Nightcap Hour 1: LeBron TURNS BACK the CLOCK vs ROCKETS + Rockets Had TEAM MEETING About Kevin Durant’s BURNER Account

Summary

Nightcap Hour 1: LeBron TURNS BACK the CLOCK vs ROCKETS + Rockets Had TEAM MEETING About Kevin Durant’s BURNER Account

Date: May 2, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (“Ocho”), ISO Joe Johnson
Podcast: Nightcap
Episode: NBA Playoffs Reactions and Rockets Team Drama

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode of Nightcap centers on immediate reactions to the Los Angeles Lakers’ emphatic playoff victory over the Houston Rockets, led by an ageless LeBron James. The trio also dives deep into the Rockets' internal issues, including a team meeting prompted by the exposure of Kevin Durant’s burner account and its impact on team chemistry. The conversation is broad, covering player mentality, leadership styles, contracts, and the business of basketball, all delivered with the hosts’ trademark humor and candor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. LeBron’s Vintage Dominance & Lakers’ Team Effort

[03:03–07:14]

• Aggressive LeBron Sets the Tone: Both Unc and Ocho marvel at LeBron’s refusal to play passively in an elimination game. LeBron was “aggressive from the jump,” with Unc dismissing concerns about efficiency in favor of leadership and assertiveness.

  • Quote (Joe Johnson, 03:12): “The only story that will be written is what goat James, a 41-year-old, went in and did. He was aggressive from the jump... I need him to be aggressive.”

• Supporting Cast Steps Up:

  • Rui Hachimura and Laravia contribute critical minutes and rebounding; Reeves “got that rust off” and played well after his second game back.
  • Marcus Smart lauded for hustle and defense, despite minimal scoring early. His veteran play (“blocking shots, hustle plays”) highlighted as vital for playoff basketball.

• Defense and Maturity Shine:

  • Lakers held the Rockets to only 78 points, focusing on rebounding (outrebounding Houston on the offensive glass) and mature play from veterans like Smart and Ayton.

Notable Quote:

• Joe Johnson, 09:33: “I thought the Lakers played great defense... the biggest key is probably the way LeBron started the game. Getting into the teeth of the defense, living in the paint, scoring at will.”

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2. The Rockets’ Youth, Inexperience, and Lack of Chemistry

[10:45–18:27]

• Young Rockets Unable to Adjust:

  • Reed Shepherd struggled to hit threes, and Houston’s offense stalled. Discussions around their lack of patience and over-reliance on individual moments rather than chemistry.
  • Commentators note the absence of a “playmaker” or organizing veteran presence with KD out and VanVleet not playing.

• Contract Chasing and Stats Over Team Play:

  • The hosts break down how young players may be eyeing personal statistics for contract considerations, sometimes at the expense of teamwork.
  • Quote (Joe Johnson, 25:11): “Didn’t Paulo Bancaro just sign a max deal? Didn’t Chet Holmgren just sign a max deal? Jabari Smith said, what about me?”

• Leadership Vacuum:

  • With KD's leadership questioned and absence of veteran playmakers, the team suffered from one-pass possessions and poor assist totals.

Memorable Moment:

• Unc likens the Rockets to fireworks: “Anybody know anything about fireworks? ... You know when you get a big old pack and half of them duds?” (08:48)

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3. Player Roles, Sacrifice, and ‘Glue Guys’

[13:13–16:43]

• Understanding Value Beyond Scoring:

  • Extended discussion on the importance of players like Marcus Smart who contribute with defense, hustle, and locker room presence even when not scoring.
  • “As long as you’re being aggressive, making plays, trying to score, then everybody else ... they can get it off the glass.” (Joe Johnson, 09:33)

• Sacrifice and Contract Realities:

  • Joe describes the difficulty of sacrifice when every young player wants to prove themselves for their first (or next) contract: “Everybody says, sacrifice, sacrifice. But I don’t want to be the one to have to sacrifice. Let him sacrifice. I need my numbers.” (Joe Johnson, 35:32)

