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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
So I can breathe. Why do you need to breathe? So I can think. If I can breathe if I can breathe, I can think. If I can think if I can think if I can think then I can win the Beast Rigid R now
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Baby, what's happening?
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Oh, slow motion. Better than no motion. Stay in motion. Hey, please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap Podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Each and every one of you, each and every one of us at the Nightcap family would like to thank each and every one of you that have subscribed that watch, that have talked about, that have watched us, that have retweeted something that we've done. Because none of this at Nightcap is possible without you. You make this possible. Ocho and I and Joe can tell stories all we want, but if no one is watching, if nobody's laughing, if nobody's entertained, informed or educated, it doesn't mean anything. So we sincerely thank you from the bottom of our hearts and so thank you again for your support. Those looking to purchase a bottle of Shea by Laportier head over to laportierconac.com if it's currently unavailable. Any state or city near you. It is a premium BSOP Cognac, the smoothest, best tasting VSOP cognac on the market. Just try it. Compared against other cognacs you may have had or you're looking to try, I guarantee you Che by laportier is the smoothest, best tasting cognac on the market. Please, please drink responsibly and stay safe. Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobley helped the Cavaliers hold off the Hawks 122116 Donovan Mitchell scored 31 points. Evan Mobley almost had a 2020 game. He had 22 points and tied a career high with 19 rebounds. James Harden chipped in with 21 points. The Cavs have won four straight and seven of eight. Cleveland 51 and 29 can finish no lower than fourth place in the Eastern Conference and they're currently a half game behind the Knicks for third. The Hawks have dropped two of the two, have dropped their last two. After winning four straight. They're one game ahead of Toronto for the fifth seed, but only one and a half game in front of Orlando to avoid the playing Eastern Conference. I don't know if you guys can see it But Detroit is comfortably in front. They're three and a half games in front of the Celtics. So they're 58 and 22. The Celtics are 54 and 25, the Knicks are 51 and 28, the Cavaliers are 51 and 29, hence the half game back. The Hawks are 45 and 35, Toronto is 44 and 35, the Magics are 44 and 36, the Sixers are 43 and 36, Charlotte is 43 and 37 and the Miami Heat are 41 and 38. Joe, what's going on with your house?
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Oh man, we, we just had a little bump in the road, Ocho. I thought we played a great game tonight. We scored enough points, great playoff ball game, great playoff atmosphere. We just couldn't come up with the win. Man, I thought we had a lot. We had what, seven guys in double figures. So it was a pretty good game. I thought we was actually going to pull away. You know, we were playing great ball at one point and then, you know, Donovan just kind of took over the game. But I think if we end up playing the Cavs, if the Hawks end up playing the Cavs and the playoffs, it'll probably go seven games. Fellas, I'll be honest with you.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
I mean Joe, you guys, you mentioned you had seven guys in double figures. All five of your starters, Nikhil Alexander, Walker, still walk, is still playing. Unbelievable 25 points on 10 or 19 shooting. But you got 30 off the bench for 30 minutes. Kamingo gave you 11 of 20, 24 points. When you get that kind of offer production, I mean you shot 48 from the floor. You right there with the rebounding, you gotta. Those are the games, Joe. And we've seen this before, last couple of games is that you guys have a league because you led a lot of this game. And then like you said, Donovan ended up taking the game over late in the ball game. But these are the type of games, these are, these are actually playoff type games because these are the type of games that you're going to be involved with more times than not. The likelihood of your starters being out a midway through the third quarter or to sit the entire fourth quarter, that's not going to happen very often. You might get one of those games if you fortunate enough to make it all the way through the NBA Finals, you might get one game where your starters get the rest for the entire fourth quarter. Other than that, it's going to be clutch time. Possessions matter, turnovers matter. And so I, I think that the, and, and I Know, the Falcons had the excuse, the Falcons, the Hawks had this great stretch, Joe, where they had won like 12, 13 in a row. The last thing that you want to do is kind of like tail slide going into the playoffs. You want to kind of keep that same momentum going. You don't want to win 13 and then lose your last four and then get into the playoffs and find yourself, you, you was probably right there at the fourth seat and now all of a sudden you find yourself in the playing. That wouldn't be good for them.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
No, I think we gonna pick it up. You know, understanding what's at stake and where we at in the standings and how close and tight of a race it is. I think we'll pick it up. Look, Jalen Johnson ain't gonna, he ain't gonna go 4 for 16 every night. He didn't, he didn't have a great game. But we were still in the game tour. We still had a chance to win. He fouled out. He fouled out. Daniels fouled out. So I think we, we can take some positives from this.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Now.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Is Cleveland a great team? Yes. They have two games, actually three game changes. And Harden, Mobley and Mitchell. So they gonna be, it's gonna be tough to beat them, but I think we got the squad that can do it. Like I said, I think if we, if we, if we end up playing the Cavs, I do think this would be a seven game series because it's, it's fairly even if you really pay attention to the game. I thought the Hawks mucked it up on the road. We just couldn't come up, we just couldn't come up with the big plays down the stretch to get us over the hump. But we had guys who stepped up. Look, Kaminga played a hell of a game. I thought Gabe Benson came in and gave us some great minutes as well. And that's what you need. You don't need a collective team effort, bro, for to, to, to be able to win on the road in the playoffs, you got to be a great playoff team. Oo, you have to win games on the road, you gonna have to win at least one game on the road.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah. Especially if you don't have home court. Now if you have home court, you can, you can just win all your home games and be straight. But when you do that, you have no margin forever. Because if somebody, you mess around and have an off shooting night and somebody gets you and you're not a really good road team. Because you're right, Joe. At some point in time. Look at okc. They had to win a game on the road.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yeah, they
