Nightcap Hour 1: Cooper Flagg DOMINATES in WIN over Lakers + Warriors ALMOST Traded Draymond to Lakers + LeBron gets BACKLASH for MEMPHIS Comments

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Nightcap Hour 1: Cooper Flagg DOMINATES in WIN over Lakers + Warriors ALMOST Traded Draymond to Lakers + LeBron gets BACKLASH for MEMPHIS Comments

Podcast: Nightcap
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad Ochocinco Johnson, Joe “ISO Joe” Johnson
Release Date: April 6, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode is packed with immediate reactions and unfiltered takes from Shannon Sharpe, Chad Ochocinco Johnson, and Joe Johnson right after the Dallas Mavericks’ shocking win over the Lakers, spearheaded by rookie phenom Cooper Flagg. The conversation spans Cooper Flagg’s historic performances, the Lakers’ struggles amid key injuries, trade rumors involving Draymond Green, and the controversy around LeBron James’ recent comments about playing in Memphis and Milwaukee. The episode wraps up with the hosts reflecting on athlete injuries, recovery, and candid thoughts about NBA lifestyle challenges on the road.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Cooper Flagg’s Historic Game and Mavs’ Win Over Lakers

Timestamps: 05:58–29:54

• Cooper Flagg's Dominance:
  • Back-to-back 40+ point games, following a 51-point performance—the youngest ever to score 50+ in a game.
  • “Only rookies since 1968 to have consecutive 40-point games. Allen Iverson did it in 1997, and today Cooper Flagg did it again.” — Chad Ochocinco (07:38)
  • Flagg’s aggressive play from the tip—19 or 20 points in the first quarter.
• Lakers’ Issues Without Luka Doncic & Austin Reaves:
  • Lakers missing key scorers, and LeBron’s initial passiveness led to an early hole.
  • “LeBron is old enough to be Cooper Flagg's dad. As a matter of fact, Bronny is older than Cooper Flagg.” — Chad Ochocinco (12:31)
• Analysis of LeBron’s Game Approach:
  • Discussion if LeBron should assert himself more with so many injuries.
  • “You missing 50, 55 points with AR and Luca out. Yeah, man, you gotta get it how you live, bro.” — Joe Johnson (12:05)
• Lakers’ Defensive Struggles:
  • Allowed 41 points in the 1st quarter; poor defensive execution noted often.
  • “Team defense, but their team is compromised when guys are getting beat off the muscle.” — Chad Ochocinco (19:16)
  • “This Mavericks team, they gave up 41 points in the first quarter, bro.” — Chad Ochocinco (16:04)

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2. Lakers' Playoff Prospects & Injury Fallout

Timestamps: 22:20–29:54

• Bleak Playoff Picture:
  • “It's first round exit for them.” — Joe Johnson (22:35)
  • Even with a healthy roster, doubts about their ability to go deep in the playoffs.
  • Critical games lost earlier in the season now hurting their standing.
• Injury Updates:
  • Doubts over Luka Doncic’s return after update he would seek treatment in Europe for his hamstring (65:06).
  • Uncertainty if Austin Reaves can return in time for playoffs: “If he don’t come back…that’s if. If…he got a very similar injury to what Mookie Betts…that’s four to six weeks.” — Chad Ochocinco (22:11)
• Player Perspective:
  • End-of-season attitude for eliminated teams: “I’m trying to get to Cancun. I’m trying to get to Jamaica… I ain’t trying to have no surgery. I ain’t trying to rehab for an extra week or two when everybody sees and everybody done dispersed.” — Chad Ochocinco (23:45)

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3. Trade Rumors: Warriors Almost Moved Draymond to Lakers

Timestamps: 30:00–37:49

• Reported Trade Proposal:
  • Warriors considered trading Draymond Green to Lakers for a future protected draft pick (30:01).
• Debate: Would Draymond Have Moved the Needle?
  • Joe Johnson: “He’ll bring an element to the Lakers that they don’t have—toughness, nastiness, emotional leader… that dirty element. The guy you'll hate to play against but you'll love him on your team.” (34:43)
  • Discussion on Marcus Smart’s inability to stay healthy and what the Lakers need culturally.
  • “If they was gonna get Draymond for just a draft pick, it probably wouldn't be bad. You ain't really gotta give nothing up…Is he a scoring threat? Nah.” — Joe Johnson (35:36)

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4. LeBron’s MEMPHIS/MILWAUKEE Comments & Public Backlash

Timestamps: 38:49–56:51

• Context:
  • LeBron said he dislikes playing in Memphis and Milwaukee. (38:49)
  • Clarifies not about the people—just doesn’t like those road trips.
• Media & Public Outcry:
  • “His words weigh heavy…This is what comes with his greatness.” — Joe Johnson (43:36)
  • Ocho and Joe agree people take LeBron's words out of context, and criticize him regardless of whether he’s being honest or silent.
  • “Right message, wrong messenger. That's all.” — Liberty City Legend (52:52)
• Lifestyle Insight:
  • Shannon/Chad break down the comfort differences in NBA travel, presidential suites vs. regular hotel rooms, and why LeBron’s perspective is unique and not “elitist” as some claimed.
  • “When you worth a billion dollars and there's nothing wrong…They ain't trying to sleep on no regular bed in a regular hotel.” — Chad Ochocinco (51:56)
  • “When you get used to something, and then all of a sudden…the way we grew up and what we ate, we could eat that now if we wanted to. But we tried to get out of that situation.” — Chad Ochocinco (49:17)
  • “You just want guys to say…I got what LeBron said…when you make the company, people still think that you're okay sleeping on us. I just wish people for…the people that's complaining…get accustomed to a lifestyle now for, let's just say, 20 years, and all of a sudden it go away. How you think they respond?” — Chad Ochocinco (55:10)

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5. Athlete Injuries, Recovery, and Playing Through Pain

Timestamps: 65:06–77:47

• Luka Doncic Injury Discussion:
  • Luka’s injury seen as a major setback, especially given the challenge of returning from a hamstring at the NBA level.
• Personal Injury Stories:
  • Joe Johnson and Shannon Sharpe share vivid descriptions of playing with injuries: “You do anything to get back out there on that field or that court.” — Joe Johnson (70:28)
  • “The freshest, the healthiest you'll be is the day you walk your ass in the training camp. Because after that, ain't no more 100." — Chad Ochocinco (71:31)
  • “An hour before that game, 30 minutes before that game, they're gonna put that needle in your shoulder, your ankle, your ass, your shoulder, your rib. You still gonna get that needle? Yeah. You did all of that?” — Chad Ochocinco (72:34)
• Life After Playing:
  • Candid talk about joint replacements, residual pain, and the costs born by former players.
  • “I done been on that knife a few times. It ain’t pretty.” — Joe Johnson (69:36)
  • “How y' all think I broke down like this, man? Ain't no way they playing with the stuff I played with.” — Chad Ochocinco (71:09)
• Team Travel & Accommodations:
  • Discussion on NBA’s hotel policies and why specialized hotels for pros are unlikely. (59:28)
  • Extra perspective on travel inconvenience, double rooms for rookies vs. single rooms for vets, and how amenities—or the lack thereof—can impact players’ performances and comfort.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Cooper Flagg:
  • "They couldn't have. They didn't have an answer for Cooper Flag. He got to his spots, he did whatever he wanted." — Chad Ochocinco (08:39)
  • “I'm not surprised by this, Joe. How has the. How has he been able to assimilate so well to the NBA game as an 18 year old?” — Chad Ochocinco (09:45)
• Joe Johnson on LeBron's Mindset:
  • “He wanted to get them involved because he knew in order for them to win, he needed somebody to come along with him.” (11:43)
• Shannon Sharpe on Athlete Toughness:
  • “There's time, like, guys—not Ocho. Ain't no way they playing with the stuff I played with…You got some dudes, I'm shooting it up…” (71:12)
• On LeBron’s Criticism:
  • “If you like what he's saying…Yes. That's what I'm talking about…But if you don't, shut your mouth.” — Chad Ochocinco (48:03)
• Athlete Realities:
  • “The average person wouldn't understand…they only see Sunday games, NFL games, they only see the NBA when it comes on ESPN…It’s a whole build up before we even get to that.” — Joe Johnson (71:54)
• On Giving Back & Activism:
  • “If I only gave to a cause that benefited me…What am I doing?...I don't give. I don't support for you to advertise and what I've done…Because if you do that, you want praise. You want adulation, you give for the wrong reasons.” — Chad Ochocinco (54:49)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Cooper Flagg’s Performance: 07:35–16:19
• LeBron’s Approach & Lakers’ Struggles: 11:30–21:26
• Warriors-Draymond-Lakers Rumor: 30:00–37:49
• LeBron’s Memphis/Milwaukee Comments: 38:49–56:51
• Injury Stories & Athlete Pain: 65:06–77:47

