Best of NBA News Part 2: Rich Paul JOINS to talk all things Bron + Jaylen Brown & Joel Embiid STILL haven’t spoken?!

Summary

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Nightcap — Best of NBA News Part 2: Rich Paul Joins To Talk All Things Bron + Jaylen Brown & Joel Embiid Still Haven’t Spoken?!

Date: July 15, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (“Ocho”), Joe
Special Guest: Rich Paul
Podcast: Nightcap (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap features an in-depth NBA discussion with legendary agent and Klutch Sports CEO Rich Paul. The hosts dig into LeBron James’s future, the intricacies of star player moves, team-building strategy, and evolving NBA culture. They also tackle the latest rumors, including the dynamic between Jaylen Brown and Joel Embiid, surprises in the Eastern Conference, and the impact of star personalities beyond the court.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. LeBron James’ Next Move — Rich Paul’s Perspective

Timestamps: 04:09–11:04, 18:29–20:09

• Ocho speculates LeBron’s move with confidence, pitching Miami as a top destination while Rich stays tight-lipped but honest about his role:

  “I think the clearest thing was that he wasn’t staying in LA. That was probably the most clear thing.” — Rich Paul (05:22)

• Rich speaks on the rarity of LeBron’s position: still elite in year 24, able to contribute anywhere.

• Key family and career factors influencing Bron’s decision: wife Savannah’s interests, Zuri’s volleyball, Bronny and Bryce’s locations.

• Strategy behind keeping plans secret, and how the team prides itself on being “two or three steps ahead.”

  “Bron is methodical … always ahead of the curve in everything that they do. His next move has to be his best move.” — Ocho (09:07)

• Rich clarifies that, at this stage, money isn't the primary motivator for LeBron’s decisions:

  “Right now, LJ’s not making it about the money ... That actually makes the decision harder.” — Rich Paul (17:57)

• Ocho lays out the case for LeBron avoiding the Western Conference juggernauts in favor of the East or Miami.

2. Team Structure, Mindset & NBA Business

Timestamps: 11:05–20:09

• Analysis of the Wizards as potential Eastern Conference sleepers with new additions and a championship-veteran mindset:

  “If there was a sleeper in the East, it’s Washington for me.” — Rich Paul (14:44)

• Rich expands on the challenge of getting young NBA talent to buy into roles, not “me basketball.”

• Candid talk about NBA contracts, the Supermax decisions, and player value over time.

  “Athletes have to make their most important decisions at their youngest age ... Most people can’t make it up later.” — Rich Paul (16:38)

• Rich’s advice on handling sudden wealth and career transitions, highlighting the need for life after sports.

3. Role as a Public Figure — Podcasting and Agency Impact

Timestamps: 20:09–23:34

• Addressing critics who question his dual roles as active agent and influential podcaster:

  “I’m not turning down an opportunity to influence the youth ... While all these people are talking, they were never going to give somebody like me the opportunity.” — Rich Paul (20:26)

• “Discouragement has killed more people than guns. I just can’t focus there.” — Rich Paul (22:46)
• On trailblazing as a Black agent/CEO, building a company beyond a “book of business,” and his responsibility to mentor and employ others.

4. Draft, Talent Evaluation, & Business Building

Timestamps: 23:34–27:08

• Rich on not wanting to run an NBA team (à la Leon Rose or Rob Pelinka):

  “No, not right now. We rolling, huh? Did you see the draft?” — Rich Paul (23:45)

• Detailed praise for young talent in 2026 draft class, including Caleb Williams and the importance of authentic, hard-working mindsets.

• Comparing building a business vs. building a “book of business,” and the daily grind of talent and executive work.

5. Personal Reflections & Parallel Journeys

Timestamps: 27:08–32:10

• Ocho and Rich swap stories about “what if” scenarios if sports/agency hadn’t worked out.

  “I probably would have been in music or fashion, you know? Vice President of global marketing at a shoe company ... or a music manager.” — Rich Paul (30:06)

• Strong pride in not resting on opportunities given by friends (LeBron) but instead building something lasting.

  “I was tremendously appreciative. So much so that I couldn’t wait to do what I’ve been able to do and not be dependent upon.” — Rich Paul (27:44)

• Ocho jokes about breaking into music:

  “We gonna have to put that auto-tune on you though, Ocho.” — Rich Paul (31:48)

6. Handling Player Slumps & Criticism

Timestamps: 32:26–35:07

• Advice Rich gave to De’Aaron Fox after a rough playoff series: have a short memory, stay positive, and realize that even the best athletes have rough patches.

  “Anytime you play a sport, you gotta have short memory … you just gotta weather the storm.” — Rich Paul (32:52)

• The perils of overexposure to social media and the importance of accountability.

7. NBA X’s & O’s: Passing, Fit, and Team Construction

Timestamps: 42:26–49:48

• Deep dive into how Ant Edwards and Lamelo Ball are set to elevate the Timberwolves as an exciting, new backcourt pairing.
• Detailed breakdown of why passing is the most underrated attribute, particularly for bigs:

  “If your bigs can pass the ball, man, your offense can run real smooth, bro.” — Joe (48:15)

• Comparisons drawn to Jokic, Olajuwon, and Shaq as examples of transformative passing bigs.

8. Rumor Mill: Jaylen Brown and Joel Embiid Haven’t Spoken

Timestamps: 69:59–80:46

• Breaking down surprising reports that newly minted teammates Jaylen Brown and Joel Embiid have yet to connect after Brown’s trade to Philly.

  “There hasn’t been any communication as far as my knowledge.” — Sports Analyst (70:52)

• Panel discusses the “standard protocol” for stars joining forces: is it a big deal? Does it matter?
• Joe: veteran players usually touch base. Ocho: in today’s NBA, not a big deal until camp.

  “A lack of communication can lead to a misunderstanding, man. That’s all it was.” — Joe (74:43)

• Comparisons to NFL protocols; Unc draws distinction between today’s “positional friends” versus old-school camaraderie.

9. Personal Stories, HBCU Experiences & Locker Room Chemistry

Timestamps: 90:44–99:27

• Unc, Joe, and Ocho reminisce about HBCU and college sports culture, brotherhood, and the chaos and fun of the old days.
• Ocho laments missing out on HBCU experience himself, but shares pride in daughter’s journey.
• Discussion of HBCU campus life, traditions, and the long-lasting impact of college bonds.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Rich Paul on LeBron’s Decision Process:

  “When you remove the money now, you actually have clarity. You never seen an athlete be in this position, huh? … I’ve never seen it.” (18:34)

• On Agent/Podcaster Criticism:

  “Discouragement has killed more people than guns. And, you know, I just can’t. I can’t focus there, man. It’s just too tough.” (22:46)

• Ocho on LeBron's Mindset:

  “LeBron is methodical … always ahead of the curve. His next move has to be his best move.” (09:07)

• Ocho on NBA Rumors:

  “How you think I knew Giannis was coming to Miami? … I don’t even need sources ‘cause I be in the room with the people that’s making the moves.” (53:01)

• Joe on the Value of Passing:

  “If your bigs can pass the ball, man, your offense can run real smooth, bro.” (48:15)

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• LeBron’s Priorities/Decision: 05:22, 09:06, 09:52
• Wizards as a Sleeper: 11:34–14:50
• On Athletes & Career Value: 16:38–18:29
• Rich Paul on Criticism: 20:26–22:46
• Rich Paul on Draft, Talent: 24:27–27:08
• Locker Room/Player Chemistry: 69:59–80:46
• HBCU & College Nostalgia: 90:44–99:27

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Recap & Takeaways

• LeBron’s free agency is unprecedented: He has total freedom not just because of career stature but because he doesn’t have to chase money.
• Rich Paul is redefining the agent’s role: He influences beyond contracts, shaping culture and breaking barriers for future generations.
• NBA team-building & passing are evolving: The conversation highlighted how fit, selflessness, and adaptability create winning teams.
• Star chemistry still matters: The Jaylen Brown and Joel Embiid communication gap is rare at this level, sparking debate about NBA locker-room norms.
• Brotherhood & legacy: The hosts’ college and HBCU tales emphasized sports as a lifelong bond, shaping both character and community.

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Bottom Line:
This Nightcap episode blended hard NBA analysis, inside scoops, cultural reflection, and a healthy dose of locker room storytelling. With Rich Paul as a guest, listeners got an authentic behind-the-scenes look at star power decisions, agent life, and the personal side of basketball at its highest level.

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Transcript

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[Sean Devaney]

Look who just popped up on the screen, guys.

[Ocho]

Hey. Who he muted hey Rich.

[Rich Paul]

Rich, you muted I'm unmuted.

[Ocho]

Hey, what's up? What's up twin?

[Rich Paul]

What's good?

[Ocho]

Hey, I'm sitting here trying to educate. I'm trying to educate these two on My Excellency when it comes to talking basketball and where I brother LeBron going. Like I know you can't say it, but I know where you're going. I'm trying to explain to them why he's going and why it makes the most sense.

[Rich Paul]

Well, you know better than me.

[Ocho]

Yeah, see what I told Y', all,

[Sean Devaney]

I told you, Rich, obviously this has been something going on. When LeBron didn't have. LeBron was on the expiring contract, and, you know, there was going to be some decisions that had to be made. Is he going back? Is he going to retire? If he leaves it. If and when he leaves and goes somewhere else, what's he looking for? Is it a championship? Is it a place? Is. You know, I got Savannah, and Zuri's enrolled, and she got her volleyball going on. Savannah has her stuff. Bronnie's doing his thing. We got Bryce in Arizona. So as you sat down and talked to LeBron, what became abundantly and crystal clear to you what LeBron was looking for?

[Rich Paul]

Oh, man, that's a good question. I mean, you know, I think all of our former athletes, it's just uncharted waters. You know, there's very seldom you get to year 24, and number one, you're still playing at such a high level, and then number two, you're still able to contribute and unlock things wherever you may end up. I think the clearest thing was that he wasn't staying in la. That was probably the most clear thing.

[Sean Devaney]

When did you realize that? When did you realize LeBron is not going back to the Lakers? When he finally told you, like, okay, you can start shopping me elsewhere?

[Rich Paul]

Yeah, you know, I think, you know, look, you guys know me for the crazy thing is all of y' all know me for a long time, so

[Ocho]

I,

[Rich Paul]

you know, I don't fake, but there's nothing to fake here. It's. It was. Yeah. Just as simple as that. You know, all those decisions are tough. Obviously, you play somewhere for a long time and, you know, you still want to play the game, but you understand your positioning and how you want to go about things. And so when he made that clear, that was the only clear thing that. That. That. That I had possession of everything else. You know, you just have to go to work and try to set the table as best as possible to allow him to understand what's in front of him. And he's obviously. You guys know, Brian is extremely smart with all this stuff, so he has a. He has an understanding of what's there, but there are some things that you have to think about that we go through. And believe it or not, you know, I know just as much as you guys know.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, Rich. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. What's up?

[Rich Paul]

What's good? You know what, Joe, man, you got an issue, man.

