Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Brendan Sorsby to enter NFL Supplemental Draft, Aaron Rodgers mentoring Drew Allar

Summary

Nightcap Podcast – Deebo & Joe, Part 1

Date: June 16, 2026
Hosts: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe Haden
Main Topics:

• Brendan Sorsby’s NFL Supplemental Draft saga & gambling scandal
• NFL league reactions, penalties, and Browns rumors
• Aaron Rodgers mentoring Drew Allar

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Episode Overview

Deebo and Joe tackle two of the biggest stories shaking football: the fallout from Brendan Sorsby's gambling scandal and NFL Supplemental Draft bid, and the developing mentorship between veteran Aaron Rodgers and young QB Drew Allar. With their signature candor and humor, the hosts break down the implications for players, teams, and the league, offering insights into how NFL locker rooms and front offices manage controversy and competition.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Brendan Sorsby's Departure from Texas Tech & Supplemental Draft Entry

[06:35 – 14:27]

• Deebo questions the narrative that Sorsby and Texas Tech "mutually parted ways":

  • “You saying you have mutually parted ways? Nope. I think you decided to stop fighting them people because you realized that you were not going to win in the long haul.” [06:35]
  • Both believe Sorsby was forced out after gambling accusations, not a true mutual split.

• Gambling Allegations & Comparison to Other Cases:

  • Sorsby reportedly placed over 9,000 bets, including on his own team, dwarfing previous scandals (e.g., Calvin Ridley, Terrelle Pryor, Josh Gordon).
  • Joe: “Now the teams are looking at the NFL: Are you going to allow him? First they had to figure out: are they going to allow him to enter a supplemental draft because gambling is such a thing.” [11:05]

• NFL’s Dilemma & Precedent:

  • Calvin Ridley received a year’s suspension for five bets while injured; Deebo and Joe extrapolate: 40 bets should mean 8 years ("...his 40 gotta be eight." [19:30])
  • Deebo: “If you done gave this man a year for five games, you did 40 times that. That should be eight, right, Joe? I don’t know. ...But I’m just saying, like we protecting the shield or, or we protecting certain people in certain situations.” [21:54]

2. NFL & Browns’ Reaction to Sorsby

[24:04 – 35:09]

• Browns’ Internal Debate:

  • Deebo references Browns GM Andrew Berry's nuanced position about Sorsby:
    • “Number one, is this a bad person, or did they make a bad decision?... what are they doing after the fact to correct the behavior? ...In Brennan’s case, is what he does from here.” [24:41]
  • Coach Todd Monken is unequivocal:
    • “That’s not even come across my desk. I don’t think we’re in a position to want to go down that road. ... That’s a slippery slope when you go down that, irrespective of talent.” [26:14]
  • GM’s openness vs. coach’s resistance creates tension about possible team direction.

• Implications for Browns’ QB Competition:

  • With Shador Sanders and Deshaun Watson competing for the starting job, neither has separated, possibly opening the door for added competition if Sorsby gets in:
    • “I think the quarterback competition is not exactly what they thought it was going to be...this is the opportunity right here that we could get a quarterback that is, according to some people, a first-round talent.” [29:28]

• Organizational Dynamics:

  • Deebo: coaches focus on present roster, GMs look to the future and keep options open.
  • “Todd Monken is a grown man and a great coach, and that’s what he was able to answer...Andrew Berry has to deal sometime with ifs and fifths.” [34:12]

3. Meaning, Rehabilitation & Appropriate Penalty

[19:30 – 41:44]

• Should Sorsby be banned, suspended, or given a second chance?

  • “You need time to sit...show me a year of being healed, being able to do...and not backslide and...place no bets on nothing.” [20:48]
  • Both advocate substantial suspension and proof of change before a shot at pro football.
  • “There has to be time to show change...consistency every single night.” [39:14]

• On Addiction and Second Chances:

  • “We’re not saying you don’t deserve a second chance, but there’s a certain thing as timeout...You gotta take a quick time out real quick.” [21:26]
  • “It’s a lifestyle growth and progress. Are you progressing in the correct direction?...You backslide here, you done.” [40:05]

4. Aaron Rodgers Mentoring Drew Allar

[42:22 – 48:47]

• Rodgers’ Role as Mentor:

  • Deebo and Joe reject the idea of favoritism, see Rodgers embracing his OG/veteran role.
  • Joe:
    • “I think he’s just being a good OG and really just trying to show dudes the way...he just wants to be able to be a good older vet, just shows younger dudes the right way and leave them with some tidbits of knowledge that he had.” [43:19]
  • Both draw on personal experiences with veterans who mentored them.

• Importance of Approach:

  • Humble, receptive rookies get the best out of mentorship.
  • “If I came in there to Sheldon Brown like this...I’m about to take your spot...You gotta come in there with a humble spirit.” [50:03]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Sorsby’s Gamble:

  • “One bet...if I let you back in there, if I give you opportunity, you got a year. We’ll let you in next year. ... If you bet one time, bro...You better not bet that the sun will come up.”
    — Deebo Harrison [40:07]

• On NFL Discipline:

  • “That’s the definition of failing up, ain’t it?...You fail, and you still get to advance.”
    — Deebo Harrison [24:04]

• On NFL Coach/GM Tension:

  • “Organizational dynamics, the head coach’s job is to work and make the people that he has on his roster at this very time the best...GM always looking through the future.”
    — Joe Haden [30:02]

• On NFL Mentorship:

