Best of NFL Offseason MOVES Part 2: Myles Garrett to the RAMS, A.J. Brown FINALLY TRADED to Patriots, Kyler Murray in QB1 Vikings BATTLE with J.J. McCarthy

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Nightcap Podcast Summary

Episode: Best of NFL Offseason MOVES Part 2
Date: July 29, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson
Main Theme: The biggest, boldest NFL offseason moves – dissected with wit, experience, and plenty of player POV. Discussion centers on the major trades and free agent moves including Myles Garrett to the Rams, A.J. Brown to the Patriots, and Kyler Murray's new shot at the Vikings.

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Episode Overview

This fast-paced Nightcap episode features Shannon and Ochocinco's raw, playful, and unfiltered takes on seismic NFL moves. They break down how league-altering trades—like Myles Garrett joining the Rams, A.J. Brown's surprising exit to New England, and Kyler Murray's shot at redemption—shift team dynamics, playoff prospects, and the balance of power in both conferences. With a mix of analysis, player wisdom, and their signature banter, the hosts give listeners a clear sense of what to expect for the 2026 season.

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Key Segments & Insights

1. Chiefs Land Super Bowl MVP Ken Walker III

Timestamps: 02:47–07:56

• Chiefs sign RB Ken Walker III (3 years, $45M, $28.7M guaranteed) after his Seattle Super Bowl heroics.
  • "Walker will become the first Super Bowl MVP to sign with a new team the following season since Dexter Jackson..." – Joe (02:47)
• Ocho applauds KC for finally addressing their RB deficit, lamenting their missed opportunities at last season's trade deadline.
  • “You said it last year that they need to get a running back... Getting 1 and 2 yards and 3 yards a carry just ain't gonna cut it.” – Ocho (05:10)
• Insight into why high-caliber QBs can mask roster deficiencies until injuries expose the lack of foundational depth.

Notable Quote

"Patrick Mahomes is the greatest makeup. The great quarterbacks. They're makeups. They're the best... you don't realize how much makeup helps until the lights come on." – Shannon (09:20)

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2. Kyler Murray Heads to Minnesota: Second Chances & Quarterback Culture

Timestamps: 10:03–22:08

• Kyler Murray signs on a bargain (1 year, $1.3M), walking away from a tumultuous, injury-plagued Cardinals stint. The fellas debate if he can pull a Sam Darnold/Geno Smith-style resurgence.
  • “Can Kyler Murray parlay that success?... I think Kyler Murray is going to shock a lot of people.” – Ocho (11:35)
• They analyze environmental impact – supporting cast, coaching, and historical parallels (e.g., Daniel Jones, Baker Mayfield).
• Discussion of Murray's durability (“availability is the best ability”), his stacked new weapons (Jefferson, Hawkinson, Addison), and the QB competition with rookie J.J. McCarthy.
• Banter around Murray as QB1, the Vikings’ offensive situation, and what it means for McCarthy’s development.
• Extended, personal takes on waiting your turn and handling pressure as a starting NFL QB.

Notable Quotes

“Situations matter. Where you go matters. The supporting cast, what they put around you, what they surround you with also matters.” – Ocho (11:41)
“I think we're all unanimous up here. If he's healthy, JJ McCarthy is not beating him out.” – Shannon (26:20)

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3. Mike Evans Joins the 49ers: Chasing a Second Wind

Timestamps: 31:40–36:31

• Mike Evans explains choosing San Francisco over a more lucrative deal, saying, “It was just about football. Something I can be excited about... It just excites me. So I feel like I'm giving me a second chance, a second wind in my career.” (31:40)
• Hosts forecast a resurgence for Evans, given Shanahan's offense and his potential to thrive next to Christian McCaffrey and supporting cast.
• They discuss the challenges of staying healthy as aging players and how Hamstring and shoulder injuries have altered Evans’ last seasons.

Notable Quote

“Things are going to come a little easier for him offensively over there as opposed to over in Tampa Bay.” – Ocho (32:45)

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4. A.J. Brown FINALLY Traded: Patriots Get Their WR1

Timestamps: 47:57–54:46

• After months of rumors and visible tension with the Eagles, A.J. Brown is traded to the Patriots for draft picks.
• Ocho highlights lingering disconnects in Philly: “He was still upset at obviously having conversations with the owner...The problem with the play calling, the rifts and... the disconnect between Jalen Hurts and A.J. Brown.” (49:11)
• They outline why the move makes sense for both sides and discuss the challenge for Philly to replace his production with a combination of DeVonta Smith, Hollywood Brown, and rookie Makai Lemon.
• Discourse shifts to whether the Eagles are still NFC East favorites (Ocho says yes, despite losing Brown), while emphasizing how new play calling in Philly could unlock more for Hurts and the remaining receivers.

Notable Quotes

“A.J. brown understanding that, listen, we're winning, but I'm suffering. I'm suffering because I want to contribute to said wins.” – Ocho (50:00)
“As great as [A.J. Brown] is — and he's earned that [money] — but we can't win. We can finish in dead last and pay $10 million for [a replacement] until he gets that big contract.” – Shannon (87:57)

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5. Myles Garrett to Rams: Super Bowl or Bust in LA

Timestamps: 68:10–84:40

• The bombshell: Browns trade all-world pass rusher Myles Garrett to the Rams for DE Jared Verse, a 2027 1st, 2028 2nd, and 2029 3rd.
• Ochocinco marvels at what Garrett can do on a contending team: “He was able to get 23 sacks always playing from behind. Can you imagine the amount of sacks he's gonna be able to get playing from ahead...?” (69:56)
• Shannon breaks down why the Browns had to cash in now (“he's too great to be wallowing in mediocrity”), while also lauding the Rams’ “all-in” approach, comparing this to the Stafford and Jalen Ramsey trades.
• They discuss roster impact: pairing Garrett with a possibly unretired Aaron Donald (if rumors come true), stacked DTs, new CBs (McDuffie & Jalen Watson), and how the Rams’ aggressive philosophy makes them NFC favorites.
• Strong point that true franchise-altering players (like Garrett) are “the system,” not products of a system.

Notable Quotes

“He is the preeminent defensive player in all of football. Whoever your favorite defensive player is, he's not better than Myles Garrett. Hey, to go from the Browns to L.A.? Oh, my God.” – Shannon (85:17)
“If Aaron Donald decides to come back... they’re constructed to win a Super Bowl this year... You got Myles Garrett; you add Aaron Donald... Oh my.” – Ocho (80:25)

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Memorable Banter & Player Stories

• Amusing analogies on star QBs as “makeup” masking a team’s flaws, and frustration about playcalling (“Come on, man...you’re gonna throw me in in the fourth quarter with the intensity through the roof, you expect me to come in and give you good money? Come on!” – Ocho, 44:24)
• Stories about being a team’s main option, communication with coaches, and the real emotions behind not getting enough touches.
• Nostalgic, athlete-to-athlete wisdom about adjusting expectations, waiting your turn, and how professional culture shapes young players.

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Rapid Notes on Supporting Topics

• Chiefs' Defensive Losses: Both starting corners sign with Rams, safety Brian Cook departs; concern over whether KC has enough to defend their AFC crown.
• Marvin Harrison Jr. at Arizona: Ocho worries bulked-up frame may hurt his fluidity (“when you get that big, it takes something from you,” 25:46).
• Rams’ Big Picture: Their “damn them picks” mentality is praised for staying aggressive and relevant; hosts admire owner Stan Kroenke’s and Sean McVay’s willingness “to bet the house, every year” (76:07).
• NFL Contract Realities: Extended talk about the shifting RB and WR market, star players having to “hit at the right time,” and the short window for big money.
• Defensive Philosophy: Chiefs’ reliance on pressure, not elite CB pay; plug-and-play at positions except QB.

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Episode Standouts: Quotes & Moments

On the Rams’ Super Bowl push:

“With Miles Garrett... they’re saying he’s the missing link. That’s what you do, Ocho. When the Rams got Stafford, it was the missing link. This is Super Bowl or bust.” – Shannon (75:13–76:07)

On Eagles losing A.J. Brown:

“The offensive coordinator, the problem with the play calling, the rifts and the disconnect... it was time for this relationship to go their separate ways.” – Ocho (50:00)

On the reality for star pass rushers:

"He was too great to be modeling it, wallowing it in mediocrity on that team." – Shannon (68:47)

On a quarterback’s impact / “makeup” analogy:

"It's not until you're not able to apply that makeup that you see all these imperfections and all these blemishes, and you realize, like, damn, we not as pretty as I thought we were." – Shannon (10:05)

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Recap & Closing Thoughts

This Nightcap delivers a true insider’s look at the 2026 NFL cosmos, expertly weaving X’s and O’s analysis with player-tested wisdom and locker room storytelling. The episode’s theme is clear: bold moves define dynasties, and great organizations—like the Rams—aren’t afraid to risk everything to win now. The hosts keep it real on the agony and joy of player movement, why timing and fit matter, and what it takes for both veterans and up-and-comers to seize their moment. Expect fireworks this NFL season—with the Rams, Vikings, Chiefs, Patriots, and Eagles all at the center of the league’s evolving power structure.

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Ojo the Kansas City Chiefs are signing former Super Bowl MVP Seahawks running back Kenne Walker III to upgrade their backfield. The deal three years worth up to 45 million with 28.7 fully guaranteed. Walker coming off arg best season, earning MVP honors in the super bowl, leading the Seahawks past the Patriots last month. He also led the NFL in postseason rushes, 65 rush yards, 313 rushing touchdowns, four in three games in January and February. Walker will become the first Super Bowl MVP to sign with a new team the following season since Dexter Jackson did it for the Buccaneers. He left to go to the Cardinals in 2003. The Chiefs wanted to upgrade their rushing attack. They ranked 25th in rush yards per game, 106.6 and 20th in yards per carry at 4. 2, 1. This especially struggled down the stretch, failing to surpass the 100 worst yard mark in each of their final four games. Oo do you like this?

[Ocho]

Hey, I absolutely, I absolutely do like it. I was I was upset that the Chiefs and do their due diligence and do what they needed to do to bring a running back in last season at the trade deadline. I was hoping it would have been breeze Paul Breece hall getting somebody that can take the like yeah, yeah. You see how you're doing it. You saw his tweet.

[Joe]

But they weren't willing to give up a second round pick and the Dolphins had a stood firm I I, I, I don't understand. You lost your mind.

[Ocho]

You know what y'. All.

[Joe]

You gave yeah.

