BEST of RELATIONSHIPS Part 1: TOP FIRST Date Spots, KEYS to Flirting, Rubi Rose's PERFECT man | Nightcap

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Nightcap Podcast Summary

Episode: BEST of RELATIONSHIPS Part 1: TOP FIRST Date Spots, KEYS to Flirting, Rubi Rose's PERFECT man
Air Date: July 24, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson
Network: Shay Shay Media & Playmaker

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Episode Overview

This relationship special features NFL legends Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson reflecting on first date culture, shifting dating standards, the art of flirting, and the sometimes wild requirements on the modern dating scene (including Rubi Rose's now-infamous "perfect man" criteria). Blending humor, personal stories, and sharp insights, Shannon and Ocho candidly discuss what makes for a great first date, the pitfalls of dating expectations, double standards, and their best techniques for catching and keeping a partner in today’s world.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. The Viral List of First Date "No-Go's" (03:52–09:09)

• Topic Intro: Shannon brings up a viral list of 28 places women refuse to go for a first date, kicking off a debate about changing expectations.
• List Highlights: Cheesecake Factory, Applebee's, Olive Garden, the movies, chain restaurants, sports events, family functions, etc., are all on the blacklist.
• Reactions:
  • Shannon: "Where can we take you? ... Those are places they don't want to go." (05:20)
  • Ocho: "That list is for the dudes that she really doesn't like... If it's the dude she do, it don't matter what we do." (05:42)
• Insight: Both agree that if a woman is genuinely interested, location is secondary; the connection is what makes the date, not the venue.

Memorable Quote

• "If she really into you and she really like you, bro, it don't matter where y'all go, what y'all doing. She gonna be in tune for sure." – Shannon (09:10)

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2. "Setting the Standard" and Dating Games (06:50–09:17)

• Ocho's Take: He critiques men who set unsustainable high standards early on just to impress.
  • "They go above and beyond just to reach their end goal faster ... after a few months, all that shit tapers off." (07:47)
• Honesty in Dating: Ocho admits to being upfront and "cheap," so if someone stays, she truly likes him.

Notable Moment

• Ocho: "If you see someone actually dealing with me, willing to deal with me, they actually like me ... you ain't really getting nothing up out of me, honestly. Except maybe a child." (09:17)

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3. Creative Dates & Activities > Expensive Restaurants (12:25–16:24)

• Better First Date Ideas: Both trash cliché fancy dinners and advocate for activity-based, fun experiences (bowling, mini-golf, skydiving).
  • Ocho: “Do fun stuff ... activities outside instead of doing the normal, going to nice restaurants, putting on outfits, trying to look good, trying to impress each other.” (13:34)
• Bowling Bragging Rights: An extended, playful debate about their bowling skills.

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4. The "T" App & Social Media Exposés (18:54–20:10)

• New Landscape: Discussion of the T app, where women post anonymous reviews of men, leading to real-life consequences (e.g., divorces).
  • Shannon: “What might have remained private suspicion is now amplified when allegations are shared publicly ... the outside pressure changes how people react.” (19:54)
  • Ocho: Sometimes you need to know—women sharing info can protect each other.

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5. Rubi Rose’s $5 Million Man Requirement (26:50–34:56)

• The Standard: Rubi Rose claims her perfect man earns at least $5 million.
  • Ocho: "It's a little steep ... that pool of men is quite small, but as long as you understand what comes with that." (27:23)
  • Shannon: “At least she already told you what she about, so she's under no pretenses.” (28:10)
  • Double Standards: Shannon questions why women can set high standards, but if men do, they're considered shallow.
  • Ocho: "That's the beauty of life as men and women, we can have prerequisites ... the chances of finding some of the things that people require is slim to none. But...shoot for the stars." (29:48)

Memorable Quotes

• "Not $5 million fine. I've seen women finer... that's just me personally." – Shannon, about Rubi Rose (28:40)
• "Women can say I want somebody six foot tall ... Shannon says he don't want a woman to pass gas ... that's why you're single!" – Shannon (30:18–30:33)
• "Double standard." – Ocho (32:58)

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6. Power Dynamics & Control in High-Income Relationships (33:23–35:38)

• Power Shift: Men with status may prefer partners with less financial independence ("they enjoy that ... puts them in positions of power").
• Work-Life Reality: Women who make $10M aren't likely to shift to traditional domestic roles; both hosts acknowledge the reality of career-driven women.

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7. Life Changes, Physical & Emotional (36:33–39:31)

• Post-Surgery ‘Glow-Ups’: Story of a woman who left her husband after a nose job and "discovering her worth."
  • Ocho: Warns of chasing external validation—"you think it's better somewhere else, but you leave your loving husband, your solid foundation ... and it's not always peaches and cream." (37:51)
  • Shannon: Offers cautionary stories from friends who gave up "good women" chasing novelty.

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8. The Search for Perfection & Accepting ‘Enough’ (54:08–59:26)

• The Myth of The Perfect Partner: Both hosts admit to having unrealistic expectations in past relationships.
  • Shannon: "It took me 57 years to realize there is no such thing as perfection, although we constantly try to achieve it." (54:50)
  • Ocho: Encourages accepting that “enough” is sufficient for a healthy partnership.

Notable Moment

• "She had the perfect build, perfect ... bro, you not gonna find all that in one." – Shannon (54:20)
• "You gotta accept that, Ocho." – Shannon, on aging and changing physical standards (57:59)

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9. Flirting & Keys to Confidence (69:04–74:49)

• Confidence Is King: On and off the field, the hosts stress that confidence and boldness matter most in flirting and dating.
  • Ocho: “I got so much in my little toolbox because I talk a lot... I'm not shy, I'm very... I approach anybody, any setting. Doesn’t matter where we at.” (72:41)
• Ocho's Flirting Playbook:
  • Be bold—approach the whole table if necessary.
  • Start with humor (“I’m gonna start off with a joke.”)
  • Use creative tactics, e.g., “Can I use your phone to call my mom?” but really to get her number (74:09).

Memorable Quote

• "It's not what you say, it's how you say it... Delivery is important." – Ocho (71:42)

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10. Changing Circles, Trust, and Loyalty (62:54–68:42)

• Trust After Betrayal: Shannon shares recent experiences with betrayal and how tough times reveal true friends.
  • Shannon: "The more people you become involved with, the more stories there is to be told. Circle got to be crazy small." (63:54)
  • Both praise colleagues and close friends who remained loyal during public trials.

Notable Shoutout

• "Stephen A. has called me and been there every step of the way." – Shannon (66:51)

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Timestamps – Notable Segments

• Viral Date List & Standards: 03:52–09:17
• High Standards & Gender Double Standards: 26:50–34:56
• Activity-Based Dates vs. Fancy Dinners: 12:25–16:24
• Keys to Flirting & Confidence: 69:04–74:49
• Finding ‘Enough’ in Relationships: 54:08–59:26
• Trust & Loyalty After Betrayal: 62:54–68:42

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Notable Quotes

"If she really into you and she really like you, bro, it don't matter where y'all go, what y'all doing. She gonna be in tune for sure."
– Shannon (09:10)

"That's the beauty of life as men and women, we can have prerequisites ... chances of finding what you want is slim to none. But shoot for the highest you can."
– Ocho (29:48)

"It took me 57 years to realize there is no such thing as perfection, although we constantly try to achieve it."
– Shannon (54:50)

"It's not what you say, it's how you say it... Delivery is important."
– Ocho (71:42)

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Tone & Style

• Candid, humorous, and unfiltered: Shannon and Ocho keep the conversation real, often poking fun at themselves and cultural norms.
• Relatable and insightful: Both share personal stories of love, loss, and lessons learned.

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Summary

This episode delivers sharp, often hilarious commentary on the modern dating scene, challenging viral "standards," and busting myths about money, perfection, and gender roles. Shannon and Ocho offer grounded, time-tested wisdom about what really matters in relationships: authenticity, connection, honest effort, and the confidence to laugh, learn, and keep showing up—even after strikeouts. The episode highlights how, regardless of how trends change, being real, being yourself, and having the guts to approach love with an open mind—and strong delivery—never goes out of style.