  • “When you got young dudes, first times in the league, they don’t really know the ropes... he (Rodgers) has so many things he could just literally teach them just walking around: how to treat his body, how to grow...”
    — Joe Haden [43:19]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [06:35] – Sorsby/Texas Tech split & truth behind the “mutual” narrative
• [07:16] – Gambling accusations context, past supplemental draft cases
• [10:23] – Parallels, NFL precedent & league discipline
• [14:15] – Danger of player gambling in roles impacting game outcome
• [19:30] – Calculating “fair” punishment for Sorsby
• [24:41] – Browns GM & Coach Monken’s conflicting stances
• [29:28] – Browns QB competition and Sorsby’s potential opportunity
• [39:14] – What it takes to prove real change/addiction recovery
• [42:22] – Aaron Rodgers’ mentoring style, impact on Drew Allar
• [50:03] – Rookie approach to veterans and mentorship dynamics

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Summary Tone & Style

Conversational, candid, sometimes blunt—with the hosts drawing on personal experience and NFL locker room realities. Both Deebo and Joe keep it “real,” balancing critique for rule-breakers with empathy for genuine recovery and second chances. Their dynamic is humorous and frank but always grounded in protecting the game and the "shield".

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This episode is a must-listen for NFL fans interested in the intersection of controversy, redemption, and the nuances of team dynamics, both on and off the field.

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[Joe Hayden]

You gonna, you gonna whoop they, you gonna whoop they, you gonna whoop their butt?

[James Debo Harrison]

Debo you supposed to say you know what you say or Debo go whoop your ass. Okay, I was with how you doing today?

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I was waiting on. How you doing today Joe?

[James Debo Harrison]

Man, you know me doing today I'm doing good, coach.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm always doing good. Vibed up. I got my Steelers on today. I got my Rob Woodson feeling. Hall of Famish. I had to throw in a Michelin ass.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm gonna tell you right now, dude, I really feel like my hat game.

[Joe Hayden]

Your hat game's strong.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, I'm just telling you. Everything's still it, though. Everything still. I don't flip flop.

[Joe Hayden]

You come with difference. You come with different still again every day.

[James Debo Harrison]

Let's get this retainer out. All right. There we go. That's better. I don't flip, you know. You know what I'm saying? I don't go from here to there. You know, Even though I played. I played for three different teams.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

I played for the Ravens. I played Cincinnati, and I. And I played for New England, but I don't flip flop.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what?

[James Debo Harrison]

You can't.

[Joe Hayden]

Three different hearts is more. I just got two. Then I'm like, I got. I got so much love for the Steelers and. And, you know, and the Browns. Like, I just. It's just I'm.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm pulled between the two. You can't. It's two different ties. You can't have three.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, the only one.

[Joe Hayden]

I was pulled all over the place. You know what I'm saying? You wouldn't understand.

[James Debo Harrison]

The only team I didn't play for was the Browns in the afc. That's it. That's it, Joe. Yep, that's it. And North. That's it.

[Joe Hayden]

I would have welcomed you with open arms, Debo, for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, I don't know if it did work. No, Y' all had a chance, but, John, y' all ain't holler at your boy. Look here, man. Your boy Brandon Sorsby and Texas Tech have mutually parted ways. You saying you have mutually parted ways? Nope. I think you decided to stop fighting them people because you realized that you were not going to win in the long haul. And your only shot was to go ahead and try and enter the supplemental draft over here that they got going on. And with deadlines coming and all that. Plus, everybody at Texas Tech was like, yo, get this dude out of here. We're not going to be able to play as a whole. Athletic competition, school period. Ain't nobody.

[Joe Hayden]

One man is not bigger than the program.

[James Debo Harrison]

You ain't bigger than this, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

My man is not bigger.

[James Debo Harrison]

Get your punk ass up out of here. Get into the supplemental draft. What is it, June 22nd or whatever it is. And then you go have your Shot. So he will not be playing College Football in 2026. He is applying to enter the NFL supplemental draft. Tom, what's that name, man something, whatever the hell his name is.

[Joe Hayden]

He.

[James Debo Harrison]

After legal wrangling about the NCAA eligibility Sorsby regarded as a. He thinks a first round talent.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know about the talent. It's a lot of stuff to go with that. Anyway. Now could be the highest drafted sentimental pick in decades. Okay, Joe, Tom Pelissero is the one that said this stuff.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

What. What you think bruh?

[Joe Hayden]

Like, okay, first and foremost, let's get on him mutually parting ways. It was. He knew that it was time that he had to get out of there. Trying to fight to play once you've already been accused of gambling all these damn games. Sit your ass out. Like take your ball and go home. Get out the way real quick. It's not about you. Like you know what I'm saying? So I'm respecting. I'm. I'm loving the fact he had to get out the way because you're not bigger than the program.

[James Debo Harrison]

So Texas stop loving Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Look, he has to get out the way. I love that he got out the way. If you tried to challenge it.

[James Debo Harrison]

He only got out the way because they forced him out the way. He didn't get out the way because he wanted to. He tried to stay in the way and say poor.

[Joe Hayden]

I know.

[James Debo Harrison]

I know what happened to me because I had an addiction and it's not my fault.

[Joe Hayden]

I was trying to get to another point to where for. For sure I understand this why he had. He got to get out. He had to get out because it's bigger than, bigger than the program. Now it's to the supplemental draft. Now we're moving forward. So now what are we thinking about the supplemental draft? All of this is where it baffles me all of a sudden. Was he projected to be a first round pick earlier? Like I know that he was.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't. I have no.

