Nightcap Hour 1: Knicks take COMMANDING 3-0 Series Lead + Anthony Edwards DETAILS facing Victor Wembanyama

Summary

Nightcap Episode Summary: Knicks Dominate Cavs for 3-0 Lead & Anthony Edwards on Facing Wembanyama
Podcast: Nightcap – Shay Shay Media & Playmaker
Date: May 24, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe ("Unc"), Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson ("Ocho"), and Joe Johnson ("Uncle Joe"/”ISO Joe”)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap delivers instant reactions to the NBA Playoffs, spotlighting the New York Knicks’ dominant performance to take a 3-0 Eastern Conference Finals lead over the Cleveland Cavaliers. The crew analyzes the structural failures of Cleveland, the relentless form of the Knicks, and what Jalen Brunson and company are bringing that’s tearing through the league. The show closes with a discussion about Anthony Edwards’ honest take on facing Victor Wembanyama and the challenge of defending stars in today’s NBA.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Knicks’ Commanding 3-0 Series Lead

• Historic Point Differential & Dominance

  • The Knicks, after beating the Cavs, are now +234 in point differential this postseason—higher than the iconic 2017 Warriors (+230) and 2014 Spurs (+214). (06:32)
    • “The highest point differential any postseason... The Knicks in 2026 are +234. That is insane company.” — Joe (06:32)
  • In their last 10 games, the Knicks have won by double digits in all but one, with an average margin of 22.5 points.

• Cavs’ Lack of Energy & Failure to Compete

  • Uncle Joe: “I’m not sure they can O. I’m gonna keep it 100 with y'all tonight. Be very transparent. Listen, I think from game one, it was so demoralizing, bro, to lose that game, being up 22 with six minutes... The lack of energy and effort that I seen from the Cavs today, bro..." (08:19)
  • Ocho echoes: “It just look as if they didn’t want to be out there... it don’t look like they playing basketball.” (16:49)
  • The crew repeatedly criticizes Cleveland for a lack of urgency at home, not getting into the bonus until the last minute, and starting players (like Wade) who produce nothing offensively.

• Knicks’ Team Effort & Offensive Approach

  • Joe Johnson credits Coach Mike Brown for integrating Karl-Anthony Towns ("Cat") and supporting Brunson’s “Iverson-like” role through down picks and handoffs (14:08).
  • Praise for role players: “Josh Hart... 12 points, nine rebounds, five assists, four steals, that’s somebody who playing hard... always going to be able to affect the game.” — Uncle Joe (14:08)
  • Jalen Brunson is recognized for both scoring and playmaking: “Big body Brunson. He getting what he want out there, bro. He getting with him. Where, when and what.” — Uncle Joe (38:46)
  • Landry Shamet’s unconscious shooting off the bench was highlighted: “He went four for five and four for five from three. That’s hot.” — Uncle Joe (19:34)

• Cavs' Structural Problems & Leadership

  • Donovan Mitchell’s inefficient performances (9-21 shooting, only 2-6 at the line) and lack of aggression are dissected.
  • The Cavs’ offense is criticized for being disjointed: “That’s your. Your turn. My turn. My turn.” — Joe (34:12)
  • The show questions the value of retaining the current big-money backcourt and frontcourt, wondering if the Cavs are stuck in NBA limbo (31:36).
    • “You want me to have a $30 million point guard, a $55, $60 million two guard, right? A $40 million power forward, a $25 million center... And how much you think I should be able to invest in a small forward?” — Joe (32:15)

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The Knicks’ Defensive Identity & Championship Window

• The Knicks are lauded for hard-nosed, all-switching defense; every starter can shoot the three, meaning Cleveland cannot hide anyone defensively (13:54).
• Hart and OG Anunoby are praised for their defensive versatility and effort.
• The hosts foresee the Knicks being well rested for the Finals, with the West’s contenders likely locked into a long, bruising series (26:52).

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Accountability & Playoff Mindset

• No playoff excuses: “Everybody playing every other day now... whatever you need to do to get your body ready... my guys... ain’t giving me a day’s work.” — Joe (35:02)
• The Cavs’ perceived lack of accountability is a major theme.
  • “You squander away this big ass lead… after game one... You think they finna take some accountability after game three? Hell no.” — Uncle Joe (36:11)
• The panel debates whether losing in the conference finals still means success for Cleveland, or if this series exposed fatal flaws for the current roster build.

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The Western Conference – Spurs, Thunder & Anthony Edwards on Wemby

• Anthony Edwards’ Honest Assessment of Facing Wembanyama

  • The hosts share Anthony Edwards’ unfiltered commentary about how difficult it is attacking Victor Wembanyama’s defense:
    • Ocho: “If there’s any player who will tell it exactly like it is, it’s not going to be politically correct. It’s that goddamn Ant [Anthony Edwards].” (50:57)
    • Uncle Joe: “He only reiterated what we all been talking about... Wemby just too damn much... even just by him being out there on defense.” (51:07)
  • The crew laughs about players “having to throw [shots] way over the damn goal” to try to get buckets over Wemby (51:07–51:55).

• Wemby’s Unique Defensive Presence and the Spurs’ Adjustment

  • Discussion about how playing Wemby changes normal shot selection and how he impacts the paint even if not blocking shots (52:06).
  • “You can’t even see the rim,” and “He’s probably about nine and a half feet tall when he stands up on the rim and don’t let him jump,” (51:55–52:04).
  • Spurs need to establish Wemby more in the mid- and low post to punish double teams and help others with easier opportunities (53:13–54:39).
  • Debate about whether Wemby is too often too far from the basket, not crashing boards with enough “greediness”; expectation that maturity and a developing ‘MVP’ mentality will come with time (59:19).

