NFL Free Agency Week 1 Recap Part 2: Kyler Murray on the MOVE, Geno Smith COMEBACK SZN?!

Summary

NIGHTCAP — NFL Free Agency Week 1 Recap, Pt. 2: Kyler Murray on the MOVE, Geno Smith COMEBACK SZN?!
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson
Date: March 14, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the whirlwind Week 1 of NFL free agency, analyzing major signings, unexpected trades, and the shifting fortunes of some of the league’s biggest names at quarterback, running back, and defense. Shannon Sharpe ("Unc") and Ochocinco ("Ocho") offer candid, sometimes hilarious, sometimes poignant takes on the moves that could shape the 2026 NFL season—including Kyler Murray’s fresh start in Minnesota, Geno Smith’s return to New York, the Chiefs’ overhaul, and the never-ending quest for franchise stability in places like Baltimore, Tennessee, and Las Vegas.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Chiefs Sign Super Bowl MVP RB Kenneth Walker III (02:35)

• Move: The Kansas City Chiefs ink former Seahawks RB and Super Bowl MVP Kenneth Walker III to a 3-year, $45M deal ($28.7M guaranteed).
• Stats: Walker led postseason rushing with 313 yards and 4 TDs.
• Context: This marks the first time since 2003 that a reigning Super Bowl MVP signs with a new team in the following offseason.
• Ocho’s Take:
    "I absolutely do like it. ...You need somebody that can take the load off... He played himself into a contract. He played himself into an opportunity to play for the Chiefs." (03:34)
• Shannon’s Insight:
    "When you have a great quarterback…you’re like, 'Well, we could take maybe average or below average at certain positions...' Well, finally it caught up and Mahomes couldn’t overcome it. ...Even Patrick Mahomes, it was too great for him to overcome." (05:08)
• Broader Implication: The Chiefs are finally addressing holes at running back but still face major needs at WR, OL, and defense.

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2. Baltimore Ravens: Max Crosby Trade, Lamar Discussions 🟣 (14:53)

• Reaction to Max Crosby Trade: Dan Orlovsky says, "There ain't no more excuses," for Lamar Jackson after the Ravens go all-in.
• Lamar’s Response on social: "Excuse me Dan. There’s never been excuses for Lamar though." (15:16)
• Ocho: Appreciates seeing Lamar finally clap back online:
    "The fact that he even responded was cool because he don’t say that. He’ll never fire back." (15:28)
• Shannon on Ravens’ roster holes:
    "Offensively, they need another receiver outside of Zay…They got to feel the hole at right guard. ...Right guard is just, ooh, Jesus." (15:56)
• Analysis: The hosts highlight how much of Baltimore's recent failings trace to offense, not defense, and praise Lamar’s leadership and accountability.

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3. Tennessee Titans Go on Spending Spree, But Are They Done? (23:14)

• Signings: Titans add WR Wan’Dale Robinson (4 yrs/$88M), DL John Franklin-Myers, CB Alontae Taylor.
• Ocho:
    "I just...hope they do more and add more weapons around [Cam Ward] so he doesn't have the issues like he had last year. ...There were many issues offensively for them." (24:06)
• Shannon:
    "You could never have too many weapons for your quarterback at all." (25:04)
• Note: Cal Ridley’s injury and uncertain return timeline create more questions.

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4. Kyler Murray Signs with the Vikings: New Era or Same Woes? (32:08)

• Signing: Murray gets 1-yr, $1.3M in Minnesota (but $37M left from Arizona).
• Shannon: Compares to Sam Darnold and Geno Smith resurgences:   "Can we see that type of resurgence from Kyler Murray?" (32:58)
• Ocho:
    "We’re going to understand why situations matter. ...Kyler Murray is going to shock a lot of people." (33:03)
• Warning:
    "His only issue is, and I've said this from the very jump, he is a small man. Injuries have plagued him." (34:47)
• Supporting Cast: Justin Jefferson, T.J. Hockenson, and Jordan Addison present one of the strongest skill groups Murray’s had.
• Advice:
    "Don’t be afraid. Know when the journey’s over. Throw that blink on and get out of blind...slide down on that turn. ...Availability is the best ability." (37:26–38:15)
• QB Battle: All hosts agree: If healthy, Murray beats out J.J. McCarthy for the starting job.   "Not a chance in hell that boy gonna play." – Ocho (48:53)

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5. Geno Smith Returns to the New York Jets (49:00)

• Narrative: Geno comes full circle, seeking redemption after rocky first stint.
• Quote:
    "Geno Smith is going to have to have an out of body experience every goddamn week and elevate all those around him." – Ocho (49:49)
• Jets Questions: Lament the team’s lack of talent, weak O-line, and organizational drift:
    "Seattle won the super bowl because they got good players and they got a lot of them. ...You don't got good players, man. You waste your time." (51:29–52:20)
• Historical Dig: Last Jets playoff appearance with Mark Sanchez as QB (2009).

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6. Defensive/Offensive Line Dominoes: Crosby, Linderbaum, and More (54:36, 61:56)

• Max Crosby Saga:
    Ravens trade falls through, he returns to the Raiders, creating awkwardness for both player and team due to how the failed trade was handled.
• Shannon on Basics:
    "The ball, that's the quarterback. Somebody got to protect it. ...That's why you see the Miles Garrett and the T.J. Watts ... and Laremy Tunsil making 30 million..." (59:28–60:42)
• Raiders Sign Tyler Linderbaum:
    "Three years, $81 million with the Raiders. The deal includes 60 million guaranteed...the most ever for an NFL interior lineman." (61:56)
• Team Vibes: Locker room social media drama noted between Kyle Hamilton and Marlon Humphrey (63:01). Ocho and Shannon read it as mostly trolling but acknowledge modern NFL "feels."

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7. Steelers Get Bigger: Pittman Joins DK Metcalf (67:54)

• Move: Pittman Jr. to Steelers, forming gigantic WR duo with DK.
• Ocho:
    "You got two big receivers, but you still need somebody else. ...You can't have the same everything at the receiver position." (68:29)
• QB Uncertainty: Is Aaron Rodgers returning? No faith in current options.

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8. Other Notables & Free Agent Tidbits

• JK Dobbins Re-signs with Broncos: Health concerns, limited guarantees. (25:04)
• Nicobe Dean goes Raiders over Cowboys: "5149 decision" based on gut feel, not taxes. (72:10)
• Bears, Cowboys, and Offensive Line Musings: Unc and Ocho riff on the money at tackle and edge, historical context from Lawrence Taylor’s impact (60:42–61:55).
• Lamar’s Mega Contract Coming:
    "What, what did Josh Allen, what was Josh Allen guaranteed? Give me, hey, Ocho, give me 50 more than Josh. ...That 62 and 50 more than what Josh Allen got.” (67:17)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Franchise QBs Making Up for Bad Roster Construction:   “Patrick Mahomes is...the greatest makeup. They’re makeups. They’re the best. ...Sometimes you don’t realize how much makeup helps until the lights come on and you wake up in the morning…” — Shannon (09:09)
• On the Jets and Talent Gaps:   "If you are in a talent deficit, you are going to get beat." – Shannon (54:32)
• On the Oddities of Failed Trades:   "I feel bad for Max. I feel bad for the Raiders, because I can just imagine, ...you’re in the building and they tell you it’s not gonna happen." – Shannon (57:34)
• On Kyler and the Do-or-Die Scenario:   "Kyler Murray with his back against the wall on a one year deal for vet minimum...He f. To play all balls to the wall." – Ocho (39:38)
• On Pittsburgh WR Corp:   "You can't have the same everything at the receiver position." – Ocho (69:20)
• On the Historic Impact of LT:   "I can make a case that LT is the greatest player to ever play the game because he made two positions famous: the left tackle and the edge." — Shannon (60:42)

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Important Timestamps

• 02:35—07:44: Chiefs land Kenneth Walker III, overhaul needed on offense/defense.
• 14:53—20:23: Reaction to Max Crosby move/Lamar’s "no excuses" era in Baltimore.
• 23:14—25:45: Titans’ FA spree, questions around Cam Ward’s support.
• 32:08—48:53: Kyler Murray to Vikings, career ‘resurgence’ possibilities, and the implications for J.J. McCarthy.
• 49:00—53:25: Geno Smith returns to Jets, historical context, and the plight of a perennially bad franchise.
• 54:36—60:41: Max Crosby saga, defensive building blocks, importance of great pass rushers/OL.
• 61:56—68:29: Tyler Linderbaum makes history with Raiders; Steelers add Michael Pittman Jr.
• 72:10—74:52: Nicobe Dean’s decision, Raiders' rebuilding phase.

