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Deebo Samuel
Oh, my goodness. CJ Stroud on his shorter haircut.
Joe Hayden
Say my boy.
Deebo Samuel
CJ Stroud and the reaction to it. Here it is. We got the sign. I honestly didn't see the reactions. I mean, I was told that people thought I was, like, depressed or, like, that I was like. I wasn't. I was doing okay, But I've been thinking about cutting my hair for a long time. And I was actually gonna do it much prior, but I just didn't know how my helmet was gonna fit, so. Nothing really too serious. I mean, I'm kind of used to this haircut. It's how I grew up. The dreads were kind of a new thing, so. But, you know, I hate everything in my life. It's so public, but. And people just have narratives, but it's the life I've chosen to live, so it's all good. But, yeah, I like my haircut.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, cj, me too. What you got to say, Debo?
Deebo Samuel
I don't know. Play that again. I wanna. I wanna point out something. Play it again. One more time. Point out. I honestly didn't see the reactions. I mean, I was told that people thought I was, like, depressed or like, that. I was like. I wasn't. I was doing okay, but I've been thinking about cutting my hair for a long time. Stop it. What did he say, Joe?
Joe Hayden
He was doing okay.
Deebo Samuel
I was doing okay. Come on, bro, you know what that mean. How you doing, Joe? I'm doing okay.
Joe Hayden
I'm fucked up.
Deebo Samuel
I just ain't telling you. I just ain't telling you, right? No, I say, Joe, you say, deebo, how you doing? I said, man, I'm doing good, bro. Blessed. Hey, I'm doing okay.
Joe Hayden
Nope.
Deebo Samuel
Ah, that's man language for I ain't doing too good, but I'm doing good enough. It's something there, but I ain't.
Joe Hayden
It ain't. It ain't.
Deebo Samuel
It ain't enough for me to say nothing about it. I'm just saying, I mean, I know. I understand, like, you know, the concept of, you know, women cutting their hair, you know, and all that. That's, you know, it's more geared towards, you know, the belief that, you know, when a woman cuts her hair, like, it's some, you know, some man problems going. There's something going on. She having some issues or whatever. Da, da, d. I don't really believe that for a guy, but he said those words. Okay, that's. Hey, bro, how you doing? Oh, I'm doing okay. Yeah. You know, that's the lie, bro. No, man. How you really doing, bro? Come on, talk to me. Okay, okay. No, I was doing okay. I don't know. I'm just. I'm just, you know.
Joe Hayden
I know. There you go. You were.
Deebo Samuel
I just Want to make sure my
Joe Hayden
man CJ is doing great.
Deebo Samuel
He said, okay, I saw him.
Joe Hayden
I saw him. I talked to him. I hollered at him this off season, you know what I'm saying? I saw him two times. Definitely holler at him. Talk to him. Cause he already told me how he was feeling about a couple of things that we said on the show about him. You know what I'm saying? Hit me up offline.
Deebo Samuel
Well, tell him. Come on. We always talking conversation.
Joe Hayden
A thousand percent. Come on. He was a thousand percent. Come on.
Deebo Samuel
Yes, sir.
Joe Hayden
But I would say honestly with this one, I think it's people always, like you said, judging into stuff. When you say, like you said, okay, he wasn't doing the best. He didn't have the best season, so he's not gonna be. Yeah, I was doing great, like, you know what I'm saying? He was doing okay. You know what I'm saying? Like, football wasn't going the way that he exactly wanted.
Deebo Samuel
No, it don't, Joe. I don't care if I go out there and get. And get ran over three times and scored on four. I'm still doing great.
Joe Hayden
I hear you, Debo, but I was just saying it's my boy, and I, I. I don't know.
Deebo Samuel
I'm lying to you. I'mma tell him right then, man.
Joe Hayden
I'm up. You gonna come on, Debo. You coming on? Yes. You coming out the blue tent. You. You up. You out here lying, you know what I'm saying?
Deebo Samuel
I ain't even gonna lie to you, man. I don't even bet y'.
Podcast Host
All.
Deebo Samuel
Y' all get the license plate on that damn truck or what.
Joe Hayden
Yes, but for real, my man cj,
Deebo Samuel
Honestly, bro, he looked. Yeah, he looked totally different.
Joe Hayden
He looks different. He looked good. He's cut. He cut his hair. It's a new look. And especially when you're talking about the helmet. When you were younger. I was younger, my dad kept me with the low haircut. My mom and dad would never let me grow my hair. I couldn't grow my hair until I got out of their house. So when I got to the league, grew my hair a little bit. So then I ended up cutting it because I was like, yeah, it's smooth, but once you get older, it's more like, you know what I'm saying? A nice fade, you know what I'm saying? Chilling, like, on your grown man. So it's just each his own. You can have dreads, you can do all that, Whatever you want. You know what I'm Saying, I know some dudes like Devonte Adams, long haired grown man, still does like, still carries himself very well. Larry Fitzgerald, know what I'm saying? Long dreads wouldn't challenge mature grown man. But dude, you can switch your look up and you want to just chop your hair off and do what you want. You know what I'm saying? So I think I was up.
Deebo Samuel
I'd cut mine. I cut mine off.
Joe Hayden
Sometimes it gets to a point and it can't grow back.
Deebo Samuel
No, no, I didn't care. I ain't. Listen, Joe, I ain't know my hair. I know. I know my. I know my top was getting light until I was like 30, 132, something like that. And I let it grow back and I'm like, nice. I'm feeling some air up here. It's getting light up top. I'm like, like, damn that. So you know what I did? I had to go. You went. I had to put that beige dark in that top. I had to darken that top. I had to darken that top. So I was down bad. I only did a couple times, though. I let it go, though. It got.
Joe Hayden
Okay, you can't have too much Beijing because that thing get the sweat dripping down. You get. You can't be outside. You can't get.
