 goals.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, so it wasn't, it wasn't 91 and 91, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, no, he scored 91 goals.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was 91 goals in a calendar year.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. You know how hard that is?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

You got. People don't even have 91 goals in their career. And here he go with 91 in one season. Wow, that's great, man. Well, I don't know what else to say.

[Shannon Sharpe]

FIFA do it. FIFA do getting. They. Look, I think everybody's extremely happy because your big time players, the people that they know, I don't know. Not a whole lot of people probably like myself, don't know a whole lot about soccer. We know names and when the names show up and show out, that's what, that's what. Hey, Ocho, that's what you want?

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's like it's a quarterback driven league. I want the quarterbacks to do well. Well, I want my big guns. I want Messi, I want him. Bobby, I want Holland. I want all those guys. I want them to play well and they've absolutely hit it out the park.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, they, they have. I just need, I just need my guy to hit it out the park tomorrow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? He scored 73 in one season and then he tacked on 18 and a calendar year. So he had 91 goals in a calendar year. He had 73 just in the season.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need Cristiano. They, they. Listen, Portugal plays.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He ain't about to get 73, so.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Hey, but Portugal play Uzbekistan tomorrow. Yeah, Uzbek, that. That should. That should be. That should be a statement game. It should. I don't want to be disrespectful to Uzbekistan. Portugal should. Should steamroll them. They should. They need to make a statement because they haven't been playing well as a team, as a whole unit. Not Christiano, just in general.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't finna let you. But see, guess what? Guess what Ubecca stands thinking.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't gonna get no 4, 5 go. So what they gonna do? Somebody else can score but you not listen.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Columbia beat him 3:1.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's okay.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hold on. Netherlands beat him 2:1.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's okay.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

I need, I need, I need. Come on. Come on, Portugal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We'll give Chris Henry 300. We ain't giving you 300. Cause you gonna act a fool. See, we'll get T. We'll let TJ get it, not you. Tj, just go hand the ball to the official, maybe spike the ball. You go act up.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah. Listen, I need to have a game. I need to be able to argue back and forth on Twitter. I. I need to. I. I have no rebuttals. There's really nothing I can say.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's getting harder and harder, Ocho, for you to argue back and forth.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

It is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's getting harder and harder. I mean, I wish you had some ammunition. I mean, you can win a war, but you got to have. But you got to have. You got to have the weapons to fight.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Since the tournament started, I don't have nothing like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you going out there old school fight. You going out there with muskets and cannon. It's drones. It's drones now, man. Everything is precision, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey. Hey, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

They killing me on Twitter, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know what's going on with this. I don't know what's going on with that. I don't know. Oo you. He better do something. He better do something.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, I'm hoping, I'm hoping. I'm hoping for a good showing in general from everybody. I want the midfield. I want Bruno to play like the best midfielder he's supposed to be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, we got breaking news. Minnesota is sending Julius Randle and the number 28 picks in the NBA draft in a three team trade that sends Nick Clack.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

[NBC News Anchor]

It's the rage bait.

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It feels like it's trying to divide people.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Maybe we can calm down a little.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Why is it always chaos when we link up?

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Because nobody plans anything, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

To Chicago. The Timberwolves will Acquire Brooklyn's number 33 pick for Randall and number 28. The T Wolves now have flexibility to sign a yo disamu and have an available $15 million non tax, mid level and a 15.5.5 million biannual exception. Minnesota will all also create a $33.3 million trade exception. So, in other words, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They gave this man away. Yeah, they gave. They. They were so. Listen, Chad, do y' all realize what they did? Julius Randall is a former all star.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They say, you know what? Here we get y' all, Julius Randall. What y' all got? Y' all got some pre wrap tape, Gatorade. You remember the Gatorade Ocho used to pay in the bag? Used to pour in the bag and pour the water in the stuff.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah. And make the powder and mix it up. Yeah. Hey. Oh, I got a question.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