[Ocho]

You know what your team needs. Obviously when you look at somebody like the Chiefs, you understand you know what? Okay, you don't want to give us, you don't you don't value that position the way you think you should because you have a quarterback that's so that's so good at what he does. Well, you really haven't had a centerpiece or a running back like that. But now I think it's very important for them to get a player like brother Walker and and what he can do. You have a player that is really Good. He looked tremendous last year with the Seahawks when he actually got a chance to actually start and play a bit more at the Charbonnet. Am I saying it? Right after Charbonnet went down and got injured, he played himself into a contract. He's played himself into an opportunity to play for the Chiefs. So I'm excited for them. But they still need help as well.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

In other positions now that.

[Joe]

I mean, you.

[Ocho]

You said it last year. You said it last year that they need to get a running back. You, you said it last year because what they. What they had, you know, getting 1 and 2 yards and 3 yards of carry just ain't gonna cut it.

[Joe]

I. I thought. I think the thing is, O is like when you have a great quarterback, you like, well, we could take maybe average or below average at certain positions, and because our quarterback is so great, he could overcome that. Well, finally it caught up.

[Ocho]

Bingo.

[Joe]

And Mahomes couldn't overcome it because the running back, the lack of running back, the lack of big plays at the wide receiver position and the inconsistency of the offensive line, it finally. Even Patrick Mahomes, it was too great for him to overcome. And then once he got that injury, you know, their season was over. And so they just kind of. They played, they continue to play, but they weren't winning anything. I like this. I don't really know where else. Where they was going to go. I mean, you look at what atn, he went to the Saints. He got a big. Got a big payday. And I don't know if this. Me. Does this mean they're probably out of the market for the brother from Love? I. I think. What's the brother from another name?

[Ocho]

Jordan. Jordan Love.

[Joe]

Jeremiah. Look.

[Ocho]

Yeah, my love. I'm talking about.

[Joe]

I don't know if that's. They're out of the running and maybe there's like. Well, where we're picking. We're probably not going to get there to get him. And so we got to upgrade this. Look, if you just look at it, Ocho, me personally, I'm not so sure that he's a top 10 running back, but sometimes in free agency, it's about being free.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Joe]

It's about you. You look at some of the salaries that the guys are getting. They have to be free.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And that's. It's all about timing. Location, location, location, restaurant or business. Timing, timing, timing. When it comes to these contracts, it's everything. And so like I said, I don't know. He probably.

[Ocho]

He.

[Joe]

He hit it right. He Hit it when he needed to have a great post season super bowl mvp. So somebody's going to play him now. I knew I like there was a 95% chance he's going to go elsewhere. They just, they're just not running backs unless you 17, 1800 yards unless you know a couple of times like a Derrick Henry or Saquon even, even Quan Saquan really couldn't get a second long term contract from the Giants. Remember they franchised him. He had to leave. Oh yeah, yeah. Henry at least got a second contract. And then they was like well he don't have any juice. No, no juice left. And then he goes and still play well Jonathan Taylor. But for the most part they're not really giving running backs second big time contracts. And so I was, I'm not surprised that he's not in Seattle anymore based on, on the production that they got out of him. Charbonnet will be back. I believe he'll be back. And you, you probably can go get a running back to feel. To feel the, the boy that he leaves vacated.

[Ocho]

And that's exactly how they view it. That's exactly how they view it. If you're not special, if you're not special. They think we can play. It's plug and play. We can find another you, we can find another you that can do exactly what you were doing.

[Joe]

You're right. But I think, I think but the Kansas City Ocho, they still, I feel, I still think they need some office obviously offensive line, I definitely think they need some receiver. They lost it. Look, they lost both corners. Both corners goes to the Rams. And we talked about this last. I said man, the Rams secondary is terrible and what did they do? They wouldn't upgrade it. They got both of the, both of those guys from Kansas City. Now you'll see how they look outside of a. What's the guys out. Out of his system. What, what spags how they look outside of his system. Right, but with verse and, and, and the offensive with the, the D line I think the D we. We're going to see how that how it is. But Kansas City, they lost Brian Cook. They lost both corners. They. I think they're going to probably lose some other players. So it's going to be. Look, Kansas City got their work cut out for them because you let it, you let it the house. You. Look, you could have repaired the roof and you didn't. And so now your plumbing is also messed up. So now you gotta. So basically Ojo you got a lot of holes to feel yeah, because you had. Funny thing about that. Masked a lot of things. And when he could no longer mask, you realize it's kind of like makeup, Ocho. Sometimes you don't realize how much make, how much makeup helps until the lights come on and you wake up in the morning. Like God told my nose. That's what, that's what Patrick Mahomes is. He's the greatest makeup. The great quarterbacks. They're makeups. They're the best. I know this. Before your time. It used to be a makeup called Prince Machabelli and Maybelline.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah, I remember that. Maybelline.

[Joe]

I don't know what the makeup. I don't even know what Mary Kay. Don't forget about Mary Kay. The Pete car. They drive around.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, but I guess.

[Joe]

And all that other stuff. But yes, those really great quarterbacks, they are great makeup and they can hide imperfections. And it's not until you're not able to apply that makeup that you see all these imperfections and all these blemishes and you realize like, damn, we not as pretty as I thought we were. In the Kansas City realized that because all of a sudden Patrick Mahomes could not cover up those blemishes and they realized just how imperfect they were. Foreign. Signed a one year contract with the Minnesota Vikings that will pay him 1.3 million. Remember, he's just done a tick under 37 million still guaranteed from the Arizona Cardinals, which has already been guaranteed. Murray has thrown 121 touchdowns, 60 interceptions and 32 rushing touchdowns in seven NFL season that's been plagued by injury. Ocho, are we going to see another Sam Donald story situation? The resurgence, a rebirth we saw that would also. Yes, with Geno Smith, he leaves the jets as a resurgence. We see that with Sam Darnold, he leaves the jets as a resurgence. Can Kyler Murray parlay that success? Now, the success that Sam Darnold is unprecedented because he had 114 wins with Minnesota. He leaves Minnesota, goes to Seattle, wins another 14 games and he wins the super bowl on top of that. Can we see that type of resurgence from Kyler Murray?

[Ocho]

I think so. And I think that not only is he going to have that resurgence, we're going to understand why situations matter. Where you go matters. The supporting cast, what they put around you, what they surround you with also matters. And it's very imperative for a quarterback success based on the weapons that's put around him. If you look at all the quarterbacks, you look what Sam Donald was able to do, you look what Daniel Jones was able to do from going for the New York Giants and going to the Indianapolis coach. Not winning a Super bowl, but seeing the trajectory he was on and how he changed that franchise around in such a short amount of time because of the weapons that that were around him. I think Kyler Murray is going to shock a lot of people. I see some of the jokes that are flying, you know, about his height, about him being short. I mean, that has nothing to do with playing the quarterback position, especially when you have elite talent around you like he has there.

[Joe]

Hey, go ahead. Yeah. This was my pick for Kyler Murray from the start. When we first started talking about this uncle and Ocho and I was telling you, I was like, man. Cause Ocho was like, he wants to see Kirk Cousins go back. I'm like, nah, I want to see Kyler get a chance to have some awesome weapons, play with some great players. And I think he'll be great in that offense. Not just for a drop back passer, but a guy who can improvise back there and make something when it's nothing. You know what I mean? I love Kyle in this situation. I think he's gonna have much success. You know, I know some Vikings fans, they happy. So good luck to him, man. I'm looking forward to seeing this young dude get back to Joe Nocho. I don't know if you know this, but is he gonna be hard pressed to find a quarterback that's had better weapon than Kyler Murray? You know who he started with? Lad Fitzgerald. Is Larry Fitzgerald going to the hall of Fame? Ocho. And then he had DeAndre Hopkins. Is DeAndre Hopkins any good? And then he threw the Trey McBride. Is Trey McBride any good?

[Ocho]

He's the best in the league.

[Joe]

And now he has Justin Jefferson. So you're going to be hard pressed, Ocho, to find a quarterback that's had more stable weapons than what he's had. His only issue is, and I've said this from the very jump, he is a small man. Injuries have plagued him. I mean, bro, when you're 180, 190 pounds. Okay, let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho And Joe, he's 200, 200 at 5, 9, 5, 10. So they, they if when they hit you, you hit the dirt, they fall on top of you. Yeah. So that has been his problem, his being able to stay healthy. I believe if he stays healthy, guys, I agree with you guys. I think he can play really, really well. But that is a big if that is A. That's the caveat. That is the question. Can he stay healthy? Because over the seven years, he has not been able to do that, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Right? Yeah. I mean, obviously he had injuries. Obviously, Uncle. You know, that's a part of the game. It's a part of the game. And hopefully being that he's able to improvise, like Joe said, that being that he's able to play off script so well and he doesn't have to hold the ball that long because of the weapons that are surrounding him now. You named some great individuals. Some great individuals. DeAndre Hopkins. You know, Larry, I forgot A.J.

[Joe]

green played there, too. Didn't he, Ocho?

[Ocho]

Oh, that's right. He sure did. But, but, but listen, we, we're speaking to individuals, right? You know, in singular form. So now you have multiple of those same type of weapons. You know, Justin Jefferson, one of the best top three in the NFL. TJ Hawkinson, one of the better tight ends also in NFL, Jordan Addison. You know who I think if he was another team, he could be. He could almost be a one, you know, he's, he's, he's borderline one slash, two. You know, he can get, he can get, he can get it done, too. So I'm excited for him. As long as the play calling the coaches play to Kyler Murray strengths.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And find a way to hide whatever weaknesses he may have. If that might be a hype, so be it. There are ways around that because we've seen Baker Mayfield do it. Baker. Baker Mayfield also shortened height and has had much success.