[Joe]

What we got?

[Rich Paul]

I ain't seen You. I ain't heard from you. I used to hear from you all the time. What's going on, Joe? You know, you my guy. I come to Little Rock, don't hear. Listen, where is Joe? Hey, what's going on?

[Joe]

Hey, hey. I keep up with you, man. I see you moving around, doing your thing. I'm proud.

[Sean Devaney]

You know what I mean?

[Rich Paul]

You had several conversations and, you know, you know the uphill battle it is and what you got to deal with. Someone in my position and now being in an executive role and what I've been able to build along with my colleagues and things like that, you know, we here, man, here to stay.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. I seen your whiteboard.

[Rich Paul]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

I seen your whiteboard. I seen it. I wanna know.

[Rich Paul]

You saw one of my whiteboards?

[Joe]

I saw one of your. Okay, One of your whiteboards. Do y' all got it narrowed down to about four or five teams, or everybody kind of still wide open?

[Rich Paul]

I don't know nothing about no narrowing down, Joe.

[Sean Devaney]

Well, they say he about to make a decision. We just talked about this at, you know, this Sean Devaney, A pair of

[Rich Paul]

lips to say anything, man. See, I like going to nightcap, like, have a little fun. I want to come on here. I've been trying to appreciate you coming with you guys, man, but. Yeah, don't, don't. Listen. Don't nobody know if I don't know who know.

[Ocho]

See?

[Rich Paul]

And I know if you know.

[Ocho]

Oh, I, I, I. I'm telling you, I know. Listen, let me say. I'm gonna say what Rich can't say. Obviously, Rich is in a position. He's in a. He's in a great position, but he is a gift and a curse to be in a position that he's in, being the executive that he is. So he has to keep it hush. You have to understand LeBron and Rich and their team in general, how they always been. They've always been two or three steps ahead of everybody else.

[Rich Paul]

Huh?

[Ocho]

And what I like to call. I like to call it playing the waiting game. LeBron is methodical. They're very strategic, and they're always ahead of the game. They're always ahead of the curve in everything that they do. His next move has to be his best move. That's what they thinking. So obviously, stay with me. Now, look at. Look at the landscape of the NBA right now. What is the best thing for LeBron to do? Okay. Do I want to go play in the West? In the West? Absolutely not. Listen, Golden State, it looked good on paper. Does he want to play with Steph? Yes, he's always loved to play with Steph. But at this point in his career, do you want to go to the west and deal with. With them? With them Juggernauts? No, you don't want to deal with. You don't want to deal with Denver, you don't want to deal with the spurs and Wimy, you don't want to deal with them. So what's the best fit for him? The east over there in Philly.

[Joe]

Why?

[Ocho]

You got Maxi need the ball. You got Jalen Brunson again, I said earlier, you. I mean, excuse me, Jalen Brown. You got Embiid sort of clogging up the hole a little bit. He in the way. That don't make no sense down here. The 305 in the county where you already been. Why not bring another trip down here? You could facilitate. You could dictate. Well, hold the place of the games.

[Joe]

Well, hey, do I gotta worry about my cookies getting taken again? Not be good, huh? I mean, you telling me that now, but when I get there, what is

[Sean Devaney]

it gonna be like? It's like a recruiting trip, Joe. They tell you all the good stuff until they get you to sign. And then all of a sudden. No, it ain't nothing like that.

[Ocho]

We gonna be good.

[Rich Paul]

We're gonna be good, man. Y' all funny, man.

[Sean Devaney]

But let me ask you this, okay?

[Joe]

Hey, listen real quick.

[Angela Yee]

Go ahead.

[Sean Devaney]

Joe. Rich.

[Joe]

Damn. Can we. I mean, what coast?

[Rich Paul]

Nothing.

[Joe]

Joe.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe, I just. Joe, I just explained everything to you. He's in a tough spot. Yeah, I'm Rich representation right now. I'm his voice on his platform. I'm telling y' all what's going to happen.

[Joe]

It just kind of hard to believe.

[Sean Devaney]

You have another client and he got traded from the Lakers, went to Dallas, he got injured right there. And he really didn't get an opportunity to fulfill because the way they looked at it, they thought if we got Kyrie, we got AD and they ended up getting Cooper flag. I would have loved to have seen how that would have panned out. It didn't happen. But if AD can give them somewhere between 60 and 65 games with Trey with something to prove after being traded from Atlanta and AJ Debonza. Can the Wizards.

[Rich Paul]

I think the Wizards are top 16 in the East. I think. I think the wizards are top 16 in the east, man. I really believe that because, you know, say what you want about Trey. Look, it's very difficult to play one on one basketball defensively in the NBA. I don't care who you are, nobody can guard Joe Johnson. Nobody out the best of them. And we had some great defenders. Tony Allen was, was, was the, was numero uno off night. He was the original off night. You had, you had a lot of great defenders back then. It's just hard to defend a guy one on one. So you know, you got to have great team defensive guys, guys that, that, that can help side defense, your rotations have to be right when it comes to being a great team. I think understanding and getting guys to buy in and play a role has a major factor. The younger the team, you gotta think all these guys are coming from. It was my situation. They picked the school they wanted to go to, they picked the AAU team they wanted to play on, they picked the high school team they wanted to play on. So now I get to the league, I don't have that. So now who's willing to actually buy in? Who's willing to play a role? Right? Because you're not, you're not getting 20 shot of 25 shot attempts every night. Not when you got all stars and all NBA type guys on the team, right? And then someone has to sacrifice. So I think if the Wizards, the organization is not what people would think perceive just because they had a losing record, they're actually doing some really great things there in Washington. They went out and got Will Dawkins and Michael Winger, the ownership group had already been great. So that's never been an issue. You know, Ted and his son Zach are tremendous people. I just believe that they're going to be a really strong team and a shock to the east this year given that all cylinders are clicking. I know AJ's coming in as the number one pick, but he's going to have to fit in and play a role. Now there'll be some nice where he get off and do his thing, no question about it. And he's talented enough to do so. But it's just all about the buy in. And that happens in training camp, that happens in the film room. That happens on a Tuesday night against Sacramento or against Milwaukee or the young teams that you may see on, look and see on paper and say, oh, we should beat them. But then you have to actually beat them because this is the NBA. So you go in there and you playing me basketball, you won't win. The one thing AD brings to the table is he's a champion, right? He's been to the finals and won. He's been to the Western Conference finals when he came to la, I think six out of the seven years or whatever he was there. They made the playoffs, maybe five out of the seven. But they play high level basketball the entire time. So he brings that into the locker room. And in addition to. They got those wings, they got great, they got really young guards. And I think, I think they're going to do things the right way. So if there was a sleeper in the east, it's Washington for me. Now, could they be six, could they be eight? Whatever. You know, a couple games off would dictate that. But, you know, staying healthy, I think they'll be the surprise of the league this year.

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Sean Devaney]

Do you look at Wimby? Wimby has an opportunity to sign a supermax contract. 303 million. He takes 250.

[Rich Paul]

Don't do this to me.

[Sean Devaney]

And you hear a lot of agents,

[Rich Paul]

don't do this to me, man.

[Sean Devaney]

I know, but see, I know how you feeling, but the thing is that second apron, and we hear Brad Stevenson saying that's why we, you know, we had to move on from Jaylen Brown. I don't, whatever the case may be. But I, I thought winning was the most important. And if we're going to win, okay, if we have to go to the first apron, the second apron, hell, if we got to get a apron, apron,

[Rich Paul]

you got to get aunt, your mama's apron left for all that money. Listen, here's the thing. I think, I think, I think there's certain decisions that can be made by certain people. And you know, if, you know Wemby, if, you know his representation, both Jeremy and Boone are really great guys. I think he's one of those guys that can actually do it and justify it down there in San Antonio for different reasons. But I do think that may, I don't know if it sets a trend, but, you know, it depends on your situation and it depends on what's important to you. The way I look at things has always been, you guys aren't going to play forever. I don't know if you're going to play 5 years, 7 years, 10 years, 14. And at some point, you know, you know, your value doesn't stay consistent or doesn't increase. Most people's values decrease, especially after the year five or six, sometimes seven. So. And I think that's one of those things that is very, it's misleading for the fans and for people that watch our sport and watch athletes, they think, oh, they, they make money and they make that level of money all the time. No, right. The other thing too is Athletes have to make their most important decisions at their youngest age. See, you guys just like, unlike executives, we keep getting bites at the apple. You know, you can go and do something else. You know, you reposition yourself. I work over here for this corporate, Corporate company. Now I go over here and, you know, the mistakes I made at 35, now I'm making my money at 45, and then I really hit it at 55. You guys don't get that. That hardwood. Don't give that gridiron, don't give that ice rink, don't give that baseball diamond. Don't get. You can't. And, you know, you can't play forever. And so you say, well, you can make it up. Not really. And the other thing is. Well, most people can't. And the other thing is, you know, when you. I always say, the more years you play in college, just take those years at your highest earning potential and knock it off your career earnings. And so it's tough, right? And so I don't necessarily recommend things, but also, I don't represent everybody, but if my client is in a position to where he can do that, like right now, LJ's not making about the money. He's not making about the money. We didn't. We didn't. We didn't sit back and tell nobody to hold, nothing to do. You know, there was conversations, but at the end of the day, you know, people got to do what they need to do, but it's not about that. And so that actually makes the decision harder because as you guys, as former athletes, when have you ever made a decision that wasn't about the money? As an athlete?

[Joe]

Right.

[Rich Paul]

That. That always trumps your decision because you can say, man, you know what? I really like that team over there, but they got a dollar, this team over here, offering 10. Hey, I gotta go get this $10 just because of the position. I don't know how long I'm gonna be able to get that 10, but.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

Is that what makes it so difficult? It's because everybody seemed to have the damn same amount.

[Rich Paul]

Well, here's the thing. When you remove the money now, you actually have clarity. You never seen an athlete be in this position, huh? When have you ever seen an athlete be in this position where he can sit there and say, oh, don't worry about the money?

[Commercial Announcer]

How

[Rich Paul]

I've never seen it. I don't know. I've been around a long time. It's my 25th season. It's his 24. I count 25. I don't know, I've never seen that before. And so. But that's not the only thing that makes it difficult. There's a number of things that makes it difficult. Obviously, being in year 24, you're not in 12 or 14 and so you really have to evaluate things a lot differently. And you know, look, we're never going to be rushed to do anything. And we damn sure don't give, don't care about what nobody has to say or think. Not at this point. We didn't work too hard to get here. Now we can't be worried about that. I think it's more so just, you know, when the man's ready to make his decision, he makes a decision. But I say all that to say when you talk about from Wemby's situation, I tip my hat. You know, he's showing leadership with his group of people and you know, that spurs organization, man, they, you know, they are first class. And you know, I think, I don't know how much, I don't see how much was like a 30 million dollar difference or whatever the case may be. 50 million dollar difference over 5. So that's 10, Texas 8. Yeah, you know, it's real money. But hey, everybody's situation is different. My situation is different.

