Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Pittsburgh's Revamped Offense, Browns squash Garrett Trade Rumors, Steelers Breaking News

Summary

Nightcap – Deebo & Joe (Part 1): Pittsburgh's Revamped Offense, Browns Squash Garrett Trade Rumors, Steelers Breaking News

Podcast: Nightcap
Hosts: James “Deebo” Harrison & Joe Haden
Date: May 29, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode of Nightcap, former NFL stars James “Deebo” Harrison and Joe Haden break down hot-button topics from around the league, focusing on the latest news out of Cleveland and Pittsburgh. They run the full gamut from Browns trade rumors and team culture to Steelers coaching news, with signature storytelling and unfiltered banter. NBA playoffs, off-season speculation, and behind-the-scenes locker room insight round out the discussion, all delivered through “Unc and Ocho’s” irreverent, player-to-player lens.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Joe Haden’s Hangover & Fan Credentials

• Timestamps: [04:27]–[11:00]
• Joe jokes about overindulging after a tough Cavs loss ("I had a long night... big-time electrolytes, hydration, and coffee here to the side. Ready to go for the show." – Joe, [04:49])
• Back-and-forth about Joe receiving a Cavs championship ring, his superfan status, and why owners reward loyal supporters ("He knew you went to the Browns, man. So you knew that." – Deebo, [12:49])
• Debate about who’s more deserving of a championship ring: loyal fans, employees, or actual players.

2. Cleveland Cavaliers Off-Season Hopes: LeBron & Giannis?

• Timestamps: [06:51]–[09:25], [10:59]–[12:44]
• Joe speculates on massive moves for the Cavs—possibly landing LeBron and Giannis. ("LeBron James, 1000%. We need him to come back... Giannis, Bron, that's what I'm looking for for Cleveland for the off-season." – Joe, [06:53])
• Discussion of what assets would be moved for such blockbusters, with Joe naming Evan Mobley and James Harden as likely trade chips.
• Joe defends his “superfan” credentials and his bond with Dan Gilbert—spanning the Cavs’ worst years.

3. NBA Playoffs Talk

• Timestamps: [13:55]–[21:51]
• Analysis and predictions for the upcoming Game 7, focusing on OKC and Spurs.
• Deebo breaks down the physicality affecting SGA (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander) and how free throw counts change outcomes. ("He had three free throws last game, so if he's not getting to the line... that's more around 15, 16 points." – Joe, [14:24])
• Both hosts debate matchups, the impact of absent players, and what each team needs to win.

4. Steelers’ Offense & Mike McCarthy “Blow-up” Story

• Timestamps: [21:51]–[29:15]
• Deebo reads headlines about Mike McCarthy being “enraged” with an assistant, calling out clickbait narratives. ("You tell me what is enraged about this. These clickbait right now." – Deebo, [21:51])
• The real story: A young position coach shares too much scheme info—McCarthy responds with mild, tongue-in-cheek scolding.
• Discussion about how inexperienced coaches may “overshare” with media, and why veteran coaches hold their cards close.

5. Browns DC (Defensive Coordinator) Press Conference & Myles Garrett Trade Rumors

• Timestamps: [29:57]–[41:37]
• Browns DC skillfully dodges questions about Myles Garrett’s absence and potential trades ("That’s called deflection." – Deebo, [30:44]).
• Both hosts agree that skipping OTAs isn’t unusual for top veterans, especially under lucrative contracts. ("It's not a big deal... When dudes come to the mandatory things, that's when they're ready to go." – Joe, [31:53])
• Deebo floats a scenario explaining why voluntary can feel like mandatory—especially when big incentives are attached ("Well, listen Joe, when you got a million dollar incentive to just show up and be present at the off season..." – Deebo, [35:17])
• They speculate about real reasons Garrett may be absent—hinting at trade leverage or contract unease.

6. Three-Team Trade Hypothetical: Myles Garrett, A.J. Brown, and Draft Picks

• Timestamps: [41:53]–[45:56]
• Joe proposes an imaginative, blockbuster three-team trade:
  • Eagles get Myles Garrett (give up A.J. Brown + a 1st)
  • Patriots get A.J. Brown (give up two 1sts)
  • Browns get three first-rounders
• “That is my thing. Everybody's dysfunctional. Everybody's happy. Miles is happy. AJ Brown is happy. The Patriots are happy. The Browns get three first round picks." – Joe, [43:06]
• Deebo and Joe debate the deal’s fairness, with Joe admitting it's all speculation: "If Miles leaves, that's what it would look like. That's all I was saying, man." [46:24]

7. Steelers Breaking News: Coach Darius Swinton Let Go

• Timestamps: [46:35]–[48:39]
• Breaking story: Steelers part ways with assistant special teams coach Darius Swinton for a “violation of club policy.”
• Both puzzled how an offseason hire could get cut so quickly; they playfully toss around possible explanations while declining to dive into rumors.
  • “He either was trying to do his own thing and Martin McCarthy wasn't rocking with it, or he got caught up in the south side.” – Joe, [47:30]
  • “Leave it alone, bruh. Leave the south side alone.” – Deebo, [47:42]
• Importance of staying out of locker room politics and not speculating on behind-the-scenes drama.