Transcript

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[Shannon]

Hello, it's your favorite sports funk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you, so please subscribe or you're gonna make Ocho cry. A Viral list of 28 places women refuse to go on the first date has sparked a major debate online. Ocho. The list quickly gained traction as people argue over what qualifies and as an acceptable first impression spot. The debate reflects on shifting dating standards among younger generations, with many women emphasizing effort, creativity and intentions over convenience and affordability. People pointing out the first date often sets the tone for how serious or respectful someone is about pursuing a relationship. While many agreed that casual chain restaurants aren't ideal, others defended them as comfortable and affordable options, especially in today's high cost economy. Ocho. There they go. There's the list.

[Ocho]

God damn.

[Commercial Narrator]

Hold on.

[Ocho]

I know. Ass.

[Shannon]

That's one thing I can't really I can see it, but I can't zoom in on it. Cheesecake Factory, Applebee's, Chipotle Olive Garden, the movies, your house, any fast food chain, Buffalo Wild Wings, Wingstop, Red Lobster, a buffet, ihop, Denny's, the gym, church, y' all going to hell. Starbucks, coffee day, ice cream dates, family functions, movie night, Netflix, Hulu, etc. Somewhere that requires a long drive. Bowling, nightclub, hookah bars. A bar just for drinks, Waffle house, sports events. Damn. Where can we take you? He's saying, hold on. Those are places that they don't want to go. They don't on the first date.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Unc. Joe. And this for the people in the chat. The none of this matters. That list is cool. That list is for the dudes. That list is for the dudes that she really doesn't like. Well, I don't like you, so I' ma set a certain set of that

[Shannon]

I know you can't get, that you

[Ocho]

can't break, but if it's the dude that I do it.

[Shannon]

No matter what we doing, it don't

[Ocho]

matter what we do.

[Shannon]

Drive around the city. Yeah. Oh, Joe, you know, God, From a country town, Joe, you pick your girl up and you just drive around the city. Yeah, yeah. You sit up by you. I had a pickup truck. She sit up under you. We drive around to the stoplight. You know, we go to the Dairy Queen or some Hardee's or something like that. Maybe grab a movie. Ocho, right? Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Unc. When I see stuff like this, man, I. I laugh, man. I laugh because there's certain women that can pull stuff off like this, Telling curtains, telling certain type of men where they won't go and what they won't do until a certain type of caliber of man comes along, and then it's okay.

[Shannon]

You go into all these spots, like me and Ocho going, hey, man, listen.

[Ocho]

Everything they name, that's stuff that I actually do. That's the stuff that I actually do. Joe. I don't meet people and try to set a precedent of, oh, this is how. It's not gonna be like that. That's not the way.

[Shannon]

Because you're gonna have to keep it up. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Being that there. There are so many dudes, There are so many, whether they have it or not, that set the standard in and move like that. They move like this right away, as if that's how it's going to be all the time, just to get they want, obviously. Joe. Come on now, Chad. Let's just be honest. For the men. They set the standard and they shoot high purposely to her to get to their end goal fast.

[Shannon]

Speed of the. They speed up the process.

[Ocho]

Ocho trying to speed up the process. So they show Off. They do all this stuff in the beginning, going crazy. They take you to Chris Ruth and tks, all these restaurants. They go above and beyond, Joe. They go above and beyond just to reach their end goal faster. You know, after. You know, after a few months, all that shit tapers off and the cycle repeats itself.

[Shannon]

Hey, look, hold on, hold on. Let me ask y' all this. Hold on. On the first date, you taking somebody to a family function on the first. Not the first. Cause that's what they got, number 20. I mean, guys do that. Y' all take somebody on the family function. It depends on what type of family functioning. Like, you know, you know. No, you can't go around the fact. Not the first time, Joe. I'm saying what if, what if, what if. What if you got some family members and y' all doing like a little bowling joint, you know what I mean? You tell her, no, she can't come around the family. Cause what if she don't come back around, man? Hey. And you bring somebody else. Hey, what a girl you saw. I saw you with the other time, Joe. Not what.

[Ocho]

And that's exactly family.

[Shannon]

Now, I ain't gonna bring around Mama. I ain't gonna bring around Mama. I ain't gonna bring around Mama. You know what I mean? But you know my cousins and uncles, if we outdo us, y' all come hang out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a no go for you. No. Hey, ojo. But I agree with you.

[Commercial Narrator]

If she.

[Shannon]

If she really into you and she really like you, bro, it don't matter where y' all go, what y' all doing. She gonna be in tune for sure.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. Let me tell you something, Joe boy. I ain't never. Me, personally, I ain't never really had no problem. And you know how I am, Joe. I'm not trying to impress you. I take you to the finest of nothing. So if we dealing, if we rocking like you really rocking with me, that mean you really like me. Because I'm known for being financially savvy. I'm known for being cheap. So if you see someone actually dealing with me, willing to deal with me, they actually like me, you don't got. You don't have a choice. Because you ain't really getting nothing up out of me, honestly. Except maybe a child.

[Shannon]

Oh, Lord have mercy, Jesus.

[Ocho]

You know, that's about it now. That's something. I, I, you know, I commit to that.

[Shannon]

So you out of bubblegum, huh? I heard.

[Ocho]

Yeah, man, all that, all these nice restaurants and all this other Stuff, you know, I'm not investing no money in that. What we talking about?

[Shannon]

I remember the first time I went to Cheesecake Factory. I ain't getting nothing to cheesecake. Really?

[Ocho]

You for real?

[Shannon]

Yeah. Hell, I thought the Cheesecake Factory. I was. Hey, I just got the cheesecake.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. Cheesecake got they pasta. That's what it's called.

[Shannon]

I don't know. God, I haven't eaten a Cheesecake Factory. Probably 30. Damn, it's always crowded. You ain't lying. Cheesecake Factory, it be busting Joe. If I'm not mistaken, it's at Lennox Mall now, you remember. It used to be on Peace Street. Yeah, yeah, they still. They got one at Linux and they got one over at Perimeter. Oh, yeah, Yeah, y'. All. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Now, I ain't gonna lie.

[Commercial Narrator]

Nice.

[Shannon]

It's. They jumping in there. It's gonna be. I can't, I can't, I can't. I can't wait that. I can't wait that long to eat. I can't, I can't. Yeah, I can't. I like to. Look, if you tell me. If you tell me if I make a reservation for 8 o', clock, I'm gonna be there 7:55. Between 7:55 and 7:57, I'm gonna want to eat. I'm gonna want to sit down at the table no later than 802. Don't. Hey, Mr. Sharp, you know, we. You know, your table will be ready shortly. Cause, hey, I like to sit down. Hey, Mr. Sharp, would you like to rate for your rest of your party? No, sir. I like to sit down. Andre Jordan tell you, I go. We go somewhere with the kids. When I go home, and the kids, they're like, Mr. Sharp, would you like to wait for the entire party to arrive? I said, no, I would like to sit down. Yeah. Hey. Hey. I said, can you bring some bread? I already got bread. I already got. But I already got cranberry ginger ale like. Daddy. What? You know what time it was? Ain't like I changed the time on y'.

[Angela Yee]

All.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Say it ain't gonna slow you down. Nope. But I. I get the family functions, okay? Church. I mean, the first date at church. Yeah. But, hey, I don't know. I mean, I didn't know that was. I mean, I've heard of some. Some first dates, you know, go. We go skydiving, we go rock, you know, wall climbing. We do something.

[Ocho]

Oh, hey, now we talking. Did you hear what you just said?

[Shannon]

Ain't no way those are the type

[Ocho]

of dates you need to go on when you first meet somebody, stuff where you do activities.

[Shannon]

Man, ain't nobody. First of all. Ain't nobody. Ain't.

[Commercial Narrator]

No.