[Sean Devaney]

What about the criticism, Rich? They say you're an active agent and you have a pod and you're speaking on. You don't only just speak on things that, that, that might impact you and your clients, but potentially speaking on things that impact other clients and other agents and other teams. What do, what do you say to them?

[Rich Paul]

Everybody's speaking on everything, huh? Everybody's speaking on everything. What I say is, you know, I'm not turning down an opportunity to influence the youth, to give the youth confidence that they can do anything. Because guess what? While all these people are the main ones talking, they're also the main ones wasn't gonna ever give somebody that look like me, that come from what? I come from the lack there of a higher education opportunity. So why should I care what they have to say when I'm continuing to just look at the blaze that's being trailed. Don't worry about what I'm saying. Just look at the legs that's being trailed and the opportunities that's given. I have 230, 229, including myself, 30 young people that work. You know, when I first started my business, nobody believed, you know, how hard it was for me to get an opportunity. Not many meetings. I had to be dry runs. I had to make and be turned down. And so I think it's not necessarily what's being said. It's the package that the words is coming in. You know, it's me. And I understand that, and that's okay. But just because it hadn't been done before don't mean it ain't the right thing to do. And look, there is a responsibility that comes with things, and I know that. But if you really listen and don't, don't. Don't focus on the clipping. Even early on this year, I just gave a scenario based upon what my colleague was saying, and I gave a scenario breaking down what could be. And if you dissect it, what was sought after, a big. All I said is if it was me. The way I look at it, because, as you know, this is what I do. I do this every day, all day, evaluate talent. And it's not just people say, oh, well, you just an agent. Well, actually, that's not true. I'm actually a CEO of the company that happens to be an agent. And so, you know, trying to put somebody in a box is the worst thing, especially for me. I mean, it's just tough to put. Put me in a box because, you know, I know how hard it is. And once somebody turn that water, that faucet off and you go there and you try to turn that faucet on, there's no more water. You still thirst, you gotta drink. So you gotta create other pipelines, you know, because you know how this thing goes. And so I don't get discouraged. Discouragement has killed more people than guns. And, you know, I just can't. I can't focus there, man. It's just too tough. Especially when I know how hard it is to get an opportunity. And, you know, players have podcasts. You know, the moment that it distracts or get in the way of my. Of my day job, then that's a different story. But it doesn't at all. You know, I haven't missed a beat. We growing and. And we having a lot of fun. And, you know, again, they talked about Jesus, man. So I don't consider. I don't take myself too serious.

[Joe]

Hello.

[Sean Devaney]

Would you leave? Would you leave. Would you leave your current role to become. To run a team, say, like a Rob, like a Leon Rose? Would that something you would consider?

[Rich Paul]

No, not right now. Not right now. We rolling, huh? Did you see the draft?

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Speaking of the draft, man, you got one of my favorite players to watch. I watched him at high school. Caleb Williams.

[Ocho]

Caleb Wait, he nice.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey. I've been ranting, raving to Arkin Ocho about how nice he is, and I thought he showed great flash in college, obviously him getting hurt. But when you think about it, rich, he made seven threes in college, bro. He went seven for 11 the other night from three. And they talk about, oh, man, he reminds me of kg. He reminds me of kg. Hell, I seen a lot of KD the other night.

[Rich Paul]

Yeah, no, listen, I think I've always said it. I thought he had the most upside in the entire draft and just a tremendous kid, a great family, and he's serious about his approach. He's serious about his profession. When you see the post game interview, they said you had 35. He's like, yeah, but we lost. Focus on that. We lost. And then he talked about how he was emotional going into the game and being vulnerable and being able to state that, hey, I was emotional. I actually cried because this is my first time playing since I got hurt. The game means that much to me. That's not an act. Yeah, I'm just letting you know that's not an act. That is. That is very authentic and true to the core. And, you know, we had, you know, Caleb and Koha, Pete and Braden Burges just an unbelievable draft class this year, man. And you know, just. Just unbelievable young men and families, though. That's the thing. And so, yeah, you know, when you talk about going to do something else, you know, obviously, you know, people talk about that and there's been rumors and, you know, every competitive agent meeting, they tell families, oh, Rich, going to run a team and things like that. I think that's part of the game. But the reality of it is, no, you know, I built a real. See, it's a difference between building a business and building a book of business. I built a business. And so it's not that easy to go away from. And I don't even want to do that, but it's not that easy to go away from. I enjoy what I do. Getting up every day. I'm in that office every day. If I'm not on the golf course, obviously. And, you know, I think it's. I'll say this, I'm honored when people say that because as you guys know, I come a long way, man. But at the same time, I really enjoy what I do. The moment I stop enjoying it, I won't do it. But, but, but right now, I really enjoy what I do. I have great clients, I have great families. We built a tremendous business. That stretches far beyond representation. And, you know, every day I get up, I'm still thinking of how to get better. I'm still trying to perfect my craft, man, and find different ways of processing and, you know, different verticals. That's. That's not representation. Just a representation adjacent. I'm learning a lot every day. And so, you know, you learn from young people. You get a lot of young people around you. They. These kids are smart, man. Very smart. So, yeah, I'm learning a lot, so. Nah, nah, not right now, man. Not right now. I'm still a young man. You know, what you trying to.

[Sports Analyst]

Why you trying.

[Rich Paul]

Why are you trying to get me out the game? Hey, you with them.

[Sean Devaney]

I ain't trying to get you out of the game.

[Rich Paul]

You admit it. Okay, okay.

[Joe]

Go ahead, Ocho. Go ahead.

[Ocho]

No, I got a question. With everything you accomplished, being a CEO, building a business, if you didn't go this route. Yeah, if you didn't go this way. Hell, if I didn't play football, if football didn't work out, I wanted to be a marine biologist. I wanted to be a veterinarian because I love animals and I love killer whales.

[Rich Paul]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

What would you would have been your other route if it didn't pan out the way it is?

[Rich Paul]

That's a good question. I was always a people's person, Ocho. You know that. Hell, me and you became friends. I ain't played football. Wasn't ever in the Bangles locker room or nothing. We just. You just had a liking for me, you know, and the same way with me and Joe, you know. That's a good question. Look again. I threw so many things at the wall, hoping one stick, man, and then. And obviously, you know, I think people get it misconstrued when I talk about my journey and people try to make it that I'm. As if I'm not appreciative of the opportunity that LeBron forth gave me. I was tremendously appreciative. So much so that I couldn't wait to do what I've been able to do and not be dependent upon. Because I think when an athlete give you an opportunity as a friend, as a brother, as a cousin, distant cousin, you know, whatever the case may be, that's not something that you should rest on, you know, that's not to, you know, to make a bed. That's more of like a palette, you know, and it's just one of those boosters. But. But. But then I think the most respect that we can show you guys is to go on and build something. And then you can look back and say, hey, man, you know what? I'm with that. You know, And I try to. And I say that to all the young guys that surround my clients. I tell them, you know, it's on you. There's no way that you should be sleep. When. When your guy go to practice and come back from practice. There's no way. There's no way them cars should be on E or not washed. There's no way the cleaners shouldn't be there. The Amazon boxes shouldn't be by them doors, that garage door, that front door, that snow. That's that. That. That snow removal should be on time. You know, that refrigerator, them cleaning crews, all of that, because it's just a proper way of doing things. And as you know, I try to get a game and as best as I can, man. I'm extremely appreciative of the opportunity that was given to me, but at the same time, I knew I couldn't lean on that. And the last thing I ever wanted to do was be that guy in the section. And then when it's all over, them people ain't picking up your phone calls, you know, when you. I had to build something, they're not picking up your call. They don't care who you used to hang around with. You know, that don't. That don't mean nothing. That's not gonna pay the bills. And so I try to express that as best as possible because, you know, I've seen a lot, man. I've seen a whole lot. A whole lot. Had to deal with a whole lot. And so I don't know, Ocho, probably. I probably would have been in the music, probably. Music or fashion, you know? Music or fashion. I could. I could. I could, you know, Vice president of global marketing at one of these shoe companies or, you know, a manager, music manager. I can manage talent all day long. I'm an nr, too. Now. I can pick a lot of records and find writers and get songs made and find the producers. Do I. You know, I had a record deal at 25, 24 years old. Come on, man. You know, listen, you can sing. I didn't pick singles. I didn't done it all. Ocho, that's just. What again? That's just me.

[Sean Devaney]

Well, we know you can pick a single.

[Rich Paul]

No, no, no, no, no. I picked singles. I picked. Come on. There you go.

[Ocho]

I'm single. Okay.

[Sean Devaney]

Oh, I picked.

[Rich Paul]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, you know, I'm glad. I'm glad you said that, man. You know, LeBron LeBron gave you an opportunity. You know, he threw your layup. And you know I say I sing too, so I can sing my singing demo.

[Rich Paul]

Here you go. Hey, listen, Ocho, I don't know about no layup. May have been a pass. I had to make the layup myself.

[Ocho]

Right, right, right, right. You know, I've been trying to get in the music industry. Music industry for a little minute. You know, I can sing now. I can sing my demo.

[Rich Paul]

This is what we need to do for you. Because one thing about you, you got it. You're a star. I know you're a star. Listen, we gotta surround you with the right writers. Yeah, we gotta. We, you know, we gotta get you the right reference. We're gonna have to put that auto tune on you though, man, because I know you. We got to put that auto tune on you, Ocho. But we're gonna do all the other stuff, the theatrics, man.

[Sean Devaney]

You go. Might need to put autos on car parts.

[Ocho]

Hey, come on. Hey. I ain't inviting you to my show when I perform.

[Sean Devaney]

We'll get you out on this. Rich, you know what, being in this business, like you say quarter century and you've had, you've seen some players have some up and downs. You right? Well, with LeBron in 2011, Darren Foxx had a very similar situation this year. Had, had. You know, he didn't play his best ball. We know Darren Fox is an all star. He's a phenomenal talent. What were some of the things that you relayed to him that you talked to him about after the series? Yeah, I talked to him a lot.

[Rich Paul]

Series over. During the series, you know, after games and things like that. You know, anytime you play a sport, you gotta have short memory. You gotta have short memory. I think people, it's hard to place a one season on a not so used series. I think we've all seen that from the best of athletes. You know, you just don't look like yourself for a series for whatever reason. Shots not falling, don't have your same quickness of your shift or the timing is off or anything like that. And sometimes it just every, you know, you said that black table, black tape that blackjack table long enough, you don't get a bad shoe. Maybe one or two of them. You know, you just gotta weather the storm. You know, New edition made. Made the best song ever. Can you stand the rain? So I think it's. I think during that time we was just having conversations about short memory, keeping the confidence, you know, understanding that the social Media is, especially with all the things that's going on with gambling and things like that. Now, I think the comments and things like that is out of control when it comes to things like that. So you have to block those things out, but also do other things. Having, you know, not being on scoring don't mean you can't affect the game in different ways. So, so just trying to keep. Any time in that situation, you're just trying to keep guys positive. But at the same time, there's a balancing act. Like, you can talk about it, but then you can't talk too much about it, right? Because at the end of the day, you don't want to be drowned out. And when I say you, I'm saying the athlete don't want to be drowned out with it. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta choose your spots, go by the house, had a conversation, have a little meal. You may have five, six conversations, and we. The conversation within that conversation about it, and then you move on. But, but, but de' Aaron's a professional. I have no doubt that, that he'll, he'll, he'll have a good year this year. We don't make excuses. And so, you know, you gotta have accountability in situations like that. And he said it himself, you know, obviously, you know, he needed to, to do a better job. And I think, given the opportunity, the next time, he will. Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

Appreciate that, man. Hey, Rich, thanks for stopping by, man.