[Joe Hayden]

Stuff was cool. He came out.

[James Debo Harrison]

But I guess by some people were saying it, I mean Tom Pelissell is. He's not.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen last year he played 12 games. He was a 61% completion percentage, 2,800 yards, 27 touchdowns, five interceptions. That's not terrible. That's not great. I'm just trying to figure out where all of a sudden now this first round pick stuff comes out. And then when we're saying in the supplemental draft. I'm understanding the teams are going to have to evaluate. This is A quarterback. The other people that had been taken in the supplemental draft was like Josh Gordon, you know what I'm saying? And that was because he was smoking. He got kicked out because he was smoking weed, came into the league, into the program, you know what I'm saying? You got Chris Carter, he signed an agent, you know what I'm saying? When he was at Ohio State and then he made him ineligible. Terrell Pryor was getting tattoos, so that made him ineligible at Ohio State. Just the craziness of. You gotta see the reason why these dudes were in the supplemental draft, why they weren't able to get in. Terrell Pryor, I'm looking at it like in, it was back in the like that was for tattoos, the scandals and like the punishment. Terrell probably should have went to the

[James Debo Harrison]

hell with a scandal, dude. This man was using his own name.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. All the way back in the day to when these. You couldn't go get a free tattoo or you were going to get suspended. Chris Carter went and signed an agent because he knew he was going to be able to go to the league. You can't go get representation. You're not allowed to play in college football anymore. So just that's the back in the day stuff. With this one you got a quarterback that was said he was gambling on games. Now the NFL admitted to gambling games for sure. 40, 40 bets on his own team, not 90. Some bets total. Something crazy.

[James Debo Harrison]

9,000 bets total over 9,000.

[Joe Hayden]

9,000 bets. So now you have to start looking to the aspect of when a team is talking about drafting a player. Now you go do all your research, you're doing all your stuff. Was this a one time thing? Is this just a slap on the hand? Is this something that he's always doing? Now the teams are looking at the NFL. Are you going to allow him. First they had to figure out are they going to allow him to enter a supplemental draft because gambling is such a thing.

[James Debo Harrison]

What's up, Roger Goodell? What are you going to do? Are you going to let this degenerate gambler into the NFL?

[Joe Hayden]

So if they allow him to get, if they allow him to get into the supplementary draft, help, if you want

[James Debo Harrison]

to call it help. I don't know, I don't call it help. I call it you ignoring and think you go be above it because as soon as you got strained up you said oh, let me go to legal route and see if they can do this for me. Because I don't care what the rules Say I should be able to play. It's going to hurt me if I can't play. Fuck you.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, if the ncw. So this is the thing. So if the NFL now you have a player, right? He's out of the ncaa. You have a player that you've seen now he was betting on these games. This is what it is. He's been accused of this stuff. Now the NFL, when they talk about all this, I do my due diligence, I do my research on these people. I make sure you know what I'm saying. I check on their parents, I talk to their high school teachers. When Shador Sanders, I hate to bring it in. When Shador Sanders came into the league in his draft his senior season, he threw for 4,134 yards with 36 touchdowns. Nothing of him doing any gambling. He had bad interviews and it dropped him to the fifth round. And all of a sudd. Nothing on the football field changed. But all of a sudden he is a 5th round pick. Now I'm just putting into perspective now you have a quarterback that's going to be the leader of your franchise that's been accused and said that I've done 40,000, 40,000 bets. And now like no, you're coming to the team. Now we're saying, oh no, he's, he's supposed to be a first round pick. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh no. Like sometimes the NFL I'm like this, okay, look, I understand this. So if Roger Goodell, the supplemental draft is for the players that got kicked out. The eligibility is done. So we're going to see. So now we're going to put it in the lead if you let him get into the supplemental draft. Now the responsibility is in the hands of the NFL teams. Are you going to draft some, what

[James Debo Harrison]

are you going to get from NFL?

[Joe Hayden]

You're going to give up? It's a silent auction now. There's people putting up a second round pick for the next round draft. So a first round pick, what are you going to put up for this guy? You know what I'm saying this on these teams, understand all that. Is he going to be suspended for this for the next year? You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

So knowing what happened to Terrell Pryor when he, when he went through his little tattoo thing, that man got three games. When he came in on the tattoo his rookie year, he got three games.

[Joe Hayden]

That's crazy because that on tattoo we talking about now obviously name, image and likeness.

[James Debo Harrison]

We know how the players were getting Used.

[Joe Hayden]

You couldn't go get a free tattoo. Not going and paying nothing. Nobody's giving. It's like this. No, just get a tattoo for free. No, you didn't go pay for that. Oh, you're suspended.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's crazy, dude. We're talking about gambling or the game that you play in, that you're going to be playing in, that you want to play in and you're holding the position that can affect the game the most.

[Joe Hayden]

Huh? Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

So then what is Roger Goodell going to do about.

[Joe Hayden]

This is the part two. So the NFL, then I, I looked at Calvin Ridley did get accused for betting on games for when he was out of the. When he was like, when he was going through his mental health time. So he got accused for betting on about five games. He bet on the Atlanta Falcons while he was chilling. He got caught, you know what I'm saying? He said they got suspended for a season. They traded him, you know what I'm saying? And now he's able to get back into the league. So I think it was. He probably missed damn near two years in total, but he got reinstated by the NFL.

[Todd Monken]

So he.

[Joe Hayden]

Look, that's what I'm saying. You have to.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm asking your time. So that's what I'm saying. If he. I'm not. When, when we hear.