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Conclusion

The Nightcap crew delivers energetic, insightful, and personal commentary on the NBA’s breaking headlines. This episode is especially rich for fans wanting hot takes on Cooper Flagg’s rise, the Lakers’ playoff fragility, the real lives of NBA pros, and unvarnished conversations about fame, injury, and public perception. The episode's tone is raw, humorous, and brutally honest—a true “nightcap” for any sports fanatic.

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And the performance that he had. So I'm not surprised by this, Joe. How has the. How has he been able to assimilate so well to the NBA game as an 18 year old?

[Joe Johnson]

I think Cooper Flag is a hell of a talent, Uncle Ocho. I just. I feel like, you know, without them playing playoff basketball, he's able to just kind of go out there and play freely, have fun, play his game. Obviously they've told him to be ultra aggressive. I thought he started off the game super aggressive. What he had 19:20 in the first quarter. I said, man, the Lakers in trouble. I'm gonna tell you why the Lakers in trouble. Cause Bron come out there on that pass and stuff to start the game, bro. You know them two turnover, them turnovers. His first two possessions were turnovers. Yep. Like, they were turnovers. Then you know, the first quarter he probably had three, four turnovers. I like the Braun. When he came out in the second quarter, asserted himself, you know, being aggressive, getting to the bucket, putting pressure on the defense. Them other guys gonna have to catch up, bro. You can't. I know he trying to start the game off, get Aiden some easy ones, you know, get. Get the mother guys some easy buckets. But I think, you know, this is an assessment that he. That he has to make without Luca, without AR being out there. He. Today I think he kind of tried to fill it out, try to get guys going. Second quarter, he turned it up. I think that's how he gonna have to play unk. He gonna have to come out, force feed himself, get off to a great start, and then once they start doubling him, triple teaming them, then you can start being passive and let these guys. But to start the way they started the game, the way he was turning the ball of, I just felt they dug themselves a deep hole and Cooper Flag confidence was through the roof. They couldn't do nothing with him. They couldn't do nothing with him, Augur. Ocho. And he looked. He looked great tonight. He looked great. And you're right, he probably will win rookie of the year now. He probably will.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Go ahead, Ocho.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Hey, Joe, I just want to ask you something real quick. You think LeBron in that first half, I mean, in that first half he came out and wanted to be more. More passive as far as getting his teammates involved to take some of the pressure off of him.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I think he wanted to get them involved because he knew in order for them to win, he needed somebody to come along with him.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what I mean?

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And I just felt some of them passes he was trying to make, man, he could have been shooting them. He could have had 10 to 12 points in the first quarter himself.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Versus trying to be super unselfish, man. We need you to be a bull in a china shop.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You hear me? Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You got to get to it. For real.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You.

[Joe Johnson]

You missing 50, 55 points with AR and. And Luca out. Yeah, man, you got to. You got to get it how you live, bro. You gotta hope. You gotta hope that Aiden or. Or Luke Canard, which I thought he played great, he just.

[Chad Ochocinco]

First career triple double.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. He just didn't shoot the ball well. He didn't shoot the ball well, but for the most part, you know, he got to have somebody who's going to come along, Come along with him and produce.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I. I agree with you, Joe, because at one point, Luke Canard had more shot attempts than LeBron. Yeah, that's unacceptable. I mean, you got to be. You see. Hey, I understand. And LeBron is old enough to be Cooper Flag's dad. As a matter of fact, Bronnie is older than Cooper Flag.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So that. With that being said, you see how he was, how aggressive he was? You're gonna have to match that because your guys, your auxiliary guys, they're not going to be able to play well enough if you don't get out to the great start in order because you're going to dig yourself a hole and you don't have Luca to bounce back. You don't have Luca that can take the game over. You don't have AR. That's giving you, as Joe said, those 53, 55 points that you normally would have between those two guys. So with that being said, you passing the ball. Yeah. He got 15 assists. And everybody's like, oh, no, no, no, no. I would rather have 10 assists and 10 more shot attempts.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's what he. That's what he needed to try to keep the Lakers afloat until everybody. Okay, now I'm going to make you double. But it was look. Looking like. Okay, I'm a back. Let me see who I can scan. And I'm. I'mma pass the ball, as you mentioned. I'm g. Pass the ball to eight and I'mma pass the ball to Laravia. Laravia definitely had a bad day shooting the basketball 3 of 11. But I. I just thought. I just thought LeBron was too passive to begin with. But Joe, at this point in time, this is in nature. I don't know if he knows really?

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

How?

[Chad Ochocinco]

At this juncture? Because for so long, he's been kind of pass first.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I think he's been so passive because Ar and Luca has been so great throughout the whole season. That's why I say I ain't gonna put too much into this game, but I kind of am because, Uncle Ocho, the Mavericks ain't have no business even being in the game with these dudes, man. You got to put these dudes away. They ain't playing for nothing. They just playing for the season to be over with. Y' all in the third spot. You know what I'm saying?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't know for how much longer, though, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

I know. I'm just saying, like, that's a game you got to win. You playing the Mavs, That's a game you got to win. Okay. Oh, Joe, hold on, hold on, Joe,

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

you're missing your two most important players. You in the third spot for one reason. I mean, two of the reasons why you're in the third spot. You know, them boys hurt, and then LeBron, you know, he had 41. You know what? Let me get everybody else involved so I could save some of this injury for the back half of the game. You know, if I come. If he insert himself right away off the jump, you know, and get it off the muscle, hell, he probably gonna suffer on the back end in the end of the game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Do you know how many teams these guys have been on? Do you know how many teams Luke Canard has been on? Do you know? I mean. I mean. I mean, so what. What do we. What are we expecting here? I mean, this. This is the Mavericks. Do you see where they are?

[Joe Johnson]

That's what I'm saying.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think they. 13 or 15 teams, so they're. They're only. They're only 15 teams in the west. They're 13.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You have enough?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, more than enough.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You have enough, huh? You have enough to win this guy

[Joe Johnson]

to beat this team.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Playoff game. Yeah, I'm saying winning this game against the average.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Oh, this specific game, because the math

[Joe Johnson]

playing so bad outside, outside of Cooper Flag, what else did they really have? That. Really?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nothing.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

What about young Bull? Williams?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who?

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Williams.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Randall Williams. Yeah, he could play.

[Joe Johnson]

He could play Ocho. But. But I'm speaking from a standpoint of, you know, game changers like Cooper Flag was ultra aggressive in that first quarter, and I think Braun should have matched that energy that he was bringing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, yes.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what I mean? Because you dig a hole, man. You give up, man. Listen, this Mavericks team, they gave up

[Chad Ochocinco]

41 in the first.

[Joe Johnson]

41 points in the first quarter, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Like. Yeah, what they give up the other night against the thunder? Yeah, 45, 50 in the first. So here we, Here we go again. And they gave up another 40 in the third quarter.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So now what's happening is when you're not aggressive, you have to be aggressive because you can't defend, can't get stops, you can't defend. You get it within four and guess what? They come back three, two, three. And what was a four point lead now is back to a 12 point lead because you can't get stops.