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Conclusion & Takeaways

Sharpe and Ochocinco provide a sweeping but incisive breakdown of free agency’s biggest splashes. The focus stays on how teams enable or squander quarterback talent, the gap between star power and real roster depth, and the awkward human side of blockbuster trades and big-money moves. If there’s one theme, it’s this: Talent, timing, and team-building—those three “T”s—still run the NFL, no matter the salary cap tricks or Twitter drama.

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This summary covers all key content, memorable quotes, and major discussion threads from the episode while skipping non-content sections and advertising.

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Ocho the Kansas City Chiefs are signing former Super Bowl MVP Seahawks running back Kenneth Walker III.

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[Joe]

To upgrade their backfield. The deal three years worth up to 45 million with 28.7 fully guaranteed. Walker coming off Artemis best season earning MVP honors in the super bowl, leading the Seahawks past the Patriots last month. He also led the NFL in postseason rushes, 65 rush yards, three 13 rushing touchdowns, four in three games in January and February. Walker will become the first Super Bowl MVP to sign with a new team the following season since Dexter Jackson did it for the Buccaneers. He left to go to the Cardinals in 2003. The Chiefs wanted to upgrade their rushing attack. They ranked 25th in rush yards per game 106.6 and 20th in yards per carry at 4. 2 1. This especially struggled down the stretch failing to surpass the 100 worth yard mark in each of their final four games. Oo do you like this?

[Ocho]

Hey, I ab I absolutely do like it. I was. I was upset that the Chiefs and do their due diligence and do what they needed to do to bring a running back in last season at the trade deadline. I was hoping it would have been Bree Paul, Bree hall getting somebody that can take the like. Yeah. Yeah. You see how you're doing it. You saw his tweet.

[Joe]

But they weren't willing to give up a second round pick and the Dolphins had a stood firm.

[Ocho]

I don't.

[Joe]

You lost your mind.

[Ocho]

Yeah. You know. You know what your team needs. Obviously when you look at somebody like the Chiefs you understand. You know what? Okay. You don't want to give us. You don't want to. You don't value that position the way you think you should because you have a quarterback that's so. That's so good at what he does where you really haven't had a centerpiece or a running back like that. But now I think it's very important for them to get a player like brother Walker and what he can do. You have a player that is really good. He looked tremendous last year with the Seahawks when he actually got a chance to actually start and play a bit more at the Charbonneau. Am I saying it right after Charbonnet went down and got injured he played himself into a contract. He played himself into an opportunity to play for the Chiefs. So I'm excited for them. But they still need help as well.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

In other positions. Now that. I mean you. You said it last year. You said it Last year that they need to get a running back. You said it last year. Because what they, what they had, you know, getting 1 and 2 yards and 3 yards of carry just ain't gonna cut it.

[Joe]

I, I thought, I think the thing is, Ocho is like when you have a great quarterback, you like, well, we could take maybe average or below average at certain positions and because our quarterback is so great, he could overcome that. Well, finally it caught up and Mahomes couldn't overcome it because the running back, the lack of running back, the lack of big plays at the wide receiver position and the inconsistency at the offensive line, it finally, even Patrick Mahomes, it was too great for him to overcome. And then once he got that injury, you know, their season was over and so they just kind of, they, they played, they continued to play, but they weren't winning anything. I like this. I don't really know where else, where they was gonna go. I mean, you look at what atn, he went to the Saints, he got a big, got a big payday. And I don't know if this mean, does this mean they're probably out of the market for the brother from Love? I, I think. What's the brother from another name?

[Ocho]

Jordan. Jordan Love.

[Joe]

Jeremiah.

[Ocho]

Look, Jeremiah Love. I'm talking about Jordan.

[Joe]

I don't know if that's. They're out of the running and maybe there's like, well, where we're picking. We're probably not going to get there to get him. And so we got to upgrade this. Look, if you just look at it, Ocho, me personally, I'm not so sure that he's a top 10 running back, but sometimes in free agency it's about being free.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Joe]

It's about you. You look at some of the salaries that the guys are getting. They have to be free.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And that's. It's all about timing. Location, location, location, restaurant or business. Timing, timing, timing when it comes to these contracts. And so like I said, I don't know. He probably, he, he hit it. Right. He hit it when he needed to have a great postseason super bowl mvp. Somebody's gonna play him now. I knew I like there's a 95 chance he's gonna go elsewhere. They just, they're just not running backs unless you 17, 1800 yards. Unless, you know.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

A couple of times like a Derek Henry or Saquon. Now even, even Quan Saquon really couldn't get a second long term contract from the Giants. Remember they franchised him. He had to leave.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah yeah.

[Joe]

Henry at least got a second contract. And then they was like, well, he don't have any juice. No. No juice left. And then he goes and still play well Jonathan Taylor. But for the most part OO they're not really giving running backs second big time contracts. And so I was. I'm not surprised that he's not in Seattle anymore based on company on the production that they got out of him. Charbonnet will be back. I believe he'll be back. And. And you. You probably gonna go get a running back to feel. To feel the. The boy that he leaves vacated.

[Ocho]

And that. That's exactly how they view it. They. That's exactly how they view it. If you're not special. If you're not special. They think we can plug. It's plug and play. We can find another you. We can find another you that can do exactly what you were doing.

[Joe]

You're right. But. But I think I. I think but the Kansas City oo they still. I think I still think they need some off obviously offensive line, I. I definitely think they need some receiver. They lost. Look, they lost both corners. Both corners goes to the Rams. And we talked about this last. I said man, the Rams secondary is terrible. And what did they do? They wouldn't upgrade it. They got both of the. Both of those guys from Kansas City. Now we'll see how they look outside of a, A. What's the guys out. Out of his system. What, what Spags. They look outside of his system. Right, but with verse and, and the offense with the, the D line. I think the D. We're gonna see how that how it is. But Kansas City, they lost Brian Cook. They lost both corners. They. I think they're gonna probably lose some other players. So it's gonna be. Look, Kansas City got their work cut out for them because you let it. You let it the house, you look, you could have repaired the roof and you didn't. And so now your plumbing is also messed up. So now you gotta. So basically, Ocho, you got a lot of holes to feel.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Because you had. Funny thing about that masked a lot of things. And when he could no longer mask, you realize kind of like makeup, Ocho, sometimes you don't realize how much make, how much makeup helps until the lights come on and you wake up in the morning like God told Mari nose. That's what, that's what Patrick Mahomes is. He's the greatest makeup. The great quarterbacks, they're makeups. They're the best. I'll do this before Your time. It used to be a makeup called Prince Machabelli and Maybelline.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, I remember that. Maybelline.

[Joe]

I don't know what the makeup. I don't even know Mary Kay.

[Ocho]

Don't forget about Mary Kay.

[Joe]

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[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, but I guess.

[Joe]

But yes, sir, those really great quarterbacks, they are great makeup and they can hide imperfections. And it's not until you're not able to apply that makeup that you see all these imperfections and all these blemishes and you realize like, damn, we're not as pretty as I thought we were in the Kansas City realized that because all of a sudden Patrick Mahomes could not cover up those blemishes and he realized just how imperfect they were.

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Oh, Dan Oloski was on get up this morning talking about what Max Crosby trade means for Lamar. Jackson Dio said, I love Lamar. There ain't no more excuses. That's all in. Lamar responded on Twitter X Excuse me Dan. There's never been excuses for Lamar though.

[Ocho]

I like that. Hey, you know, hey, he, he don't, you know, he don't say much. He don't talk much. The fact that he even responded was cool.

