Nightcap Hour 3: Oleksandr Usyk avoids upset to Verhoeven with 11th round stoppage + Home Robberies

Summary

Nightcap Hour 3: Usyk vs. Verhoeven, Home Robberies & More

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”) and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (“Ocho”)
Date: May 24, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this late-night installment of Nightcap, Shannon Sharpe, Chad “OchoCinco” Johnson, and “ISO” Joe Johnson chop it up on the night’s sports headlines and life off the field.
Centered on Oleksandr Usyk’s gutsy and controversial win over Rico Verhoeven in Egypt, the conversation moves seamlessly to real issues like high-profile athlete home robberies and old-school NFL and NBA tales. Lively Q&A, banter about the Knicks’ playoff run, and reflections on lessons learned sprinkle the episode with wisdom, laughter, and authenticity.

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Key Segments & Takeaways

1. Usyk vs. Verhoeven: Fight Recap & Reactions

[02:31 – 07:11]

• Fight Breakdown:
  Usyk survives a huge scare, stopping Verhoeven with a dramatic 11th-round TKO in front of the Pyramids of Giza.
  The fight was tied on two judges’ scorecards (95-95), making the stoppage even more controversial.
  Referee steps in as Verhoeven is battered against the ropes just as the round ends.

• Fighter Mentality & Safety:

  • Ocho reflects: “Most of the time you want to go out on your shield… but sometimes a referee… or your own corner gotta save a fighter from himself from getting unnecessary damage.” ([03:44])
  • Sharpe draws out the reality of exhaustion: “Fatigue makes a coward of us all… Boy, I went down ‘cause I couldn’t hold my arms up no more. My mind tellin’ me what to do… I can’t even move.” ([04:46])

• NFL/Others Can’t Hang:
  They joke about NFL players (like Greg Hardy) trying MMA and boxing:
  “Please. There’s not one NFL player right now [who could just jump in]. Ask Greg Hardy.” ([05:30])

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2. Athlete Crossovers & Sports Trivia

[06:12 – 08:56]

• Banter about former athletes dabbling in MMA or boxing (Greg Hardy, Herschel Walker, Johnny Moore, etc.).
• Ocho and company recount football practice fights and personalities (Albert Haynesworth’s career and weight loss).

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3. NBA Playoffs: Knicks, Cavs, Thunder & More

[13:14 – 16:44]

• Knicks Title Talk:
  “Braun’d be the perfect fit on the Knicks… especially if they got Giannis. God dang, bro. We ain’t got enough!” ([13:14])
  “We ain’t playin’ NBA 2K… They say the Knicks—LeBron and Giannis—Come on, man, damn!” ([13:25–13:28])

• Playoff Weaknesses Exposed:
  “Once you get to the playoffs, whatever your weakness is, gets exposed to the umpteenth degree.” ([14:44], Sharpe)

• Brunson Praise:
  “Brunson, best guard in the East.”
  “He the only one left, hands down right now.” ([15:11–15:16], Ocho)

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4. Home Robberies: Athlete Stories & Lessons

[27:53 – 36:44]

• Ocho’s Jersey Heist:
  Ocho tells how, during his time in Phoenix, his house was burglarized and his massive duffel of throwback jerseys was stolen:
  “Man, my house got broken into in Phoenix and they took all my jerseys, bro.” ([28:09])

• Sharpe Robbed in LA:

  • “They got me in 2023… Took all my watches that violated, man. Some of these watches I’d had since I was 35.” ([30:20])
  • He recalls buying his first luxury watch: “I got in there, bought me a nice Jacob… They took my Jacob watch and everything.” ([31:13])

• How Thieves Operate:
  Sharpe analyzes:

  • “If you know an athlete live there, you know when he plays… they breaking in houses… and it's somebody gotta know somebody…” ([28:25–28:32])
  • “For everything they make to protect you, there’s always something to counter it.” ([29:07])
  • “I got three to four minutes, five minutes before the police get here.” ([29:16])

• On Feeling Violated:
  Ocho: “You talkin' about feeling violated, bro… It was the day before Thanksgiving, my mama was in town… I turned right around, they’d ransacked my whole crib.” ([29:38])

• Trust Issues Post-Burglary:
  Sharpe: “I don’t keep no money in the house now… I don’t even let my kids bring their friends over to my house. The only people been to my house: Jordan, Nash, and my sister… You live and learn.” ([36:35])

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5. Dogs, Security & Vintage Collections

[20:20 – 26:15]

• Ocho and Sharpe debate best dog breeds for protection (Connie Corso, Rottweiler, German Shepherd, Bull Mastiff).
• Stories about hunting dogs in the family, their personalities, and why dogs are crucial for security:
  “Burglars don’t wanna deal with no dogs… cause that mean you gonna have to fire off… and give yourself away.” ([33:02–33:13])
• Ocho laments losing his jersey collection; discussion about vintage gear, throwbacks, and how collecting became a passion.

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6. Playoff Viewing Habits

[41:24 – 47:03]

• How each host watches big games:

  • Ocho: “I be sittin’ right here on my damn couch.” ([41:32])
  • Sharpe: “I watch the first half at the cigar bar. I’m home for the second half.”
  • Sharpe values quiet: “I’m the most outgoing introvert… I can’t watch a game with sound, let alone in a sports bar… I’m trying to see why something works or doesn’t.” ([45:09], [45:19])

• Who they let into their homes for games: “If you ain’t going for the team I’m going for, you NOT coming.” ([46:39])

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7. More NBA Playoff Analysis

[48:10 – 54:07]

• Dwyane Wade vs. James Harden:
  Ocho: “Wade’s probably the top two defender and shot blocker at the two-guard spot… He might be the best ever.” ([47:54]) Sharpe: “They just look at D. Wade’s last couple of years, don’t realize… first ten years, hell on wheels.” ([48:38])

• Cavs/NBA Roster Moves:
  Sharpe: “Well, you kinda stuck with Mitchell and Harden… you might be able to trade Allen.” ([49:40])
  Ocho: “You gotta go find a nice small forward… gotta go tweak it to help Donovan Mitchell.” ([49:28–49:40])

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8. NFL Stories & Reflections

[54:26 – 58:15]

• Sharpe breaks down his 1994 AFC Championship matchup vs. the Chargers, listing stats and big moments:
  “‘I dropped six for a buck 22 and a tub on ‘em’… cooking every year.” ([56:41], [57:30])
• Ocho and Sharpe trade playful jabs about who would win on the field.