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4. KD’s Burner Account & Rockets Locker Room Fallout

[38:12–47:13]

• Team Meeting After Burner Account Exposed:

  • Kevin Durant’s secret Twitter account is revealed, showing him sharply criticizing teammates and calling out specific weaknesses—referencing teammates as “crayon eaters” and calling Jabari Smith “slow.”
  • Quote (Joe Johnson, 42:53): “He criticized Shingun, calling him a traffic cone who can’t shoot or defend. … That’s way bigger issue than my turnovers.”

• Impact on Trust and Chemistry:

  • Suggestion that this discovery led to a significant team meeting and possible irreparable damage to relationships.
  • The hosts debate whether KD’s injury was compounded by frustration and fractured locker room dynamics.

• Leadership Styles and How Teams React:

  • KD’s quieter, lead-by-example style contrasted with direct, vocal (sometimes combative) leadership of legends like LeBron, MJ, Kobe, and Steph.
  • “You can’t ask him to be something he’s not ... That’s not the way he leads.” (Joe Johnson, 49:19)
  • The hosts joke about expectations in relationships: “If you meet her in the club, don’t be surprised she keeps going to the club.” (50:44)

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5. Player Relationships, Leadership & Team Bonding

[53:00–59:59]

• How Locker Rooms Recover from Betrayal:

  • Ocho and Joe swap stories about teammates calling each other out, in person or via social media, and how veterans versus young players handle it.
  • On responding to criticism: “That’s the only way I could fire back. … I’m gonna show you what slow is.” (Ocho, 53:53)

• Building Chemistry Off the Court:

  • Anecdotes on the importance of team dinners, outings, and personal relationships beyond basketball, and how this fosters trust and success on the court.
  • Memorable Moment: Unc details how the Broncos built camaraderie with bowling nights and poker games, showing this off-court unity’s role in winning cultures.

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6. Closing Thoughts: What’s Next for LeBron, Lakers, and KD?

[37:36, 65:44]

• Lakers Look Ahead:

  • Lakers move on with multiple days’ rest before facing OKC and the defending champions.

• KD’s Uncertain Future in Houston:

  • The show closes on speculation that Durant might not be with the Rockets next season due to the accumulated drama and internal discord.
  • “I think there’s a greater chance KD is not on Houston next year than he is.” (Joe Johnson, 65:44)

• Love for the Game:

  • Despite everything, KD’s devotion to basketball is never in question: “There’s never been a debate about his devotion and desire for the game.” (Joe Johnson, 66:16)

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Notable Quotes (w/ Timestamps)

• On LeBron’s Performance:

  • “He was aggressive from the jump.” – Joe Johnson, 03:12

• On the Rockets Deteriorating Without KD:

  • “Some of those guys on that team think they play better without KD.” – Joe Johnson, 23:40

• On Young Players and Contracts:

  • “Jabari Smith said, what about me? … Y’all ain’t got no money for me?” – Joe Johnson, 25:11

• On KD’s Burner Account Fallout:

  • “He said that on his burner account… He also called the Rocket teammates crayon eaters. Allegedly.” – Joe Johnson, 43:27

• On Leadership Styles:

  • “Everybody can’t lead like LeBron and Kobe… KD leads by example.” – Joe Johnson, 49:17

• On Locker Room Dynamics:

  • “When you don’t hang out with your teammates, bro, it tells them a lot.” – Co-host/Analyst, 55:40

• On KD’s Future:

  • “I think there’s a greater chance KD is not on Houston next year than he is.” – Joe Johnson, 65:44