[Joe]

Baker Mayfield has been able to stay on the field. I think you went out oo you not. Yeah, yeah. I, I think the thing is, oo is that again, Baker's been able to stay healthy. Kyler has to be ky your best ability, no matter whether it's arm, whether you can run four, two, it doesn't matter. You had a huge catch radius. You can block. You can block the guy out of the film. Availability is the best ability because it doesn't do me have you do any good. If, if you got a huge catch radius, you can score all these points. You can throw for 500 yards if you're on the sideline. I've never seen a guy complete a pass from the sideline. I've never seen one catch a touchdown, get a sack or block anybody or run a touchdown. So his thing is, he's going to have to find a way to stay on the field. Don't be afraid. Know when the journey's over. Throw that blink on and get out of line. Blinkle, Blinkle, Blinkle. I'm right up. Out of bounds. Slide down on that turn. You were a baseball player. You the number 8 pick in the draft. Slide. You don't have to. Once you get to this. This. This level, guys. Sometimes guys try to prove how tough they are. You don't get to this level without having some level of toughness. I'm going to pick and choose when I display that toughness. Hey, a fourth down, we gotta have it. Got it. Third down. Gotta have it. O. Joe. Got it.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But hey, first to second down, we ain't gotta have that. We got a third. We got a second down and a third down to get that on. Joe. And Joe. No, sir. That's the thing that Kyler has to do. He has to stay on the football field. But injuries, you know, be it knee, be it angle, you know, he tore. I think. I think he tore his ACL oo. He had some shoulder issues. He had. He's had some issues that he's going to have to get resolved in order for him to be the type of player, because we've seen flashes of it, Rookie of the year, a Pro Bowler. So we've seen that he's more than capable. He has the ability, even at his small stature, he can get the job done. He just needs to be on the field more often in order to do it. Absolutely. What does this mean? Hey, what you mean as a top 10 pick?

[Ocho]

Oh, I. I told you what I told you yesterday. Huh?

[Joe]

You said

[Ocho]

Kyler Murray. Hey, if Kyler Murray goes to the Minnesota Vikings for one, he's not going to beat out J.J. mcCarthy. J.J. i mean, excuse me. J.J. mcCarthy. He's going to be. J.D. mcCarthy. Out. Let's start there, right? When Anthony Richardson was with the Indianapolis Colts and they bought Daniel Jones in on a one year. What did that. What did that tell you?

[Joe]

Insurance.

[Ocho]

It's. It's the same. It's the same deal. It's the same deal. I mean, those that understand this business and understand how things work and how things operate, and Kyler Murray with his back against the wall on a one year deal for vet minimum, even though the co. Even though the Cardinals owe him 38 million, he f. To play all balls to the wall, you hear me? He gonna have a great season.

[Joe]

How could you not?

[Ocho]

If Sam Dar can do it?

[Joe]

You know, I agree with you. I agree with you. Sa.

[Ocho]

Do it. So can goddamn Kyler Murray. And I'm not. I'm not saying you Know Sam Donald, obviously a Super bowl winning quarterback, but again, situations matter and what he did in Minnesota while he was there, Kyler Murray can repeat that just in a different way because it's a different kind of quarterback.

[Joe]

Baker Mayfield is another one that had success after leaving a situation. We saw him leave Cleveland, we saw him leave Carolina. He goes to the Rams for one game, have success and he's had success. Kind of took a little step back, maybe with some injuries. Mike Evans missed a lot a large chunk of the season. Buca ends up tweaking his hamstring. He wasn't the same player but, but we've seen Baker has the resurgence and look more, more than adequate. Looks like a, a, a playoff winner. Even though he did win a playoff game when he was in, in, in Cleveland. So I think, you know, my, my only concerns is, is that knowing this offense, you're going to probably have to do a little bit more stuff on the, on the move. Oo because you got to get him outside.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

Cause he is small. I mean if you try to make him just throw the ball from the pocket, he gonna be hitting lineman in the ass with the football. Cause he ain't but so tall. So. But the thing is that you can do is that you can, hey, run some boots with him. Run, go ahead. Oh, you can run some booze, you can run play fakes. You look, you can throw. Between lineman Drew. It wasn't like Drew Brees was six five and the second. He had the second most touchdowns, the second most passing yard, the most 5,000 yard passing seasons in NFL, in NFL history. Kyler Murray is plenty good enough to get it done if he can stay on the field.

[Ocho]

And a lot of people, Joe and Unc, they always talk about his height. And obviously when it comes to the game of football, even if you're short, it's all about finding windows. It's all about finding those windows and throwing in space, throwing receivers open. So as long as his anticipatory skills are on point, I think they'll be able to do some drop back stuff. Matter of fact, he doesn't even need to be dropped back. Have him in the goddamn gun.

[Joe]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Give him an advantage and have having him in the gun so he doesn't have to worry about, you know, what's in front of him.

[Joe]

Well, I think take a snap from under center. Most of these guys, I mean if it's, if it's what, fourth down O up on the center. But for the most part, damn everybody in the gun now it's a. Yeah. I'm trying to think who, who mainly takes a lot of. I think Ben Johnson makes his guys. I think they, they. Ben Johnson there might be Kyle Shanahan, might be that, that system. You spend a lot of time up under the center, but for the most part now these guys are in, you know, they got zone read stuff calling. They're taking shotgun snaps. Yeah, yeah. KH said he grew up a die hard fan of the team and cried when Brett Far threw an interception in the 2009 championship game. Genuine fandom ran deep. Vikings gear through and through. A lot of purple in my household. I mean, I mean, consider he's a Texas kid. You'd have thought, you know, the Cowboys, you'd have thought the Houston Texans. But he said, hey, I'm a vice.

[Ocho]

I mean everybody has a story. Everybody has a story for some reason when they go to a new team.

[Joe]

For some reason that was their favorite team.

[Ocho]

That was their favorite team for some reason. Listen, if I see a picture of Kyler Murray and some Minnesota Viking stuff when he was a little kid, I believe that way

[Joe]

we, well, we definitely were Steelers fans in my household because I took a picture, I think it might have been third grade in a Franco Harris jersey.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So. Hey, hey. This gonna be, this is gonna be perfect timing for cow man. All he has to do is just play well. You see what Daniel Jones did, He took a one. Now he took a one year deal. Well, he took a one year deal, 14 million. But he had had the guaranteed money when he went to Minnesota because of the Giants. So now he took the one year deal. Hey, who knows? He can get a. He can get a 50 million dollar guarantee deal next year. A two year deal worth 100 million. He can get one of those. Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold's deal, three years plus incentives. I think Sam Darnold maxed out at about $4 million, $5 million in incentives plus an easy 30. So that's 35 million. So he's more than capable. And he had him. He had a big deal. Yeah. So now he can't be no more than like 28. I mean, 28.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he gonna, he gonna get another one. Hey, listen, definitely gonna get away. Think about it. Think about it. You have to be really bad. You have to be really bad to have that kind of support in cash, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Still stink it up. Yeah, you just do.

[Joe]

No, you got to be really, really bad. If you're a quarterback and you can't find gainful employment, you got to really suck, Ocho. Cause you know how many opportunities I mean, quarterbacks got like a cat. They got nine lives.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah.

[Joe]

Oh yeah. I mean, it's not like other positions after like a couple of teams. You bounce around Ocho, man, you find yourself in the usfl. I mean the ufl. Yeah, a quarterback. Quarterback. Go like got about seven jerseys hung up on his wall. All of them his.

[Ocho]

Uh huh.

[Joe]

Hey, listen, due to what Ocho said, you know, with his back being against the wall, you know what I mean, he really, he gotta show up this year. I mean, this is basically a one year deal. Especially if you want to continue to play, continue to be a starting quarterback. He gotta show him what he got. I think he'll put his best foot forward, man. He tough. He can play, man, just sometime perfect timing, you know, the timing situations, different guys, you know, just somehow some way, sometimes it pans out for the right reasons. Well, Joe, you were during football season, they played the Cowboys and Ocho and they had beat the Cowboys. But Jacoby Brissette started. I say Ocho. Yeah, yeah, I know Kyler Murray gonna be hurt a little longer and I'm not so sure he gonna get that job back when he. When he's healthy. Yeah. And I'd be damned if the coach didn't come out and say Jacoby Brissette's gonna go to carry it all the way. You know, it's just a matter of time. Here's the number one overall draft pick. He's supposedly healthy. And you mean to tell me Jacoby Brissette and you know Jacoby Brissett is not going to take you anywhere, but you feel he gives you the best chance to win? Oh, you know, Cal, after this year.

[Ocho]

Yeah, absolutely. And Jacobe was dealing, Joe. And boy, Jacobe was dealing, putting up crazy.

[Joe]

He was winning no games, but he was dealing.

[Ocho]

He was dealing.

[Joe]

You find out a lot about Michael Wilson. He can play. He can play. Hey, Marvin Jr. You got to get on your game. Cause just because they drafted, got to get one, the number one. Yeah. Michael Wilson is playing like the number one.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, I think he going to be all right. He just got to get out his head. Yeah, he got to get out of his head. And you know what I don't like, I'm not a fan of it. That when he was at. When Marvin Harrison Jr. Was at Ohio State, he had somewhat of a slender frame. And then he went into off season, Unke bulked up and he was huge.

[Joe]

You think that took you. You think that took a little bit of his elusiveness away, I think.

[Ocho]

So it might. I mean, when you get that big, it takes. It takes something from you. Obviously, you're a lot stronger. You're a lot stronger. But I think for. For. For him and, and what made him. Greeted what he did at Ohio State, you know, he was a lot more fluid and a lot more graceful at what he does. But when you put on that kind of. That kind of muscle.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know, just. I don't know.

[Joe]

Yeah, I agree with Jojo. I, I. I can't say. I can't say that. You know, his slender flame. He's bigger than his dad. Now, his dad wasn't any size, but he's a lot. I mean, he's a much larger man than what his dad was. And so, I don't know, Ocho. And maybe he thought. Maybe he thought that's what he needed. Maybe he thought the physicality, because the NFL game is a lot more physical. You've got to be able to play through contact. People don't just let you run freely. They're going to see. They're going to test you. Now I got to see if you can play through this contact. Once they find out you can't play through contact, they're gonna sit right down in the chair in front of you.

[Ocho]

Hey, they in your face every time. They in your face every time.

[Joe]

You got to prove it. You got guys all of a sudden no show. Ain't got no damn business up in press coverage. Trying to press because they don't think you can. Hey, we get everybody. Get a scouting report. Yeah, yeah. What he can do, what he likes to do, what he likes to run on this side, what he likes to run on that side, his best routes. So they're gonna have to figure this. Gonna have to figure it out. But I hope Kyler, you know, hope Kyler can stay healthy. And I, I agree with every. I think we're all unanimous up here. If he's healthy, JJ McCarthy is not beating him out. Yeah, I agree.

[Ocho]

Not a chance in hell that boy gonna play.

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[Ocho]

What's up fam? I journalist Ari Chambers.

[Joe]

Hey, what's up y'?

[Ocho]

All?

[Joe]

It's your girl, Sam J. And we're the host of Everyone Watches Women's Sports, a new podcast from Together. And I heart women's sports because let's be real, women's sports is giving us way too much to talk about these days.