[James Debo Harrison]

Let me ask you this, Joe, hold up. Did he bet on the games that he was playing in while he was playing?

[Joe Hayden]

He did not bet on the game that he played in.

[James Debo Harrison]

So was he betting on games while he was on a team?

[Joe Hayden]

He was, he was on the Falcons, but he wasn't on the field. Like he was like injured. So he couldn't play in the game. So he was betting on his team. Like, you watch it like you're hurt. You're like inactive.

[James Debo Harrison]

Still. Still bad. Still bad.

[Joe Hayden]

What did they do betting on your team, you know what I'm saying? To win the game. And it was, it was five. It was five. So they got caught, you know what I'm saying? Big slap on the head. I, I was trying to look back and see what they gave him. They get. He got suspended for. He was out for a year, you know what I'm saying? And then the NFL reinstated him. I think he got. So he was out of the league total for probably two years until he was able to get back in.

[James Debo Harrison]

So, okay, so five games he bet on that man got two years, basically.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, I think the least things the year.

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So a year suspension on five games. He admitted to 40. I'm saying he's eight years. If you're saying that his five was a year, his 40 gotta be eight. I don't even know how you let him in, to be honest with you.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, yeah, if it's me for sure, Deebo, I'm with you 1,000% because that's where the slope gets too. It's 40 games. Like, cut him like the NFL. I don't see them being able to even allow him to go to the supplemental. But if they do allow him to go to the team that drafts him, it's like, what are you going to give up for him? You acting like you do so much research. The NFL is so high and mighty. Going to make sure you tell you what game we see something that happened. So I'm not like, opportunities like, you want second chances. Okay, I get second chances. But like, wow, how long? Hey, listen, I ain't going to have to sit down. You're going to have to for a minute and show me consistent time of not gambling at all.

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[James Debo Harrison]

And then get your ass out for a year for sure next year.

[Joe Hayden]

There's a time that you just can't be like, no, I'm healed. And then like, no, no, you gotta, like, there's. There's process, there's work.

[James Debo Harrison]

Just like, show me a year of you being healed, being able to do. Continue to progress and not backslide and Blake and place no bets on nothing. But you go do that year outside of the NFL, you say you got a problem, you need help, you need to go, here's your time to get that problem solved. And then next year you can come back and see if you can get yourself in there after you done prove that you had a year of being able to do what it is that you said you were doing and get the help that you needed. And now we can see that you're able to do it. You can't play in college, you can't play in the NFL. You need time to sit and I.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. And that's when we're.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know what's so crazy?

[Joe Hayden]

We're not saying you don't deserve a second chance, but there's a certain thing as timeout, like you can't be still involved like nothing happened. You know what I'm saying? You gonna have to take a seat for a second if we're gonna let you stand with taking your ball. But you gotta take a quick time out real quick.

[James Debo Harrison]

If the NFL is gonna let you back in, you're going to have to sit there and show that you have actually rehabilitated from your addiction.

[Joe Hayden]

What?

[James Debo Harrison]

We're not gonna allow you to be able to do it while you're sitting in here with the ability to affect the game and bet on games, do all that other stuff. Okay? And then you're making more and more money. Hell, they didn't even take his money from me. The Tech board, Cody Duke, Cody Campbell, he said they will not seek to the return of any money paid to him through nil agreements with the university. You got. Listen. Only thing is hurting him at this point is himself and his. His. You, You're. You're going to be fine. Sit down. You got. You got. You got a problem. You got a real bad problem. Some of you. Some. Some of you ready to go ahead and do the work. Get. Then after that, come on back. You done showed me a whole year being able to do it. Then go ahead and do it. Because if I'm Roger Goodell, I'm put. I done put my hat on. If I'm Roger Goodell, listen, I either don't let you in or off, or I say show me that you done rehabilitated yourself. But you're not getting in this year. We'll come and see what you can do next year. Because if you done gave this man a year for five games, you did 40 times that. That should be eight, right, Joe? I don't know. You know, I'm pretty decent at numbers. But I'm just saying, like we protecting the shield or, or we protecting certain people in certain situations.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen here. If I'm Roger Goodell, I got. I got my commissioner hat on. Hey, Raj, Let's. Let's. Hey, man, let's protect the shield. You find the. Out of me when you was trying to protect the shield, like, and you change rules and all that. I'm talking about in the drop of a hat. I mean, on a plane, just right

[Joe Hayden]

there, because, come on, I'm not even Debo. I could even go this. I can go this far. I could go as far, too. If they allowed him into. If he. If they ended up passing him to let him into the supplemental draft, if a team ended up drafting him, he still suspended for a year. He's on the team. There's no play. But you're on the team. They was able to use whatever they could for you, and they're taking this go get paid out of the team for a year of just. You know what I'm saying? Showing that you're not doing any. Like, going through your rehab, and then the next year, you'll be able to be on that team. That's.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, ain't that what they call failing? Ain't that the definition of failing up? You fail, and you still get to advance. That's the definition of failing up, ain't it? I'm just saying, Joe, I. I think. I think I know why you're saying that. I think you know why you're saying that. Because the Browns GM has indicated a openness to adding the controversial quarterback Sorsby. Joe, Joe, listen here. Let me.

[Todd Monken]

Hold up, hold up.

[James Debo Harrison]

Joe, hold up, hold up.

[Joe Hayden]

Let me.