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Episode Flow & Tone

The episode maintains a loose, candid, and humorous tone. The hosts use analogies from personal life and business, connect NBA drama to relatable scenarios, and aren’t shy to poke fun at players or the business side of sports. Ocho, Joe, and Unc riff off each other, keeping the energy lively and the insights accessible even to casual fans.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• LeBron & Lakers Game Breakdown: [03:03–10:38]
• Rockets’ Youth & Locker Room Issues: [10:45–25:55]
• NBA Contracts & Player Mentality: [24:37–35:32]
• Kevin Durant Burner Account Fallout: [38:12–47:13]
• Leadership & Team Bonding: [49:19–59:59]
• Closing Thoughts on Team Futures: [65:44–66:38]

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Summary:
This Nightcap episode offers an immediate, unfiltered look at legends analyzing the Lakers’ playoff win (behind LeBron’s 28/8/7), the unraveling of Rockets’ cohesiveness following KD’s burner account drama, and the realities of NBA team building—from contracts and leadership to chemistry and trust. If you missed the game or want locker room stories that go beyond box scores, this show delivers with both depth and entertainment.

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[Co-host/Analyst]

Me neither.

[Joe Johnson]

I need him to be aggressive. Yes, thank you guys for joining. Man. Look, the first two games were as good as you could possibly get, right? Lakers walk the dog on them. It's amazing. Joe. When shots don't start falling, all of a sudden they looking at each other, looking to the bench. Y' all didn't do none of that the other night. Y' all was high five in the bumping. I wonder if y' all still the better team. Jabari, Jabari Smith, everybody's the better team when you win. But we'll get into that just a little later. Y' all know who I am. I am your favorite uncle. That is my partner and co host. That's Liberty City's own, that's the Bingo ring of fame honoree. He's a six time pro bowler, he's an all pro and he's Ocho Cinco Johnson and the seven time NBA all star from the Atlanta Hawks, University of Arkansas alum, Little Rock, Arkansas native. That is ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And do us a favor, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. We'd like to thank each and every one of you for your eyes, ears and your word of mouth. It's nights like this. If you're on the east coast, it's after midnight. We can't thank you enough for tuning in and joining us. If you're on the west coast, thank you. If you're in the Midwest, thank you again. Because all of this happens, all the wars that you see behind us and you see the adulation and the Praise Top 10 Top 20 podcast, that's all because of you. We can get on here and make it as entertaining and it's informative and educational as we like. But if nobody's watching, if nobody is listening and nobody is talking about what we're talking about or what we're saying, it does not matter. So we sincerely thank you from the bottom of our heart. Those looking to purchase a bottle of Shea by Laportier, head over to laportiercognac.com if you cannot find it in a state or city near you. It is a premium VSOP cognac. The best tasting premium VSOP kayak on the market. But it drinks like a xo. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Oh, you know what they told me? They said, get your coat your brim and get on out of this gym. Get your coat your brim and get on out of this gym. Get your coat, your hat and leave. People, people. Not what I'm talking about. That what I'm talking about.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey uncle, you feeling Good, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

You know, I'm on the. Hey, Joe, I want that pro tonight. We might go four hours. We might go four.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Ah, you on that liquor, huh? I got you. You're on that yak. Okay. Hey, hey, I got. Before we even start, I got a question for you right now, before reality setting. I know the Lakers played really well tonight. LeBron was aggressive. He did what he needed to do. God damn, Achimura. Did I say that right?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

We hit them shots tonight. You hear me?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Don't connect. He showed up. He came to the party also.

[Joe Johnson]

That's a no. You talking about Laravia Came in Connecticut. Really play until. I don't think he got in the game. No, he came in late. No, it was Laravia. Came in, gave him some quality minutes.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Five rebounds, seven points. Yeah. Oh, hey, brother.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Brother. Reeves played well tonight, too.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

You know, he got. He got that rust off a little bit, you know, going into his second game. So I'm gonna let you have a night for the fun, because y' all won this series. It's over. But y' all know you. You know a dragon land in front of you now, right?

[Joe Johnson]

We're not. We not to that castle. We're not trying to kiss that princess yet.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Are you not worried about that yet?