He wasn't that bad. He wasn't that bad to just let him go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He wasn't good when they needed him to be good and far too many times, that's what. Because at the end of the day, Ocho, yes, you make a king's ransom. And in the regular season, but in the postseason, they needed him to show up. They needed somebody. And guess what? McDaniels had passed him as being the second best practice player. That's not an option.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right. So he made it easy for him to make that decision, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

And that's messed up, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, I. They. They literally gave this man away. Hold, let me tell. The Timberwolves would acquire Brooklyn's number 33 pick for Randall and 28. So hold on. They say we take number 33, we get y' all, Julius Randall and our 28 pick

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

damn. Now watch him now. Watch he go. He went to the Bulls, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, he went to the Nets. Nick Claxton goes to the Bulls.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, to the Bulls.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, yes.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Let me see. So he over there with the Nets. Who over there? Who over there in Brooklyn with.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nobody. Michael Porter Jr. Is the only one that I really. That I know of. I don't really know anybody else on the Nets, Chad, y'.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

All. I mean, that's not even fair. So he done went somewhere where they not. He's not even on the Contender anymore.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what they're telling him. Remember, they thought he was the piece to a contender. Remember when the Knicks got him? Remember when the T. Wolves got him? He is supposed to be a missing piece to a contender. When they trade you to the Nets,

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

and I don't mean it in no disrespect, but it's like, okay, now I'm just collecting a check and playing ball. I want to compete for a ring. I want to compete for a championship, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you had that opportunities. You had the opportunity. You were at the Knicks and then they moved you. They thought of me. They. And. And the mere fact that Minnesota thought they would get better by trading Cat versus for Drew Randall,

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't. That's tough. Hey, systems matter. Like you say all the time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Great players overcome system. Kobe's gonna be Kobe in any system. LeBron will be LeBron. Jordan will be Jordan. The great players will be great in any system.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The great players could overcome the system. A great player is the system. Instead of being that bull in the china shop more times than offer, he jacking up threes. He needed to be the second best player night in and night out. He needed to be the second best player. And we saw, we saw right before our eyes, McDaniels passing. We saw it. The Sambu past him looked better consistently than Julius Randall. Yeah, Shannon came off the bench and looked better than Randall. I can't. I can't pay you that kind of money, Ocho. And, and, and, and, and have guys coming off the bench are playing better than you. I can't.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Especially in those big moments, especially in those big games, especially in the guy in the playoffs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They gave this man away. At least, at least when he was on the Knicks, they went to the playoffs. And then you go to Minnesota, like, okay, I got. Look at it. I'm going. I'm going to join. I'm going to join Ant man. I'm going to join Rudy Gobert. You know, hey, we got a nice little Squad, we'll contend, you go to the next. Oh, Joe, you not going nowhere. You can't, you can't even. Hey, you can't. When your family ask you off camera, man, how y' all looking? You can't even lie. Oh, you can't lie. Hey, get your money. How many years you got still on the contract? You got one year left or two? Oh, he picking that up? Yeah, he got two years. What's his player option? Yeah, he picking that up.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Wait, how much is it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

35.8.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

What if he don't pick it up, what happens?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He become a free agent and then he hopes somebody gives somebody give them a long term deal for more than what he. For more than that, one year.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

So you think, you think it's a possibility? Someone take a chance on him?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Anything possible? I. It's hard for you to. It's hard for me to read the NBA, right? What they do, let's talk about it. According to Sean's Trey Young intend to sign a four year, 212 million dollar deal to stay with the Washington Wizards with a player option in year four. Remember he turned down the 49 million player option for the 2627 season betting on himself to secure a longer term deal. And today Ocho that paid off. According to Jake Fisher, Anthony Davis and his camp have been seeking a max extension and plausible to consider him a potential trade candidate out of Washington. You ask man, why would trade decline a 50 million dollar deal? Okay, so I can get a four year deal for 212.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, I just asked that yesterday too. That's crazy. That's crazy. It came to fruition. Now what about Anthony Davis now how is he? Has he asking or requesting anything long term with his history and being always being heard.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Guess what? Because they don't make very many 6, 10 guys that can give you 20 and 12 and 3 blocks a game, shoot 50 can anchor your defense, right.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