[Shannon]

No. I don't know. Look, that wasn't my first choice. I did skydiving, Joe, because when I went to the Broncos Ring of Honor, they was like, you know, we got this idea. I was like, what's the idea? They was like, we were thinking about, if you were amenable to it, would you be willing to jump out of a plane? I'm like, huh? They're like, yeah, we'd like for you to, you know, parachute into the stadium as they signed your boy up. You did your boy up. I did it. Yeah.

[Ocho]

That's dope.

[Commercial Narrator]

That's dope.

[Ocho]

But, hey, hey, unk. I think people need to. People need to look more into that or doing activities outside instead of doing the normal. Going to nice restaurants, putting on outfits, trying to look good, trying to impress each other. Nah, man. Do fun stuff.

[Shannon]

Can you bowl, Ocho? Can you bowl?

[Ocho]

Yeah, but can I bowl? What you mean, can I bowl, Joe?

[Shannon]

You could bow. Okay.

[Ocho]

I just bowled a 280 today, Joe.

[Shannon]

It ain't many things I can't do. I'm just gonna keep it real. Don't sleep with your boy.

[Ocho]

There you go.

[Shannon]

Hey, but, hey, Norm duke, Walter Williams Jr. Beat him, man. Stop it.

[Ocho]

Hey, yo, I got. I got my own bowling ball.

[Shannon]

I've got about three or four of them bowling balls.

[Ocho]

I only got one. I only got room for one.

[Shannon]

I got shoes and everything. I gotta buy the whole two balls. I gotta bag the whole one. I got shoes, got all that. Got me a little kit. Hey, you gotta be like that if you got all that. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Don't listen, uncle. The type that he's like, when he talk about bowling and how good he is, he like the dude that go on the basketball court. They have on the full Jordan outfit.

[Shannon]

Okay?

[Ocho]

Yeah. Ask Chris Paul. Hey, ask Chris Paul what I did to him on that bowling alley.

[Shannon]

What's your average? What's your average, Ojo?

[Ocho]

Honestly? Probably. Probably. Probably. Probably. Probably about 250. Probably 250.

[Shannon]

No. Yeah, I'm gonna be hon there. On average.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it is. You know. You know how hard it is to go 300? What? That's hard.

[Shannon]

Yeah. See? See the me fact that he said 300 and not a perfect game? That's what. You know, he ain't. That's why we know he don't know what he talking About Joe, but go ahead.

[Ocho]

How you gonna tell me?

[Commercial Narrator]

I.

[Ocho]

This my lingo. I don't have to say. I don't have to speak like them. I speak like.

[Shannon]

Do you know how hard it is to bowl a 300 that's a perfect game? Yeah, we know how hard it is to bow a perfect game.

[Ocho]

I said I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't say perfect game because it's not a perfect game.

[Shannon]

Let me ask you a question. How many strikes. How many strike is a perfect game?

[Pharmaceutical/Health Advertiser]

10.

[Shannon]

What you mean, he don't know what he talking about? 12, 10. 12, 10.

[Ocho]

Hold on.

[Shannon]

You bought a perfect game? You ain't bow no perfect game?

[Ocho]

Hell, no.

[Shannon]

I'm saying, I'm like. I mean, I got. I'm like somewhere between like 175 and 200. Yeah, for that. God damn. I'm keeping it. I'mma keep it real with you. I'm about. I'm. I'm between 150 by 150. 180.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, both. Hey, y' all need to hang it up, man. When it come to, I don't know

[Shannon]

what to believe with you no more. I'm be honest with you. First, you told me no more with me, bro.

[Ocho]

Hey, it. It ain't. Listen, everything I do, right, everything I say, I have evidence to back it up.

[Shannon]

You right? Absolutely.

[Ocho]

There you go. But you talk about pool.

[Shannon]

Joe, Joe. Will you do me a favor, Joe, can you google how many strikes you need to bowl for a perfect game of 300? Now, a man that bowled that average of 250 would know this. Hold on. I already knew what it was. My mom used to bowl all the time. It says 12. You gotta get a strike the first nine frames in order for you to have a chance. And then you gotta get three bonus frames. What? Three? Let me ask you a question, Ocho. What's three consecutive strikes called? He don't know that. He don't know that.

[Ocho]

Three.

[Shannon]

Three consecutive strikes. Gobble, gobble. That's what I noted.

[Ocho]

What is it?

[Shannon]

Yeah. Turkey. It's called a turkey.

[Ocho]

I ain't no bowler.

[Shannon]

You say what?

[Ocho]

Hey, I mean, he asking me, what's three consecutive strike call.

[Shannon]

I'm not a bowler.

[Ocho]

I just know how to bowler.

[Shannon]

Basically what he's saying is if you. If you averaging 250, you don't have all the.

[Ocho]

No, you don't have to.

[Shannon]

Yes, you do.

[Ocho]

Why?

[Shannon]

Because that means you are a serious bowler.

[Ocho]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Shannon]

That's why I know you ain't bought no 250.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. I'm a pool shark. Does that mean I know everything there is about pool? I'm one of the better ping pong players in the world. Does that mean I know everything there is about ping pong?

[Shannon]

This is basic. This is not. This is not. No, no, in depth. This is basic. Hold on, hold on.

[Ocho]

Nothing. I. This is me.

[Shannon]

Check this out. A Michigan attorney says he has 12 new divorce cases this month linked to the T app. A Dearborn lawyer says women only social apps that lets their users anonymously share details about men is driving a surge in local divorce. Marketed as the dating safety app for women, T allows users to post names, photos, messages about men they've encountered. In some cases, these posts have revealed infidelity to unsuspecting spouses and family members. He said that might be once. He said that what might remained private. Suspicious is now amplified when allegations are shared publicly. Now it's just, you know, who knows? Your family knows, your friend knows, the whole community knows. The outside pressure changes how people react. What did that Tear up? Doing a number, ain't it? I heard it got one out for women too. That's that. That's. That's it. I mean, for me. For men. Oh, dude. Oh, yeah. I don't do damn but oo. I mean, to put that kind of information out,

[Ocho]

sometimes. Sometimes you need to know. Sometimes. Sometimes. Man, all that. All these nice restaurants and all this other stuff, you know, I'm not investing no money in that. What we talking about?

[Shannon]

I remember first time I went to Cheesecake Factory. I ain't getting up with the cheesecake. Really?

[Ocho]

You for really?

[Shannon]

Yeah. Hell, I thought the Cheesecake Factory. I just got the cheesecake.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. Cheesecake got. They. They pasta. That what it's called?

[Shannon]

I don't know. God, I haven't eaten the Cheesecake Factory probably 30. Damn, it's always crowded. You ain't lying. Cheesecake Factory, it be busting Joe. If I'm not mistaken, it's at Lenox Mall now. You remember. It used to be on Peace Street. Yeah, yeah. They still. They got one at Lennox and they got one over at Perimeter. Oh, yeah, Yeah, y'. All. Yeah. No. Oh, yeah. No, I ain't gonna lie.

[Commercial Narrator]

Nice.

[Shannon]

It's. They jumping in there. It's gonna be. I can't, I can't, I can't. I can't wait that. I can't wait that long to eat. I can't, I can't. Yeah, I can't I like to look if you tell me, if you tell me if I make a reservation for 8 o', clock, I'm gonna be there 7:55. Between 7:55 and 7:57 I'm gonna want to eat, I'm gonna want to sit down at the table no later than 802. Don't hey Mr. Sharp, you know we, you know your table will be ready shortly. Cause hey, I like to sit down. Hey Mr. Sharp, would you like to rate for the rest of your party? No sir, I like to sit down. Andre Jordan tell you I go go go somewhere with the kids when I go home and the kids they're like Mr. Sharp, would you like to wait for the entire party to arrive? I said no, I would like to sit down. Yeah. Hey I hey, I said can you bring some bread? I already got bread. I already got. But I already got cranberry ginger ale like daddy. What you know what time it was? Ain't like I changed the time on y'.

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[Shannon]

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[Angela Yee]

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[Shannon]

Yeah, say it ain't gonna slow you down. Nope. Ruby Rose said you need to make $5 million a year to date her.