[Joe]

You heard me.

[Ocho]

The fact that he even responded was cool because he don't, he don't say that. He'll never fire back. He'll never say nothing. So it's good to see that for a change again from a superstar, a mega superstar in the, in the game. I wish a little bit, I wish a few more of them would open up and go back and forth when they, when they don't agree with something, you know, a certain opinion of what, whatever it may be, especially in the off season, you know, and enjoy, enjoy yourself, you know, let the people see a different side of you for a change.

[Joe]

I think I, I, I, I think Ocho, I think, look, last year we thought it was the defense because we saw the leads that they have, Ocho and the lead, and, and, and they weren't able to hold those squander it. I think the thing is, is that offensively I still believe they need another receiver outside of Zay. They've got to feel the hole at right guard. That right guard is just, ooh, Jesus. But I don't.

[Ocho]

He might get better. He might get better this offseason, huh? The right guard might get better this off season. Understanding and watching film, knowing how you embarrass yourself because your nameplate is on the back of that jersey. Every time you play and you snap, it's snap down. There's no way you watch film in the meeting rooms with your officer teammates, your officer lineman, and think you're gonna come back looking like that next year. That's embarrassing.

[Joe]

We ain't gonna be able to watch film today. So what happened to the machine? I don't know. Ocho. Do you know how bastard that is? Ocho? We've all been in meetings and, and they played, they played offensive series in front of the offense. The wide receivers are in there, the tight ends are in there, the running backs, the quarterback, we're in there, the offensive line and you f up. Yeah. Do you know how embarrassing that is? Now just imagine how many times they cut the film on and he getting run by.

[Ocho]

Hey, it's the same person over and over, over and over. Same one.

[Joe]

So I don't know. I think the thing is, is that we'll see. They don't have a first round pick. Are they done in free agency? Are they going to try to get another, Are they going to try to get Another wide receiver to go with Zay. I know they gave Bateman some money, but Bateman, I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened to him. Last year, Ojo, too many games, he disappeared and he dropped too many passes.

[Ocho]

They need a new center, too. You talk about the right, right tackle. Now they need, they got a new center.

[Joe]

Yeah, they do. But that right guard, Lord have mercy.

[Ocho]

I, I, hey, that's a big boy, too. That's a big boy.

[Joe]

Boy that terrible and big, Big and, and for no reason. Yeah. I think the thing is, is that, look, Lamar is like, I, I've never had it. No, Lamar, we know you don't make excuses, but I think sometimes what Dio is kind of alluding to is that people making excuses for you. You're not making excuses. You like, hey, we got to play better. I got to play better. The one thing I can say about you is that when you don't play well, you'll step to the mic and says, I got to play better. That's on me. I got to do a better job of seeing it. I got to do a better job of reacting. I got to be a better job of throwing the football and leading this football team. Lamar Jackson. I've never heard Lamar Jackson make any excuses. He's never placed the blame. But I think the thing is that we're talking about fan base that, that, that tries. Well, he doesn't have this or he doesn't have that. Look, they're going to pay him a king's ransom. He going to be the highest paid quarterback in the league. They went and got somebody on the defense. I don't think they can be done. Oh, I don't, I don't.

[Ocho]

No. Absolutely no.

[Joe]

I don't know if you can spend that.

[Ocho]

Got too many holes to fill, huh? They got too many holes.

[Joe]

I agree, I agree. I don't think you can spend that kind of money like you spent with Max Crosby, but I think you, you know, they got you, got you more people, man. You got to get some more and your corners, and I don't know what they're going to do with, with, with, with hump, but your corners got to play better. They just got to. And maybe they will play better because you're not going to have the time to pat the ball back there with cross.

[Ocho]

No, no.

[Joe]

So it's going to be very, very interesting. Like I said, I, I, I want Lamar to win one because I see when guys win one championship, how it feels like the, the, every the, the release that you get done it now I can really got the monkey.

[Ocho]

You got the monkey off your back.

[Joe]

Yes, Ocho, yes. Yes. And you know he's too good. I mean a three time mvp. He's a two time mvp. I still don't care what nobody say. And Josh was phenomenal. But not that year, not that year, not that year. But anyway, Lamar, go be Lamar and can you give us three games on Lamar Jackson in the playoffs? The Lamar Jackson that we've seen in the regular season. The guy that's, that, that's a two time league mvp. A guy that was in the running that finished second for in league mvp. Ocho, can he give us three games in which he plays like that? Because if he gives us three games where he plays like that, yeah, they get into the super bowl because he can single hand, single handedly lift the team, take over. Yes, absolutely. We've seen it throw for 400 yards. We've seen him run for 150. We've seen him do a combination where he throws for 235 and three touchdowns and runs 405 and give you another two touchdowns. So we've seen him, he got a big running back that can chew up clock that can chew up, that can chew up time. We just need, we just need that. We just need the guy that's a Superman number eight. We just need that guy to show up in the postseason. He shows up in the postseason. I think he'll put everything, everything that's been said about him negatively. I think he can put it to bed. I think he puts it to bed. But I like what the Ravens are doing. They're going for it. They're going to bring the, they're going to pay Lamar, I think they need another receiver. They need a right guard. I don't think they're done defensively. They're gonna fill some, fill some holes in over there and I think they'll definitely be better for it. Look, we, you see the Steelers are adding big wide receivers. You see what Cincinnati is doing defensively. They're trying to get better. Cleveland is Cleveland. We, we'll see what, we'll see what happens with Cleveland and where they are defensively. I think they're going to be good. I don't know who's going to be orchestrating the defense, but look, you got the two, you got a two time defensive player of the year. You got a top corner over there. That's a start. And you got the defensive rookie of the year. So you got some nice Pieces. Devin Bush is in Chicago now so you probably have to feel that, feel that hole. But they got some, they got some. They got a, they got a nice foundation defensively. I think the problem is for Cleveland's offensively, but we don't think Cleveland's in the class with, with the Baltimores or Cincinnati's or.

[Ocho]

No, they got a ways to go before they get to, before they get into that conversation. You think tomorrow, tomorrow is going to be a heavy day of movement like it was today?

[Joe]

Yeah, it'd be somewhat maybe not because everybody, you know, everybody getting that, that fast action. Now all these contracts are officially signed, sealed and delivered on Wednesday.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

But yeah, I think we'll see a frenzy. I think, I think we'll see some more. Some more things happen.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, but today was exciting. Boy. I put my notifications for Adam Schefter and the NFL loan on my ph. Yeah, I have no idea. Hey, I wanted to hear every time something came through I wanted to be the first. I wanted to know as soon as it happened.

[Joe]

So Ocho. The Tennessee Titans are signing ex Giants wide receiver Wandell Robinson 4 years $88 million. Robinson is set to reunite with Giants head coach Brian Dayball in Tennessee on a four year 78 million dollar deal. 38 million of it which is guaranteed. Robinson kicked off this big day to join the Titans who signed defensive lineman John Franklin Myers to a hefty three year deal. $63 million quarterback Alante Taylor to a three year 60 million dollar deal. The top the Titans spent a whopping $270 billion on free agents today. Ocho another Giant a notable ads former Giants Cordell float backup quarterback Mitchell Trubisky. Ocho, did the Titans do a number one do it do enough to support number one overall draft pick last year Cam Ward.

[Ocho]

Listen, I like Wanda Wright. I like what he did with the Giants last year. I'm sorry Ronda Robinson. I like what he did with the Giants last year. He had some flashes, flashes of brilliance. I think they still need to do more. They need to do more especially on the office on the offensive end to add more pieces or more weapons around Cam Ward. Calvin, really coming back, coming back from an injury. I'm not sure what's that going to look like. I'm not sure what the timetable is for his return but they still need a guy. I'm talking about, I'm talking about that, that I almost said the N word.

[Joe]

They need, they need that boy dog out there.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? One you can count on no matter what. But again, it's still early. This is, there's some other pieces that, that you, that you can continue to add. So I'm excited for Cam Ward. I just, I'm hoping that they do more and add more weapons around him so he doesn't have the issues like he had last year. There were, there were many issues offensively for them last year.