[Ocho]

So Kelsey Findler.

[Joe]

She became the first female solo rower

[Ocho]

to go from California to Hawaii.

[Joe]

My first thought is just like, what's up with the snacks? Like what are we?

[Ocho]

What are we eating?

[Joe]

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[Ocho]

Naomi Osaka showing out. She beat Sabalenka.

[Joe]

Shout out to you Naomi. You get the Palm, Naomi. You get the Palm for that. Because we're not just interested in what happened. We're interested in why everyone's talking about it. Because everyone watches women's sports. Listen to everyone watches women's Sports on

[Ocho]

the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever

[Joe]

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[Ocho]

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[Joe]

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[Ocho]

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[Joe]

How did any of this get made? Why did we think that was a good idea? We're ready to talk about it.

[Ocho]

And we'll also be joined by the people who helped bring it all to life. Guest stars, collaborators and friends, including director Jonathan Krisel, the mayor himself, Kyle MacLachlan, legendary musician Amy Mann, and many more.

[Joe]

Kyle is going for it. Here you fully improvise, not just words, but a song, a melody. Well, I thought he was going to write. I thought you were all going to write a song. I remember you thinking that.

[Ocho]

Listen to Podlandia. AO rewatch on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Joe]

Mike Evans spoke on why money was not the biggest factor in his decision to side with the 49ers. It was just about football. Something that I can be excited about every time I come to Levi's Stadium and see how the crowd is. I see the energy that brings and I see the rich history of the San Francisco 49ers. It just excites me. So I feel like I'm giving me a second chance. Excuse me, a second win in my career. And that's why I chose to come here. I want to show that I'm still who people believe that I am and that I'm one of the best to ever do it. I like what you think of Ocho.

[Ocho]

I like it. I love it. And the funny thing about it is you think about what Mike Evans did 11 years straight elect 1000 yard seasons, right? He misses one this year due to injury. But where can he go where they throw in high volume much more than they do in Tampa Bay and will put him in positions, you know, to, to be a help offensively. Think about all the one on one situation he's going to get because they have Christian McCaffrey in that backfield. Think of all the mismatches he's going to get because of Christian McCaffrey in that backfield along with the other supporting cast as well. But the genius of brother Shanahan and being able to do what he can do offensively, it's a match made in heaven for Mike Evans and things are going to come a little easier for him offensively over there as opposed to over in Tampa Bay. All right.

[Joe]

Yeah, I think it's going to be great for him, Uncle Ocho, you know, a guy, you know, probably have somewhat of a little resurgence. You know, I know he has some injuries, due to some injuries that he had this year. He wasn't able to get to a thousand yards. So I'm sure he's ready, you know, to get back to being a thousand yard receiver and just showing he's one of the top receivers in the league. So I think it's a good look for him. Another guy that's going to have to stay healthy. We've seen over the last couple of years each, Ocho, he's dealt with hamstring injuries. This year he had a shoulder injury. And I think the thing is, Joe, and you could attest to this playing as long as you play in the NBA, Ocho, you not so much because you didn't have injuries. As you get older, you get nicked. The Knicks that would normally keep you out a day or two now all of a sudden keeps you down a week or two. And the injured that used to keep you down a week or two keeps you out a month or two. And that's what we see happening to Mike Evans we saw two years ago. Ocho, it came up, he very, he got the thousand yards at the end and you see with greater regularity. Yeah, and they keep it down for extended periods of time. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yes. No, I was, I was agreeing with, I was agreeing with you, that's all.

[Joe]

Yeah, so I, I get it. This is not a good look for, I mean Tampa, there's like they were in prime position. They went two and seven in their last nine games. They went two and seven in their last nine games.

[Ocho]

They had a four or five game skid, Uncle Joe. Boy, they look good, you hear me?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Went crazy for like what, a four, a four week stretch? I mean just, just going dumb and all of a sudden the goddamn bottom fell Out.

[Joe]

Mike Evans was already out. Chris Godwin, I think one of the running backs got nicked. Their problem was defensively, they couldn't generate pressure.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

I don't, I don't, I don't care how good. I don't care give a damn who calling the plays. You can't generate a pass rush. You're not winning in this league. These teams are too good. Even with, even if they don't have name receivers, you better put pressure on that quarterback. If you don't put pressure on the quarterback, the average, the average quarterbacks are pick you apart.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And at the words of John Gruden, the great quarterbacks are gutching. Yeah. So Tampa, I don't know what I, I, they got it. They got to get pressure, Ocho. They just, guys, they got to be able to dial up pressure. I think Todd Bowles is a great defensive mind and you saw what he did when he was the dc but look at the guys that he had that could pressure. Yeah, yeah. They don't have that anymore. They don't have that anymore. They get guys here and there. They get, they can get some, they can win, but you got to win more often than not. And a lot of times, guys, you got to win your one on one battle. I can't scheme up everything at some point in time. Joe, go get me a bucket. Hey, I can't run a pick for you. I can't run no pick for you. I can't run a pin down or a flare to have you come off anything. I just want to put the ball in your hands. You go get to your spot, rise up and shoot over somebody. Ocho, I'm sorry, I can't budge the formation. I can't put nobody in motion. I'm just going to put you two yards outside the numbers. What you like, you like to out, you like to dig, you like the curl, you like the oval. What do you, you like to bang. But I need you to go win for me. And sometimes that's what it takes on the defensive side. Miles, I'm sorry, we can't run no E.T. i need you to line up, get two. You get a yard, two yards outside the left tackle, and I need you to get home, son. Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

You know, it's funny, Uncle Joe. Hey, Joe. And the way Unc just explained that too, when you talk about some of the elite players in the league, Only the elite players can do what he just said. Yeah, only the elite player could do. You know what? I don't need my coach's help this time?

[Joe]

Hell, no.

[Ocho]

Coach tell you I need you to get it done for me right here.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I don't have no tricks. I don't have no scheme, I don't have no tactics. I need you to line up, and I need you to get from point A to point B as fast as you can, no matter who's in front of you. Just get it done. Hey, it's only a few could do that.

[Joe]

Hey, not only that, I need you to do that in the postseason. On call, too. Absolutely. It's only a few who. It's only a few who can do that, fellas. Hey, it's only a few like Ocho, they come down there with that, with the sheets on there. Hey, son, what you like? Yeah, that's it.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

What you. What you like? Hey, what I like?

[Ocho]

And my first answer to that would you like anything?

[Joe]

Whatever you call anything. Just give me the rock and y' all get y' all ass out the way. That's what y' all do. Get y' all ass. Whatever you call with 84 is the first option. That's what I like. I got you. I got you. I like that.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, anyway. Hey, listen, for me, it was. Any way I can get my ball, I can get my hands on that ball.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

I'm talking about in the postseason. You playing in the. In the playoffs. It's game five, game six. They already know what you running. It's like, hold on, man. Just give me the damn ball. Y' all get. Get out the way.

[Ocho]

I'm.

[Joe]

I'm gonna handle it from here. Don't even worry. Y' all doing too much. Cause y' all bunching the formation. Nah, hell nah. Somebody get jammed and I get. Now all of a sudden, I can't get my stride. Hey, don't throw everything off now. Let's go two by two. Put me in the slot. As a matter of fact, get a little wider. You know, sometimes. Sometimes people get pressed. Now all of a sudden, everybody jammed up. They don't threw the whole damn time of the thing. Yeah. Hey. Oh, yeah. No, no, don't come. Said no pic. Cause your damn man gonna trap me. Then I'm like, I gotta pass it. Hey, Joe, get back.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe. What's y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Ocho]

What's y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Ocho]

What's y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Ocho]

Signal for ISO when you call ISO.

[Joe]

Get. Get out the way. Don't break. Clear. Clear. Clear.

[Ocho]

Clear.

[Joe]

Goddamn clear. Flat. Get flat. Just get flat. Don't worry about nothing else. I got the rest. Oh, you like that. 14 flat, Joe. 14 flat. Hey, get flat. Flat.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Josh, get your ass in the corner over there. Don't move. Hey, and don't look. Don't worry about it. I ain't gonna kick it to you for no. 3. I'm going to. I'm getting to my spot on this one. I get you. I get you next time around. But. But you know what? But that's what you have to have. You have to have. You got to have a couple of players that no matter what you call Ocho, you feel they can win. And the quarterback. Deal. You can win. He's got to feel.

[Ocho]

Look, if you.

[Joe]

Everybody, he's like, oh, I got whoever's open, they lying. They're lying. They got a guy that they know. Nine times out of 10, I'm gonna give him. I'm gonna give him the first man, why'd you go? To go where? Because I already know. I already know what I got with oo. OO getting first dibs. Unless that guy wide ass open and everybody done fell down and pulled a hamstring. I'm not throwing you that ball. I'm not. I'm. No sense of me lying. Hey. Yeah. Hey. Yeah. Guys, we in college. We was in college. We play in Central Florida. I never forget. I was a sophomore. Coach Turner. Coach Davis called a timeout. Our office coordinator was Coach Turner. And he. He came. He said, hey, come here. Do I. I was gonna call his first name. Name Reuben. He's like, hey, come here, son. I want you to run hard. You're gonna be wide open. Now, we about to call 6, 5, 6. I want you to run hard. You're gonna be wide open. Now get. Hey, hey. You know, he got his arm around his shoulder. Oh. He said, I want you to run hard. Cause you're gonna be wide open. You're gonna be wide open. He pushed him in the game. He told the quarterback, don't you throw that ball. That. Damn, boy. Man. I said, man, I wonder how often coaches have ever said that. Tell you one thing. Oo. And then when they. As soon as you leave, don't you throw that ball. That. Damn. Yeah, yeah. It happen all the time. It happen all the time. Trust me. Oh, man. Boy, those were the days. But I was like, lord.

[Ocho]

Hey, boy.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Ocho]

Well, you. Are you jogging back memories? Back memories. Hey, hey, Joe. Remember? You know, I always used to be mic'd up. You know, they mic me up, Joe, we ain't even have prime time games. They still put a mic on me because Ain't no telling what I was gonna say. Hey, man, Unc, man, just. Just what you gonna do in the middle of the game? Hey, we'd be in the middle of the game, and I'm not getting no action, and I pick up the phone. You know, Bob Burkowski was our officer coordinator at the time, Joe. I pick up the phone, you know, second quarter, I ain't touching. I ain't touched the ball in. In the first. Yeah, I picked up the phone. Hey, Coach Brett, he said, what you see out there? I say, listen, I can see a lot of things, but, you know, I'm like. I'm like, life insurance, huh? You know, I ain't no different than birth control. So either one of them, you know, you can count on them. I ain't no different than that. And I leave it at that because I don't want to be aggressive with it.