Deebo Samuel
No, I ain't. I ain'. I ain't leaving in there. I ain't leaving in there like that. And you know, trying to go to practice and have it dripping down.
Joe Hayden
You had to call those boozer when he was playing with the Bulls. Boy, that joint had the matte black,
Deebo Samuel
man, inside of the helmet be black when them boys was doing them.
Joe Hayden
You know, somebody got the Beijing coming down. Coming down your forehead.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, you know?
Joe Hayden
Yeah, like that, boy.
Deebo Samuel
Sweating down the side.
Joe Hayden
Jalen Brown, man, you see, he. He left. He left the print on the man jersey on the. Lay the Beijing off of them. Yep. So you got to be careful with that, Jing. You got to be careful.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, yeah. So I, I did mine out of like just not having to have somebody cut my hair. Because you know, if I ain't gotta have nobody cut my hair, I can save that money, you know what I'm saying? Because I ain't have it, Joe. I still ain't got it. That's why I stay bald right now, man. I gotta cut. I gotta cut it myself, bro.
Joe Hayden
I gotta. Gotta make sure saved is a penny earned. So that just don't mean you. You just stacking. Stacking chips, bro.
Deebo Samuel
I'm starving out here, man. I'm trying. I'm trying to. I'm still holding on to my lunch money from the.
Joe Hayden
My man cj. We gonna watch him this year come through contract ready to go with the fade. Going crazy.
Deebo Samuel
We gonna see. Okay, we're gonna see.
Joe Hayden
That's what I'm thinking.
Deebo Samuel
I mean, I think. I think. I think. I think. I think he gonna have to play this whole thing out before they give him any paper, but we gonna see this year.
Joe Hayden
He gonna spaz. I'm calling it.
Deebo Samuel
Listen, man. KYLER Murray and JJ McCarthy on their relationship with one another so far. Like, it's. You listen to me. You tell me what you hearing in this play. That for us.
Podcast Host
Please describe your relationship with J.J. to this point.
Deebo Samuel
It's been great. It's been great. Obviously, I know he's a younger guy, so any. Any way I can help him. Obviously, I feel like, you know, I've played seven years now, going on eight, so I'm considered a veteran, even though I don't see myself as that. Give him any knowledge that he needs. Again, you know, we're both competitors, and I know, you know, we both want what's best for the team.
Podcast Host
Has he been receptive to hearing?
Deebo Samuel
Of course. Of course. Yeah, he's. No. He's overly acceptive, you know, and he's. He's always communicating, asking questions, stuff like that, so it's been good. Jj, what's your relationship been like with Kyler so far? You know, it's just like two guys in a classroom. You know, he sits on one side, I sit on the other side, and it's the coach's responsibility to teach us and coach us.
Joe Hayden
So is there any awkwardness, like, between you two? Awkwardness?
Deebo Samuel
You know, it's just like the same feeling, you know, when you're in high school and there's another person on the other side of the room. That's just kind of how it is. So I wouldn't say there's any awkwardness.
Joe Hayden
That was awkward.
Deebo Samuel
Hey, Joe. Hey.
Joe Hayden
That was super awkward.
Deebo Samuel
What you say, Joe?
Joe Hayden
That was awkward right there. Cause, yeah, you know, when you pull two people apart at a crime scene, instantly you might get two different stories. Like, I'd hope they had talked a little, I mean, before the question. Cause if he would have saw or at least been sitting there watching his answer, and then they asked him the same question, he was like this. Well, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's been. But, nah, I'm gonna come on here and tell him how I feel about it. We in high school, fool. I got this dude sitting all the way across the room, and I know we competing and we don't really, like, say too much to each other. My man, Kyler Murray came in there. Yeah, he's super receptive. Like me and him sitting next to each other, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, sharing him my notes, and he shared me his notes. I was like, dang, that was two different stories I just heard. I'm loving my man Kyler Murray took the professional, I've been in the league a long time route. I'm ready to come in here, you know what I'm saying? Be a pro, be a vet. You know what I'm saying? But JJ was like, what we're doing is, yeah, we're battling. It's another man in the room. He's trying to take my spot, you know what I'm saying? I see him and, yeah, it just is what it is. That was real blatant, like, okay, this is college, you know what I'm saying? I see another competitor versus me. I'm in a quarterback competition. I don't see no vet over here. I'm not trying to learn nothing from him. He may need to come over here and ask me to come look at my notes, you know what I'm saying? Cause they done got you up out of Arizona. You coming over to my spot, trying to take my stuff. Your competition. This isn't no big bro, little bro situation. So I feel like JJ's coming with that energy. Kyler Murray's coming with, all right, you know what I'm saying? I'm a vet, you know what I'm saying? If he needs me, I'm here. You know, I'm just trying to be. It is what it is. I'm still trying to.
Deebo Samuel
He said something like he had already leaned on him a little to ask or something. I thought that's what I heard to some extent. Could you play that again? One more time? Just, just, just, Just what Kyler said. Please.
Joe Hayden
Kyler was going big. Broski, describe your relationship with JJ to this point.
Deebo Samuel
It's been great. It's been great. Obviously, I know he's a younger guy, so any, Any way I can help him. Obviously, I feel like, you know, I've played seven years now going on eight, so I'm considered a veteran, even though I don't see myself as that. Give him any knowledge that he needs again, you know, we're both competitors, and I know, you know, we both won with specialty.
Joe Hayden
Okay, maybe he Said receptive. He was asking. Because it was the next question when they said, has he been receptive? And then he was like, yeah. I mean, that's the question. Like, they try to lead him on. Like, have you tried to give him any advice? He's like. He's probably saying, like, if I would have, I think he would take it. But I don't know. Nah, Like, I'm not asking for nothing.
Deebo Samuel
No, listen. But listen, J.J. mcCarthy.
Joe Hayden
It's okay. I want.