[Rich Paul]

Yeah, no problem. I know I've been trying to get on.

[Sean Devaney]

Hey, tell Lebron tell. Hey, tell go when you want to have that big reveal. Take me on Nightcap Club. Shay, Shay.

[Rich Paul]

You know, y', all, y' all get on me, man. I don't listen. I don't know anything. I know just as much as y' all know, you know.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Typically, typically, I hit him, Rich. I hit him in the dm. He'll hit me right back. Hell, I hit him. I said, hey, man. I said, I need you to come on Night cabin. I still ain't hearing from him. Typically hit me right back.

[Rich Paul]

Didn't he tell you he was going to do this? He said, I thought y' all was going to do the show. Well, he gonna do it now, but I, I thought, I don't know.

[Sean Devaney]

I thought, hey, hey, he, he. His face car good anytime.

[Rich Paul]

Yeah, yeah, I know that.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Sean Devaney]

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[Rich Paul]

I watch the show, man. I, I, I just, I enjoy the show. And you know, y' all my guys, man, so I said, I've been trying to come on and it's tough. So this happened to be the right time. I hit Ash. I said, y', all, I hit you. I said, y' all on? He said, yeah, yeah, I'm on. So I appreciate, appreciate you guys having me on, man. Enjoy the rest of the show. Thank you.

[Sean Devaney]

Appreciate it. Tell the wife we said I will do when she performed again if she toured anytime soon.

[Rich Paul]

Not to my knowledge. Yeah, not to my.

[Sean Devaney]

Get off my part, man.

[Rich Paul]

I got blinders on, man. You know, one thing for sure, I'm like this.

[Joe]

Hey, they don't know nothing about that, Rich. They don't know how to horse at the Kentucky Derby.

[Rich Paul]

All he see is the finish line, man. I don't know who on the left or who on the right. I'm just like this.

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[Joe]

Yeah, I think it can definitely happen. Obviously, health plays a big factor. Uncle Ocho, but when you look at Lamelo Ball and Ant man, their games complement one another. Lamelo is so unselfish. He made guys around him better. He has a natural feel. Feel. A natural, great feel for the game. Like when you watch a cat play bro like his, it ain't necessarily about him coming out scoring 30, 40 points a night. It's his natural feel of the game, knowing how to pass when to pass, you know, seeing plays happen before they really even happen. And Lamelo is like that, bro. He. Hell if I ain't mistaken, Uncle Ocho, I think he led the league as far as usage rate, making guys around him better. It's some stat I seen. But I think he's definitely going to make the game a lot easier for Ant man offensively because he knows and understands. Listen, okay, boom. This our horse. I definitely got to get him going. I got to get him at least 8 to 10 easy points to where he don't even have to fight and work hard, you know what I mean? And then it's going to be nice where he probably going to have 14, 15 damn assists. But then they're going to be some other nights where you going to have an efficient 22, 25 points. He'll lead him in school, you know what I mean? I just feel like, yes, they compliment one another and it's going to be so fun to watch because they're both so electric, box office and can play, bro. They both got something to prove. Lamelo gonna have a chip on his shoulder, you know what I mean? This, this, this gonna be good for the game.

[Sean Devaney]

And you look at it, Joe, he's got a guy. Not only can he facilitate that, now here's the Lamelo is going to be the best scorer that he's played with since Cat. And he's playing with a guy that's

[Rich Paul]

a little more

[Sean Devaney]

flamboyant as far as passing the ball than Mike Conley. He can score better than Mike Conley. They're kind of saying Mike Conley could facilitate, but Mike Conley wasn't the scorer that Lamelo is. Yeah, and nobody said so. Now you got him and you got McDaniels coming on into his own. So now you just can't gang up on Ant Man. You've got to pay these other guys some attention. And so it's going to be very, very interesting to watch. I can't wait to see it play. I can't wait to see him go at it because ant man is so fun to watch. I've never seen a guy because normally most guys be taking it serious. They don't really. Ant man will engage with fans on the sideline.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

He like, oh, you're like, man, oh, hey, I gotta work out. I'll be big like you. I said, I don't know about that, Eddie. Oh, no, no, no, no. This is. This is a lot of not eating and a lot of working out.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. It's good that he know his body. Cause, you know, some, some of us know. You know, we know. But we can't afford no, no bad week or two. Hell, we've been picked up £10. Hey, but I, I think Minnesota, Uncle Ocho, I think they gonna lean heavily on McDaniel. Really making a huge jump.

[Sean Devaney]

Yeah.

[Joe]

This upcoming season. Because they gonna be perimeter dominant, Dom, and they gonna need guys to really be able to score points and be effective on both ends of the court. And they got a number of cats who can do that, bro. So do you.

[Sean Devaney]

They got offensive firepower. You look at the Somo, you look at Shannon, you look at Lamelo, you look at Ant. Like you said, if McDaniels take that next step offensively, they got four or five guys that we know on a given. Well, we know Ant man can get 30, 40, but the other guys. And we see Mello get 40, but those other guys can get you a solid 20. Easy.

[Joe]

Yeah, easy. They got.

[Sean Devaney]

They. And so now we got you. Look, you got your anchor with Rudy. Rudy gonna get. Rudy's gonna be. Rudy. Just give me a double double Rudy. Anything over eight points we'll graciously accept, but we need you to be somewhere around 11, 12, 13 rebounds a game, around two, three block shots a game with some intimidation factor. Because even though you don't block it, you alter it so much, they're not even close to making it.

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Sean Devaney]

You have Ant man gonna be Ant Man. I'm, I'm, I'm counting on him being that, but I, I, I, I agree with you, Joe. I think they're going to be, I think they're going to be a very fun team. Um, you know, they moved on from Drew Randall. They, they felt like he was clogging it up and, and, and wasn't u. This is me. Nobody's told me this, but, like, I don't really think he ever really fit with what they were trying to do, Joe.

[Joe]

Right. You know, I think what happened, especially in the playoffs, they tried to play through Randle and it just didn't work. You know, obviously Ant man was hurt. He was hobbled. Hell, he even came off the bench the first, I think, game or two.

[Sean Devaney]

Yes.

[Joe]

And it just didn't happen for him. You right? The games don't complement each other because he's just not a. He can catch and shoot and make a three, but he ain't no damn catch and shoot three. You know what I mean? Like, he a guy, he kind of gotta play through in order for him to be effective, you know what I mean? You gotta drop him the ball in the mid post and let him work a little bit, you know what I mean? And they just kind of like force feeding. So I just think they're really thinking back, you know. Obviously with them getting rid of Cat and him going to win a title. Hell, man. Hey, hey, things happen, bro. Move on, you know what I mean? Like we.

[Sean Devaney]

I think the thing also Ocho and Joe, is that because Julius Randall is not a great passer. He doesn't do a great job of passing when the double team comes and he doesn't have a signature move. So now he's got to take 15 dribbles just to get within a couple of feet of the basketball to try to bull his way to the basket. Up and under you. Well, man, so why you doing all that? I'm just standing around watching Joe. Hey, I. Hey, Joe, I'm like this. I'm ready. Hey, what you gonna do for me now? Come on now, shoot it to me. I'm ready.

[Joe]

Hey,

[Sean Devaney]

like, well, damn. Hey, he like a. He like a dump truck. A sanitation truck. Beep, beep, beep, beep. Well, damn, Joe. Hey, hey, you now you pass me the ball with four seconds and wonder why I rushed up a shot. Now you killing my shooting percentage because you rushed me a shot. You gave me the ball 30ft out.

[Joe]

Hey, Ocho, the most underrated attribute a cat can have in basketball is being able to pass the damn ball, right, man, I'm talking about that's the most underrated attribute. Because if you got a guy who can really pass, especially your bigs, man, they can make the game a lot easier for everybody. But if you got somebody, man, who can't pass, it's hard. Hard, bro. It makes the game a lot harder, you know what I mean? So I understand what un saying, you know, as far as Drew Randall not being a, a great passer, man, you gotta have. If your bigs can pass the ball, man, your offense can run real smooth, bro.

[Sean Devaney]

Why you think Jokic is so dominant?

[Joe]

Oh, man.

[Ocho]

Hey, he.

[Sean Devaney]

Why you think y is so dominant?

[Ocho]

He could pass his ass off like, like a damn point guard.

[Sean Devaney]

Yes, yes. That's why Biggs that can pass out of the double team now because guess what? I pass out of the double team. Akeem Olajuwon, he was passing a Kenny Smith jet. And Vern Mad Max was getting wide open. Threes. Orey getting wide open. Look threes. Sam Cassell getting wide open. Look threes. And now when you come To Dober team. I dump the ball down to Otis Thorpe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

Or I got Clyde Slatt knife into the basket. Boom. So when you get a guy like that, Shaq, with Kobe, you look at, go look at Shaq. Now, he's not a 6, 7 assist guy, but Shaq knew Kobe coming. Slash and diving. He dumping off too, with Kobe dunking the ball. Or he got Robert Orr, he got Rick Fox, he got Fish knocking down three. So when you got guys like that, it's hard. You got the double Shaq. You ain't got no choice. Even though you know they got shooters out there.

[Joe]

Look.

[Sean Devaney]

Yeah, that's a three point shot. But Shaq gonna dunk your big in the basket if you don't double him every time.

[Joe]

Every time.

[Ocho]

And think about that. You see what y' all just said, right?

[Sean Devaney]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Shaq is how dominant Shaq is.

[Sean Devaney]

Yes.

[Ocho]

And now think about that five we got down there in Miami, huh? Think about that. Think about that

[Sean Devaney]

gonna ever be another one.

[Ocho]

I'm not saying he is Shaq. I'm just saying with teams are going to have to double team him, huh? And we got. And we got the King coming over there too, right? We got the King coming over there where he's had to carry the crown, carry the weight of the team on the shoulder. Stay with me, Joe. Let me finish that. He's had to carry the weight of the shoulders all his career. Now he want to sit back, kick back, and relax and let everybody else do the heavy lifting. Guess where he could do that at, Joe?

[Sean Devaney]

Where he could do that at, Ojo?

[Ocho]

Boy, he could do that down in Dade county, boy.

[Joe]

Hey, Ocho. Ocho. Giannis. You really don't have to double Giannis. You just got to build that damn

[Sean Devaney]

wall and build a wall. Yeah, I'm not done. Because he don't have a sign Move, Ojo. Oh, he, he ain't got like a midi. He ain't got no turnaround. I, I, I, I'll, I'll give him that all day. I just got to keep him, I gotta keep him out of the paint.