8. Championship Rings & Recognizing Team Employees

• Timestamps: [49:11]–[52:45]
• Spirited debate returns: who deserves championship rings? Joe argues team employees—concession workers, security staff, etc.—are part of organizational success.
  • “Would you be okay with them getting the ring that worked inside? Yes. Okay. That's all I need to know.” – Joe, [51:21]
  • “Game in and game out. Not sitting there yelling and screaming, hooping and hollering, drinking. You ain't even putting in no time.” – Deebo, [51:28]
• Joe proudly displays Cavs memorabilia, maintaining his courtside presence was part of the fabric.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Joe, on overindulging post-Cavs loss:
  “You don't drink until the point of drunkenness. So I do indulge sometimes but I overindulged.” [04:50]

• On LeBron’s versatility if he returns:
  "LeBron could do the 1, the 2, the 3, the 4, the 5. He's a chameleon." – Joe [06:53]

• On NBA physical playoff play:
  “They playing, man. They out there playing football with that man. He just getting ran through…” – Deebo [15:05]

• On McCarthy “blow-up” over assistant’s comments:
  “You know how that is—crazy, bro…That is just to get people to click on what you’re talking about.” – Joe [23:57]

• On the craft of dodging tough media questions:
  “When it’s a tough question and you can’t get a real answer…you redirect the question and say what the hell you want…” – Deebo [30:47]

• On OTAs for star veterans:
  “It’s not a big deal…he's off. He’s chilling. OTAs are optional team activities.” – Joe [31:53]

• Three-team hypothetical trade:
  “Everybody’s dysfunctional. Everybody’s happy. Miles is happy. AJ Brown is happy. The Patriots are happy. The Browns get three first round picks.” – Joe [43:06]

• Championship ring eligibility:
  “Would you be okay with them getting the ring that worked inside? Yes.” – Joe [51:21]

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Episode Flow & Engagement

• The episode weaves sports news, candid storytelling, and outright comedy, engaging both hard-core fans and casual listeners.
• Deebo and Joe often take friendly jabs at each other while digging into real football culture and the media’s tendency to manufacture controversy.
• The show blends on-field analysis with authentic behind-the-scenes anecdotes, and makes broader points about the business and culture of sports.

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Key Timestamps for Major Segments

• [04:27] – Joe on hangovers, Cavs “fan ring” banter
• [06:51] – Cavs’ off-season dreams; LeBron & Giannis talk
• [13:55] – NBA playoffs: SGA, physicality, and keys to Game 7
• [21:51] – Steelers’ McCarthy “rage” story deconstructed
• [29:57] – Browns DC on Myles Garrett & OTA absence
• [41:53] – Three-way trade scenario
• [46:35] – Steelers break up with assistant coach Swinton
• [49:11] – Debate on championship rings for employees and fans

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Tone & Language

• Unfiltered, locker-room casual; lots of playful ribbing and "real talk" between two NFL veterans.
• Much of the insight is delivered through stories and analogies; the hosts occasionally drift back to old player/coach habits when critiquing league news or media narratives.

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This episode delivers all the insider commentary and player chemistry fans expect—offering a window into both current headlines and the culture of sports from two respected NFL voices.

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[Joe]

You yes sir.

[Deebo]

I'm doing a little bad today cause my thing done did some little things here. I don't know what's going on but I'm talking into my little camera thing right here. So how you doing today though?

[Joe]

I am doing a lot better than I was doing the last episode. My brother. God. I was struggling, Dee Bo. I was struggling.

[Deebo]

What happened?

[Joe]

Joe, I'm telling you, you know I don't, you know I'm. I'm a God fearing man and there is. I do drink alcohol. But you don't drink until the point of drunkenness. So I do indulge sometimes but I overindulge you. You drink when you drink in excess. That is not good. Nothing in excess is good except for praising the Lord. So I'm telling you this. I did drink a little too much. I had a long, a long night. Calves got that belt to tush. So I was drinking and then I had a long night and I woke up and then I had like the, you know and how I beat the shakes a little bit. So I had a little hangover. I'm locked in now. Big time electrolytes, big time hydration. Have my coffee here to the side. Ready to go. Ready to go for the show. I was looking malnourished on the show. I'm looking back at the videos, Deebo. I was looking crazy. That's how you be looking when you be sweating like that, too, though.

[Deebo]

Listen, listen. But I'm. I'm coming from a workout, you know, I'm trying to. You. You coming from just working out your arm and your hand, you know, just throwing them back. You know what I'm saying? Trying to get your emotions in check because, you know, your team that did so bad over here that you don't even know what to do. You don't know how to.

[Joe]

I need to get. I need. I know they threw me out.

[Deebo]

I mean, you want to talk about it now? Because you really couldn't talk about it then.

[Joe]

I mean, you know, there's nothing really to be talked about. You know, we went out there and was not. And didn't do what we needed to do. They won.

[Deebo]

Well, they bring the coach back. So you like?

[Joe]

Yes, I do. Yes, I do. I do. I think it's a good, good, good move. Good coach. I think that, like we said, we spoke on the answer that he gave and why he did it, and I think that he's. At the end of the day, I think he's.

[Deebo]

Yeah, I understand. I mean, you.

[Joe]

I think he's a good coach.

[Deebo]

You didn't think he should go. You just said he shouldn't say that no more. He's, you know, he should be able to stay. He just don't say that no more. He might. He might.

[Joe]

No, for sure. But, you know, we. It's. The off season is coming, and. And if you want to get into that a little bit, I'm excited for our future moves and what. What we could possibly do.

[Deebo]

You obviously heard that LeBron might be coming back.