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9. Remembering Sean Taylor

[60:49 – 62:40]

• Ocho and Sharpe recall the late Sean Taylor’s legendary athletic prowess and lasting legacy:
  Ocho: “Sean Taylor… his name was ringing bells since Pop Warner… made an impact so early, still regarded as one of the best, and he didn’t even play long.” ([60:49–61:36])
  Sharpe: “No big dude like that… ball hawk… when he came, he had bad intentions every time.” ([61:41–61:49])

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Notable Quotes

• On the Usyk-Verhoeven fight:
  “You want to go out on your shield, Joe. But… sometimes a referee or your damn corner need to save a fighter from himself…”
  — Ocho ([03:44])

• On home invasions:
  “Everything they make to protect you, there’s always something to counter it… I got 3 to 4 minutes before the police get here…”
  — Sharpe ([29:07], [29:16])

• On losing irreplaceable items:
  “Some of these watches, I’d had since I was 35 years… it hurts so bad, Joe. It hurts so, so, so bad.”
  — Sharpe ([30:39])

• On being careful after the experience:
  “After that, I don’t keep no money in the house… can’t trust nobody, Ocho.”
  — Sharpe ([36:29], [36:32])

• On Dwyane Wade’s defense:
  “Wade is probably top two defenders and shot blocking from the two-guard spot… the only person probably in front of him is probably Jordan.”
  — Ocho ([47:54])

• On Sean Taylor:
  “He made such an impact so early, which is why he’s still regarded as one of the best. And he didn’t even play long.”
  — Ocho ([61:36])

• On who they let watch games:
  “If you ain’t going for the team I’m going for, you not coming… you not coming, man!”
  — Sharpe ([46:39])

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Episode Flow

• The conversation jumps from a dramatic boxing finish, to lessons about personal safety, to heated and humorous sports debates.
• Nightcap's candid, at-times vulnerable stories from the hosts about break-ins, trust, and growing up in sports set a grounded tone beneath the quick-witted banter and in-depth sports takes.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Usyk vs. Verhoeven Fight Recap: [02:31 – 07:11]
• NBA Playoff Analysis: [13:14 – 16:44], [48:10 – 54:07]
• Home Robberies Stories: [27:53 – 36:44]
• Vintage Collecting & Dogs: [20:20 – 26:15]
• NFL Player Stories: [54:26 – 58:15]
• Remembering Sean Taylor: [60:49 – 62:40]

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Closing Thoughts

This episode reflects why Nightcap resonates: Unfiltered sports commentary mixed with real-life lessons and brotherly wisdom. Whether you care about Usyk, NBA playoff chess, vintage jerseys, or simply living smarter, Unc, Ocho, and ISO keep it authentic, funny, and thought-provoking.

Transcript

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[Seco Johnson]

Yeah. What'd you think at times like this? I know, I know fighters, you know the mentality that they have, whether it's mma, whether it's boxing. Well, hell, whether it's combat sports in general.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Seco Johnson]

Most of the time you want to go out on this, on your shield.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Seco Johnson]

You want to go out on your shield, Joe. But in this case, sometime a referee or sometime you got damn corner need to save a fighter from himself and getting unnecessary damage. I watched the clips. Obviously I wasn't able to watch the fight because I was playing basketball today, but based on what I saw, where he wasn't able to protect himself after going down, you get back to your feet and you, you. You have a barrage of punches and you getting hit with almost everything, somebody got to protect you from yourself. I. I understand that. And people that are saying, well, obviously it was a good opponent. Usyk, he gave him. He gave him somewhat of a challenge. But in them deep waters, in them championship rounds, if you're not able to protect yourself and fight back, you got, you got. You got to step in there. You got to step in there.

[Joe Johnson]

Take your time, bro. Hey, take your time. I mean, he got up quick. You know something? Hey, get yourself together. Yeah. Don't rush back in there. Tie him up. Yeah, but you know, when you get tired of your ass, that sounds good to you and I. Cause we're not tired. Tie him up. Tie him up. But when you tired.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. That fatigue makes a coward of a Zoe.

[Seco Johnson]

Yes, it does. A Joe in that ring, Joe, I can only imagine. Boy, Joe, I went down because I couldn't hold my arms up no more, Joe. I. I couldn't. My mind is telling me what to do. Yeah, see the punch winding up from a mile away. Joe. I can't even move. I can't move.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn, that's a bad feeling.

[Ocho]

Hey, that. Hey, look, that Boxing that MMA fight and all that ain't. That ain't nothing to be playing with, bro. Hell no. Like you thinking. You thinking, oh, man, I'm gonna jump in here because I'm this hell of an athlete, this man.

[Seco Johnson]

Please. There's not one NFL player right now.

[Joe Johnson]

Ask Greg Hardy.

[Seco Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

That's him.

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah, isn't that one?

[Ocho]

Hold on, hold on. He played for the Panthers, didn't he?

[Joe Johnson]

He sure did. He was a real deal.

[Ocho]

He came. I think he came to the Cowboys for a minute.

[Seco Johnson]

He was with the Cowboys, too?

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What happened. What happened to Greg Harden?

[Joe Johnson]

He got tried mma. He done tried at all.

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah, he had a few MMA fights

[Ocho]

and boxing, they got out on him.

[Joe Johnson]

He got. First of all, he got asthma. The last thing you need to do is something that gonna have that asthma flare up. Man, look here.

[Seco Johnson]

He started off good though, when he first started. Yeah, he started off good, you know,

[Joe Johnson]

they gave him a tomato can, had him feeling good. They put him in some real competition, got his ass toe slam up.

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah, I see. I've seen you fighting. I've seen you fighting Vegas.

[Joe Johnson]

What you call him? Johnny Moore did mma.

[Seco Johnson]

Oh, hey, Johnny, he got big as hell, huh? Remember how big Johnny had got?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, Johnny was full, right, Westbrook.

[Seco Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Hey, Mike could fight, though, huh, Bill? Yeah, he might fight.

[Ocho]

Hey, hold on. Didn't I see. Didn't I see Herschel Walker or something and some. Yeah, what happened?

[Joe Johnson]

Man, he won. That dude, man, don't get me started talking about that, man. But, no, but Westbrook, man, that big cut up dude. Man, what Joe you talking about? Cut up? Yeah, like six, fold, like 220. Hey, I'm talking about ain't an ounce of fat oni.

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah, Mike was funny.

[Ocho]

Boy, what are you doing in ring?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, he, he, he. His knees were bad, but now he won. He made quick work.

[Seco Johnson]

No, hey, you know, Westbrook played with me in Cincinnati one year. I don't know. Yeah, I don't remember what year it was, but he was in, okay?

[Joe Johnson]

Real. He got drafted like a top five

[Seco Johnson]

pick to Washington with Redskins. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry, my bad, my bad.

[Joe Johnson]

No, you good. He just couldn't. He couldn't stay healthy,

[Ocho]

man.

[Joe Johnson]

Westbrook. You remember that fight Westbrook got in

[Seco Johnson]

in Washington when he hit dude in the stretch line? Yeah, I remember that.

[Joe Johnson]

He was on the sideline in practice, so he called me that again. I remember that, man, Brooke like that, man. I'm telling you. See, y', all, people don't understand. Y' all call people out of their name and because they might have an alternative lifestyle. You got to realize that's still a man. Yeah, okay. Y' all let the bag got the way he. Oh, you say okay, now. How that look? Yeah, sassy dude. Lump your ass up.