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
against it. Think about it. Against Denver, Denver got a game. In order for them to get keep it going, they had to go steal a game back. I think Indiana, I think Indiana stole the game from them. They had to go to Indiana and steal a game back. So you're absolutely right. Great teams. Look, you're not going to be up here all the time. No matter how rowdy your crowd are, no matter how much you love playing at home, you're going to have a slip up, but you're going to have to find a way to win a game on the road. And so the Hawks, like you said, Jalen Johnson did not play well. They had a couple of guys that had 12 points. And those are guys. Like I said, Walk has been playing out of his mind. You got 24 plus points from Kamingo, who played unbelievable off off the bench. You got 37 bench points. Joe, when you get that kind of production, because you're not used to getting that kind of production, you got to capitalize, man. You got to capitalize.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
I agree. And you know, I, I know our coach, he. He does a great job. He does a great job in making adjustments and yeah, Coach Quinn, he makes a. He does a great job of making adjustments. So we still got a few games left. I don't want us to get in that playing. So we need to, we need to take care of business here at home. Friday I think we play here. I actually think we play Cleveland again. Yeah. So that's gonna be a hell of a game. That's gonna be like a game seven. That's gonna be playoff atmosphere and I'm looking forward to that, man. It should be a fun one.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
You want to stay in the five spot and hey, guess what? And play Cleveland in the first round. 4, 5 matchup, right? But Quinn Snyder, you know how to. Hey, look here. You coach Donovan Mitchell for another year. You know how to deal with him. And you know what? He's more than capable. There you go doing so. You better fight. Hey, you better, you better turn the light out. Because if you don't, we've seen him score 70 in a game. We've seen him have playoff games where he's get 57. Him and Jamal Murray going back and forth. He hits 57, Jamal comes back with a 50, he comes back with a 50 piece. Hey, he's a guy that can get. Yeah, Red hot. Ocho, what are you doing? You can't hear me? I hear you now.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Oh, yeah, I'm right here. I'm right here.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Just agreeing with y'. All.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Hey, listen, listen. You look at Mobley, you look at Evan Mobley. I mean, hell, he had 19 rebounds, 22 points. My thing is, when you, when you play Cleveland, you got to cut one of them big three off. Like, okay, James Harden may, He may get his, Mitchell may get his, but you can't let Evan Mobley, you know, be a game changer like he was tonight. You can't do it.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah, you gave up 30. You gave up 31 to, to Mitchell. You gave up 21 to Harden. James didn't shoot well. Mitch was sensational. Mitch had. Was 12.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
He turned it on.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
So you can. Yeah. And you got every. Mobley was 8 or 15. And like you said, Joe, he gave it 22 and 19, almost a 20, 20 game. And then you got Jared Allen. You know, Jared Allen's going to be efficient because all he's going to do is rim run, he's going to get lobs, he's going to get put backs, he's going to get tipping. So you're not really running an offense for him. But you got to keep him off. And I thought you.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
I just feel like the Hawks, I feel like we got more talent than Cleveland. Like we got more guys who we can depend on that's going to play pivotal minutes and play huge in those minutes versus Cleveland. Cleveland gonna rely on Donovan and, and Harden to carry the load.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
You know, you know, Evan Mobley, he gonna give you a 10 point game, eight rebounds, you know what I'm saying? Like, he ain't gonna be, he ain't gonna be doing it like this every night.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah, I don't expect, you know that. I don't expect that either. I think the question is, Joe, is that. And, and now. And plus, we know Harden has his playoff hiccups. He's had them everywhere he's been, even when he was the sixth man at okc. Go back and look at that game. Look at some of those games that he had against Miami. Go back and look at Houston. Go back and look at Philly. We've seen him have a 50 point game and do go crazy against Boston. And then you're like, bro, what the hell happened?
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Right?
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
So, you know, hey, and he has the record for the most turnovers in a postseason game, which is, I think it's 14, 12 or 14. So we know what James Harden, there's a, there's, there's a, a great chance that he'll have one of those games that leaves you scratching your head.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
You like, God damn.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
I don't know what the hell happened to you tonight. He. He has one of those games and he's had one of those games. Everywhere he's been, there's not one. There's not one stop on James Harden resume where he hasn't had at least one of those games in the postseason that. That you like. God damn.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yeah. And I think when you look at Quinn, he ain't gonna let James just play free like he was tonight. I know he missed a lot of shots, but it's gonna be a lot of trapping making him get that ball up. And we gonna make some of these other guys make some plays versus, you know, versus letting James go one on one, let Donovan go one on one. We gonna see what some of these other guys can do. You know what I mean?