[Joe]

LeBron James, 1000%. We need him to come back. Love, love that for him to close it out, bring it back to Cleveland. We need him to be now a point guard. He's more. LeBron could do the 1, the 2, the 3, the 4, the 5. We showed he's a chameleon, so whatever we would need him to do for our squad, he. He'll be able to do it. I'm looking at it right now more if we do move on from Harden, which I'm thinking we might. Braun coming in. Bron maintaining main ball control. Donovan Mitchell not going anywhere. You know what I'm saying? Jerry Allen for sure not going nowhere. And we're thinking about Getting Yontas and to Takounmpo. Okay.

[Deebo]

Who told you that? When you hear that?

[Joe]

That's what I'm hearing from the grapevine. That's what I'm hearing from the grapevine. So I don't know how that's going to work. I don't know how they're going to. Because they're trying to say that's going to mean there's no way of getting Giannis and Mobley and keeping Mobley. So I'm going to see how they going to figure that out. But Bron Mitchell, Jared Allen, Giannis, then we got Max Strus, Solid D. Wade that we had. I'm loving with that right there because they have the surrounding parts. We would have enough star power and enough main players.

[Deebo]

So what y'.

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[Deebo]

So, so what's your lineup? With the current lineup, you gonna keep everybody that's there right now? Where Brian going? Who. Who you moving out?

[Joe]

The only one. Well, I. I love Evan, Mo. I like Evan Mobley's game for what we got going on, but for. Yes, it might have to be. It might have to be Evan Mobley. It might have to be Evan Mobley. Evan Mobley, Evan Mobley and James Harden. Because if we're bringing in Braun and Giannis, then Donovan Mitchell's still going to be there.

[Deebo]

Damn. Y' all think y' all gonna get Braun and Giannis?

[Joe]

Yeah. Yes, yes, yes.

[Deebo]

To Cleveland. Well, hell, he is coming from Milwaukee.

[Joe]

He's coming from Milwaukee. He's been there a long time. He's distraught. He's trying to go somewhere and win. Donovan Mitchell is not the problem we need. I love D. Mitchell, I love Spider. You know what I'm saying? So just bringing Bronx, getting Giannis, Jarrett, Allen for sure. Max Strust, like D. Wade. We can get some more pieces, whatever. But the main, main ones, if we get Giannis, Braun, that's what I'm looking for for Cleveland for the off season, for our moves. If you're asking me, if you're asking me.

[Deebo]

Okay. Did you talk to Dan?

[Joe]

I know that they, they, they. They're recruiting right now. They're trying to see what's going on. They trying to get Bron back.

[Deebo]

Okay. I'm just, you know, I was just wondering because, you know, you got you so. You so close over there, you know, I ain't gonna say nothing about the ring you had on your finger, that cash ring you had on your finger for sure.

[Joe]

Let's go cast. What are you talking about? They won the championship.

[Deebo]

I'm Just saying. I'm just saying, like, how you. I mean, I didn't. I didn't see your name on the. I didn't see your name on the

[Joe]

roster because I wasn't on the roster. I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan. I can say. I can be. I can let that be known. I am a fan of the Cleveland.

[Deebo]

So how'd you. How'd you get that?

[Joe]

Because the owner is my good man, and he makes me. Because I'm a big. I'm a super fan. So he gave a futuba fan. He looked out the people that work in the concessions, you know what I'm saying? Everybody that worked in Cleveland that works for the Cavaliers got them a ring.

[Deebo]

That's how.

[Joe]

That's how my man Dan rocks, man. We want it together.

[Deebo]

Yes. Because you was just. I. I think what.

[Joe]

What.

[Deebo]

You know me, I'm thinking. I always think so. I ain't no hater, man. I think he just. I think he shows some pity on you. You know what I'm saying? You know, he knew you.

[Joe]

I was riding with them. They were losing. I got drafted. You know, when I got drafted to the Cavs, I mean, when I got drafted to the Browns, LeBron James drafted to the cash.

[Deebo]

Y' all listen to this dude, man. He living himself delusional right now. He talking about he got drafted.

[Joe]

Listen, I'm. I'm just. It's so intertangled my love for my city. When I got drafted to the Browns, LeBron James was passing me in the air and going to Miami. So our team was not good. We drafted Kyrie and. Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson. My good men were out there balling, doing their thing, and I was going to every game courtside. They could give away seats almost to the Cavs at that point because they were not winning too many games. So I was going courtside. We were losing, but I was supporting every time, all the games, all those years. So then when Bron came back, I'm still courtside. I'm not going nowhere. Everybody now, oh, Dan let me come to the games like, oh, yeah, yeah. Bron's coming back. He like, no, Joe was here when we was getting spanked back in the day when we drafted Kyrie, went to the draft lottery to go get the number one pick, you know what I'm saying? With my good man, Nick Gilbert, RIP Nick Gilbert, Dan's son, the great Nick, to go get the number one pick. So that's why it's love. It's real Bonds There I was fighting like I wasn't just a fair weather fan. I was, oh, no, Bron's not here, man. Bump the Cavs, y' all trash. I ain't rocking with y'. All. I was sitting courtside, taking those L's with the mask. I had on Baron Davis beards. I had on Aaron Verdeschild wigs. I was going to the games full uniform, Deebo with shorts and a jersey on like I was about to play with the Anderson Verjan wig on. Yeah, suck me in, coach. If you need me, I'm here, Dan. So I was damn near player, you know what I'm saying? So that's why I get the love. That's why me and my good man Dan. You know what I'm saying? Politicking.

[Deebo]

Okay? It was pity.

[Joe]

No pity.

[Deebo]

No pity.

[Joe]

No pity. All love.