I think they should put something in the contract though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We'll give you never let you do it.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, we'll give you max dollars, right? And the only way you earn the max dollars that we put in the contract is that you stay healthy and play a certain amount of games each season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Player association, they gonna go for that.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Now

[Shannon Sharpe]

you see kind of some of the the situation that they put in Zion contract, body fat got to be a certain level, it's got to be under a certain weight, things like that.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Now

[Shannon Sharpe]

you want this deal, you ain't got to sign it. But who's gonna run the risk? Yeah, I Put that in there. Somebody gonna give you $150 million. And they say, well Ocho, we need you on time. Well, you gonna sign that deal?

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then you take, you know what, hey, I'm gonna take the, I take a late for you a couple of times, but I'm gonna get this money. You not gonna be so bullheaded like, man, I ain't signing that. That's a bad deal. Ain't nobody else gotta sign that. So that and, and they, from what they're talking about, Anthony Davis gonna probably get it and become a trade candidate.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, I mean he should get humped now. He, well, he, that boy. Now I, I even, even I understand that when he playing and we on the court, I understand how good he is on both ends of the court. But I mean, my goodness chat. I mean, you know, am I wrong if I was hurt all the time? Who they, I, I heard the nickname street clothes. Who they call street clothes, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, so I mean, listen, I'm just saying, I'm just saying maybe you know, they, the NBA team could protect themselves a little bit, you know, throw a little language in there like listen, man, if you, if you can't give us this amount of gain, you know, we're gonna take, we're gonna take a little, little piece of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That piece is a insurance policy like a lawyers of London. If somebody subs a career ending injury because that money is guaranteed, they get their money back. That's basically what they have, Ocho. Yeah, but like you said, because of, of his, because they know he's, he's 20 plus points, double digit rebounds, he shoots a high percentage, he's got a mid range, he got post the ball. He can shoot the three. Sometimes I think he falls in love with three a little bit too much. He can anchor your defense. Oh, he is phenomenal when he plays,

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

he nice when he plays.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But Trey, you know, it's going to be very interesting because now you hear more. All of a sudden Peterson has jumped back into the mix. Everybody. He has so much upside, so much upside that you're willing to take the risk on some of the things that we saw in college right now with Trey back. But I think the most part, most guys, with the exception, with the exception of Cam Boozer, both guys need the ball. The bonza had the ball. Peterson might have, Peterson might have didn't have the ball in his hands as much as the bonza.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Obviously, you know, trade needs the ball. So it's going to be interesting to see. Well how they do this?

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Washington has the number one pick. Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Washington has the number one pick. Utah has the number two pick.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

And then that, that, that would probably be why, based on what they were able to do in college, if the Bonds always had the ball in his hands, I mean, I would think his better destination would be Utah, where he could be on a team where he could have the ball in his hands. If Peter's going, if you already show you. I got. Listen, I could play off the ball. I could play without the ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All things being equal, everybody wants to be the first pick. Now, being the first pick doesn't land me in my ideal spot.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Maybe it's a situation. Remember Chris Weber went number one overall, and they ended up trading him for Penny Hardaway. Guys like, look, you can trade me wherever. I just want that attached out of the number one overall draft pick. Trade me wherever.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But just give me that. Let me have that. And I think I. I think AJ debonzo would love to be the number one overall draft pick. And then they make a trade them and Washington work out something where him. But I just think, how tall is Peterson? Because that is a really small backcourt with him and Trey Young in. Okay, still small.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

How tall he is, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Six, four. Six four. But you know Trey, six foot, we being nice. And look what happened. Well, he go. I mean, he. I mean, now I ain't going by Wikipedia, because you sent your own Wikipedia numbers. What did they measure at the NBA combine? Okay. Six, four and a half. That's what he is.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, he's six four.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, because they measured. Because, you know, they measure you in your socks. I guess. So he's six four and a half. Cause you know at the NFL Combat, they make you put your heels together and lift your toes. Cause they don't want you to get no arch. Now they say, you know What? He's probably 6 5. Cause he gonna have on sneakers. So we gonna go and give him that half inch. So he's 6 5. I turned off news altogether. I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait.