[James Debo Harrison]

Let me. Let me just look and see what's. What's going on here, Joe. So your. Your guy, Barry, do we. Do we have the Berry, or do we have the Monk? And let me know which one we have.

[Joe Hayden]

So we got both of them.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay, so what I want to do is I actually just want to play the. The monkey. I'm gonna tell you what Barry said. We're not gonna do it just yet. So Barry basically said this right here. He said, number one. So he's like. I really asked two questions. He said, number one, is this a bad person, or did they make a bad decision? Is it a bad person? Did they make a bad decision?

[Todd Monken]

Joe?

[James Debo Harrison]

They obviously made a bad decision. Okay. And then second piece is, okay, what are they doing after the fact to correct the behavior? Is this a pattern of decision making? And if so, have they done something to stop the pattern? And is this an isolated incident? Ain't about this isolated Joe ain't nothing about any of this. It wasn't a one time thing. Now he goes on to say, because the reality is that we're all going to screw up and some certain. And some certain mistakes are greater in magnitude than others. But I think the most important thing is Brennan's case is what he does from here. Obviously it is a great first step to get the help that you need. But then it's like what is around him, what is he doing to make sure he can maintain healthy habits from there?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

That right there really sounds like your boy is open to probably doing something with this guy if he, if he could do whatever he could do. But, but when you go back and you look at what Markin said Marcus said a few weeks ago.

[Todd Monken]

Not at all. I mean that's not even come across my desk. I don't think we're in a position to want to go down that road. That's my opinion. That's not Andrews. And that I like the quarterbacks that we have. I think that's a slippery slope when you go down that irrespective of talent. Right. In terms of the situation he's put himself in. We all know what that is. I didn't. He put himself in that situation. Situation. And we've seen other sports with players that have been banned.

[James Debo Harrison]

But I want you, I want you to listen.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm listening to what Barry said right

[Todd Monken]

after slope to go down that road again. That's a, that's a question for Andrew and for management.

[James Debo Harrison]

Todd said this on my end of it. Barry's coming next.

[Todd Monken]

Tough angle to go down that road and think that that's going to be your franchise quarterback if he's ever eligible, even play in the NFL.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

We haven't had a supplemental draft in

[Todd Monken]

a while or I guess a couple years now.

[Joe Hayden]

No different than we do every year.

[Todd Monken]

We'll do the work on all the

[Joe Hayden]

prospects and then we'll make the appropriate

[Todd Monken]

decision for the organization.

[James Debo Harrison]

Joe? Yeah. Joseph. Joseph. Joseph, are you there? I'm here, Joe. Listen, listen, Joe, you know me. You know me. I like to do okay. And when I. Joe, Joe, When I started thinking, you know what happens? It makes me think like, okay, he responded like this then, but now he's responding like this. Now we know they're not the same.

[Joe Hayden]

No, they, they both got their own minds. All right?

[James Debo Harrison]

They got, they got their own minds. Okay? Now when you, when you, when you look at that, what it puts me in the mind of is that the next thing we're looking at is. There's a, there's a, A quarterback competition.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

So the, the, the, the quarterback competition, Joe, that they, they got going on now, it says that Shador looked more posed in Monk his offense at times and went on. And the coaches talked about how he improved his footwork and the processing. So though Monkin had said he ideally would like to name a starter entering training camp, he's now he's not worried about delaying the decision. Okay. He said it would feel different if I didn't feel like their progression had gotten to this point, I think where I think they both can start and play winning football. I'm convinced of it. And I'd say if it, if I. And I'd say if I didn't. I mean, I can't decide now because I think both have earned the opportunity to continue to compete once we put on the pads. Yes. Like I said, Joe, I'm a thinker. So for me, I'm sitting back now and I'm like, yo, didn't he just say that shit ain't going down? And then your boy just backed it up right here like, yo, you know, if he proved that he could do this, he could do that, and now they're saying the competition ain't, you know, nobody has really taken over and showed that they could do anything. And now he needs to see them in pads to see what's going on. Joe, I think.

[Joe Hayden]

What do you think?

[James Debo Harrison]

I think that. I think, I think the quarterback competition is not exactly what they thought it was going to be. I don't think they're seeing either one of them as that, that, that quarterback that could forge them into this, this next year. And now they're like, you know, this is the opportunity right here that we could get a quarterback that is, according to some people, a first round talent. We can pull him in a supplemental draft. Y' all already got a couple first round picks or whatever that y' all could toss up to get the guy. And now that's, that's just me thinking, you know what I'm saying? What do you think, Joe? What do you think?

[Joe Hayden]

At all points, the GM and the head coach are not all. They're obviously two different people. And the head coach's job is to work and make the people that he has on his roster at this very time the best that they can be. And Todd Monkin honestly and truly believes, I think, that Shador Sanders and or DeSean Watson is going to be able to be the starting quarterback for his team. I Do not see him to be a liar. I think he's being honest and talking about their battle and what's going on with the Browns. I think when Andrew Berry is talking, it's just that right now we still don't have. They haven't proved it on the field. The general manager's job is always looking through the future of how can the team get better. What would we need in the future? What would like just not closing any doors. The general manager is keeping all options open at all times because the league just moves fast. People get hurt, things happen. You know what I'm saying? So I think what Andrew Berry is saying is he's more just keeping eyes open, seeing what's going on. Todd Monkin not rocking. You know what I'm saying? No. Right now we got our quarterbacks on our team. We're talking about a college player that's going through a whole complete situation of gambling. I'm with him 1,000%. Coach Todd Monkin. Yes. Like, no. Why were you even talking about that? We're deal Deshaun Watson and Shador Sanders on our team that I believe are going to be great quarterbacks. That's a whole different situation. If he gets into the league, I don't know what that suspension situation is going to talk about. I'm not here to be talking about what ifs. I know I'm the head coach of the Browns, and on my roster I have Shador and Deshaun Watson. So I think with Todd Monkin's answer, I'm with him, too. Like, yes, he's. He did it himself. He needs to be punished. Like, I. I don't know.