[Ocho]

For. For content purposes. Because that. That's. That's what this is for content purposes. I mean, that. That's. That's. Everyone can, can, can, can, can have their dreams and aspirations. Everyone can have their. What's. What's the word I'm looking for their prerequisites on what's required to date them. So I'm. I'm not gonna. Not. I'm not knocking her prerequisites now. It's a little steep. Based on the individuals that have 5 million that make 5 million or more a year, that. That pool of 1 percentage you have to choose from. You know, I mean, that's cool. That's cool. As long as you understand what comes with that.

[Shannon]

Well, at least. At least she already told you what she about, so she's under no pretenses. I. Look, it's just as easy to date a rich man. It is a poor one. And if you're giving a choice, hey, she said, I won't take the rich one, but you know what you got. You know what? She already told you what she.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon]

All right. Meal.

[Ocho]

I like it.

[Shannon]

So let me ask you a question. Ocho.

[Ocho]

Ruby Rose. She cute? She cute, huh? She's fine. Huh?

[Shannon]

Not $5 million fine. You don't think I've seen. I've seen women. I've seen women finer. I've seen women look better. That's just me personally.

[Ocho]

Right, right, right. Okay.

[Commercial Narrator]

Okay.

[Shannon]

Hell, I was just. Hey, it's Houston. I saw 10 of them.

[Ocho]

Oh, my God.

[Shannon]

I know. Three for sure.

[Ocho]

Do me a favor. Don't. Don't mention Houston.

[Shannon]

You know what?

[Ocho]

You're right. You're right.

[Shannon]

My bad.

[Ocho]

I've been focused. I've been focused. I've been disciplined. I don't. Don't. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. But yeah, I think. I think at some point she was dating Drusky Drew Ski.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah, very. I mean, obviously, she's. She's. She's gorgeous.

[Shannon]

So.

[Ocho]

So she's gorgeous.

[Shannon]

So I would do that. That's what I would do in order for. Order for uncle to date you. I'm gonna need you. I'm Gonna need you to make at least 10 million a year.

[Ocho]

Damn. How many women on earth are making.

[Shannon]

I'm telling you what my standard is, okay? What the fudge that got to do with me? Hey, if she could. If she could say she wants somebody that make 5 million, why can't we, right?

[Ocho]

Listen. And that's the beauty of life, too. That's the beauty of life as men. As women, we can have prerequisites and have certain standards and abide by them and boundaries, whatever it may be, I want my man to have a, B, C, and I want my woman to have a, B and C. And if they don't meet those standards, I'm going to keep it moving. Now, the chances of finding some of the things that people require is slim to none. But if you're going to shoot for the. If you're going to shoot for the moon, or if you're going to shoot for the stars and then fall short and land on the moon, so be it.

[Shannon]

But here, you know, I like. But here's the thing, though, Ocho. You see how women can have standards. Women can say, I want somebody six foot tall. I want somebody to make X amount of dollars. I want somebody that has a degree. I want somebody that's well read and likes to travel.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Shannon said. Shannon says, oh, he don't want a woman to pass gas, Right? That's why you're single. You see, now, women just listed off 5, 10 things. What they want, that ain't what they single. But hey, I said, I don't want no woman to pass gas around me. I want a woman, she go to the bathroom. I don't need to know. Close the door. Oh, that. I can see why, Unc. Single women tell you all the things they want. The first thing a man says, they'll say, you know what? I want a woman that's about five, 10. I wanted to have her natural hair. I wanted to have everything natural. He's so shallow. Ah, a man. A man tell you what he want, he's shallow. Women go out there and tell you everything. I want this, this, this and this. Hey, hey. I don't believe you, baby. Don't settle. Don't settle.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but a man supposed to sell.

[Shannon]

But women never supposed to sell that, man. Y' all better miss me.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, it's. It's an ongoing battle. It's an ongoing battle of the sexes. And what we want, what we require, There's a lot of delusion in it as well. It's. I like it. I like it. Whatever you believe in, whatever your standards may be, go for it. Go for it. Again, like I say, shoot. Shoot for the highest, the highest you can. The chances of you, you getting, you know, what you're actually shooting for is slim to none. But hope and believe that one day you may achieve it.

[Shannon]

But I mean, I'm saying Ocho, I don't, I don't care. I don't care what race you date. I don't care whatever the case may be. But it seems to be jaded for one side that a women gets to have all these prerequisite that they require from a man. But the moment a man says this, oh, he's shallow. Oh, he's this, he's that. Why can't I say I want this out of a woman?

[Ocho]

Right?

[Shannon]

Like women say they want this from a man.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

That's all I'm asking. I don't care what you date, I don't care who you date. But I'm just asking, why can't men have standards like women? We're supposed to take what, anything. We supposed to take anything that wink at us and a lay down. Hey, you better be Glad, Shadow, you're 57. I don't give a damn if I'm 87. Yeah, you ain't fit to put no stipulations on me.

[Ocho]

Double standard.

[Shannon]

Come on, man.

[Ocho]

Depending on who you ask, that's a, that's a great, that's a great topic. That's a great conversation.

[Shannon]

Hey, if she, if five, if a hundred thousand, whatever the case may be, most of the time, men don't say, oh, she needs to make this okay, you treat me good, okay, Blah, blah, blah. You know, I think.

[Ocho]

And, but, but also you got to think about this too. Men that make that kind of money, men that make that kind of meaning, 5 million and more, they like dealing with women that don't have as much or really don't need them because they don't want to deal with women that need that, that don't need them. They want to deal with women that need them. That puts them in positions of power where they're able to control what you can and can't do. So they, they, they, they enjoy that. And most women, I don't think they, they understand when you deal with these men that have that kind of money that are taking care of you and doing everything for you, you, hey, there's really no freedom. But because you make, you make one mistake, the chance of getting that again.

[Shannon]

Why don't you.

[Ocho]

It's slim. To none.

[Shannon]

You got to be careful reason why men. Because a woman that makes that kind of money, she don't have that kind of time to devote to a man that's making that kind of money, man.

[Ocho]

Anyway.

[Shannon]

So women that don't make that money, the man is expect at their beck and call. If a woman make that right, she's working just as hard as a man that's making that.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

So that's why you don't see a lot. A lot of times, a lot. Sometimes not all. But I'm talking about, like, movie stars. You know, the saying is, you know, why movie stars? Because the other know what it's like to live in that world, but more when you start seeing men. Okay, you make a million, you make 2 million. You make 5, you make 10, you make 20. Do you understand what is required of a woman to make that kind of a salary?

[Ocho]

Yeah, it's different.

[Shannon]

She ain't finna be cooking. Coming home and cooking for you. She ain't gonna be no bro. Come on, now.

[Ocho]

It's different.

[Shannon]

So you have to understand, okay, I want somebody that's gonna, you know, be the mother of my kids. I want somebody that's gonna stay home and take care of the house. Woman is making 10 million. I don't believe she giving that up, Ocho. She don't work too hard to be put in that position. I'm just. I'm just saying I could be wrong, but it's hard. It's hard.

[Ocho]

You're not wrong.

[Shannon]

You.

[Ocho]

You're. You're not. You're not wrong. Because y' all understand. A woman that's making $10 million a year, that's a plan that's been thought out strategy her whole life years in advance. Her whole life. And you. She's not messing that up. No, that's. That's. That's. That wasn't a mistake. Yeah, that was not a mistake.

[Shannon]

So it's. It's. Man, these women, and they got real bold with it, but it is what it is.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, but listen. Eliminates gray area. It eliminates gray area, and it eliminates games. Now, what it does do, it makes a percentage of the type of man that they can date. It shrinks the pool very, very, very, very, very small. I want a man that makes $5 million. Well, I know one thing. All the men, they make $5 million or more. I mean, well, the chance. I mean, you got to wait to turn to come off the bench. That's about it. You ain't gonna be the only one, but he does make $5 million. I mean, you know, they get, they get to pick from the, they get the pick from the pond on who they, on who they want to deal with that. Hey listen, that Pacific Day, you understand what that comes with now? I, I mean, listen, some, sometimes women don't care as long as they got it. Hey, but it, but it is what it is.