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Because nobody plans anything, bro.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

But we'll see. We're going to pay the draft tomorrow, huh? Yeah, I see it. We're going to find out tomorrow who goes number one. According to Shams, Giannis is expected to be traded before the start of the NBA draft Tuesday with the Celtics and Heat emerging as finalists to land the buck superstar.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

You don't say so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not expected to include a third team in the Yanis trade according to source and are focused solely on negotiating with the Celtics and the Heat. Sources excuse me. Told Shams that if traded the 2 Milwaukee for Giannis Brown would remain with the Bucks. Ocho, that ain't gonna happen if you're the betting man Giannis ends up in Miami or does he end up in Boston?

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right? If you're a bad man. I didn't told y' all the past six months where he was going. I don't know how long I've been saying it. You know, I ain't gonna tell you who my source is, but again, everything I say, listen, I might tell a joke or two, but I ain't gonna lie to you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

I said we was going a long time ago. You know, y' all laughed it off. Y' all ain't believe me, but I told you he was down here looking for houses. Boom. Now it comes down to it, man, listen. Giannis Tatum and Jalen Brown, that ain't happening. We know that's not happening. No, he gonna be in Miami. You know, we. Pat Riley got something else on this sleeve. Obviously when. When Giannis get here, he got one more movie trying to make. We'll see if that comes into fruition so we can compete in the East. We don't want to. We don't want to be decoration. We want to be playing, you know, not in the playing, but being. Being a seed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Clearly Boston have the most assets. You get Tyler Hero, you get Jaime Hawkez, you get Kale Ware, and you guys, if I'm not mistaken, if I was reading it correctly, you get three first round picks and you get some pick swaps.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now on the flip side, you get Jalen Brown, you get two late round draft picks. Two for late first round draft picks. I don't know the guy are you putting up here? Okay. The Miami Heat would send Tyler Hero Jaime Highcast, Kale Ware, Nicola Nicola Hobbit, pick 13. Two future first round picks. Boston would send Jalen Brown, Hugo Gonzalez, pick 27 and a future first round pick. Now the question is, do you trust your scouting department? Do you trust your drafting department? Because you got a team that can go play right now with Hero. Hawk Heads Ware. Havoc. Considering what you still have there. Jalen Brown is a number one option. He's going to sell tickets. So. But it seems to me they won't draft capital. Remember, they bought Dame Lillard out of his deal. They still owed him like 100 something million. Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

So.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But if you give up all that, if you the Heat, bam. And Giannis ain't winning no championship, he

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

got one more trick up they sleeve, huh? I'm gonna see if it work.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I sure hope so, because this happens every time. Ocho, is that you give up all your assets.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And when the guy get there, the COVID is bare. That's what happened. See, just imagine if the warriors had to trade for Kevin Durant. Now you can't keep all those pieces, but because he's a free agent and you didn't have to give up anything.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Anything. Yeah. Made it easy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Made it easy. When they mad at us, you see the chat. They mad enough y' all keep. It's always. It's always us. When Yanis says he could see himself playing for someone other than Milwaukee out of his own mouth, that's what he said. I didn't say that. Joe didn't say that. You didn't say that. The medias didn't say that. Giannis said he could see himself playing for someone other than the Bucks.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I be a damn if they ain't get mad at us, the media. Y' all keep bringing it up. Y' all keep bringing it up. It should have gave you. It should have gave you pause for cause. When he didn't sign the extension in year five, he didn't mention nothing about playing somebody else. And year eight, he didn't mention about, say, playing somewhere else. And year 10, now all of a sudden he mentions he could the possibility of playing elsewhere.