[James Debo Harrison]

He said it twice.

[Todd Monken]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

He's beams and Todd Monkey is just keeping it a beam. Because from the first thing, when you first saw it, when you first saw the accusations of the 40,000 bets and all of the things, I'm like, oh, my goodness, he's cooked. He's toast. Like, Calvin Ridley did five bets and like, you know what I'm saying? And then he got suspended for the

[James Debo Harrison]

five bets this man admitted.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying, Debo. So I'm with Todd monkin right now.

[James Debo Harrison]

90,000 years. And I think he was underage at that time.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. So when Todd Monkin is talking, I'm understanding exactly where he's coming from. Yes. Todd Monkin, I'm with you a thousand percent. They're bringing up a quarterback that's in college that just got caught with these bets, and now we're talking about him. We don't know his situation. I'm here. We got two quarterbacks. Y' all talking about bringing a whole nother situation. Get that out of here. Like, he got his whole stuff to deal with. The general manager, on the other hand, being able to worry about this, you

[James Debo Harrison]

as a GM don't realize you're putting your head coach in a horrible situation by actually doing that and adding that this is the same GM that said we're not trading Miles, Right? We're not trading Miles. Ain't that the same dude? Because according to all the reports over there, just, just a few weeks ago, Watson appeared to have the inside track. Now, Shadow made such significant improvements that they're going to. To go and figure out what it's going to look like when they get to real game, you know, material in pads, you know, training camp, to see

[Joe Hayden]

that wasn't coming out of nobody's mouth,

[James Debo Harrison]

telling me neither one of them has really separated themselves from the other. And now just a few weeks ago, remember, Watson supposedly had the inside track. Now your GM is saying stuff that sounds like he's open to Soros B being in the supplemental draft and bringing him in like, Joe, this is crazy.

[Joe Hayden]

Todd Monkin hasn't switched his tone. That's why I'm.

[James Debo Harrison]

But the GM gonna make the pull. He gonna pull the trigger, right?

[Joe Hayden]

If he pulls the trigger, then. But at the same time, you heard what he said.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, listen, this is my opinion. What the GM is doing, that's that, you know, that's. That's. That. That's gonna be his choice. I can't do nothing but sit here and do what I can do. And I already said it's a slippery slope. So me saying that without saying I don't want him here. Shouldn't the GM be like, hey, man, don't let me go out here and do anything or say anything that's gonna put my head coach. I just got in a position that's gonna make him have to do a difficult job or deal with that. Like, you go put him in a PR nightmare at a place that already has issues because y' all can't win.

[Joe Hayden]

But Todd Monkin is a grown man and a great coach, and that's what he was able to answer the question in the way that he did. He's not dealing with ifs and fifths. He's dealing with who was exactly on the team. Andrew Berry has to deal sometime with ifs and fifths. He was saying we weren't going to trade. Miles ended up trading him. He's not saying that we're going to get this dude. He's saying he's going to evaluate all of the players the same way that they normally evaluate them. You know what I'm saying? So he's not saying that we're going to. That doesn't mean that we're going to get him. That doesn't mean he's going to send a pick. He's just saying, no, get to do some grace. We're going to evaluate everybody and we're probably look, probably won't get him. We don't know Andrew Berry. Don't listen what he said out of his mouth. It doesn't mean it's going to be true. He said we weren't going to trade Miles. Miles is traded. He said we're going to evaluate the players, that he never said he was going to get them or not.

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[Joe Hayden]

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[Todd Monken]

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[James Debo Harrison]

Well, they got it.

[Joe Hayden]

They got.

[James Debo Harrison]

Well the first decision is going to come from, from, from, from the top and that's, that's going to be Roger Goodell on the decision if he even be able to be allowed into it.

[Joe Hayden]

So that's why it's not, it's, there's so many different layers that still got to come out of if he's first win is he going to be allowed to do it and that's going to show.

[Todd Monken]

All right.

[Joe Hayden]

Bet the NFL already is showing like they know what he's all, what he's bringing in, they know what baggage he's coming in with. You know what I'm saying? Boom. Now NFL teams, what are you willing to give up for him? And now how long is he going to be suspended? Us seeing that he's put in 40,000, 9,000 bets.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I don't. Whenever he gets in, if he gets in, he should have to wait a good year. And then when he gets in, you still got some time to serve because that's.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes, yes. We were saying this, Deebo. We're saying the same thing because people change, but there has to be time to show change. You just can't change overnight. I mean, you can change overnight, but it takes a. Like.

[James Debo Harrison]

That don't hold. Listen, bro, that. That don't hold, that changing overnight.

[Joe Hayden]

You can change overnight, but it's consistency that every single night. It means. Yeah, because you. One night, two nights, but that. It's the long. You doing it for a year. That's.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's.

[Todd Monken]

Thank you.

[Joe Hayden]

That's real. We showing growth. It's just. It's not a. It's not like.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's a lifestyle growth and. And progress. Are you progressing in the. In. In the correct direction? Like, in this situation right here, you can't. You can't say, oh, I was eating good. You know what I'm saying? I was eating clean. I just backslid a little bit. No, you backslide here. You done.

