Nightcap Hour 1: Kyler Murray SIGNS with VIKINGS + Mike Evans: NOT about the MONEY + Geno BACK to the JETS + Erik Spoelstra NOT APOLOGIZING for Bam

Summary

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Nightcap, Hour 1 Recap (March 13, 2026)

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, Joe Johnson, Miles Turner
Episode Title: Kyler Murray SIGNS with VIKINGS + Mike Evans: NOT about the MONEY + Geno BACK to the JETS + Erik Spoelstra NOT APOLOGIZING for Bam

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap is a classic, freewheeling sports conversation with legends Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, Joe Johnson, and NBA star Miles Turner. The hosts discuss major NFL moves—especially the surprise of Kyler Murray signing a minimum deal with the Minnesota Vikings, Mike Evans’ motivations in San Francisco, Geno Smith returning to the New York Jets, and Maxx Crosby’s wild trade saga. Wrapping up, they deliver spirited takes on Erik Spoelstra defending Bam Adebayo’s historic 83-point game, reminiscing about sports greatness and the emotional highs and lows of professional athletes.

The discussion flows naturally between breaking news, strategic analysis, and fun banter. Here are the key topics, insights, quotes, and moments:

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Kyler Murray Joins Minnesota Vikings

Discussion: 06:44–23:30

Key Points

• Contract Details: Kyler Murray signs a one-year, $1.3M deal with the Vikings, while still owed nearly $37M guaranteed by the Cardinals.
• Career So Far: Murray’s NFL tenure (121 TDs, 60 INTs, 32 rushing TDs) has been marred by injuries, but his talent is unquestionable.
• Resurgence Comparison: Hosts wonder if Murray can mirror the bounceback of Sam Darnold and Geno Smith, who both found second chances (and championships) after leaving the Jets.
• Surrounding Talent: Minnesota offers a dazzling supporting cast: Justin Jefferson, T.J. Hockenson, and Jordan Addison. The consensus is if Murray stays healthy, the sky’s the limit.
• Availability Concerns: “Your best ability is availability… I’ve never seen a guy complete a pass from the sideline.” — Shannon Sharpe (11:35)
• On His Size: While Murray’s stature and injuries are risks, his improvisational skill and elite weapons could mask shortcomings. “If you look at all the quarterbacks… supporting cast, what they surround you with also matters.” — Ochocinco (07:41)
• Strategy: The hosts predict the Vikings will get creative—moving Murray out of the pocket, using shotgun, and maximizing his playmaking.

Notable Quotes

• On Opportunity: “You have to be really bad to have that kind of supporting cast, Joe, and still stink it up.” — Ochocinco (19:07)
• Talent Recycling: “Quarterbacks got like a cat. They got nine lives.” — Shannon Sharpe (19:23)
• On Competition: “If he’s healthy, JJ McCarthy’s not beating him out. Not a chance in hell.” — Ochocinco (23:30)

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Mike Evans: More than the Money in San Francisco

Discussion: 26:21–34:46

Key Points

• Evans’ Motivation: Mike Evans emphasizes joining the 49ers is about football and legacy, not money.
• Fit in SF: The hosts predict a career boost with Shanahan’s offense, more volume, and mismatches created by Christian McCaffrey and others.
• Injury as Obstacle: Aging receivers like Evans may struggle with nagging injuries, and “the nicks that used to keep you out a day now keep you out a week”—Shannon Sharpe warns.
• Reflection on Tampa Bay: Injuries and defensive lapses undid the Bucs. “If you can’t generate a pass rush, you’re not winning in this league.”

Notable Quotes/Moments

• On Elite Playmakers: “Only the elite players can do what he just said… I don’t need my coach’s help this time.” — Ochocinco (31:21)
• On Player Mentality: “Just give me the rock and y’all get y’all ass out the way.” — Miles Turner (32:07)
• Throwback Tales: Extended, hilarious exchanges about being stars who want the ball, the frustrations of being ignored, and coaches trying to calm fiery personalities (36:51–39:48).

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Geno Smith Returns to the Jets

Discussion: 46:13–51:47

Key Points

• Unexpected Homecoming: Geno Smith heads back to where his career started, now with far more experience. “I don’t think anyone could have imagined that. But that’s the beauty of life.” — Geno Smith (46:58)
• New York Situation: The Jets remain a “bad, poorly constructed, poorly run organization”—Shannon keeps it real.
• Geno’s Task: Ochocinco suggests Geno needs “an out-of-body experience every damn week” to succeed. The hosts agree: it’s on Smith to elevate a struggling roster, despite a few bright spots like Garrett Wilson and Breece Hall.
• Roster Moves: Major picks and trades set up a critical (if rebuilding) year.

Notable Quotes

• “They need a lot of good players. Seattle won the Super Bowl because they got good players—and a lot of them.” — Shannon Sharpe (48:59)
• “For you to be bad that long, everybody’s turned it around except them.” — Shannon Sharpe (50:29)

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The Maxx Crosby Trade Fiasco

Discussion: 51:47–57:41

Key Points

• On Again, Off Again: The Ravens agreed to, then canceled, a trade for Maxx Crosby—sending him back to the Raiders.
• Implications: This unusual reversal diminishes Crosby’s trade value and leaves the Raiders reworking their strategy.
• Salary Cap Maneuvering: Detailed chat about contract mechanics, cap relief, and voidable years.
• Awkward Returns: “It’s like—‘baby, I’m back. You know I was just playin’.’” — Joe Johnson (55:37)

Notable Quotes

• “As long as the check clear on the first and 15th, you good.” — Miles Turner (55:54)
• “He’s tremendous at the run… but edge rushers—getting the quarterback—that’s where the money is.” — Shannon Sharpe (57:41)
• “LT is the greatest player to ever play the game because he made two positions famous: left tackle and edge rusher.” — Shannon Sharpe (58:00)

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Spoelstra Defends Bam Adebayo’s 83-Point Game

Discussion: 59:07–82:55

Key Points

• Record Night: Bam’s 83-point explosion draws criticism for being “unethical” or “stat-padded,” but Spoelstra unapologetically defends the feat.
  • “I would do it ten times out of ten again for Bam. I’m apologizing to nobody about this.” — Erik Spoelstra (59:07, paraphrased by host)
• How It Went Down:
  • 31 points in the 1st quarter
  • 43 at the half, 62 after three quarters
  • Teammates began force-feeding; hosts see nothing wrong with stat-chasing on a special night.
• Perspective from Players: Miles Turner and Joe Johnson share their own experiences chasing milestones, explaining how the entire team often gets caught up in the moment.
• Criticism Debunked: Discuss negative reactions—especially from insiders like Gordon Hayward, who minimizes the achievement since Bam “isn’t a scorer.” Hosts argue only greatness begets such historic moments—regardless of role.
  • “If Dame, Steph, or Harden did it, nobody would complain. But because it’s Bam, it’s a problem?” — Shannon Sharpe (79:09)
  • On the record: “83 is 83, no matter how you splice it.” — Ochocinco (63:52)

Epic Quotes & Banter

• On Stat-Chasing: “I ain’t coming out. I’m trying to get 90!” — Shannon Sharpe (68:01, 66:19)
• On Critics: “If you ain’t got nothing good to say, don’t say nothing at all.” — Miles Turner (76:47)
• Records & Legends: “There’s something about the first. People gonna come behind you… But guess what? I was the first.” — Shannon Sharpe (68:02)

Memorable Story

• Joe Johnson details what it’s like to be in the zone, and how teammates and coaches react—plus his own pride in hitting career milestones (71:12–71:34).

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Overall Tone & Flow

This episode captures the joy, pain, and humor of pro sports. The conversation is frank, sometimes raucous, rich with personal stories and real talk. The hosts mix sharp analysis (especially on football strategy and contract moves) with pure barbershop-style energy, unafraid to call out organizations or celebrate greatness, wherever it appears.

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Timestamps (by Segment)

• Kyler Murray to Vikings: 06:44–23:30
• Mike Evans to 49ers: 26:21–34:46
• Geno Smith/Jets: 46:13–51:47
• Maxx Crosby Trade: 51:47–57:41
• Bam Adebayo’s 83-point Game: 59:07–82:55

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Notable Quotes Recap (By Timestamp)

• "Your best ability is availability..." — Shannon Sharpe (11:35)
• "Quarterbacks got like a cat. They got nine lives." — Shannon Sharpe (19:23)
• "Just give me the rock and y’all get y’all ass out the way." — Miles Turner (32:07)
• "If he’s healthy, JJ McCarthy’s not beating him out... Not a chance in hell." — Ochocinco (23:30)
• "83 is 83, no matter how you splice it." — Ochocinco (63:52)
• "I ain’t coming out. I’m trying to get 90." — Shannon Sharpe (66:19, 68:01)

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This episode is a can't-miss for fans who love both the technical and cultural sides of the game—plus a little smack talk and laughter along the way.