[Joe]

That's what you.

[Sean Devaney]

As long as I ain't letting him do this or dunking the ball on me.

[Ocho]

You heard what you just said?

[Sports Analyst]

Yes.

[Ocho]

I gotta keep him out the paint. Who in the hell has succeeded on keeping him out the paint?

[Sean Devaney]

Build that wall. The team that beat his ass in the playoffs when I can just focus on him.

[Ocho]

Well, he by himself. You can't just focus on him now.

[Sean Devaney]

Hey, I'm just not gonna let him get 30, 15, and 7.

[Ocho]

Well, Bam gonna get 83.

[Sean Devaney]

Okay, well, let Bam give us 83.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, real talk, though, like, Giannis getting a rebound. That's when he had his deadliest. When Giannis. When Giannis get the rebound. Ocho, I feel like he's at his deadliest because, you know, he can attack. It's a fast break right away. So what teams have to do is you have to build that wall. Meaning you gotta have at least, shit, two, three sets of eyes on him. And y' all in close proximity, so he ain't got no lanes he can kind of get into and get in the teeth of your defense and. Cause all kind of hell. Cause once he do that, you let him get in there. Hell, now he Nerf hoop dunking it, spraying out for three. It's just too many options, you know what I mean? But I think. I think they gonna be a hell of a team. I think they gonna be greedy defensively, which is gonna fuel their offense. Yeah. Hey, Ocho. Ocho, real talk. If y' all get LeBron, what? That thing gonna be turned up to the max over there, boy.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe, you ain't got to tell me, because you. You understand that expert analysis you just gave me?

[Rich Paul]

Yeah. Huh?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

What you think, LeBron? Thinking LeBron? No. Where can I go? Why? I don't have to shoulder the burden. What is going to be the easiest route for me not to just play? Yeah, we heard Rich Paul say. Oh, it's not about the money. Oh, it's not about getting a ring. The hell you say. Yes, it is. I want my best chances. I want to maximize the end of the road as much as I can, and this is the best fit. I understood that, which is why I've been saying everything I've said. How you think I knew Giannis was coming to Miami? What did I say on the show? Long time ago. Long time ago. Before anybody. Oh, yeah. Giannis out here looking for houses. I mean, I ain't just throw that out and just be throwing out there. And then we got the reports today. Huh? You saw the reports about Clay?

[Joe]

What?

[Sean Devaney]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Joe]

I saw that.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, when I say something on here on Nightcap, I know y' all think I'd be lying. I got. And I don't even need sources because I'd be in the room with the people that's making the moves.

[Joe]

What you saying, bro?

[Rich Paul]

Huh?

[Sean Devaney]

What you say? You got really lucky. Because had Boston given that third year that Giannis wanted, Giannis would have been in Boston. You must have knew Boston was gonna give him that third year.

[Pharmaceutical Advertiser]

Oh, no.

[Ocho]

Hey, I know what I'm talking about, man.

[Sean Devaney]

You. You know, they won't believe in that third year, but.

[Sports Analyst]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

You said something very interesting before I was leaving. You say Yan is getting the ball on the defensive rebound and pushing it. It's like a running back. Ocho, what we make. What we say about Derrick Henry. We got to make him check his feet.

[Ocho]

Hey, you got.

[Sean Devaney]

If I let. If I just toss him the ball and let him run and then come downhill, I gotta make him check his feet. I gotta make. I gotta stop the ball. I gotta make Giannis pick up his dribble.

[Sports Analyst]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

And I ain't talking about it today on free throw line because it's too late. You let him pick up the dribble up at the free throw line. He had the basket. He dunking it or you following it?

[Ocho]

Hey, the best thing you could do, Unc, make him go east and west. Joe.

[Sports Analyst]

Yes.

[Sean Devaney]

I gotta stop the ball. I got him.

[Ocho]

That goddamn Derek. Hey, that goddamn Derrick Henry. Joe.

[Angela Yee]

Joe.

[Ocho]

He weigh about as much as you. He by. He's 6:3. And he get ahead of steam. Once he get past that, the line boy, I'm making a business decision.

[Joe]

Ain't nothing you can do.

[Ocho]

I'm gonna tackle his shoe. That's it.

[Sean Devaney]

I'm gonna have his shoe as a returner. We say, hey, the first guy down to the gunner, you gotta throw. You gotta make him. You just can't let him. Because when they just hit it on the move. Yeah, it's too much. You gotta make him. You gotta make him check his feet. But I told Ocho. Ocho, when they first got there, what I told him to do. I said, man, y' all putting him in an offset. He's not an offset back. He's not Jameer Gibbs. He's not Christian McCaffrey. Put that man heels at 8 yards and toss him the damn ball.

[Ocho]

He's an old school back, huh? He.

[Joe]

Oh, he.

[Sean Devaney]

He's an old school iback, Joe. Hey, he want to be out there, and you can put a fullback in front of him, and you can let the fullback slide however you want to, but he wants you to hand it to him or toss it to him. But he can't do.

[Joe]

He's not.

[Sean Devaney]

He's too long. He's a long strider. So as a long strider, you put him in offset. One step, two steps. He had to line.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

Hey, hey, but how you ain't Shifted like. He ain't shifted like Gibbs. He ain't shifted like, like, like a Christian McCaffrey. No, he's like. He doesn't have shape like that. Like a James Cook. Those guys can operate in an offset position, but not him, he's too big. Hey, but how they. See, I told you.

[Joe]

How is he. How is he that big though, with that type of breakaway speed? Cause it's like once he get through that, if he can get through there, it's like ain't no damn catching him.

[Ocho]

Nah, nah, nah. He throw that head back.

[Sean Devaney]

He throw the head back like we did back in the country. He throw that head back, it's over. If you ever throw that head back.

[Ocho]

No, he's strong, Joe.

[Sean Devaney]

Oh, yeah, Damn.

[Ocho]

I'm not talking about this strong. I'm talking about when he running. He in that open field.

[Sean Devaney]

Yeah, he's strong, boy. See, people missed on him. He went in the second round because of his style. You gotta look at Joe and Ocho. Yeah, he had the most yard. He has the most rush yards in high school football history. He broke Ken Hall's record of Sugar Land, Texas, that still for like 50 years, he broke that record. Now he goes to Alabama. He's not there long, but look at the carries. And he had what we call an upright running style, which is a big target. He's a big man, providing you a big target to hit. So everybody says ain't no way he's gonna be able to last long. He's got 2,000, 3,000 carries in high school. He's got another 2,000 carries in college. And so he might at best got four, five years. And here he is, if I'm not mistaken, go into year 10, go year 11 and have a chance to be the all time leading rusher. He has a chance outside chance to catch Emmett Smith. Smith and Ladanian Thomas as far as touchdowns from a running back. So he surprised a lot of people because of his running style is not conducive for someone because he's the guy that runs the contact. He's a collision back. Hey, if you notice now, if you. If he out there in the open and you see, you go. Cause I gotta tackle him low, Ocho. I ain't gonna hit him in his damn chest.

[Sports Analyst]

You a fool.

[Ocho]

Absolutely not. And get right.

[Sean Devaney]

I'm going low, Joe.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey. I noticed that this year too, this past season, because he dealt with them damn fumbles. Cause guys was like, damn, taking this contact. I'm finna strip this damn ball.

[Sean Devaney]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And now I put that in the back of his mind. So now he can't run aggressively as he normally would because he's thinking about securing the football. You're at your best when you're just free. Ocho's just running his ride. He running that speed out. Ocho, that left foot gonna hit at 10. He gonna throw it to. He gonna roll. Hey, he knows when he comes out of that break, one, two, that ball. Eight. Wow. He already know I'm hit at 10. I'm a roll to 12. Hey, when that right foot hit on that dig route and I'm on the right side, I'm driving back downhill. I already know that. But I can't be thinking about because what happens is it sold out. You have a couple of drops, now all of a sudden you apprehensive. You tried to body cat. You tried to buy you a. You ain't fluid. You trying to body catch a joke.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

You running with the football. You like. You got both hands around it. You can't. You can't. How you juking somebody like that? You need to have the ball.

[Joe]

Ah.

[Sean Devaney]

So they put doubt in his mind because he had those fumbles last year, especially against Buffalo.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, remember what I said on the show, Unk. He fumbled because he got them. What? On his arms.

[Sean Devaney]

Oh, those sleeves.

[Ocho]

Them sleeves. Next game, sleeves was gone. Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You got to be able to feel that ball on your skin when you wear them long sleeves. Yo, like. Like the hoop as well.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

You can't feel the ball. You got to be able to feel that ball.

[Rich Paul]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Somebody punches the right way, you got to have that skin. Skin to leather on. You got to have that skin to leather contact.

[Sean Devaney]

But I like. Considering that Minnesota has knocked Denver out a couple of years of the playoffs and with really just ant now, Jade McDaniels has been out of his mind. I don't know what it is about the Nuggets, Joe. And then they found something in disamo. They found something in those guys. But I don't know what it is about the Nuggets that he loves playing against the Nuggets. He get a. And he gives a Murray a fit.

[Joe]

Hey, that's. That's. That's why he plays. Well, let me tell you something. When you got a. A guy who's known for defense and he can score, and he's a pretty good offensive guy, too. See him having to guard Murray, it fuels his offense because, you know, you play good defense, you in good Spirits. So you playing the right way. Boom. That ball find you, you know, now you're able to make plays offensively, but defensively, he's so engaged that, you know, it kind of fuels his offense and kind of gets him going to the point to where he. Damn, he looks so good against the Nuggets, I'm like, I don't think the Nuggets want to see the Timberwolves no damn more.

[Sean Devaney]

No, dog. He's like, I need to see. I need to see the Nuggets about 40, 50 games. I'm an all star against them for sure. But that's just that, that's. That's how, that's how it rolls out. But I'm anxious to see Ant Man. He is, he is, you know, he's a pleasure to watch. Because at the end of the day, I don't give a damn the sport. It's still about entertainment. Ocho.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

You go to sport, you go to a sporting events to what? To be entertain?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

Let me ask you a question. If Jordan just laid the ball up, were you gonna be just entertained? It was that tongue hanging out and he fly away.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

It was Magic Johnson doing this.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, that part. Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

That's why Biggs. That's why big. It's hard to resonate with Biggs unless you like Shaq breaking down the backboards. Everybody talking about the most unstoppable shot that's ever been created in basketball is what the hook. That sky hook.

[Joe]

Sky hook.

[Sean Devaney]

And don't nobody get Kareem credit. Man, ain't nobody want to see that.

[Joe]

Ain't nobody ain't practicing that no more.

[Sean Devaney]

Ain't nobody practiced. Of all the things you see people do, the. The finger roll, George Gervin and Doc Fanga roll, you see them hang in the air. They even tried to copy Steph Curry shooting the ball from distance. Ain't no, not one player have ever. You when the last time you seen somebody throw a hook shot from 18ft like. Like Kareem.