• Thunder’s Defensive Versatility – Playoff Implications for the Knicks

  • Joe: “Thunder got about four or five guys that'll pick your ass up and hound you from start to finish. It’s like a relay.” Lists Lou Dort, Alex Caruso, Cason Wallace, J-Dub, Isaiah Joe (44:15).
  • OKC’s perimeter defense as a potential Finals problem for the Knicks’ ball handlers – concern Knicks lack secondary playmakers if Brunson is pressured (44:58).
  • “If you make somebody else bring this ball up, we don’t know what that’s gonna look like.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Knicks’ dominance:
  • “The Knicks… can taste it. It’s right there on the cuff. Be the first time going to the NBA Finals since 1999.” — Joe (06:30)
  • “The average margin of victory… 22.5 points per game. In the last 10 games, only one team has been able to be within double digits.” — Joe (06:32)
• On Cleveland’s failure to respond:
  • “They threw the towel in, Uncle Joe. Yeah, they threw the towel in.” — Ocho (30:21)
• On Jalen Brunson’s control of the series:
  • “Big body Brunson. He getting what he want out there, bro. He getting with him. Where, when and what.” — Uncle Joe (38:46)
• On defending Victor Wembanyama:
  • “You got to alter all your damn shots... normally you just see, you gotta throw that thing way over the damn goal now…” — Uncle Joe (51:07)
  • “He’s probably about nine and a half feet tall when he stands up on the rib and don’t let him jump!” — Joe (51:55)
• On Cavaliers’ roster construction:
  • “At what expense do I keep this backcourt together?... For what?... They’re not better than... Are they better than the Knicks? No.” — Joe (31:36)

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Key Timestamps

• [06:30–08:19] Knicks' point differential, dominance overview, Cavs’ lack of energy
• [10:15–12:47] Criticism of Cavs’ rotations, Donovan Mitchell's struggles, Knicks’ role players
• [14:08–16:13] Coaching adjustments, the value of “wanting it more”
• [30:21–36:24] Accountability, Cleveland's effort, playoff mindset, questions about the Cavs' future
• [38:46–41:36] Jalen Brunson’s mastery and Cavs’ inability to defend him
• [50:57–53:13] Anthony Edwards on Wemby, the challenge of attacking elite bigs
• [52:58–59:19] Spurs strategy, the necessity of getting Wemby closer to the basket, OKC/Thunder defense preview

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Final Thoughts & Takeaways

• The Knicks have not just won—they’ve demoralized and outclassed every opponent in their playoff run.
• Cleveland is portrayed as broken, outmatched, and facing questions about their roster’s viability.
• On the other side, the anticipation builds for a Knicks Finals trip and how they’ll handle the tenacious, deep defenders from the Western Conference.
• Anthony Edwards’ candid take on Victor Wembanyama resonates: Wemby’s presence alters shot charts, playoff game plans, and the psyche of opponents on both ends.

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[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

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[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Wow.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

The highest point differential any postseason the Knicks is 2026 are 2:34 plus 234. In perspective, the warriors with Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, Clay and Draymond was only plus 230. The 2014 spurs was 214. That is insane company. The last 10 games they won by 13, 16, 11, 36, 39, 51, 29, 16. Let that sink in. Only one game has been decided by less than double figure. What happened? Oh, they don't know that. The average. The average margin of Victory Joe Ocho 22 and a half points per game. So in the last 10 games only one team has been able to be within double digits. 13, 16, 11, 30, 14, 6, 39, 51, 29 and 16. Joe, how can the Cavs get a game, let alone we're not even talking about the series because I think for all intents and purposes the series are over. How can they get a game when they didn't get into the bonus Joe until the last minute of the game? And that was because Josh Hart, I don't know. For some reason he wanted to challenge a three point shot. He ended up stepping up under the strews who wasn't Able to land. And so that was it. They was not. They were going to go an entire quarter, Joe, and not be in the bonus. I don't know if I've seen that. Maybe you. I'm sure you have been playing in the NBA for 17 years. But how do. How does Cleveland summons it up and get a game?

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

I'm not sure they can O. I'm gonna keep it 100 with y' all tonight. Be very transparent. Listen, I think from game one, it was so demoralizing, bro, to lose that game, being up 22 with six minutes, seven minutes left on the clock. And then, you know, I kind of gave him the benefit of the doubt. I gave the Cavs benefit of the doubt. I'm like, well, listen, maybe when they get home, you know, they. They play with a little more sense of urgency. They'll play a lot harder. They'll feed off their home crowd. And you got your role players, the. The others who we always talk about, you know, they'll come to play. They'll play a lot better. But, man, the lack of energy and effort that I seen from the Cavs today, bro, like, I.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

To start the game.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying, like, you want to try to hit first, you know, especially when you at home, bro, and see if you can break that wheel. But, man, they just. They have no resistance on none. Like, I agree with you. For you not to get into the penalty, that means you just have a lack of aggressiveness, bro. You're not aggressive. It's not. It's not do or die for you. You know what I mean? That's not what they play like to me. I mean, they just had no energy, no effort. And the Knicks seem like they were the more desperate team, which I'm sure they are, because they've been in this situation before. And knowing that the Knicks are trying to get to the NBA Finals, which I think they will do, they. They. It's like they understood what was at stake. We got A team down O2. Let's see if we can put, you know, put them away. And I think they just came in and they wanted it more than the Cavs in their own building, bro.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

It sure seemed that way. I was thinking a lot like you were thinking. I said, okay, that crowd has got. They. They were amped up, you know, Kelsey and his fiance, Taylor Swift was there. The crowd was hyped. He was getting the crowd hyped. But at the end of the day, I mean, you come out and now you down nine one. You down nine two. That's not the way you want to start. You want to get the crowd in the game and try to keep them in the game. And it really. I mean, the only time they could get in the game, guys, is when they would mount a comeback to cut the lead to six.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Right. Right.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

There was never a situation where they had a lead where they're up. They were always down. And I'm like. I'm looking at him like, I don't get it. I don't know why he keeps putting Wade in the starting lineup. 17 minutes, no points, one field goal. I mean, one field goal attempt, you might as well go ahead and put Screws or Merrill in the starting lineup.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

At least they're a viable option. You need that. They're playing right now. They're playing four on five.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Need that threat.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And. And it's. I don't get it.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

And.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And. And, man, I don't know what's going on with Donovan Mitchell. I don't. I mean, nine of 21. Yeah, he got 23 point. Like, he had 23 points. What do you expect? Hell, it took him 21 shots to get it.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

What? And, Joe, help me understand what's going on with his field with free throws.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