[Joe Johnson]

Castle with the dragon is that. And he's blocking the princess.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Right?

[Joe Johnson]

Right. Talk about that then. Right now we gonna talk about them stinking rockets that failure to launch.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Okay?

[Co-host/Analyst]

The dudes.

[Joe Johnson]

Let's talk about them duds, okay? Misfire.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir. Anybody know anything about fireworks? You know when you get a big old pack and half of them duds?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, go, Joe. You look at the Lakers, and they understood the assignment. They. They didn't want to play a game seven. Cause anything can happen. They got confidence. They're like, hey, we've already won in their building before. We can damn sure go in here and win again. Lakers adopted that same mindset. JJ Said, look, guys, game three, we went there, and we won. We can win again. All we got to do is take care of the basketball, keep those guys off the glass. They did a great job of that tonight. Joe, what was so impressive? What would you. What you found most interesting and why the Lakers won this game. And in one in the fashion in which they did.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Well, I thought the Lakers played great defense, Uncle Ocho. I mean, as you can see, the rockets only score 78 points. And when you cut them young guys water off to where they're not efficient, they're not making shots. You see the difference, right? Yeah, yes, it's a huge difference. But the biggest key is probably the way LeBron started the game. You know, putting his step on the game early, you know, getting into the teeth of the defense, living in the paint, scoring. That will. I'm like you. I don't give a damn that he won 10 for 25. I'm cool with that. Hey, bro. Hey. As long as you being aggressive, making plays, trying to score, then everybody else, they, you know, you. They can get it off the glass. So they'll start. They'll catch up with you and they'll start to play off you. I just thought the Lakers was in full control tonight from start to finish. They. They. They really never looked like, you know, like they was in. Like they was ever going any danger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They was never in any danger. But that's, that's, that's. That's indicative to playing a young Rockets team who, yeah, they got a little experience, but hell if they ain't making shots. Okay, Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

How else can they affect the game to keep themselves in it at home? And they couldn't do it. They couldn't do it tonight.

[Joe Johnson]

And I think the thing is, is that because Reed shepherd wasn't able to get hit some threes early, nobody was diving to the basket. I thought they did a great job. It's like, look, we're not coming to help. They like, hey, Ayton, you got to anchor down.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And he did. He did a great job of absorbing that contract. Contact. Because Shingon, when he bodies you, he. No, hey, no. Aiden said, nah, I ain't going nowhere, bro.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I dropped anchor right here. I ain't moving.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And he made. He made him. He for shot. Made him go up over the top. I thought Marcus Smart was unbelievable, Ton. He did a great job of taking care of the basketball. Remember, he had six turnovers last.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Last game, Joe.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

But think about it's his hustle plays.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

That he's blocking shots from back. Hey. And that. I don't know who it was. Was it. Was it Eason? I don't know if it was Easton. I don't know who it was. That he met him at the summit.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he met him at the summit.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he was sensational tonight. I thought he stepped up to play. I thought canard. I thought everybody played really well. They got a little loosey goosey with the ball. I thought Alston Reeves tried to pat the ball behind his Back it goes out of bounds, and the next thing you know, Houston goes on a 6, 0 run.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, I agree.

[Joe Johnson]

Those are the type of plays that when you playing better teams. Now you do this, that six nothing run. Okay, see, that's 16 nothing. Yeah, but we'll talk about that. Oh, we'll talk about that. We'll talk about that next week. We ain't gonna talk about it, right? Yes, sir.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yes, sir. Yes.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, hey, listen, listen. I like what you said about Marcus Smart. And for guys who enjoy playing the game, who enjoy watching the game, man, listen, when you ain't making shots, how else can you put your stamp on the game? Cause Marcus Smart probably didn't score until what, the third or fourth quarter.