Deebo Samuel
Hey. He said, look here, I eat a sandwich before I let you give me a piece of your peanut butter and jelly. Oh, you on that side, and I'm on this side. Okay, that's it. That's all that's coming in. Coach got to bring us together. I don't know you, you don't know me.
Joe Hayden
Okay, Battling.
Deebo Samuel
You done came in here. Y' all know I done through. What is it? 11 touchdowns and 12 interceptions in 10 games. I got 57 completion percentage, and I'm a 72.6 on. On the passer. Everything. He do better than me. And then the stuff that I do do good, he do better than me anyway. Running the ball, extending the play, using his feet. He faster than me. What you mean? And he doesn't answer the question better than me. And when I see this, I' ma lose my on this, too. So I might have to run over there and swing on him. I'm just saying. The reporter went on ahead and set this up, man. It's the same dude, man.
Joe Hayden
He knew what he was doing, Debo.
Deebo Samuel
He knew what he was doing.
Joe Hayden
He knew what he was doing, man. I appreciate Kyler Murray giving the professional answer. He's ready to go in there as a quarterback competition, you know what I'm saying? As the vet, J.J. mcCarthy.
Deebo Samuel
Is J.J. saying, this is mine. I don't need no information from him. As a matter of fact, if he come over here asking for anything from me, I ain't getting.
Joe Hayden
Hurry up.
Deebo Samuel
It better look.
Joe Hayden
This could either come back.
Deebo Samuel
He on that side of the room, I'm on this side, you. It's only three quarterbacks in the room.
Joe Hayden
The quarterbacks.
Deebo Samuel
Why is y' all so far you
Joe Hayden
say it like that?
Deebo Samuel
Obviously, I'm on one side, he on the other side. We in high school, bro. In high school.
Joe Hayden
Yes.
Deebo Samuel
I'm looking at the cat that was behind me is you ain't got nothing coming. Like, I'm that. I'm that dude, bro. Like, what is you talking, bro?
Joe Hayden
Yes, bro. McCarthy was pissed you getting in the game.
Deebo Samuel
If we Blow somebody out, Joe. And I don't feel. I done got 300 by. I done got 300 yards and 15 tackles by the third quarter.
Joe Hayden
Brody. I don't know. He.
Deebo Samuel
He.
Joe Hayden
He's a. He's upset, man.
Deebo Samuel
Listen, he should have said something about his girl softball team on that one. Like. Like y' all boy did over here. Like, he should have brought something else into that conversation before he. I'm on one, Joe. I'm on one side, he on the other.
Joe Hayden
That's what I'm trying to say. Yes, Debo. He wants all of that smoke. He's just. Yeah, I'm. Because. Because what do he want? That's what I'm saying.
Deebo Samuel
He played like hot garbage last year. He don't want that, do you? Look at college.
Joe Hayden
I feel you. I'm.
Deebo Samuel
He's scared, bro. He's scared. He nervous right now. Y' all done brought him in here. Yeah.
Joe Hayden
Yep.
Deebo Samuel
Y' all gonna do that to me?
Joe Hayden
Yeah. Speaking very like you expect. You're speaking very highly of yourself, jj. So we need to see you go out there and go crazy then.
Deebo Samuel
He ain't speaking highly of himself. I think he's just not speaking highly of their relationship and the.
Joe Hayden
The.
Deebo Samuel
The. The co Mingling or. Or. Or camaraderie that's supposed to be there when. Cause he's looking at it as straight out what it is. This. This dude is competition. They trying to have him take my spot. He on one side, I'm on the other side. You wanna. Don't tell me nothing. Cause I ain't gonna believe nothing you telling me. Because whatever you telling me, you probably telling me to give me some messed up information. And I ain't gonna tell you nothing if you messing up. If the coach don't tell you. So don't come over here looking for nothing.
Joe Hayden
If Kyler Murray is honestly coming into there like a good vet and trying to look out for jj, who getting paid more? Oh, probably JJ by a little bit because Kyler Murray came there for what was like. How much did Kyler murray get paid?
Deebo Samuel
1 point something. Kyler Murray got a guarantee.
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Deebo Samuel
Then they got he getting a guarantee. He already got it.
Joe Hayden
He getting paid for Arizona. I'm talking about. He can pay for Minnesota. Yes.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, he only get a little bit of chance.
Joe Hayden
That's what I'm talking about.
Deebo Samuel
But in his mind, like, yo, they getting him for this much, they might get him a friendly deal if he come in there and play good enough and make jj.
Joe Hayden
I'm just saying, with jj, you could be looking at it the same way. Say, when they had Kirk Cousins came to Atlanta, when they had the young bull, and would he still be looking at Kirk Cousins like, no, he's sitting on one side. Even Kirk Cousins. I'm like, is Kyler Murray coming in with the. I know it's a competition, obviously. I've been in the league for seven years. I know what it is. But we going to come out here and battle. But, like, I'm not going to give you bad information. So if you need anything from me, I'm here. You know what I'm saying? But we still going to be out there on the field. It is what it is, you know what I'm saying? And I'm looking at JJ like he's young in the league. Like, hasn't experienced a real quarterback battle. Like, where at the end of the day, grown men coming in there. He knows what it is. He knows the business of the league. Jj, like, bump that. It's another quarterback. I don't care who you are. I'm not listening to you. We're in competition. So I'm like, depending on how the vet comes in, like, man, bump this young bull. You know what I'm saying? I'm not teaching you nothing. So then JJ could be able to be like, nah, he's sitting on the other room. I'm sitting on one side. So it's kind of like your way. Your perception is your reality. If you like this. No, he's sitting on the other side because you're not trying to vibe with him. You want some, man? No, I don't need nothing from you, fool. We in competition here. You trying to come take my spot. They think it's sweet, you know what I'm saying? Where the vets coming in? Obviously I know I'm coming in to come try to be in a quarterback competition with you. You're the young dude that they drafted. I was that guy. I got a big contract now I'm trying to re. Get myself right into the league. So I'm going to do everything I got to do to try to be successful knowing that you're. When you're in a situation that I was in back in the day. So I'm not going to try to hinder your growth, you know what I'm saying? But if you just going to be real, man, bump you non respectful. Like when I came into the league as a corner, I'm looking at Sheldon Brown and E. Wright still with respect. Even though I know it was the first round pick. I'm like, I'm trying to get right, prove myself, do my stuff right. Like asking them the questions of like, y', all. Y' all been in this game longer than me. Like, what do you see? You know what I'm saying? Like, that's like, okay and then.