[Joe]

You're not, you could never have too many weapons for your quarterback at all. The Denver Broncos are bringing back running back J.K. dobbins on a 2, $20 million deal. The deal includes 8 million fully guaranteed. Dobbins led the Broncos and carries 153 rush yards, 772 and runs of at least 10 yards, 21. But he also didn't play after Nov. 6 because of a foot injury he suffered in Thursday night in the win over the Raiders. Last season, Dobbins played failed to play more than 10 games for the fourth time in his six year NFL career. In 2021, he missed a season because of a torn ACL and played just one game in 2023 before tearing his Achilles. Ocho, do you like this move?

[Ocho]

I mean, I like it, I like it. I'm not sure. I mean, oh, that's tough. Especially at that running back position. It's like, it's tough. I'm not sure what to say unless you're, you know, the, the elite of the elite. Are you going to make that much of a difference based on that position? Are you going to be that much better than what they already had? I'm trying to say it without being,

[Joe]

you know, they signed RJ Harvey. I think he was a, might have been a first round draft pick or a second round draft pick out of ucf. It's just, I think the thing is this, this is an okay deal. You didn't pay a whole lot of money. You only gave him 8 year, 8 million fully guaranteed. Based on his injury history, Ocho I couldn't go longer than that. I'm surprised they went two years. I probably would have went one year. But I understand spacing it out because you know the 8 million fully guaranteed. So you get to spread it out over two years. But based on his injury history, something tells me that he's going to miss time because he's missed time the last four years. Ocho, he didn't play after November 6th. You know how many games there's still games in December. They still had one regular season game in January. So he missed, he missed maybe seven games and Then you know, he coming off an ACL in 21, he turned Achilles injury in 23, he got nicked in 24, he's nicked in 25.

[Ocho]

He's asking me. Listen, when he's healthy though, he's had some flash.

[Joe]

Absolutely. Oh, absolutely.

[Ocho]

He's had some flashes with the Ravens, with the Broncos. I mean, I don't know. That's a tough one to talk about due to his injury history. I don't like bringing up people's history and how much they've been hurt and what they can offer a team. Obviously they feel he can do them some justice, which is why he's there.

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[Joe]

Calamari signed a one year contract with the Minnesota Vikings that will pay him 1.3 million. Remember, he's just done a tick under 37 million still guaranteed from the Arizona Cardinals, which has already been guaranteed. Murray has thrown 121 touchdowns, 60 interceptions and 32 rushing touchdowns in seven NFL season that's been plagued by injury. Ocho, are we going to see another Sam Donald story situation, the resurgence, a rebirth we saw that would also, yes, with Geno Smith, he leaves the jets as a resurgence. We see that with Sam Darnold, he leaves the jets as a resurgence. Can Kyler Murray parlay that success? Now, the success that Sam Darnold is unprecedented because he had won 14 wins with Minnesota. He leaves Minnesota, go to Seattle, wins another 14 games, and he wins the super bowl. On top of that, can we see that type of resurgence from Kyler Murray?

[Ocho]

I think so. And I think that not only is he going to have that resurgence, we're going to understand why situations matter. Where you go matters, the supporting cast, what they put around you, what they surround you with also matters. And it's very imperative for a quarterback success based on the weapons that's put around him. If you look at all the quarterbacks, you look what Sam Donald was able to do, you look what Daniel Jones was able to do from going for the New York Giants and going to the Indianapolis coach, not winning a Super bowl, but seeing the trajectory he was on and how he changed that franchise around in such a short amount of time because of the weapons that were around him. I think Kyler Murray is going to shock a lot of people. I see some of the jokes that are flying about his height, about him being short. I mean, that has nothing to do with playing the quarterback position, especially when you have elite talent around you like he has there.

[Guest Analyst]

Hey, go ahead.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Guest Analyst]

This was my pick for Kyler Murray from the start. When we first started talking about this Uncle Ocho and I was telling y', all, I was like, man. Cause Ocho was like, he wants to see Kirk Cousins go back. I'm like, nah, I want to see Kyler get a chance to, you know, have some awesome weapons, play with some great players, and I think he'll be great, be great in that offense. Not just for a drop back passer, but a guy who can improvise back there and make something when it's nothing. You know what I mean? I, I, I, I love Kyle in this situation. I think he's gonna have much success. You know, I know some Vikings fans, they happy, so good luck to him, man. I'm looking forward to seeing this young dude get back to you.

[Joe]

I don't know if you know this, but if you're gonna be hard pressed to find a quarterback that's had better weapon than Kyler Murray. You know who he started with? La Fitzgerald is Larry Fitzgerald going to the hall of Fame, Ocho. And then he had DeAndre Hopkins. Is DeAndre Hopkins any good? And they need to retrain McBride. Is Trey McBride any good?

[Ocho]

He's the best in the league.

[Joe]

And now he has Justin Jefferson. So you're going to be hard pressed, Ocho, to find a quarterback that's had more stable weapons than what he's had. His only issue is, and I've said this from the very jump, he is a small man. Injuries have plagued him. I mean, bro, when you're 180, 190 pounds. Okay, let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho And Joe, he's 200, 200 at 5 9, 5, 10. So they, they, if when they hit you, you hit the dirt, they fall on top of you. Yeah. So that has been his problem, his being able to stay healthy. I believe if he stays healthy, guys, I agree with you guys. I think he can play really, really well. But that is a big if. That is a. That's the caveat. That is the question. Can he stay healthy? Because over seven years he has not been able to do that O. Joe, right?

[Ocho]

Yeah. I mean, obviously he had injuries. Obviously, you know, that's a part of the game. It's a part of the game. And hopefully being that he's able to improvise, like Joe said, that being that he's able to play off script so well and he doesn't have to hold the ball that long because of the weapons that are surrounding him now, you name some great individuals. Some great individuals. DeAndre Hopkins. You know, Larry, I forgot.

[Joe]

A.J. green played there too, didn't he, Ocho?

[Ocho]

Oh, that's right. He sure did. But, but, but listen, we, we're speaking to individuals, right? You know, in singular form. So now you have multiple of those same type of weapons. You know, Justin Jefferson, one of the best, top three in the NFL. T.J. hawkinson, one of the better tight ends also in the NFL. Jordan Addison. You know who? I think if he was another team, he could be, he could almost be a one. You know, he's, he's borderline one slash two. You know, he can get, he can get, he can get it done, too. So I'm excited for him. As long as the play calling, the coaches play to Kyler Murray strengths.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And find a way to hide whatever weaknesses he may have. If that might be a height, so be it. There are ways around that. Could we see Baker Mayfield do it? Baker. Baker Mayfield also shortened height, has had much success.

[Joe]

Baker Mayfield has been able to stay on the field. I think you went out. Ocho you can't hear. Yeah, yeah. I think the thing is, Ocho, is that again, Baker's been able to stay healthy. Kyler has to be your best ability, no matter whether it's arm, whether you can run four, two, it doesn't matter. You had a huge catch radius. You can block. You can block the guy out of the film. Availability is the best ability because it doesn't have you do any good.

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If you.

[Joe]

If you got a huge catch radius, you can score all these points. You can throw for 500 yards if you're on the sideline. I've never seen a guy complete a pass from the sideline. I've never seen one catch a touchdown, get a sack or block anybody or run a touchdown. So his thing is, he's going to have to find a way to stay on the field. Don't be afraid. Know when the journey's over. Throw that blink on and get out of blind. Blinkle, blinkle, blink. I'm right up out of bounds, slide down on that turn. You were a baseball player. You're the number eight pick in the draft. Slide right. You don't have to. Once you get to this, this. This level, guys. Sometimes guys try to prove how tough they are. You don't get to this level without having some level of toughness. I'm going to pick and choose when I display that toughness. Hey, a fourth down, we gotta have it. Got it. Third down. Gotta have it. O. Joe. Got it.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But, hey, first and second down, we ain't gotta have that. We got a third. We got a second down and a third down to get that O joke. And Joe, no, sir. Think that's the thing that Kyler has to do. He has to stay on the football field. But injuries, you know, be it knee, be it angle, you know, he tore. I think. I think he tore his acl. Oo he had some shoulder issues. He have. He's had some issues that he's gonna have to get resolved in order for him to be the type of player, because we've seen flashes of it. Rookie of the year, a Pro Bowler. So we've seen that he's more than capable. He has the ability, even at his small stature, he can get the job done. He just needs to be on the field more often in order to do it.