[Shannon]

Ocho is being reported. A woman divorces her husband after eleven thousand dollar nose job and discovered her worth. It changed my life. I have a lot of time to recover after the nose job. And it made me think I need to really get her to get the divorce so I can move on with my life.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, there's certain things that happen for women in life. They come into some money, they get things done to enhance their body, their appearance and then they start getting attention from others, the type of attention that they never got before. And most of the time it fools you when you get attention from others before. Especially not only when you're married. You have somebody that actually loves you. You have somebody that loves you. You build a foundation with them and it's different as opposed from the lust that you get from others that you understand. They just, they just want to hit different.

[Shannon]

Ocho, I hate I. It's different when you home and your girl and your girl said hey Ocho, you look good today. Now you go out with your boys like damn.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, that's boy. You see it all, you see it

[Shannon]

all the time coming from a different mouth. And you hear it.

[Ocho]

If it'll fool you every time. It will. It will fool it.

[Shannon]

Absolutely.

[Ocho]

Would it? It, it will. And, and stuff like that happens. It happens all the time. It happens all the time. You go from. And I listen I, I love that line. I like happens to a lot of women all the time because they allow the outside, the outside voices to get to them because it's new. Yes, all the time. And you, you leave. You know, women leave relationships with guys where they have a solid foundation where things are going well. And most of the time they have these beliefs and thinking everything's going to be peaches and cream when it doesn't work that way. And the outside voices have you going for the main attraction to now you just another number on a dude roster because you think the grass is green on the other side or somewhere else. And it happens like there's countless stories of this happening over and over and over and over. It's, it's ridiculous. Especially this one story here. Oh, I got my known Job. Now I'm getting all type of attention that I never got before, and I think it might be better somewhere else. But you leave your loving husband, your solid foundation, someone. Someone where you got stability, and you think it's better elsewhere, man. Man,

[Shannon]

And I'm great at giving advice. I just don't take. I. Sometimes I don't even take my own damn advice. And that's why I need my ass kicked. I told my homeboy. My homeboy had. My homeboy had this girl, man. Amazing. Yeah, she cook clean. I'm talking about. Yeah, this a. I need $500. She might have 400. She gonna give him the 400 and go borrow the other 100 to make sure he get it.

[Ocho]

Oh, come on, now.

[Shannon]

Just do. I said, man, don't do that. I said, you got a good girl. I said, man, she great. They end up getting married. I mean, she was great.

[Ocho]

Hey.

[Shannon]

Oo, ooh. Oo. And this dude. I mean, he like. He like. He like, dog. It's just something about that newness. The new one. They. She knew this. This one new. I said. I said, bro, your wife gonna be new to another ninja.

[Ocho]

Ah.

[Shannon]

I said, bro, I'm telling you.

[Ocho]

Yeah. They still. They still together? Yeah. Hey, one thing about it. One thing about it. You never. You never know what you got until you don't.

[Shannon]

I'll be the outro.

[Ocho]

You never listen, you know, you never know what you got until it's gone. You never. You never do. I. I've never. You know what's funny is I've been in the game so long, I've been playing the game so long is I know when I'm always right. I never missed. I never missed. Never.

[Shannon]

All I'm saying, look here. If all of a sudden your lady start working out, she working out for somebody else to see her naked.

[Ocho]

That's. Hey, that's. That's a beautiful thing right there. That's a beautiful thing, too.

[Shannon]

I'm just.

[Ocho]

Not only. She work. Hey, listen, not only is she working out for somebody else to see her naked, that means he get to take the. He get to take her off the books. You know, when I. You know, when the team. The team, they want. You know what? You know, we don't see you putting in the same type of production as you used to, so we gonna have to ask you to take a pay cut if you don't. Well, you know, I ain't taking no pay cut. All right, well, we're gonna have to release you. You know what it feels like For NFL team to move off from a player whose salary is 10 million a year or 20 million a year, and then you get that 20 or 10 million off your books. You know how much freedom that is? So can you imagine you having a woman who's working out all of a sudden, out the blue, so another man can see her naked? That means he gets to take on that responsibility and those expenses and those bills and that headache. That's a great, that's a great thing. I'm not sure why. Many times, see, when things end as, oh, my God, I want to chase behind her or I love her, man. What are you talking about, bro? What are you talking about? Who chases after an expense that doesn't even want to be with you anymore? I, I understand love and all that. Think about it. Why am I chasing after another expense or whoever it is that you in love with? If things aren't working out, what are you, what exactly are you chasing? What value is she bringing to the table? To or for you?

[Shannon]

I mean, if she got, I mean, look, it all, it all depends what you're looking for. If you, if you find, if you found a, if you found a woman, you found someone. She works. She has a job. She's working. She's bringing stuff to the table. She's helping you, you're helping her. Okay, that's, that's a great relationship. Now you find a woman, you say, babe, you can continue to work, but you don't have to if you don't want to. Because I need you to do X, Y and Z and these right here, right? And in the process, at home, I'm gonna make sure everything that you normally would have to cover, I'll cover it right now. Me. Okay.

[Ocho]

Boom.

[Shannon]

I understand that. She's like, well, nah, I kind of want my own thing because I don't want to be under control. Because if you control the money, a lot of times he who controls the money controls me.

[Ocho]

Every time, every.

[Shannon]

Just like the job, the job. Feel that they could teach you a certain type of way because they control the money. Now if you need the money, you're going to have to so that a lot of times she's like, I don't want to be in this situation because I don't want you to have that level of control. Okay, fine. Yeah, fine. But it's just like, I just hate, I just hate these conversations, like, because it's so one sided. Yeah, it's so one sided because I get. Let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, I have a kid with somebody.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Now, okay, she's loving me, she's cooking for me, she's providing. You know, she's doing what a woman could do. Okay, I'm doing for her. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Shannon]

But what happens? She leave. See, the state will require me to do all the things that I was doing before. They'll. Matt, they'll. They'll require me. She don't have to do nothing.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

She don't have to give me no more. Hoo ha. She don't have to see me no more. Stated. Required me to take care, do what I need to do. You see how one side of that is. Why wouldn't the state require her to do something for me? Hey, but you know what, Ocho? At this juncture of my life, I'm only going to be with who I want to be with. I don't care. I'm going to be with who I want to be.

[Ocho]

Listen, speaking. Speaking of junctures. Speaking of junctures in life, obviously at my big age or your big age, I'm in search of a life partner. Always have been. And when one thing doesn't work out, then you keep on moving and you stay in search of that life partner. I'm very intentional in all that I do and I say it all the time, especially those that I meet, you know, And I am looking for a wife and family dynamic. Now if I try one time and it doesn't work out, you don't stop. And that just goes with anything in life, you know, that goes with anything in life. And I. I like the fact that all the time especially we have these conversations where a lot. Where a lot of people can. Can relate. Sometimes things work out, sometimes. Sometimes things don't. But I. I hate people that, that, that give up on their dreams or aspirations or whatever. Whatever it may, whatever it may be. And the funny thing about it is, you know, shit, things happen in life, things in it does, but it doesn't have to stop there. It just.

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[Shannon]

Stop me.

[Ocho]

Hey, see, that's perfect. You see this? This is why I'm trying to get you a partner now. It's perfect. Right there. Them nights you can't sleep at night. Boom. Hey, honey, I wrote a poem for you. Hey, honey, let me write you a love letter.

[Shannon]

Hold on.

[Ocho]

Recite. Recite some. Recite some Shakespeare to you, to your girl.

[Shannon]

Hold on, hold on. I thought I'd say, he got somebody, say, gonna be married in two years. Yeah, yeah, you heard that joke?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Hey, just cause y' all don't see me, I'm listening and watching now, okay? Okay.

[Commercial Narrator]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe, you married? Hey, Joe, you married, huh?

[Shannon]

Close enough. I ain't married. Close enough.

[Ocho]

Okay, hold on. Stay with me.

[Shannon]

He just ain't got no paperwork.

[Ocho]

Listen, this is what we can do. We could all make this official and have a trifecta wedding.