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Yes. I think the problem that you run into, like, okay, you give the ball up now, you do realize he's probably gonna give that ball up. He probably gonna give that ball up to Mitch. Now, Mitch, you come to trap Mitch, he's gonna swing it to one of those bigs. Now you gotta dunk by Mobley or you gotta dunk by Allen. That's the problem that you. Because they're one of the few teams that com. That that play traditional. They play two bs. They play. Basically play two seven footers. Evan Mobley and Jared Allen, only OKC really plays like that. Now them in okc, nobody else really plays like that. Everybody else got guys that. That, you know, that can play multiple positions. Those are two conventional big. They play 80 90s style basketball. And so the problem that you have. And it beats you up on the glass too, you got to be real careful because like you said, Mobley had 19 tonight. You know, Jared Allen is capable of giving you a 20, 20 game, and he'll give you 20 points when you don't run. Not one offensive set for him. He'll get him on lobs, put back and rem.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yeah, but they, they. They don't scare me, though. I'm gonna be honest with y', all, okay? The Cavs don't scare me. I feel like. I feel like we'll take care of home court whether we're the lowest seed or not. And I feel like we can go in Cleveland and steal one.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah, steal one.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
I think we can go in. I know we can go in Cleveland and steal one. This was a playoff game tonight, man.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
We.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
We were right in the game. We was up by 9. 10 points at 1. One point I looked up, yes, I said, damn, how we get down by nine. But, you know, we end up fighting back, getting back in the game, you know. C.J. i feel like C.J. mcCollum is going to be a guy who you gonna be able to rely on in the postseason, Uncle Ocho, to where if we do get a little flat and stagnant offensively, he's a guy who can go out and get it. He's a he, he understands, you know, who needs to touch the ball, where the ball needs to go and being poised and patience, you know, understanding. He's been in these situations before and he thrives in them. He knows, you know, this is an important year for C.J. because he, I'm sure, you know, C.J. would love to come back to Atlanta and play with the Hawks, you know what I mean? Like, he gonna be a free agent at the end of the year. So I, I look forward to him, you know, having a huge playoff series against whoever we play in that first round.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
But if you look at some of your key contributors that you really expecting to give you valuable minutes, you look at Dyson Daniels, he was 5 of 11. C.J. was 6 of 16. Jalen Johnson was 4 of 16. I, I, I, I need, I, I, I need, I need a look, I, because, because you did get great production out of Kongu. You got great production out of Walk, and you got great production out of Kaminga. They shot a very high percentage. And for those guys, your key guys, to struggle like they struggle tonight, like I, like you said, I don't expect Jalen Johnson, I don't expect CJ to have that kind of. Daniels didn't, I mean, he only took 11 shots. He's 5 11, so you can live with that. But I just think the thing is like, C.J. and, and, and Jalen Johnson, they're gonna have, they're gonna, one of those guys gonna have to shoot a higher percentage. You can't have two guys because the Cong A congu's getting dumped.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yeah, he did take two.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
He getting two. But he's a rim runner. He's a big that can run the rim. You can throw him lobster. You know, you guys break down the defense and get to the hole and throw it up and he can finish it for you. So you're not, it's not like you're just running a whole lot of sets for him. He's not a, a big that you run sets for. He's not embiid. He's not Jokic, he's not wimy. He's not a guy that you're actually running sets for, bro. You got to get your. You got to get.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
But when, like you said, Jaylen Johnson and CJ didn't play well today. Ank oo. But look, man, we only lost by six points. Ain't like we got blew out by 20 or 30, you know what I mean? Then you had to draw on board, like, damn, I don't know what we can do, you know, we only lost by six points. And those guys didn't play great at all. So I don't expect that from them, you know, come Friday night here in Atlanta.
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T-Mobile Spokesperson
Why are we trying so hard?
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
So I can breathe. Why do you need to breathe? So I can think. If I can breathe if I can breathe, I can think. If I can think if I can think if I can, then I can win. Rated R Now playing in theaters.
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T-Mobile Spokesperson
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Nah, I'm just kidding.
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T-Mobile Spokesperson
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
And I bet you it'll be a totally different game, right?
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Well, it better be. Y' all gonna be had y' all ass to the play. K Cunningham returned with a double double as the Pistons routed the Bucks 137, 111K, 13 points, 10 assists in his return from injury. Cade hadn't played since sustaining a collapsed lung in a win against the Wizards on March 17th. He appeared comfortable playing 26 minutes in short stance tonight. Jalen Duran had 20, 21 points, nine rebounds. JB Bickerstaff kept all five starters under 30 minutes. The Pistons won for the sixth time in eight games. Well, I mean, hell, he could have paid him under 25 minutes. He played the box.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
They in turmoil right now.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
The box.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yeah.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Hey, ain't no more fear of deer.
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Host 3 (Likely Joe Johnson)
People.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
People. People got. People got the deer head on the wall. Don't nobody fear the deer no more. Hey, hey, Joe, you remember these? Fear.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Right, right, right.
- [25:23]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Hell, well, y' all got. Y' all got bull weekle over here, okay?
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Didn't even have to play tonight. The way. The way Pistons been playing.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
They.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
I mean, the Bucks got so much turmoil going over there, they didn't need Kate tonight. But I'm sure they tried to get him acclimated before the postseason start.
- [25:38]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Gotta get him some roll, man. You gotta give him some run, Joe. You don't want that man going to the playoffs.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yeah, man, that joker lungs, I already know.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
But.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
But they got so many. Hey, hey, they. They kind of. They similar to the house, too, because they got so many guys who. They can throw at you in waves. You know what I mean? Guys.
- [25:54]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah.
- [25:55]
Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Play pivotal minutes throughout the season. Because K was out, you know, they were still able to still keep that. That. That. That number one seed in the Eastern Conference. So that lets me know, man, they got. Look, they got guys who can come off the bench and get to that chicken. Ojo. The Pistons gonna be tough, man. They hang their head on defense, and they got a game changer in Cade. They gonna.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
They.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
They gonna be in good shape.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
You look, I. I think that the. A key for them, Joe, is that come playoff time, how consistent can Duncan Robinson and her shooting the three. How can. Because we've seen Duncan Robinson catch fire with the heat, and we've seen Herder, you know, where Ed Rifle when he was in Atlanta. We've seen him in Sacramento, Chicago, so we know what he's capable of. Can. Can they keep everybody honest from packing Lane? Because. Because K's gonna try to break down your defense now. If you try to. Hey, somebody send help. I'm gonna kick it to one of those guys. And can they knock down the three? But I. I agree with you. You know, he's like, look, it ain't gonna take much for us to beat them. They don't quit. Let's go ahead. Let's go ahead and help them finish quitting. Let's jump on their ass early. And they. Hey, they Tried to get a lot. Listen, but if you.