I don't know. Two for six is so uncharacteristic of him because there's a two guard. He's such a great shooter. And I mean, I don't know, man. I don't know.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

But his free throws, his. His percentage has kind of been going down. Give me what he's shooting in, in this. In against the Knicks from the free throw line. Ocho.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I mean, you get OG 21. You got. Cat got 13. Heart got 12. Mikhail Bridges. Got Mikhail Bridges since those first three games of the Hawks, since the games four through six, and what he. The next series and what he's done now, he's been playing unbelievable basketball. And this is. This is. This is the Brunson that we expect to see.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

10 of 19, 10 of 12. Ultra, ultra aggressive. Still getting his guys involved. Plus 15, everybody was, you know, plus 15. Josh Hart was plus three. Carl Anthony Towns plus 23. OG plus 11. And Landry Shamrock is just coming in just this unconscious. He's just unconscious.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

And look, y' all gotta give my Hawk some credit, man. At least we won two damn games. They swear. Hold on, hold on. They swept through Philly and then they sweep through Cleveland, man. Come on, man, get out of here with all that, bro.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe. As much as you. You won't want that credit. We not gonna give it to you.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

You hate him. You hater.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

I'm not a hater. I'm not hating. I'm just saying. We're not gonna give it to you. I'm not sure what's wrong with the Cavs, Joe and Unk, especially in the game like this. Oh, you're already down 2 0, right. If anything, you want to come out when it's a. When it's a fight. And sometimes the person, you know, you think he can whoop you. You always want to throw that first punch. Yeah, you always get that first punch off first.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Like, get off.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah, you got to get off first just in case you had any. That's exactly what this game is. That's exactly what this series. It was demoralizing. Once they were able to come back from down 22 with six minutes left to go. That took everything out yourselves.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

But think about it. Damn. From. From a competitive standpoint, Argan Ocho, you got at least compete, bro. Like, it's just too many. It's just too many empty possessions on the defensive end to where it's just like, oh, yeah, go ahead, y'.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

All.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

You get that layup, man. Yeah, yeah. We ain't tripping. We ain't tripping. Like, come on, bro, this the play.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Ain't nobody trying to close no door behind them. Ain't nobody closing the door, Joe. They leaving the door wide open. Guys getting lay up, OG LG to the side, Mikhail Bridges to the side. Brunson to the side. I'm like, ain't nobody gonna close the damn door.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Come on, man. Come on, man. Come on, man. That's what I'm saying.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Operating. Give the Knicks credit. They are playing the guy. They're making shots. A lot of those shots. I mean, I'm looking at OG but you can't go out there if OG at the three point line, you can't go out there with your hand down.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah, they got.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I mean, they got. Guys can make shots now.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

The likelihood of you putting somebody on the court. There are a few teams that have players that you're not even worried about them making a shot from the three. But the Knicks, all five of their guys alive from the three point line. You can't walk out there with your damn hand down, man.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Listen, I like what Mike Brown has done with the Knicks because he has made it to where Cat is a part of the offense. He might not take the most damn shots, but he gonna get a lot of touches. And as a big man, as long as they get some touches here and there, bro, you keep them happy. They'll play hard as I don't know what for you, you know what I mean? And I think by him playing through Cat, it turns Brunson into some like an Iverson type, you know what I mean? To where he can come off these down picks, then come off the, the, the, the. The dribble handoffs and things that. So it makes them, it makes them so much dangerous. And when you got Bridges and OG and Josh Hart. Josh Hart won your game the last game scoring 26 points. Yeah, I, I didn't expect for him to do that again. But if you look at his stat line, bro, 12 points, nine rebounds, five assists, four steals, bro, that's somebody who playing hard, you know what I mean? Like, he's, he's always going to be able to affect the game, put his stamp on the game, so he's always going to be a plus for them. I just feel like the Knicks have found something obviously that's going to probably more than likely get them to the finals. And by playing through Cat, bro, it just makes him so much more of a dangerous team because he spreads the floor. Yeah, he ain't doing a whole lot of doggish dirty work down there, but he's playing, he's playing the right way. A high assist game, seven assists. He's been probably leading him assists in this postseason, if I ain't mistaken. And that, that, that makes them just much of a dangerous team. But, but to Cleveland, come on, man. To be at home. And when you get people to come in your building, bro, Travis Kelsey and his wife, Taylor Swift, like, I don't know about y', all, but when I was playing here in Atlanta or, or any other place in, in New York, like, when we get celebs come to the game, it just kind of give you an extra little oomph, you know what I mean? Like, yes. You know, you, you want to put on a great performance, and even if you don't make shots, hell, the least thing you can do is compete at the highest level, bro. Play hard. That's it.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

Now, I was saying they didn't even look like to watch as great as. I mean, this is just my mindset, and I think about some of the narratives that have surrounded Donovan Mitchell, some of the narratives that have surrounded James Harden in the postseason, to come out to a game like this already down to zero. There's no way in hell, Joe. I'm not all over the place, man, I'm not all over the place. It just look as if they didn't want to be out there. I mean, they playing basketball, Joe, but it don't look like they playing basketball. And I mean that in the most respectful way possible.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

No resistance.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

The energy is different.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

When you're watching both of these teams here, you playing home. Hey, you got home point advantage. There's no reason it should look the way it looked tonight.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

No, I think the thing is, is that they're expecting somebody to come here and lay down and see what happened is in that game seven. You saw what happened with Detroit, right? The first five minutes the game was over.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

That ain't what the Knicks are. The Knicks gonna battle you. One thing about them, they're going to battle you because they got battlers on the court. You look at OG look at his background. You look at Josh Hart, a guy seemingly like that. Nobody, he like, man, don't nobody want me. He's found a home to let him do a little bit of everything. He doesn't have to be great at anything, but he is really, really good at a lot of things. He's going to die on the floor. He, he's going to rebound. He can, hey, you put it. Hey, they try to run zone, you put it. Flash him to the top and he'll find an open guy. He can score the points. You say, you know what? Everybody else could possibly hurt us. You can't. And in game three, guess what he. In game two, guess what he did. He goes 26 points, has a career high. So he does a lot of little things really, really well. And you don't have to ask him to do that because that's in his DNA. Yeah, he's going to play hard.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