Deebo Samuel
But Joey, you talking about you coming in as a young dude, man, and them already being there. He's there. I'm the starter. I'm the young dude. And then you go and grab somebody and now this is the dude coming in.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, okay. Okay.
Deebo Samuel
Help me. I was the starter. I'm the dude. Why is y' all bringing anybody else in here that y' all looking at that could possibly take my spot? Because I'm supposed to be look that dude.
Joe Hayden
Because I've been playing because I've been playing kind of cheese. So maybe this bet that been through, we gonna, both of us, we gonna be in the competition regardless. He's not going nowhere. So let's see what's going on. Let me try to get. Get the best that I can while I'm peeping. What's going on? Taking the good, not the bad. Like, if he, if you see something that he like the way of his game, the way he studies some stuff, you could, it could open up some windows to you. If he does things you don't like, keep your own vibes. But like, still, he has been in the league seven years. This is only your second year. There is things that like vets do where you can just being in the league for a couple of years that you could learn off of them.
Deebo Samuel
Listen, man, they didn't want to hear
Joe Hayden
none of that though from that interview.
Deebo Samuel
He ain't hearing none of that. He ain't listening to Nathan, Nathaniel, nothing. Nada.
Joe Hayden
Yes, okay.
Deebo Samuel
It's between him and God and he ain't asking Kyler Murray damn thing.
Joe Hayden
That's facts, okay? That's right.
Deebo Samuel
Drug free sprinters win enhanced games and deliver a message to anyone looking for a shortcut. Drugs aren't going to give you an advantage if you're not willing to, to put in the work. Joe, they got the enhanced games. I guess they was letting these boys use steroids or you could use steroids. You didn't have to use steroids. But I guess most of the athletes that won, if not all of that, all of them, I guess assumingly they said they didn't. Yeah, all of them. All the natural athletes didn't that didn't take the steroids actually won the events. They were hoping like to have all these record breaking events and all this other stuff.
Joe Hayden
They had one. Yeah, one. It was a swimmer like a 50 freestyle. But they are not gonna make it an official record, you know what I'm saying? Because obviously he was on that. Yeah.
Deebo Samuel
Sauce one out of what?
Joe Hayden
I, I don't. They did the lifting, they did the running and they did swimming.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, I don't, I don't think you're going to get what they were looking for because the actual athletes that train at that level to break like world records aren't using steroids. So you can't get them to go and be like, hey, it's the hands games coming up. Use these steroids. Just go be okay for this. They could never get back into that, you know that, that, that sport again. Especially like if they're taking like hormones like that. Like it kills your natural ability to produce. So once they start some of that, you can't even stop. Once you, once you start like it's over with.
Joe Hayden
The thing, the thing with these drugs and stuff is when it comes to people think if you're just a regular person and you just take the steroids, you're automatically going to be unbelievable athlete. That's why when you see like Marion Jones or Lance Armstrong, you already have to be basically cream of the crop. And then when these people start taking that stuff, that's when you start.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, you start adding that, you start
Joe Hayden
to get that cheat code. You start to get the extra. When you already are basically like the creme de La creme. Like you already can basically beat records. You're coming in third place, you know what I'm saying? In the world. Second place in the world running track, or you're in the NBA and literally you're like, maybe not the best player, but you damn near. You're making all star teams. These people, when they start taking those drugs and these are making those steroids, they're already working to that level to be the best, and then they're able to go, boom. You just don't do it because you are a normal person now you take it, it's going to make you be able to get crazier than what you were possibly going to be. But when you're the best of the best already, and these people, like the track runners with my girl back in the day, like Flo Jo, all them, she was the best of the best. Now she's taking it. She's smoking girls by a whole second. Like, that's when it happens. If you're saying Bolt were to do it, you know what I'm saying? Then you're seeing records being shattered because you just can't be a normal person and do it and then start again. I think you already can be. Like, if you're good, if you're pros, then it's going to make a major difference. That's just in my opinion.
Deebo Samuel
Oh, yeah, no question. I mean, look at, look at baseball. When all them boys you got, you got, you got bonds and McGuire, all them boys. So them boys started bombing them homers. Listen, man, they already had the hand eye coordination. Now you put muscle into the, into these. Like,
Joe Hayden
even with bodybuilding, too, they know
Deebo Samuel
the sweet spot, all that. And now they swinging with. With 30, 40, 50, 60, 70% more power, man. The skin off that damn ball.
Joe Hayden
You ain't looking, bro.
Deebo Samuel
I wish, Joe. How much faster could you have been, man, if you, if you had a little bit of that sauce?
Joe Hayden
I don't, man. I. I would have been crazier, but that's. I just. I'd have been crazier, but I was. Yeah, that's. I never was interested in none of that stuff, bro.
Deebo Samuel
Oh, yeah. Listen, though, I know your hip might have been tore off right now, though. Your hip might be dead by now. Yes, you might have had to get a replacement by now if you did some of that sauce.