[Todd Monken]

You done.

[James Debo Harrison]

One bet. One bet. If I let you back in there, if I give you opportunity, I' ma say, listen, you got a year. We'll let you in next year. You prove that you can clean yourself up, you. That you getting the help you need, because it ain't your fought and all that. Listen, it ain't no issue, but if you bet one time, bro, you bet. Not even have nobody in your house that bets on anything. Anything. IP addresses is being tracked. All that we go see. You better not bet that. That the sun will come up.

[Joe Hayden]

You got. Yes, bro.

[James Debo Harrison]

All right.

[Joe Hayden]

Period. If it's a problem, it's real addictions. There's. There's. There's real such things as addictions, but then there's real such things as being able to get. Having to have the process and knowing that every single day I'm fighting this addiction. And I can't let that. Because once you have, like the drink.

[James Debo Harrison]

He admitted to it.

[Joe Hayden]

The thing is the first step, admitting that you have it. So as long as you have it, then you admitting it to it. So, you know, I'm battling against something every single day. So as soon as you get back in there, then like, no, it's not just. You can't just dabble. So, like, there's certain people, like, I know family that alcohol is. And they know they're going to their meetings, they're not drinking. They can't be around certain people that drink because they know what that does to them. Or there's some people that can, but it's like they know that's not their lane. They can't do that.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know what your triggers are?

[Todd Monken]

Triggers.

[Joe Hayden]

You know your triggers. So we're not like, not trying to play with what you got going on. If it's a real situation that is real going on. Because if you're in. If you're in the NBA or NFL and you play professional sports, you just can't gamble on the games.

[James Debo Harrison]

You can't gamble on the game. Right? You cannot gamble on the game. That does not happen, bro. It's gonna be very, very, very interesting to see what Roger Goodell does with this. So we obviously gonna have to get a decision here in the next week or two because the. You gotta go in what is the June 22nd for the supplement. That's the last. That's the deadline for it to apply for it. So we go figure out and we go for. We're gonna find out what. What they go do, man. We're gonna go on over here to Pittsburgh, man. Drew Aller. I got that right. You see that all her. So I gotta put the lips out like that. I can't press against that.

[Todd Monken]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

He is being mentored by Rock. By Aaron. I almost said Roger Goodell. He has been mentored by Aaron Rodgers, bro. Oh, my goodness. All are said with. With me specifically. He pulled me aside during practice to talk through some drill work or things to focus on through different drills in the film room. He's just asking me questions of what I'm seeing, what I was looking at and why. He's given me a lot of good knowledge. I'm really excited to keep learning from him. Obviously, he's one of the best to ever do it in this game. So the opportunity I have is one I'm not going to take for granted. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Is he giving him extra special attention? Is this something that maybe, you know, he's. He sees something in Allard that he doesn't know.

[Joe Hayden]

I think he's just being a great. A good. A good vet. I think he's being a good vet. I think he knows that Aaron Rodgers is on his way out and playing, able to know that none of these dudes, they can't take my spot. He's comfortable in his own skin. And I think that he's just being a good OG and really just trying to show dudes the way he's been in the league for such a long time. And I know at the same time he's trying to get himself better, he's working on his craft, he's doing the things. But when you got young dudes as first times in the league that don't really know the ropes, don't know what's going on, he has so many things that he could just literally teach him just walking around, how to treat his body, how to grow. Because you don't know what you don't know. You've never learned from a player that's been in the league this long, that's done the things that he's done. So when I got in like Sheldon Brown, he was going to his ninth year in the league, not even close to a rod going in 20, but just bro vet, you know, he's been to the Pro Bowl a long time. And just the way that he went about his business and just helped me out with film study and just showed me the way of studying third downs, how downing distances is so important. Just tendencies of like, just little stuff. I'm like, dang, thank you so much. Because that's what somebody taught him. And he just would pass it down to me and I'm like, thank you, og. He didn't have to do that. But he was working on his craft and he sees me, young rookie, just trying to learn, trying to do my best. He's like, okay, I'm gonna just give you some hints. I didn't come out there trying to be cocky. And I think where the young dudes are, if you don't act like you it's okay to not know everything and not try to be the best, but come out there, do your hardest, try your best. Try to know what you don't know, what you don't know. So when other dudes have been in certain situations and they can give you little tips and little things that like, okay, bet like this is what it. So they seen it before. So that's the thing. When you start getting these reps and you start becoming comfortable, you'll be that same og. So I just love the fact I think Aaron Rodgers is now comfortable in his own skin, obviously knows nobody's going to take his spot. He's announced that this is going to be his final season. So he just wants to be able to be a good older vet. That just shows younger dudes the right way and leave them with some tidbits of knowledge that he had

[James Debo Harrison]

definitely for. For me, it's not a him giving extra attention. It's him giving attention to the younger of the two. Or as he said me specifically, like, okay, he's not saying that for me, this is what he's doing specifically. He's doing this and that for other people. But for me, this is what he's doing X, Y and Z. So like, why is it him? He's like, he's. He's the youngest one there. Yeah. So it's things that he has to, you know, actually drive into him that probably he gave already too hot last year. You know what I'm saying? So now. And that's something else. First thing they were working on was like footwork and all that other stuff. So Aaron is not showing, you know, favoritism to Aller because, you know, he thinks he's more talented than what other people are trying to say. No know, he's a rookie. He needs more help specifically different help than Will because he has already had a year under Aaron, you know, and acquired what I would consider like the base knowledge of. Of the position, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