- [27:09]
Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
The Pistons, I'm gonna tell y', all, man, that Hornets team, they scary, Uncle Ocho. And. Oh, and if they get that AC and you playing against the Pistons, playing the Hornets.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Hey, man, I don't know if the. I don't know if the Hornets can beat them, but I think they could. I think they'll make it.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
They'll scare the hell out of.
- [27:29]
Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
They'll make it very interesting.
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Host 3 (Likely Joe Johnson)
They make a seven game.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
I don't know if they'll make it seven, Ocho, but I just like the Hornets, man, because they play great basketball. They play together. And if Lamelo can continue to play at this mega star level that he's been playing at for, like, the past month or two, man, they gonna be tough to beat, bro. They got so many guys who could score the ball. They play the right way. They play hard. They gritty defensively. So they. They're a scary team. You don't. I mean, they are ascending. They've been ascending since about the new year, probably since about January, February. So it ain't. There ain't no team who you want to see, bro. I watched him play against Boston the other night. I think it was last night, if I ain't mistaken. And they had control of the whole game and end up losing, you know, in that second half. But for the most part, man, they can hang with anybody.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
The way they shoot the three, they gonna get a bunch of them up and on. In that stretch that you was talking about, Joe, that two months, a lot of them was falling. You go back and look, and they were 20 or 43. There was 25 of this. And they had. I was like, well, damn, cuz, you got. Melo can go get you 30 on a given night. Cano can go give you 30 on a given night. Miller, you got Miles, you got Bridges, So you got.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
You got. What's my guy coming off the bench from Chicago?
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Oh, Kobe White. Yeah. Yeah. So they got guys. They. They. Like you said, I don't know if they can beat them, but they can scare the hell out of them. They go like, damn, I sure wish we didn't have to play them in the first round. And. And. And they're just young enough and naive enough to not know any better. There you go.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
There you go. Because, see, when you don't understand the magnitude of the games because you rely on a few rookies, you know what I mean? Like, anything can happen, bro. Like, look, I love Con Canipple. He ain't just no spot up three point shooter. I seen him go off the dribble, shoot the midi, get to the basket. Like they got a lot of guys man who can beat you in many different ways. You know, the Hornets have been a fun team to watch.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
They have, they have. But I'm glad to see, I'm glad to see Cade back. I think it might be a little bit too late. I don't think he's going to be able to qualify for any of the awards. I mean he's all out. Damn him. I mean he, he last played, he got injured against The Wizards on March 17th and here he is coming back today. It's the 8th. So he's a couple of days, you know, basically a couple of days short of being out a month.
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Host 3 (Likely Joe Johnson)
Yeah.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
So I think he's probably missed too many games to be. Because I think he's going to be a first. He was going to be a first
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
or second team all no question.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Now that's out of the equation. And what that does Ocho and, and guys we're going to have probably two guys that miss it.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Cade hell, Ant man gonna miss too.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Ant Man. So that's three guys. So guess what that does guys that brings somebody that wasn't gonna make it, that moves somebody from second team to first team, somebody from third team to second team. And that takes somebody three guys that weren't going to be make it. They're gonna make it. And guess what that does. That puts him in line for a max or a super max contract. Hey he. So here's the thing. NBA why you tried to, why you tried to do one thing. Clean up something on one end, you make it dirty on the back end. Because guess what you did. You're gonna have guys that probably are just like French players that they're going to have an all NBA selection on their resume. And all NBA selections. That means guess what I. And I'm in line for a max and a super max contract. So while you hurt somebody, while you might have hurt a K or Luke or Ant man. Cause they already playing on that number and they, and I'm sure you, they'll they'll next year they'll be able to play and get right back there. But you're taking guys that might not be an all NBA selection again. And guess what? Don't matter. I got this.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
That's all they. That's all that counts. That's all that counts. Because when I, when I, when we go to the negotiating table, you know, I got this in My back pocket. Now what you gonna tell me you got. You're gonna have to run that little bread. You got to run that little bread o joke.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Well, you know, we don't, I don't know what you think, but this is what I know. What I know is that one of those three all in big. So that basically said I'm a top 15 selection, right? So guess what? Somebody was going to be 16, 17, 18, all of a sudden is going to be 13, 14, 15.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yeah.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Oh my goodness. So now you get to add that extra year. Now you get to add 50, 60 million dollars in the fifth year.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yeah.
- [32:17]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
So NBA, I know you tried to do all good, but no good deed
- [32:21]
Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
going unpunished, man, it's, it's some guys looking at it, looking at it right now. I'm talking about, they like, oh, we, I know I'm next in line. I'm make third team now. Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [32:32]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
We're in the money. We're in the money.
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Host 3 (Likely Joe Johnson)
Hey, it's a good thing for those players that are friends, players that might not ever have, might, might not ever have the opportunity, you know, to be first or second team. All NBA selections. Where you get to get, get to that bag man.
- [32:49]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Hey, you. Hey, Joe. Y' all remember Players club with what's it called? We came with this a Uncle Lou here. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
What about, hey, what about Trading Places?