[Seco Johnson]

Hey, you know who I seen tonight too?

[Joe Johnson]

Who?

[Seco Johnson]

From Tennessee. Must be Albert Haynesburg was here. I seen Albert. Yeah, big boy. Hey, hey. He like to see him play. He not. He lost all.

[Joe Johnson]

He lost the weight though. He. Yeah, I think he had. He had. Yeah, he had an illness or something. He was. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Seco Johnson]

But I seen old Albert tonight.

[Ocho]

Man.

[Seco Johnson]

That was dope.

[Joe Johnson]

I interviewed him with Tennessee.

[Seco Johnson]

Oh, Al. And he was the first hundred million dollar D tackle, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

No, he might have been the first hundred million dollar defensive player. Period.

[Seco Johnson]

Period.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

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All right, it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A N. Let's. Let's keep going.

[Seco Johnson]

Hey, add one more segment. Hey Joe, my flight at 5 o'.

[Joe Johnson]

Clock.

[Seco Johnson]

I'm trying to kill as much time as possible so I can. We can finish, not go straight to there.

[Joe Johnson]

You on what you call them? You on Central time.

[Seco Johnson]

It's 12:41. Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, Tennessee is on what you call them. I thought Tennessee would be on what you call them. Central time.

[Seco Johnson]

The flight. The flight to get here was an hour and 30 minutes from Miami.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, okay.

[Seco Johnson]

I'm going from here to Charlotte.

[Joe Johnson]

Was it Charlotte? Oh, you going for that soccer.

[Seco Johnson]

The TST tournament? Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. Braun would be the perfect fit on the Knicks, especially if they got Giannis. God dang, bro. We ain't got enough.

[Seco Johnson]

Hey, man, we ain't playing NBA 2K.

[Ocho]

They say the Knicks.

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah, LeBron and Giannis.

[Ocho]

Come on, man. Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

The Knicks are winning the title. Get over it. My condolences to lafroud James and the late fakers, but less best. Better luck next time, next lifetime. Nixon 4. Okay. East Coast KF.

[Ocho]

They got a good chance, though. They got a good chance. I, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't saying they gonna win it.

[Joe Johnson]

I think they got a better chance if they play the Spurs. They not beating okc.

[Seco Johnson]

Damn.

[Ocho]

Hold on. You think they got a better chance that they play the Spurs?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I don't know.

[Joe Johnson]

You think they got a better chance to beat the Thunder?

[Ocho]

No, I think it's going to be hard to beat any one of them.

[Joe Johnson]

I do. But I, I, I'm saying I think they got a better chance. I ain't say nothing about winning.

[Ocho]

Yeah, Okay. I just.

[Joe Johnson]

They.

[Ocho]

Damn. Wimby.

[Joe Johnson]

Why, why are we surprised the Cavs don't have any perimeter defenders?

[Ocho]

We're not, we really not, because they

[Joe Johnson]

hadn't had any all year, but they, and they've been able to get by. And the problem is that once you get to the playoffs, whatever your weakness, it gets exposed to the umpteenth degree.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Joe Johnson]

So you go back and look at the teams that have lost, you can go back and says, okay, this is why they lost. This was an issue in, in, in, in the regular season, but they were over able to overcome it. Teams don't let you overcome your flaws in the postseason.

[Ocho]

Nah. The playoffs is built to expose you, whatever your weaknesses. Are we gonna expose them damn weaknesses and y' all can't. Guard, guess what? We coming at you every play.

[Joe Johnson]

Bing Bong Brunson. Best guard in the East. Yeah.

[Ocho]

He the only one left, hands down. Right now, he the best guard in the east for sure.

[Joe Johnson]

Hate Detroit. Couldn't get it done. Felt like they were better. Matchup for New York. And if Harden can't win with Mitchell, who can he win with at this point? Is it really worth $40 million a year? Sad game.

[Ocho]

Well, I mean, whatever.

[Seco Johnson]

He gonna get it somewhere. Huncho.

[Ocho]

Yeah. I don't see with Cleveland giving up Darius Garland. You can't give up James Harden. You can't let him walk. You got, you got to resign, and you got to bring it back. Yeah, you got to bring him back. Because if that's the case, then you, like Garland go for nothing, right?

[Joe Johnson]

You're right. I don't. I don't know. Because he had a Chris Paul, and when Chris Paul heard his hamstring against okc. Excuse me.

[Ocho]

Against Golden State Warriors. Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, he had Russ. He had Dwight Howard. I just. It just. It gets hard. Excuse me. It gets harder as you get older to win a championship.

[Ocho]

And, man, listen, it just does. And all the great needs.

[Joe Johnson]

He needs the ball.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. And I think what we have to understand from a fan's perspective, bro, all the great ones, they not gonna win a title, bro. That's just, though.

[Joe Johnson]

No.

[Ocho]

Everybody ain't gonna win no damn championship.

[Joe Johnson]

And they shouldn't. Because if every great player won a championship, what's the value in a championship?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, sometime the ugly dude got to get the pretty girl, too. Damn. Somebody. Somebody got to get taken to the dance. Y'. All. Y' all just want. Y' all just want all the great players. Somebody got to take the ugly person to the dance.

[Ocho]

Right? Right.

[Joe Johnson]

It is what it is. Ojo needs to write a karma sutra book for all the advice he gives out. He's right about one thing. Looks like the Knicks are going to win it. That Laporte is fire Tricep and still appreciate that filthy McNasty.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man. Ocho out there giving false information got people out there getting. Getting popped, and he ain't did none of that. Hold on, hold on.

[Seco Johnson]

When I gave off false information bad.

[Joe Johnson]

You ought to talk about Joey. That is Strap got this. Strap, dude. Yeah, Ocho, I got that. I got pegged myself.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Seco Johnson]

Oh, hey, listen, all I was trying to do was raise the quality of the relationship that y' all are in. I didn't say I did it. I was just giving you advice on what you should try.

[Ocho]

Well, no, how you gonna. How you gonna get some advice on something you ain't.

[Joe Johnson]

You.

[Ocho]

You don't do your damn self.

[Seco Johnson]

Well, the hell. How the hell therapists give advice and ain't in your goddamn relationship? It's the same. They ain't going through it. So if they qualified, I'm qualified to spice up what you got going on.

[Ocho]

Nah, nah, I'm good.

[Joe Johnson]

I think you should. The first of all, you should be a life coach. A life coach is somebody that doesn't necessarily have to be trained.

[Seco Johnson]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh. They don't have to be clinically trained. They don't have to be school trained. They just based on life lessons or things that they've experienced and they can tell you so forth and so on. But as a psychologist, you need to be. You need to be trained. Giving out some information.