[Deebo]

He was like, you know what, man? I see a guy that, you know, he done put himself in a situation that he. He don't even realize he's never going to have an opportunity to, you know, win the all. You. You went to the. You went to the Browns, man. So you knew that.

[Joe]

He knew.

[Deebo]

He knew that.

[Joe]

He saw the skill. He saw the passion. He saw, like, man, listen, Joe is going hard out here. It's not his fault.

[Deebo]

I think. I think they got some fans that go a little harder than you out there, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah, they wouldn't put this. They wouldn't. They wouldn't. They wouldn't. They wouldn't throw this. They wouldn't throw this crazy. This Fire Bend. Throw back on. Because I got love for my Steelers fans, too. I'm rocking with Steeler Nation also. Cause I did my.

[Deebo]

That's what I'm saying. You up here, boy. You playing both sides of the fence, man. I don't even know.

[Joe]

I put in blood, sweat and tears for seven years for the Browns and then five, blood, sweat and tears for the Steelers, like real years, trying to go get it. What do you want from me? I can't be nothing but real. I can't be nothing but.

[Deebo]

All right, so who. Go win it because. Because we got.

[Joe]

We got.

[Deebo]

We got game seven coming up.

[Joe]

Okay?

[Deebo]

After what.

[Joe]

What? Did you watch game six?

[Deebo]

Listen, man, it don't even look like Oklahoma. They was even trying, man. They didn't look like they was trying.

[Joe]

Was trying. But, you know, the spurs is not out there playing. And this is one thing I understand,

[Deebo]

man, but look, dude, they came out. The second half was like, you know, we. Yeah, it's like, let him just. Let him. Run it, man. Get him. You know, let him do.

[Joe]

That's what I'm trying to tell you. If at my man SGA is nice, but if that man, Castle. Do you see Castle out there playing that defense? He's playing good defense. Wemby's also lagging off, so it's actually good defense. And when he scored 32 last game, Shay, he has 17 free throws. If he's not getting to the line. He had three free throws last game, so if he's not getting to the line, that. That 17. That 32 points minus 17 free throws. You know what I'm saying? That's looking more around the 15, 16 points range. If he gets to the line a lot more, it doesn't matter if the ref's gonna call him fouls or. You know what I'm saying.

[Deebo]

They playing, man. They out there playing football with that man. He just getting ran through, man. Dude just dropping his head and just running straight through sga, man. Come on. Stop it. The one little dude that was over there crying, about ready to cry the game before, he went and just lowered his shoulder and just ran.

[Joe]

It's a lot of. Yeah, it's. It's both. Both. Yeah, he did. Yes, he did.

[Deebo]

Okay.

[Joe]

Yeah, he did. He did.

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[Joe]

It was mad. They was mad. They had to go get some. They had to go put some pads on them. I ain't going to lie, bro. Yes.

[Deebo]

Stop playing man. Like that's, that's unbelievable, man.

[Joe]

Who you think's gonna win game seven?

[Deebo]

I think Oklahoma. Yeah, I think they gonna Pull it out. Real talk. I don't think your boy can. I don't think. He just keep coming. Stacking, stacking, man. All you gotta do is wear a lean on him, man. Put somebody on it. Just put a body on it. Dude, he's seven foot. What?

[Joe]

Man, they say something, that's victim weight to me.

[Deebo]

230. Hey, they talking about I'm victim weight because I'm two. I'm down to 255. That man, he is like, and four inches taller than me and he only 20 pound. He 20 pounds lighter.

[Joe]

But it's not, it's not just him too though. They got castle, they got two 24, they got 30, they got ballers, bro.

[Deebo]

Listen, man, they need numbers from him. They need, they need, they need, they need double, double with a few blocks and, and maybe a couple steals and all that other stuff to get the, to get the, the results to look like it's supposed to look on, on that, on that scoreboard like we gonna see.

[Joe]

I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know, J. They playing some D is depending on how the fouls are gonna be called. And, and now Oklahoma City, we keep on, remember, not forgetting. They don't have a second best player, J Dub, you know what I'm saying? They keep putting all of this pressure on Shay. J Dub, their second best player is not in the game. He's out. He came back last, last game, one for 10. Like had 10 minutes, one shot, you know what I'm saying? No buckets. That's going to be big Harper for the spurs, like I said too. The Harper and Castle bucket getters.

[Deebo]

Not, not, not, not, not.

[Joe]

No, Casey, look, it's gonna be, look, it's gonna be a good, good game.

[Deebo]

Run away with it. They're gonna run away with it.

[Joe]

Depending on how the fouls are calling, depending on how many times I'm saying, if Shay gets to the line over 15 times. Okay, see, other than that, it may be the Spurs. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna say spurs even though I love Oklahoma City, though. Good. They show me, they show me great. They show me great time. But if I had to pick,

[Deebo]

you do. All right, all right, listen, we're gonna go, going over here to, to Pittsburgh. So the article says Mike McCarthy is already enraged at assistant coach. Who in the hell wrote this? Listen, bro, it says enraged. And the words that he said is, I don't know what the hell he's doing. I want you to listen to this. You tell me what is enraged about this. These click bait right now.

[Joe]

You know how that is crazy, bro.

[Football Analyst]

Listen, Yesterday, that the 55 touches and

[Joe]

completions is a big number for you. How did you come about that number?