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[Miles Turner]

That's what's up, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, that's Joe Ocho Calumar signed a one year contract with the Minnesota Vikings that will pay him 1.3 million. Remember, he's just done a tick under 37 million still guaranteed from the Arizona Cardinals, which has already been guaranteed. Murray has thrown 121 touchdowns, 60 interceptions and 32 rushing touchdowns in seven NFL seasons that's been plagued by injury. Oo, are we going to see another Sam Darnold story situation? The resurgence, a rebirth. We saw that with also with Gino Smith. He leaves the jets, has a resurgence. We see that with Sam Darnold. He leaves the jets, has a resurgence. Can Kyler Murray parlay that success? Now? The success that Sam Darnold is unprecedented because he had 114 wins with Minnesota. He leaves Minnesota, goes to Seattle, wins another 14 games and he wins the Super Bowl. On top of that, can we see that type of resurgence from Kyler Murray

[Chad Ochocinco]

I, I think so. And I think that not only is he going to have that resurgence, we're going to understand why situations matter. Where you go matters, the supporting cast, what they put around you, what they surround you with also matters. And it's very imperative for a quarterback success based on the weapons that's put around them. If you look at all the quarterbacks, you look what Sam Donald was able to do, you look what Daniel Jones was able to do from going for the New York Giants and going to the Annapolis coach not winning a Super bowl, but seeing the trajectory he was on and how he changed that franchise around in such a short amount of time because of the weapons that were around him. I think Kyler Murray is going to shock a lot of people. I see some of the jokes that are flying, you know, about his height, about him being short. I mean, that has nothing to do with playing the quarterback position, especially when you have elite talent around you like he has there.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, yeah, this was my pick for Kyler Murray from the start. When we first started talking about this, Uncle Ocho and I was telling you, I was like, man. Cause Ocho was like, he wants to see Kirk Cousins go back. I'm like, nah, I want to see Kyler get a chance to, you know, play, have some awesome weapons, play with some great players. And I think he'll be great in that offense, not just for a drop back passer, but a guy who can improvise back there and make something when it's nothing. You know what I mean? I, I, I love Kyle in this situation. I think he's gonna have much success. You know, I know some Vikings fans, they happy, so good luck to him, man. I'm looking forward to seeing this young dude get back to you.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know if you know this, but it's gonna be hard pressed to find a quarterback that's had better weapon than Kyler Murray. You know who he started with? LA Fitzgerald is laughing, going to the hall of Fame, Ocho. And then he had DeAndre Hopkins. Is DeAndre Hopkins any good? And then he threw the Trey McBride. Is Trey McBride any good?

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's the best in the league.

[Joe Johnson]

And now he has Justin Jefferson. So you're going to be hard pressed, Ocho, to find a quarterback that's had more stable weapons than what he's had. His only issue is, and I've said this from the very jump, he is a small man. Injuries have plagued him. I mean, bro, when you 180, 190 pounds. Okay, let's just say for the sake of argument, ocho and Joe, he's 200, 200 at 5, 9, 5, 10. So they, they, if when they hit you, you hit the dirt, they fall on top of you.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So that has been his problem, his being able to stay healthy. I believe if he stays healthy, guys, I agree with you guys. I think he can play really, really well. But that is a big if. That is a, that's the caveat. That is the question. Can he stay healthy? Because over seven years, he has not been able to do that. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, obviously he had injuries. Obviously, you know, that's a part of the game. It's a part of the game. And hopefully being that he's able to improvise, like Joe said, that being that he's able to play off script so well and he doesn't have to hold the ball that long because of the weapons that are surrounding him now, you name some great individuals. Some great individuals. DeAndre Hopkins, you know, Larry, I forgot.

[Joe Johnson]

A.J. green played there too, didn't he, Ocho?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, that's right. He sure did. But, but, but listen, we, we, we're speaking to individuals, right. You know, in singular form. So now you have multiple of those same type of weapons. You know, Justin Jefferson, one of the best, top three in the NFL. TJ Hawkinson, one of the better tight ends also in NFL. Jordan Addison. You know who I think if he was another team, he could be. He could almost be a one. You know, he's. He's borderline one slash two. You know, he can get, he can get, he can get it done, too. So I'm excited for him. As long as the play calling, the coaches play to Kyler Murray strengths.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And find a way to hide whatever weaknesses he may have. If that might be a height, so be it. There are ways around that because we've seen Baker Mayfield do it. Baker. Matthew. Baker Mayfield also shortened height, has had much success.

[Joe Johnson]

Baker Mayfield has been able to stay on the field. I think you went out, Ocho. I mean. Yeah, yeah. I think the thing is, Ocho, is that again, Baker's been able to stay healthy. Kyler has to be your best ability. No matter whether it's arm, whether you can run four, two, it doesn't matter. You had a huge catch radius. You can block. You can block the guy out of the film. Availability is the best ability because it doesn't have you do any good. If you got a huge catch radius, you can score all these points. You can throw for 500 yards. If you're on the sideline. I've never seen a guy complete a pass from the sideline. I've never seen one catch a touchdown, get a sack or block anybody or run a touchdown. So his thing is, he's going to have to find a way to stay on the field. Don't be afraid. Know when the journey's over. Throw that blink on and get out of blind. Blinkle, Blinkle, Blinkle. I'm right up. Out of bounds, slide down on that turn. You were a baseball player. You're the number eight pick in the draft.

[Miles Turner]

Slide right.

[Joe Johnson]

You don't have to. Once you get to this, this, this level, guys, sometimes guys try to prove how tough they are. You don't get to this level without having some level of toughness. I'm gonna pick and choose when I display that toughness. Hey, a fourth down, we gotta have it. Got it. Third down, gotta have it. O. Joe. Got it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

But hey, first to second down, we ain't got to have that. We got a third. We got a second down and a third down to get that on. Joe. Joe. No, sir. Yeah. I think that's the thing that Kyler has to do. He has to stay on the football field. But injuries, you know, be it knee, be it angle, you know, he tore, I think, I think he tore his acl. Ocho. He had some shoulder issues. He had. He's had some issues that he's going to have to get resolved in order for him to be the type of player, because we've seen flashes of it, Rookie of the year, a Pro Bowler. So we've seen that he's more than capable. He has the ability, even at his small stature, he can get the job done. He just needs to be on the field more often in order to do it.

[Miles Turner]

Absolutely.

[Joe Johnson]

What does this mean for jj

[Chad Ochocinco]

hey,

[Miles Turner]

what you mean

[Joe Johnson]

you took it with a top 10 pick? Oo

[Chad Ochocinco]

I. I told you what I told you yesterday.

[Joe Johnson]

You said it. Hey, Murray, if.

[Chad Ochocinco]

If. Hey, if Kyler Murray goes to the Minnesota Vikings for one, he's not going to beat out J.J. mcCarthy. J.J. i mean, excuse me. J.J. mcCarthy. He's going to be J.D. mcCarthy out. Let's start there, right? When Anthony Richardson was with the Indianapolis Colts and they bought Daniel Jones in on a one year, what did that. What did that tell you?

[Miles Turner]

Insurance.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's just. It's the same. It's the same deal. It's the same deal. I mean, those that understand this business and understand how things work and how things operate and Kyler Murray with his Back against the wall on a one year deal for vet minimum. Even though the, even though the Cardinals owe him 38 million. He f to play all balls to the wall, you hear me? He gonna have a great season. How could you not if Sam Dar can do it?

[Miles Turner]

You know, I agree with you, I agree with you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So can goddamn Kyler Murray. And I'm not, I'm not saying, you know, Sam Donald obviously a Super bowl winning quarterback, but again, situations matter and what he did is in Minnesota while he was there. Kyler Murray can repeat that just in a different way because it's a different kind of quarterback.

[Joe Johnson]

Baker Mayfield is another one that had success after leaving a situation. We saw him leave Cleveland, we saw him leave Carolina. He goes to the Rams for one game, have success and he's had success. Kind of took a little step back, maybe with some injuries. Mike Evans missed a large chunk of the season. Buca ends up tweaking his hamstring. He wasn't the same player. But we've seen Baker has the resurgence and, and look more, more than adequate. Looks like a, a playoff winner even though he did win a playoff game when he was in, in Cleveland. So I think, you know, my, my only concerns is, is that knowing this offense, you're going to probably have to do a little bit more stuff on the, on the move. Ocho. Because you got to get him outside. Yes, because he is small. I mean if you try to make him just throw the ball from the pocket, he gonna be hitting lineman in the ass with the football because he ain't but so tall.

[Miles Turner]

So.

[Joe Johnson]

But the thing is that you can do is that you can, hey, run some boots with him. Run, go ahead. Hold on. You can run some booze, you can run play fakes. You look, you can throw. Between lineman Drew. It wasn't like Drew Brees was 65 and the second he had the second most touchdowns, the second most passing yard, the most 5,000 yard passing seasons in NFL, in NFL history. Kyler Murray is, is plenty good enough to get it done if he can stay on the field.