[Seco Johnson]

Hey, I mean, I'm trained in that area. Just not. Not. Not that specific thing. Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Bad looking. Because they'll be listening to Ocho, y'. All.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I know.

[Seco Johnson]

Hey, but you should try.

[Joe Johnson]

Love to show that cat crew there, the YouTuber I love to see you collab with. His name is. What is it? What is it? Chisel Adonis. Dope, dude. Very funny, huh? Yeah, I've never heard him, bro, but I'm gonna take your word for it. I recall 35 year old ISO who froze time attack. Dropped a mean demonstration at the buzzer versus UT So hype he had to reload the scunion. Pine Bluff, Arkansas.

[Ocho]

What he saying? What he said? He. Remember what he said?

[Joe Johnson]

You dropped. You turned back. You froze the hands of time. And Tack dropped a mean demonstration at the buzzer on Utah.

[Ocho]

Oh, when I was in Utah, When I was playing in Utah, we played against the Clippers. I think I was 35 then. Yeah, I was about 35. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we broke up Live City, man. We. We broke all that up, man. Me, me, the Clippers. Yeah, me, a couple of my homeboys down there in Utah.

[Joe Johnson]

A couple Mormons.

[Ocho]

Yeah, we broke it up.

[Seco Johnson]

DeAndre, Aiden, Blake, Griffin, them boys.

[Joe Johnson]

You mean

[Ocho]

DeAndre C.P.

[Seco Johnson]

y' all beat them, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we. We got him out. Jamal Crawford was on that team. We got them boys up out of there.

[Seco Johnson]

Hey, but, hey, they got that Jamal Crawford in that ball. Boy. That thing be on the.

[Ocho]

Yo, yo, boy, be nice. He's sick with Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Big Mike said, cleveland, this L is for you. Hey, that's a good one. Hey, what's up, fam? Can I get a special shout out to my ways, my amazing wife, Mariah. We celebrate two years married tomorrow. Also start, bench, cut. German shepherd, Rottweiler Connie Corso. Mariah, happy two year wedding anniversary. Congratulations on making it two years. Two years of a lifetime to go. Congratulations, guys. All right, Joe. Start, bench, cut. German shepherd, Rottweiler Connie Corso.

[Seco Johnson]

I would assume the shepherd is first, right?

[Ocho]

No, I'm starting to. I'm starting Connie Corso in the rockwaller. I'm the German shepherd.

[Joe Johnson]

He. Yeah, you get bench.

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah, y'. All. Y' all tripping.

[Joe Johnson]

No, he getting cut. Yeah, he getting good. Joker. Smart.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they are smart. They still.

[Seco Johnson]

Which is why I was hoping y' all were gonna pick the German shepherd first.

[Ocho]

I like. I like the master breed, bro. I like I like corsos presses the bubbles I like I like masters.

[Seco Johnson]

Right well I'm based on based on woolies.

[Ocho]

Yeah

[Joe Johnson]

yeah. I like bullies. No, no, no, no, no. Not no pit bull bull mastiffs.

[Seco Johnson]

Oh bull mastiffs. Okay, okay okay.

[Joe Johnson]

No I don't do the pit bulls. I don't do no red nose blue. No, no, no.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Seco Johnson]

Okay. I got you

[Joe Johnson]

Maybe I get some maybe I get some if I get me a farm I'm trying to think

[Seco Johnson]

ah you say you were getting some

[Joe Johnson]

ghosts I got to have something to

[Seco Johnson]

ain't nobody you know what's gonna ain't

[Ocho]

no now get you get you another

[Joe Johnson]

boxes mountain lions yeah okay get you

[Ocho]

another boreble bro that you be good you Titus could probably take care by itself here, man.

[Joe Johnson]

I grew up my grandfather had well he had just gotten rid of but my uncles James and Thurman had hunting dogs had uh, had blue ticks, black and tans and red bone. That's where the term came from when they're describing women. It came from a dog red bone

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[Seco Johnson]

Mm, yeah.

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[Joe Johnson]

Real yeah, it absolutely does, Adam.

[Seco Johnson]

Hunting dogs like that, they be smaller, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Because they got to run. They got to go.

[Seco Johnson]

Great. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Okay, okay, okay. What you talking about? Like them pointers?

[Joe Johnson]

Well, pointers are like that. They're bird dogs, like a red bone blue tick, black and tan bloodhounds.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Tree and walker. Those are dogs that used to hunt like coon and things like that. Yeah, you put them on the scent and that blue Tick. That blue tick has that distinctive. I mean, when he sit down on something.

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

When you hear him going to put your clothes on and get your gun. When that joker sit down.

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You know it. He don't be messing around, because when you sit down on something, he got it. Yeah, he absolutely got it. Who has more on car T shirts, Ocho? Soccer shirts.

[Seco Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Hey, Michael. I got a collection, Joe. If there's anything I collect, it's them goddamn kids, boy. Them tops, bro. Yeah, I got about over 1900 shirts, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

I ain't got that many.

[Seco Johnson]

You gotta think I've been collecting shirts now, you know, shoot damn near all my life, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I'm.

[Seco Johnson]

I try to get, like, vintage stuff, Joe. Like.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Seco Johnson]

80s.

[Ocho]

Where you begin them from? You go, like, thrift. You have to do thrift shopping and all that.

[Seco Johnson]

The Venice collectors.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Seco Johnson]

And they be. They be taxing me sometime, too, Joe.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Johnson]

That's how it was, Ocho. Remember the throwback craze was happy.

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. With the jerseys.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Man, I got so many baseball and basketball and football throwbacks.

[Ocho]

Told y' all I'm sick, bro. I'm sick when we talk about that. Somebody stole all mine, bro. I had a big duffel bag. I'm talking about a big, big. It took like. It took two people to carry this big duffel bag I had full of jerseys, bro.

[Seco Johnson]

They took it out your car?

[Ocho]

Nah, man. My house got broken, too, in Phoenix, and they took out how much jersey, bro.

[Seco Johnson]

Damn. Now we gonna find out who that is, Joe. Cause ain't that got to be somebody? You know, Joe, man, that's so long

[Joe Johnson]

ago that Joe ain't thinking about that been 20 years ago.

[Ocho]

It's been more than that.

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah. When people. Uncle Joe. When people breaking people's houses, especially athletes, man, if somebody got to know somebody.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Seco Johnson]

You know, I don't even know how to get in.

[Joe Johnson]

North American gangs, man, they just terrorizing. They terrorizing. Ocho, if you know an athlete live there, you know, when he plays, where is he gonna be Sunday at 1:00'? Clock?

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah, right on the field.

[Joe Johnson]

Basketball players. What are they gonna be at night?

[Ocho]

Yeah. At the game.

[Joe Johnson]

So, you know,

[Seco Johnson]

and it's so funny. They breaking the houses. Uncle Joe, we in 20, 26. Technology is so advanced. There's cameras everywhere.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Everything.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they.

[Seco Johnson]

They still.

[Joe Johnson]

They.