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Mortimer, we're back. And that. And that's how it goes. We back. The fight between Giannis and Milwaukee over playing time just got a little bit more complicated.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
real money on the line is that nobody's talking about publicly until now. Multiple sources said the Bucks decision to sit Giannis Antetokounmpo caused him significant bonuses in his Nike endorsement contract that would have been triggered if he played at least 41 games. That adds a lot of context behind Greek freaks insistence on playing despite the team wanting to shut him down for the remainder of the season. The truth comes out. It just isn't about competitive pride. It's because he literally in financial incentives in a shoe contract Milwaukee decision is costing him. I think it's twofold. I believe. Obviously man, bro. They might add some extra years at 10, 15, $20 million. Second who's on his who's on his team?
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yes sir.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Now what are the likelihood Pat Riley. Let's just say for the sake of argument to appease Ocho Joe the Heat trade for it. What do you think the likelihood of Pat Ryder said, you know what? I want the two brothers too. What you think the likelihood is that
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Host 3 (Likely Joe Johnson)
Ocho hey no Pat Riley ain't good, huh?
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Okay.
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Host 3 (Likely Joe Johnson)
I'm just being Honest with you. Unless Pat decides all of a sudden, Blue changes what you know he's not gonna do because he stuck to his guns since, hell for how long now?
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
And I don't think he was the head coach of the Lakers.
- [39:26]
Host 3 (Likely Joe Johnson)
Hey, listen, if he didn't. If he didn't buzz for the King, he not Buddy.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Listen, Greek, he gonna have to get his ass in line like everybody else. And, hey, look, we trading for Yana, your damn brothers and them, they gonna have to figure it out. But they gave me. Yeah, they ain't doing that.
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Host 3 (Likely Joe Johnson)
Yeah. Hey. Hey, you know what's funny is when I think about the NBA and I think about the power that the players have. One of the few. One of the few organizations where the players have the power, not the, you know, the owners of the gym. Owners of the gym, to the head coaches, is if Yanis say. If I say I'm healthy and I want to play, hell, he should be able to. You would think the way they operate, hell, I'm gonna put my uniform on and I'm going in the starting lineup no matter what y' all say. No matter what.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
No, they didn't. Now you get. Now you're insubordinate. Now I'm gonna take some more. I'm gonna take your money from you. Is that what you want? Conduct detrimental to the team? Yeah, that what you want. At least Joe, right now, you notice he getting his bread, you do something like that. Now I gotta. I gotta take Contra. Yeah, yeah. And them checks. Oh, yo, don't check. Probably like 3, 400,000 a game, man. You know, really what you want.
- [40:35]
Host 3 (Likely Joe Johnson)
I know. I know what they're looking like, man. Well, you ain't got to tell. You ain't got to tell me twice, but.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah, but now. Now y' all doing me wrong, but I'm gonna sit on over here.
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Host 3 (Likely Joe Johnson)
Yeah, but listen, listen. You're sitting over there. You're obliging with what they want. But now you're messing up my shoe money. My shoe money add up, too.
- [40:53]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
You messed up my season by talking about you wanting to be traded, right? You messing up my money. You. You messing up my leverage, right? My ability to trade you, right? You see? You see what you did? Okay. Even swap ain't no swindle. You mess my. You mess up your trade value, I mess up your money. We both got something messed up.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yeah.
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Host 3 (Likely Joe Johnson)
Hey, it's funny. You know what? Now that you said it like that, that's probably exactly how they think.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Well, yeah, of course it's exactly.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Well, the thing is, it's protocol. Fellas, they.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
They just.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Just. Cause you say you healthy, man, like I said before, you got to show us something in practice before we just throw you out there on the floor. You know what I mean? And I think Giannis has.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
He. He. He.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
He hasn't been one to, you know, cooperate when it comes to, like, playing two on two, three on three, to prepare to gauge and lead. Up to him getting out there playing five on five, he just feel like shit. I'm healthy, so just put me out there. I'm gonna put up numbers. And they ain't willing to do it for a number of reasons, because, look, you put him out there and he get hurt, then what, Ocho?
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Okay.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Like, they ain't the man. They ain't trying to deal with that.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
And you've had. And what have we had over the last couple of years? Those calves. Calves lead to what?