[Shannon]

Hold on.

[Ocho]

Yeah, we can have a trifecta wedding.

[Shannon]

I'm official. I just ain't got no whistle. I'm good. Yeah, we back.

[Ocho]

We back.

[Shannon]

He probably watching. Yeah, okay.

[Commercial Narrator]

Okay.

[Shannon]

All right, I'm picking up, I'm picking up. What you putting down? I got you. Yeah, you see what I'm saying, Joe? Be knowing. Yes. You feel me now? Time to come on. It's time to come on.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon]

Come on.

[Ocho]

It's about that time.

[Shannon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

We not getting no younger.

[Shannon]

Nah.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, Joe, I tried to explain to. I say the older we get, the older we get, the chances of getting what we want. It becomes slim because what's available out there right now, don't. Nobody else won't, because that's why it's available. You hear me?

[Shannon]

You get a certain age, you know, hey, you get what you can, not what you want to. You know what I'm saying?

[Ocho]

Hey, the pickings is slim now.

[Shannon]

Hey, it's a tough time to be dating now, boy.

[Ocho]

Hey, yeah. Hey, boy, I'm. I weighed my white flag long time ago.

[Shannon]

I remember. But, hey, we always. Hey, we got back to school clothes. It was like a week before school. Everything have been picked over. Hey, it wasn't no early. We. The. Hey, we get the last two weeks, everything that been picked over. Everybody else that tried the jeans on or tried the shirt on, they had their feet in the shoe. That's where they came up. Because I remember when I was coming up, Joe, people be trying the shoes on just their bare foot.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

You ain't had no socks. You know, they. They just started you laughing. Oh, yo, I ain't lying. They. They, they. You people had their breath like, damn, hey, let me. Let me get them what he just had. But that was. That was back in the day, so. But I won't. Hey, it's time to come on in, Ocho. It's time to come on home, man.

[Ocho]

It just. It is what it is. And listen, I'm at fault, too. I'm at fault, too.

[Shannon]

Yeah, for sure.

[Ocho]

As I've gotten older, I've tried. I struck out, huh? I've tried, I've tried, I've struck out. But, you know, I'm back at the plate. That's the one thing I love about baseball, is at some point, as much as you strike out, you will get your opportunity to be at the plate again. And right now, boy, Uncle, I'm about to hit a home run.

[Shannon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Call me

[Shannon]

Joel. Tani.

[Ocho]

No, not. What's up, Aaron Judge no play for the Blue Jays.

[Shannon]

Oh, Vlad Guerrero Jr. I'm Guerrero Jr.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Shannon]

Yeah, that is. Hey, the thing was, you knew my problem was. Ocho talk to me. Looking for perfection.

[Ocho]

Oh, take your time.

[Shannon]

It ain't. That one was you. The perfect height, she was the perfect complexion.

[Ocho]

Come on.

[Shannon]

She had the perfect build. She had the perfect.

[Ocho]

Huh?

[Shannon]

Bro, you not gonna find all that in one. You just listen. I come to the realization I've got to. I gotta find a woman that have enough of the qualities that I'm looking for that I'm willing to overlook the ones that she don't have. It took me 57 years to realize that there is no such thing as perfection, although we constantly try to achieve it.

[Ocho]

Talk to him.

[Shannon]

So now I'm like, okay, that's enough. Right? You're enough.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Shannon]

You're tall enough. You fine enough. The complexion is enough. Everything is enough.

[Ocho]

Come on, now.

[Shannon]

And it took me a while to realize that because I'm like, I'm trying to be perfect. Hell, I want the perfect person. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

That's why I ate the way I ate. That's why I trained, because I was trying to be perfect. Shannon and my sister just say, shannon, you realize you're not gonna be perfect, right? You realize you, you flawed. You are flawed. I don't know why. We all are.

[Ocho]

We.

[Shannon]

Yeah, I mean, I'm like, listen, I,

[Ocho]

I, I, I, I would love, I would love to be a therapist. I would love to be a counselor for, for my sisters because they, they have expectations. And I love, I love people having expectations and, and having wants and needs and want requirements for people that they date to meet those qualifications. You hear me? What y' all laughing at?

[Shannon]

I'm listening, bro. Yeah, but here's the thing, though, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but, but, but say I want

[Shannon]

to hear this one.

[Ocho]

What are the chances if you ask a woman, Joe, if you ask a woman, what is she looking for in a man? You feel me? And she'll run down the list of all the qualities and all the requirements that's that she wants. And it's almost. It's a build a bear. It's not. It's not real. The expectations aren't realistic. So everyone is looking for this. This. Not, not imaginary. But you. You'll meet a guy that, That'll meet half of what you want. And. Oh, you know what? Nah, he ain't no good. No, he were.

[Commercial Narrator]

He, he.

[Ocho]

Where he work at Sears. Oh, he work at Macy's. I can't do nothing with that, Ocho.

[Shannon]

Yeah, the easiest thing you'll do is to get with a person. Getting with is the easy part. Staying is what's hard, man. Basketball came easy to Joe. Football came. You easy to you and I. But guess what we had to do. We had to practice. We had to study. We had to lift weights. We had to Train. All that goes towards work. Working. You see, everybody gets to the relationship, and then that's it. You've got to work every single day. Because the person that you met yesterday is not the person today. The person that you go to bed with tonight gonna wake up. And so now, instead of finding a reason to break up, Can I find a reason to stay? In the words of earth, wind and fire, Can I find a reason? Just one. Can I find one reason to stay?

[Ocho]

Reasons the reason that we love games

[Shannon]

been played all of our reason was a.

[Ocho]

Come on, now. Take your time.

[Shannon]

Right? So now it took me a while because I, I. Ocho, man, you age. Damn. Damn. Nah, Shannon, because at the end of the day, the way she looked today, she ain't gonna look like that 10 years from now. Hey, from 20 years from now. And that. And that. That booty that's up on the shoulders.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon]

It's gonna be down by knees. And you're gonna need to pick it up and walk with her, Walk behind her, the cat. Because you know what? If she walking in a silhouette that you can see now, when she get about 55, 60, it's gonna be dragging in the sand on the beach. You're gonna know what you. Hey, what my girl. Okay? I see a trail. You know what I'm saying? And you. You gotta accept that, Ocho. Yeah, because I really. You know what? I walked by the mirror the other day, and I was like, damn,

[Ocho]

I

[Shannon]

hate the same guy. No more, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Well, you. Hey, hold on. You lost it.

[Shannon]

Oh, Joe, I'm telling you, I used to. I used to pay. I used to compete in a boot from 25ft away. That's how your arc was, Ocho. Hey, I ain't that no more. What happened? Hey, you say you ain't got it like you used to. I ain't got it like I used to. I said, well, damn. I'm like, now, you know, I. I'm not terrible, right? But I'm looking at how I once was, right? And so if I were. If women were to judge me by what I used to be as opposed to what I currently am, right? I ain't gonna get nobody. I know. I used to. Hey, I walked around at 2. I walked around at 235 with 5% body fat, okay? 3%, 4% body fat for years, right?

[Ocho]

We let it.

[Shannon]

So I was like, you know what? I need to give people grace. Like, I'm asking people to give me grace. Hold on.

[Ocho]

What you saying? You fat now?

[Shannon]

No, he's not fat. Oh, no. Everybody, no stretch of the imagination.

[Ocho]

Okay, okay.

[Shannon]

Hey, hey. I'm saying his bounce back ain't like it used to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's bounce back, ain't it? Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Shannon]

I just said the baby arm ain't what it used to be. That's all I'm saying, Ocho. That's all. However, that's it. We ain't going no further. 26. 26. I will be back. Chat, stay with me till 26. My bad, Thanos. My baddles. Yeah, but you just. You have to come to the realization, man. And I've come to the realization that, hey, it is what it is. Hey, I ain't. I ain't 27. Ain't 37. Hey, just gotta keep kicking. Hey, I just put one foot. One foot, one foot in front of the other and just. Just keep. Just keep going forward.