[Guest Analyst]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

What does this mean for Jason? Hey, what you mean as a top 10 pick? Oo

[Ocho]

I. I told you what I told you yesterday.

[Joe]

You said, hey,

[Ocho]

hey, if Kyler Murray goes to the Minnesota Vikings for one, he's not going to beat out J.J. mcCarthy. J.J. i mean, excuse me, J.J. mcCarthy. He's going to beat J.D. mcCarthy out. Let's start there, right? When Anthony Richardson was with the Indianapolis Colts and they bought Daniel Jones in on a one year, what did that, what did that tell you?

[Guest Analyst]

Insurance.

[Ocho]

It's the same. It's the same deal. It's the same deal. I mean those that understand this business and understand how things work and how things operate. Kyler Murray with his back against the wall on a one year deal for vet minimum. Even though the co. Even though the Cardinals owe him 38 million, he f. To play all balls to the wall. You hear me? He gonna have a great season. How could you not if Sam Donner can do it?

[Joe]

You know, I agree with you.

[Guest Analyst]

I agree with you.

[Ocho]

So can goddamn Kyler Murray. And I'm not, I'm not saying, you know, Sam Donald obviously a Super bowl winning quarterback, but again, situations matter. And what he did is in Minnesota while he was there. Kyler Murray can repeat that just in a different way because it's a different kind of quarterback.

[Joe]

Baker Mayfield is another one that had success after leaving a situation. We saw him leave Cleveland, we saw him leave Carolina. He goes to the Rams for one game, have success and he's had success. Kind of took a little step back, maybe with some injuries. Mike Evans missed a large chunk of the season. Buca ends up tweaking his hamstring. He wasn't the same player but, but we've seen Baker has the resurgence and look more, more than adequate. Looks like a, a, a playoff win. Even though he did win a playoff game when he was in, in, in Cleveland. So I think, you know, my, my only concerns is, is that knowing this offense, you're going to probably have to do a little bit more stuff on the, on the move. Oo because you got to get him outside.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

Cause he is small. I mean if you try to make him just throw the ball from the pocket, he gonna be hitting lineman in the ass with the football. Cause he ain't but so tall.

[Ocho]

So.

[Joe]

But the thing is that you can do is that you can. Hey, run some boots with him. Run. Go ahead. Oh, you can run some booze. You can run play fakes. You look, you can throw between lineman.

[Guest Analyst]

Drew.

[Joe]

It wasn't like Drew Brees was six, five and the second. He had the second most touchdowns, the second most passing yard, the most 5,000 yard passing seasons in NFL. In NFL history. Kyler Murray is, is plenty good enough to get it done if he can Stay on the field.

[Ocho]

Hey, a lot of people, Joe and Unc, they always talk about his height. And obviously when it comes to the game of football, even if you're short, it's all about finding the windows. It's all about finding windows and throwing and throwing in space, throwing receivers open. So as long as his anticipatory skills are on point, I think they'll be able to do some drop back stuff. Matter of fact, he doesn't even need to be dropped back. Have him in a goddamn gun.

[Joe]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Give, give, give it, give him an advantage and having him in the gun so he doesn't have to worry about, you know, what's in front of him.

[Joe]

Well, I, I think he take a, a snap from under center. Most of these guys, I mean if it's, if it's what fourth down ode up on the center, but for the most part, damn near everybody in the gun. Now it's a. Yeah. I'm trying to think who, who mainly takes a lot of. I think Ben Johnson makes his guys. I think they, they. Ben Johnson there might be Kyle Shanahan, might be that, that system, you spend a lot of time up under the center, but for the most part now these guys are in, you know, they got zone read stuff calling. They're taking shotgun snaps.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Kyler said he grew up a die hard fan of the team and cried when Brett far threw an intercession in the 2009 championship game. Genuine fandom ran deep. Vikings gear through and through. A lot of purple in my household. I mean, I mean consider he's a Texas kid. You'd have thought, you know, the Cowboys, you'd have thought the Houston Texans. But he said, hey, I'm a vice.

[Ocho]

I mean everybody has a story. Everybody had a story for some reason when they go to a new team,

[Joe]

for some reason that was their favorite team.

[Ocho]

That was their favorite team for some reason. Listen, if I see a picture of Kyler Murray and some Minnesota Viking stuff when he was a little kid, I believe that way

[Joe]

we, well, we definitely were Steelers fans in my household because I took a picture. I think it might have been third grade in a Franco Harris jersey.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Guest Analyst]

So hey, hey, this is gonna be, this is gonna be perfect timing for cow man.

[Joe]

All he has to do is just play. Well, you see what Daniel Jones did, he took a one. Now he took a one year deal. Well, he took a one year deal, 14 million. But he had had the guaranteed money when he went to Minnesota because of the Giants. So now he took the One year deal. Hey, who knows? He can get a. He can get a 50 million dollar guarantee deal next year. A two year deal worth 100 million. He can get one of those. Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold's deal, three years plus incentives. I think Sam Darnold maxed out at about $4 million, $5 million in incentives, plus an easy 30. So that's 35 million. So he's more than capable. And he had him. He had a big deal.

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So now he can't be no more than like 28. I mean. 28.

[Ocho]

Yeah. He going. He gonna get another one.

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, definitely gonna get it. Think, think about it, Think about it. You have to be really bad. You have to be really bad to have that kind of supporting cash, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Still stink it up. Yeah, you just do.

[Joe]

No, you got to be really, really bad. If you're a quarterback and you can't find gainful employment, you got to really suck, Ocho. Cause you know how many opportunities. I mean, quarterbacks got like a cat. They got nine lives.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. I mean, it's not like other positions after like a couple of teams, you bounce around Ocho, man, you find yourself in the usfl. I mean the ufl. Yeah, a quarterback. Quarterback. Go like, got about seven jerseys hung up on his wall, all of them his.

[Guest Analyst]

Hey, listen, due to what Ocho said, you know, with his back being against the wall, you know what I mean, he really, he gotta show up this year. I mean, this is basically like a one year deal. Especially if you want to continue to play, continue to be a starring quarterback. He gotta show him what he got. I think he'll put his best foot forward.

[Joe]

Man.

[Guest Analyst]

He tough. He can play, man. Just sometimes perfect timing, you know, the timing, situations, different guys, you know, just somehow some way, sometimes it pans out for the right reasons.

[Joe]

Well, Joe, you were during football season, they played the Cowboys and Ocho and they had beat the Cowboys, but Jacoby Brissette started. I say Ocho. Yeah, yeah, I know Kyler Murray gonna be hurt a little longer, and I'm not so sure he gonna get that job back when he. When he's healthy.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And I'd be damned if the coach didn't come out and say, Jacoby Brissette's gonna go to carry it all the way. You know, it's just a matter of time. Here's the number one overall draft pick. He's supposedly healthy. And you mean to tell me Jacoby Brissette and you know, Jacoby Brissett Is not going to take you anywhere. But you feel he gives you the best chance to win. Ocho, you know Calvin's going after this year.

[Ocho]

Yeah, absolutely. And Jacoby was Joe. And boy, Jacoby was dealing, putting up crazy.

[Joe]

He wasn't winning no games, but he

[Ocho]

was dealing with dealing.

[Joe]

You found out a lot about Michael Wilson. He can play. He can play. Hey, Marvin Harris Jr. You got to get on your game. Cause just because they drafted. Got to get an eight, the number one. Yeah, Michael Wilson is playing like the number one.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, I think he gonna be all right. He just gotta get out his head. Yeah, he gotta get out of his head. And you know what? I don't like, I'm not a fan of it. That when he was at, when Marvin Harrison Jr. Was at Ohio State. Yeah, he had somewhat of a slender frame. And then he went into off season Unk. He bulked up and he was huge.