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And he didn't sign the extension. That would have kept him there.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

They think about their heart, huh? They think about their heart not thinking, but they mind, that's all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, don't be mad. Oh, ain't no messy. No, y' all messy. Y' all get mad at us. All we do is report. How do we have something report on if there's nothing y' all get Mad every time when we Ocho and I told you something was brewing in Philly, y' all got mad. How you know you ain't in the locker room. All you doing is tabloid. Do y' all think y' all really be thinking people night? I'm not saying they don't, but 98 of the time, the sources. The sources is the head coach, the general manager, the owner, the player personnel, the scouting department. That's the source. And guess what? In a sprinkling of players in there.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, shoot. I've been getting cussed out all day on Twitter. Talk about. Talk about the Cleveland Browns and desean Watson. You know, hey, they cussing me out, talking about I don't know what I'm talking about. Oh, and Jerry Judy, your source, I say, hey, this had nothing to do with Jerry Judy. You talk about, oh, we took a picture a few days ago, and all of a sudden now I'm saying what I'm saying. No, for one, Jerry Judy from Miami.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

We grew up together. I'm just a little bit older. I mean, I. I would. You would hope people understand that. But no, I'm. I'm using common sense and logic. The money's gonna play. There's nothing. There's nothing wrong with Shadow. I love Shador. I've said it countless times. He played well. He played well last year, you know, had some ups and downs. He has some growing pains. Yes. But if desean Watson is healthy, he's going to be the starter whether you like it or not. Because of the money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's common sense. If you understand the game. That's it. That's not a source. That's me having common sense and how the game goes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. So in other words, they mad at the messengers? Cause when Adam Schepter say that, y' all don't say Adam Shefter being messy. When Sean say that, y' all don't say Sean's being messy.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

When woes used to break story after story after story after story. Y' all didn't say woes making it up. So why Ocho and I got to be making it up? And y' all come to the conclusion, well, Jared, you. You took a picture. Why does it matter how we got our information? We telling you something you didn't know, and then you turned around. Oh, wait, we all knew that. No, you didn't. Cause you argued me enough. Oh, yo, down. But y' all knew it now. But I'm just saying, why is. Why is it Woj? Why is it Jay Glazier, why isn't Shams. Why is it all those other people that give y' all inside information that they got from sources, why aren't they messy? I've never heard, and I. I follow Shefter. I've known Shepton longer than anybody, anybody that espn. Shefter and I used to go to dinner. His mom and dad used to go to come to town. We would go to an Italian restaurant called Cow Mines. Ask it. He got to Denver the same time I got to Denver. I've looked up on his comments. Not one time have y' all ever said the man was messy. I look up on the. Sean's comments. Never. You say messy, I look up on the job. So I just need y' all to tell me why. When we give you information from a player standpoint, and we can see things that you can't, we can understand things that you can't, why is Ocho and Unc being messy? Just answer me that. Go ahead, chat. Take off.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

They. They. They.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They don't crash out. I'm asking y' all a simple question. Don't know. Crash out. Answer the question.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, no, they got. They.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I don't want to relax. I'm fine. I've been asleep all day. You see that? You want your. Instead of answering the question, crash out. Relax. No, Tell me why Ocho and I are messy. Adam Shefter report the same thing. Adam Schefter said things were going on in the locker room when Ocho and I tried to tell you. You just being messy. Y' all start. Y' all will never say Adam Schefter starting anything. Y' all never say Sean starting anything.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't nobody listen to me because I. I'm. I play so much. I ain't been. I'm right 98 of the time. I'm. I'm right 98 of the time. Anytime I say something,

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't. You know what, Ocho? I don't say anything. Because if I were to say stuff, y' all gonna try to pinpoint who I got it from, right? So to keep everybody safe, I don't say nothing. I just let it play out. Let it play out. Y' all find out in time. It's like. It's like when the levee bus, man, why don't you tell me? It's gonna flood. Y' all gonna find out sooner or later.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah,

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know a lot. That ain't my job. I will let it play out because all you gonna do is tell me. I don't know what I'm talking about. That's all you're gonna do. Table. I don't know what to talk about. We've been so. I was on this O.J. aJ Brown since October. And I say the reason why you don't do that, I say, because you have a game if you're not careful, and when they come to your Ocho, you don't make no plays, they're going