Joe Hayden
Yep, that was. Tore my bone. My bone density up.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, dude, it was. It was a bodybuilder. 22, dude, just passed. I want to say it was like last week sometime. Dude, he had. Yeah, he had a. He had, like, a heart condition. I think it was, like, a genetic car condition already. But when you start, you know, you start asking, you start adding, you know, steroids to that combination. Like, you adding more stress to it. I mean, they don't know exactly what it was yet. I don't think they got the report horseback yet, but. Dude was only 22. Dude. He was. I think he was prepping for a show or something. Like, you got a lot of these cats that's starting to, like. Like, go away. Like. Like, they get into that. That prep mode, dude, and they. Boy, they. When I say they stacking, bro. Oh, my goodness, Lord. Jimmy Christmas, bro. Like, they taking what your body could naturally produce, like, in a year. They taking that week.
Joe Hayden
Nope. My dad was down that bodybuilding, but he was just straight, natural, bro. That's why I love my pops. He got super swole. No drinking, no smoking, no nothing straight. We was on creatine, and he was taking them fish oil.
Deebo Samuel
That creatine, bro, that creatine put like, 30, 40 pounds.
Joe Hayden
That's why I was getting super. That's why I was benching, like, I was debo. Throwing up that 185. 185. 40 times.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Joe Hayden
40 times. 40 times.
Deebo Samuel
Yo, yo, your body weight, Victim weight.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, I'm walking around a solid 183 right now. 183.
Deebo Samuel
183. That's. That's solid.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, 183 solid. That was my plan. That was my plan.
Deebo Samuel
Wait. Oh, that was a playing way. It don't look the same. I ain't gonna lie to you. Yeah, it looks. It looks a little.
Joe Hayden
A little bit different.
Deebo Samuel
It looks a little rounded.
Joe Hayden
You shut your mouth. You know, You're a liar.
Deebo Samuel
I'm just saying, Joe, when. When you get, you know, you get a little older, things get a little different if you ain't, you know, putting in that work, you know what I'm saying? Like, you still want to be bumpy. I call it bumpy, you know what I'm saying? One had knots and everywhere be bumpy, you know what I'm saying? You want to be bumpy, you know what I'm saying? Just be bumpy everywhere, you know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying. So.
Joe Hayden
All right.
Deebo Samuel
You just want to. You just want to be bumpy, Joe. You just want to be bumpy, you know what I'm saying? They call me.
Joe Hayden
They call me acting like Mom. You keep acting like you Keep acting like my job, like I'm not rock. Hey, man, keep them clean.
Deebo Samuel
You keep them clean, though.
Joe Hayden
Yes, sir. Hey, what's up, brother?
Deebo Samuel
Joe, they call me lately. Joe, they call me. I'm a merciful man. They call me Bumpy Johnson, Joey. Hey, I'm a merciful man.
Joe Hayden
Whatever you talking about, man.
Deebo Samuel
All right, all right.
Joe Hayden
Let's get to the chats, man.
Deebo Samuel
Covenant life. Coveted, he said, she said, Joe, Cleveland drafted you, had you for seven years. Cut you. Pittsburgh, gave you five years, ring culture. But somehow the Browns still get the love. The favoritism is loud, Joe.
Joe Hayden
And she said, I'm just being messy. I'm just being messy. I'm making sure I watch so you don't get me all set up and get to go on the coveted life Crazy, because I know coveted life is being messy right now. She knows what she's talking about.
Deebo Samuel
I didn't see that. I didn't see that on there.
Joe Hayden
It said what I got drafted there, and it was just my initial relationship with the city. Coveted life has nothing to do with. With nothing else.
Deebo Samuel
Favoritism is loud. Everybody can hear it.
Joe Hayden
See, it's a little favoritism. It's a little favoritism. But you see all the way. I'm still boom, Always, always, still rapping.
Deebo Samuel
Always. You been wearing so much Cleveland stuff, I thought I was going to have a, like, throw up. Every time I watched, like, just looking
Joe Hayden
at you, I'm like, I'd be banging that five Browns again.
Deebo Samuel
That's why you almost threw up, Joe. You had enough of wearing it, too.
Joe Hayden
That was. Yeah, that was sad day. That was a sad day. I was. I'm looking weak, too. Everybody hit me like, bro, I seen you looking crazy. I'm like, yeah, I was looking so crazy.
Deebo Samuel
Mr. Stillers fan. 43 $5. Appreciate you, brother. Said Joe, when them boys go to Cleveland for Game 1, if the Steelers win, you can't rep the Browns for the rest of the year. Both teams can't win. Choose one. Is.
Joe Hayden
Is game is game one. We won't play game one, but the first game that we play.
Deebo Samuel
He said, when we play for game one, the game one, if the still is win, you can't rep the Browns for the rest of the year.
Joe Hayden
You want to take that? I'm not taking that bet, man. You can't just throw that out on me.
Deebo Samuel
See, I would have took it. I would have took it if it was the other way around. I know what my team go do.
Joe Hayden
I'm not taking. I'm not Taking it too early. I'm be. I gotta rep. I'm repping my. I'm repping my Browns through the whole season, win, lose or draw.
Deebo Samuel
We got. Mike. Mike. $105. Appreciate you said. What up, Debo and Joe. That's a good idea, Debo. Owners should have rings made for fans and hand them out on ring night. We contribute, too, but that's only if your name is Joe Hayden. He don't care about none of you other Cavs fans or Browns fans or whatever it may be because he's playing favorites.
Joe Hayden
I'm just. Maybe not. It's not. You know what? Reaching out to the fans goes maybe a little bit. Maybe if you work in the stadium, then.
Deebo Samuel
Joe, at least get him a candy ring.
Joe Hayden
Yes. A necklace. A necklace, ring,
Deebo Samuel
anything. Joe, Necklace, ring, season ticket holder should have something. Joe, you wasn't even a season ticket holder. Joe, you wasn't even a season ticket holder. He gave you a ring, brother.
Joe Hayden
I was basically a season ticket holder.
Deebo Samuel
Oh, my goodness, Joe, you wasn't. I was basically a killer, but I ain't take nobody's life, so how I' ma be a killer?