OG Is what OG Is, you know, he's going to defend, he can rebound. Hey, he can make a. And now he's getting ultra, ultra aggressive. He only took 10 shots. The man took 10 shots and got 21 points.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

He been efficient like a mug, like for the past couple. You know, he didn't play a whole lot in that Philly series, but hell, against my Hawks here, he barely missed. He barely missed. OG has been great. I like what they doing with Landry Shamon. You know, when him coming to the bench, he been giving them great minutes. He's a great complimentary piece to Brunson and Towns and Bridges and OG Them. I just think they, they, they kind of got it figured out, fellas. You know, to be honest, I, I know we, we Talk a lot about my house because we had that. That bad game six. But ever since then, man, them boys ain't been playing no games, man. Teams outside of game one from Cleveland, they hadn't been close.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Nope.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Games haven't been close.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

They broke the wheel, Joe.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

They did, bro.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

They broke their will. And if you think about it, Landry Shamrot has played so well in game one. Normally, Jordan Clarkson.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Would get Major Alvarado this like. Nah, nah. Ever since Jordan Clarkson came in there. I mean, excuse me, Shame. It came in. In that game four and knocked down those threes and kind of kept it going in that overtime. He's been coming in and he can't miss.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah. Hey, you look at him.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

He was what, four or five from the three point line tonight? 14 points.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Hey, but there will come a time the Knicks will need Jordan Clarkson. I just think in this series, Shame is such a great catch and shoot guy. I ain't saying Jordan Clarkson can't catch and shoot, but he got he more. He more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And right now, we ain't got time for that. We got a good thing going. We need you to catch a shoot, you know, we need you to catch a shoe. And Shammy is playing great off these guys, bro. He plays great within himself. Don't do too much. The man went four for five and four for five from three. Like he. That's. That's hot.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You think about it the other night? What, he's three for three.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I think the biggest thing is though, Joe, look at the defense that he's playing. Landry Shamrot is really not known as a defender, but he's played outstanding defense. And when you got a guy that's knocking down Cholo, well, he's known to shoot the ball. Okay, that's a given. But, oh, now he gonna defend. And it's amazing when guys get a little run, they see a couple of shots go in. Now all of a sudden they do that old Duke. They hit the floor like, let's go.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And you see Landry Shammy picking up James Harden. You see him pick it up, I'm like, damn, that's. You come. Hey, now, now to the Cavaliers, Joe Donovan. James. I mean, what you go. I mean, I'm just trying to figure out how y'.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

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[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, from three guys. Yeah, Mobley had five, Mitchell had five Harden had five. So you had 16 turnovers. 15 of them came from three guys. I'm looking at Donovan Mitchell. Donovan Mitchell got a guy wide open in the corner. Why the hell. He tried to thread the ball right there in the middle of the court. He get tilt, guess what lead to a fast break. And then he looked to the bench. Don't look over here. If I was the coach, I'd have flipped him off.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Hey, hey.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yo. I'm like, bro, you got a guy wide open on the. It was. As a matter of fact, it was Mobley. I said, you got Mobley wide open at the three. And you try that, Pat.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Hey, I know.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I just. I don't know where they go. Chat. I don't. I don't know where they go from here. Cause the. The. They broke. The Knicks broke their spirit. I still believe. I still believe that he should have called a timeout. He should have called two timeouts to try to break their rhythm, to try to give your guy the chance to regroup. Come tell them something, guys, we're two minutes from home. Get us home. Two minutes and a two minutes, and we snatch home court from these guys. We can do it. We were down. We were down to Detroit, and we came back and won that series,

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

man. Tonight was horrible. Especially from. From behind. Behind the three. I mean, it was bad.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

I mean, listen, you look at New York, bro. They shot 55, 50, 56% from the field. I mean, man, we talked about. We talk about this all the time, okay? You can't win no damn game, man, letting no team shoot no 56 from the field, bro.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Hell no.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

I'm telling you. Listen, you look at the. You look at the San Antonio and Thunder series, you see how physical it is, and his body's hitting the ground every. Almost every damn play, man. That's how you gotta play, bro. Like, you. You gotta let them know you there. You know what I mean? I just like, for Cleveland being at home, like, damn, the series could be tied one one, you know, coming into game three, like, for me, I just felt that the Cavs will come out with just a little more sense of urgency, guys. You know what I mean?

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

You. You.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

You. You had. You. I mean, you have to. I mean, right now. Hell, why would you. If I'm the Cavs, what you gonna do? Game four? No, you ain't trying to go back to New York for no damn five. For game five, man, please.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, Josh Hart and what you call him.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Say, man.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Man, we get us a couple of episodes of our podcast Tape while they bullshit. We go, hey, hey. Oh joy, Joe. We get a couple of episodes. Cause you know we ain't gonna be able to take nothing. We get to the NBA Finals. So we go ahead and knock this thing out Monday.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Knowing that the spurs and okc, they got to go. At least they got to go back. They got to go back to okc. So we could go ahead and knock out two of the episodes that'll hold us over.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Hey, they, they. Not only can they knock out some episodes, but boy, they better have some security down there in New York. If them boys win Monday. Just to be in the finals. Like the whole.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Oh my goodness, you gotta think, you

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

gotta think the Timberwolf, I mean, not Timberwol, the Thunder and the spurs, they probably gonna go. They probably gonna go. It might go six, seven games. So my thing is. Damn, bro. In the west, they, they, they so beat up. I just seen today that AJ Mitchell gonna be out. So it's like the Knicks gonna, they gonna be well rested, you know, coming into the Finals, bro. You know, I, I just think this is a great opportunity for the Knicks, Knicks fans and Knicks culture. But they still got a lot of work to do.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I mean, Mobley 1 for 6 from 3. Harden 1 from 7 from 3. Mitchell 3 for 10 from 3. I mean, my three best players.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Mn Turner was kid players.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

They shot 5 of 23 from the three point line. Donald Mitchell is shooting 69 from the free throw line in this series.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

I don't know what's that about.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I don't either. I, I have no idea. And considering that he played so well in the. And he's a. Look, that's not to take away from him. That's not to take away. But at some point in time, bro, you, you, you, you leaving us, you leaving a lot to be desired in your postseason play based on the regular season resume that you built for yourself. Nobody, no, I'm telling you, nobody, nobody care about that, bro. As you're going to have to deliver in the post season because all the greats have had to do it. And if you want to be considered one of those great players, you're gonna have to have moments in the post season and right now, far too many times now. Congratulations. This is your first time getting to a conference finals. Hey, kudos for that. But bro, I mean, if you're gonna. Hey, and I guess that's what Joe and Ocho you hear people say, man, if I'm gonna lose, I'd rather not even go.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah, you hear That a lot,

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

you know about super bowl, by the NBA Finals, about the World Series, man, if I'm gonna lose, I'd rather not even go. Well, if you're gonna give us these kind of horse poop performances, right, why would you go and shut it home?