[Chad Ochocinco]

A lot of people, Joe, and they always talk about his height and obviously when it comes to the game of football, even if you're short, it's all about fighting the windows. It's all about finding windows and throwing and throwing, throwing in space, throwing receivers open. So as long as his anticipatory skills are on point, I think they'll be able to do some drop back stuff. Matter of fact, he doesn't even need to be dropped back. Have him in the goddamn gun.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Give him an advant, having him in the gun so he doesn't have to worry about, you know, what's in front of him.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, I, I think take a snap from under center. Most of these guys, I mean, if it's, if it's what, fourth down, o up in the center, but for the most part, damn near everybody in the gun now it's a. Yeah. I'm trying to think who, who mainly takes a lot of. I think Ben Johnson makes his guys. I think they, they. Ben Johnson there might be Kyle Shanahan, might be that, that system. You spend a lot of time up under the center, but for the most part now these guys are in, you know, they got zone read stuff calling, they're taking shotgun snaps.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Kyler said he grew up a die hard fan of the team and cried when Brett far threw an intercession in the 2009 championship game. Genuine fandom ran deep. Vikings gear through and through. A lot of purple in my household. I mean, I mean consider he's a Texas kid. You'd have thought, you know, the Cowboys, you'd have thought the Houston Texans. But he said, hey, I'm a vice.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean everybody has a story. Everybody had a story for some reason when they go to a new team

[Joe Johnson]

for something that was their favorite team.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That was their favorite team for some reason. Listen, if I see a picture of Kyler Murray and some Minnesota Viking stuff when he was a little kid, I believe that way.

[Joe Johnson]

Steelers fans in my household, because I took a picture, I think it might have been third grade in a Franco Harris jersey. So.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, hey, this is gonna be, this is gonna be perfect timing for cow man.

[Joe Johnson]

All he has to do is just play well. You see what Daniel Jones did, He took a one. Now he took a one year deal. Well, he took a one year deal, 14 million. But he had had the guaranteed money when he went to Minnesota because of the Giants. So now he took the one year deal. Hey, who knows? He can get a. He can get a 50 million dollar guarantee deal next year. A two year deal worth 100 million. He can get one of those. Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold's deal, three years plus incentive. I think Sam Darnold maxed out at about $4 million, $5 million in incentives plus an easy 30. So that's 35 million. So he's more than capable. And, and he had him. He had a big deal.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So now he can't be no more than like 28. I mean 28.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, he go. He gonna get another one. Hey, listen, definitely gonna get away. Think about it. Think about it. You have to be really bad. You have to be really bad to have that kind of support in cash, Joe. Yeah. Still stink it up. Yeah, you just do.

[Joe Johnson]

No, you got to be really, really bad. If you're a quarterback and you can't find gainful employment, you got to really suck, Ocho. Cause you know how many opportunities. I mean, quarterbacks got like a cat. They got nine lives.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

It's not like other positions after like a couple of teams. You bounce around Ocho, man, you find yourself in the usfl. I mean, the ufl. Yeah, A quarterback. Quarterback. Go like, got about seven jerseys hung up on his wall. All of them.

[Miles Turner]

He is. Hey, listen, due to what? Due to what Ocho said, you know, with his back being against the wall, you know what I mean? He really. He gotta show up this year. I mean, this is basically like a one year deal. Especially if you want to continue to play, continue to be a starting quarterback. He gotta show him what he got. I think he'll put his best foot forward, man. He. He tough. He can play, man. Just sometimes perfect timing, you know, the timing, situations, different, different guys, you know, just somehow, some way, sometimes it pans out for the right. For the right reasons.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, Joe, you were. During football season, they played the Cowboys and Ocho and they had beat the Cowboys. But Jacoby Brissette started.

[Miles Turner]

I say Ocho, yeah, yeah, I know

[Joe Johnson]

Kyler Murray gonna be hurt a little longer, and I'm not so sure he gonna get that job back when he. When he's healthy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And I'd be damned if the coach didn't come out and say Jacoby Brissette's gonna go to carry it all the way. You know, it's just a matter of time. Here's the number one overall draft pick. He's supposedly healthy. And you mean to tell me Jacoby Brissette. And you know, Jacoby Brissette is not going to take you anywhere. But you feel he gives you the best chance to win Ocho, you know, after this year.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, absolutely. And Jacoby was dealing, Joe. And boy, Jacoby was dealing, putting up crazy.

[Joe Johnson]

He wasn't winning no games, but he was dealing out a lot about Michael Wilson. He can play. He can play. Hey, Marvin, Eric Jr. You got to get on your game. Cause just because they drafted. Got to get one. The number one. Yeah. Michael Wilson is playing like the number one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I think he gonna be all right. He just got to get out his head. Yeah, he got to get out of his head. And you know what? I, I don't like. I'm. I'm not a fan of it. That when he was at, when Marvin Harrison Jr. Was at Ohio State. Yeah, he had somewhat of a slender frame, and then he went into off season, Unki bulked up, and he was huge.

[Miles Turner]

You think that took you, you think that took a little bit of his elusiveness away?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think so. It might. I mean, when you get that big, it take. It take from you. Obviously, you're a lot stronger. You're a lot stronger. But I think for, For. For him and, and what made him great at what he did at Ohio State, you know, he was a lot more fluid and a lot more graceful than what he does, but when you put on that kind of, that kind of muscle.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, just. I don't know.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I agree with Jojo. I, I, I can't say. I can't say that. You know, his slender, Florent frame,

[Miles Turner]

he's

[Joe Johnson]

bigger than his dad. Now, his dad wasn't any size, but he's a lot. I mean, he's a much larger man than what his dad was. And, and so, I don't know, Ocho. And maybe he thought, Maybe he thought that's what he needed. Maybe he thought the physicality, because the NFL game is a lot more physical. You've got to be able to play through contact. People don't just let you run freely. They're gonna see. They're gonna test you. Now I got. I got to see if you can play through this contact. Once they find out you can't play through contact, they're gonna sit right down in the chair in front of you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, they in your face every time. They in your face every time.

[Joe Johnson]

You got to prove it. You got guys all of a sudden. Ocho ain't got no damn business up in press coverage trying to press because they don't think you can. Hey, we get. Hey, everybody get a scouting report.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

What he can do, what he likes to do, what he likes to run on this side, what he likes to run on that side, his best routes. So they're going to have to figure this. Gonna have to figure it out. But I hope Kylie, you know, hope Kylie can stay healthy. And I agree with every. I think we're all unanimous up here. If he's healthy, JJ McCarthy is not beating him out.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah, I agree.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Not a chance in hell that boy

[Miles Turner]

gonna play with Verbo.

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[Joe Johnson]

Mike Evans spoke on why money was not the biggest factor in his decision to sign with the 49ers. It was just about football. Something that I can be excited about every time I come to Levi's Stadium. I and see how the crowd is, I see the energy that brings and I see the rich history of the San Francisco 49ers. It just excites me so. I feel like I'm giving me a second chance, excuse me, a second win in my career. And that's why I chose to come here. I want to show that I'm still who people believe that I am and that I'm one of the best to ever do it. I like what you think of Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I like it. I love it. And the funny thing about it is you think about what Mike Evans did 11 years straight elect 1000 yard seasons, right? He misses one this year due to injury. But where can he go where they throw in high volume much more than they do in Tampa Bay and will put him in positions, you know, to, to be a help offensively. Think about all the one on one situation he's going to get because they have Christian McCaffrey in that backfield. Think of all the mismatches he's going to get because of Christian McCaffrey in that backfield along with other supporting cast as well. But the genius of brother Shanahan and being able to do what he can do offensively, it's, it's a match made in heaven for Mike Evans and things are going to come, going to come a little easier for him offensively over there as opposed to over in Tampa Bay, right?

[Miles Turner]

Yeah, I think it's going to be great for him, Uncle Ocho, you know, a guy, you know, probably have somewhat of a little resurgence. You know, I know he has some injuries due to some injuries that he had this year. He wasn't able to get to a thousand yards. So I'm sure he's ready, you know, to get back to being a thousand yard receiver and just showing he's one of the top receivers in the league. So I think it's a good look for him.

[Joe Johnson]

Another guy that's going to have to stay healthy we've seen over the last couple of years each Ocho, he's dealt with hamstring injuries. This year he had a shoulder injury and, and I think the thing is Joe, and you could attest to this playing as long as you Play in the NBA, Ocho, you not so much because you didn't have injuries. As you get older, you get nicked. The Knicks that would normally keep you out a day or two now all of a sudden keeps you down a week or two. And the injured that used to keep you down a week or two keeps you out a month or two. And that's what we see happening to Mike Evans we saw two years ago. Ocho, it came up. He very, he got the thousand yards at the end. And you see.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

With greater regularity.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And they keep you down for extended periods of time. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes. No, I, I was, I was agreeing with, I was agreeing with you, that's all.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, so I, I get it. This is not a good look for, I mean, Tampa, there's like, they were in prime position. They went two and seven in their last nine games. They went two and seven in their last nine games.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, they, they had a, they had a four or five game skid. Uncle Joe, boy, they look good. You hear me?

[Miles Turner]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Went crazy for like what, a four, a four week stretch. I mean, just, just going dumb. And all of a sudden the goddamn bottom.