Joe Hayden
I got you. I'm telling you, they was. Look, you don't even know the way. You don't know me and Dan. You don't know me. You.
Deebo Samuel
You don't know how we be.
Joe Hayden
That's why I'll be asking how you. You know, how you be with. You know what I'm saying? With the. Hey, with. With my good mans. You know, how you be. Hey, you know.
Deebo Samuel
You know how you know you be.
Joe Hayden
There you go. So, like you gonna say I'm not a fan. Cause you, you know, you in the upper room.
Deebo Samuel
I played for the organization that I'm with, though. You didn't even play.
Joe Hayden
Don't worry. See, you just you. Not even.
Deebo Samuel
I put blood, sweat and tears in there. I got pieces of my back right now sitting in my refrigerator from two surgeries so I could play for that organization. I sat there and played through 14 weeks. I had three epidurals just to make it through the game so I could play on Sunday. I got a Saturday epidural so I could play on Sunday. What is he talking about?
Joe Hayden
Why are you getting so angry?
Deebo Samuel
Everything that I get from there right now is earned.
Joe Hayden
It is, you know. Can I tell you something, Dan? Watched what I do for the Browns. Put my blood, sweat and tears out there, concussed several times drinking all that.
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Deebo Samuel
I did not see your name on the.
Joe Hayden
Not even in the cast. I'm talking about Stockx sex. I'm talking about. We just doing little. Because he. See, you know me. Just me. Me and my man. We got. We just work it. Next subject. Next subject.
Deebo Samuel
Okay. It says Joe Hayden is not a minority on.
Joe Hayden
Don't worry. I am not. You know, it's a little baby.
Deebo Samuel
We got. We got Covenant life back. Still. Her social was a success. Met Highsmith, Bennett, Sawyer, Logan Lee. Yeah. Yahim Black
Joe Hayden
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Deebo Samuel
Oh. Oh. Something. A whole bunch of cats. I'm gonna go with that. Awesome group of guys. Alex made me a bracelet and said he wasn't going nowhere.
Joe Hayden
92 was nowhere in sight.
Deebo Samuel
Alex made me a bracelet and said he wasn't going nowhere.
Joe Hayden
Yes. He's not.
Deebo Samuel
92 was nowhere in sight.
Joe Hayden
Highsmith said he's not getting traded or not getting moved.
Deebo Samuel
92. Was there something about you? No. I seen 92 there.
Joe Hayden
She's talking about you, Debo. You're number 92 and you were nowhere in sight. Highsmith was there. How was Koontz coveted? Do you like Koontz? I love Koontz. Koontz is one of my really good friends. He's hilarious. Shout out to all of the players that made it. Shout out to Highsmith. Amazing. He's golfer too. Hope he had a great time. Covered it. Sorry that Deebo couldn't make it. 92 wasn't it.
Deebo Samuel
Why didn't you make it, Joe?
Joe Hayden
I was.
Deebo Samuel
It ain't about me not making it. See, you got to get invited to the.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, I lost my invitation in the mail.
Deebo Samuel
It's not. Yeah, you have to. You have to be invited.
Joe Hayden
I lost my invitation in them.
Deebo Samuel
They usually try and get guys that are current players, active players. It's more.
Joe Hayden
Yeah. Yep. They get more love. It's all good. You know? I know. I. I want to go. Where.
Deebo Samuel
What is. What is. What is mx?
Joe Hayden
Mx. What you talking about?
Deebo Samuel
Carlos alvarez.
Joe Hayden
Oh, mexican pesos.
Deebo Samuel
Oh. Hola. Thank you, Gracie. Is that. Is that. Is that right? Gracias. Whatever. Same thing. You know what I'm saying? Thank you. All right. It said, did you know the city with the most steeler fans. Not Pittsburgh is not in Pennsylvania. It's actually. It's not even in the U. S. Greetings from. Yes, I've been to Mexico City a couple times, actually. I went to Mexico City with the team twice.
Joe Hayden
That joint was jumping out there.
Deebo Samuel
Hey, we did the fan thing. I ain't gonna lie. The first time. That's the first time I ever caught crowd.
Joe Hayden
Oh, yeah, dude.
Deebo Samuel
I'm like. I did like that. It was like. Look, it's like. I was like, all right. Jumped out. They caught me. Yeah.
Joe Hayden
So they strong out there then.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, bro. Yeah.
Joe Hayden
Yeah.
Deebo Samuel
It was. Hey, listen, listen. It was. It was a good time. But I'm gonna tell you this, bro. I'll tell you this, bruh. Drink bottled water. I mean, brush your teeth about the water.
Joe Hayden
What you mean?
Deebo Samuel
Don't. Don't mess with. Don't mess with no water.
Joe Hayden
Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay,
Deebo Samuel
bruh, what we used to in our stomach and what they used to there and they stomach, man, is two totally different things, bro. God is my witness, man. Bruh, I only brushed. So the first time I went, I caught myself, I got. I was like, oh, I messed up. Okay, cool. All right. Because by the time I got back home, I was. It was water falling out my ass, right? You know, bruh, like, it was. It was crazy. So the next time, I'm like, all right, I gotta make sure. Like, I don't drink water. Like, so I'm like, cool, I'm doing that. I'll make sure I brush my teeth with, you know, a bottled water, all that stuff, right? The last night we was there, we went to the hotel, we went to a restaurant, and they had ice in my glass for the water. I'm like, oh, I don't need the ice. So they dumped the water out. They dumped the ice out and I poured the water in. And that little bit of whatever. That little bit of whatever melted in there, it got me.
Joe Hayden
Oh, so it's just a. It's just a teaspoon. It's just a teaspoon.
Deebo Samuel
I don't know, bro. Listen, listen, Joe, Joe. I was locked up on the plane praying to God we. We done landed, bruh. We done land, bro. I don't even know if I want to tell you, dude.