[Guest Analyst]

You think that took a little bit of his elusiveness away?

[Ocho]

I think so. It might. I mean, when you get that big, it take, it takes something from you. Obviously, you're a lot stronger. You're a lot stronger. But I think for, for, for him and, and what made him gritted what he did at Ohio State, you know, he was a lot more fluid and a lot more graceful than what he does. But when you put on that kind of, that kind of muscle.

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah,

[Ocho]

you know, just, I don't know.

[Joe]

Yeah, I agree with Jojo. I, I, I can't say, I can't say that. You know, his slender, florent frame,

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[Joe]

bigger than his dad. Now, his dad wasn't any size, but he's a lot, I mean, he's a much larger man than what his dad was. And so I don't know, Ocho. And maybe he thought, maybe he thought that's what he needed. Maybe he thought the physicality, because the NFL game is a lot more physical. You've got to be able to play through contact. People don't just let you run freely. They're going to see, they're going to test you. Now I got to see if you can play through this contact. Once they find out you can't play through contact, they're gonna sit right down in the chair in front of you.

[Ocho]

Hey, they in your face every time. They in your face every time.

[Joe]

You got to prove it. You got guys all of a sudden. No, Joe ain't got no damn business up in press coverage trying to press because they don't think you can. Hey, we get that. Everybody get A scouting report.

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

What he can do, what he likes to do, what he likes to run on this side, what he likes to run on that side, his best routes. So they're gonna have to figure this. Gonna have to figure it out. But I hope Kylie, you know, hope Kylie can stay healthy. And I agree with every. I think we're all unanimous up here. If he's healthy, JJ McCarthy is not beating him out.

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah, I agree.

[Ocho]

Not a chance in hell that boy gonna play.

[Joe]

The New York jets quarterback Geno Smith vowed to be better than ever. In his second stint with the team. Geno said, I still have tons of years left on my body and to play this game and I want to continue to try to maximize it and so believe the jets are getting better players than when I was in Seattle and I know that for a fact. In fact, the jets are hoping Geno can stabilize the quarterback position. They traded for him Tuesday, bringing him back to where his career began in 2013. He was their second round pick that year, became day one starter and started 29 games over his first two seasons before moving into a backup role. When asked about the return to New York, Gino said, I don't think anyone could have imagined that, honestly. But that's the beauty of life itself.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

What you thinking, Ocho?

[Ocho]

I mean, listen, Gino going back to New York, we obviously know not very many quarterbacks have had success, you know, playing for the New York Jets. Obviously from top to bottom, they've been somewhat of a bad organization and putting the pieces, the correct pieces around to build a winning team, a winning organization. For Geno Smith going back there, he gonna have to have an out of body experience every goddamn week. Hey, Joe, Uncle Joe. He's gonna have to have an out of body experience every goddamn week and elevate all those around him. Obviously you have Garrett Wilson, you have Breece hall back. I'm not sure. Obviously we have the draft coming up. I'm not sure there's anybody in the draft that they can draft that can come in and make an immediate impact and make them that much better. But everything's going to have to be on Geno. He going to have to be much better than he's ever been before. I don't care about what he did in the past. I don't care what he did with Las Vegas. I don't care what he did in Seattle. I'm talking about right now with the New York Jets. Geno Smith is going to have to play his best football to date.

[Guest Analyst]

Hey, uncle Oo, they must got a lot of draft picks, the Jets. I'm saying for them to give up, you know, two of the best defensive guys, you know, from. From last season did what they get in return. Like, do Gino got any weapons? Like, what are you dealing with outside

[Ocho]

of Gary, when they. Well, Dallas. Dallas got Quinn and Williams. What. What did they get for Quinn?

[Joe]

They gave him first. They got a first.

[Guest Analyst]

Oh, they got. That's what man, they got.

[Joe]

They got two first, okay. They got two first, okay. They got. Remember, Ocho, they traded late in the season for A.D. mitchell. So they got A.D. now, that boy, he play now?

[Ocho]

Yeah, he could play.

[Guest Analyst]

They need to.

[Joe]

They need the offensive line. They need to protect. Yeah. Listen, we can make a. We can make a long story short, or we can make a short story long. I'm gonna keep it brief. They need a lot of good players. It comes down to that.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Seattle won the super bowl because they got good players and they got a lot of them.

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You have a scheme. You get players to fit your scheme. Now, the thing is, if you got a player that's so like, so, so immensely talented. You know what, son? I'm gonna find something. You to do. Even worry is a prime example. He's a strong safety. He don't play like that. They blitz him. They do a lot of different things with him because he's that versatile. I'm gonna put our best players in the position to make plays.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Jsn, I'm a moving. I'mma line his ass up in the backfield and throw him a sale rock for a touchdown. I'm gonna put him in the slot. I'm gonna stack him, I'm gonna zip motion. I'm gonna do a lot of different things with him. Rasheed Shahid can take the top off it. Okay, let's throw it. Let's run a. Let's run a jet suite. Let's run a reverse. Ready? Let's put him on a goalball. The more good players you have, the more thing. The more dynamic your offense or your defense is, the better you are as a team. I don't give a damn who your coach is. You don't got good players, man. You waste your time. Yeah, you wasted your time. And the jets need a lot of good players. They're bad. They're poorly constructed, they're poorly run. Organization ain't no way around that. I'm not breaking news to anybody. Y' all know that. For you to be bad that long, everybody's turned it around except Them everybody's going to the playoff. When last time the Jazz made the playoffs when they had Mark Sanchez was the quarterback, hell, that was like 2009.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah. It's about their time to come back on around.

[Ocho]

Man, they had a crazy defense back then, boy.

[Joe]

Yes, but look what they. Look at the defensive players that they had. They had Crow, they had Reavis, they had David Muhammad, Wilkinson. Look at, look at, look at the players that they had. I think, I think Pace, Calvin Pace was on that team. Look at the players that they had. Yeah, they ain't got that now. Yeah, they were a run first team. They pound you ground and pound. That's what they called it. They had Damon, Woody, had got Brick. They don't have that. So until they figured, until they figure that out and get better personnel, you ain't gonna do nothing. You're not right is too good. And there is no defensive coordinator, offensive coordinator, no head coach Ocho that can overcome talent. If you are in a talent deficit, you are going to get beat.

[Ocho]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

[Joe]

Ocho. Bears general manager Ryan Polls confirmed today that the team was interested in trading for Max Crosby before he was traded to the Baltimore Ravens, a deal that ended up being called off. We were involved. We checked in, we looked to see if, if it made sense. Poll said had some dialogue. I'll leave it at that. Ocho, does Max Crosby end up staying at the Raiders this year?

[Ocho]

You know what? Hey, hey, Unc. At this point, I'm not sure. At this point, I'm not sure. Especially when a situation like this happens, one that I've really never seen before. I'm sure it's happened before. Not the date since I've been involved with the NFL. But for the Ravens to decline in trading for Matt Crosby and sending him back to the Raiders, what messages does that send to the other teams?

[Joe]

Especially he ain't going for no first round picks.

[Ocho]

Right. Especially for the team that are in contention that would, that would want a player like Matt Crobby who's going to make an immediate impact if healthy. Well, hell, even if he's not healthy, he made an impact when he wasn't healthy as well. So we saw what he did when he was obviously injured. But I don't know, Unc, at this point, most of the time I'm able to say, you know what, it's for sure he's not going to be a Raider. But once he went back and I'm thinking depending on this just decreases his value.

[Joe]

Yeah, sure.

[Guest Analyst]

Why wouldn't the Raiders Want him back, though, Uncle Ojo.

[Joe]

Well, I think the thing is what Joe, when they. When they started to build this roster, they anticipated him not being there, so they signed it. A lot of players in. They thought they was going to have his 30 plus million dollars off the books.

[Ocho]

Off the books.