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yep.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Achilles. Nah, you're not gonna do that. You're not really going to suppress the market. But here's the thing. What we're talking about. Ocho, he says he wants to play. We took your word when you say you was hurt and you couldn't play. We took your word for it. Now you want us to take your word for it and say that you can play, Right? We didn't question you right now. Now all of a sudden, you see, and I'm. Everybody knows I'm pro players, but sometimes when you start to own a business, you have to look at things from a business standpoint, right? And so that's what I'm like. Okay, okay. I can see. I can see what you're talking about. So all these concessions that they've made, I'm a firm believer is that nobody is going to love you like your original. The team that drafted you. I had a conversation with a great wide receiver once, and he's like, man, he's like, oh, man, I need to just leave. And I say, I'm gonna tell you this, and it's gonna be your decision, and I'm never gonna steal you. Wrong. I said, yeah, you can probably go and you might win. I said, but they're not gonna love you like they do where you are, man, because you're their own. They watched you come in and they watched you grow in the community, and they watch you as a young man coming to a full grown adult man. They watch that. This other team, they just gonna be happy to have you. You're just gonna be one of the other hired guns that they've had along the way. Nothing's gonna be special about you, bro. Nah, he thought about it for a couple days. Like, man, you right. So Giannis go and think. So he gonna be sweet. You think the Lakers. You think The Lakers love LeBron like they did in Cleveland? You think Miami love LeBron like they did in Cleveland? Or do they love Dwyane Wade? Or do they love Kobe? Do they love Shaq, huh? Or do they love Bam? Or they do love. Do they love Alonzo? Morning.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Oh, no,
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
See, that's what. And I. I think. I don't think enough players think about it like that. It's like, man, I just need to go, go, go, go. Okay, fine. I. I'm never gonna stand in the way of a person wanting to get his money. But just understand. And when they don't gravitate towards you like they did in your original destin location, you can't be mad. You just go. You can't even. Even though. And think about it. Even though Lonzo. Lonzo was at the Hornets first. Yeah, he was at the Hornets first, people. And people. And for whatever reason he was, they like, nah, nah. Zoe Howard, he was not D. Wade. He not. Bam. That are OGs.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yeah,
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
that's how it goes, man. So, Giannis, wherever you go and you might win a championship, I hope you do, they're not gonna love you like they did.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Nah, they not. But I. I bet you Giannis is thinking like this, okay? Ocho, he thinking, okay, I got two years left on my deal, but if they trade me this summer, then wherever I'm at, I can play. And then the next summer, I can get that five years versus.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
You're gonna get full. Because he got traded.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
But I'm saying he'll get to play. He'll get to play a full year wherever he got traded.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Yes.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
So at the end of the neck, at the end of that season, they'll be able to offer him that big deal.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
I think once you get traded, Joe, I think that is. Look that up, Ash. Look that up. I think that's the thing. That's what they try to do because they want to keep you at the.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
So you say he can't get.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
So that's why they can offer. That's why they can offer you that extra year, which is that fifth year at that max number.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Right? Okay.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Look that up, Ash. I. I think. I think now maybe if you stay for. Because a lot of times you have to. I think Luca could only sign a four year deal now if he. Once he plays, he can come back because this is.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Luca got traded in his contract year, right?
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
No, I think he had another. Oh, did he?
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
So it'd be the same as Giannis. Giannis got. Yeah. Okay, okay.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Oh, they would have never let him get that. Oh, no, because remember, that's what, See, that's what Milwaukee is saying. Milwaukee said, sign the deal or we trading you. We're not gonna let you walk out the door. Like that'd be foolish business. You can never let a guy, you can never let a guy of that caliber get to the last year of his deal. Because if you do, he done, it's done.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
That's why they, that's, that's why they got it. That's why I think they gotta trade him this summer, fellas. They. They can't bring him back. You know, considering everything that they're going through right now, I think, I think Giannis is a little disgruntled. He probably will never come out and actually say it or demand a trade. But I can bet you behind the scenes they probably gonna be working when this season is over with to get him traded this summer for sure.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Oh, he go.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
He gone.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
According to, according to ESPN, Giannis is eligible for a four year, 275 million dollar extension in October if he stays in Milwaukee. If he's traded during the off season, he would need to wait six months from the trade date to sign the extension, which would be four years, correct, Ash? Yes. So.
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Host 3 (Likely Joe Johnson)
So he gonna get it no matter where you go then, huh?
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
I don't think you can. I don't, I don't know if he can get that. So if he signed, if he signed. If he waits six months after the, the trade and signed the extension, how much, how much is the four year extension then? Because it's kind of what they try. What they try to do is kind of like what the NFL did, Ocho, because they didn't want the quarterbacks to leave. That's what the franchise tag was. Really, really, really envision the key guys, the quarterbacks, your Bruce Smith, your Jerry's, your image. We want to keep those guys. So we'll pay you the average of the top five. So what this is the max, super max is basically to keep. Because we can give you something no other team can. We can offer that fifth year. The other team, they give you four. Now if you want for, look, four years at 225, okay, that's good money. We can give you five. We can give you five years.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
But hey, hey, depending on where he go, though, he can, he can make it up and, and off the court endorsements, depending on where he go. Because this markets. Because Milwaukee ain't no huge market. So if he was no. So he used to go, well, he
- [48:25]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
need to get a Harley deal. He should have got a Harley deal.
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Host 3 (Likely Joe Johnson)
Hey, I know, I know one market he can go to. He'll make it up no matter what.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Damn, Texas gonna kick his ass though.
- [48:39]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
California even worth 13.3 that state. And when you kick it, and when you kick that for that 36 at the Fed level. So they take it 49 of your money, hey, you gotta kick in meta killing fica, your agent fees, your attorneys. So when it's all said and done, that, let's just say somebody getting a hundred million, you down to probably like 47, 46, right after taxes and you pay. Cause they take it three and a half percent. Your agent take three and a half percent. Your financial guy got to get his cut. Come on now with your ass. Whoa, you think I'm working for free? You ain't working for free. Yeah, hey, you and I both know we, we got managers, we got, we got attorneys, we got agents. Well, I've been paying money since 90. Well, my first couple of contracts, I ain't played nothing because I had my brother's agent. He's like, nah, he ain't making no money. You can't charge.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
What you talking about? When you see all that money you having to spit out like that? Because I know exactly what you're talking about. Attorneys. And, and hey, but look, that's why, that's why. Boy, that Florida, that Miami don't sound bad. Yes, fellas.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Hey, they got a team. Where else they got. They ain't got no taxes at, they ain't got no tech. We ain't got no team in Vegas yet. Dallas, Houston.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Dallas. Nope.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
I'm just trying to say. Where you at? Look here, I don't know if y' all noticed, but 13, when you making that kind of money, you do realize 13, if you making $50 million a year.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Hey, hold up though. Hold up, hold up. Houston got some pieces over there though, okay? Oh, sure, yeah.