[Joe]

I hate that.

[Ocho]

Okay, come on, man. Come on, now. Hey, come on, now.

[Joe]

Ocho. Don't you hold one whole quarter. I don't touch a ball. But y' all see, Joe, y' all didn't have no phone. See, we got phones. Don't you hate when they call down sharp telephone, tell them I ain't in. You ain't throwing me no damn ball off. You ain't been throwing me no ball. What the hell? What the hell? What you want to talk to me for? What? What we talking about? Oh, Joe, what are we talking about? Hey, what they be wanting to talk to y' all about?

[Ocho]

Hey, try. Hey, try to calm you down.

[Joe]

What you try to calm you down.

[Ocho]

That's it.

[Joe]

What we practice. They see you piss. That's exactly what I see. What we practice. Yeah. Hey. Cause I know how I am. Once I get going, it's hard to get me to stop off the ledge. So I had to do everything I possibly could not to get. Not to get going. So I tried to, like. Nah, I. I. I ain't good. I. I don't want. I don't want to talk right now. I don't want to talk.

[Ocho]

Hey, hold on. Hey. What you told him? What he asked you, what you see,

[Joe]

what you said, so you think I saw in practice? That's what I see, but don't worry about it. So I say no. Hey, hey. Just no. Just tell him to come to the phone for a second. Nah, tell him I ain't in. I'm going. Hey. Oh, I run right on back. I run right on back on the field. I get you next time around because you know, everybody can Hear. You know, the. The head coach can hear the conversation, so just. Just to make sure. Hey, nah, man. Hey, hey, hey. When you get to that level of pissivity, though, boy, it's hard to come, boy. It is. It ain't nothing that they can say. Y' all ain't threw me a ball all hell, you know what I'm saying? Ain't ran and played my way all game. What you want to talk to me for? They try to gas you up, man. You did a hell of a job on that power. That would. Hey. Oh, that way. Blocking the 18 strong. Man, get the hell up out of here. That damn 18 straw. Hey, hey. Y' all ain't paying me no damn money to be blocking no. 18 strong and no. 16 power. Man, throw me the effing ball. Hey, look, hey, look. That's equivalent to a cat ain't played the whole first half, but coach come down there instead of tapping them tight. Stay ready, Stay ready now. We gonna need you. Come on, man. Come on. You gonna throw me in in the fourth quarter with the. With the intensity through the roof. You ain't played me all game, but you expect me to come in and give you good money? Come on. Oh, hey, Joe. And then when I missed two shots, you snatched me out. Who you got? Oh, hell, no. Hey, listen, in real time, I've been sitting over here an hour, 45 minutes, man, for real. And, boy, they throw you in there, they expect for you to get right to it. That's why I tell cats, these young cats, man, who looking to be pros, bro. Cause, you know, everybody ain't gonna be able to come in and get the ball right away and be able to, you know what I mean?

[Ocho]

Oh.

[Joe]

So listen, for a lot of them who haven't had a chance to have to really wait their turn when they get to the pros, they have to, you know, it's a pecking order, you know what I mean? It's only a few guys, a couple guys who they gonna hand the ball to right away when you come into the league. So it's an adjustment. Uncle Ocho and a lot of these young cats is hard for him to handle, man, you know what I mean?

[Ocho]

Oh, man, for real. Hey, that was funny, bro.

[Joe]

Hey, you shout out, hey, where you shot at, right? Hey, I would get bust ready. You. I tried to control it as long as I could. I mean, you catch a couple of passes, Ocho, I'm good. I done got the rhythm now. I done caught me three. Then all of a sudden, they go Somewhere else with the ball. Man, why the F y' all throw it to him? Y' all know damn well he wasn't gonna catch the ball. It's a little different than hoops, though. If you. If you get. If a dude make two, three. If dude make three, four shots, you know, a next heat check coming. You want to. You know, you want to try to get him going. Yeah, but. But you know, Joe, in football, they say. Ocho, what they say we gonna spread it around this week. Okay. All right. They gonna spread around now. Come fourth quarter, Ocho Joe, we in a tight ball game. They gonna come in there. Hey, they come out there with a sheet. Cause they ain't got no. They didn't have no iPad. They got the sheets. What you like on it? I like to get out my face. I would like something in the first or second quarter. Now you in here now talking about what I like. I would like for you to get out my face before I cuss you out. That's what I would like. Hey, no. What you want me to do? We down 14. They got the ball. It's six minutes left in the ball game. Talk about what I like. I should have told him I like pepperoni and ground beef on my pizza. That's what I like. Hey, hey. That's how mad you be, though. For real. I swear to God. I know exactly what you talking about. Oh, hey.

[Ocho]

Boy, that bring back so many good memories.

[Joe]

Good memories. They bring back memories. They damn sure ain't good. That's probably my. Why my blood pressure. My blood pressure was up. Oh, God. Hey, listen. Hey, listen. Cause real talk, you know, some of them bad games, they leave a stain on your brain, bro. You know, you. You. It's like, I had some games, you know, you just can't get out your head, like, damn. And then they go talk about the money. Yeah. Yeah. We definitely should have got just more opportunities. Yeah, man, get out of here with all that. What'd I do now? Hey, listen, that's the worst. Hey, look, that's like the ref coming to you, saying he missed it. He fouled you a couple times in that first half. That's how I battle. Damn. All right, that's four points. That's two free throws. I could have been got, man. Come on, man.

[Ocho]

Oh, man.

[Joe]

Yeah. I was like, man, they need to stop with this. The Eagles are trading A.J. brown to the Patriots for a first round draft pick in 2028 and a 2027 fifth round draft pick. And guess what? The Patriots will receive AJ Brown A physical is being pended. Hopefully there's not a situation like a Max Crosby situation. There was reports, I don't know how true it is, that Jerry Verse had reached out to Max Crosby. You saw that. How do you get. How you get that straight, Sydney? By waiting until June 1, the Eagles can now split Brown's $40 million salary cap charge between 26 and 27. GM Howard Roseman said, I think that he just felt for his family at this stage of his career. It was something that he was desiring and that he was looking forward to. In all of our conversation, he was very, very positive about his experience in Philly. Just felt like going forward here, that was not something that he preferred. Hey, Ocho, I will let you. I mean, I will let you say Ocho told you so.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, a lot of people, obviously we said it when the season was still going. Yes. We talk about early in the season. Yeah, we talk about. We talk about October, you know, around November, when things weren't going well. He was still upset at obviously having conversations with the owner. And there were still problems on the field. You can see the frustration lingering going into year two of having same said problems. The problem with the officer coordinator, the problem with. The problem with the play calling, the rifts and the disconnect, you know, between Jalen Hurts and A.J. brown, you could see it coming. But a lot of Eagles fans were like, no, it's no problem. You know, we're winning, we're winning. But obviously A.J. brown understanding that, listen, we're winning, but I'm suffering. I'm suffering because I want to contribute to said wins.

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Ocho]

Obviously, there were some opportunities late in the season where, you know, the bell. The bell was called and you were called on to make those plays. And he didn't do it. He didn't do it. You know, he dropped some balls. So it was time. It was time for this relationship, you know, to go their separate ways. And I. I said that the best place for AJ Brown to go is to go to a coach that was familiar with him, with him and what he can and can't do. And that would be with Mike Rabel down there in New England.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And, you know, obviously now. Now it has happened. A lot of people, you have to replace talent with talent, and by no means are they going to be able to replace A.J. brown. Talent or production right away. I understand they have Makai Lemon, great player in college. Will it be able to transition into the NFL? We don't know yet. I know Makai Lemon looked good when he was in. When he was in. When he was in college. Coming to the NFL is still completely different. This is not a Justin Jefferson. This is not a Jamar chase where you can plug him in play. You know what he gonna give you right off the back. I'm sure they'll be able to put him in position to be able to make the plays. Devontae Smith. What are they gonna do for 18 games straight? Wherever. Wherever Slim Reaper, wherever Smitty lines up, we doubling him.

[Joe]

Yeah. Make somebody else.

[Ocho]

Everybody else beat us.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

They got to prove they can get open. They got to prove they can get open. And if they don't, it's gonna be. It's gonna be. Hell,

[Joe]

yeah.

[Ocho]

I'm still. Hey, you know what? I'm still excited for the Eagles. I still have the Eagles. No disrespect to your Cowboys. I still have the Eagles winning the NFC East.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Ocho]

Still.

[Joe]

Damn. Look, I'm happy.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. I said no disrespect, Joe.

[Joe]

All right? No disrespect. How they met Joe. Let's. That's. Let's uncle over there. You know how he.

[Ocho]

You see?

[Joe]

Yeah, let's uncle over there instigating. Let me ask you a question. Oh, let me ask you this. If somebody say your kid look just like your girl, but your girl ugly as elf, what are you saying? If that man. Somebody preface up by saying respectfully, I don't mean no disrespect. How is he saying it? He. Disrespectfully.

[Ocho]

I didn't say anything disrespectfully. The Eagles are still the Eagles. They're just repeat.

[Joe]

I'm saying, how you so sure, Ocho, that they gonna be so great without AJ Brown? I'm happy for AJ you know what I mean?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

It's hard when one of your best players are disgruntled. Yes. You know what I mean?

[Ocho]

You.

[Joe]

You ain't gonna get the best out of him. This is what he wanted. He wanted an opportunity to. To get back to playing and being that top receiver.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

He want to put up them numbers, man.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

That's what AJ well, he ain't out there trying to be no pedestrian. Hey, let him. You just fly. Now, now, now, now. He ain't out there for no wind sprint. That man want to. He want touchdowns and yards.

[Ocho]

Can I tell you why I believe they still gonna be, you know, a top contender?

[Joe]

Why do you believe that?

[Ocho]

Why, for one, they still. For one, they still have Saquon Barkley for One, the head coach is Sirianni. For two, they have a new offensive coordinator in Sean Manion. Yeah, look at where he come from. If I'm not mistaken, Unk, he's coming from the Green Bay packers, right? He coming from that tree of the Green Bay packers creativity. Having receivers, knowing what to do, put him in different positions to be able to make the plays. Not being as predictable as Petula's offense was last year. The fact that uncle and I could watch the Eagles game and tell you exactly what Rouse AJ Brown was running based on his alignment, based on what side of field, field he was on, based on down the distance. It was too predictable. Too predictable. If we could predict it and we sit at home, imagine what the goddamn players can do that are watch that have watched film all week and playing the game against the Eagles, the Ocho.