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah, I, you know, when I, When I look at it, I try to sympathize. What's up? I try to sympathize for Cleveland because they played two game sevens. And if y' all want me to be honest, they do. They look tired, bro. They. They look exhausted out there. Like when you can't. When you can't put forth the effort, you know, I know it's been a long series, guys not moving the same. You know, you don't see, you know, what it is. It's like. It's like James and Donovan, they don't really look like they having fun. And it's hard to play the game as much as we are professionals and we. And we also know that this is our job, bro. You can't take the fun out of the game. I don't give a damn what sport you playing. You still gotta come out.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

The Knicks beat that out of the. They didn't take it out the mix. Beat the fun out of them.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Well, I'm just saying, it's. It's very noticeable when you watch it. You know what I mean? They. They all keep these stale facial expressions, and typically, you know, you know, when you got it going or when you feeling good, bro, you just got a little extra bounce in your step. And I just didn't see that tonight from the cows, being that they was at home for game three, bro, it's like they, I feel like they think this over with.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

They threw the towel in, Uncle Joe. Yeah, they threw the towel in. I mean, you could tell by their play how inefficient everybody is. Some of the things that, that, that they do. Donovan Mitchell, you know, being 69, you know, from the free throw line, it's just everything is uncharacteristic of what they actually do. The narrative that have always been surrounding James Harden and goddamn Donovan Mitchell, you would have hoped this off, you know, this off season, this playoff series, not just this series, but in general in the playoffs, you know, and you think about them making it to the conference finals, for them, is this. Is this a. A wasted season?

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

No, I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say it's a wasted season.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

But, Joe, the problem that you're running into, what they're going to run into is that. At what expense do I keep this back court together? Okay, I resigned. Donovan, big buck. Max dollars. I resigned. Let's just say for the sake of argument and you know, we're having a healthy discussion here. I resigned. James Harden, three years, 30 million. Bevy Mobley is making 35 to 40 million. For what? They're not better than. I mean, they got past Detroit, but are they better than the Knicks? No, Boston's going to come back next year. Boston's coming back?

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Orlando will be better next year than they were this year. So now what, what, what do we do? What are we doing here?

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

They, they gotta address that small forward position. Yeah, like.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, I thought we got it covered.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

No, who, how would deep with weight.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

No, but I'm saying. Hold on. Address it. Well, how. So you want me to have, you want me to have a 30 million dollar point guard, a 55, 60 million dollar two guard, right. A 40 million dollar power forward, a 25 million dollar center. And how much you think I should be able to invest in a, a, a small forward?

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

I don't know, $500? You might have to go into the luxury tax if you want to win. You say you want to win, don't you?

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

They go to. Look, boy, I wish I might go to luxury tax for that.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Well, listen, you got to get you a small four or somebody who, who can compliment these guys, bro. Somebody who can make shots. Somebody who can, you know, you bro the east from the first three, four teams in the Eastern Conference. I mean, I ain't even talking about the Cavs, but I, I assume Detroit is going to get better.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Like you say.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Boston will be better. We, we saying the Magic will be better here. We said, We've been saying that for the past couple years, but they still got a chance, man. They just, they probably a piece of. They probably a piece or two away from continuing. I don't know if you bring. I don't know what you're gonna do, but you gotta pay Donovan. I don't get you. You gotta pay him max dollars. You can't let him go.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

But if, but when you think about it, when you really think, when you really break it down, who've been able to compliment Donovan, who's been able to compliment Harden? When we really look, when we really look at it, I mean, get, get past it. Who's been able to compliment those guys? He needs the ball. Mitch needs the ball. It's almost like. Okay, okay, my turn. Okay, Joe, your turn. Okay, Ocho, your turn. That's how mobley Mitch and Harden, that's seemingly how they play when you watch them, it don't seem any flow. Okay, I got the ball. And Donovan, get the ball over, lay up, step back three. Every mobile to get the ball, he gonna put it on the floor, spin over one of the shoulders. That ain't no offense.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

It ain't, bro.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

That's your. Your turn. My turn. My turn.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah. They gotta figure it out though, Uncle Ocho. I mean, here you make it to the Eastern Conference finals. Yeah, I mean, there's. There's some good that can come out of this, but the just being lethargic, no energy. I mean, damn, man, I don't know how you compete with that. I don't know how.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I don't. I don't know how either. I don't. And it was. It was. It was a pathetic performance today. It'd be interesting to hear what these guys are saying in the locker room about today's performance. Yeah, we just didn't have the energy, did that, blah, blah. But I ain't trying to hear all that. That. Man, guess what? Y' all had the same. Y' all had the same 20, 36 hour rest period that the Knicks had.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And they had to travel.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

So we're not gonna listen to y' all talk about. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Everybody. Everybody playing every other day now. Every team. Spurs, Thunder, Knicks, Cavs. Everybody's playing every other day. Yeah, everybody has a responsibility to do whatever you need to do to get your body ready to perform at a very high level when you take your ass on that court. And right now, my guys, the guys that I'm counting on, ain't giving me. Ain't giving. Ain't giving me a day's work.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

Maybe that might be exactly what you. You do hear from them, obviously you want everybody, you know, to have some type of true serum, you know, an opportunity to tell the truth and have accountability, Joe, for the way they played, you know, not just tonight. Hell, the first game, okay, you was fighting. They came back. Okay, game two, no fighting somebody. If you're gonna throw the punch, you got to at least land one.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

This is the biggest. This is the biggest fight for y' all all season long, and you don't even first punch.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Hold on, hold on. So you mean, tell me after game one, will you squander away this big ass lead? 22 points and you don't take no accountability? You think they finna take some accountability after game three?