- [50:20]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Oh, I thought you got some.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
I'm saying
- [50:24]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
they got some two legged pieces.
- [50:28]
Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
You talking about them quarter pieces, the dying pieces?
- [50:30]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know exactly what
- [50:33]
Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
you talking about, but they got some pieces they could, they, you know, if they underachieve this year, they could possibly give. Get up off of and bring Giannis over there with kd.
- [50:46]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
I still think they need a point guard. I think Van Fleet. I think they need Van Fleet. I think he's the missing ingredient. They need a point. They need a point guard. They do.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
But it's gonna. Hey, it's gonna be some furniture moving this summer, fellas. I'm talking about. I think I know Braun just built that. I know he building that old, however, 100 million. But I can see Braun teaming up with some guys, bro.
- [51:13]
Host 3 (Likely Joe Johnson)
Where at, Joe, what do you think about.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Hey, look, I can see Giannis and Braun teaming up together,
- [51:22]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
but you know What? If I'm LeBron, man, I'm done chasing rings. I'm gonna go to a bad team. Cause we've seen on a bad team what he can do.
- [51:29]
Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yeah.
- [51:29]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
At the number one or number two option, LeBron can still give you 25, 26 a night. Did you just not. Did you not see him on a bad team when he just played Sunday against the Mavericks? He gave you 30. He gave you what, 30 and 15 and nine.
- [51:42]
Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
It's just.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
He need.
- [51:43]
Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
He needs some more ball handling duties and. But he understand the role he's. He's in right now with AR and Luca playing the way they've been playing. Like I said, because he started off the season slow, meaning he. He missed the first, what, 15 games or so, and. And they were playing great. He just, you know, put himself in to where he wasn't going to be disruptive. You know what I mean? He was going to be a complimentary piece to those guys, and I think he's done a great job with that. But, yeah, Uncle, I agree with you. You put him on a team. I ain't saying necessarily to where he is the guy, but where he can handle the Rock, make decisions, you know, make plays. Yeah, he still. He still got some ball left in him.
- [52:23]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Oh, word. Oh, no worse than two.
- [52:25]
Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yeah, no worse than.
- [52:26]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah. Oh, he gonna get. He. Yeah, yeah, he. He'll give you the numbers that he gave you last year. Cause if you go back and look like when games were okay, Lucas out or game where AR is out, and now he has more responsibilities, he gonna do his thing. Yes. But I'm not surprised by this. The only thing is, is that Giannis kept trying to be sneaky about it. Oh, you know, whatever my agent decide, you know, I don't. Bro, your agent works at the behest of you. And he doesn't want the criticism with coming because he saw the criticism that LeBron got. He saw the criticism that KD got, he saw the criticism that some of these other guys got and he doesn't want that, so he wants to pretend. He wants to throw the rock. We know you broke the window. He got my agent. No, bro. Agents don't just like the same thing, Ocho, we talked about with Nico. Yeah, okay, Nico. That fell on Nico. But the owner, Josh Dumont, threw the table on him.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yeah.
- [53:27]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
So Giannis leaving Milwaukee, I got no problem with it. So I don't want y' all saying, but. Oh, so you got a problem? No, I don't. The only problem I got is that he won't stand up and face. He won't stay. Face the music.
- [53:38]
Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yeah.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah. I want out. You know, I don't feel I can win here anymore. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't think they can put the pieces around me, but everything that they've done over the last four to five years was at your bequeath, at your. They got rid of the coach. You don't think. You think they did that without Yanis messing? That man was second in the East.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yeah.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah, they went. God dang. You don't think. Yeah. You think. Yanis didn't sign up on that. They got rid of Holiday. They got rid of all those pieces. That was because of Giannis. That was Giannis's blessing.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yeah.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
You got to own it, though, bro. It's okay. You're not the first to request a trade. You're not the first to move pieces. That comes along with the territory. You're a superstar. Superstars get certain privileges, and that's okay. But don't hide behind it, bro. Don't make it seem like they want to get rid of you. You know, you've been asking for this for a minute, and they should have moved your last.
- [54:39]
Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yeah, he don't want that.
- [54:41]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
They should have moved your last.
- [54:42]
Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
You don't want that backlash, man.
- [54:45]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
No, he does.
- [54:47]
Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Even with that. Even with that, I. I still think, you know, he'll be all right. I mean, it's just part of it. It's part of being a megastar. Obviously, things ain't going right in Milwaukee, man. You gotta at least get you some pieces, get you some good pieces. And I think Milwaukee kind of trying to wait to this draft to kind of see who get what picks and who can really help them, you know what I mean?
- [55:09]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Because.
- [55:09]
Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Okay, we. Okay, we can trade Giannis. We gonna package you with these picks because maybe we can get a top three pick or a top five pick out this draft. Right, to send Giannis off. Okay. That's a different Story, you know what I mean? Now we bring in one of these young phenoms who can carry us for the next 10, 12, 15 years. So I think that's why they waiting.
- [55:31]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Joe Ocho.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yeah.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
I bring Ocho in, I do everything Ocho asks. I hire Chauncey, I hire his best. I. I hire Ryan, I give Doug a job. Things don't go right, man. I've done everything Ocho asked me to do. Then when things don't go right, man, I can't make bro. I hired Chauncey, I hired Ryan, I hired Doug. And now things ain't going right. You want to dip?