[Football Analyst]

Is there like a Wimbledon percentage associated with that number? Well, I mean, it's. It used to be 53. I just think, as you know, his offenses have prevailed and with the rule changes over time, you know, I. I started off in, you know, 1993, working in game analysis, and that was a big part of my job as a young coach. So I've always stayed in touch with the numbers. They call it analytics now. But, you know, I think it's an important to use those guidelines to project goals. But it also, it helps keep you on a path for mindset of how you want to. How you want to call a game. There's no absolutes, but I think there's more to the 55. I've always believed in a complimentary football formula, you know, that comes with great defense. You know, obviously getting those touches to your perimeter players. The big one is obviously winning the, you know, the turnover ratio in time of possession. So those. Those are the things that, you know, when we get into the real football. Because right now we're in a teaching phase that's been really the emphasis for year one here to get everything taught schematically. We've been, you know, going at the last two weeks on situational football, but we'll get heavier into those types of conversations. I don't know what the hell Chin's doing giving that good information out so early. I'll have a talk with them.

[Joe]

Oh, my.

[Deebo]

You tell me. You tell me. You tell me. Tell me what you think, Joe, if

[Joe]

it's nothing going on, what the hell is he doing? He just gave the exact. He answered why. He said what he was saying about why it would be. It used to be 53, now it's 55. And went about and gave the exact reasons of what it is. This is just. If you want to say about. He already don't give a hell about what he's doing. Enraged with one assistant coaches. That is just to get people to read. To click onto your. To click on what you're talking about. You know what I'm saying? Because once you click in it and you see and read and listen to the answer and what he said, it's actually perfectly said. You know what I'm saying? You can see he's being funny at the end. He's being Sarcastic, you know what I'm saying? That's exactly. I think what happened right there. Yeah, yeah.

[Deebo]

You just got what they wanted. You just got baited into going head over there and looking at that and checking out and seeing, you know, what it was that you was or wasn't going on all that other good stuff. But what. Here's the thing. I understand what he's saying. So in the sense of him being like, okay, I don't understand why he giving out all that good information is he's just saying, like, the. The running back coach, what's his name? Romy Roman, send something. So that's why he said, chin. Chin Young. I think it's a black dude. Chin Young.

[Joe]

Go ahead.

[Deebo]

Anyway, let me get out here. That threw me off. Let me stop, man. Anyway, man, what it comes down to, man, is like, yo, he done got a position. He young into the game. As far as being a coach, I think this is actually his first actual position coach, like, actual true position thing. So he's trying to get these dudes an answer, man. He's trying to give them information, you know, but what you're doing is you're giving them a little bit too much information, because over time, they'll figure out what it is that they're doing. But you done went on ahead and gave it to them already without them even having to wait four games to get some type of tendencies and all that other stuff.

[Joe]

I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying 1,000%, Deebo. But in this specific instance, I feel like he's legitimately being sarcastic because he answered, no. I used to say it was 53. Now it's 55. And went on to name, you know, I'm saying some of his things that are just kind of the basics of his defense, you know what I'm saying? You got to win on the. The averages, like, just to go about all the stuff that he said.

[Deebo]

I'm not saying he's truly upset, but I'm saying, like, yeah, man, don't be giving out the good information. Yeah, like you said, as a. Not. I don't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't say it sarcastically. I would say it more as a. Just a little surprised you did it. It's not a big thing. But, yeah, don't give them. Don't give it to him. Make them have to earn it. Because a lot of these coaches out here won't sit there and look at everything that's going on. Like, you got going back and looking at what you did 20 years ago and in what position you did it with and what kind of players you had that was playing the same roles and positions. And he was going to make his moves from there. So some coaches don't do that. So I understand what he's saying, like, in that aspect. But again, I think it's like, yo, people give too much information. You want to know something? The easiest way to get a young dude to talk, easiest way to get a young dude be quiet and ask him a stupid question. Ask them stupid question. I call them stupid questions. So how do you feel about what they're doing with you, about how they're going to use you? And dudes start talking. Yeah, and they hold the mic there like this. Yo, they hold the mic there, and then when he stopped talking, they keep the mic there. And he feel like he got to keep going. So he started before he know it. He done told him about the trick played. That's that they. That they done made up. That ain't nobody supposed to even know or see.

[Joe]

No, no, I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. Only reason why I'm saying a little bit different about this man, McCarthy is because he's saying that he's answering, he's giving his jewels about the. What he does on defense, about, like, the winning on first downs. Like just some of his core values of what he thinks that he would want to do. So that's the only reason why. But I know what you're saying about when people just shut your mouth. You know what I'm saying? Like, less is more. They gotta make.

[Deebo]

Hey, man, less. Just give them. Give them what they. How do you feel?

[Joe]

You gotta study everything.

[Deebo]

They sit there and they just hold it. They just hold the thing. I'll be like, yeah, that's it. Nah, nah, I ain't giving no more than you asked for. You got. You want. You want all that information out of me, man, you better give me a decent, detailed question. And then on top of it, I may not even get it to you anyway. So it. It really don't matter. And that's another thing. Like McCarthy, he's. He's closing practices. These boys ain't gonna be sitting there watching practice every day. They ain't. They ain't gonna be open to. To seeing practice every day. That's something they used to. You do that.

[Joe]

I like it, though.

[Deebo]

I actually. Because I don't have this. I don't have all these reporters in here sitting here trying to write a Story that's going to fit their. Their. Their narrative for what it is they want to write and agree with. Hey, hey, listen. Yes, listen, Cleveland. Talk to your boy. Talk to your boy, monkey. Closing practices, they want to count reps and all that other. Don't give them nothing to count. Don't give them.

[Joe]

Every time I hear.

[Deebo]

I know y' all ain't gonna do that.

[Joe]

Every time we.