Joe Hayden
Go ahead. Now.
Deebo Samuel
We done landed, right? And now, like, we delayed and.
Joe Hayden
Oh, y'. All sitting in it. Y' all sitting on the tarmac?
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, we sitting on the tarmac, bro, and we trying to get to the gate. And I'm like, oh, yeah, please, man. And all this.
Joe Hayden
Oh, no, no, big bro.
Deebo Samuel
I'm like. I'm like, I cannot go right now with all these people. I'm like, I'm gonna get this all the way. I could barely fit into it if I needed to anyway, right? So I'm like, oh, I'm about to have to go, bro. And then it was like, all right, we're pulling up. We're about to get off. I'm like, oh, thank the Lord, right? I get off, bro. And it is. It's hitting me so hard, bro. Like, I'm. I'm walking with the clinch tight.
Joe Hayden
Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You scan through the airport, right?
Deebo Samuel
So you got to go through customs. I don't even make it. I get. They got a bathroom. I got lucky. They had a bathroom right there, bro. Joe, bruh.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, bruh.
Deebo Samuel
It was damaged.
Joe Hayden
It was damaging all over the debo. You. I don't even want to go there. Big.
Deebo Samuel
Big Joe was damaging the stars.
Joe Hayden
I already know bubbled up,
Deebo Samuel
Joe. Listen, bruh, I swear, bruh, I had to take my shirt off.
Joe Hayden
Debo. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Did you leave the bathroom with no shirt on? Or do you. Had. You. You brought your luggage in there?
Deebo Samuel
I had. I had.
Joe Hayden
I had a shirt.
Deebo Samuel
I had her shirt.
Joe Hayden
Yeah. Oh, man.
Deebo Samuel
So I had. I had to throw that one away. Hey, I know it caught the shirt because it caught the back of it caught all that, bro. It was bad, bruh. I'm talking for about four or five days, bro. I think I lost, like, three, like, 12, 15 pounds, bro. I was down. I was down bad. Like, I was down bad. I was looking like you. Like, I've been smoking down to 185, you know? I'm just saying.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, be careful with that water, bro.
Deebo Samuel
Hey, listen, listen. Carlos just said, man, he said, yeah, Mexican water is way too heavy. Too many minerals and makes people that aren't used to it sick. I told you, bro, that. That had me. But the fans, bro. Hey, I'm living. And something else, bro. It's high over there, too. Not, you know, but like, the altitude, bruh. I'm waking up in the middle of the nightlife. They say it's higher than Denver.
Joe Hayden
You gotta. You gotta get your. You gotta get your win, right? Altitude.
Deebo Samuel
Altitude. I got an altitude problem, Joe. Real bad. Real bad. I told you I was over there with my son. And what was that? Aspen? No, man, I. Man, I'll tell you about that later. Did I tell you that whole story?
Joe Hayden
I don't think so.
Deebo Samuel
Bro, I gotta tell you. I can't tell you about that on here, bro. Bro, it was. It was crazy. Offline, come to Life. Back again, $5. She said, Joe, I know that seven is for big Ben, but to me, after the event last,
Joe Hayden
it's manifestation for super bowl number seven. I think she's rocking with the jersey
Deebo Samuel
after the event last. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, I think you want seven, I'm assuming. Hey, listen, I'm gonna tell y'. All, when y' all write stuff like this, we read it how it's wrote. So I think you're trying to say maybe it was some event last night and you're manifesting seven by wearing that jersey. I think that's what she's saying.
Joe Hayden
I just got this Ben jersey. I got another Route Woodson jersey just now. I had to get.
Deebo Samuel
Oh, you going. You're going to get them. You're going to buy them.
Joe Hayden
I had to go get the Steelers jersey.
Deebo Samuel
You got to buy them. I go and get mine straight from.
Joe Hayden
No, I want to go. I want respect. I'm gonna go Michelin s with it.
Deebo Samuel
I get the game one. I ain't tripping. I get the game.
Joe Hayden
I know you do. Look, I need one to rock, and I'm getting a big game one. I'm gonna get hung up.
Deebo Samuel
No, you're not.
Joe Hayden
No, you're not.
Deebo Samuel
He would never give you a game one.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, but he would. I bet he would.
Deebo Samuel
You're not.
Joe Hayden
I bet he would.
Deebo Samuel
No, he would.
Joe Hayden
All right, not now.
Deebo Samuel
That's my.
Joe Hayden
Yep, now I'm gonna get one because you said you don't like me.
Deebo Samuel
No, he don't. Then give him one of the. Give him one of them jerseys from. From one of the. From one of the, you know, preseason games.
Joe Hayden
Yeah.
Deebo Samuel
Joe coming to life. Back again, she said, Joe. Did you say Wembley High tops look like high knee look like knee highs
Joe Hayden
on a regular person Coveted life. It would go up to your kneecap 1,000%. Wimby's foot is at least 36, 36 inches tall. And it's probably. I don't know what size shoe he wears exactly, but it's probably like a 23, 24. It's one of the biggest shoes I've ever seen out there. And he has skinny legs and he's tall, so it looks about this Big. About this wide. This boat.
Deebo Samuel
This one?
Joe Hayden
Yep.
Deebo Samuel
Joe, you still.
Joe Hayden
No, not at all. I'm just saying, Debo, when I'm. You're not understanding what I'm saying. I've never really seen a size. Do you know how big a size 23 shoe is?
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, I seen.
Joe Hayden
I'm just saying some people really haven't seen it. And now when I see it up close in person, it messes my head up. Because if you see a person with a size 17, that's a big boot. If you see somebody with a size 23 to 24 shoe, I'm like, how is a foot inside of that hole? There's no way I remember looking at. Humongous. It looks like. It looks like, man, it looks like it's heavy. How you carrying that around on you? You know what I'm saying? Like, you got just big old joints hanging off of your ankles and your legs are still now skinny, so your whole boot looking wild. That's what I'm saying. Just look at Wimby's shoe. And now just imagine you seeing that Joe in front of you and the size look and looking at 13 side 23, bruh.