[Seco Johnson]

They. For everything they make to protect you, there's always something to counter it, to be able to get in.

[Joe Johnson]

It ain't nothing like, guess what, Joe? I Got. I got three to four minutes, five minutes before the police get here.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

All I'm trying to grab stuff that's accessible. I ain't going through a whole lot. Hey, everybody, Most people still got this stuff in the bedroom. I'm throwing out your drawers. I'm looking to flip in your bed, Looking up under your mattresses.

[Ocho]

Hey, look, you talking about feeling violated, bro. This was. Look, this was the day before Thanksgiving. My mama was in town. I'll never forget this. I remember like it was yesterday. So me and the homies. Me and the homies, we finna. We finna hit the spot after the game. We finna hit the little spot. So I'm dropping my mom off at home. Cause she finna start preparing Thanksgiving. We didn't even go in the house. I just dropped off. She went in the house. She called me, and she was going crazy. I'm like, damn, what's going on? I turned right around, man. They had done ramsack my whole career, bro. I'm telling my turntable beds. I'm talking about drawers all on. I'm talking about stuff all in the house. I was bad O. Joe, she went home, though, huh? Nah, she wasn't home, but she just walked in and seen all that.

[Seco Johnson]

Right, right, right.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe, they got me. They got me in 20, 23.

[Ocho]

Joe, where in.

[Joe Johnson]

In LA.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Took off. Took all my watches that violated, man. Joe, man, you know, I had been. Some of these watches I had had since I was 35 years.

[Ocho]

Damn, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

The first Rolex. I mean, some of the stuff that, you know, and they don't. They don't. You know, they don't make it anymore.

[Ocho]

That hurt, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

Man, it hurts so bad, Joe. It hurts so, so, so bad.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, look, I had at the time, I used to hang out with Stefan Marbury. Pretty tough. So we had just come from New York, and I never forget this, bro. It was me, Stefan Marbury, and Barboza. Leandro Barboza, okay? Steph used to take. Steph used to take. He took Barbosa on this wing. He was like, man, we finna go see Jacob. I'm like, I'm going with y'.

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[Ocho]

So we go. We go see Jacob the jeweler. I ain't never. I had never bought myself a watch. I wasn't even no watch guy at the time, man. I got in there, bought me a nice Jacob. Man, they took five times on.

[Joe Johnson]

You got your five times on, Joe.

[Ocho]

That thing was so clean, bro. Ocho, they stole my Jacob watching everything, bro.

[Seco Johnson]

Damn.

[Ocho]

Oh, man, they got me, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

They got. They got me, Joe. Yeah, and that's not me. Now, I only keep no money in my house because I know. Because here's the thing. This is how I know it was an inside job. Because I had. I had quarter of a meal in cash.

[Seco Johnson]

Ain't touch it, they ain't find it, huh, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

What you mean, find it? All you do is. All you have to do is go pull the drawer open.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

I said no more. I said, you know what that taught me? I. Hey, you break it here, you're gonna get 25

[Seco Johnson]

inside job.

[Joe Johnson]

No, it couldn't be in. Joe, if it was. Oh, Joe, if it's an inside job, you mean to tell me. Yeah, the money right there, Joe. All they. Check this out. They went through four draws. Dump the clothes out. If you go pull the fifth draw, open it up. There was a box in there. All you had to do was open the box, and there it is right there.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Seco Johnson]

They were rushing.

[Joe Johnson]

They picked. Think about it. They. It's five drawers. They go through four of them. The fifth draw is you pull it out, open that box. Boom.

[Ocho]

Hey, you know what's crazy? I'll be seeing that a lot in la, bro. In California.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Because there's so many. It's so many stars out there, and it's like. No, I don't.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't. Hey, I don't put. No. I don't keep no money in my house. Now, like I said, first of all, I. I ain't gone no length of time. I leave Titus out, you're gonna probably. You're gonna probably have to kill him. Because if you come in here and I ain't here, that's your ass.

[Ocho]

They don't want to. And real talk. But burglars don't want to deal with no dogs because. No, you know, that mean you're gonna have to file for a couple shots already, and they're gonna have to give yourself away.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So. And the thing is, I mean, I have. I have to be careful when people just bada. You're gonna scratch up the whole. All the tent on my. On my glass.

[Ocho]

My front glass, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Look here. And I joke about. He almost knocked himself out. Somebody came in the thing, and he hit that door. I said, bro, what are you doing? Yeah, that was. That was it. I said, you know what? Cause, you know, I used to, like, you know, my sister come to town, my mom come to town, I give him some money and be done with it.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I said, Never. I said never again. That. That. That. That hurt me, man. That hurt me. That hurt me to my heart.

[Ocho]

I already know it.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, they got Ocho Joe. Joe Burrow. They got Joe Burrow. They got Patrick Mahomes. They got Kelsey, but they got Joe stuff. They got Joe stuff back.

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah. Now, I did see that on the news.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Seco Johnson]

South American game you was talking about.

[Joe Johnson]

They're going, right? They're going. They're going. They're going crazy. That's. That's one of the main reasons that I left.

[Ocho]

Hold on. They got a little.

[Joe Johnson]

One of the main reasons.

[Ocho]

They got a little shadow, too, didn't it?

[Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Seco Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

No, no, no. They went to South America. There was somebody from Atlanta drove way Joe way there.

[Ocho]

Wow.

[Joe Johnson]

And somebody dimed him out.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

But it. But it hurt. You know, I called the police and everything. You know, they looked and they was like, you think it was an inside job? I was like. And then I walked him in there. I said, look. I said, they came in my bedroom. I mean, they came in the closet.

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And I pulled. I said, look. Look at this. And then I pulled out the bottom drawer. He said, nah.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

He said, they came. They got what they. That was right there visible. And then they left.

[Ocho]

It's a. I had.

[Joe Johnson]

I had. I had a Christopher backpack on the thing that I used to take to work every day. I had all my cuff links in there. And the thing was, I had my notepad that I write all my notes in. I had a. My Mount Blanc pen. They took the. They took the. The notepad out.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

But the. The backpack, the cut. All my cuff links were in there.

[Ocho]

It's hard to sleep too, boy, after that, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe. It was just. It's just a violation. Yeah, it's just a violation because I remember when I first got there, when I first got to la, I used to walk the dogs around the block and leave the door unlocked.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Didn't it? But I would run to run the Target, run the Whole Foods.

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I left the Titus at the time Titus was in. In his room in his pen. The little dogs, normally people, they would take. They didn't take the little dogs. That was. I was like, that really hurt me.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

If they took the dogs, I'd have really been hurt. I was heard about the. About. About the watches, but I was like, you know what? That's replaceable. I wouldn't have been able to replace baby and. And Teddy Bear. They probably would have bought Fat Teddy back. FBA dance out of house at Home. But no, but I. I'm done with that. I don't. I don't care. Hey, after that, I don't. I don't keep no money in the house.