[Joe]

If they got eight in the damn box on the Eagles and you making hurts throw the ball. Damn. He gotta make some plays, bro.

[Ocho]

I mean, he gonna make them. He gonna make them. He gonna be all right. He gonna be better this year. He gonna be better this year. Listen, they got Hollywood Brown, they got Makai Lemon, obviously. They have Slim Reaper and Devonta Smith. They're going to be all right. The one thing I want, Jalen Brown. I'm talking about Jalen Brown. Jalen hurts to be able to do is to be able to trust his eyes and his anticipatory skills and letting the ball go. Not wait until receivers are wide open and then throwing it. Trusting yourself and throwing them open, that's pretty much it. Outside of that, I think the Eagles are still going to be very, very good because they still got Saquon. That offensive line is still one of the best in the league, if not the best. And they're going to be fine. Makai Lemon is going to have to hit that learning curve and hit the ground running. He gonna have to hit the ground running right away.

[Joe]

I just think the thing is, you have to look at. Look how Hertz was brought up playing the quarterback position. By not doing what? Ocho Joe turning the ball over. Look at him. If dad was his coach in high school, he learned bulk of his career under Nick Saban. When he took over in Philadelphia, what did they say? They ran the football. Very safe passes now to try to get him out of that. It's hard. Yeah, because for the better part of his career, you told him to protect the ball. Don't put the ball in harm's way. You don't put the ball in harm's way we can win. We're going to play through our defense, we're going to play behind our running game. It's hard. I'm not saying it can't be done, but I'm saying it's just hard when that's how you've been brought up up most of your career. I agree, I agree. But I'm, I'm not surprised. I think the thing is what and what we try to give the chat Joe, when we talk football and the same thing what you do in basketball is that we try to take the chat inside the locker room and be in sit and we try to take them in situations that in my 14 years old show 10, 11 years your experience in the NBA, what we've seen, what we've been around, not only just the NFL, but in college and in high school. So you're talking about 20 plus years of experience, lived experience. There's a difference. You said you want players, be it whatever, no matter what the sport, when they talk about it, you want them to have played the game, right? We played the game. I'm telling you something, a lived experience. It don't make me no different if AJ degree If AJ If AJ Brown stays or goes. Based on my knowledge and my experience, this is how I believe it's going to end. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Through my personal experience, my humble opinion, this is how it's going to end. Miles Garrett. Ocho, I'm just saying for $40 million they can finish in last place and pay somebody 10 million. Absolutely. That's it. If you win the super bowl and you say, well, that's it. It really wasn't what I thought it was. You lead the team in reception, you lead the team in yards, you go to the Pro bowl and you still ain't nothing else I can do for yo Joe. Ain't nothing else I can do. If you take your, if you buy your girl the most expensive Birkin bag. So you get every one of them, you get the Kelly, you get the Mini, you get the Himalayan, you take, hey, you get a G wagon truck. You say, baby, for the next two months we going to the Maldives, we going to Bali, we going to the Malfea coast week, week eight and don't buy nothing. And when you get back and she say, you're like, damn, babe, what's wrong? Nothing. What you supposed to do, Ocho? That's somebody that's just not happy there. That's not saying she can't be happy. She's just not happy. There. I'm not saying A.J. brown can't be happy. It just appeared to me he was no longer happy there. And when someone is not happy someplace, If a person not. Doesn't want to be there. Oh, eight. You can't buy them enough. You can't do enough things. When somebody doesn't want to be there, you can't do enough. I ain't telling what somebody told. Again. I try to give you life lived experiences. Yes, sir. And when a person doesn't want to be somewhere, you can't do enough. Absolutely right.

[Ocho]

Yeah. I mean, it didn't run its course, Uncle Joe. It didn't run its course. So I'm glad for both sides. They both move on A.J. brown now, now, now in New England with Drake May. You know, Jalen hurts God, Smitty. New officer coordinator, new players, new regime.

[Joe]

Petunia. I mean, Petula. My bad. I said Petunia. I don't know why I said that. My bad. I'm sorry. That's smelled it didn't.

[Ocho]

Yeah. New officer coordinator. Sean. Sean Minion. I think I said it right. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited for the Eagles. I'm excited. Defense still gonna be good.

[Joe]

Oh, so I think he was a quarterback, didn't he? Wasn't he a quarterback at Oregon State? Man?

[Ocho]

He was, Sean. Man.

[Joe]

I think so. When he a quarterback at one point in time, Where'd he go to school? Goddamn, that's. Oh, he went to Oregon State. And Ocho don't even know the man, Right?

[Ocho]

I was in college for four months. What you mean by school?

[Joe]

Supposed to know them folk, man. You alumni?

[Ocho]

I ain't alumni, Joe. I was there for four months. You acting like I was there for four years.

[Joe]

I ain't even put myself in the dresser. I had a suitcase, man, on the floor, just taking my clothes out.

[Ocho]

That's it, right? Hey, Joe. Joe. I ain't even go to class, Joe.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Ocho]

Now, Joe, I was in and out, boy. I think I got there in August. But by the time April. April got there, I was gone.

[Joe]

I think. Look, Ocho, you said something very interesting. He goes to a coach that knows him. The thing is that he knows his personality, right? Also, he knows Vrabel ain't no nonsense. Here's a guy that played. Played at a high level one. When you get to a place, lay out my expect. Tell me what you expect of me. I'm telling you what I expect of you. This is how. Hey, I don't have no problem being coached hard. Yes, I'm gonna come in. I'm gonna be performing professional at the. At the very least. I might not be what you thought I was, but I'll always be professional. I ask that you extend me the curtain the same courtesy. I believe in a level of professionalism above all. Absolutely. And I think. I think because AJ Knows him. He knows AJ he knows what make AJ tick. AJ Knows what gets under brable skin. I think it's going to be great. He has a quarterback. He believes that he look not not to say that. Cause at one point in time, Ocho Joe, he believed in Jalen. Hurts. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, they put up some good numbers now. Hey. Him and Jalen put up some good numbers now. You know, things started to unravel. Year three and four. Wait, they were together four years?

[Joe]

I think four years.

[Ocho]

Yeah. The tail ended three. And obviously we see how four went. Him and Drake may go ahead. They're have a good rapport. They're gonna. They're gonna have a good report. He has a nice complimentary set of receivers also that go along with him. Keisha Boute. I forgot who maybe.

[Joe]

I don't know if he made it four years. Was he only there three years? Because the first year they went to the super bowl, the next year they didn't. Kansas City. Because Kansas City went back to back. And then the third. Yeah, it's four. He might have been four years. So the first year to go.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

San Francisco, third year. Yeah. Four years. He was there. Four years old. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yes. Boy. Yeah.

[Joe]

Hold on, hold on. The Patriots just played. They just played in the super bowl, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep. I think they'll get the best out of A.J.

[Ocho]

bro.

[Joe]

You know, you get another chance, you get a different opportunity, an opportunity that you've been looking forward to. You know, they. They should get the best. AJ yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah. They're gonna be all right. They're gonna be all right.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Ocho]

Hell. Hey. They go. They're gonna be all right. And the Eagles gonna be all right.

[Joe]

Look at this picture. Can you see this picture? Yeah, that's A.J. brown. Now, to the best of my recollection, Nike started making NFL jerseys in 2012. Either A.J. brown is a very, very small 15 year old. I'm just saying. A very, very small fifteen year old. Or this is AI. I'm just saying. Ocho. I'll let Chad. I'll let y' all draw your own conclusions.

[Ocho]

That might. That might be AI. I don't know. Hey, that's a good one, though.

[Joe]

You don't know what's Real nowadays hell,

[Ocho]

hey, hey boy, you can't even tell so damn.

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Ocho ISO the Cleveland Browns have sent their megastar defensive end, a two time defensive player of the year. He's a five time first team all pro. In return, the def they the Cleveland Browns sends Miles Garrett to the Los Angeles Rams. In return they get Jared Verse, a 2027 first round pick, a 2028 second round pick and a 2029 third round pick. The Browns drafted Garrett number one overall in 2017. Ocho, we talked. I said, ocho, why don't the Browns just trade this man? And you say why you trade him? He's your most valuable asset. I said, because Ocho, you get he getting all them sacks and you finishing dead last. Shouldn't you upgrade, get more and try to put pieces around him. They're not close with Miles Garrett, and I hated to say that, but give that man, he's too great to be modeling it, wallowing it in mediocrity on that team. Now watch how invigorated he's gonna be because he knows every single damn week, guys, I gotta, I got an 85% chance to win this damn game. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Ocho, I think you muted, But this is, I, I, this is a, a no brainer for me, and I know Cleveland fans. Go ahead, Ocho. Yeah, yeah. Hey, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

[Ocho]

Okay, listen, I'm gonna start from the front. I'm gonna start, I'm gonna start from the front, then I'm gonna work on the tail end, right? You think about this. Miles Garrett with the Rams, right?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Think about how many times they're gonna be ahead. He was able to get 23, 25, 23 and a half sacks last year, Uncle Joe. Right?

[Joe]

Huh?

[Ocho]

Always playing from behind. Yeah, he was able to get 23 and a half. Always playing behind. Can you imagine the amount of sacks he's gonna be able to get playing from ahead when he could pin his ears back and just 23.

[Joe]

Ocho, you were right. Not to cut you off. You were right. 23 sacks, not 23 and a half. 23 to the NFL record.

[Ocho]

Okay, okay. Hey, but now every team they play, as great as that offense is with Devonte Adams, Puka, Matt Stafford, now always being able to play from other teams going to be have to play from behind, so they're going to have no choice but to pass. Now, all they got to do now is pin his ears back and just go. Now, one of the things I did say unk is how valuable he was to the Cleveland Browns. So I thought, you know, maybe they wouldn't trade him. But on the, on the other hand, I'm thinking, well, listen, you're finishing last, you're not playing well, you're not winning very many games with him, even though he's probably the best player in the NFL defensively, hands down, why not give him an opportunity? Give him an opportunity to win, Joe. Allow him to go somewhere and to compete for a championship instead of the team being selfish while the value for him is extremely high. And they did just that. And we knew it was going to happen at some point. Uncle, you probably address it a little bit more than I did about when once they, they move the money, I, I, I say it again.