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

Hell no.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

No, that ain't happening. Bro, I don't even see that. I'm just keeping 100. Like, I felt they should have took accountability after game one. They didn't do it.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

What? They just.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

They gonna come out and say, man, the Knicks were better than us tonight, period, point blank. They ain't. They ain't gonna say, oh, man, we. We should have came out with more energy or we should have done this. They're not gonna do that, bro. You're right. They're not gonna do that.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Two things can be true. You look there. They squandered that. But the Knicks had to be in position because we've seen situations where the game was right there for the taking. Ocho and Joe.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

We say the game was right there for the taking. They just didn't take it.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Okay.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

The game was there for the taken, and the Knicks took it. Yeah, but, bro, you cannot in a playoff game when you got. James Harden is a top 75 player. Donovan Mitchell is all NBA. Both of those guys are all NBA. Evan Mobile is a defensive player of the year. You cannot be up 22 and lose that game. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

You can't. Look, if. If. If one. Both two of those. Two of those three guys go down, I can say, look, guys, they had to come in. They had to play with their backups, but with those guys on the court.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And it seemed like. Like it's. Sometimes you call a timeout, just. Sometimes players want a coach to call a timeout just to reassure them that it's okay.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Right.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

You know, like. Like a. Like a. Like a child. Sometimes the child just want to hear the parents say, you okay? You okay? Get up. And to let that go. And just to let it go to my play through it. See, Phil Jackson started that bull job. Let him play through it.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Nah. Hell no. I don't trust y'. All. Come here. Time out.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah. Phil has some hall of Famers here.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Exactly. That's the thing. And then everybody tries to adopt that style without having that. Those players. You ain't got Scotty, you ain't got Mike, you ain't got Kobe, you ain't got Shaq.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Nope.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

So when you don't have that, you can't coach like that. Hell, it's easy for me to sit down the sideline. Yeah. I don't know.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Look, hey, hey. I'm giving the Knicks.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

They.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

They the credit that they deserve, though. Big body Brunson. He getting what he want out there, bro. He getting with him.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Where, when and what.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

And that's what I'm saying. Like, you know, you know, Donovan and James, they, they not, they're not defenders. But hell, at some point that way, that D. Wade, that man, what he gonna do? You know what I mean? Like, so he, he pretty much had his way in this series. He kind of, he took what the defense gave. They trapped him a couple games, he gave it up high assist games. But he can score the ball, bro. He can get to his spots. And ain't nothing these guys can do. I mean, they, they've been at his mercy. Hell, Philly been at his mercy. He had my Hawks at his mercy. And I mean, he just, he doing what he want with these calves, bro. I'm, I'mma be honest with you. I'm, I'm, I'm excited for the Knicks.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

But the thing is, Joe, is that when you got a Bronson and you don't have no defenders, they don't have any defenders.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Right?

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Mitch is not a defender. Donovan is not a defender. Wade is not a defender. Mobley Mobley is can defend. Jared Allen is more of a help, but they're more help defenders than all on ball defenders. So they don't really have anybody. And it's not to say you got your hands full trying to deal with this kid one on one anyway. Yeah, but when you don't got any, first of all, you don't have enough defenders and you ain't got nobody willing to step up and take the. And want to want the opportunity.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

There you go.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, hey. They quick to be running. Brussels got the ball. They pointing over there. Can't get him. They all you do. Watch them. No, no, no, no, no. Run your ass over there. He got something for you.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

They won't take the challenge.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

No, I don't want. They don't want that. Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe. They don't want the challenge.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

Hey, all you need to know right there, Joe.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Well, listen, at this point, at this point in the series, you have no choice, man. Listen what I told y', all, bro. We are. We know all y' all plays. Y' all know all our damn plays. Amano, Amano. Now Will versus Will, man, you gotta take the challenge. You have a prime opportunity here. Donovan and James. Donovan, this is first conference finals. James making it back to the conference finals, man, to be able to get to. Just to get a Knicks to run for they damn money. We don't want no damn sweep, man.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, Joe, I tell you what I saw. WWE saw it. Oh, Mitch came down there, he waved Wade off. He got it. He got Brunson. Brunson hit his ass up, you back on him. I said, well, damn, that was quick. He weighed a man off the first time. Brunson hit his ass up. Go ahead, get it back.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Right, right, right. Hey, but listen, you. Hey, see, my thing is, when you got a guy like that who. Who's had it going this whole entire playoffs, he's one of the best closers in this league. He's a hell of a player. He's an all star. He probably going to be an All NBA player. Yep. Bro, you, you, some way, somehow, you got to find a way to make that man uncomfortable, bro. And just sitting back on your heels waiting for him to come to you.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah. Ain't gonna get it catching him, ain't it?

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Hell, no.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

You gotta pressure him. You gotta pound. You gotta have somebody that can. Like. Like they do. Like they do. Like you look at the spurs, you look at. Okay, so you look at teams that they pick up and they pound. They hound you from. From. From the time you inbound the ball.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

They trying to deny you the inbound.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

You get in the ball, crowds half court with 18 seconds.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

So now, hey, I mean, excuse me, with, you know, six seconds and ran out the clock. So now you got 18 seconds to get your offense and you just cross half court.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

They ain't trying to give you nothing up tempo. Hell, how many fast break points? Did Cleveland have? Any fast break points? I'm trying to figure they had. They might have had the same number of France breakpoints that you and I had, Joe.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

No, no, no, no.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

They had four. They had four more than you and

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

I. Wow, wow, wow. Hey, man, that ain't gonna get it. You got. Hey, you know what? You gotta have a guy. And this is just from. From my observation throughout this playoffs, you gotta have a guy, bro, who can pick up fool and wear a guy down. You know? And I. I know y' all keep hearing me talk about my Hawks, but you look at Dyson Daniels, who was pesty, you know, with Brunson, outside of that, hell, he. He went. He ran through the sixes. He ran. He running through these dudes. So it's like you got to come with some resistance. Now, what I will tell you, they make it to these finals, he gonna have plenty of guys who're gonna be willing to pick his ass up full court and make him work.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