[Ocho]

Yeah,

[Joe Johnson]

can't. Can't trust. I mean, you can't trust nobody, Ocho.

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah, you're right. You're right about that.

[Joe Johnson]

And that's one of the things.

[Ocho]

I don't. I don't.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't. And I've never invited people over to my house. I didn't let my kids bring their friends over. Yeah, I don't have people over to my house like that. The only people that's been to my house is Jordan Nash and my sister. That's it. Nobody else I've been in two years. My sister, Jordan, Ash. That's it, man. Nope. When I was in Atlanta, my kids can bring free. No, nope. I don't have people over to the house like that, man. You ever get denied, we go to a restaurant and have a get together. But I ain't having nobody at my house. Yeah, Live and learn, guys. You live and learn.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Johnson]

Live and learn. Oh, after you. After ISO. Go play Wimby. You got it? What? It says OO after ISO. Go play Wimby. You got it. They say Wimby gonna tie you out for oo.

[Ocho]

What you mean?

[Joe Johnson]

They said? That's what. Oh, that's how Ocho gonna win. He said you got to go play Wimby first.

[Seco Johnson]

Nah, I'm good now.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, you want Joe Fresh?

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah, I think I didn't got acclimated to what it's like now. I'm good.

[Ocho]

Oh, hey, listen, I'm built. I'm built for the. For the. For the. For the BS now, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like you. You know, we can have a nice finesse game, but if it turned into, you know, some physicality, and you know,

[Joe Johnson]

I'm ready for that too, honcho.

[Ocho]

I'm built for that. I'm built for that. But I finesse the hell out of you now.

[Seco Johnson]

Hey, you. You gotta understand, you know, I come from a game where it's built on physicality.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what Ash do? Got a new truck. Why don't y' all talking Got a new truck. I'm just saying, Ash, what you got? Wait a couple of years to get a new one. What kind of truck she got a Tahoe?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

High country.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Seco Johnson]

Some forgiatos on that thing.

[Joe Johnson]

You said she got it. Yeah.

[Seco Johnson]

Put some forgies on that thing.

[Joe Johnson]

No, no, but no, you. You stay and And. And the. The thing was, guys, the police, like, the detective kept it like. Like, do you. I was like, yeah. He's like. He said, don't, don't. Don't keep that kind of money in the house. Yeah. He said everything else is insured. He said, but cash is not insured. He said, that's okay. I'm take your word for it. I'll take your word for it. You got to tell me into the banking with. And then what you call about financial people? Like, you had that kind of money, you should. Man, shut up. You got enough of my money, right?

[Ocho]

Right.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Hello.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello.

[Ocho]

Have something right? Hello. I know exactly what you thought.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, joy. It might have been Jordan. It might have been Jordan. Ass together. Actually was. Actually. Was Jordan. No, actually. Actually was George Jordan. Jordan was. We had just gone out to eat, but not. And like I said, it's two years and I still think about it. I was like, damn, you work so hard. I think the thing is, Joe. You know what it is, Joe. Because I wasn't making a whole lot of money without. And so it took me like three to four years. I see a Rolex that I wanted.

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And I was like, you know, I got to save up three to four years. Okay. A car signing here, an appearance there. X, Y and Z. So I would save up and get it. Yeah. I never just like, oh, I saw this Rolex and just go buy it.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

Or. Or this, you know, Brightling, or whatever the case may be. I. You know, and so that's what. That's what hurt the most now why it doesn't have the same meaning? Because I can just go get it. Yeah. When you sacrifice and you save up and got there anybody that's ever had to save up and go get something, you know, you valued a little bit more.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Calf defeat. Sesame street ugly me. Ocho paid for feet. ISO weak okc repeat ISO. You're not weak. But I'm trying to rhyme. You're the truth. Thank you, fellas. For the team for hard endless will work into dedication. More importantly, in my opinion, y' all simply the best. If ain't no nightcap. It's a phony Amazon. Anyways. Both votes are in as well.

[Ocho]

Woo, Pig. There you go, big ho.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh,

[Ocho]

hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Yeah. All that ain't called for now we having a good night.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho. ISO, where do you actually watch these playoff games? Is it at the sports bar, friends home or in your own home? Just curious.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I'll be sitting right here on my damn couch.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah. I sit right here.

[Joe Johnson]

I can't watch it. Bro. How you expect I couldn't watch a game of the Sports Bar Ocho.

[Seco Johnson]

I always watch the first half of each basketball game when I'm in Miami. I always watch the first half of the game in the cigar bar. I leave at halftime. I'm right down the street. I'm home for the second half.

[Ocho]

Nah, I'll be. I'll be sitting my ass right here.

[Joe Johnson]

No, that's me, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Cause I. I ain't watching Ocho.

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah.

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[Joe Johnson]

Joe Chad if I watch the game, if I watch the game with no sound, do you actually think I could watch the game in a sports bar?

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah. Too much going. People bothering you?

[Joe Johnson]

It's all the noise. How can I concentrate? Yeah, I'm trying. I'm really trying to concentrate. I'm trying to see why this is working, why it isn't working, what's really going on. No, I can't. I can't. And you know, and I tell people this and I know it's hard for people to believe I'm the most outgoing introvert you're ever gonna meet. And people, they tell me all the time you ain't nothing. Like what? You on tv. I'm not. My girlfriend's friends like, oh, I bet he's so much fun because he's so funny. He's like, you think he like that when he not on tv? He ain't nothing like that. That joker quiet. He just be sitting there with no sound. And I do. Damn, I can't watch TV with the sound. Joe.

[Ocho]

You can't.

[Joe Johnson]

Not no sporting event.

[Seco Johnson]

No, I gotta hear the sound.

[Ocho]

I I lowkey Gotta feel like I'm in the damn building. Okay? I ain't gonna lie to you.

[Joe Johnson]

That's why I watch it by myself. Man. We ought to come over watch. No, you ain't coming. I used to let Guys come over and watch the game. I need to know who you cheering for. Yeah, who you for? Cause if you ain't going for the team, I'm going for you. Not coming. You not coming, man. Come on. Who you? Okay.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You ain't going to be in my house rooting against my team. What the hell?

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. That's why when my damn Cowboys play, I sit here and watch it by my damn self. So if I'm. Hey, hey. So if I'm in misery, I can sit here in misery by my damn self, but it ain't gonna be a bunch of y' all over here rooting against my Cowboys and we lose.

[Joe Johnson]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Ocho]

Hell no.

[Joe Johnson]

That's why I'll get to root for the Cowboys. Y' all be losing half the time. That's why you be sad. And that's what. That's why she started coming. She used to come. The game coming on. Now she coming like five minutes left in the fourth quarter. Nah, hell no. You ain't going to be rooting against my team. It's been downhill for hard ever since that D. Wade debate. I don't think that had anything to do with it.

[Ocho]

Well, I mean, comparing the two, it's just different.