[Joe]

And so they were thinking also draft compensation. Now all of a sudden we got two first rounders, two this year, two next year. Now they got one this year in one next year, which is their own. So they were like, okay, we're going to build this team. And I like this. And I image Clint Kubiak and Spychek and. But what it does it just like anything, once somebody tells you like, hey, this is damaged. He not getting two. He's not going for two first rounders. He's not.

[Guest Analyst]

So what I'm asking is, does. Does he does his salary still?

[Joe]

No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he back on their books. Yeah, he back on their books.

[Guest Analyst]

Even though they didn't assign the mother.

[Joe]

Yes, yes. So you got a factor that if

[Guest Analyst]

they keep him, then they probably they gonna have salary problems, basically.

[Joe]

Well, they could. What they could do is convert that, put boardable years, add two years and then turn into. Turn a large chunk of that into a signing bonus. You kick the can down the road, but you give yourself some relief right now.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And that's what you see. You see what the Cowboys did with Rashawn Gary Ocho? They added a couple voidable years, took his number down. Now he. They freed up $13 million in cap space.

[Ocho]

Yep. They front loaded. Yep.

[Joe]

It's a bad situation. I feel bad. I feel bad for Max. I feel bad for the Raiders because I can just imagine, Ocho, you're in the building. Just imagine you're in the building and they tell you it's not gonna happen.

[Ocho]

All right, that has to.

[Joe]

What, the knee. Yeah, we know, but we see some degeneration that we think is going to be long. That's. That's further along than we'd like.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Guest Analyst]

Man, can y' all imagine what that feeling is like? Like, you know, having to go back to your team. It's almost similar to the Don connect situation for the Lakers.

[Joe]

Yep, that's exactly right. You. Yeah, yeah.

[Guest Analyst]

You know, they traded him to. To Charlotte for that Mark Williams cat.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Guest Analyst]

And he failed his physical and then Dalton connect had to come back. Man, that's got to be a. It's got to be a messed up. Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, you know. Hey, hey, hey, Joe O. Jo. Hey, I'm gone. That's new thing over here. I'm going with her then she put you out, baby. I'm back. Hold on. What you mean? You know, I would just. I would just play it.

[Guest Analyst]

Hey, long as they check clear on the first and 15, you go.

[Joe]

You going back, Joe? I'm back. Hey, I'm back.

[Guest Analyst]

Hey, hey, look. Yeah, we can play 2 on 2 at practice.303. Whatever y' all we need to do to keep everybody right. But listen here, boy, please. I'm trying to crank this rotation, I think.

[Joe]

And the thing is, look, Ocho, we talked about it. Joe, we talked about, say, hey, Chicago, Chicago should make a play for it. Cause he definitely.

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe]

In that division with the quarterback play. Jordan Love, Jared Goff. You need somebody that's going to pressure the quarterback consistently. You don't consistently pressure the quarterback. I like, I like the Bears. That offense is only going to get better. Caleb Williams is only going to improve.

[Ocho]

Only going to get better. Yeah.

[Joe]

So now I need somebody on the defensive side that, that I know can win one on one. And he's tremendous at the run. I mean, there are a lot of guys that can rush the quarterback. And a lot of times guys, they want to rush the quarterback because that's how you make big money. Run stuffers at the end, they don't make no money. Guys that get the quarterback, guys that protect the quarterback, left tackle the guy that go attack the quarterback. Edge rushers, that's where the money is. Cause somebody, hey, somebody got to protect the cashier. The ball, the ball, that's the quarterback. Somebody got to protect it. The bank robber, which is rush in. Somebody got to be able to get in there and get out. That's why you see the Miles Garrett and the T.J. watts and all those. The Aiden Hutchinson and the Michael and the Michael Parsons. Now you see the 38, 40, 46 million dollar guys and Laramie Tunsil making 30 million, 31 million to protect the blind side. Big money.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Guest Analyst]

Game changers. You got to, huh, Ocho, that type of money there for game changer, man.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

That's why I say I can make a case that LT is the greatest player to ever play the game because he made two position famous, the left tackle and the edge. Nobody else can say they made two position famous. He did. Because if you didn't have a left tackle, you couldn't beat the Giants. And then everybody went and got an LT where you think the mouth. Even though Miles is an end, he's an edge. Lt was a three, four. He was a stand up linebacker. So all these Derrick Thomas and Devon millers and the T.J. watts, all these guys that you see the, the Andersons, who you think that came from the left tackle. When you see the Laramie, Tulsa and Big T Dub and my A lotta and all these guys where you think they got it? Yeah, the Giants. Cause if you couldn't do, you couldn't do it with lt. You couldn't beat the Giants. You couldn't. Joe Gibbs put a. Joe Gibbs changed his entire offense. He brought in the H back because they couldn't do anything with lt. So it's like, hey, we got to get an extra tight end on the field. Joja, Kobe, Jim Lachey, all them guys, all those guys, Gary Zimmerman, Steve Wallace, everybody in the NFC went, got a left tackle to deal with him.

[Ocho]

He was the real deal.

[Joe]

And then after that, everybody started getting a little T. You got an Andre Tippett, you got a Cornelius Bennett, you got a Derrick Thomas, everybody started getting those guys. That's how good he was. After four years with the Ravens, Tyler Linderbaum is joining a new squad. Adam Schefter reports the center has agreed. Three years, $81 million with the Raiders. The deal includes 60 million guaranteed. An average value, the most ever, the most ever for an NFL interior alignment. 27 million a year. But things got interesting when Kyle Hammond and celebrated his teammate getting the bag on ag. As the Raven fan tweeted, Sometimes I wonder if Kyle Hamilton. Kyle Hamilton hates the Ravens. Guy shares the most likely signing but not like comment or share relation to Crosby or other Ravens news. Maybe I'm overreacting, but it's something I've noticed for a while now.

[Ocho]

I mean, I mean I'm confused. Didn't they come in together celebrating what

[Joe]

they drafted in the same draft? I think Hamilton was one and then he came in, he came in like later. Wasn't it in the same draft? And Marlon Humphrey tweeted from the fan account saying, you're not overreacting. He's exactly who you think he is. I know him personally. Ocho, what going on?

[Ocho]

I don't. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's one. It's one. I'm confused. I'm confused. I'm not in that locker room, you know, I'm on the outside looking in just like you. So I'm finding out things that are going on over there just like you are now. I can't pinpoint what the problem is. I'm not sure. What the problem is celebrating someone, you know, getting their deal that was a part of your team. That's weird. It was weird to me. But the fact that someone's watching close enough to be able to notice from the outside looking in, that. That says a lot.

[Joe]

I mean,

[Ocho]

Marlon Humphrey still there, ain't he?

[Joe]

And he says you're not overreacting. He's exactly who you think he is. I know him personally, certain thing. Look, you might be joking, but everybody don't take jokes the same way that you take them. Now, look, I understand that you want to congratulate because they were in the same draft. They were both first round draft picks. I think Kyle Hamilton went, right? And then I think he went, what, 22. I think he went later. Or was he a second round pick? Okay, so. So. And I get your draft made. I mean, you're happy for you. I mean, guys that you came in with, Ocho, you happy all of them didn't stay the whole while that you were in town. They go other places you're happy for. And, And I don't know. I don't know how you handle. Obviously, we didn't have social media like this. They didn't have no Twitter and stuff like that, so. But I would be. I'd have been happy. Hey, congrats, boy. Hey, hey, hey. Let your boy hold something. Let me get a loan I can't pay back. You know, I'm gonna say something funny like that. You know what I'm saying, don't you? Because I'm happy. But I. I don't. I don't want to read too much into this chat, y' all reading. Are we, you know, underreacting? Are we? Oh, or is. Is they. Are they overreacting? I'm not sure how to feel about this.

[Ocho]

Hey, he might. He might. He might be trolling. Yeah, he might be trolling.