Hey, depending on what team it is, it don't matter what team.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Don't matter what team.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Hell, these guys, all these guys, all they got. Hey, the thing is the difference is, is that the Thunder got about four or five guys that'll pick your ass up and hound you from start to finish. Yeah, they go Lou Dort, they go Caruso. They got Case and Wallace. J Dub will see if he's able to go. He might not be able to go. They'll throw Isaiah Joe in there with your ass. They got four to five guys that will pick you up. And when one get tired, raise your hand, we'll send another one in. It's like a relay.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, Dort might take that responsibility. He'll pass that thing off to Caruso. Caruso will pass it off to Case of Wallace, Case of Wallace to hand it off to Isaiah Joe. And guess what? We'll come right back around.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah. Yeah. They weigh you down, bro. They weigh you down there. So it's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting. Obviously, you know, don't they got to get out of this series against the spurs, but it's going to be interesting because outside of Brunson, they don't really have no ball handlers like Josh Harden, Bridges, these guys aren't ball handlers. They slashers, three and D guys, you know, they play hard. They compete at the highest level. But, man, if you make somebody else bring this ball up, we don't know what that's gonna look like, Right?

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

I mean.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Oh, what you wanna say, Ojo?

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

I can't wait. I mean, this series over, huh? And Joe it is, bro. Hey, listen, unless the NBA gotta pay bills.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Come on, now. Come on.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah, I don't mean to go there, Joe. I'm just telling you now, you know, sometimes you got to give. Let's. Let's extend it a little bit, you know, get some of that sponsorship money, you know? You know, let some Extend. Some of that commercial money hit.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Ocho, we can extend it if the games were close, if we got a one or four, how we. How we go? How are we going to get the game? You see how they beat. Beat the hell out people? Hell, I can't. I can't even do anything to help you.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah. It's just tough, bro. It's tough.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

But.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

But to me, it don't. I mean, James had 19. Five and five.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Six turnovers, bro. They just. To me, they just ain't got enough when it comes to playing against the. The upper echelon teams, meaning the Knicks and hell, whoever gonna come out of this other series, they ain't got enough to compete. That's why I was so conflicted. With the Detroit because I'm like, damn. I, I like, I want to see Cleveland play the Knicks because they got a little more offensive firepower, right? But I kind of want Detroit because I know they gonna at least they gonna compete and play hard here.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, they're gonna compete to the end.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah. Yeah, they gonna compete to the end. So to have the Cavs in this situation, bro, and on the brink of being swept at home, I mean, Damn.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

So Knicks 121, Cavaliers 108. The five Knick starters and double figures. Landry Shammy came off the bench and goes four or five from the three point line. He has 14 OG 21, Cat 13, Josh Hart 12, Mikhail Bridges 22. And Jalen Brunson says, you know what? You know, I didn't score. I wasn't that I didn't score the ball. Y' all made me into a passer. Now, y' all went back because y' all didn't like the way I got everybody involved. So y' all went back to playing me head up. Y' all see what I'm capable of. Y' all know me, my work. Yeah, last four, last three, four years, y' all hadn't seen my work enough.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

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[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

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[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah.

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[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Is make you I think that like 85 when he spread out the rim ain't number 10ft so you got to put that so high above the rim when he on defense

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

lock in something he did tall.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

You been on the floor this hard and he got to go that feel like a statue. It's so hard to beat them when he on the floor just because of his defense. Man, I was so happy that got kicked out

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

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[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

Hey. That's exactly what you said.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

Exactly what you said. And if and if there's any player who will tell it exactly like it is, it's not going to be politically correct. It's that goddamn amp boy.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yep.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

That's why you gotta love him. Gotta love him. You gotta love his honesty because he only reiterated what we all been talking about the whole damn playoffs. Wemby just too damn much even just on just by him being out there on defense. Look, you ain't. And the fact that they are. The spurs already got guards that. That sit down in the chair and really guard. Okay, let's say you do give them your best one, two, and you get by them. Hell, look what you running into that man letting you know. Look, you got to alter all your damn shots that you normally just see, you gotta throw that thing way old damn gold. Now, that's why. Look, when we talk about Nas Reed, I said, damn, Nas. I seen Nas throw a running damn hook. I ain't never seen that man. I ain't never seen that man shoot a damn running hook. Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Oh, he's nine foot tall, eight foot tall. No, he's probably about nine and a half feet tall. Would he stand up, up on the rib and don't let him jump?

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah, you can't see it.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

You can't even see the rim. You have a couple of floaters and stuff like that. But you're not anticipating. Because think about it. You go from a regular guy playing defense, now all of a sudden, his ass back there.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

The shot I just shot the previous time down the court. I can't shoot that same. Same shot now. Cause your big ass in here.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Right, right.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And then. And then Joe, you somebody his defense. Now imagine him giving you 25, 30, 35, 40 with his defense and giving you 40

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

then. Listen, I was watching the game yesterday. Cause you know, Wendy handled the ball a lot.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

So.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Hell, if he out there on the perimeter handling the other guys are Smalls. They not gonna be in the paint. They had five guys around the perimeter, and Wimby was at the top handling that thing like going into his bag.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, you.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

That's rare. You never. You never see that, bro. It's always at least one guy inside the three. They had five guys outside of three. That's, that's. That's. That's what's making. That's what makes the spurs so much danger. I mean, hell, we all know, you know, we'd be a cheat code, bro.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

But I think they need to. I think they need to start him down lower, Joe, because he said, I gotta make my guys better. How can you make the guys better? You ain't got nobody that can post up with you, right? Yeah, I mean, that. That's not Castle's game. That's not Harper's game. That's not Vassell. That's not Champagne's game. So in other words, all y' all got. They only really got one guy that can post That's Wimby.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I'm not running down plays for Luke Cornet.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Nah, I. I think that Hornet.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Nothing. No.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah. Hey, hey. I think the physicality that Hardenstein is bringing, ever since game one, keeping a body on and being physical with him, you know, Wimby is starting to try to offset by taking him out in the deep waters. You know what I mean? Like, okay, you think you want to play rough inside here or when I bring your ass out here in the deep water and drown you? Yeah. I want to see what you do, you know, now he out there playing tweening because Hardenstein can't guard that out there, Uncle Ocho.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Right.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