[Joe Johnson]

Two different players, though.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, their games are not even. Joe, There ain't nothing about their game that are comparable, that are similar that you look at like, okay, I can see a little D. Wade. Okay. And D. Wade, I can see a little James Hart. Ain't nothing. Nah.

[Ocho]

Y' all do know D. Wade is probably top two defenders and shot blocking from the two guard spot. I think, hell, the only person probably in front of him is probably Jordan Hill.

[Joe Johnson]

I think he. I think he caught Jordan as far as blocked shots. Did he?

[Ocho]

From the two guard spot. So he might be the. The best shot blocking two guard to ever play the damn game.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man. Before. Look, I think people just looking at D. Wade's last couple years when his knees were bad, people don't realize D. Wade's like, from when he came into the league until like 2012. So, like the first 10 years.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it, boy. Hell on wheels, wasn't it, man?

[Joe Johnson]

And so, you know, sometimes that's what happens, Joe, is that when you. You get old, people don't remember how great you were when you were younger and you were fresher and you were healthier.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

They just look at the last couple of years and they think that's what you are. They look at him in Chicago, they look at him in Cleveland, and they Say no. No, no, no, I don't. Look at that. I don't.

[Ocho]

No, I don't.

[Joe Johnson]

Cav should just blow it up. Bigs are soft. Dean Wade out there for cardio. Can't make free throws and bad coaching plus turnovers.

[Ocho]

Nah, not blow it up. Here they in the Eastern Conference finals.

[Seco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You gotta find some way to tweak that roster, bro. That's comparable to. To helping Donovan Mitchell. I don't know what the hell you got to do, but you got to do something.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, you kind of stuck with. With Mitchell and Harden.

[Ocho]

Yeah. You gotta get a three.

[Joe Johnson]

So sure you're gonna be able to get off Mobley. So you might be. You might be able to trade Jared Allen. I'm sure somebody like a big, he can roll, he can rebound, he can block shots. Somebody take him up off your hand. He's not making a ton of money.

[Ocho]

Man, you gonna. Yeah, you're gonna have to figure something out. I think you. You gotta go find your nice small four. I know the Angels. I wonder why they gave up DeAndre Hunter. Hell, I thought he would be a great pickup. He. He used to play here for the Hogs, but he was a three and they traded him. Yeah, I know. They traded him like Sacramento or something. Yeah, I don't know why they did that.

[Joe Johnson]

Shannon, you always say you update your resume. Are you sure Hard is still a top 75 player? Well, look, you can't get voted. You can't get bumped out of that. It's like if you're an all decade player, you're an all decade player. Once you get those Pro Bowls on your resume, you are that player. But yes, you have to update. You could be a. A seven time or five time or whatever. Many times. Pro Bowl, Ocho. But that doesn't mean that just because you were one that you are one. Yeah, currently. And so, you know, he still can have those moments, but it's just harder as we start to age. It's just harder to have those moments. Back to back to back to back to back. Yeah, Like I said, you'll remember Hard and hard had what, 30 plus games in a row, Joe, with 30 plus points.

[Ocho]

Cooking boy. Nasty man.

[Joe Johnson]

Sprinkle some 40s and 50s up in there.

[Ocho]

But hey, hey, but that's what I'm talking about. That's. When could nobody stay in front of him? I'm talking about nobody.

[Joe Johnson]

But that was also a 27, 28 year old Joe. Yeah, there's a lot of miles on it. There's a lot of. There's a lot of miles on those tires.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you're right.

[Seco Johnson]

That boy hit that step back Joe and create all that separation.

[Ocho]

He got a nice handle, Ojo. He's. And when he used to get a step on you and get by you, he was poking that thing. He was dunking at the boom.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey ISO Ocho, look. What percent will you say they will allow next to sweep or what percent you think they'll make it go games for the money?

[Ocho]

Oh, it's over with.

[Joe Johnson]

It's over.

[Seco Johnson]

Hey, get you, get your.

[Joe Johnson]

Come down there and play for the Cavs series over on Monday.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, the Knicks. If I'm the Knicks, I'm thinking damn, man, let's throw everything at them. Go and get them boys out of here. Hit them in their mouth that first quarter, they'll quit, they'll give up. And then we can sit back and just watch this heavyweight round fight between OKC and the spurs and hopefully hell, they knock each other out here.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, spurs need to win tomorrow, Joe. Cause if they don't win tomorrow, when they go back to OKC on Tuesday, his old wood be ugly. So Ocho, I think Santana Moss ran better routes than you, bro.

[Seco Johnson]

I like that. That. Hey, that's, that's. That's home team. That's my car city brethren. You know that. That's, that's fine. And any, anybody. Hell, I think AB ran better routes than me too.

[Joe Johnson]

I still won't relax until The Knicks get four wins. The Red Sox Yankees for 2004 still has me weary.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, them folks in New York sitting on pins and needles. Boy they can't wait to celebrate.

[Seco Johnson]

Hey, I told you what's gonna happen, Joe.

[Ocho]

I already know.

[Seco Johnson]

Oo, hey, that Statue of Liberty is gonna move. It's gonna get. He's gonna walk right through that goddamn hut.

[Joe Johnson]

Just like y' all be saying. They got defenders in the west for Bronson. We got defenders for their ass. Orange and blue skies. Thank you for us.

[Ocho]

Orange and blue sky.

[Joe Johnson]

It's going to be a great, it's going to be a great match, whoever if the Knicks are in it. But I think, look, the best situation is the Knicks versus somebody from the west. Cuz anybody else, no matter if the Cavs they getting swept, it's going. Both teams were sweeping them.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, you're right. And I, I think you know, you want to see Shay or Wimby playing in the Garden in a playoff series. This is really where like the mega stars are really made. You know what I mean?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, Chargers fan since 07 here. Can you tell me what the 94 championship team was like it was like to play against? Say I rested. So love always. Always. Go psg. Man, we opened the season up against. The Chargers, bro. We was killing them dudes, bro. We had them dudes down like it was a similar situation. Just like the spurs was doing the OKC.

[Ocho]

Man,

[Joe Johnson]

we were up, I think we were up 17. We was up 17 nothing at one time. And then they scored 13. And then we throw a pick right before the half and they run it all the way back as time expired. The end of half. They going at the half as well as we play. They up 20 to 13. They up 20, 17. They take the weak score. Then they come back and take the lead. Now we got the I score touchdown. We down. I think we down like three. But I end up. I end up like messing my knee up. I tweaked my. My mcl man Ocho. We got on the field, we back on the 10 yard line. We about to run sprint option. About to hit the guy, he wide open. Ball pops out of John's hand. Say I jumps on it. They win.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

That was it. They. They go on and they get to the super bowl and. But we beat them. We go out there, we go out there and say they actually in San Diego. So I gotta get that get back, you know, I gotta get that get back. Right? You know what I'm saying? I got hurt. I got her. I gotta get that get back. Yeah, I better go look.