[Joe Johnson]

Mike, Evan was already out. Chris Godwin, I think one of the running backs got nicked. Their problem was defensively, they couldn't generate pressure. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't care how good. I don't care give a damn who calling the plays. You can't generate a pass rush. You're not winning in this league. These teams are too good. Even with, even if they don't have name receivers, you better put pressure on that quarterback. If you don't put pressure on the quarterback, the average, the average quarterbacks, I'll pick you apart.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And at the words of John Gruden, the great quarterbacks are gutching.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So Tampa, I don't know. I, I, they got it. They got to get pressure, Ocho. They just, guys, they got to be able to dial up pressure. I think Todd Bowles is a great defensive mind and you saw what he did when he was a DC but look at the guys that he had that could pressure. Yeah, they don't have that anymore. They don't have that anymore. They get guys here and there, they can get, they can get some, they can win, but you got to win more often than not. And a lot of times, guys, you got to win your one on one battle. I can't scheme up everything at some point in time. Joe, go get me a bucket. I can't run a pick for you. I can't run no pick for you. I can't run a pin down or a flare and have you come off anything. I just want to put the ball in your hands. You go get to your spot, rise up and shoot over somebody. Ocho, I'm sorry, I can't watch the formation. I can't put nobody in zip motion. I'm just going to put you two yards outside the numbers. What you like. You like the out. You like to dig. You like the curl. You like the oval. What do you. You like the bang. But I need you to go win for me. And sometimes that's what it takes on the defensive side. Miles, I'm sorry, we can't run no E.T. i need you to line up, get to. You get a yard, two yards outside the left tackle, and I need you to get home, son.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, it's funny, Uncle Joe. Hey, Joe. And the way Unc just explained that, too, when you talk about some of the elite players in the league. Only the elite players can do what he just said.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Only the elite player could do. You know what? I don't need my coach's help this time.

[Joe Johnson]

Hell, no.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Coach tell you I need you to get it done for me right here.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't have no tricks. I don't have no scheme, I don't have no tactics. I need you to line up and I need you to get from point A to point B as fast as you can, no matter who's in front of you. Just get it done. Hey, it's only a few could do that.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, not only that, I need you to do that in the postseason. On call, too.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Miles Turner]

It's only a few who. It's only a few who can do that, fellas. Hey, it's only a few.

[Joe Johnson]

Light ultra. They come down there with that, with the sheets on there. Hey, son, what you like?

[Miles Turner]

Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

What you. What you like? Hey, what I like?

[Chad Ochocinco]

And my first answer to that. Would you like anything?

[Joe Johnson]

Whatever you call.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Anything.

[Miles Turner]

Just give me the rock and y' all get y' all ass out the way. That's what y' all do. Get y' all ass.

[Joe Johnson]

Whatever you call with 84 is the first option. That's what I like.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I got you.

[Joe Johnson]

I got you. I like that.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah. Hey, anyway. Hey, listen, for me, it was. Any way I can get my ball, I can get my hands on that ball.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Miles Turner]

I'm talking about in the postseason. You playing in the. In the playoffs. It's game five, game six. They already know what you running. It's like, hold on, man, just give me the damn ball. Y' all get. Get out the way.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm.

[Miles Turner]

I'm gonna handle it from here.

[Joe Johnson]

Don't even worry. Y' all do it too much. Cause y' all bunching the formation. Nah, hell no. Somebody get jammed and I get. Now all of a sudden, I can't get my stride.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, so throw everything off.

[Joe Johnson]

Now. Let's go two by two. Put me in the slot. As a matter of fact, get a little wider. You know, sometimes. Sometimes people get pressed. Now all of a sudden, everybody jammed up. They don't threw the whole damn time of the thing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Miles Turner]

Hey. Oh, yeah. No, no, don't come say no pic. Cause your damn man gonna trap. I gotta pass it. Hey, Joe, get back.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe, What's y'.

[Miles Turner]

All.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What's y'. All. What's y'. All. Signal for ISO when you call ISO.

[Joe Johnson]

Get.

[Miles Turner]

Get out the way.

[Joe Johnson]

Don't break. Clear.

[Miles Turner]

Clear. Clear. Clear. Goddamn clear. Flat. Get flat. Just get flat. Don't worry about nothing else. I got the red.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, you like that? 14 flat. Joe. 14 flat.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, get flat. Flat. Yeah. Josh, get your ass in the corner over there.

[Joe Johnson]

Don't move. Hey, don't. Don't worry about it. I ain't gonna kick it to you for no. 3. I'm going to. I'm getting to my spot on this one. I get you. I'll get you next time around. But. But you know what? But that's what you have to have. You have to have. You got to have a couple of players that no matter what you call Ocho, you feel they can win. And the quarterback. Deal. You can win. He's got to feel. Look, everybody, he's like, oh, I got. Whoever's open, they lying. They're lying. They got a guy that they know nine times out of 10, I'm gonna give him. I'm gonna give him the first man, why'd you go? To go where? Cause I already know. I already know what I got with Ocho. Ocho getting first dibs. Unless that guy wide ass open and everybody done fell down and pulled a hamstring, I'm not throwing you that ball. I'm not. I'm. Ain't no sense of me lying.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, yeah. Hey, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Guys, we in college. We was in college. We play in Central Florida. I never forget. I was a sophomore. Coach Turner. Coach Davis called a timeout. Our office coordinator was Coach Turner, and he he came and said, hey, come here. I was gonna call his first name. Name Reuben. He's like, hey, come here, son. I want you to run hard. You're gonna be wide open. Now, we about to call 6, 5, 6. I want you to run hard. You're gonna be wide open. Now get. Hey, hey. You know, he got his arm around his shoulder. Oh. He said, I want you to run hard. Cause you're gonna be wide open. You're gonna be wide open. He pushed him in the game. He told the quarterback, don't you throw that ball. That. Damn, boy. Man. I said, man, I wonder how often coaches have ever said that. Tell you one thing. Oo. And then when. As soon as you leave, don't you throw that ball to that.

[Miles Turner]

Damn. Yeah, yeah. It happen all the time. It happen all the time. Trust me.

[Joe Johnson]

Those were the days. But I was like, Lord.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, you. Are you jogging back memories? You jogging back memories? Hey, hey, Joe. Remember, you know, I always used to be mic'd up. You know, they mike me up. Joe, we ain't even have prime time games. They still put a mic on me because ain't no telling what I was gonna say. Hey, man, Unc, man, just. Just what you gonna do in the middle of the game? Hey, we'd be in the middle of the game, and I'm not getting no action. And I pick up the phone. You know, Bob Brikowski was our office accordingly at the time. Joe, I pick up the phone, you know, second quarter, I ain't touching. I ain't touched the ball in. In the first. Yeah, I picked up the phone. Hey, Coach Brett, he said, what you see out there? I say, listen, I can see a lot of things, but, you know, I'm like. I'm like life insurance, huh? You know, I ain't no different than birth control. So either one of them, you know, you can count on them. I ain't no different than that. And I leave it at that because I don't want to be aggressive with it.

[Joe Johnson]

I hate that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, come on, man. Come on, now. Hey, come on, now.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho. Don't you hold one whole quarter.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'll touch a ball.

[Joe Johnson]

But y' all see, Joe, y' all didn't have no phone. See, we got phones. Don't you hate when they call down sharp telephone, tell them I ain't in? You ain't throwing no damn ball off. You ain't been throwing me no ball. What the hell? What the hell? What you want to talk to me for? What? What we talking About? Oh, Joe, what are we talking about?

[Miles Turner]

Hey, what they be wanting to talk to y' all about?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, try. Hey, Try to calm you down. That's it.

[Joe Johnson]

What we practice.

[Miles Turner]

They see you business.

[Joe Johnson]

That's exactly what I see. What we practice. Yeah. Hey. Because I. I know how I am. Once I get going, it's hard to get me to stop off the ledge. So I had to do everything I possibly could not to get. Not to get going. So I tried, like. Nah, I. I ain't good. I don't wanna. I don't want to talk right now. I don't want to talk.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey.

[Joe Johnson]

What you told him?

[Chad Ochocinco]

What he asked you, what you see, what you said?

[Joe Johnson]

Same thing I saw in practice. That's what I see. But don't worry about it. So I say no. Hey, hey. Just. No. Just tell him to come to the phone for a second. Nah. Tell him I ain't in. I'm going. Hey. Oh, I run right on back. I run right on back on the field. I get you next time around. Because, you know, everybody can hear, you know, the. The head coach can hear the conversation. So just. Just to make sure. Hey. Nah, man.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, hey, hey. When you get to that level of pissivity, though, boy, it's hard to come.

[Joe Johnson]

It is, man. It is.

[Miles Turner]

It ain't nothing that they can say. Y' all ain't threw me a ball all hell, you know what I'm saying? Ain't ran and played my way all game. What you want to talk to me for?

[Joe Johnson]

They try to gas you up, man. You did a hell of a job on that power. That way. Hey. Oh, yo, that way to blocking the 18 straw. Man. Get the hell up out of here. That damn 18 strong.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, hey.