[Joe Johnson]

You can't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Bro, they can't get a stop. You found Flag would do. Would put him in the pick. And he called. Hey, give me canard. He goes to the basket. Hey, he get Laravia. He goes to the basket. Yeah, he's ultra aggressive. He shot 17 file attempts and 17. There's no way LaRabia should have one fewer file shots than LeBron because that tells me Larabia is aggressive getting to the. Jackson Hayes has eight file attempts. LeBron had nine. Yeah, and played 39 minutes. LeBron needed at least 15. Be Like Cooper Flag has 17 shot attempt, five shot attempts and 27 shot attempts. I needed to. Bro. We needed LeBron. We needed LeBron to be a little bit more aggressive. Look, I mean, you look at his stat line, you talk about a guy that's 41 years of age, almost had a triple double, 30 points, 15 assists, nine rebounds. And I meant you mentioned Joe. He turned the ball over early, but he had 15 assists, only four turnovers. Yeah, he probably had all came in the first, the first half, first quarter.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. And it just, it just, it just puts you in a, in a deep bind. Especially, you know, you got a, A team like the Mavericks who were front running in that first quarter. And I'm thinking like, man, Braun just gotta put his head down, get to the bucket, make them call some fouls, put them, put them in. In some unfortunate situations. And I just felt, you know, by the time he got into his own in the second quarter, Uncle Ocho, I ain't gonna say it was too late. Cause they got back in the game, but they just don't have the firepower to be fighting back uphill. You know what I mean?

[Chad Ochocinco]

But you know what it is though? Joe and Ocho, when you get behind and you can't get stops, how do you. How do you get. You can't get stops to begin with. You've given up 50 points, you've given up 45, you're giving up 41. So if you fall behind 10, 12, 14. Do you know how hard it is? Because all teams do say, look, do not settle for jump shots. Put the ball on the floor. The initial guy, if he stops you, wide open.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello.

[Chad Ochocinco]

See what Cooper flag does. He puts the ball on the floor. They come with help. He kicks three.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He puts a, a Walker puts the ball on the floor. Excuse me, Marshall. And then guess what? When they come, he lobs. That is the problem when you cannot stop anybody and you got to bring help. You've now compromised everything.

[Joe Johnson]

I agree.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Because if I have to bring someone else to guard the front door, I lead the windows or I lead the back door. Vulnerable. That's the Lakers in a nutshell.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Team defense, but their team is compromised when guys are getting beat off the muscle.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I, I, I, I agree with you. I think the disheartening thing, if I'm J.J. redick, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to talk to Braun. I'm just going, you know, from, from jump. I'm gonna be honest with you. Hey, we need you to come out blazing from the start. I don't give a damn if you go over 12 in the first quarter. We need you to be aggressive. Oo, yeah, listen, it's gonna get harder now. You, you got OKC on Tuesday.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, that's a loss. Yeah, they play.

[Joe Johnson]

I think, I think they playing in la. They may have.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It don't matter. They can play in la. Okc, the moon, Jupiter.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

This. Your, this your team. You, you don't, you don't believe in them.

[Joe Johnson]

He gotta keep it 100.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No. Yeah. LeBron my guy, the Lakers. When LeBron leave, I'm not, I still like Lucas, so I still probably root for them, but it doesn't, it doesn't. They, they lost by 40 with. With AR and Luca. What do you think they're gonna do? And this team blew out the Mavericks with Luca and with Luca.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So I just know. No, no, no, no. Because LeBron is gonna, you know, LeBron's gonna have a high CIS total and not nearly enough. I'm, I would have not been he. You know what the approach he needed to have. Joe, you remember when Kevin Love and Kyrie got hurt?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He had getting up 35. He's getting up 40 shot attempts. Yeah, yeah.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

He can't shoot at a high volume like that right now, huh? At 40, at 41. You know the type of Joe we're

[Chad Ochocinco]

not asking him to slide. Ocho. We're not asking to be in the chair. Basically offense.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Okay?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Be Luca don't play no D. They

[Joe Johnson]

just can't get off to them slow stars, man, them slow starts key. Especially when you ain't high power offensively. Ojo, you know what I mean? You can't. Man, this Dallas Maverick said you should have came out put your foot on their neck, homie.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Thank you right off.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Rip.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, because listen, they not playing for nothing. The one thing we know about bad teams, bro, they'll find a way to lose. You know what I mean? If you come out and compete and play hard. They play harder than the Lakers tonight. I'm just keeping real.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They did.

[Joe Johnson]

They played harder than him. He wanted to be spoilers.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean. And the Lakers out rebound them. I mean the Lakers out rebounding by 49. But you let them shoot. They shot 44% from the three Lakers. Lakers are a poor shoe. Three point shooting team. Only made 8 of 27. Missed another seven free throws.

[Joe Johnson]

It's tough, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They picked it. They picked the Lakers. I mean the basketball guys punish the Lakers at the most inopportune of times.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cuz you're 4 to 6 week without AR and you're probably going to be. You're going to be. You're going to the playoff. Luke ain't coming back. Luke ain't coming back.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't think so. Ne. I don't think so neither. And you better hope AR come back

[Chad Ochocinco]

because if he don't come back, he got four to six weeks. That's if I. If. And that's the if he got a very similar injury to what Mookie bets. They put Mookie B on there, the il the injury list. Because yeah, now all of a sudden it's a. It's a negative connotation that comes with DL so now we got to say IO but they put him on the IL with an oblique injury. And if they listed four to six weeks.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh yeah. Hey, it's first round exit for them. Yeah, first round. First round exit. Because if you go down, I feel

[Chad Ochocinco]

they can get past the Timberwolves. If they, if they'd had. If they'd had. If they had. I didn't have them going farther than the first round anyway. Even when everybody intact, they're not beating. They're not beating OKC and they're not beating San Antonio. So I had them with this. With everybody intact with Luke and Ar, LeBron them. I had them getting past the first round. I believe they were going to be able to beat the Timberwolves this year.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But no, they're not getting out of the first round. No, absolutely not.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah. Cause if you dropped, you move down to that fourth spot. Who in the fifth spot? That's Devil.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You get the Rockets.

[Joe Johnson]

The Rockets, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You're not beating the Rockets. Not with.

[Joe Johnson]

No, no. That's why I feel like this game was so important, man. And I just. I mean, the start that they had, bro, like you said that first in that third quarter, giving up 40 plus points. Damn, it's gonna be hard to beat a team like that, bro. Especially. Especially when they ain't playing for nothing. They ain't even no playing. They ain't in the playoffs. They ain't doing nothing. You let them dudes come out here and just basically be spoilers.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's it. Cause you know what they want to do, Joe? They want to end. They don't want to have no injuries, bro. I'm trying to get to Cancun. I'm trying to get to Jamaica. I'm trying to get to somewhere with no injuries because I don't try. I ain't trying to have no surgery. I ain't trying to rehab for an extra week or two when everybody sees and everybody done dispersed. That's not in the playoffs. And here we are, we ain't got nothing to play for that season over and I gotta stay here, I gotta have a surgery or I gotta rehab for two extra weeks. So they were. Hey, they excited to like. Hey, man. Hey, bro. What, hey, what you got going on, man? Hey, I got me a tea time separate. Hey, me and old me and the Mrs. Me and such and such going, hey, I got a balcony in Cancun. Yeah, Tulum calling my name.

[Joe Johnson]

I already got my flight in my room and everything

[Chad Ochocinco]

doing this. But we. What I don't understand, Joe. But we shouldn't be surprised because when you. We've seen them give up these 40s, huge high 30s, 40 point quarters, knowing they can't pay, play defense. The problem that you have when you do that, how do you get back in the game? Do you understand? So now if you match bucket for bucket, all you're doing is trading baskets. Yep. I steal your egg, you steal it right back. What have you done?