[Joe]

He was supposed to get on March 15, I think he was supposed to get in excess about 20 something million dollars. They moved that to 15 days into the league year, the season. So I'm like, hold on. Yeah, why would you allow them? Unless you get, unless you giving me a, what's that? A return on my money. You give me 10% to defer it even two, three months because they're like, no, no, no, no, we're gonna let somebody else pay that. We not gonna give you that money to get, get you, let you get up out of here. We're gonna let somebody else play that money. So that was a no brainer. And all the Andrew Barry talk. We're not interested. No, no, no, no, no. When you start maneuvering things around, when you go to buy something Ocho, what you do, you know, okay, let me get all my ducks in a row. Let me move this around, make sure I'm up to this right here. Hey, now I can go get what I need to get done. And so I am not surprised by this move and I think it's a great move on both sides because we know the Rams damn them picks.

[Ocho]

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And this, this is the most important thing is for the Cleveland Browns to make sure the picks that you have, you got hit. You got to hit on those picks, you know, and obviously, I mean they're in a tough situation. I'm not sure if they've gotten any better defensively. Getting, getting Jared Verse. He's not Myles Garrett, but he is, he's, he's a quality.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. I think what he was a defensive rookie of the year. I think he's a Pro bowl player. He's a 20, 24 defensive rookie of the year. 99 precious entering the lead. Only Michael Parsons, 119, Miles Garrett, 109 have more. So they, it wasn't like, look, I know the Rams would have loved a paired Miles Garrett with Jerry Verse, but you weren't going to get. And that is what allowed them to get him. And Joe, I know we're going to throw it over you because I know you upset your Cowboys didn't get him, but they had something the Cowboys didn't have. They had a guy that's 24, 25 years of age that's coming up and he's going to want a big contract. Yeah, he's a proven commodity. The Cowboys didn't have that. Now the Eagles had it. The question was, were they willing to part with a Carter or something like that? Maybe they didn't want Carter. We don't know, but we know Jared Verse is a top five defensive end. He's an edge. He's a top five, no matter how you look at it. And so to get him and a guy that probably had a first and a third on him. And so you get. Basically you get, you get Verse, which is a first round pick. You get their first round pick next year. What? Next year? Second in 28 and a third in 29. I think you came out extremely, extremely well in this situation. Joe, how disappointed are you that your Cowboys didn't have the draft capital to go get this thing done? Or maybe they were unwilling to spend the capital. I'm very disappointed, considering the fact that he's still in the nfc. But, but, but listen, here's what I tell y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Joe]

I don't really think it was. I think it was a good trade for the Browns, considering the fact I think they kind of starting over, you know, to get assets, you know what I mean? Look, we've been watching Miles Garrett in Cleveland for what, over nine years? Uncle Ocho, he probably went to the playoffs, what, two or three times? I think twice. Yeah, he playing meaningless football over there, bro.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, let him go. But the one thing that comes with that. And y' all know expectations are a lot different, bro. Yes, absolutely. You know what I mean? Like, we understand how great he is, setting the NFL record in sacks, but at the same time, when you go, when you, when you go into la, obviously they got a high power offense. We know that. But at the same time, them expectations hit a little different fellas.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but hey, hey, Joe, you got to think about it now. We talk about one of the better players, better defensive players in NFL. This is one of the players you can plug and pull on any of the 32 teams, and he gonna do exactly what he does no matter where he's at. If he did what he did on one of the worst teams in the NFL, even though they had a great defense, what you think he gonna do over there in la, which always has a decent defense as well.

[Joe]

Right.

[Ocho]

Adding him to that team takes him, makes them exponentially better. And they're more considered an offensive team as opposed to defense. But the defense ain't bad.

[Joe]

And remember, they make Duffy, they got fists, they got tremendous defensive tackles, Their defensive tackles are great. They're unbelievable. And you got Duffy McDuffie. And think about what they have. And so I think the thing is, in this situation, when you add a player like Miles Garrett to a team like this, what are they Saying he's the missing link. He's the missing piece. That's what you do. Ojo. When the Rams went out and got Matthew Stafford, what did they tell everybody? This is the missing link.

[Ocho]

We. We.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah. So. So basically all they are, all they are saying also Brother Cronky and the fellas, I'm not sure who the GM, who the. Who the the GM is, and Sean McVeigh. This is. This is. This is super bowl or bus, man. This is super bowl of bus. This is all. All my cards, all my chips are at the front of the table. I'm betting the house.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

When you make this kind of move, this is what you're doing. And you know they're going to be in contention as always. The Browns, obviously, they're in the building, a building, building era. They've been building for a very long time and they just haven't seemed to get it right yet with all the first round picks that they've had, you know, to date. Yeah, but they, they got a long way to go.

[Joe]

I think. The thing is, the one thing we know about the Rams, it's been since they made this move. Because if you think about it, they made the move. They go get Matthew Stafford. Kelly doesn't want you to call him, Matt. So Kelly, we gonna appease you. We go call him Matthew. Matthew Stafford. Remember, they traded for Jalen Ramsey. They go get Von Miller. Look at the move. They get Leonard Floyd. Look at the moves that they've made, Ocho. So Joe, basically they said we super bowl of bus every damn year. We don't care if we got no picks until 2030. We worry about 2026. You see the two things. There are two days we can never control. Yesterday and tomorrow. I don't give a damn about tomorrow. What about today? I'm trying to win today. Yeah. I can't do anything about tomorrow. I mean, yesterday, yesterday gone. It's history. Tomorrow's a mystery. Today, today we got Miles Garrett and today. Hey, Seattle. Oh, y' all thought y' all were gonna be comfortable. Y' all thought y' all gonna sit back and then get Skinny Green in our face. San Francisco. Oh, I understand. Yeah, y', all, y' all bought big. Big. That big. That big man back. That left tackle, big Trent. Yeah, he dub. He back. Yeah, but, oh, we got something for y' all ass. You got to see us.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Y' all got to see 95 on a regular occasion. This ain't no well. Oh, man. Damn. Cleveland on the schedule. Yeah, we on the schedule twice. We in the same division. Oh, we. Hey, listen, and they so high power offensively, and with Miles Garrett, it makes them. Ooh, it makes them high power defense. Yes. So they. They. Hey, look, do y' all think they. Y'. All. Y' all think that. That boost them into, like, the favor? Hell, yeah. Absolutely.

[Ocho]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Joe]

And you hold on. And you still. And you still got Puka and you still got devonte. Yeah. You think you. You got. You went out and got a McDuffie because you felt your back end wasn't what it needed to be. So you address that. Hold on. They got somebody else, too. Didn't they get a safety? They got somebody else to add to that second? No, they got Jalen Watson. They got the other corner from Kansas City. Oh, Joe. And Joe. They got both corners. The Raiders, the Rams is. They got Jalen Watson and McDuffie. And now we. Miles Garrett. Oh, we got something for your ass. We got something for y' all stinking ass NFL. Oh, hold on. Guess where the super bowl is. The last time the super bowl was in la, what was it? Oh,

[Ocho]

hey, and listen, there's a good chance, I don't mean to jump the gun. There's a good chance with what they've done in the off season in the draft just now with, with. With Miles Garrett today, there's a good chance that they playing in that super bowl right in their backyard. And it's one more thing. I' ma say it. I'm gonna say it before, before it even happened. Puga Naku is going to be the highest paid non quarterback very, very soon, very soon.

[Joe]

You look at, look at what they got defensively. They got Kobe Turner, Puna Ford, Brandon Fisk, Byron Young, Nate Landman, Landmine Landman, Omar Spates, Miles Garrett, Jalen Watson, Cameron Kitchens, Cam Curl, Trenton Duffy, Quentin Lake. And with that offense, we mentioned Puka, we mentioned devonte. You got Matthew Stafford, you got Kyron Williams running the football,

[Ocho]

but it boy is nasty.

[Joe]

Hey, how they gonna be? Don't worry. Don't worry about that. Hey, hey, hey, A.D. what you got going on? I see, I see, I see your ig. Now, don't think I don't see what you do it on ig. Come on, come on, come on.

[Ocho]

I got a question. If Aaron Donald decides to come back, even though he's been relaxing for two years, if he decided to. I'm gonna make one more run at it. I'm gonna try to make one more run at it.

[Joe]

What'd you mean?

[Ocho]

You know what But, I mean, Aaron Donald coming back? He might. I'm just saying he might. I wouldn't be surprised if he does, based on what they. Based on what they've done. I mean, they're. They're. They're. They're constructed to win a Super bowl this year, Joe. Hey, you got Miles Garrett. You add Aaron Donald. You know it. Oh, my.

[Joe]

I mean, just let AD continue to chill and work out. Four days ago, ISO and Joe, Aaron Donald posted a workout video with the caption hashtag ready? And the song ain't done. We can't play the song. So, Chad, use your imagination. Now I'm gonna put 99 and 95. Now, I will put. I will put 95. I will put 99 in that. Undertake that. That shade. That three tech. Yeah. Yes, sir. Cause you know Miles Gary, all he do is go up and down the line, turning on the door handle, see which one open. Hey, you know, when you was a kid, you used to go up. Hey, I would. This type of kid. But you pull on your hand and see what call open. And maybe you go in there, gamble or something. You know what I'm saying? That's all Miles Garrett do. Hold on. You dummy. You ain't lock your door. I'm gonna stand right here. I'm coming right here. Now, can you imagine if Miles Garrett and Aaron Donald both line up over the guards? Nah, we can't imagine it. No. Hell no, we can't imagine it. Come on. Come on, man. Y' all doing too much now.

[Ocho]

I know. It's not. It's not us. It's not us, Joe. It's not us. Organization that's doing too much. That's them. Matter of fact, think about this. Hey, Unc and Joe. Think about how versatile. Miles.

[Joe]

Yeah. You can line up. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Think about how many positions. Think about how many. How many play how many positions he can play on the field. He can stand up. He can go down. He can be three techniques.

[Joe]

Play the five, he can play seven. He can get the wide nine. He can line up over the center. Yeah, Joe, he that versatile, man.

[Ocho]

Listen. Hey, Joe, if they add Aaron Donald and bring Aaron Donald back, man, listen here, man.