[Joe Johnson]

Y' all ain't paying me no damn money to be blocking no. 18 strong and no. 16 power. Man. Throw me the effing ball.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, look, hey, look. That's equivalent to a cat ain't played the whole first half, but coach come down there instead of tapping them tight. Stay ready. Stay ready.

[Joe Johnson]

Now we gonna need you. For what, man?

[Miles Turner]

Come on, man. Come on. You gonna throw me in in the fourth quarter with the. With the intensity through the roof? You ain't played me all game, but you expect me to come in and give you good money? Come on.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, hey, Joe. And then when I missed two shots, you snatched me out. Who you got? Oh, hell, no.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, listen, in real time, I've been sitting over here an hour, 45 minutes, man, for real. And, boy, they throw you in There they expect for you to get right to it. That's why I tell. I tell cats, these young cats, man, who looking to be pros, bro. Cause you know, everybody ain't gonna be able to come in and get the ball right away and be able to. You know what I mean?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh.

[Miles Turner]

So listen, for a lot of them who haven't had a chance to have to really wait their turn when they get to the pros. They have to, you know, it's a pecking order, you know what I mean? It's only a few guys, a couple guys who they gonna hand the ball to right away when you come into the league. So it's an adjustment, Uncle Ocho. And a lot of these young cats is hard for them to handle, man. You know what I mean?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, man, real. Hey, that was funny

[Joe Johnson]

where you shout out you. I try to control as long as I could. I mean, you catch a couple of passes. I'm good. I don't got the rhythm now. I don't. Caught me three. And then all of a sudden they go somewhere else with the ball. Man, why the F y' all throw it to him? Y' all know damn well he wasn't gonna catch the ball.

[Miles Turner]

It's a little different than hoops, though. If you.

[Joe Johnson]

If you get.

[Miles Turner]

If a dude make two, three. If dude make three, four shots, you know the next heat check coming, you wanna. You know, you wanna try to get him going.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but. But you know, Joe, in football, they say, Ocho, what they say? We gonna spread it around this week. Okay. All right. They gonna spread around. Now, come fourth quarter, Ocho, Joe, we in a tight ball game. They gonna come in there. Hey, they come out there with a sheet. Cause they ain't got no. They didn't have no iPad. They got the sheets. What you like on it? I like you to get out my face. I would like something in the first or second quarter. Now, you in here now talking about what I like. I would like for you to get out my face before I cuss you out. That's what I would like. What you want me to do? We down 14. They got the ball. It's six minutes left in the ball game. Talk about what I like. I should have told him I like pepperoni and ground beef on my pizza. That's what I like. Hey, hey.

[Miles Turner]

That's how mad you be, though. For real. I swear to God, I know exactly what you talking about.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Boy, that bring back so many good memories.

[Joe Johnson]

Make no damn good memories. They bring back memories that damn sure ain't good. That's probably my. Why. My blood pressure. My blood pressure was up. Oh, God.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, listen. Hey, listen. Cause real talk, you know, some of them bad games, they leave a stain on your brain, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, you. You.

[Miles Turner]

It's like, I had some games, you know, you just can't get out your head like, damn.

[Joe Johnson]

And then they go, talk about money. Yeah, yeah, we. We definitely should have got just more opportunities.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah, man, get out of here with all that.

[Joe Johnson]

What I do now.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, listen, that's the worst. Hey, look, that's like the ref coming

[Joe Johnson]

to you, saying he missed it.

[Miles Turner]

He fouled you a couple times in that first half. That's how I battle. Damn. All right, that's four points.

[Joe Johnson]

That's two free throws.

[Miles Turner]

I could have been got, man. Come on, man. Oh, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I was like, man, they need to stop with this. The New York jets quarterback Geno Smith vowed to be better day or night.

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what's up? I'm Miles Turner.

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Joe Johnson]

Nothing's off limits. We talk trade requests.

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What's the vibe of that when it's like your star player is like, well, I want to leave and then actually now I'm going to stick. We talk tanking. I mean, honestly, like I might get in trouble for this answer, but I think it's like definitely happening in the wnba.

[Joe Johnson]

And yeah, we talk about our mistakes too. They pulled me to the side and was like, hey man, we got a call last night and you can't be rolling around the city like this the night before games, you know, you know, doing this, doing whatever.

[Brianna Stewart]

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[Joe Johnson]

code gift that ever. In his second stint with the team, Gino said, I still have tons of years left on my body and to play this game and I want to continue to try to maximize it and so believe the jets are getting better players than when I was in Seattle and I know that for a fact. In fact, the jets are hoping Geno can stabilize the quarterback position they traded for him Tuesday, bringing him back to where his career began in 2013. He was their second round pick that year, became day one starter and started 29 games over his first two seasons before moving into a backup role. When asked about the return To New York. Geno said, I don't think anyone could have imagined that, honestly. But that's the beauty of life itself.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

What you thinking, Ocho?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, listen, Gino going back to New York, we obviously know not very many quarterbacks have had success, you know, playing for the New York Jets. Obviously from top to bottom, they've been somewhat of a bad organization and putting the pieces, the correct pieces around to build a winning team, a winning organization for. For Geno Smith going back there, he gonna have to have an out of body experience every goddamn week. Hey, Joe, Uncle Joe. He's gonna have to have an out of body experience every goddamn week and elevate all those around him. Obviously you have Garrett Wilson, you have Breece hall back. I'm not sure. Obviously we have the draft coming up. I'm not sure there's anybody in the draft that they can draft that can come in and make an immediate impact and make them that much better. But everything's going to have to be on Geno. He going to have to be much better than he's ever been before. I don't care about what he did in the past. I don't care what he did with Las Vegas. I don't care what he did in Seattle. I'm talking about right now with the New York Jets. Geno Smith is going to have to play his best football to date.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, Uncle Ocho, they must got a lot of draft picks, the Jets. I'm saying for them to give up, you know, two of the best defensive guys, you know, from, from last season. What they get in return? Like, do Geno got any weapons? Like, what are you dealing with outside

[Chad Ochocinco]

of Gary, when they. Well, Dallas. Dallas got Quinn and Williams. What did. What did they get for Quinnan?

[Joe Johnson]

They gave him first. They got him first.

[Miles Turner]

Oh, they got. That's what. Man, they got two drafts.

[Joe Johnson]

They got two first.

[Miles Turner]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Johnson]

They got two first.

[Brianna Stewart]

Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

They got. Remember Ocho, they traded late in the season for A.D. mitchell. So they got A.D. now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He could play.

[Joe Johnson]

They need to. They need the offensive line. They need to protect. Yeah. But listen, we can make a. We can make a long story short or we can make a short story long. I'm gonna keep it brief. They need a lot of good players. It comes down to that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Seattle won the super bowl because they got good players and they got a lot of them. Yeah. You have a scheme. You get players to fit your scheme. Now the thing is, if you got a player that's so, like, so, so Immensely talented. You know what, son? I'm gonna find something you to do do even worry is a prime example. He's a strong safety. He don't play like that. They blitz him. They do a lot of different things with him. Because he's that versatile. I'm gonna put our best players in the position to make plays.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Jsn. I'm gonna move him. I' ma line his ass up in the backfield and throw him a sale rock for a touchdown. I'm gonna put him in the slot. I'm gonna stack him. I'm gonna zip motion. I'm gonna do a lot of different things with him. Rashid Shahid can take the top off it. Okay, let's throw it. Let's run a. Let's run a jet suite. Let's run a reverse.

[Miles Turner]

Ready?

[Joe Johnson]

Let's put him on a go ball. The more good players you have, the more thing, the more dynamic your offense or your defense is, the better you are as a team. I don't give damn who your coach is. You don't got good players, man. You wasted your time. Yeah, you wasting your time. And the jets need a lot of good players. They're bad. They're poorly constructed, they're poorly run organization. There ain't no way around that. I'm not breaking news to anybody. Y' all know that. For you to be bad that long, everybody's turned it around except them. Everybody's going to the playoff. When last time the Jazz made the playoffs when they had Mark Sanchez was the quarterback, hell, that was like 2009.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah. It's about their time to come back on around.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Man, they had a crazy defense back then, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, but look what they. Look at the defensive players that they had. They had Crow, they had Reavis, they had David Muhammad Wilkinson. Look at, look at, look at the players that they had. I think, I think Pace, Calvin Pace was on that team. Look at the players that they had. Yeah, they ain't got that now. Yeah, they were a run first team. They pound you ground and pound. That's what they called it. They had Damon Woody, hair got brick. They don't have that. So until they figured. Until they figure that out and get better personnel, you ain't gonna do nothing. You're not right. League is too good. And there is no defensive coordinator, offensive coordinator, no head coach Ocho. That can overcome talent. If you are in a talent deficit, you are going to get beat.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho. Bears general manager Ryan Polls confirmed today that the team was interested in Trading for Max Crosby before he was traded to the Baltimore Ravens, a deal that ended up being called off. We were involved, we checked in, we looked to see if, if it made sense. Paul said had some dialogue. I'll leave it at that. Ocho, does Max Crosby end up staying at the Raiders this year?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know what, hey, hey, Unc. At this point I'm not sure. At this point I'm not sure. Especially when a situation like this happens, one that I've really never seen before. I'm sure it's happened before. Not the date since I've been involved with the NFL. But for the Ravens to decline in trading for Max Crosby and sending him back to the Raiders, what messages does that send to the other teams?