[Joe]

Hey, that's a hard ass shot though, Uncle O. I ain't gonna lie to you.

[Ocho]

Hey, that's probably why they don't want to do it. It would take long to perfect something like that too.

[Sean Devaney]

Kareem said, you think, how long you think he took him to work on that? He said, you make it seem like he just came in the league. He been working on his whole career.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

And that's the thing. Jordan's not Jordan. If he wasn't entertaining, he understood the entertainment Value of it, right?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

When he started flying through there, dunking on everybody with spraying his legs.

[Joe]

Huh? You already know how the logo go, man.

[Sean Devaney]

Stop playing the jump, man.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

I mean, hey, he dunking on everybody in the game. And when he came out there with that tongue hanging out, I said, man, you gonna bite your damn tongue off.

[Ocho]

I'm surprised. I'm surprised. He didn't have any issues. We got somebody hit him out there or hit him while his tongue was out.

[Joe]

What kind of issues?

[Sean Devaney]

Well, if. If the Knicks didn't do it and the Heat didn't do it and the Pistons, wasn't nobody else gonna do it because they were the most physical.

[Sports Analyst]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

Hey, but don't sleep on the Boston Celtics now. People don't. People don't look at. Cause they look at Mikhail, and they look at Parish, and they look at Bird. They don't think they were physical, but.

[Rich Paul]

Shh.

[Joe]

They had a super team.

[Sean Devaney]

Sh.

[Joe]

Everybody.

[Sean Devaney]

All of them have super. The Lakers and the Celtics had a super team. But super teams are okay, Joe, if you build it. That's what I learned to notice. As long as you build it. But you do realize the Celtics did not draft Robert Parish. They traded him for Joe Barry Cowell in the right to the number one pick. So they trade. That's how they got Kevin McHale and Robert Parrish.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

They didn't draft Dennis Johnson. They didn't draft Nate Archibald. A lot of the players that they got, they didn't draft. But that's okay. That was before he went there. And look at the Lakers. They didn't draft Kareem. They drafted Magic. They didn't draft Bob McAdoo. But look, if I like you, I'll make excuses. You know what I'm saying? Ocho, I like what you do. If I don't. I don't give a damn what you do. You can find a cure for cancer. Screw you. You ain't. You ain't cured diabetes. Oh, man, you found a cure for cancer, but you ain't cure diabetes. What you gonna do about that, Joe?

[Joe]

Come on. Come on.

[Sean Devaney]

If you so good at medicine, but you know how it go. But no, I. I think this is Ant man, you come trying to say the close he gonna come is to the Lakers or the Clippers. I got to go see him. I gotta hit up. Hey, T. Lou, I know you watch it. Cause you watch all the time. I'm gonna come see Ant man play when they come.

[Joe]

When they go play the Clippers.

[Commercial Voice]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

I think I want what I will I'll hit his ass up.

[Joe]

Yeah. Minnesota gonna be fun to watch this year? RK ojo Hell yeah.

[Ocho]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

They're gonna be fun to watch. They still gonna. I still think they're gonna be a top. They're gonna be a top five team in the East. I mean west.

[Sean Devaney]

Top five for sure. Yeah, for sure. And if ant stay healthy, they might. Hell, they might be top four.

[Joe]

Could be. Could be.

[Sean Devaney]

If you can stay healthy. Tracy McGrady, then Jaylen Brown and and Joel and B haven't spoken since the trade. Joe let's take a listen to what TMAC had to say.

[Sports Analyst]

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[Sports Analyst]

podcast stream the other day, and he reached out to Maxi. He talked to Maxi and he talked to vj, but I don't think he hasn't spoken to and be yet.

[Sean Devaney]

So.

[Sports Analyst]

And you know, they had their thing in past years, you know, personal, you know, thing going on now. They're teammates. And I don't think there's been a conversation between the two, at least not to my knowledge. I haven't heard anything on it. So that's not a good sign. Because when you go into a new team and you go into a team that this. This is the mvp, like, you've been the MVP for this team. Now I'm coming to join your team, and we haven't had a conversation that's.

[Sean Devaney]

I don't like it. I don't like that.

[Sports Analyst]

You know what I mean? Cause we all trying to. We're getting off to a fresh start. Joel, you're getting off to a fresher start, right? And now you add in another MVP along with the young boys that you

[Sean Devaney]

have to make things easier for you

[Sports Analyst]

to make things easier for you. And there hasn't been any communication as far as my knowledge.

[Sean Devaney]

Joe, this is your level of. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe, I know you probably from a football sense, you know, when new players are coming in, especially uncle new receivers that are veterans coming from other teams, especially when it's the off season, I don't put too much into it as far as the communication goes. Obviously, most of the players are off right now. They're traveling there with Families. I wouldn't put too much into it. Joe and Unc, maybe you guys may feel different about it. Even though a conversation needs to be had. Listen, welcome to the team. Maybe something like that. I think something a little bit more formal in person. You know, you guys see each other, but just saying, hey, welcome to the team as far as right now, especially while everyone's out doing their own thing, is eh, it's.

[Commercial Voice]

It's.

[Ocho]

It's, eh. If I hear from you, it's okay. If I don't, I see when it's time to play ball and it matters most. But Joe, you might feel different.

[Joe]

I kind of agree with you, Ocho. I feel like, you know, if they did have anything, you know, riff raff between each other, that's water under the bridge. Now, fellas, maybe I have said some things and I still believe them to true, but hell, we're on the same team now.

[Sean Devaney]

Hey, is it water under the bridge?

[Joe]

Yeah, I mean, man.

[Sean Devaney]

I mean, Tyler Hero thought it was water under the bridge too. He said that months ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, but, but what I'm. That was a good one.

[Ocho]

That was a good one. That was a good one.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, but what I'm saying, listen, we're on the same team. Now. I may have said something about you flopping. Cool. You still do. I still think you're a hell of a player, but now that I'm here, listen, man, let's come together, man. I ain't tripping. Maybe they have talked since that interview, but I'm like Ocho uncle. I don't really put a whole lot of stock into that, bro. I just feel like embiId knows what JB stands for. You know, what type of shape he gonna be in, you know, the mindset he's gonna come with you gonna have to match that energy, partner. If y' all trying to do something in the Eastern Conference.

[Sean Devaney]

What is. What is standard protocol? I'm not talking about the eighth man on the bench. I'm talking about a bonafide, a finals mvp, a Eastern Conference mvp, an all NBA selection, a multiple, multiple, multiple time all star. What is standard protocol of a guy of that caliber going to a team? And the best player from said team or one of the best players from said team. What is normal protocol? Is it normal standard opera, A standard operating procedure. Sop. What is standard, Joe?

[Joe]

Yeah. Oh, oh, no, no, no. I ain't gonna sit here and act like it ain't normal. Now normally, if you get a guy that caliber. Now if you get A guy that caliber, the first thing you know, you hit and be, hey, bro, welcome to the squad.

[Sean Devaney]

Boom.

[Joe]

We about to make something shake. You feel me? We gotta be on the same page. We gonna get together here soon. I know you going through blasey this, blase that, but. Yeah, it should have been already handled. But he talked to the young guns already, huh? Yeah, maybe.

[Sean Devaney]

He probably. Let me ask you a question, Ocho. When you went. When you went to New England, did Tom reach out to you, yes or no?

[Ocho]

No. I saw him once. I got to the. Once I got to the stadium because he didn't have. He didn't have my number.

[Sean Devaney]

Okay? Yeah, well, hell, he could have got that. He could. I mean, Belichick had it, so he

[Joe]

could have got that.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And me and Bill, you know, me and Bill had a relationship long before I got there, right? Me and Bill was. Was really close. And another thing, what if Embiid is still upset? And then B, swing on Jalen Brown when you get there.

[Joe]

Hey, chill, bro. Chill. This ain't what Houston came to. You know what I mean? Listen, we had a little mishap. They see one thing about it, a lack of communication can lead to a real misunderstanding, fellas. Yeah, and that's what's been going.

[Ocho]

You ain't just gonna throw that out there like that. Let me write that down.

[Joe]

What? I'll go ahead. Take your time. Take your time. I'm gonna run it back for the people in here. I'm gonna run it back. I'm gonna run it back.

[Ocho]

Use that in my next article. Argument.

[Joe]

I'm gonna run it back. A lack of communication can lead to a misunderstanding, man. That's all it was. But hey, hey, hey, hey, Bam. Just had to get some straightening. Just get a little straightening.

[Sean Devaney]

Yeah, you ain't feel. You see what I'm saying, Ocho? Hey, Chad, y' all see how Joe circle back on that? We hadn't left Bam and Tyler hero long ago?

[Joe]

Naraka.

[Sean Devaney]

Look, look, look, look.

[Joe]

I kind of. I kind of. I kind of feel Bam in a sense, you know what I mean? It's like, yes, Ocho been doing all that talking about me and think when he see me and J gonna be Kiki Ki.

[Commercial Announcer]

Hahaha.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Commercial Announcer]

Wow.

[Sean Devaney]

Hey, Bam. Say hey, Bam. Say Tyler hero. Guitar hero. Hey, Hogan's hero. Pop five. One, two, three, four, five. Yeah, yeah. Take that with you.

[Ocho]

Listen, Tyler hero.

[Joe]

Man, that.

[Commercial Announcer]

That's.

[Ocho]

That's my dog, man. That's my homeboy. I'm sure there was a misunderstanding. He Said some things that he probably thought weren't going to get out publicly. I'm sure.

[Sean Devaney]

Of course, he screenshot. It was from the dm. Somebody screen. He tweeted he did that in the dm. Somebody screenshotted it and sent it out.

[Ocho]

I'm sure. I'm not sure if he tried to apologize, knowing Tyler Hero the way I do. I'm sure he tried to apologize and probably Bam really wasn't going for it, and one thing led to another. I hope cooler heads have prevailed now. And they probably talked it. Talked it out, and I'm sure Tyler Hero apologized and Bam probably do the same. Did the same thing. Listen, you move forward, we move forward and we play ball.

[Sean Devaney]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey,

[Sean Devaney]

that would be something that would be better ask of John, because I know that when they brought players to the team, I wouldn't. I wouldn't call anybody. Ain't nobody. Look, I've always had two phones and you ain't getting the main line. That was for kids, you know, that was for very, very select, select group of people. That being said, like I said, Joe, that would be something that you would. I mean, because quarterbacks, I'm sure you could. You hear. I've already talked. You know, when Joe Burrow or you hear Patrick Mahomes, they already say, I've already talked to Patrick. I've already talked to Joe. I've already talked to Trav. I've already talked to this guy. So I just wanted to know what was standard operating procedure, because that's not something that I've been in. When we bring in players, you bring you, hey, I'll see you when I get to a minicamp or training camp or something of that level. So that's why I'm asking you guys, because I've never. I me personally, I've never bringing in. I mean, I really. You never brought anybody I really knew. And at that point in time, it's kind of like today, guys, I understand. I'm a position friend. We're friends because the position I'm in. You're my friend because of the position you're in. The days of you got somebody, Ocho that you grew up with in high school. Joe, you grew up with in high school, in college, we're what we call positional friends now. We're friends because of the position that we're in. See, let's not make it more complicated than what it is. We're teammates. Not. Joe, we're teammates now. Oo.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

Let's not lose sight of that. Okay? So ain't no hey, that's my. What up, dog.