[Deebo]

That makes me talking about.

[Joe]

We're talking about the Steelers right now. Every time I. Every time I hear Mike McCarthy talk, though, he's talking ball. He's talking fundamentals. He's talking facts. He's talking real ball stuff. So I love every time I hear him talk.

[Deebo]

Yeah. Close the practices. Them boys ain't gonna be having access to every practice now, man. They about to lose their mind. You don't need to be there any day.

[Joe]

No, you don't need to be there in the camp. It's early. We trying stuff out, man. Let us get our feet wet.

[Deebo]

No question. Look here, man. The Browns D.C. okay. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Yes, sir. What we got?

[Deebo]

Browns D.C. attempts to clarify where things stands with Miles Garrett Rudenberg said new. That would be a question. I'm going to leave a lot of that interaction between me and Miles. He's just go. He's just go. He's just gonna leave it. Ain't doing nothing with it. He said it's voluntary, and we respect the voluntary aspect of it. And whatever team you're on. Your team. My daughter's softball team. Bro's daughter's softball team. You know, he really don't want to answer the question. I like that, though. That's called deflection.

[Joe]

Supposed to do, man. Be the way you want it to be.

[Deebo]

Love, love, love everybody to be around, but also understand that people have different things. Had great communication with different people, had great communication and execution for when everyone's here to put it together. To put it. Okay, so listen, Joe, he's saying everything's is great. It's good. I don't know if he's saying it's great and it's good, but I think he's saying that, you know what? I ain't giving y' all no information. You asked me a question, and I answer it how I want to. And that's how you do it. That man's a professional. Like, that's how you're supposed to do it. You know what I'm saying? Like, when it's a tough question and you can't get a real answer to him or you don't know what the real answer, you don't want to cause no more controversy, or you just don't want to give an answer. You redirect the question and you say what the hell it is you want to say. Hey, James, what's going on with Miles, man? I'm gonna tell you something, man. My girl softball team has something. I don't know. But anyway, it's great. We doing good guys here. Working. It's all great. Let's go.

[Joe]

What you do, Coach, is you control what you can control. You. There's a lot of other things that's going above your head with the general managers, with the head coaches that are worrying about what Miles got going on. Myles Garrett is under contract, and your job is to coach who is in that locker room. When you go out to those OTAs, the people on that field are the people that you need to be able to address. So when people are addressing, like Aaron Rodgers or you got contract dudes, Miles Garrett's. These guys that aren't coming to OTAs, they're in their second contracts. They might have money that they need to be there. Sometimes they just don't. It's like, all right, I'm up. Myles Garrett has posted pictures. Now he's in vacation with his girlfriend or his fiance. So that man have his time. He's not right now. He's off. He's chilling. OTAs are optional team activities. So you want to talk about this stuff every time. There's always players that are normal, higher up in their contracts that start to not go when they get to their seventh, eighth, ninth year, 10th year in the league. They just don't go to OTAs. And it's not a big deal, because now you're expecting when those dudes come to the mandatory things, that they're going to be ready to go and they're going to performing at the. At the high level, at the level they're expected to perform. They're going to learn the defense. They're not going to take long to get back on track. So that is what it is. Coaches, when he's talking about, you know, obviously you have to understand people are all in different situations, talking about, like, his youth, his daughter's youth team. Like, sometimes people got trips, people got stuff going on. He's just trying to make it his own little thing to just say, like, obviously, we want every player to be here, but certain players have certain different things going on. Other things that they're going to be, other things that they're going to be doing. But when they get here, my job is to coach the players that are here. So we're going to welcome Myles Garrett here with open arms when he gets here because he is a amazing player. So it's like, you know, all these answers too may get back to Myles Garrett. You don't want to be talking crazy about your player that you expect when he gets back. You know what I'm saying? You want it to be welcome, open arms. Myles Garrett, when you come, you're the defensive player of the year. You had 23 sacks. We expect you to be a leader and to be performing once you get on the field. Because when you're not here, it is what it is. We want you to be here, but you're not. So I think that's kind of what the coach. You don't really, it's a slippery slope. You don't have too much to really say, so you could just spin it how you want to. You don't have control of what Miles is doing. You, you would love him to be there, but he's not. So you gonna do your job is to coach the players that you have.

[Deebo]

Well, Joe, you know me. I gotta think. Yes, you know, and I gotta think outside the box for me. Joe, I hate to say this, but it is voluntary.

[Joe]

It is. And voluntary seems to me mandatory.

[Deebo]

Listen, involuntary means exactly what it says. But showing you got a million dollar

[Joe]

how you

[Deebo]

don't you. It's my turn.

[Joe]

Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead, Debo, go ahead.

[Deebo]

Well, listen, Joe, when you got a million dollar incentive to just show up and be present at the off season workout program for only 85% and you only there what, three, sometimes four days a week. So I find it, I find it hard to, to rhyme and reason that, but I ain't never made 40, 45 million dollars a year. So I don't know if I would care about an extra minute if I don't get my time the way I want. You understand? So.

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[Deebo]

As they said, they do have Mentor manicamp that starts 6-9-10. Something like that.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Deebo]

Right. Okay, so if he doesn't show up for that now that's when it starts to get tricky. Now we can start talking. Start talking, right? It gets tricky. Get tricky. Now we got, now we got some. We got some fuel, right? We go agree on that, right? Okay. So now with that being said, I think this could be a situation where, you know, he wanted to leave last year. He wanted to get out of there, he wanted to have opportunity to win, but they gave him the bag and they made him the highest paid non quarterback in NFL. But since then, Joe been about two, three, four, five guys that done got more. He's no longer the highest paid. So maybe it's a situation where especially when you take into account the $30 million restructure right there where he said, hey, I don't want it just yet. Let me move it on back for y'.