[Joe Johnson]

Especially he ain't going for no first round picks, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Especially for the team that are in contention that would, that would want a player like Matt Crowdry who's going to make an immediate impact if healthy. Well, hell, even if he's not healthy, he made an impact when he wasn't healthy as well. So we, we saw what he did when he was obviously injured. But I, I, I don't know Unc. At this point I, I, most of the time I'm able to say, you know what, it's for sure he's not going to be a Raider. But once he went back and I'm thinking depending on this just decreases his value.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, sure.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, but why wouldn't the Raiders want him back though, Uncle Ojo?

[Joe Johnson]

Well, I think the thing is what Joe, when they, when they started to build this roster, they anticipated him not being there. So they signed it, right? A lot of players in, they thought they was going to have his 30 plus million dollars off the, off the books.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Off the books.

[Joe Johnson]

And so they were thinking also draft compensation. Now all of a sudden we got two first rounders, two this year, two next year. Now they got one this year and one next year which is their own. So they were like, okay, we're going to build this team. And I like this and I image Clint Kubiak and Spy check and but what it does, it's just like anything once somebody tells you like hey, this is damaged, he not getting to it. He's not going for two first rounders. He's not.

[Miles Turner]

So what I'm asking is does he does his salary still?

[Joe Johnson]

No, no, no.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

He back on their books. Yeah, he back on their books.

[Miles Turner]

Even though they didn't sign the mother.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yes, yes. So you got a factor that if

[Miles Turner]

they keep him then they probably if they gonna have salary problems, basically.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, probably they could. What they could do is convert that, put boardable years, add two years and then turn into. Turn a large chunk of that into a signing bonus. You kick the can down the road, but you give yourself some relief right now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And that's what you see. You see what the Cowboys did with Rashawn Gary Ocho. They added a couple of voidable years, took his number down. Now he. He. They freed up $13 million in cap space.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep. They front load him.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep. It's. It's a bad situation. I feel bad. I feel bad for Max. I feel bad for the Raiders because I can just imagine, Ocho, you in the building. Just imagine you're in the building and they tell you it's not gonna happen.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All right, that has to.

[Joe Johnson]

What, the knee? Yeah, we know, but we see some degeneration that we think is gonna be long. That's best further along than we'd like.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Miles Turner]

Man, can y' all imagine what that feeling is like? Like, you know, having to go back to your team? It's almost similar to the Dom connect situation for the Lakers.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep, that's exactly right. You. Yeah, yeah.

[Miles Turner]

You know, they trade him to Charlotte for that Mark Williams cat and he failed his physical and then Dalton connect had to come back. Man, that's got to be a best. It's got to be messed up.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, you know, hey, hey, hey, Joe Ocho. Hey, I'm gone. That's new thing over here. I'm going with her. Then she put you out, baby. I'm back. You know, I would just. I would just play it.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, as long as they check clear on the 1st and 15th. You go.

[Joe Johnson]

You go back.

[Miles Turner]

Joe, I'm back. Hey, I'm back. Hey, hey, look, y'. All, we can play two on two at practice. 303. Whatever y' all we need to do to keep everybody right. But listen here, boy, please. I'm trying to crack this rotation, I think.

[Joe Johnson]

And the thing is, look, Ocho, we talked about it. Joe, we talked about. Say, hey, Chicago. Chicago should make a play for him. Cause he definitely in that division with the quarterback play. Jordan love, Jared Goff. You need somebody that's gonna pressure the quarterback consistently. You can consistently pressure the quarterback. I like. I like the Bears. That offense is only going to get better. Caleb Williams is only going to improve.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Only going to get better. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So now I need somebody on the defensive side that. That I know can win one on one. And he's tremendous at the run. I mean there are a lot of guys that can rush the quarterback and a lot of times guys, they want to rush the quarterback because that's how you make big money. Run stuffers at the end, they don't make no money. Guys that get the quarterback, guys that protect the quarterback, left tackle the guy that go attack the quarterback, edge rushes, that's where the money is. Because somebody, hey, somebody got to protect the cashier, the ball, the vault, that's the quarterback. Somebody got to protect it. The bank robber which is rush in. Somebody got to be able to get in there and get out. That's why you see the Miles Garrett and the T.J. watts and all the, the Aiden Hutchinson and the Michael and the Michael Parsons. Now you see the 38, 40, 46 million dollar guys and Larry McTunel making 30 million, 31 million to protect the blind side.

[Miles Turner]

Big money. Oh yeah, Changes.

[Joe Johnson]

You got to

[Miles Turner]

ocho that type of money there for game changer, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh yeah. That's why I say I can make a case that LT is the greatest player to ever play the game because he made two position famous, the left tackle and the edge. Nobody else can say they made two position famous. He did because if you didn't have a left tackle, you couldn't beat the Giants. And then everybody went and got an lt. What do you think? The mouth, even though Miles is an end, he's an edge. Lt was a three, four. He was a stand up linebacker. So all these Derrick Thomas and Devon millers and the T.J. watts, all these guys that you see the, the Andersons, who you think that came from the left tackle. When you see the Laramie, Tulsa and, and, and Big T Dub and my Lotta and all these guys where you think they got it? Yeah, the Giants. Cause if you couldn't do, you couldn't do it with lt. You couldn't beat the Giants. You couldn't. Joe Gill, Joe Gibbs changed his entire offense. He brought in the H back because they couldn't do anything with lt. So it's like, hey, we got to get an extra tight end on the field. JoJo Kobe, Jim Lachey, all them guys, all those guys, Gary Zimmerman, Steve Wallace, everybody in the NFC went and got a left tackle to deal with him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He was the real deal.

[Joe Johnson]

And then after that everybody started getting a layot. You got an Andre Tippett, you got a, a Cornelius Bennett, you got a Derek Thomas, everybody started getting those guys. That's how good he was. All right, Joe, this is gonna be right up your alley. He head Coach Eric Spolster broke the people criticizing bamboo out of bios historic 83 point game. Spo said, I'm not losing sleep over what people are saying, what's ethical or not. I would do it 10 times out of 10 again for Bam. I'm apologizing to nobody about this. I think, I think most of the people that probably made comments, they didn't watch the game. That's irresponsible, unethical. You don't even understand the context of the game. Joe, take it away, man.

[Miles Turner]

Look, I'm with Spo apologizing for what many men had 31 in the first quarter. Uncle Ocho. Hey, look, you probably look up. You probably thinking yourself, oh, I got 31 in the first quarter. Oh, we. I'm pro. I'm for sure gonna get 50 today.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Miles Turner]

You know what? I kind of got this thing going then, you know, once you get to a certain point, your teammates gonna start gravitating trying to help you out. That's just part of it, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Miles Turner]

You know what I mean? And I think that's why it took such criticism, because of how he got it. Meaning, like how they were kind of basically force feeding him. But I'm cool with that. Like, man, 83 points, bro. Come on, RKO. Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, hold on.

[Joe Johnson]

So they talk about, oh, the weather's not any good. They make it seem ain't been good all year. The whistle ain't been good since they were the Bullets. So.

[Miles Turner]

Right. And we.

[Joe Johnson]

And the thing is like, right, Joe, he had 31 in the first quarter. Didn't he get another 12? I got 43 at the half. At worst case scenario, I'm getting 60.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on. Yeah, you think it's 60.

[Miles Turner]

You got.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on, Joe. Joe. I got. I got 19 and third, I got 62. Now with 12 minutes to play, I'm

[Miles Turner]

thinking about catching Kobe record.

[Joe Johnson]

Thank you, Joe. Thank you.

[Miles Turner]

I'm thinking, hey, hey, hey. I'm thinking now I'm thinking Kobe had 81. I got 62 with 12 minutes. Hey, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Miles Turner]

With a little help from my teammates, I'm out there like bam. Playing wide receiver.

[Joe Johnson]

They got three dudes guarding. Hey, hey, hey, hey. I ain't playing no defense. All I do is snowball. I'm cherry picking. Hey, get to the basket. I'm taking off. Hey, throw it down there and hit me one of them hail Marys.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, think about it, bro. Like that's, that's legendary. Because obviously, you know, we, we hadn't seen Will, but we know will got 100 points. Yeah, man, can you after like from

[Joe Johnson]

Joe, not to cut you off, but people say, man, will, they scored no 100 points after seeing Bam get 83. Everybody said, yeah, we'll got 100 after they saw Bam get. Right after they saw Bam get 83. Because you got to realize, right, Bam's average in 19, 20 points a game. So you got 63 more points than what you average. Bam career high might be 40, 41, 42 points. So now you got 40 plus points more than your career high.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah, I think.

[Joe Johnson]

I think 78. A 73. Two. No, Wilt had a 70. He had a 71. A 72. What? I think the 72 came in 62, 61. But Wilt had like three 70 point games that year. 78, 100, a 73 and a 72. So he had four 70 point games in one year.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's crazy, man.