[Joe Johnson]

You're right. Because if you can't get stops, hell,

[Chad Ochocinco]

that's the only way you can get. If you down, the only way you can get back in the game is get stops.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they can't.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

They can't do that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They can't because they can't. Because they cannot keep the initial, man. Hey, Williams, I'm like, we like to look like Kenny Anderson. He starts stopping right to the basket. Cooper flag. I was like, well, damn, I understand he's a big kid. But I was like, ain't no resistance. Ain't nobody gonna take it. Ain't nobody can say, you know what? Damn, f. F this. Hey, bro, I ain't got no. Hey, I ain't got no. I ain't got no offense tonight. Let me see what I can do. A fella.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But don't. So don't nobody care they transit Lakers

[Joe Johnson]

transition defense stinks, bro. I'm talking about it stinks. I'm talking about it seemed like if the Lakers scored, they were still getting beat down the court. I'm like, damn, man, y' all gotta build a wall. The man got 19, 20 points in the first quarter, man. We got to cut his water off. You hear me? That's the only person who killing us.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

He do do something, try at least try to cut it off.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What about pride, Ocho? Don't you got what you have pride? Like, man, damn this.

[Joe Johnson]

Chuck him one time.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, hold on. Wait a minute. Hey, would you say Prime Jordan, Prime Kobe, a rookie getting 19 and a quarter.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Would you say, joe, do what to him?

[Joe Johnson]

Chuck. Chuck his ass one time. Ocho hit him in his chest. Let him know when he come running down there barreling down that truck, man, you got this. Hey, man. Huh?

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

That boy tall with it, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Man, he. Ocho the man ain't but 19. Hell, you can chug him. He'll probably. He'll slow down.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Trust me.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

What give him something to think about, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Man, you got to, bro. He get it rolling like that. Ocho, the man had 19 points in the first quarter, bro. Like the shots he was taking. He was taking some tough shots, and he was making them, but at the same time, there just wasn't no defensive resistance. Whenever he was attacking the basket, whenever he had the ball, he brought it up freely. It just seems like, man, they had nobody who could just sit down in the chair and even try to guard him. That's what it seemed like.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't think. Like I said, yeah, the. At some point in time, pride got to kick in.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And anytime you get guys like this, the. The. The great players, you let them get going, it's over. I don't give a damn what you throw at them.

[Joe Johnson]

It's a R. The whole point is

[Chad Ochocinco]

not to let them get going. Yeah,

[Joe Johnson]

absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now you. Now you done let him get going now. He done saw the ball go in the basket. Now you. You saw him in the third quarter. He throwing stuff up. They followed him. He throwed it up there. Boop, boop in the basket. And one and one. I'm like, well, damn, it's.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, y' all know it's different, man, when you. I don't know, like, when the season winding down and you just count down for the season to be over with and you ain't playing for nothing. You don't. You. You have no pressure on you to play, so you can there and just have fun, enjoy the game. And that's what it seemed like Cooper Flag was like. He ain't got no pressure to be. You know what I mean? Like, you know, they ain't playing no meaningful ball. So he just had 51 the other night. Now he. He bounced back with a 45 like, bruh, yeah, you had. You gotta chug him, bro. You got to. You got to stop him in his tracks.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, it's a situation where I'm not playing late in the season. And we are to the playoffs, bro. I ain't trying to have no surgeries. No, I'm not trying to have no surgeries.

[Joe Johnson]

And you got the third spot. Y' all playing for something. You know, you down two of your best guys. Hey, fella, let's try to get these boys out of here early. Let's cut they water off. He chilling. Look,

[Chad Ochocinco]

you ready to go, baby?

[Joe Johnson]

That was disappointing. That was a disappointing performance by the Lakers, fellas. They giving away too many points, too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

134. You. First of all, you're not gonna win a game like that without two of your best players. Probably arguably your two best players, man.

[Joe Johnson]

They supposed to be. They supposed to beat these boys. I know, I know. The Mavericks score 134, but the Lakers got to be better than that. Oo. They gotta be better than that, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But they gave up Joe. But they gave up 80. 80 plus point. 80 plus points in two quarters. So if you. If you extrapolate that, they only gave up 50 points in the other quarters.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay. Without your firepower, you let them advance the ball, you let them advance too

[Joe Johnson]

much now, you got yourself in a world of trouble, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

A heap of it. Heap of trouble.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Ah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The warriors reportedly almost traded Draymond Green to the Lakers for a free future draft pick, per Brett Siegel, after making a strong pitch for Giannis at the trade deadline, one included all their future draft capital.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, I'm just kidding.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

That's innerbalance.com the Kaminga Moses Moody as well as the possibility of flipping Draymond for an extra draft pick, the Bucks signal that they weren't ready to move the superstar big man. At one point, there was a proposal put together by the Doves that would have sent Green to the Laker for a future protected draft pick, sources said. Joe Lakers get Draymond. Is this moving the needle?

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know, I'll be honest with you. But what I will say is, you know, he'll bring an element to them to, to the Lakers that they don't have. You know, that toughness, that nastiness, that emotional leader. They need that, bro. If they had that, maybe it would Help them out to some degree. You know what I mean?

[Chad Ochocinco]

But they got that with Marcus Mark. But he can't stay healthy. Yeah, he can't stay healthy.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Go back and look at his last couple of years. Look at. Look at his last in Memphis. How many games did he even play? How many games did Marcus Smart play in Memphis?

[Joe Johnson]

He didn't play a lot.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's injured. And, you know, Joe, you know what happened, Ocho. You never had this happen. But if you're injured, as you start to get older, those injuries starts to come with greater regularity, and they keep your ass out for extended, longer periods of time. It's as simple as that. You don't get healthy as you get older.

[Joe Johnson]

Right. Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. Hey, look, check this out, though. But if they was gonna get Draymond for just a draft pick, it probably wouldn't be bad. You know what I mean? You ain't really gotta give nothing up. You give up a draft pick, you get unprotected.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. So you're right.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. You get a guy who knows how to play. Is he a scoring threat? Nah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, he gonna defend. He gonna play hard. He gonna bring a little dirty element to the game that. I'm just being real. It's a guy you'll probably hate to play against, but I promise you, you'll love him on your team. You know what I mean? One of those type of dudes,

[Chad Ochocinco]

they need. They needed something. I mean, Jackson Hayes. Jackson Hayes is playing. Playing hell, playing out of his damn mind. 8 of 10. He shoots a high percentage. Cause he's rolling to the basket. He's doing these seven to eight on free throw attempts. Gave you 23 points in 27 minutes.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, 23.

[Chad Ochocinco]

27. 23 points in 27 minutes.

[Joe Johnson]

He playing hard as. I don't know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I thought Rui played well. I need a little bit more out of you, Roy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

With that body you got, Cooper flag shouldn't be able to walk you down like that.

[Joe Johnson]

I agree.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He shouldn't know. He should know. No way. No way in hell, ISO.

[Joe Johnson]

No, I agree. I agree. I thought. I thought Rui got off to a great start in that first quarter, Uncle. I think he had probably 10, 12 points after the first quarter.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep.

[Joe Johnson]

And I ain't gonna say he tape it off, but he played a. He played a fine game. He played well enough for him to win. I just think defensively, without anybody out there taking a challenge. I don't care who you playing, man, it's gonna be hard to win in the NBA. I mean, you're giving up way too many points.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Easy points.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And you know the one thing the Lakers don't do? They don't stop the initial drive and they don't defend the three.

[Joe Johnson]

They don't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

How you win like that.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know, guys.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now, guys shoot the three ball too well, Joe, to have uncontested threes.

[Joe Johnson]

You're right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They shoot the ball too well. It ain't no. Hey, hey. He with us, okay? You lead the guy, the worst guy that you think, knocking it down, boom, in your face. And now, plus, the fact of the matter is, like I said, off the dribble. You're not stopping anybody. You're not stopping anybody. Damn it.

[Joe Johnson]

Don't get no easier for him now, fellas. Hell, no. That's probably the easiest game they had to end the season.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

How many more games left?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, it's games like when they had. Who did they lose? They lost a couple of games, Joe. They had to lead and they end up losing. Remember, Luka didn't get the shot off at the three.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They were leading the whole game and ended up giving that game up. They gave two games away that they should have won. That should be their cushion. So now you win two games and now you got the cushion and you're still in the third seat. But because you lost those games and now you got a scratch. Here's where. Here's where we are. LeBron was asked about the backlash from the comments on Memphis. Here's what he had to say. Did I say I don't like black people?