[Joe]

You're right, Ocho. You might be. So I. Like I said, I'm not. I'm not really, like I said, when it comes to Marlon Humphrey, I don't really know. I. I don't know how. How, how we're supposed to take this, But look, if he just like you're not overreacting. This is exactly who you think he is. And then if he. I think he might be trolling too, Ocho, because he says I know him personally. Had he just left it open ended. I know he's exactly who you think he is, right? I probably like. But I think. I think he's trolling. I do, I do. I Think Kyle Hamilton is sincerely happy for a classmate. They came in in the same draft. One was for Kyle was 14 and Linda Bomb was 25. So yeah, I'm not, I'm not taking too much of it. I mean, everything, I don't know, I just think the thing is with you, you, you try to, you try to give kudos to somebody and then somebody think you, you taking a shot at your former team.

[Ocho]

Taking a shot? Yeah, at your own team.

[Joe]

Like they didn't pick up his fifth year option because they felt the fifth year option was about 24 billion, which is about 5 to 6 million more than what Creed Humphrey, which is the highest paid center's making. And once they didn't pick up that, you know damn well if they weren't gonna pay the man, they weren't gonna pay the 23.5 or, or the 24 million.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

You know damn well they wasn't about to pay 27 million with 60 million guaranteed.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

And they just, and you know, you just gave up what you gave up to get Cross Crosby. And they're talking about the, the type of contract that you're gonna have to give Lamar.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Oh, hey. What? Well, Lamar, boy would he finish what he finna get.

[Joe]

That job he gonna get, he gonna get 62.62mil a year. 62 a year. What Josh Allen get? What, what, what did Josh Allen, what was Josh Allen guaranteed? Give me, hey, ojo. Give me 50 more than Josh. Little 50 hole be. Hold me over.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

[Joe]

That's 62 and 50 more than what Josh Allen got. Josh Allen got 275. I got 275.50.

[Ocho]

I like it.

[Joe]

Yeah, but I, I, look, I, I, I'm, I'm not gonna read too much into this. Ocho. The coach traded Michael Pittman Jr. To the Pittsburgh Steelers. The ste. Hey, let's go pick three year, 59 million dollar deal. The news comes shortly after the coach decided to Give Alex Pierce 4 years $116 million to keep him in Indy. Oo the Steelers now have the second best wide receiver duo in the AFC North. They got some big guys. Pittman is 64 DK 6,364, 225, 230 DK about 230. They definitely got the biggest receivers.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I like it, I like it. Listen, Michael Pittman Jr. Been, he's been really solid the past few years. Last year he had 80 catching for 74, 784 yards, seven TDs. The year before 2024, he has 69 for 808 and three TDs. So he's been solid. He's been decent, you know, over the years. Been a great option, you know, for the Indianapolis Colts. Now going over to the Pittsburgh Steelers. But still now you got two receivers. You got two big receivers that. Well, obviously a little bit more upside with DK Metcalf, but you got two big receivers, but you still need somebody else. You still need somebody else. Along with that.

[Joe]

I think they lost game well. They lost game well, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Game well. But somebody else came, if I'm not mistaken. Right.

[Joe]

I don't know.

[Ocho]

I could have swore. I could have swore I saw a running back go to. Go to the Steelers. But outside of that, you still need another, another receiver.

[Joe]

Another option with to.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Rico Doubt. From the Panthers. From the Panthers, that's right. Rico Dowdle went. You still need another option receiver that does things differently that big receivers that big receivers do. I mean, so you can't have the same everything at the receiver position. Who's the quarterback? Who's the quarterback? I like the move, you know, and, and Pittman as a weapon. But, but who's going to be your quarterback?

[Joe]

I know. I don't know. I think they might be hoping that Aaron Rodgers come back. I don't know if they. Cause Kenny Pickett.

[Ocho]

Kenny Pickett, he went to the Panthers.

[Joe]

Okay?

[Ocho]

He went to the Panthers.

[Joe]

One year deal. Yep.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

I don't think. I don't think Rudolph is coming back. So it looks like they might be in the same situation that they were last year. Ocho putting all the eggs in one in Aaron Rodgers basket.

[Ocho]

I mean, listen, that 42 year old quarterback, or maybe, maybe the B. 43 old quarterback is better than every option that's out there.

[Joe]

Could be.

[Ocho]

Regard regards to a chat. Chat. I mean, am I wrong? Am I wrong? Is Aaron Rodgers a better option at quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers than everyone else that's available? I mean, I'm just being honest. So he has again the Steelers by the balls. Well, at damn near his entire career he's had everybody by the balls because he has the power. He controls, you know, the situation because he knows they need him. So I'm so exc. I'm so excited. Hey, boy, I slept by 78 hours a day.

[Joe]

Boy,

[Ocho]

I went and worked out today. I. I'm. Oh my goodness.

[Joe]

Unless they go into the draft, I mean, who knows? I don't know.

[Ocho]

The. The answer ain't in the draft.

[Joe]

They might figure. Look, if we can get Aaron Rogers back For a year and we save Ty Simpson or one of these quarterbacks that can come out and learn up them for a year.

[Ocho]

Ooh, right, right, right, right, right.

[Joe]

But they Steelers got to figure it out. Aaron Rodgers can't keep coming, y' all can't keep bringing Aaron Rodgers back on one year deals. He ain't gonna play forever.

[Ocho]

I mean they, they have Will Howard, but if Will Howard was the answer, if, if he was the answer would

[Joe]

be hoping Aaron Rodgers come back. We better be known that we'd love to have Aaron back.

[Ocho]

Right? They would move on. They would move on.

[Joe]

25 year old linebacker Nicobe Dean signed with the Las Vegas Raiders, reportedly agreeing to a three year deal worth 36 million. But it wasn't the length of the contract or the money that sued him. According to NFL Insider Jane Slater Dallas was actually very competitive in the bidding for Dean's talent and made an offer that was very similar to that made by the Raiders. Dean apparently said he could see himself in both places. In the end though, ultimately he went with his gut feeling and picked Las Vegas by what he described as to her as a 5149 margin. Ocho choosing the Raiders over the Cowboys. I mean both no incomes tax in either state.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. I, I, I, I don't know, I don't know. I'm not sure what, what went about when it came down to making his decision at the end. Cowboys defense, that's tough. I, I, I would love to, to, to, to, to be a fly on the wall to understand those conversations he had with his agent and when he ch. And why is it, is it what Las Vegas is building? Is it a belief in them? Understanding that they've cleaned house in a sense and they're going in a different direction and trying to compete, you know, in the, in the afc, AFC West.

[Joe]

Right.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And trying to get better understanding what they're going to do in the draft and getting a quarterback. I'm not sure. There's so many factors that play into it when it comes to making a decision of this magnitude that's going to affect your career. Especially when you go and play. Not to choose the Cowboys, the illustrious, the product that sells itself with a star on its helmet. Cowboys that have been relevant since, I mean what, who long, who knows? They move the needle.

[Joe]

They do.

[Ocho]

To not want to come play there. To not want to come play there. I mean it had to be something.

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe]

When you know Clint Kubiak, you know, they signed a couple of guys, they're trying, they're trying to build. They got, they got two first rounders, we know that. And they got two next year, we know that. So you get an opportunity and they got money, they got money to spend. So if you, if you, if you hit it, if you hit, get the right free agents, you look at what New England did, they miss the playoffs. They signed Milton Williams and they signed Stefan Diggs and they signed a few back, Mac Hollands, you know, and you go the draft and you draft, you get a, a Henderson and you make a, a few right moves oo and you right back in business. Raiders can have that success. Now obviously your quarterback's gonna have to play really well for you, but if you make yes, right free agency, hit this thing in the draft. Now the, the, the jury is still out on your left tackle. I think he can be good. You know, you hear people talking about his sense. He's like, no, he does get overpowered. The guy, the bull, and maybe that's his left knee. Maybe he can't sit down on that knee. He needs the off season to get that knee healthy and be able to sit down. He does give up the edges because he got his ass handed to him. There's nowhere around. He got his ass handed to him in the postseason. He did. You saw, you saw the Texans hand him his ass. Now, now there were premium pass rushes now, Benito.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they do everybody like that.

[Joe]

Not no slouches.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they do.

[Joe]

Everybody but you, the left tackle, you got to hold your own right.

[Ocho]

Hey, that's your money spot. Yeah, that's your money spot. Your money spot always got to be your weak link.

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