You know, now only thing Heartstein can do is hope that he miss. But if he's making them shots, that's what, that's what takes his game to a whole nother level. I think the resistance or the physicality that, that the thumbnail bringing, that Hardenstein is bringing is starting to kind of wear on him a little bit. That's why he's. He's been out there on the perimeter so damn much. He's talking about he got to make his guys better. You're right. He gonna have to establish position, you know, in that.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

On.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

In the mid post, low post to where they have to double.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, right. And so now I can get guys, slash, dive into the basket. Ain't nobody, man, you out past the three point line, ain't nobody diving to no damn basket. You way out there and getting in the ball. You got to be on the block and have somebody when the double team come. Now you get somebody in the. To die to the basket. Now you got somebody. Okay, you get the ball at the nail and now you got somebody in the dunker spot.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

But other than that. No, if. If all five guys at the three point line, Joe, I ain't really worried about it.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

No, sir. No, sir.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I need somebody to put. You need somebody because what okc. OKC gonna put pressure on that rim.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Shay, go. Hey. Shay is looking to attack edges. He's looking to get on the edge. And if you don't settle, if you don't build a wall, he going a. You better grill it because, hey, he's slippery.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Get on the edge and he go. Next thing you know, he gonna throw his body like, come on, man. That wasn't a foul, but damn, it looked like a fight.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

Hey, look, you can't tell the difference in real time either, Joe.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

What's that?

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

I mean, I mean, you know, the the foul bait. Sometimes, you know, in. In full time, in real time, as fast as those players are playing, I think people watching from home, you really don't understand how fast. And boys moving when you watch from home, you know, they slow. They slow it down on tv. Copy. And you can see the file clear as day. But when they moving fast as hell, it's. Yeah, it's different.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah. Hey, hey. And I. I think Wimby. Yeah. He's. He has to establish, you know, somewhere down in the low, close or the block area and kind of spray out to these guys. So y' all can get second chance opportunity. They don't get no second chance opportunities with him standing his ass out there at the three or playing on the perimeter, you know, because if he the biggest guy and he got the best handle and he, you know, going into his bag once that shot go up, hell, if he don't make it, they. They don't get no second chance points. You know what I mean? We off to the races.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Because think about it, Joe. Plus, also when he's so far out, somebody shoot a shot, they got it. They put a body on him, he can't get the ball.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

So the. The further you away from the basket, the harder it is for the rebound.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And he's gonna have. He's gonna have to. Hey, he's gonna have to sit that, that, that post up. He gonna have to sit it much closer to the basket, Joe, if I'm okay. And guys gonna have to put pressure on the rim.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Hey.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

So guys. And the number one thing they need to do. They gotta stop turning the damn ball over, Joe.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

You ain't got no chance. You're not. You're not even coming close to beating them. You dodged a bullet in game one. You like? Cause Castle had what, nine, ten turnovers in game one, and you won the game. Did you actually think that's a recipe? He had a. Okay, my bad. He had 11 in game one.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Joe, do you really think that is a recipe to beat the Thunder? You got so lucky when he walked in and hit a Steph Curry shot like he did. You remember Steph Curry walked in there and he hit that shot.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Going crazy.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yes.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

He hit one of those shots and it took a lot out of him. But if you think you're gonna turn the ball over 18, 20 plus times, it'd be okay, see you. Not because they're gonna get some easy buckets on your ass.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

They thrive. They thrive off them turnovers.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

Hey, Uncle Joe, Another. Another thing too, right? Are you saying when we need. Need to establish down there in the post, you know, that double that double gonna come fast.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

So that's what I want.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

Hey, now, the onus is on everybody else. Even with.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yes.

[Ocho (Co-host/Analyst)]

Even with that slashing. Maybe they don't get that up easy. You're gonna have to be able to hit them shots from outside too.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yes, yes.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

I. I think if you okc. You don't double him right away. I wouldn't double them right away. I'm making. He had to make a couple on me, Uncle Ocho, for me to send a double team. Okay. Damn. If he done shots, all right? We don't really want him to get him rolling too good. Only catch as soon as he catch it. Let's bring the double. But for the initial, they do a great job, but just physicality, bro. Just. Just keeping him off the block, you know, like. Like when. When. When BP was on here the other day. We talk about doing your work early. As soon as he come across half court, if he come inside this three point line, it's resistance the whole time. So by the time he catch the ball, hell, we didn't. Took some of his damn legs. He ain't got too much energy effort to give. Just keeping it 100, you know what I mean? And that's. I think. What okc. That's the game plan. Keep a body on his ass at all times. They are.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

That's why you only have four rebounds now. Plus, he ain't. He don't really chase no rebounds. Because if you think about it, there have been times he had to rebound right there and the guard come take it right out his hands. He's like, go ahead and get it. I'm like, man, look here, if y' all see me down here, don't y' all come down here and get this for real.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

That's how Bigs be though, huh?

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe (Co-host/Analyst)]

Hey, hey, hey, look, you'll have Big tell you. They'll tell you doing a timeout or a half time after the game. Hey, man, stay your ass from down here messing my rebounds now, you know? Hey, hey, them big gonna be playing by their rebound. But you right. Wimby ain't got that, like, stinginess to him, that greediness to him on the defense end where he want to grab every rebound. That will come, though. That will come as long as he keep. The longer he keeps playing and he starts to understand, you know, he wants to be an mvp, he's always gonna be in the conversation. So he'll be able to. Yeah, to be able to average 25 plus points. Hell, double figures and rebounders. You always he gonna lead the league in blocks for the next five, seven damn years. So he'll have a, he'll have a, he'll definitely have an opportunity to be an MVP conversation every year. And I think that that would definitely be the difference.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I I also think the thing is Joe, the Spurs second unit is going to have to do a better job of keeping the OKC second unit under contained. They have to do a better job. They can't let Jay. They can't let Jay will get that. They can't let McCain get that. They can't let Caruso do. They cannot. You can't get and now Superhuman Shaq

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