[Joe Johnson]

No, I don't say that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But there were people who were wondering why Memphis was targeted. Like Milwaukee was, too. They missed that one, too.

[Joe Johnson]

I didn't see that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Not as much conversation. Okay. Milwaukee as well. 41 years old. It's two cities I do not like playing in right now. That's no walking and ask, what is your problem? I don't like going home either, and I'm from there. What is People. People are ridiculous. Also get mad at my son being on the team, too.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

So what are we talking about?

[Chad Ochocinco]

People need to. People need to figure out other ways to put their energy to other things that's important. Like seriously not talking about the city like the people in ne.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, I'm just kidding.

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[Joe Johnson]

That's innerbalance.com Man, Joe, one thing Braun knows. I know he has to know this. His words weigh heavy on Ocho.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what I mean? Like you speak on these cities. Yes. It's gonna be some backlash because of who you are. You are arguably the greatest player to ever play this game. Yeah, they always, they, they. So they hang on to everything that you say. I don't care what it is. And he knows it. You know what I mean? So I can see he was a little frustrated in there. But you know, this, this is what. This is part of, you know, his greatness, man. This is what comes with it. It's unfortunate, but y' all know this what comes with it.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah, I understand what he's saying. Joe. You understand what he's saying? I think he knows exactly that, how powerful whose words are. But I mean, sometimes it's okay. To be honest, you know, I don't have any. I don't have a problem with the people in Milwaukee, I don't have a problem with the people in Memphis, but when it comes to playing basketball in Memphis, in Milwaukee, I don't enjoy it at my age, I just don't. He's just being honest about it now. It's people that live in Milwaukee and people that live in Memphis, they'll probably take it the wrong way and take it out of context instead of understanding the perspective in which he's saying it. By. But I mean, I, I kind of get it. I've never been to Milwaukee. I've never been to, you know, to Memphis. So I'm, I'm not sure what it's like. I mean, Joe, you could, you, you. I mean, what's the problem playing in Milwaukee and playing in Memphis?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, the thing for me, I enjoy going to Memphis because I'm from Arkansas. That's an hour and 45 minute drive. So anytime I played in Memphis, hell, I had to get 15 at a full house. I had to get 15, 20 tickets. So it's a different feeling for me than it is for Braun, you know what I mean? Versus, you know, playing in Milwaukee. No, it's not a lot to do in those cities, bro. But you know, we understand what we signed up for, we understand our job. And these are cities that we have to stop in and play in. It's just part of it. We look this Braun, 23rd season, y' all think this is the first time he done played in Milwaukee or Memphis. He been playing in there for 23 years.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah,

[Chad Ochocinco]

when you used to think about it. But for 23 years he stayed at the Ritz Carlton, he stayed at the Four Seasons, he stayed at the Montage, he stayed at the Beverly Wilshire. Y' all gotta see what people gotta do is that, man. So now you, bro, when you worth a billion dollars and there's nothing wrong, I stay at Hyatt, I stay at Marriott's. Yeah, but you can't put yourself in that situation. You keep saying, oh, no, you, you too good for the Hyatt. Yes, everybody that made that kind of money, they're too good for the Hyatt. I'm not too good for the hire. I ain't made that kind of money. I will keep it a stack with you guys. I'm not too good to stay at a higher or Marriott. Hey, hey, a Best Western day is in. If I gotta say whatever, I'm not LeBron. But, but y'. All. But people are looking at LeBron like here everyday. Joe, Smoke, when you get used to a certain thing, right it's hard. That man. So he going from city to city.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

He's.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Let's just say for the sake of argument, he's on a seven, eight game road trip. And he's at Four Seasons. And he stayed in the Presidential suite. That's where he stayed. Yeah, he's at the Risk Garden or the Four Season in the Presidential suite. Or the montage. I think they changed the montage that was in Beverly Hills or shows right down the street from where we had the lunch at the Palm.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, they changed the name of it. I don't feel if somebody from la, y' all know, tell me what it is. So you go, presidential suite, Ritz Carlton, Presidential suite, Four season Presidential suite, Montage. Presidential suite, Beverly Wilshire, king size room at the Hyatt. So you go from standing three, I don't know if y' all notice it, but Google, see if you can pull up what the presidential suites look like at the Ritz Carton in fourth season. And look at what a king size room. I'm just speaking, like from him, what he's thinking and what he said. He said it out loud. Yeah, he said it out loud. But you know what? This is why Michael kept his mouth shut.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And y' all criticizing because he didn't take a stand on nothing. LeBron is taking stands.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And a lot of these guys didn't take stands. And you beat them up. So when the man is honest. So in other words, if you like what he's saying. Yes, yes. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. But if you don't shut your mouth.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You can't have it both ways. You just can't, people, you can't. I understood what he was talking about. He said, Bro, I'm 23, I don't want to play in there. He can't. I mean, for the first, for the most part, I don't know, Joe, you could speak better than this. Because in football, I didn't go out. I didn't go out to the city. I didn't go when we got the Ocho, you know, we have a whole lot of damn time. Four o', clock, you got damn meetings at 7:30.

[Joe Johnson]

So, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ain't like you got a whole lot of time to do anything. I'm. I'm assuming, like, if you get there early enough for the city, y' all probably want to go out to eat. And he's probably like, man, I really can't go out to eat. LeBron ain't going nowhere without his guy. He got his guy with him. Randy is always going to be with him, and he always has a security guy with him.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you ain't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You ain't going. I think. I think Joe, honestly, I think he was talking about, man, when you get used to something, and then all of a sudden, like, the way we grew up and what we ate, we could eat that now if we wanted to.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But we tried to get out of that situation, so. Because we don't want to eat that because we have to.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, LeBron is like, Bro, I don't got. Man, I done got used to this, bro, I ain't trying to stay in no kingdom. No regular king room. King room suit me just fine.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, George, we got enough room to sit up? Yep. I'm good. That's all I need. I'm just. Hopefully y' all don't get the bed in the background.

[Joe Johnson]

Other than that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Other than that, it is what it is. But me, nah, nah. I ain't gonna never be too big to stay at one of them.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey, Why. I will tell you, though, you ain't. You ain't going out doing nothing in. In Memphis nor Milwaukee. You're not going out in the cities, period.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You may not. Milwaukee, Are they open past 10? Is anything. Oh, open. Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know. I'm 10 o'.

[Redfin Advertiser]

Clock.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. That's kind of like Utah. Yeah. Everything.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

I would at least say 2:00am Hell, no.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Milwaukee. Yes.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Everything closed. I mean, I'm assuming, hey, it's either the cutoff is 2am yeah, it gotta be. It should be 2am Everywhere. That's universal.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, it ain't.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Except. Except for the big cities. Miami, Houston.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

They.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They. That's.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

They late.

[Joe Johnson]

I ain't never been out in Milwaukee. I ain't. I've been out before. This is a long, long, long time. They're back When? Memphis in May. I don't know if y' all remember Memphis in May. Y' all ever heard of Memphis in May? It used to be jumping back then, like, the whole month of May. Memphis used to be jumping. We should. I've been down there a couple times, but for the most part. Nah, man, it ain't a whole hell of a lot to do in those cities.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Everybody but. And everybody have said that, man, Memphis is not a place that I want to go in. Memphis is not a place that I want to be. Everybody say that, but LeBron said, Now it's a problem. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And I guess I Mean, people say, well, he got upset because he. They talk about move the thing from Nashville. Okay. Nashville has four seasons, I'm assuming, and Riz Carlton.

[Joe Johnson]

Nashville. They do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cause, you know, I may or may not have stayed in one. But I'm just saying.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay, okay. Yeah. You had your little hostage down there in Nashville.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, no, we went. We went down to Tennessee State. So espn. That's really the only time I've ever been to Nashville.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

With Tennessee. Well, with espn. And so that's. That's where they put us. But no, I mean, for me. But you got to realize, I mean, me is different than LeBron.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And different from, you know, like celebrities. You got to realize they back. They used to sleeping on 10, 15, 20 thousand dollar bed. Don't joke, man. They ain't trying to sleep on no regular bed in a regular hotel.