And that's what I'm saying. The talking and the fundamentals and the. The rookie season is the biggest year. So when them dudes get in, Debo, like you said, you don't know really nothing was going on. So Drew Allen just giving him the drills that we're doing, the tempo, the meeting schedule, just the work week. He doesn't know the season, how the practice schedule is going to change, how, you know what I'm saying? Just in and out of things that they do during the regular week. So rookies get talked to a whole lot more. Will right now is trying to get in his own duffel. He's known Aaron Rodgers gave him all of this same information last year. So you don't. He's not sitting there just trying to teach him. I'm not trying to coach you. No. I'm just trying to give you the little bits that abenge Will this and Will is learning on his own. Now he's in the second. He's trying to become his own. You know what I'm saying? I can give him a little stuff here and there. He can watch. He sees what's going on. But the talking to the little drill work stuff, he's like, nah, that's little nitbits that I Ben gave Will. Will's on his way.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. So the whole, like I said, the whole concept Bro is just him giving that attention because what was. Mike McCarthy was working with him in rookie camp. Just, like, footwork. They were just going straight through footwork that whole time. And you see him, like, one on one with him, like, so now Aaron is coming through and like, yo, here. I'm seeing this. I'm seeing that. Like, okay, this is what you need to do. I'm sure he's talking to the other guys, too, because, as he said, me specifically, he's talking to something different with Will. He's talking to something different with. With Mason. So, you know, everybody is getting different input at different levels of what it is that they're, you know, at as far as being in the game and what it is that could help them get better in the game at the. At that level that they're at. So it's no seeing this or seeing that. And it's. Yeah, y' all reading too much into it.

[Joe Hayden]

It'd be crazy if it was the other way.

[James Debo Harrison]

Nah. What's the other way?

[Joe Hayden]

He don't say to me, like, I walked. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was. I went over that. I went over. I went over to a rod, and he just. You know what I'm saying? He was like this, man, you better go ask goddamn Will or something. You better go. You better go ask him busy. You know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, it's just with this, I'm like, okay, hey, hey.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know, that's what they said. Brett far.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, man. That's what I'm saying. He could have. He could have gave him.

[James Debo Harrison]

Man, you better go figure that out.

[Todd Monken]

Don't.

[Erin Andrews]

Come on.

[Joe Hayden]

You better go. And. Because look. Yeah, because you can have a vet that really feeling like you came here to take my spot. Go learn some other way. Like, I don't have nothing for you. It's a real live competition. He could be looking at it like, J.J. mcCarthy. He stood over there.

[Todd Monken]

Hey.

[James Debo Harrison]

But that was one of the things that they said. Why they didn't. They were, I guess, supposedly.

[Joe Hayden]

Or.

[James Debo Harrison]

Or I guess it was possible that the Minnesota was looking at trying to get Aaron, and they just didn't think he would mentor J.J. mcCarthy.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, man, J.J. mcCarthy would have told Aaron Robbins he wanted smoke, and the a rod would have been like, okay, bet.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

You got my type of energy back then.

[Todd Monken]

Oh, you do?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm about to show you. You ain't got nothing. Nothing for me. Like, that's what would have happened.

[James Debo Harrison]

What do you think of this? I can't Think my head and what

[Joe Hayden]

he would have looked over there like, just understand, like, if you gotta come in there, I think these other. You gotta come in there with a humble spirit. Like, what up, Arod? You know what I'm saying? Know what it is if he JJ like this.

[James Debo Harrison]

You don't know it.

[Joe Hayden]

I want all that. Are we not splitting first team reps? Who going out there first, you or me?

[James Debo Harrison]

We ain't splitting nothing. Who y' all putting out there, me

[Joe Hayden]

or me or this old man?

[James Debo Harrison]

Who y' all putting out there?

[Joe Hayden]

Y' all tripping. I'm like, whoa. That's probably what was going on. So you gotta give off some good energy first. If I came in there to Sheldon Brown like this. Get outta here, O. I'm about to take your spot. Sheldon, what you thinking? Like, I know you've been in the league for a while, but they drafted me seven. No, you gotta come in there with a humble spirit. At the same time know you're surrounded. Still you try. I'm. I'm trying to take his spot, but I'm not about to come out there and be like this. Yeah, old man. No. What's good, Sheldon, you know what I'm saying? Respectfully, you've been in this thing. You've done it for a long time. You're obviously. You're starting and paying you a check to get here. You're not doing nothing. You're here for a reason. And I see why you're coming in here like a grown man going about your business professionally. And you. And you're being nice to me. You showing me how you how to study some film. You see, you teach me third down. Appreciate you, brother. You know what I'm saying? So you can have that energy or the order. I'm young rookie, like, man, f all these dudes. It is like that because you're trying to get a job done. But it's a way.

[James Debo Harrison]

They drafted me 4 7.

[Joe Hayden]

Huh.

[James Debo Harrison]

To come out here and take your spot. I don't need to listen.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't need to listen to nothing you talking about. I'm like, that's just. That's just crazy. You can't be thinking that. You just like. And then there's some OGs like, man, yeah, yeah, yeah. They just trying to come here. Old, young snapper like, you don't know nothing. No. If they're just like really out there trying to give you real solid game.

[Todd Monken]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Come here.

[Todd Monken]

Take it.

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Yeah, for sure. For sure, man.

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