[Ocho]

But we back. We all. We all the way. I love it.

[Shannon]

No, no, no, no. We're all the way back. But you better believe, 26. It's gonna be all the cracking. All right. That's what I'm talking about. I'm gonna be part of some of that cool stuff y' all got going. Yeah. You know the reason why y' all fell in love with Uncle Nightcap. 26. 26.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Angela Yee]

Two more months.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Y', all. Y' all know I got these jokes like, hey, I ain't in the joke telling business like. Like, quick, but I got some. But, man, this, man, you know, when you. You know what I'm saying? You know, you driving, you just spend a lot of time, you know, I have. I've had a lot of time to think. Because, you know, my grandmother used to say, boy, she said, you either walking into the storm, you end the storm, or you walking out of it. Yes, sir. He said, somebody. Everybody going through something, son.

[Ocho]

Come on now, boy.

[Shannon]

And when you in that storm, when you in the eye of the storm. The eye of the storm dropped down in New Orleans. Katrina. That was the eye. Yeah. Boy, you don't think. You don't know if it's ever, ever, like, when is this gonna be over? How much longer, man? Hello? Where do I go? When does it end? What did.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Hey, but I.

[Ocho]

The Adder storm could be.

[Shannon]

Ocho. I read a quote many, many years ago. It said, a lesson that's not learned in blood is destined to be repeated. I had a conversation with my brother probably about two months ago, and he called me, and I said, well, you know, he. Obviously, he knew what's going on? Because I called him and told him or heard a time, and then something else came out. And then something else came out. Then something else came out. Then ESPN came out. He said, shannon, there's a lesson in here somewhere for you to be going through what you're going through. There is a lesson. It's on you to figure it out. Yeah. I said, man, I sure wish I. He said, you know what? He said, no, that's not the. That's not the plan. He said, if you knew what it was, you would circumvent the lesson, right? He said, no, but you'll figure it out. Yeah. He said, you'll figure it out.

[Commercial Narrator]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And

[Shannon]

people, when y' all see me, I don't. I don't want y' all to have the wrong impression, but I'm just very guarded now. I'm very, very guarded. I was always on alert, but I'm on high alert because I really don't know who I can really trust because what I've seen over. Over the. Over the last six months, there are very few people that you can actually trust. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Come on, now.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Very, very, very few, man. And there are. There are people that said some things, and it's gotten back to me, but I was like, wow.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

And you had this conversation, Ocho, about being down, and then people feel like they can pile on.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

But I'm just very. I'm very. Matter of fact, I'm very. Hey, how you doing? It's nice to meet you. I'm going about. I'm. I'm on my way. Yeah, I'm on my way. Because I don't. I don't want people.

[Commercial Narrator]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

I had a conversation. And Chef. Because if you stay too long, Ocho, the more people. And this is what I had to learn. And somebody told me this. They say, shannon, the more people you become involved with, the more stories there is to be told. Circle got to be crazy small. The more people you're involved with, Shannon, the more stories there are to be told. Okay.

[Ocho]

I like that.

[Shannon]

I didn't know what was going to happen. I appreciate you, Ocho, because you're like, hey, when you text me, uncle, I'm with you.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Whatever we got to go through, we going through it. You ain't by yourself.

[Ocho]

To the wheels fall the off. You gave me the opportunity.

[Shannon]

There are so many people o. Joe and Joe, where I'm going, that used to call. That used to text.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

I ain't heard from him since this happened, but that's all right, though. That's all right, though, man.

[Ocho]

Please.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Keep it moving, baby. Maybe this is what. I don't wish this on anybody, but what it did do is it really showed me who's really, really there. Right. There are a lot of people on the Peripheral. When things were going well with. We were at the apex and getting invited to everything.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

I'm talking about. Ain't called. Ain't called. And I'm talking about. We were talking once a month, twice a month.

[Ocho]

Right. Are we gonna come back?

[Shannon]

But I see.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And then, you know, I think about two. Uncle Joe, you had to think about, you know, what you had to go through. You know, I've been in the eye of that storm too, now. Big time. In front of the world.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So I. I had to take my licks. I had. I had to.

[Shannon]

You got it. You gotta.

[Ocho]

And I had a. Joe, boy, them call stop ain't hurt nobody. My circle was always small, so my same. My same circle was right there, you know, to lift me up. But I already knew I was gonna sit for a minute.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

For a long time, Joe. I had a. It was quiet up for maybe six years.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Well, you know how long six. Six years is?

[Shannon]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

Nothing coming. No. No, nothing. You just. I'm.

[Shannon]

I'm.

[Ocho]

And then here we go. You give me an opportunity. You know why? Everything is.

[Commercial Narrator]

Is.

[Ocho]

Is back going motion. Is going. Is going good. Yeah. And then you think I had a nerve to jump ship just because you going through what I had to go through years ago.

[Shannon]

I know it.

[Ocho]

I know what it's like.

[Shannon]

Yeah. And I'm looking at the chat. Everybody say, stephen A. No, I will say this. Stephen A. Has called me and been there every step of the way. I will say that. I will say Stephen A. Have reached out. He's called, asked me anything. Juvie, he like, man, juvie. Just wanted to say, hey. That's. That's his boy. He just wanted to say, hey, you good? Hey, you good? I'm good. I'm good. Look, I know a lot of people say a lot of things about Stephen A. All I can attest to is the way Stephen A is with Shannon. And he's been great. Because when I went through with what I was going through with Fox, he was there. When I was going through what this. He was calling. Anything I can do? What can I do? I won't get into private conversations that we have, because that's between he and I. Right. But there are a lot of other people. A lot. Well, I Shouldn't say a lot. A lot of the parcel of land. There were a few. Quite a few. But you know what? I was. I've been down before this public lashing and ridicule and scorn and humiliation.

[Ocho]

Been there, take your lumps.

[Shannon]

But it took me. It took me a while to realize, like, hold on. You call the people that you're closest to. Brother, mom, sister, kids, best friend, bucket burns. You explain to them what they say. Bro, we good. Once I got. Once I got to that. Ocho, you and I talked about this. The man. Look, it is what it is. I'm gonna be all right.

[Ocho]

I ain't. Hey, I ain't even want to hear it. We good.

[Shannon]

Sunshine follows rain.

[Angela Yee]

What?

[Ocho]

What. What time. What time the next show? Hey, Joe, that's all I want to know. What time is the next show?

[Shannon]

That's exactly what he said.

[Angela Yee]

He did.

[Shannon]

Y' all know, confidence, it's something else, bro. When you gain some confidence, bro, it changed your whole game. Hey, you'd be a totally different player, but completely.

[Ocho]

Hey, and Joe, when you got confidence, boy, you walk different.

[Shannon]

Hello.

[Ocho]

Hear me? Like when you. It's like when you get a haircut. For some reason, when you get a haircut. I don't know what it is about getting a haircut and having that little lineup I got, having that little shave.

[Shannon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Just. You feel different. There's a certain confidence when you get that in sports.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And you kind of, like, get it figured out. When I figured it out, Joe. Like when it came to football, when I got about in year two, like in the middle of the season.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I say, well, God damn. They say the game is supposed to move fast, but for some reason, everything seemed to be moving slow.

[Shannon]

Slows down. Yep.

[Ocho]

Man. I say, you know what? I finally arrived.

[Shannon]

Yeah. You see, guys, he know. He know. He a bench warmer, and he go up there and talk to the baddest thing at the party. Like, it ain't nothing all up here.

[Ocho]

Face,

[Shannon]

bro, I ain't even that confident. Yeah. Yeah. She can't say nothing but no.

[Commercial Narrator]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Hello. But I ain't really tried to hear that tonight. Yeah, right.

[Commercial Narrator]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Hey, hey. Some guy. Some. I need this to be a yes. Party. Yeah. Hey, some guys got. Hey, hey. Boy, that's different type of confidence. She can't. She can only say yay or nay.

[Pharmaceutical/Health Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Like, that's it. Oh, yeah, that's it.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. That. That's. That's me there. I don't. I don't care who it is. Boy, out my league, in my league, below my. I mean, it don't matter, you know, I'm. Come up. I'm gonna start off with a joke.