[Miles Turner]

Listen, it's because Bam is in what we would necessarily call a score. But he got a nice package. He got a nice bag. Uncle Ocho. Hey, look, the man down there in Miami living, right? Him and Asia, they. They big Boo loving.

[Brianna Stewart]

He.

[Miles Turner]

He having a good time, man. Hey, I'm happy for him, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you know, you know what's funny, Uncle Joe, is, is those that actually play the game of basketball, whether it's. Whether it's coaches, whether it's former players, whether it's current players, I mean, their. Their reaction to it has. Has not been very supportive. You know, if you heard most of the comments, and I mean, I'm somewhat confused, obviously, 83 is 83. No matter how you splice it, no matter how you try to move the goal post, no matter how you try to explain it, it's. It's history. I mean, just. And the fact that I said it yesterday, Joe, talking with Unc and if. If Kobe was here, Kobe would be the first one celebrating it. Man, we have all these Kobe fans that are mad, that aren't even thinking like Kobe thinks Kobe celebrates a milestone like that. Absolutely not tripping off someone breaking a milestone.

[Joe Johnson]

It'd be a congratulations Kobe. If he had passed any. If it was. If it was Joe Johnson, if it was anybody else other than Kobe, it would have got applauded. Now, Joe, right? You was in the league when Kobe shot 50 times that last game. Ain't nobody say nothing. 50 shots.

[Miles Turner]

What? He finished with 60s on 50 shots.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Ain't nobody said nothing. Boy, what a performance. You see Kobe?

[Miles Turner]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

What were they doing? What was his teammates doing, Joe throwing Him. The ball.

[Miles Turner]

No, they was. Yeah, they was force feeding, considering that.

[Joe Johnson]

I want to pull up the. I want to pull up the. What's it called him. Because I want to see something because I want to see how many shots his teammate shot. Because when somebody shoot 50 times, Joe, you might get, what, 80, 85 shots in a game, and you got 12 players playing and one guy shoot 50 times. How many the others get? Hey, hey.

[Miles Turner]

What I think, though, Unc, is the fact that everybody knew that was his last game. They. They wanted to see him go out. They wanted to see him go out with a. I mean, hell, that's a Kobe, like, game. 50. Dang. He shot 50 times. Like, ain't. Who else gonna shoot that many times, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Miles Turner]

You know what I mean?

[Joe Johnson]

No. Yeah. Okay. So he was. He was 22 of 56 of 21 from the three Hurtus had had. Okay. Julius Randall was one for four. Roy Hibbert was two of three, Jordan Clarkson was. Was six or ten. D' Angelo Russell was four of ten. Kelly had zero shots. Tim Platt. Tim Black was two or three. Larry Nash Jr. Was three or three, and Herta Hurt Us was one or two. So they took 85 shots.

[Miles Turner]

They understood the assignment.

[Joe Johnson]

Ain't nobody have a problem with it. Bam. Teammates understood. SPO told him, let's see how far he can take. Let's see how far he can take it. I'd have been pissed if they'd have took him out. I ain't gonna lie to you, Joe and Ocho. I'd have stayed the whole game. Cause now I'm gonna try to get 90. It's a minute and 24 seconds left, Joe. I ain't gonna lie. I'm gonna try to get 90. I ain't lying.

[Miles Turner]

Might well stay in there the whole game. Go. Don't just settle for 83. You saying keep going.

[Joe Johnson]

I had a conversation. I had a conversation with Ozzy and Brian Billick about Jamal Lewis. Jamal Lewis had 295 yards, Ocho, and they took him out of the game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You mean to tell me y' all can't let that man get five yards? If somebody break 300, I want to be the first NFL player to rush for 300 yards in an NFL game. They took the man out with like five, six minutes left in the ball game. I don't care. 300. Do you understand what 300 mean, Ocho? In an NFL game, it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, absolutely.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, listen, Abely, even. Even. Even the Saquan Barkley thing, when he could have pushed the running back record. And they. And look, look, look. It ain't no giving. You gonna get back there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You.

[Miles Turner]

He didn't have no as.

[Chad Ochocinco]

As you can see. The next year, he.

[Miles Turner]

You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. You gotta take advantage of those moments.

[Joe Johnson]

We had the same thing. We had the same situation. Oo and Joe, to get 2000 TD needed like 177 yards last game of the season. We got everything sewn up. They at the a. The lion. Say we want to get it. Say we want to be in the record books. All right, let go. Let's go get it. You ain't got. I think he went. Got 187.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, but, bro, history. History. I. I still think about it today because if you remember, Ocho, Adrian Peterson broke Jamal's record. He ran for 296.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That was his rookie year.

[Joe Johnson]

If you break my. Look here. If you. If you go for 301, I'm good. But guess what, Ocho? I was the first guy to rush for 300 yards in an NFL game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

In the NFL game.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Look, is the. Is 500. His record is 550. 52. 50 or something yards. The first. There's something about the first people gonna come behind you. The. The. I don't know who's the first person to have a diamond. A diamond album, but guess what, Ocho? I was the first. Yeah, there've been a lot of diamond albums. Mariah Carey got a couple. Whitney, Michael, Beyonce. Yeah, I was the first. If I'm. Like I said, if I'm. Bam. I got 83. I ain't lying chat. I ain't coming out. I'm trying to get 90.

[Miles Turner]

I ain't gonna lie.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The first certified diamond album was Michael Jackson's Thriller.

[Joe Johnson]

Really? Listen.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Wait. Yeah. Thank you. The first album certified diamond, 2 million plus copies by RIAA awarded in 1984, where Michael Jackson's Thriller certified 20 million. Fleetwood Max rumors 12 million. And Saturday Night Fever soundtrack, 11 million.

[Joe Johnson]

That was. That was the first. But Michael sold him 100 million copies, so. That thing 10 times diamond. Ain't nobody beating that because they only that. First of all, they down. They. They do what? What? Spotify is streaming now, so. Yeah, you not buying no. No hard copies. You. It was a thing back in the day, Ocho. To actually go buy the hard copy, you could listen to it. You put the headset on. Put it on. They let you listen to it. You go to a little mom and pop or you go to Tower Records and you could actually listen to the album. Like, yeah, I like that. Okay, I'm gonna get this. Or they, you could have go to Lamont pop shops and they would make you a cassette. They'd make you an eight track. Yeah, I ain't got no problem. And people like, well, they was filing. Okay, did anything happen in the game that's not a part of the game? Guess what they do every night in the game? Ojo and Joe foul. Yeah, they was.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Were they filing? Bam. They didn't have to file it. They filed him. So he go to the free throw line and he made 36 or 43.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know what to tell you.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, listen, if I'm on the defensive team, man, I don't know how this man finna get 83 if he had 31 in the first quarter. Ojo, first, first off, Uncle Ojo, my defense, my awareness gonna turn up so high, I'm gonna start denying, man, you're not from the 83. I've been in the game. The highest I've been in the game. Dame Lillard. This one, I was playing in Utah. We played against the Blazers when he was in, in Portland. He gave us like 62 look. Yeah, I know Ocho, he was.

[Joe Johnson]

He was cooking.

[Miles Turner]

We couldn't. I'm talking about. But these three. Oh, yeah, yeah, everything. We couldn't contain him in the pick and roll. He going by guards, he just getting with. Getting what he wants to. So in this same game, bro, I go over 20, 000 points for my career. I'm thinking to myself, say, I already knew this. Coming to the game, I needed like 13 points to go for 20k.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Miles Turner]

So I went on, got mine out the way. First half, I went on, got mine out the way. Uncle Ocho. Yo, man, this Joker went from 62. I'm thinking to myself, how in the hell I'm gonna get the ball? This dude went for a career high 62. Lo and behold, after the game, man, the ball boy brought me the ball. He, you know, Dame told him to bring it to me. I thought that was cool. So it's like, you know, I thought that was pretty cool on Dame part.

[Joe Johnson]

But we've seen Dame explode like that. Dame got a 70 point game Dane could have got because I remember calling him. I say, bro, why you didn't. I say, why you didn't go for 80? He's like, sharp. I was trying to get 80. He said, man, you saw they started doubling. Hey, they were leaving other men wide open. They were doubling and tripling him in the backcourt, But I think he. I think he ended up with, like, 71, 72. I called him. I said, yeah, you gotta get 80. He said, Man, I was trying.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And he was cooking. And so the. The thing is, Joe, I think the biggest thing. Ojo and Joe is that who did it. You're thinking somebody that. That's a score. That's gonna get a number like that. Because when you see numbers like that, you see David Thompson or you see Luca, or you see somebody with 70, those are scores. Bam is not a score. Yeah. And he got 83, of all people.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah. That's why everybody's so shocked.

[Joe Johnson]

Shocked.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah. I'm sitting here. I'm look. I'm looking across my. It came across my phone. I'm like.