[Cindy Crawford]

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[Deebo]

And, and them moving it back or him allowing them to move it back, it allows them after the June 1st to take that pro and, and separate that thing into 26 and 27. So they could break that down over multiple years instead of just having to come out in one year. Joe. Which means it gives more chances of opportunities for them to get a trade and make a trade. Even though I believe he got a. No, no trade calls in this, but that no trade clause means you got to send me where I want to go. I understand what he's doing. It makes sense to me right now, Joe. It makes all perfect sense. He know he ain't gonna be there June 1st. What I need to go there and learn and do anything for? That's why minicamps start June 9. He ain't gonna never get a chance to see or go there. Joe. He gonna be done, got that trade, got that deal and be over somewhere else where it is that he want to be. And he gonna be over there with they voluntary workouts as soon as they get that trade done at the June

[Joe]

1, Joe, he go, Hey, I hear you. Okay, that could be a possibility. That could be a possibility. And we would need to be getting. We would need to be getting three first round picks.

[Deebo]

I'm just telling you, I. I'm just.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe, I'm just telling you, I think I gotta. I think I gotta play Debo. So look, I'm expecting with Miles, he's gonna come during the mandatory minicamp. I'm expecting Miles to be there. I'm hoping that Miles is there. We're saying that if Miles is not there, I got a scenario that if he doesn't and it's for, for him, for, for him to be Gone. Okay. It's a three team trade. Three teams. Who the three teams is the Eagles, the Patriots and the Browns. Okay.

[Deebo]

The Eagles, the Patriots and the Brown. Who getting who?

[Joe]

The Eagles have to give up A.J. brown and the first round pick. 2028 first round pick.

[Deebo]

Okay.

[Joe]

They get Miles Garrett. He would be happy to go there because he wants to go to a contender. You know what I'm saying? Solid, good, solid team. The Patriots would get. They would have to give up the 2027 and the 2028 first round pick, and they get AJ Brown, and then the Browns would give up Myles Garrett and they would get three first round picks. They would get the 20. They would get the 2028 first round pick from the Eagles, they would get the 2027 first round pick from the Patriots and their 2028 first round pick. So they would get three first round picks. The Patriots get A.J. brown, the Eagles get Myles Garrett and the Browns get three first round picks. That is my thing. Everybody's dysfunctional. Everybody's happy. Miles is happy. A.J. brown is happy. The Patriots are happy. The Browns get three first round picks. The Browns are happy. I like that. I like that. Three first round picks, Miles Garrett to the Eagles, A.J. brown to the Patriots, Browns. Three first round picks, and they already and the Browns got a 2027 first round pick already and a 2028 first round pick. So they would be sitting there with two in 2027 and two in 2028, but that'd be three in 2028. That's not a bad deal. Everybody's geeked. Deebo, you know, that doesn't sound crazy at all. I think that'd be good for the Browns because if we don't get rid of Miles. I didn't. I said my first thing. If we keep Miles, I'm loving the trajectory that we're going. We got Miles. We can get more pieces. But if we did have to get rid of him and. And get compensation, three first round picks for Miles Garrett right now I think would be great for all three teams. We'd be sitting there. Hell yeah.

[Deebo]

Three first round picks.

[Joe]

Why are you mad at the Browns? Who. Who's not happy in the deal? Maybe. Maybe the Eagles because they're giving up A.J. brown, but no, A.J. brown and A.J. brown and one first round pick for Miles Garrett. I like that. For the Eagles, for the Patriots. The only the Patriots is giving up two, the Patriots is giving up two, and they get an A.J. brown. So that's the one where they might be looking like it's AJ But I'm not mad at that at all. That's good. A.J. brown for two first rounds. You getting a solid instant starter wide receiver for the Patriots for Drake May. He's nice, and you need to get. You can get him a dog and good coaching, you know what I'm saying? You feel like you get him around a better system. They feel like they can handle AJ Brown better in New England. I.

[Deebo]

Well, they had him in that.

[Joe]

He had him in Tennessee. That's his man.

[Deebo]

Yeah, he had him in Tennessee.

[Joe]

And now I got you over here. We right next to the ship. Drake May dropping dimes over here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm loving it. But that's just if we end up. End up if Miles leaves. If Miles stays, keep Miles. That's the first. First things first. Keep Miles, keep. If we don't keep mouth.

[Deebo]

Who told you about this trade, Joe? Somebody told you something, Joe?

[Joe]

Nobody. Nobody told me nothing. I just been looking around, trying to figure out who's. Who's feeling crazy.

[Deebo]

Yeah, looking around. That's probably why you was drinking so heavy. Cleveland lost, and y' all know y' all about to lose mine.

[Joe]

No, no, we ain't gonna lose Miles. Miles is chilling. I was just chilling, but I just wanted to say, like, if I was looking around, if I was looking around if I was looking around if.

[Deebo]

If. And I was.

[Joe]

This is what it would look like. Look around and think of something that somebody might be thinking about. This might be something to think about. That's all I was saying, man.

[Deebo]

Look, we got breaking news. It says Adam Schofner. He said Steelers and senior assistant special teams coach Darius Swinton have parted ways due to violation of club per league sources. What happened there? He didn't even get a year in, did he? Like he got what? I don't know, bro, Is.