[Joe Johnson]

What'd you say that. That three count got to be a little.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Oprah brought her own sheets. They probably treat. They probably treat. They probably treat them like, Like. No, I was like, ah, nah, nah. Me.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, nah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But everybody. I just think the thing is, LeBron is that he's just. He's just a hot button. And no matter what he says, they talk about. Well, he said, look who he said it in front of. So if he said it in people, if he said in front of me, Joe and Ocho, y' all would have felt something. Y' all wouldn't have felt that way, Huh?

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

I mean, listen, it hit the same way regardless of who he said in front of. It's just the fact that he's the one saying it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, right.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Right message, wrong messenger. That's all.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The problem is, is that you always want guys to say. You want him to jump out on topics. We talk about this. Talk about George Floyd and talk about this and talk about Philando Castile and talk about Eric Garner and talk about Sandra Bland and talk about this. Okay, he talk about that. But the moment he say one thing that y' all don't agree with, off with them. Off with the head.

[Joe Johnson]

They take it and run.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What about all the things that he said that he stood on? What about the millions of dollars that he gave his hometown of Akron for people to go to school?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Don't nobody remember that unless it direct, unless it benefit them directly. I mean, they're clap. They're clap for you. You know, they congratulate you. But most of the time, hey, if it don't benefit them, they don't Care and they can't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But there's a lot of stuff that don't benefit them, Ocho. It doesn't. But what makes us unique is when things don't benefit us, we still stand for it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, everybody in the civil rights movement wasn't. Didn't. Had. Just didn't have a job or didn't have access to certain things. But a lot of people put their lives and put their careers on the line because it benefited others.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

If only the people that are impacted, there ain't no movement that's ever going to be successful. If only the people that are impacted protest or have an outrage. Only when the people that not as impacted, that is not impacted, are as equally as upset as the people that are. That is the only way that anything could get done.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

If I only gave to a cause that benefited me, Ocho. What. What. What am I doing? So only money I'm gonna give if the call don't benefit me. To hell with y'. All. Hey, I don't. I mean, maybe there are some people that think like that. I don't think like that.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Because there are some causes, Ocho, that's not going to impact me. Okay? But I think. I think they're worthy causes. So I. I give.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Simple.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I got a simple thing, Joe. When I give, Ocho, and I told you this, Ocho, don't mention where you got this from because I'll never give it to you again.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Because I don't give. I don't give. I don't support for you to advertise and what I've done.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cause I don't want. Because if you do that, you won't.

[Joe Johnson]

You won't praise.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You want adulation, you give him for the wrong reasons.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, I agree. I agree with you on that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But I. I got what LeBron said. LeBron is basically saying, look, and I. I guess that when you make the company, people still think that you okay sleeping on us. I just wish people for, like the people that's complaining. I wish they could get accustomed to a lifestyle now for, let's just say 20 years, and all of a sudden it go away. How you think they respond? Oo, but hold on.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah, you. You right. You right when you put it like that. But then the people gonna say it ain't nothing but a day or two. You talk about a day or two. You're in one city in a bed that you're not used to at a lifestyle that can inc. And conveniences. You for less than 24 to 48 hours.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, when you're an athlete, everything impacts you, you know?

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah, I absolutely know, but I'm just putting myself in those shoes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Like, like, God damn, you can't last. You can't Last a. A 24, 48 hour period without that damn lifestyle. Without your bed, without your whatever it may be. They can't, they can't understand it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You can understand another day like I grew up. I can't last another day. I could do a day right now.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, right. Nah, nah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

From what you be.

[Joe Johnson]

From what you done told us, how you grew up using the bathroom in the woods and all that, I ain't gonna lie, boy. Hey, that's tough. That's tough.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Like I said, Ocho, for me.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah,

[Chad Ochocinco]

they got enough of me.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Have I stayed at those high end places? Absolutely.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Sometimes I've been places they ain't got that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Going. Hey, going to make me that king size room. I'm good.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Hey, hey. Joe. Used to unc. Used to a certain lifestyle and, and staying there and never coming back. Coming back home like my. I can do that, but I have no problem doing the others. Yeah, I have no problem. You know, I ain't listen. When it's time for me to go to work, all businesses, they book me on Spirit and Delta. When I want to go somewhere and I got to take a trip, I'm on spirit. Exit row C13, 8. So I have a best of both worlds where I at times, if there's an inconvenience, a situation that inconveniences me, I'm okay. I'm comfortable. Because I know it ain't that long. Yeah, I know it is long. Okay. Damn. I can't stay at a king suite. A king suite or I can't stay in the suite. Oh, you got double beds for me? You know what? It's only one night.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, I do double.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

I could do with that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I do a king. I mean, I bid on. Hey, hey. Well, I'm sorry, Mr. Sharp, we don't have a king. The best we could do with the queen. Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But the double. Hell no. You came.

[Joe Johnson]

Imagine. Imagine being in there. Your feet always hang off the edge of the bed. So I can understand the uncomfortableness in that. You know what I'm saying?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. But I'm just speaking to like NBA players in general. Like, I'm average height for NBA players. Six, seven, six, eight. Y' all know there's average height in the NBA, right?

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So imagine guys who taller than me. I'm like, damn, bro, how you take a shower in there? How you even lay in the bed? You know what I mean? Because I'm struggling with my height.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, his face ain't got washed, his neck ain't got washed yet. You sell foot your neck dirty to the mug. I hate to see your college shirt.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, it's plenty. It's plenty of hotels I'd have been in from when I played in the NBA, uncle Ocho, that my head can almost touch the ceiling in the shower, you know what I mean? So imagine having to deal with that over and over. Or guys who have to be in

[Chad Ochocinco]

that duck down just.

[Joe Johnson]

Man. Yeah, yeah. So I can understand.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Go ahead, go ahead, Ocho.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Hey, Uncle Joe, why don't the NBA specifically have hotels in the cities? And I'm specifically for NBA players.

[Chad Ochocinco]

In the NBA you have to stay at a four or five star hotel if it's available. Yeah, it's not available.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Pacific Hotel strictly for NBA season with NBA player travel side where the beds, the showers and everything is doing that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ocho, you think the people gonna put custom bears in there just for, for, for somebody to come six months out

[Joe Johnson]

of the year, Right? That's what I'm gonna say. They ain't doing that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hell no, they ain't. Hey, look at them.

[Joe Johnson]

Because I feel like, I feel like we abnormal people from the jump. So like, you know, it ain't that the hotel ain't gonna be packed with people. Six, eight, six, nine.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Exactly, Right?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. So they gonna cater to the normal sized people. We just got to deal with whatever the hell it is they got.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Like you said, Ocho, they only come in there for a day or two. So you want me to copy, Want me to accommodate somebody for a day or two when people coming with this convention and they stay in a week.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

This big ass bed.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah, I mean, I, I understand, I understand.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But no, the NBA has it set up, Ocho. If it's available, a four or five star hotel, they have to stay in a Ritz carton or four season if it's available. Yeah, yeah, you know, they kept us in. We stay at Westerns, we stay at Marriott, we stay at Hyatt's. That what we are.

[Joe Johnson]

It's a lot of y' all though, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

See, man, y' all gotta understand.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, we're probably getting, we're probably getting. Well, I don't know how it was in Cincinnati, but in Denver we had our own rooms. Everybody had their own Room.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Of course,

[Chad Ochocinco]

some teams, they. I don't know if they still do it, but they were double A. Two people to a room.

[Joe Johnson]

That's some college.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

I think the younger players, the veterans. The veterans got a room to themselves. I mean, the veterans got a room to themselves. I think the younger players, they. They doubled up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, no, but everybody. It didn't matter, and I was so glad. But Dan, it had two to a room. And then Wade came, it was two to a room. If. Now, if you wanted, you could pay. You could pay extra and get a room yourself. You know what I'm saying? Get your own room. But you had to pay extra for it, right? Right there. When Mike came, everybody had their own room.