[Joe Johnson]

He got what? A buddy of mine text me, say, dan, I said, Bam got 31 in the first quarter. I said, he'll probably end up with, like, 50, 55, right? He said, well, he got 40. He did. He texted me back and say, we got 43 at the half. I said, well, let's readjust that. So let's. Okay, Go get at least 60. Because I'm thinking now, yeah, if you get 10 and 10, that's 20, that's 63. He said he got 62 at the. I'm like, 62 and three quarters. I said. I said, well, eight is in play now.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And I.

[Miles Turner]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

He sent me back. He, like, 81. And then all of a sudden, it started bubbling again, you know, like some. Another.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I was like, well, damn, 83.

[Miles Turner]

I don't care how you cut a slice of fellas. That's impressive, man. Oh, yeah, that's impressive.

[Joe Johnson]

83 points.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah, listen. Cause, you know. You know. You know what? Uncle Ocho, you think about it, he really took. If he shot 40, what, three.

[Joe Johnson]

43 throws, right? And. And 43 shots.

[Miles Turner]

He took. 86 shots he took. You got to be in shape to do that, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you think he played the. He played the next game, or do you rest after that?

[Miles Turner]

He played tonight.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What he had tonight, about 20.

[Joe Johnson]

I think he.

[Miles Turner]

I think. I think. I don't even think he had that for real. They won, though.

[Joe Johnson]

They beat the book, I think. Yeah, I think. I think he had, like, 17. I think he had, like, 17, Joe. Yeah. He ended with 21.

[Miles Turner]

21. He ended with 21.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay. Hey. Hey, Joe.

[Miles Turner]

What's up?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey. They canceled the Magic City thing, man.

[Miles Turner]

I know, bro. They still got the game TI performing at half. I. I still got the tickets. Now. What you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, oh. I'm coming. I ain't.

[Miles Turner]

What?

[Joe Johnson]

I'm coming.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What you mean?

[Miles Turner]

Okay. Okay. I thought we were locked in. Twin.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I don't. I don't. Bought my little ticket off. Off of spirit. I'd be there.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah. I got you, man. We good.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. You sure you don't want to join us at the game?

[Miles Turner]

No, I don't got surgery, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He can limp out there now.

[Miles Turner]

You need to get right so I can. So I can get him in that. Get him in that cornhole. Get him in that corn hole.

[Chad Ochocinco]

There you go. Hey, there you go. Talking. There you go.

[Miles Turner]

I just said get him in the cornhole. He won the cornhole. I want my get back in there. You know, I know he'd be at home practicing in the backyard when he out there with the dogs. I already know what's going on.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm trying to show you something, guys, because people.

[Miles Turner]

What you got, man?

[Joe Johnson]

Put zero in on that. When I say my buddy was texting me. Who you could y' all see that?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Not really.

[Miles Turner]

Damn, bro. Said no sending one.

[Joe Johnson]

And then he put 81. And then soon it started building again. 83.

[Miles Turner]

He did. He said 83. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Guys, y' all think people. I know. Look, I know the Internet because you got AI and people lie so much. Bro. I ain't got to lie. What I wanna. What? What do I get? I just want to know. Chad, tell me what to. The guy wrote, tell me what I get out of my life. Oh, Joe. And I did. I find. I got another famous number. I got a Justin Timberlake's number in my phone, too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, okay.

[Joe Johnson]

I was looking like, damn, I forgot I got jt. But I. I think that's the biggest thing. But check this out, Joe. Gordon Hayward said, I think Bam is one of the best two way players in the league at his position. But he's not a score, right? So for him to break Kobe's record, I don't think it's great for the league. I think it's kind of highlights how they're already struggling. It kind of feels like a pickup game when you're watching. And for him to shoot 43 free throws and 22 threes when that's not what he does, it almost feels like. And again, the Wizards, too, with all the teams tanking, it kind of makes it feel not legit. Ojo. Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You see what I mean? Joe.

[Miles Turner]

And hey, hey, hey, hey, man. Hey. Like my grandma say, if you ain't got Nothing good. Say, don't say nothing.

[Joe Johnson]

Thank you.

[Miles Turner]

No, for real. Don't say nothing at all, man. Stop trying to diminish what this man. And done. We got, We. We got a lot of people hating on him that I wouldn't expect the hate to be coming from, you know what I'm saying? Like, 83 is 83, bro. Like, unless he took 80 shots, you know what I'm saying? Like, the man, he, he had it going, man. He had a good night regardless if he shot 43 free throws, so what? To get 83 points in the game, man. Like, did they file it?

[Joe Johnson]

The question is, I want to know, Ocho, Joe. Did they file him? Were those files Gordon Hayward, anybody else said he shot 43 times, 43 free throws, did they foul him? That is the question. Because last I checked, when Dr. Naismith wrote it, he wrote files in there. And if you went over a certain number, you got to shoot free throws, or if you're in the. If you're in the active shooting, you shot free throws, so. Or if you had five, three, five files. So the question is, were they filing, Bam? Yes or no?

[Miles Turner]

Yeah, they were filing. They couldn't. They could not do nothing with that, man. Do you hear me? I'm talking about Uncle Ocho. The man was in his bag. Like, I knew he had a nice little handle, you know what I mean? I knew he had a nice. He looked like. I'm talking about the way he was coming down, shooting threes, getting in this bag. I'm like, hold on.

[Joe Johnson]

Thank you. I said the same thing. I said the same thing when they, when they showed it, because they showed somebody, I think, what you call them, they showed all 31 of his points in the first quarter on Twitter X. And I'm like, well, damn, Bam, hold up. How you come on, take three dribbles past half court and pull up from three. That ain't your game. But when you, man, look, just like when you had those back to back 200 yard game. When you in that zone, ain't nothing to do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You in there.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, look, look, look. I'm like, hold on, bro, you've been teasing us. When you got all this in your bag, you give us 83. Come on, man. Like, you know.

[Joe Johnson]

But what did he say? What did he say, Joe? He said the same thing. I think Bam is one of the best two way players in the league at his position. But he's not a score, you see because of who did it. If Dame Lillard get this record, if Steph Curry, James Harden, Luka Doncic, somebody that's known for scoring. Kevin Durant.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah, we got this.

[Joe Johnson]

But because it's bamboo, what was Bam high? This, I mean, this year, bam hot. This year might be 30. And to go from a high 30 to 53 to add 53 to that is just crazy.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah, it came, I came out of nowhere.

[Joe Johnson]

You look at the guys, because you look at the guys that got those numbers, those guys are scores. Everybody that's up there wilt was a score. We'll average 30 and 23 for a career. You look at, look at James Harden is known as a score. You look at David Thompson was a score. Michael Jordan High was 69 a score. Kobe's high 81 score. You look at guys that Luka Doncic is a score. Dame Lillard is a score. We look at Bam, we think about Bam is a two way player. He'll get a, he'll give you somewhere 15 to 20 ain't gonna give you somewhere between 8 and 12 rebounds. That's what he is great two way player, can play defense, can play on ball, defense can play help side defense can rebound. The basketball. It's just so unlike him. Anybody him. Joel Embiid score. We don't look at Bam as a score. And so that's what's throwing people off. But it happens sometimes. Guys have out of body experiences. Look at Flipper. If somebody said, well, who got the most receiving yards in a single game? Ocho. Hey, somebody, they're gonna say Megatron. They're gonna say Randy Moss, Jerry Wright to. It's Flip. Little old flip.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

6 foot 180,

[Miles Turner]

getting down with it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, you went crazy, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

But I, I ain't gonna lie. I ain't losing no sleep over it. Hell, I've been, I've been watching it. I watch. I'm like, well, damn. Cause you don't know. But I. I ain't coming out. I'm good night. I'm gonna try to get 90. Keep doing what y' all doing. Yeah, that game would have just been ending. I go get Joe Ocho, you seven points away from 90. I mean, you think, can you imagine if that dude would have got 90? Now I want somebody to get 90 points

[Miles Turner]

for whatever reason. It just feel, it feels strange, but I feel like it can happen. You know, you just. That first quarter obviously got to be special. You know what I'm saying? That first quarter, especially if you can get 26, 30 points in the first. In the first quarter.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Miles Turner]

Then you thinking like, okay, boom. And half if I could have 43, 42, 45 and half.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you gotta. You got a good chance, boy.

[Miles Turner]

I know. I'm getting 50.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho. Yeah, it's like. It's like. Well, you remember when Tyreek. Tyreek had those 200 yards in the first, like, in, like, five catches against Tampa?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Miles Turner]

I said, oh, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, he about to break this. I'm thinking he about to break the record. You got 200, and you got a whole half to go. So I just knowing, you know, it's like anything.

[Podcast Announcer]

You.

[Joe Johnson]

You. You get going, and you just like, oh, yeah, it's one of those days. And you just. Yeah, I. Look, I understand. Y' all can be mad. All you want to guess what. I'm in the record. And look, there might be somebody else. Somebody might break Wilt's record. And there might be somebody get 90 and push me down to three. And somebody might push me down. I might. At one point in 50 years from now, I might be 10. But this is what I know. I scored 83 points in an NBA game.

[Miles Turner]

Hey, that's nasty. Word.