[Joe]

Hold on. But did Mike McCarthy not bring him in? Oh, he just. Okay. That's okay. There we go.

[Deebo]

Brand new, bruh. Bro. A couple what, month? 2, 2, 3 months at the most.

[Joe]

Man. Listen. Each might have been trying to Raiders

[Deebo]

for the last three seasons.

[Joe]

Who know? He what he either was. He either was trying to do his own thing and Martin McCarthy wasn't rocking with it, or he got caught up in the south side.

[Deebo]

Stop it, Joe. Stop it, Joe. Joe, stop it. Joe. Joe, we ain't stopping. Joe. Look, Joe, leave it alone, bruh. Leave the south side alone, bruh.

[Joe]

Hey, Debo. I'm just saying it's something. It just got to be football. Football where him and my Joe, you know Something.

[Deebo]

I don't know, Joe.

[Joe]

I know nothing. My name Bennett. I ain't in it. I'm just trying to say I don't know what's going on. He just signed to the team during the off season. It's only been off season things going on. So unless you are not communicating with your coach and y' all just.

[Deebo]

What's the policy? You done messed up already.

[Joe]

That's what I'm saying. Conduct detrimental. What kind of stuff are you doing right now? It's the off season. Like, unless you're not. Unless you're coming in there with the coach, and y' all are literally not seeing eye to eye.

[Deebo]

No, I'm not gonna go into that because it could get real messy, and I don't want to get messy.

[Joe]

I'm not trying to get messy either. All I'm trying to tell you.

[Deebo]

Yeah, I don't want to know. I don't want to know. I get.

[Joe]

I got.

[Deebo]

Joe, I got information that I don't want to know, that I know. I know, and I just wish I didn't know it.

[Joe]

See, that's why I can say what I want to say, because I don't know nothing. I'm just literally saying. I'm just saying from when I hear this off the top of my head,

[Deebo]

oh, you got information, you know what you say? You got information. You know what you rocking with owners and all that. You got information, you know, you get rings, all that. See that? Information, you know.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. If you ask me a question, you ain't.

[Deebo]

You ain't step. You ain't step a foot on the court, but you got you a ring, ain't you?

[Joe]

I had a bunch of feet on the court. What you talking about, dude?

[Deebo]

Feet on the court side. Do not.

[Joe]

That's the same court. Look

[Deebo]

where the.

[Joe]

Do you see this? This is actual support from the stadium. Dan Gilbert sent us certified

[Commercial Voice]

port.

[Joe]

Actual court from the game. Do you know what I'm saying? So I'm literally in it. Look at this. Look at this box. Debo. This ain't. This ain't no play play box. This is real land. Real. Real feet on wood.

[Deebo]

And you ain't really have. Not nappy in that pot. Huh? You ain't had nan pee in that. You ain't do nothing but sit there yelling.

[Joe]

You're right.

[Deebo]

Screaming.

[Joe]

You're right. You're right.

[Deebo]

In a seat, and you ain't do nothing for that. All you did was sit there and drink in excess, enjoy Cause they won and then did nothing. You did nothing. You're sitting there with that.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe, is this the same talk that's the problem?

[Deebo]

That's the problem nowadays, everybody.

[Joe]

Is this the same that you give to the Steelers fans? Is this the same talk you give to the Steelers fans that come and celebrate the parade with you? Is this the same talk that you give to them?

[Deebo]

They don't get a ring, Joe.

[Joe]

The same talk that you give to them, though, even. They don't worry about my. Don't worry about my ring. Don't worry about it. Even if my. Even if they were to get a ring, you would still be so you

[Deebo]

were talking with your hands.

[Joe]

What about the stadium? What about. What about the people that work inside Hines Field? If they put blood,

[Deebo]

they was cleaning, people be okay with you. Was just sitting there. You'd be okay with that Making them.

[Joe]

Would you be okay with that?

[Deebo]

Serving you?

[Joe]

Would you be okay with that? Would you be okay with them getting the ring that worked inside? Yes. Okay.

[Deebo]

All right.

[Joe]

That's all I need to know.

[Deebo]

Game in and game out. Not sitting there yelling and screaming, hooping and hollering, drinking. You ain't even putting in no time. You ain't there. You ain't there.

[Joe]

You know what? I will accept.

[Deebo]

You ain't there when the crowd isn't

[Joe]

there, you ain't there when the people

[Deebo]

and the fans ain't there. They there cleaning up every day. Every day. When ain't nobody there. When people there, when it don't. They don't need eyes on them. You want to be there when the show was going, I was there.

[Joe]

When we were losing games and there was no. There was no game, there was nobody there. There was no. It wasn't. It wasn't all the way full. Me and I was. I was there.

[Deebo]

Oh, everybody. Everybody was there. Everybody was there. Joe. What about the other people that was there? What about the people? Like, they didn't get it. They didn't get a. They didn't get a. Come on, Joe. They didn't get a ring. Why didn't get a ring? I can understand you work as a ring.

[Football Analyst]

Why?

[Deebo]

Because they work. They're part of. That's. That's part of. That's part of what helped us grow. That's part of what helped the whole. The whole.

[Joe]

The whole organization. As though I was. I basically worked in there. I basically worked in there. I basically worked in there up to.

[Deebo]

Up to the head men, everybody.

[Joe]

I was in there every game. Every home game. I was in there every home game.

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[Deebo]

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[Joe]

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[Deebo]

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[Deebo]

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[Football Analyst]

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[Deebo]

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[Joe]

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[Deebo]

So tasty. Hands off us.

[Football Analyst]

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