[Joe Johnson]

French fry. What's happening? French fry.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

I had fun getting Easter eggs a day.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I saw you. What you call a mocho, huh? They getting makeup, getting nails done, getting all that stuff.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah, yeah, they were rocking out. A friend of mine. A friend of mine, Rashad puts on a nice event every. Every Easter. You know, in. In the inner city. Everybody comes out. You know, it's really dope. You know what I really like?

[Chad Ochocinco]

They don't.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

It's not your normal Easter egg hunt, right. They have a helicopter and they drop the eggs from the helicopter.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Not real eggs, but you know what you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Plastic egg. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

And. And. And stuff like that. So.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But they have candy in them, right?

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah, they got candy in them. So they line all the kids up by age.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

They drop all the eggs out the helicopter onto the field, and then they. Once they open the barricade, all the kids rush and get and get whatever they can.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You got some Easter eggs? French fry.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Did you get some eggs? You got a lot. How many you get?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You get two. You get three. How many?

[T-Mobile Advertiser]

Oh, no.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Oh, no.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Daddy.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Daddy was holding her. I had. I had it by the waist, running through the thing. I say, well, pick up, baby. Pick up. Hey, we was in that thing moving because I didn't want him to get trampled.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You. Hey, you have an Easter basket. Where you. Easter basket?

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Where your Easter basket?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, look at all the ojo. Look at all the emojis in the chat.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Look at all the French fries. You see all the French fries for you? Yeah, yeah. Tell them thank you. Say thank you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Thank you.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Say I love you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Oh, y', all, man, you know you got to get that. To get that baby a big ass basket.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

The basket right there. Go. Where your basket, baby?

[Chad Ochocinco]

How big is. Let me see how big that basket is.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Hold On, Let me see. Let me grab it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man. Hey, man. Hey, me and my kids out there today.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, you was out there too?

[Joe Johnson]

I didn't do that. What Ocho did. Hell, I just went out there in the yard and put some Easter eggs out there. I ain't gonna do all that ojo doing. Hell no. We went out there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Ocho.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Get that baby. A bigot, a big old behind basket next year.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Nah, this is the basket to get that, to get the candy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Look at the candy. I'd have got me a lot. I would get my. If I ever have a kid again, I'm getting a laundry basket and put some grass in the bottom, get about 15 dozen eggs. No, but look, I. I look, I think the thing is that he's like, look, man. And I don't know if there's a whole lot. Do a whole lot of players when they come to Memphis and Milwaukee, do they even go out? Do they like. I know, like when they go to LA or they come to Atlanta or they go to Miami or they do other, you know.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, now you talking la, Miami and all that. Hell with the whole team out. We all out together. You get the Memphis of Milwaukee. It's dead noise around. There ain't nobody doing a whole lot of nothing. I'm just be 100 with you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Sean, just put an update. Put out an update on Luca. After consultation with the Lakers doctors and his own medical team, Luka will seek specialized medical treatment in Europe on his grade two left hamstring in an attempt to expedite the return to play.

[Joe Johnson]

Luka going home. Chill, man. He ain't studying. Hey, they ain't fooling me, Unc. I see what go going on, Luca. Like, you know, I'm going through some things with my family. Let me just go and go home for a little while, you know, Hopefully I can solve this thing, get it, get out the way. But come on now.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

He gonna shut it down, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he ain't got no choice, Oto. That hamstring ain't gonna let him come back and be able to push off and go and stop like you want to.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, not with all the herky jerky movement he be doing.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Think about the animation he had when he went down and just laid there. He knew, he knew off dump. Like, man, this probably be over with this year. Like, I just. I'm just reading his body language and his facial expressions, you know, when you, when you had those type of injuries. Cause I've dealt with him, and I know Y' all dealt with them. Cause of the sport that y' all play. Hell, I done. I done. I felt mine pop. I hit the dick.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You hear me? Woo.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

And hold on. You had that same. You had a grade too.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man, My. Let me tell you. I think I already told the story, but this was my first year here in Atlanta, 2005, before the season even started. Probably about a month before the season started. I'm back home. Ocho, we playing flag football. Ocho, they got. Hey, hey. They got about two people guarding me. I think I'm also. I'm think I'm mossing Tio out there.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hot telling through that thing, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

That thing, Pop. I hit the dirt. I hit the dirt. I hit the dirt. It was over with.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Hold on. You ain't get it. You didn't get a chance to catch it before it popped. You know, you feel that little. That little. That little pinch, that little grab.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

And it lets. You know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, but don't. Hey, but like you said, if that grab mid stride. Hey, hey, hey, I did that. I did my growing, actually, my first year going to Baltimore on the track, running. Got dehydrated.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And it started tingling at first.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, I drank me some water, you know, I said I'm be okay, man. I tried to open up, had to put that blink on. Ocho slide on off the track.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Here's where I get off at, fellas. And it, man, it, man, it's hard. It is hard, man. Them hamstrings, man, they the. Oh,

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

anything soft tissue. Groin, hamstring. What else? What else, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Groin, hamstring, quad hamstring, growing, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Are they growing something else? They're growing a linger for forever.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, man, my growing. I told him I did it. I did it in the pool because, you know, at training camp, that was. Hello. That was a long time ago. That was like. That was 93. So statue of limitations of the ending, right? I was hitting them. Dies like Lucanus.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Up there. I hit them down like the Chinese women. Was no splash, man. I went up there, I said, man, I'm gonna see how I can jump. See if I can touch the top of this place.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Ooh.

[Joe Johnson]

As soon as you dumped off the board.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, man, Joe, I tried to jump, man. I was trying to touch the top of the roof. Hey, man. Hey, Greek, I think I tweaked my. My growing and practice or something.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Hey, hey, that's crazy.

[Joe Johnson]

You tweak that growing. Ain't no lateral movement, fella.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, no, ain't no movement. But, hey, everything hurt, man. You dragging it. Yeah, you're dragging that leg. Because your normal gate, your normal motion. Yeah, that's a no go.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah. Joe. Joey, it. I never got to the point. I know what it feel like. I know what that pinch feel like. You know, in the groin. I had a little soreness before, but it never got to the extent where I would miss time.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

You know, and I just didn't. That cold tub, that stem. Remember the stem treatment on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, that. Yeah, that lecture stem. Yeah, yeah.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

This little stem. Put the ice there and. Yeah, I would do. I don't know how, but I was very fortunate, Joe. I ain't had no injuries. You know, I was on the cusp of having something, but it was. It was never enough where I had to miss any time.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, you lucky, Ocho. Cause that's rare, man. You know, playing that. Playing that gladiator sport like that and not ever having to deal with an injury, bro.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, hey, you better thank the man above, because my boy, look, I done been on that knife a few times. It ain't pretty.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It ain't. And, man, you know how much DL Messo I don't put on my body?

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Who.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who? That dmso.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

That horse. That horse thing?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

That work?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, it took the soreness out. I mean, you smell like you ate garlic and stuff, but that's okay. Ah, you know, what's that smell? Girl, shut up. Go to sleep. I'm trying to get back out here, man. I don't bathe there. I got two. I'm talking about. I put it on my knees, I put on my ankles, my groin, my hamstring. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So it's gonna sleep out your pores now. You gonna smell it. But, hey, man, we try. Hey, man, you know, you get back out there and play. Joe, you trying red clay, Whatever you got to.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, because that's how it was for me when I. When I first started dealing with tendonitis. Man, they putting apple cider vinegar, soaking the little stuff, putting it on my knees.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm like, man, what is all this?

[Joe Johnson]

Well, you do anything to get back out there on that field or that court. Now that red clay, you get.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They. Hey have. Hey, you. You enjoy. They got red clay down there. Have your family send some red clay. Red clay and vinegar. And put that on. Yeah.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Wait. Red clay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What?

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

What?

[Chad Ochocinco]

What? They said red clay. Supposed to get red clay and vinegar. Supposed to take the soreness out. Yeah, right. The only thing that make you take out his soap to get that issue up off you. That's the only thing. That's the only thing. But you, you try anything, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

How y' all think I broke down like this, man?