[Shannon]

You gonna say something?

[Ocho]

Oh, I'm Joe. I don't care. Hey, I. Joe. I don't even care.

[Shannon]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Ocho]

In high school, when I had no money. Yeah, I don't care who it is. Ocho gonna be funny.

[Shannon]

Ocho. I'm saying. Let's say you go. Let's say you in a restaurant and she eating. She got four or five other girls. You gonna go up to the. You gonna go up to the table and go point it out.

[Ocho]

I'm going up to the whole table. Excuse me.

[Shannon]

You getting the baddest one. You with the baddest brick in the pile, man.

[Ocho]

Listen, excuse me. Excuse me, miss. Excuse me. Hey, how you doing? I don't mean to interrupt, but what's your name? Yeah, okay, listen, I don't want to interrupt, and I don't want to take too much of your time. Cause you with your girls, right? You free for dinner in two weeks, and boom, she gonna laugh. Cause the first thing. Who the hell asks to go to dinner in two weeks? Yeah, I'm asking for two weeks. Cause the two week part of what's gonna get your attention, because why would you not ask to take me to dinner, you know?

[Shannon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

What's the two weeks for? The two weeks for. Oh, the two weeks just give you enough time to get comfortable so you get to know me. Okay? So boom, she locked in right there off the rip.

[Shannon]

Hey, Joe, see Ocho, that guy. Hey, Ocho, see that word right there? Yeah, go tell her. Go tell her. Your horrible with a holler at him.

[Ocho]

That's me. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not what you say. It's how you say it.

[Shannon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Angela Yee]

Delivery.

[Ocho]

Delivery is important. It can it. You know, most of the time, women, they. They alarm when. When strangers approach them, right?

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You got to put them at ease. Fast as possible.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And you got to have to give a gab, Joe. Yeah, it's all in delivery.

[Shannon]

It's all, hey, hey, hey. And then. And then after you do all that. And her friends vouch for you. Oh, yeah, It's a rap. Oh, girl. Look, girl. Now you the talk of the group chat. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, yeah. Hey.

[Shannon]

But you get your homeboy like Ocho, because he Ocho brave. Yeah. Hey, what's your name? Yeah, you see my partner over there? You Know. Hey, Joe, I'm like this here. Joe, I'm over there like this here. Yeah, yeah. He tried to. Even though he want to know if he get your number, tell him to come over here and ask for it himself. Hey, hey.

[Ocho]

I'm telling you, Joe. Hey, Joe, I got so much in. In my little toolbox, right? I got so much in my toolbox because I talk a lot.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And I. Obviously, I'm not shy. I'm very. I don't want to say confident, but I approach anybody.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Any setting. It doesn't matter where we at, man. We at church. We had a funeral.

[Shannon]

We.

[Ocho]

Well, I don't go to the club, but just any outing, if I see something I like. Oh, man. Joe, I'm ready.

[Shannon]

Hey, Joe. And raw. What? Sushi.

[Ocho]

Come on.

[Shannon]

Hey. Told me, say, man. Hey, hey. Hey, man, it's too hot for condoms. Oh, come on, man. What you mean, it's too hot for condoms? Oh, come on, man. Come on.

[Commercial Narrator]

Come on.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe, he made that up, man. Hey, he made that up. Hey, but listen.

[Shannon]

Hey, hold on. Hey, let me tell you, man. It's too hot for a coach. Come on, now.

[Ocho]

Hey, let me tell you. Another one I used to do, Uncle Joe, you know, early in my career, in my younger days, right? Another one, if it was somebody that was. That was real fine. I mean, I'm talking about real fine. You know, she was a girl by herself. I act like I'm on my phone, right? Yeah. And I'd be, you know, I purposely walk. Walk like, damn, my phone ain't working. And I walk up to him like, listen, I'm trying to make an important call to my mama, my grandma, you know, but my phone just died. Can I use your phone real quick?

[Shannon]

Yeah, please.

[Ocho]

I don't mean to be rude. Can I use your phone real quick and. And call my mama? So that was to eliminate any chance of rejection.

[Shannon]

Oh, okay.

[Ocho]

I don't really. They. And they. Because of the delivery and the way I say it and being very sincere, and they. Oh, they give me the phone. Okay, no problem. But I call my phone.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So I call my phone. Boom, boom. We leave. I give her a phone back. My first text message. Boom. While I walk away. Thank you. I appreciate that. I just didn't want to deal with. No. I ain't want to deal with no rejection, but thank you for giving me your number.

[Shannon]

And we.

[Ocho]

And we on from there. I ain't had no problem since. Oh, that was cute. I ain't never had nobody do that to me. I know. Wait till I get a hold of you. You ain't never had nobody do that either.

[Shannon]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Commercial Narrator]

Damn.

[Ocho]

I. Hey, Joe.

[Commercial Narrator]

With.

[Ocho]

Hell, when I was. Well Joe, I had a lot of tricks.

[Shannon]

Hey, look, Unc got tricks over there, too. He got all them dogs. She come over there. She playing. Oh, hey, Teddy. She cute. Yeah, yeah. You put that LA in. It's a rap. No, no, no. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. No, no, Ain't no drinking. Ain't no drinking. No, no, no, no, no.

[Ocho]

Hey, Uncle. Got it easy, too. Uncle, you got a convertible? You got any kind of convertible car?

[Shannon]

No, no. Oh, no.

[Ocho]

I was gonna say, hey, Joe. Hey, if you got a convertible and you got little dogs.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Put a little dog in the passenger seat.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And let him look out the window. Oh, you good.

[Shannon]

I know Unc don't want that type of attention, man. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Ocho]

Where you taking the dog? Yeah, Joe. Hey, Joe. Hey, boy. Joe, boy. Joe. I got a mouthpiece on me.

[Shannon]

Joe, you. That's how you. Hey, hey, look, I. I got homeboys like that, Ocho. We be out at the spot in the club, they'll walk in somebody else section and go get a girl. Like, damn.

[Commercial Narrator]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Fighting. Come on, man. You know how. Hey, you know how they go? No. Okay.

[Ocho]

What'd you say, Joe? They all in somebody else section, man.

[Shannon]

I got somebody. Dudes who will go in another dude section and pull a girl out of there. And I'm like, come on, man. We're gonna be fighting in here, bro.

[Commercial Narrator]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Hey, on the. Oh, the first couple of dates, no drinking.

[Ocho]

Wait, what?

[Shannon]

No, you can't drink around me. Not. Time out, time out, time out, time out.

[Ocho]

Come on.

[Pharmaceutical/Health Advertiser]

We ain't.

[Ocho]

We ain't gonna do that.

[Shannon]

You think she gonna get too loose? I. I don't. Hey, I need you to be in your right mind. I need you to, like, remember everything, right? What I. What time I picked you up, where we went. Hey, what's my phone number?

[Ocho]

That's. That's not fair. Most of the time, especially on the first date, a woman needs to be able to have some type of alcohol to be able to relax.

[Shannon]

No.

[Ocho]

Because they nervous.

[Shannon]

Nope. And definitely back. Back when the day when you actually picked up a girl from the. You know, picked her up from her home or something like that. Yeah, that ain't happened in a long time. Now, you know, hey, after a couple of times, you. You know, you Ubering. Hey, you get in your car. You get in your car, you go your Separate way. But.

[Ocho]

Nah, man, you tripping, man.

[Shannon]

You gotta.

[Ocho]

You gotta.

[Shannon]

Even if somebody I go to the club and and the young lady been drinking. I got to move on. Damn. Nope. I can't do with no belligerent drunk. But you gonna have and you gotta take a shot just to get in the section here.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon]

Oh, no, no. Hell no. We finna party. We're gonna have a good time.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Hey, we grown. We gonna.

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[Shannon]

We. We gonna be adults about this.

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[Ocho]

Who.

[Shannon]

Who is the most recognizable face of the group? Oh, yeah, yeah. I was in Shannon. No, sir. Re so quiet.

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