[Joe]

What you saying? I sure hope they play the Cowboys. What I'm saying is that I hope they play the Cowboys. Damn. What you got going on? That one I'm hoping.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Joe]

Ojo me, you gonna be good.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, they play the Cowboys. I'll be on the ponier. Hey, hey. Oo ain't gonna be. He ain't gonna Be able to join you and have no fun. Well, you have something too. When you have you be done drink your whole bottle by the time you come on Nightcap. Cause your left tackle go have a. So a. He gonna get told out the frame.

[Ocho]

Hey, left tackle, left guard, right guard.

[Joe]

If. Hey, listen, it's gonna be hell with my there. But if you. If AD Come back too. Come on, man. Come on, bro. I think the thing, like, the thing is that when. If you're a player on this team and you see how they are invested, that they do everything. You know, some teams talk about, you know, we trying to compete, but you don't go get the pieces is necessary.

[Ocho]

They just talk.

[Joe]

The one thing you. Hey, since Sean McVeigh and Les Lee got there. Got there. I mean, Sean McVeigh was like this when he went to that super bowl and he lost 13 to 3 to the. To the Patriots. He said, never again will I only score 30. This offense is too potent. We're a quarterback away now. Matthew Stafford won the MVP in year 18. What? In year 18, year 17. I mean, I think he was 2009 because Megatron was 2008. So just. Yeah, so he's like. So he's still playing at elite. Elite. Elite level. And he still got those two guys. And think about it. Devonte got kind of nicked down the end. So Devonte didn't play like the. The last two or three games. You. Yeah, the other 17. So this is 18. Yeah. So when you look at it and you look at what they've done, they don't guarantee it. But I like this because I don't think any of these pieces are forced. This is a natural fit. They play. They play an overfront. Miles Garrett can play his customary position. I like their defense. They got defensive tackles that can get up the field in a hurry. They can run game. Miles Garrett, we know, can line up anywhere on the defensive line, and you got hell on, man.

[Ocho]

Hey, it's going to be ugly.

[Joe]

That's going to be.

[Ocho]

I. I knew it was going to happen, Joe. I didn't know what team it would. I didn't know what team would actually get him.

[Joe]

I didn't. I didn't see the damn Rams getting him. I felt it would happen, too, Uncle Ocho, considering the fact that, you know, Miles Garrett is probably at his most valuable right now, coming off the sack record. Like, if you. If you. The Browns. Yeah. You want to package that up, man, he can't. I mean, he. He can't determine the outcome of a Game, you know what I mean? In Cleveland. So I think this was a good move by Cleveland, by the Browns. But this makes the Rams hella scary. The only thing that concerns you is injury if they stay healthy. This is not. I know everybody say this is not the Philadelphia Eagles where they go out and they get all these guys and everybody talking about, you know, and you heard Vince, you only talk about dream team. That is not what this is. We're talking about proving commodities. Matthew Stafford is coming off an MVP season. Puka Nakua was in running for the offensive player of the year. He led the league in receptions. Devontae Adams led the league in touchdown reception touchdowns. Kyron Williams ran the ball over 111200 yards. So this is not force. And you got a defense, you gotta. This. He's not a system guy. Miles Garrett is your damn system. Facts, facts. Ocho told you he can do it all. If you played him in a 3, 4, he could stand up and rush. You could put him in, Play him in the three, four and play him at the five, you could play him in a seven, ten, you could play him at a nine. A cowboy, you can play him in a short nine or wide nine. Yeah, it don't matter. He's that, he's that. He ain't no systems like some quarterback quarter I got. I can't. I gotta play zone coverage or I gotta play man coverage. That is not Myles Garrett. He is the preeminent defensive player in all of football. Whoever your favorite defensive player is, he's not better than Miles Garrett. Hey, to go from the Browns to. To go to. From Cleveland to la. Oh, my God.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. Do you feel a little bad for Jared Verse? Going from la, knowing you're going to be in contention week in and week out, you have a chance.

[Joe]

Hold on, hold on.

[Ocho]

Now he has to go to Cleveland.

[Joe]

Hold on. He from Ohio, though. That'll mean you want to go back there. Hell, I see you from Arkansas, you ain't trying to go back there live. Yeah, but when I go. But when I do go to Arkansas, I enjoy because I'm from. You go to visit, how long you stay? I would typically say ojo. You see him rubbing his head. Oh, Joe. You see him rub his head.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, hey. It's a different ball game. It's a different ball game. So I mean, I mean, listen, listen. Some people, you know, as fans, the first thing they'll say, well, you're still making millions of dollars, but when you want to. When you're competing, you want to Compete at the highest level and actually want a chance to win. And they come from an environment to come from a culture like that that is consistently. And everything is aligned with winning from top to bottom. I mean, you got to feel some kind of way. But listen, he can go up there, he can go over there and make a difference. I'm not going to say. I'm not going to say Jared versus going to make them forget Miles Garrett, but he's no slouch. He's going to be one of those players that you can plug and pull. And they might not. They might not miss a beat defensively because that's just how good he is. Not saying he's Mal Garrett, but he ain't no goddamn.

[Joe]

No. I mean. I mean, he got 12 sacks. He a defensive rookie of the year year. That says something that he's a proven. And he's in line for a big contract. He's gonna get paid. And the thing that Miles and. And Miles was like, yes, the money is great. 40 million is great. But, man, I take the field and I already know we not we. I ain't got no chance unless I get 12 sacks and a scoop and get two scooping scores and lead to big sixes. We not winning. Because offensively, that's how challenged do we. We are as great as Cleveland work defensively, Ocho and Joe, they ain't got no chance of winning. Who we kidding? Nobody got to put up points. And so Cleveland looking at like, look, we paying a guy $40 million for what? As great as he is, and he's deserving, he's earned that. But we can't win. We can finish in dead last and pay $10 million for Jared verse until he gets that big contract. Because his contract coming, he gonna be in the 40. The 40. Meals also. Yeah. Cleveland know. They know what they gotta do. Yeah. And I think Verse probably about four to five years younger than Miles Gary. Yeah. I think Miles about to turn 30 or just turned 30 versus what, 24? Yeah, I think he about 24. 25 versus 25. Be 25. Miles got to be 29. 30. 30. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Look. Yeah, you gotta. You still gotta play the games. But I tell you what, other than Seattle, who would you rather be? Let's be all the way real. Because you make it seem like they were not on the cusp. They were in the championship. They wouldn't. Didn't they go to the championship game last year? Didn't Seattle beat them in the championship game?

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

So they were right to Begin with, it's not Ocho. It's not like there's some of these teams, like they go load up and they get five, six, seven, eight, nine guys, and they were. They didn't even win the division. They weren't even in the playoffs. The Rams, remember a couple years ago, they gave Philly the toughest test of all. The playoffs. Look, it's. It's crazy, man. It's. It's crazy. But take your hat off to stand crocky, to give it less need and those guys over there the ability. If you think it can help us win a championship, go get it done. Oh, yeah, we'll figure out. Hey, we'll figure out how to pay for this issue later, right? Hey, we put that thing on layaway. Hey, hey, hey. With the super bowl being back in la, they trying to make sure they.

[Ocho]

There's a good chance to leave.

[Joe]

As a matter of fact, the whole play I run on you, I ain't trying to leave. I ain't trying to leave la.

[Ocho]

Hey, home field advantage, huh?

[Joe]

I'm trying to stay right here.

[Ocho]

Hey, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, don't be surprised if 99 come out of retirement now.

[Joe]

Man, that's gonna be too wild, bro.

[Ocho]

Hey, super, super wild.

[Joe]

Think about it. Miles Gary probably. He probably ain't got to deal with all them double teams and stuff. Oh, hell no. No, no. And it's not. Hey, Fisk a hellraiser too. That D tackle they got, I think he from Florida State. Yeah, he ain't. He ain't nothing to play with. He ain't nothing to play with. And landmine that linebacker. They good. They good. And I think. I think. I think they got better on the edges. McDuffie gonna need to focus back in. He kind of lost his way a little bit. Ocho, I don't know if it was the contract or what was going on, but Seattle, I mean, Seattle, the Chiefs, they normally don't let them corner the corners. Get to that second contract. Oo. I think they. I think they had Ward. I think they might have paid Ward. But remember, they let Sneed go.

[Ocho]

They let Duffy go to Tennessee.

[Joe]

Cook, I think Cook. And now he's in with you guys. Oo in Cincinnati with.

[Ocho]

With us. Yeah.

[Joe]

So it's like, look, we play, we. We don't go past the linebackers as far as pay because, I mean, at one point in time, remember, they signed Honey Badger to a big time deal and then they brought Justin Reed in. Then they let Justin Reed go Cause they get drafted, these guys and these guys started playing well, you can't pay everybody. When you got Patrick Mahomes and you got these guys and you got Kelsey and you got some of these offensive linemen that's making. And you got Chris Jones and you got Kalovsky or Kaloftis, it's just hard to. Joe, I can't pay everybody. I already know. Yeah, that's what everybody tends to run into. Yes. You know, you. Hey, when you had these great teams and you have to start paying people, it starts to, you know, it starts to mess up the team. So you have to figure that out. You have to position yourself well. And that's probably why the Chiefs don't pay none of them corners, huh? Yeah, that's why they don't pay none of them corners. They. They use it. They use that for. For the mother. Look, you're not gonna have to. You're not gonna have to hold up long because we bring, you know, we trust bags. Spags gonna bring pressure. Spags is a pressure. Yeah, we love to play man coverage. He. And, and, and, and when he feels threatened or he feels you're trying to get into his position to kick a field goal, he coming to blow everything up. He's coming with a bomb blitz. Yeah, it. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Every time.

[Joe]

Every time he's coming, he's bringing. So just so you know, if you threaten him, he's coming with the bomb. He's gonna blow it up.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And. And the funny thing about it is, is the Chiefs have done very well. Hit on all cylinders with them. Yes. And allowing them. Because they've had success with them, they allow them to go and, and, and get those contracts elsewhere because we feel, you know what, we can plug and play someone else here and just teach them exactly what to do, because our money is on the front end. It's up front. And we. We feel we can get somebody to replace you anyway. And that, that, honestly, that's their. That's their process. That's the. That's the way they think they are.

[Joe]

Because if you look at it, Ocho, you look at. They drafted Chris Jones, they drafted coloftus, they drafted McDuffie, they drafted Watson, they drafted all these young players, and they hit on them. And so when you draft and you have that kind of success, you're like, you know what? Hey, hell, we'll draft another one. What the hell? We got overpay for this one. Just go draft another one. The only, the only thing that they're going to constantly overpay is 1 5. Yeah. You're gonna pay him.

[Ocho]

He worth every penny.

[Joe]

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