[Ocho]

Hey, I'm glad you said that, too. Just because your teammates. Uncle Joe, you don't have to like each other. No, you're not there for a relationship. You're there to win a championship or to do everything you can to win a championship. And everyone has to pull their own weight. That's all it is. Now, if we happen to be friends and build a relationship because we're happen to be on the same team. Yes, all for it. That's. That's fine and dandy. And now. And to answer your question, now that I think about it, remember, I got traded to the Patriots real late, Real late. Right before the season started. So Tom didn't have time to call me because when I got traded, I had to be in New England in 24 hours.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Tom won't call. You know damn well you fall in line, you get these damn orders. I'm throwing the balls. Don't worry about. Yeah, he. But he wasn't calling you no damn way.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, Joe, let me tell you something. When you get to New York, you gonna fall in line too, because I'm getting.

[Sean Devaney]

Damn. Hey, man, look here, man. Joe. I mean, Joe might change. Joe might have a change of heart and bring his girl. Don't beat him up.

[Joe]

Come on, girl, you gotta chill. You gotta say it, man.

[Sean Devaney]

Just.

[Joe]

You gotta chill.

[Ocho]

Hey, you might. You might be on to something because in order for him to go to Houston, I think he had to bring her here to. So you know how it is when you want to go somewhere, you want to do nice things. You want to do nice things for

[Sean Devaney]

your girl, so she make you go, hey, oo. Oo. You see the L? You see what I get? We got. We got an official.

[Ocho]

Okay. Okay.

[Joe]

Hey, chat, chat, chat. Y' all see, we can't even have a civil show.

[Ocho]

Matter of fact, hey, we might. We might want to get that laminated so it can't get.

[Sean Devaney]

Okay. Okay, no problem. No problem whatsoever.

[Ocho]

Laminated.

[Sean Devaney]

We always try to be. We try to do things official. We don't ever won't think anything is shade tree or is rigged. You know what I'm saying? I mean, hey, this is an official document.

[Joe]

I'm trying to see. I'm trying to see how in the hell we go from Jaylen Brown to my permission slip. That what I'm trying to see. That ain't no consequence.

[Ocho]

It all coincides.

[Sean Devaney]

Well, listen, listen, listen, listen.

[Joe]

Back to the Jalen Brown thing. Yes, I I think what's understood really don't have to be explained. Honestly, fellas, meaning mb, I think he know everything revolves around him. Obviously, they still.

[Sean Devaney]

Nah, I don't know. I don't. I don't think that's the case no more, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah, I'm saying when I say revolve around him, I'm meaning playing the right

[Sean Devaney]

way because he can't. Okay, okay, yes, okay, I see what you're saying.

[Joe]

He can't. He can't be no ball stopper. When I say fall in line, meaning like, man, look, he gonna get 20 points. Cause he that damn good. You know what I mean? But can you get in the floor of the game and not be a ball stopper to where it gets all the guys, you know, out of sync? You know, we want to continue that chemistry and continuity that they kind of got going. We don't want to pull the reigns back. We want to continue to let them attack offensively. Hell, JB, Emmy, Max, they both averaged 29 a game this past year. Yes. Y' all don't think they trying to build on that now? Listen, I understand that they all gonna have to sacrifice a little bit. I just don't want to see that wild, Helter skelter ass basketball, no rhyme or reason. Your turn. My turn. Type. I don't want to see that, man. I want to see these guys being Sink and Joel, play the right way and make the game easy for everybody around them. That's what I want to see.

[Sean Devaney]

But I also think, Joe, you know what happens? A lot of times they overpass the ball because everybody wants to show that they're sacrificing. And everybody wants to show just how unselfish they are. And they're not there. They're like, I'm gonna show everybody, bro. Take the shot. We're not saying. We're not saying take the obvious. We're not saying do the, you know, do the obvious right thing. But I think sometimes they overpass the ball because they're trying to show you go out of their way to show that. We're just. We're so unselfish. I ain't got no problem with him. I ain't got no problem. And you're not playing really good basketball. I still believe that you play fundamentally sound basketball, and guys know when. When to do the right thing and when. When it's not the right thing. That's just me personally, but I really wanted to see what you thought about this, because this is your level. And like I said, normally it's probably the quarterbacks that normally reach out, because for the most part, that's generally the guy that's looked at as the CEO. Now, it had been very interesting, probably. I mean, if you went to. When Saquon was with the Giants and, you know, they had some quarterbacks here, maybe they reached out today, but maybe it was Saquon or maybe it was Jetta, you know what I'm saying? Maybe it was something like that. But I know, you know, when guys would go to Kansas City, they would always say, Patrick. They talked to Patrick or they talked to Trav. And so I was always interested to see because I was. Even though I was one of the leaders on the team, I would, you know, I was busy. I was. I work it out. Hey, and even like. Joe, did you. Did you. Did you take guys when you. When you were in college and they brought guys in, did you take them around campus? Did you take them on, show them on the official visit?

[Joe]

Nah, I wouldn't. They got. I was, I was.

[Sean Devaney]

When I was not, it wasn't that

[Joe]

I was too quiet, man. I'd be too locked in. And I, I. I'm just not the typical guy when it comes to, like, showing guys a good time and all that, man. I ain't the dude for that. You hear me?

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

Hey, that ain't me. Cause, boy, on my visit, I know they cut up.

[Sean Devaney]

Damn, Joe, you didn't participate?

[Joe]

Nah, man, I wouldn't. You know, I wasn't partaking in that Uncle, I want. Hey, look, let me tell y' all something, man. Before I went to college, I had a real plan. I can't be here no longer than two years, bro. No longer than two years. I got to get my ass out of here. Yeah. Hey, it wasn't no nil back then. If I'd have got a few million, you know, I could have brought mama to college with me. She could have been cooking it up with me.

[Sean Devaney]

Yeah. Yeah, she could have got a place right, right close by.

[Joe]

It was just gonna be a little pit stop. Yeah, little pit stop, but we gonna go keep it on, you know, get

[Sean Devaney]

back on the road, keep on moving.

[Sports Analyst]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

Ocho, did you show people around, would you?

[Ocho]

Where at?

[Sean Devaney]

Oregon State? Well, you. Hell, you just got there.

[Ocho]

I was in school for two weeks. I went to one class. I went to my finance two class. I went to my finance class, Joe. And you know, I love theater and drama. Hey, hey, I ain't gonna nothing else.

[Joe]

You did just enough to get by, huh?

[Ocho]

I did just enough that I normally use later on in life. You know, I'm dramatic. I love theater plays, you know, stuff like that. And finance. You know how I am when it comes to my finances, Bro, I don't play.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

That's how I was. I mean, look, I did it well, like I said. I showed Ben Coates around one time and I told him he shouldn't come there because they moving me to tight end and he gonna be on the bench.

[Joe]

You told. Oh, you. It was a guy in the same position as you?

[Sean Devaney]

Yeah, Ben Coates that played with New England, that went to the Pro Bowl. And me and him used to go to Pro Bowl. Yeah, from South Carolina. He went to. He. He ended up going to Livingston, but he came to visit Savannah State. I was. I was his. I was his host. So I. Hey, went out. That was the only. That was the first and the last time. So I was like, man, I didn't know what position he played. I was a wide receiver.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

So, you know, and coach, like, a lot of times, the top offensive players that were coming in skill position players, coach would have me. And I only did it one time. So I guess he thought enough of Colts that, okay, coach, I do it. I said, my man, what position you play? He's like, man, I'm a tight end. I said, oh, okay. I say, I mean, what you trying to do? He like, man, you know, it'll be big for me to start my freshman year. I said, don't come here. He said, why? I said, cause they moving me to tight end and you can't beat me up. I was just honest. And guess what, Joe? The next year, I was All American Conference, player of the year, offensive player of the year, all Conference and black college All American. So what do you think the chance was he's gonna beat me out?

[Joe]

It wasn't gonna. Hey, you kept it 100 with him, man.

[Sean Devaney]

He went to Livingston, had a great career, got drafted by New England, and him and I used to go to the Pro bowl every year. If you was in the AFC from like 93 to 98, you weren't going to the Pro Bowl. Not over me and him. Y' all had a question was who was gonna start he or I? But you could. No.

[Joe]

Hell, no.

[Sean Devaney]

But I was honest with him. Yeah. Coach David said, goddamn home. I can't let you take them. Take nobody else out. We ain't gonna get nobody. And then if. If I'm a wide receiver, I'm taking you on a recruiting visit. But co. But it got to the point coach said, you're trying. You're gonna be the slot receiver. We already got our two receivers. It was me and Squirrel. We came in together. So I was two, he was three. Yeah, Coach like, hey, I'm an All American. Then the next year I come back, I'm confident. I'm offensive player of the year. I'm first team all conference. I'm again Black College All American. I was the only sophomore on the Black College All American team, right? All the black coaches, we was in Greensboro, North Carolina. Anybody that know the Sheridan Black College, but Sheridan network, they have a black college All American just for hbcu. HBCU players.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

My coach, Coach Davis. Coach. Coach from Gramlin Robinson. Coach from Jackson State, W.C. gordon. Coach Willie Jeffries. All those coaches from gunslinger Archie Cooley. Coach Cooley, they sitting around now. Everybody else is juniors because guess what? They got the Black College All Star Game. So they, you know, they out there practicing. All the coaches come in. I'm already there. Cause I'm a sophomore. Obviously, I can't practice with them because I'm not leaving college. And everybody was talking about this guy. Oh, man, Harvey Reed, who was the running back. He was player of the year. Year Black college player of the year. They talk about all these guys. Vincent Brown, they call him the Undertaker, Mississippi Valley. He said, man, this joker here gonna be good. Coach Davis said, look here, I don't mean to cut y' all off. He said, but I got the bad in here. And he a sophomore. And look, he said, I tell you what, in five years, he be the bad. He gonna be the. He gonna be the best. Whatever he play, he gonna be the. He gonna be the baddest one. All y' all good. I'm. I'm sure all them guys good. Good. He said, but I got the baddest end here right now. And he a southboard. He ain't lie.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. You still. You still talk to some of the players that played with you at Savannah State? Like, you still talking Bucket?

[Sean Devaney]

Me and Bucket played together.

[Ocho]

Well, what about Squirrel? I was talking about Squirrel, the one that wasn't.