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

to let you have it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I've been down. The Rams game, the playoffs. O joke. It came full. It came full circle.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There are a lot of things I see. God, y'. All. Y' all forget that a lot of these coaches, a lot of these general managers, I know them. You ain't get it from me. Okay, copy what you want to, but just call me correct. Say what you want. Just say I'm correct.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Why is it so hard for people to give people credit? Especially our people. Y' all will get Adam Shefter. Y' all get Adam Shefter credit like it's nothing. Paul being Ocho.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Me and Ocho just a pole hustler trying to grow a channel.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We can't get no credit.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, it ain't. Damn. The entity. Ocho, we've been telling. We look here, we played the game.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We telling you what we see. We telling you the interactions that's taking place. Having been a receiver, having been a tight end, having dealt with the quarterback. Tell you something. All the years experience that we got between us, we got 50 years of playing football.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Organized football. But now we don't know what we talking about. So I'm crashing the ant. Guess what? Y' all listen to me. Crash out. I love it all today. All the days y' all call it. Y' all still y'. All. I just don't. I say what day of. Me and Ocho can say something. Yeah. This show did such and such. Hold on, man. Ocho said that. We don't get it. You ain't got a check? Nope. No. Now you get it. Now you. Oh, yo, now they get it now. The Boston Celtic situation.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

A Red Bull, please, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they got mad at us. The Boston Celtics situation with Jalen, with JB and jt Y' all trying to break them up. Y' all trying to break them up. You can't break up something that doesn't want to be broken up.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Talk to the Boston Celtics. JB sees Himself as a number one.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

The Celtics sees him, Jason Tatum, as the number one. He was never going to be seen in the eyes that we see him now as long as Jason Tatum was there. What happened? Jason Tatum, unfortunately got injured. Jaylen Brown got an opportunity to show you he was a number one. Number one, because even when Jay. When Jason. Oh, and J.T. jay. Excuse me. When JB won Eastern Conference Finals MVP, the Lab Bird Award, winning one Finals MVP, what did everybody say? That's because everybody geared their defense to stop Jason Tatum. You still wouldn't get a man the credit, even though he had the hardware on his mantle. You tried to make a reason or an excuse why he got it. Yeah. Okay, so now Jason Tatum is injured. He averages a career high. He gets his team to the number two seed.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, you know what's funny? That's one of those situations is there's really nothing that Jalen Brown could have done to change not only the eyes of the people, but the people in the organization that feel.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That is the thing, Ocho, is how they view them in the organization.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Thank you. You've never. Tell me the time that you've ever heard a trade scenario when Jason Tatum was involved. Every trade scenario has always involved Jalen Brown.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not one scenario has ever had Jason Tatum name attached to it.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, you know what? And I'm curious. I wonder who people think is the better player out of the two now. Based on what? Jalen Brown.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They still believe in Jason Tatum.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

See, there's nothing Jalen Brown could do to change that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nothing. Even after he averaged 28.7? Even after he got you the number two seed, after you sold off all the pieces that you had, you let Holiday go. You let Al Horford go.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You moved on from Christoph Brzinga's. There's nothing, nothing else Jalen Brown can do to convince them that he's a number one option and he's the equivalent of Jason Tatum. Absolutely nothing.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

That's. That's. That's. That's crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you hear him speaking out a little more. He knows. He sees the writing on the wall.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He know this all along, where this was coming from. He tried to play it off. Hey, look, I ain't got no problem. I don't know. Their relationship don't particularly care. I'm here to. Hey, I'm here to win games. I ain't here, I ain't here to be nobody's friend. If I have, if I, if I, if I develop friends in the process of winning, I'm good with that, O Joe. But if I don't, the hell with you.

[Chad Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. And you know, the thing is, is they've already won. They've already won their ring, they've already gotten their trophy. So that, that, that's set in stone. Now if, if, if Jalen Brown is to go somewhere, I think, I think they should run it back. I, I don't see him actually being traded. I, I don't know. Basketball is weird, the way they conduct themselves, especially owners see management, the players got FU money. When they want to leave, it's time to go on.

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