[Ocho]

What'd you do? What you.

[Joe Johnson]

What'd you have? I think I dropped out six for a buck 22 in a tub on them. You can look it up, Ash. I think I had like a 50 some yarder. Okay, okay, look it up. I think I had like six for book 22. Go ahead, look it up, Ash. 1994. Let me go see if I can find what I did. I think about something like that. But I had like a 50 something yard touchdown. I went over the top of it. A couple long runs. Joe, as we hating on me. She hate me. That's all right. I got it right here. I got it right here. Because I always gave the charges that work. I had a 100 yard game against the Chargers like every year. 94, 95, 96, 97. Oh, I'm cooking.

[Ocho]

What is it? What was it about the charges? Hold on.

[Joe Johnson]

What? January 4th? Nah, hell no. What was it about him?

[Ocho]

Yeah, that, that. For you to get off like that every time, you know, they try to

[Joe Johnson]

cover me one on one.

[Ocho]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, my bad. I was off. I had six for a buck, 21 in the tube. I was off a yard. My bad, my bad. I'm sorry. I was cooking. I was cooking. I would cook it. You know what I'm saying? You know, Y' all cook them. That was. That was.

[Ocho]

Oh, look, Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

We had three turnovers. They had three turnover, too. Damn, we should have beat them worse than that. Yeah, we put. We put pain on them. Leonard Russell, 18 carriage. What? How? What? My long ass. What? My long. I don't know. My long. I think about. I think I had like a 50

[Ocho]

something yarder and you were kicking dust like that, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Man, Joe, I ain't like these tag teams here get like six, 50 yards. No, I'm giving me a hundred piece. 160, 150, 170, 182. Yeah, we lost. Yeah, we. We had him down 17, nothing in the first game. Them Joe came back and beat us, beat us 37, 34.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Seco Johnson]

We had him. We. Hey, we was up, what, 28 zip. Who there on the Chargers?

[Ocho]

They walked y' all down and walked us down.

[Seco Johnson]

Boy, that got damn. Ladanian Thomason. Oh, man, I think that's the year. He had 31 TDs, too.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, Yeah, I had 44 yard. I caught a. Caught a bomb over the top of him, Joe.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, then I caught one on the sideline. And I like to got up out of there, Joe. I like to got up out of there. They called me by the nipple, by the ankle.

[Seco Johnson]

You look at it, you lucky I ain't played during your era. And I play like linebacker.

[Joe Johnson]

Gonna be no linebacker with your light ass.

[Seco Johnson]

I'm just saying maybe you could have been.

[Joe Johnson]

Maybe you could have been a corner.

[Seco Johnson]

I'm just saying, if I had to cover you, boy, all them numbers you

[Ocho]

got, you locking that up, Ocho.

[Seco Johnson]

And listen, I would have had uncle to blend out there. You hear me?

[Ocho]

Come on, man, stop it.

[Seco Johnson]

Hey, Joe, you seen the clip of me with them young college boys, right? Yeah, I'm like that at db, Joe. Real, real patient. My feet. My feet work real good. My eye discipline real good, Joe. I'm always in position to be able to make a play. I never put a bad position, Joe.

[Ocho]

Okay, okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, you've been in a bad position. You played with me. Oh. Aka. I was. I was like, damn. Oo and steel. Hello. Who y' all got tonight, Lance Stevenson or Michael Beasley? Ocho, how good was Sean Taylor?

[Seco Johnson]

Hey, Sean Taylor was nice boy. Sean Taylor. Was nice. Like, obviously what you saw at UM is one thing. You know, what you saw in the NFL, the small samples. How you saw in the NFL is another. But what he did in high school, what he did in Pop Warner. But Sean Taylor, name was ringing unk. Sean lived way down south. Yeah, I live in the city, in Dade County. Sean was wearing Broward County. His name was ringing bells way from dying there. So obviously I didn't understand who he was. But when I had a chance to see him play at UM man, the rest was history. I already knew what it was. And he made such an impact so early, which is why he's still regarded as one of the best. And he didn't even play long.

[Joe Johnson]

Nope.

[Seco Johnson]

And we still ain't seen nothing like that.

[Joe Johnson]

No big dude like that.

[Seco Johnson]

Size bass.

[Joe Johnson]

6, 3, 2, 25, 230. He probably like 230 Ball Hawk

[Ocho]

Boy.

[Joe Johnson]

And when he came, he had bad intentions every time he showed up every time.

[Seco Johnson]

Remember he did with the. Remember what he did to the party?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I remember that. That was. That might have been 2005. 2005, 2006.

[Seco Johnson]

I forgot what promo that was.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey. Because I think Coach Belichick. Coach Belichick was the. I think Coach Belichick. Was it Coach Belichick or was it Coach Kyle, the head coach at the Pro Bowl? They ran that fake punt, huh?

[Seco Johnson]

Hit that corner, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Seco Johnson]

And try to turn up instead of going out of bounds.

[Joe Johnson]

Then I talked that man into getting head split. Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. The New York Knicks are one win away from advancing to the NBA Finals for the first time since 1999. Thank you guys for joining us. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite. Up and there is my partner and co host. Man, I told you to go outside when you smoke them cigars. Bingo's ring of fame artery. No. You on your diet. Go ahead, smoke away with your. Before you go to bed.

[Seco Johnson]

I asked for a smoking room. Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Okay,

[Ocho]

whatever.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yep, ask for one of them when we pay for that. Hey, can you give me a smoking room?

[Seco Johnson]

I got you.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, I appreciate that. That is Chad Ocho, Seco Johnson and the seven time NBA all star from the Atlanta Hawks, University of Arkansas alum that is ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you for your support and your continued support. Those looking to purchase a Bottle of Shade by La Portier. Head over to laportiercognac.com if it's currently unavailable in a city or state near you. It's a premium VSOP Cognac. The best tasting smoothie. Yeah on the market and it drinks like an exo. And we have two sizes. The 750 is the OG and the 375 is the Junior. Same great quality, same great taste, the same smoothness. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. We've been nominated for four Hashtag Sports Awards in 2026 and the categories are Best Brand Partnership, Nightcap, Outside and Row. Best Podcast Best Athlete Podcast Best Use of Live Video. Please go vote for us. The link is pinned in the chat. Vote as many times as you like. The voting ends Monday. The voting ends on Monday, so make sure you get those votes in between now and Monday. And we cannot thank you enough. The Cavs beat the knicks, take a commanding 30 lead. They can end this series on Monday. I don't think they're trying to go back home. They want to go back home and stay there for a while and not have to get ready for another game. So the Knicks are on the cusp of headed back to the NBA finals for the first time since 1999 and the spurs are trying to send this thing back to San Antonio Tied two two. We're back tomorrow after the game. I'm Unk, He's Ocho, he's ISO. Thanks for joining us.

[Ocho]

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