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
I don't.
- [56:01]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Brought both of your damn brothers in. I got your new coach. I got up on holiday. I got up off him. Well, damn. You don't think. I mean, does Giannis think that we're that naive to not to think that he has that kind of leverage in Milwaukee? They held onto him because they don't want to trade him. They don't want to trade him, but they just know he's not gonna sign. And I'm not going to let you walk out the door. And I don't mean to keep bringing KD up, but KD contract was up and it was well within his right to leave. But KD walked out the door, and OKC ain't gonna damn thing. Let that sink in. They did. Some people say Katie is a top 10. He's probably a top 15 player in NBA history. History walked out the door and they didn't get a thing for him. They didn't get Gatorade. They didn't get. They didn't get socks. They didn't get tape. They got nothing, Joe. They didn't get no iPad. They didn't get a projector. They didn't get jacked. You cannot let Giannis walk out the door like that, because if you do, you're ruined.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
And Milwaukee knows that. They know that. That's why they. They. They refuse. I know they refuse to let that happen to their franchise because they won't be able to recruit from that. It'll set them back, hell, five, seven, even probably longer than that.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
What got. What got OKC was. What happened the. The actually Kawhi, because Kawhi going to the Clippers wanting a veteran, someone that he knew. Paul George, pg. Oh, you. You want pg? What you got? Let me see what you got. I'm gonna need Shay, and I'm gonna need probably like four unprotected first round picks. And Sam Preston. We know one thing he can pick a player. He picked kd, he picked Russ, he picked Harden. He picked the Baca. He picked Reggie Jackson. And look at what he's done. He's picked Chet, he's picked Jalen Williams. He picked Jalen Williams. Look at what he's done. He's got Lou Dort.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Yeah.
- [58:14]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
So now what probably would have been purgatory for okc, even though they're a small market, they write it. They right back here. Yeah. And they're going to be there for the foreseeable future.
- [58:31]
Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
They are, man. They.
- [58:32]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Sometimes it's, it's one move change everything. It changed everything. And Presley done a great job, but the linchpin was getting shaped once he got shaped. Yeah, the foundation is strong. It's hard it the building to be
- [58:52]
Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
strong and you just, you gotta hope, you know, when you make these type of changes and you bring in a guy who you think has a great upside, you, you gotta hope he takes the game serious and he, he meets your standards or over delivers like Shay. I mean hell, this man finna probably be a two time mvp. You a title. He won you a title, man. You had Westbrook and kd. Y' all made it to the finals, but y' all ain't win one. You get this kid. Yeah, yeah. And Harden, you get this kid. And within what, three, four years, man, he didn't want you a title and you're on the brink to win another one. So if you go back to back. Oh my God.
- [59:38]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah. So basically you got, you got, you got Shay in 20 in 2019. Because. Was it 2019? Yeah, I think 2019, summer 2019. Yeah, got it. Because Kawhi came from, came from Toronto and that, that was the domino that started this. We didn't know that a move over here would trigger something over there. You know, sometimes you have the, a tsunami because there's an earthquake that happened in the middle of the ocean, man. Look what this thing triggered. The Clippers wanting getting Kawhi triggered a series of unfortunate events. And I'm not talking about Lemony Snickets, but anyway, but that, but that's what happened, Joe. So I don't, I don't fault Milwaukee. I'm gonna try to get as much as I possibly can because the likelihood, think about it. You had Kareem. It took you 30 plus years before you got something comparable to Kareem. You had some really good teams. Now I, I remember the Bucks was really good team when they had Nelly. Don Nelson was their coach. They had who the hell Lanier they had Sydney Moncrie. They had Oteri Cummings. I knew Terry Cummings. Terry Cummings.
- [60:55]
Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
I do. Power forward, big body. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [60:59]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
From DePaul. They had Brian Winners. They had some really good players.
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
They did. They did
- [61:07]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Kareem and Giannis. And so normally when you lose a player like that, it's hard to ever, ever get another. It's hard. And you're not like the Lakers, where people want to come will retire. They get Kareem and then you get Magic, and then imagine retire, you get Shaq and Kobe and then get down, and here come LeBron and now you got Luca. You see how everybody don't get it?
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Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
Like, because that, you know, not only is it a big market, it's a great market in LA. And everybody want to play in LA, bro. I mean, let's keep it 100. You know, playing for the Lakers, I don't know about y', all, but growing up, watching the Lakers play, you know, the Lake show, the Laker Girls, things of that sort. Milwaukee don't have an attraction. They don't. So it's. Yeah, they're not gonna get no big time free agent. You know what I mean? So you do have to go through the draft and hopefully you hit big. And okc, yeah, okay, develop. Well, develop your players. But when it gets to this point, to where I know Giannis is going to move on, they know they going to move on from Giannis. You have to try to get great value from. I don't know if you can get the same value, but you have to get a guy who you feel like, okay, in two years he gonna be a superstar. You know what I mean?
- [62:28]
Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah. Well, you don't know. You. You know, it's. I'm saying Giannis, but Giannis is a different animal. But I mean, when they traded PG and all those picks they like, man, OKC got took, they gave up pg, who was, what, second in the mvp, third in the MVP vote in one year. And now they're like, boy, boy, hey, OKC really suckered on the Clippers. That's what people are saying now. It went from the Clippers sucking OKC to, okay, man, OKC got one over on them.
- [63:00]
Host 2 (Likely Chad Ochocinco)
It's because Shay over delivered.
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Host 1 (Likely Shannon Sharpe)
Over delivered. What's up, cousin?
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