Deebo Samuel
23. You got a 23 on. We got Covenant Life back again. $10, she said. Kuntz is so much fun. All I could hear was. All I could hear about was Debo's thighs. It's clearly the topic of discussion.
Joe Hayden
What?
Deebo Samuel
I went to the ATM and got cash in case 92 came. What is that? What is this saying? It sound like a stripper.
Joe Hayden
I think he's talking points. Was talking about your thighs. Maybe because you're strong and just how strong you were in the weight room, I don't know.
Deebo Samuel
Hey, man, I might have to go talk to coons, man. Who was coons?
Joe Hayden
Man, that's the long snapper.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, yeah, I know you know coons. You know I used to learn.
Joe Hayden
Yes, I told him everything he know. You see what you're talking about?
Deebo Samuel
Only married thing he know. Yep.
Joe Hayden
That's wild what he said.
Deebo Samuel
I don't know what you going to tonight. What you going to the ATM for. What that mean? I ain't shaking no ass with no dollar.
Joe Hayden
Hey, that's our time, yo. That's our time.
Deebo Samuel
That's our time, Debo. Hey, man, we want to thank y' all for joining us on this episode of D Boy. Joe, man, please make sure you, like, subscribe and download where you get your show. We will be back here on Monday, Joe.
Joe Hayden
We will be here on Monday and I will See y' all here. Same time, same place. Let's get it.
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Yo,
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Episode Date: May 29, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (“Ocho”)
Featured Guests: Deebo Samuel, Joe Haden
This episode of Nightcap dives into:
The vibe is unfiltered—hosts and guests let loose, joke, debate, and give rare glimpses into the mindset of big-league athletes.
[02:37–09:18]
Deebo brings up Houston Texans QB C.J. Stroud’s new, shorter haircut and the surprising amount of fan speculation and concern about his mental state.
They play Stroud’s response to critics:
“I honestly didn’t see the reactions. I mean, I was told people thought I was, like, depressed… I wasn’t. I was doing okay, but I’ve been thinking about cutting my hair for a long time.”
—C.J. Stroud ([02:41])
Deebo and Joe analyze his language:
“That’s man language for ‘I ain’t doing too good, but I’m doing good enough. It’s something there, but it ain’t enough for me to say nothing about it.’”
—Deebo Samuel ([04:11])
“People always…judging into stuff. When you say…okay, he wasn’t doing the best. He didn’t have the best season, so he’s not gonna be, ‘Yeah, I was doing great.’…He was doing okay.”
—Joe Haden ([05:27])
They riff on the differences between men and women cutting their hair and what it supposedly signals.
Deebo shares his own hairline journey and jokes about using Beijing (hair dye):
“I ain't know my top was getting light until I was like 30…So you know what I did? I had to put that beige dark in that top.”
—Deebo ([07:19])
Joe warns about overusing Beijing:
“You can’t have too much Beijing, that thing gets the sweat dripping down...like Boozer when he was playing with the Bulls.”
—Joe ([07:53])
[09:29–16:57]
Deebo introduces a clip of Kyler Murray and rookie J.J. McCarthy discussing their relationship as quarterbacks on the same team.
Kyler’s answer is seasoned and diplomatic:
“It’s been great…He’s always communicating, asking questions…Any way I can help him…I've played seven years now, going on eight…”
—Kyler Murray ([12:43])
J.J. McCarthy’s view is more raw and competitive:
“You know, it’s just like two guys in a classroom. He sits on one side, I sit on the other side, and it's the coach’s responsibility to teach us...”
—J.J. McCarthy ([10:15])
The hosts break down the subtext:
“That was awkward…My man Kyler Murray came in there…be a pro, be a vet…But JJ was like…it’s another man in the room. He’s trying to take my spot. Your competition. This isn’t no big bro, little bro situation.”
—Joe ([11:40])
“If he come over here asking for anything from me, I ain’t [giving it].”
—Deebo ([14:37])
They discuss the nuance of veteran-younger player relationships and how much ego or insecurity factors in.
[24:52–31:12]
Deebo brings up the recent “Enhanced Games” where athletes could use or not use steroids—and “naturals” still won.
Joe and Deebo discuss misconceptions about performance-enhancing drugs:
“People think if you’re just a regular person and you just take steroids, you’re automatically going to be an unbelievable athlete…it’s when you already are basically cream of the crop. And then…that’s when you start to get...that cheat code.”
—Joe Haden ([27:11]) “Look at baseball...you got Bonds and McGwire. All them boys started bombing those homers…they already had the hand-eye coordination. Now you put muscle into it…”
—Deebo ([28:19])
Deebo asks Joe if he ever considered “the sauce,” to which Joe (jokingly) expresses no interest, mentioning the health risks and integrity.
The conversation shifts to bodybuilding, tragic stories about young athletes, and the health dangers of steroids.
[31:13–38:11]
“Owners should have rings made for fans and hand them out on ring night. We contribute, too, but that’s only if your name is Joe Hayden. He don’t care about none of you other Cavs fans or Browns fans…”
([35:19])
[43:03–48:44]
“By the time I got back home, it was water falling out my ass... I lost, like, 12, 15 pounds. I was down bad.”
—Deebo ([47:00])
[51:04–53:39]
On Stroud’s new look and “man language”:
On awkward QB relationships:
On PED misconceptions:
On playing through pain:
On international pitfalls:
If you missed this episode, you’ll get a rare window into the mental/emotional realities of pro footballers—how they mask struggle, interpret competition, and process life outside the stat sheets. Layer in locker room humor, debates about hairlines, and NFL travel nightmares for a complete Nightcap experience.