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

There.

[Chad Ochocinco]

There's time. Like, guys, not Ocho. Ain't no way they playing with the stuff I played with. No, no.

[Joe Johnson]

Hell, no.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You got some dudes, I'm shooting it up, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you got some dudes who ain't playing unless they're 100.

[Chad Ochocinco]

100? Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You ain't. It's hard to be 100. One season start.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Caesar, man, once you get out, once you get to training camp, the freshest, the healthiest you'll be the day you walk your ass in the training camp. Cause after that, ain't no more 100.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm telling you. Hey, they can't take it out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ain't no more 100. And you just. And you just deal with it, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you do. You ain't got no choice.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's why, you know, you ain't the only one that's going through it.

[Joe Johnson]

I. I think. I think what a lot of people don't understand professional athletes, bro. We had to go through a lot. We had to deal with a lot. And I. I think, you know, the average person wouldn't understand it, bro, because they only see Sunday games, NFL games, they only see the NBA when it comes on ESPN and things of sort of. But, bro, it's a whole build up before we even get to that. You know what it's like? Do you know what a game day is like,

[Chad Ochocinco]

boy? For Especially for an injured player that's going to get out there and play? Yeah, man. You over there four, five hours before the game, you getting treatment, you getting massage. And they still gonna put that needle in you.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, there you go.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You still gonna get that? They. You do all of that? You over there all that time. Oh, Charles, you mentioned you getting stem. You getting. Getting therapy. The cold tub, the hot tub, you doing all that. But you best believe, an hour before that game, 30 minutes before that game, they're gonna put that needle in your shoulder, your ankle, your ass, your shoulder, your rib. You still gonna get that needle? Yeah. You did all of that?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. They ain't nothing nice, Wayne. Nothing to play with. I'm serious.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, you got a choice, Ojo.

[Joe Johnson]

You don't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You gotta hey for me. What was my choice?

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Oh, you got to do whatever you got to do, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I got to do what I got to do?

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Granny living I got kids now. You think differently once you got kids. You got grandma living. You taking care of grandma, you taking care of family. Just be by myself. I'd be like, man, I'm good. Hey, nah, man, I don't think I would be able to go today. And you know how they do it. Hey, trainer, you know I know. Hey, we got time. But if you. If the game was the day, you think you could go? I mean, I know you, Sharpie. I know you good. You'll be able to go. Damn. You ain't let me ask. You told me I'm gonna be able to go.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, they put them jumping cables in your back.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Hey, the coach is coming in the Trader Room. Joe, how you feeling? Yeah, you a Greek. Say you looking good. Is that what he said? And I'm damn here. Came here with crutches. I'm looking good. Hey, don't worry about. Don't worry about practicing this week, bro. Just get practice with the last thing on my mind. I couldn't practice if I wanted to. Y' all say we got a hundred million dollars. I still wouldn't be able to do anything, man. My ankle this big.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn, man. Hey, y' all ever heard I had. Well, Ocho said he never been hurt, but I had a severe case of plantar fasciitis before.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Oh, I never had that joke under your foot, Joe. How you walk, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

The first steps out the bed, you on your knees crawling. Your first steps out the bed, boy, you on your knees crawling to the bathroom.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hear me? Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Got to warm that thing up, boy. That thing? Yeah, I had it during the playoffs, so I couldn't practice. I couldn't do nothing. I would say I could. I had to save all mine for the game.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Hold on. How you play? But they shot you up.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he had to shoot me up in the. In that foot. Ojo. The worst pain I ever had in my life, bro, outside of. Outside of going to the dentist. Cause ain't no pain like that dentist, boy. That dentist pain and that foot pain.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah. You ain't gotta tell me that. I done had him. There ain't a whole lot of places that I ain't had to needle. Butt cheeks, shoulders. Both shoulders.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ankles, ribs.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

God damn you. You damn near put. You're a pincushion.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I was your joke. Hey, I'm telling you, Ocho, I shot my ankles up from in 93, the last eight games. I shot both ankles up in 94. I shot my ankles up, up every single game to start the season, I shot the mofos up every game. 95. I did it for about four weeks. 96. I ended up having the knee. The. The nerve in my left ankle dead. So I couldn't feel no pain. They's like, well, you know, we don't. I said, man, look here. I know what I know. All that. All that down the road, and 25, 30 years from now, right across that bridge. When I come to that bridge. 25, 30 years. Guess what, Ocho Joe, Here I am. I'm getting ready to cross that bridge. Niece knee replacement. Damn. I bet that. I bet that bridge when I said 25. Because he told me. I mean, I went to the doctor in 2000. 2009.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And he said. He said, Mr. Sharp, probably next 15, 20 years, you're probably gonna have to have this knee replaced, maybe even both. That was in 2009.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm 16, 17 years. I'm right there. I've tried to hold it off. I've tried to hold it off,

[Joe Johnson]

man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, I know what you mean. I'm gonna be honest with y'. All. That's another reason why I got into hot yoga. Because I wasn't flexible and I was subject to injury cause of that. And if it wasn't for that, Uncle Ocho, I ain't gonna lie. I couldn't play ball right now, today if it wasn't for me being in that hot room, letting it heat my muscles and joints up. There's no way I could play. I got. I had. Before I stopped playing. Like my last year in the NBA, I had bone spurs at the top of my foot, so they hurt like a boat. So. Boy, look, when I go to hot yoga, though, when I come out of there, I'll be feeling good. I be feeling like a new person. I can move. I'm good. So I'm a huge advocate of it, bro. So you. I try to find stuff to kind of help me as I age, because I still like to get around and do stuff. You know what I mean?

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Hey, that's crazy. I wouldn't. I'm not flexible either, Joe. Okay? I can't even. I can't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I was flexible.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

You are.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You're still effed up.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Hey, Joe, I can't. I can't even. You know, you stand still and, you know, touch the toes. Yeah, I can't even touch my damn toes.

[Joe Johnson]

Do you. Do you ever have low back problems, Ocho?

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

I. I ain't had nothing yet, Joe. Honestly, I mean. I mean, God, man, thanks. Thanks to the man upstairs. I ain't had no problems yet, I'm sure.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Maybe.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Maybe later on in life, I think. I don't know if it's because I'm still active, you know, running around playing soccer and stuff.

[Joe Johnson]

It helped. That help. Don't stop.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Maybe that's why.

[Joe Johnson]

Don't stop it. Yeah. I think that helps you if you. If you still active and you do a lot of running.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Soccer is a lot of running.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, you just can't stop. You stop, boy, the muscles and joints tighten up on you. It's a rap.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I got bad joints in my family. My sister had both of her hips replaced. She ain't played no ball. My brother had his hip replaced. About to have a knee replacement. I've had both my hips. Gonna need a knee replacement. Yeah, it is what it is. Yeah, but I sure don't be like it. I gotta get another shot in my knee. On Tuesday, I showed up. Hey, it is what it is.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

I thought you were gonna go under the knee. Under the knife, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm trying to hold off Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, how big that need and how big that needle is I gotta put in your knee?

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's about this bone.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Oh, that ain't bad. That ain't bad.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Well, the one on. The one on game, they'd be like this, though.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, that's what. That's. Well, that's when they like me. That's the big one where they try to. They put a. The. The lower. The gauge. That's like a. The pool.

[Joe Johnson]

A pool.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What's called a pool needle.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Because they were draining. They were draining fluid. So it's a big. So they gotta, you know, they gotta move it around, try to squeeze the knee, and, you know, they move. They, they, they. They move the needle around and you feel it. It's touching bones. That cold spray. All that cold spray do is stop the initial thrust.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Once they get in there and they start moving around and they start squeezing that knee, trying to get all that fluid. So I'm just trying to. Ocho. I'm just trying to. Look, I know it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen, but I'm just trying to delay it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah, man.

[Liberty City Legend (Co-host)]

I appreciate. Hey, Joe. He trying. He trying to delay it for us, Joe. So I really am. Hey, hey. Oh, hey, Joseph. We finna be outside with it, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

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