[Sean Devaney]

I see Squirrel. I see. When I go back, Squirrel, we. We got what we call the 86 class. 86 is the best recruiting class in Savannah State history. Me, Squirrel, Big Daddy, Rough House, Dame, Yard. Couple of the guys are passed. Now Dame has passed. Yard is passed, Coop. But we were the baddest. We were the baddest class. BMW, Mike Wallace. Yeah, we still. We still. We still keeping communication. And when I go Back, which is not often. We get a call, 86. And when we see each other, we start hollering, 86. And we know who that is. 86. Yeah, we on the yard. They already know. 86 was in the house. 86 in the house.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

Anybody went to Savannah State? Y' all know about 86.

[Joe]

Y' all should cut up on their yard in your. Man, I already know it. I already know it.

[Sean Devaney]

But look, for the most part, I don't know, maybe at North Carolina, Kentucky, the basketball teams, because those are basketball schools. Arkansas, probably the basketball school. But if I. If you. If you. You go to a football school, Ocho, I'm just trying to figure out how anything can even come. Come close. Come close at Alabama, at Ohio State, at Michigan, at Penn State. Know the name. What is even close to the football team?

[Joe]

Guys?

[Sean Devaney]

Georgia.

[Joe]

Ah, nah, nah. Yeah. Arkansas football school. You right. Nah, nah. Them, boy. Hey.

[Sean Devaney]

Oh, yeah, but we. Yeah, we still. We. We plan. As a matter of fact, we plan. It's just so hard because everybody still is in Atlanta and in Savannah, Ocho. And so they talk. They talk all the time. And a lot of times when they have homecoming, they'll FaceTime me. That's the only time I let them FaceTime. They're like, man, hey, Sean, what's going on, man? You need to beat out here? Nah, not with y' all drunk ass. I don't need to be down there. It's always great hearing from the guys. I invited Big Daddy, Squirrel, Pope and Bucket. They came to the hall of Fame. As a matter of fact, I paid for those guys to come in Rough House. He asked Bucket to say, man, tell Sharp I want to come. I said, bro, I ain't. Hey, if he paid for his way, I got him a ticket into the game. So, I mean, to the. To the ceremony. So he paid for his own way because, like I said, he's a part of that 86 class. And we were. We like this here. Yeah, we. I mean, you know, obviously, guys we might. We fought against, you know, we. I didn't fight, but, you know, some did get, you know, we knuckle up. But, boy, ain't nothing come between us. I guess it's us against everybody else. Yeah, we gonna fight.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

Hey, dab it up and be okay tomorrow. Don't you try that. Don't you try that in the yard now.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey. I can imagine the stories and boys got, boy.

[Ocho]

Hey.

[Pharmaceutical Advertiser]

Huh?

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, Freaky Shay over there.

[Ocho]

It's so. It's so funny.

[Commercial Announcer]

Like you.

[Sean Devaney]

Joe, Joe, I went to school. You know what I'm saying? I got to get a degree. I got to get up out of here, man.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, that don't mean you ain't freaking. Cause you got to do all that here.

[Sean Devaney]

Hey, I only had four years to be there. I could be there. Freaking. Freaking would have kept me there an extra year or two.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no. You.

[Commercial Announcer]

You.

[Sean Devaney]

I'll go get out regardless. Because back then. Well, I don't know if they do it now, man. Black college ain't got no money to be red shirt nobody. You got to get up out of there. You got four years. You come out and you come in there at 18. I mean, 17, you getting out at 21. You come in at 18, you getting out of 22. Ain't no red shirt. Even if you hurt yourself, you getting up out of there, you got a year cut short.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, Joe. Every time, you know, when uncle and I first started, and sometimes he'll tell stories about some of the things that happened at the hbcu. We had some really good stories, man. We first started the show, and, man, it just got. That just got me thinking, man. Obviously, I didn't have the opportunity because I was a knucklehead and I took such a long route, you know, in the school system. And my love and my dream was to always attend Florida A and M University.

[Rich Paul]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Just to hear UNC talk about the HBCU experience in general and being able to see my daughter cross at Prairie View A and M. And Joe, it experienced that atmosphere, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Like I had to talk about my daughter crossing over, Joe. I was in tears, Joe. Yeah, Joe, I'm talking about in tears. And the atmosphere, it was. It was unbelievable. And I was only there for two hours, so I can imagine being able to have that experience for four years straight. If that small symbol, size, emotional.

[Sean Devaney]

Joe, I ain't nothing like Rush. Oh, oh, you see him go over to see the Akas, the Deltas.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

You know, obviously, the. The. The Fives, the frats.

[Joe]

Hold on, hold on.

[Sean Devaney]

The Kappas, the Sigmas, the Alphas.

[Joe]

Hold on. They had all that. Well, Ocho was at, didn't it?

[Sean Devaney]

Yeah. But it ain't nothing like an hbcu. Not the pageantry.

[Joe]

Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

Homecoming, Joe. That buzz, that atmosphere, that student center is buzzing. Everybody start to file. You know, the alumni start filing in on. Start coming in late Monday, Friday, by Friday, everybody there, they up on the yard, they talk. Hey, Sharp. Hey, what you got For a shot. Oh, you already know. I'm gonna put it down for you now.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

You came back to see o' Shea do it. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, I got you. I'm gonna do what I do.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe. I had the opportunity to go my daughter, senior year, I had the opportunity to go to Prairie View homecoming her senior year. Yeah, Joe. I ain't never seen nothing like it, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I ain't never see. I ain't never seen nothing like it. And every time FAMU has their homecoming, my. You know what? I gotta work. I'm always working on that Saturday. I've never had opportunity to go.

[Joe]

It's.

[Sean Devaney]

It's amazing. And I. And that's what I tell people. If you went to a pwi, every black. They're going to a pwi. You should have to spend one semester at an hbcu. And you want it to be the fall. You want it to be the fall. Because in the fall, you're gonna get a little bit of everything. You're gonna get all the football season, and you're gonna get a couple of basketball games.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

Our football team, we would call the suit coat, the Suit Coat Crew. So we come in there, all football players. We have a suit coat on.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

And we got a roll of toilet paper. As soon as our team score, we throw the toilet paper on the floor. They have to stop the game. They started controlling text on the joke.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

And so now the player, they get, they getting hyped. Hey, Sean, y' all coming? We got you. Yeah, we got you. Just. Hey, don't matter. We scope first or not. As soon as we go, about 40 rolls of toilet paper. Now you gonna mess up the dorm. Cause, hey, we only had so much toilet paper in there. We have steal toilet paper from the student center. But that's all right. But the. But the team, we had a great chemistry. We had a great foundation. We got. We got along for the most part, because Peacock, Basketball, football, and a few baseball players. But mainly it was football and basketball players that stayed in Peacock. Most of the baseball players stayed down there at. At Boston. But we. We were close. We were close.

[Ocho]

And, oh, man, I wish I had the opportunity to get that experience, boy.

[Sean Devaney]

Yeah, Ain't nothing like it.

[Joe]

College. College was fun, bro.

[Sean Devaney]

Yeah. Damn, I'm just glad I went when I went.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Sean Devaney]

I couldn't. I couldn't, Joe. We. We couldn't, Joe. Well, you could, Joe. Oo. And I couldn't make it in social media era. Not in college. Oh, not in college. No, not me.

[Joe]

Yeah, not me.

[Sean Devaney]

But you got to realize, Joe, I had a brother in the NFL my junior and senior year.

[Joe]

Yeah, you're gonna be cutting up. You gonna be cutting up, bro.

[Sean Devaney]

I had a 300zx with T tops. I got a Mercedes, my. See, you had a Mercedes, a 300E, big body.

[Joe]

Yeah, boy ain't passing up no hoo. Ha. He got he. Yeah, I already know it.

[Sean Devaney]

And you know you young then, man. Hey, I had to hire me a hostage negotiator to talk him down. He'd be up about five or six hours. I had to talk him down. Hey, hey, you've done all you could do, Mr. Sharp. You can. Come on. Hey, you can ease down now.

[Joe]

Hey, you gotta chill.

[Rich Paul]

You got

[Sean Devaney]

a hostage negotiator to talk him down. Savannah pd. Hey, ask about me.

[Joe]

Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe. What's wrong with your man, bro?

[Commercial Voice]

He got.

[Sean Devaney]

I don't know.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, but let me. Let me. Let me tell you how bad I had it, right? I wanted to. Never had the opportunity. Went to Oregon State, obviously, a great time. It was a short 4 month, 4 months stint for me at Oregon State. But I love FAMU so much, Joe. And I was a knucklehead in school, Joe. I graduated high school late. I didn't apply myself. Small, but I didn't apply myself. Yeah, I love FAMU so much, even after I made it to the NFL. You know how I am about music. I love the band. I always been a fan of the band from 2002 to 2008. I'm not sure how many people in the chat went to FAMU or maybe played in the band, but I'm sure you heard the stories. Every off season, I did my training in Tallahassee just so I could see band camp, Joe. Just so I could see band camp, man. Dr. White, I don't. I'm not. Dr. White's not there anymore. Right now the. The band director is Dr. Shelby Chipman. They saw. Hey, Joe. Every off season I'm in Tallahassee at bay. I go train in the morning and sit there and watch band camp.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. Did you ever play instrument?

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. You know, Joe, I play piano and alto saxophone. Yeah.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Ocho]

I love. And just. I couldn't go there, so that. That gave me my sense of peace.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Is being able to see band camp during the off season and get my training done in the morning and go watch them boys, man.

[Sean Devaney]

That's. Yeah. Cause by the time you got there, because when I came out, Prop 48 had just started been instituted the year I graduated because of what happened at the University of Georgia. So that made it work. That made it so everybody was up under. You had to make at least 700 or you had to sit out your freshman year. So the only place I really could go was D2 or HBCU. So that's why I ended up going to Savannah State because I was one of the top recruits coming out. But my grades, like I tell people all the time, Joe, I couldn't have got in prison with my grades. Hey, I ain't going to hold nobody. I ain't hold nobody. I'm not, I, I what Like I am now that have acquired knowledge and wanted to learn. I had no interest in that when I was in high school because you have to understand, I was so much better than everybody else in my school. Yeah, I was so much better of a basketball player. So much better as a football player. Especially my senior year. It was close my junior year. My junior year we had a guy end up going to Georgia Tech named Alfonso Thomas. He probably was the best player. I probably was the second best player. My senior year wasn't even. No question. Basketball, I was the best player. Track, I was the best. I was the best at what I did. So hey, I ain't seen no reading.

[Joe]

Hey, they can't, what you call them,

[Sean Devaney]

go to do no, do no school work. They can't even be.

[Joe]

They can't even being out there in them fields.

[Ocho]

Hey, the chat, the chat. Making fun of me, talking about I laugh so much. Hey, but hey, chat, do me a favor. Those that think I'm lying, look at my Instagram. Look at my picture that's on my Instagram. That, that, that, that, that, that. You should look, look at my picture. That's my Instagram. What you call it? Your bio, Your bio.

[Sean Devaney]

Yeah, yeah, your biopic.

[Ocho]

Yeah, look at my biopic.

[Joe]

What about it?

[Ocho]

I mean, because they talk about. Oh, I'm live about my fam. My love for fam, you and the band.

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[Sean Devaney]

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