[Joe Johnson]

He had one point until those final two threes.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So at one point.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. So he never hung his head. He kept playing hard. And hell, you gotta have him on the court because his energy and effort that he brings defensively, you know, keeping guys together on defense, I think, I mean, he's a hell of a piece, bro. You got to have guys who can really stay in the right mind frame. Uncle Ocho, when things ain't really going their way. And for young guys, that's hard, very hard. Yeah, but when you got a veteran guy like Marcus Smart, who'd have been around the block here, he didn't gave you 20 plus, you know, in this series.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

And he didn't. And it's been games like tonight where it didn't look so good to him or form until late in the game, you know, to where he was able to make a couple shots. But for the most part, bro, he still played his role to the tee.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, Joe. And that, that's. That's something too. Joe, you. You mentioned it too before. Sometimes, like when you get to this level, you got to understand everybody can score. But depending on where you at, depending on what your role is, you. They might not need you to score. So you got to be a value somewhere else outside of just being a score. Like Marcus, what Marcus Smart was tonight. And okay, I'm not scoring, but there's still. There's some other valuable attributes that I bring to my game, you know, for the, for the Lakers tonight, hustling, playing crazy defense, you know, hey, Unc, I don't know what the hell meet that the summit is, but I know he did something right.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he made it back to rib.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You tried to dunk it, wouldn't got it.

[Joe Johnson]

He would have made. Okay. You gotta go higher than that. Okay, okay. Hey, I'M at the penthouse too. Okay.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Okay. Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

So unless your penthouse on top of mine. But we both at the penthouse.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I like guess what.

[Joe Johnson]

This high as you can go.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Like that. I like

[Joe Johnson]

Joe. That's the thing. When you're a young player, you're not used to things not going your way.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

Because for the majority of your life things have gone your way. You were the best player in your area. You was an all state player. You were probably Mr. Basketball use the best player on your college team. So now. And so things have always gone your way. So you don't know how to respond when things don't go your way.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Absolutely.

[Joe Johnson]

Kind of like life. Sports is a microcosm of life. When things are always going your way, it's easy. But when you have a little setback, when you have some stumbling blocks placed and obstacles placed in your way. Now how do you overcome adversity?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Absolutely.

[Joe Johnson]

We saw DeMarcus Mark played a terrible game. He. And even though he didn't have a one point until probably like the last six minutes of the ball game.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Other things, other attributes that he contributed that he brought to the table. That is the difference in winning and losing.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Absolutely.

[Joe Johnson]

He's a piece that you more time than not he'll contribute to you winning as opposed to you losing games because he's going to do all the little things and he's under. He understands that. You know what? I'm never going to be the best player on an NBA team.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

With that being said, that doesn't mean I can't contribute. That doesn't mean I'm not valuable.

[Co-host/Analyst]

There you go.

[Joe Johnson]

And so once you understand. Cause a lot of times don't you and I sport, we only equate value to do. If I don't catch no passes, I'm not valuable. If I don't score no touchdowns, I'm not valuable.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

But no, sometimes that being a decoy, sometimes getting that block instead of it being a 10 yard run, it's a 50 yard house call. You have to understand there are other things that are valuable. Sometimes people just place things value on monetary things, that's fine too. We, we all love monetary things. But sometimes there have to be something other than that that brings you value, that brings you happiness. And so I was, I was very excited considering how poorly he played the other night to see him bounce back because he had played so well in this series.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And when he had been healthy he had played so well for the Lakers. So it was great to see him bounce Back like that. And that's what veteran players that's been in these situations before, this is what they normally do.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Absolutely. Right. And that's why you got to have glue guys like Marcus, Smart, Uncle Ocho, you know, because the game isn't his game isn't really the sexiest, but at the same time, he knows how to be effective, bro. He knows how to be effective. He plays his role to the tee. He stars in his role. You feel what I'm saying?

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Co-host/Analyst]

When you got veteran guys like that playing in tough games like this, I don't know what it is about playing at home. This is what I was telling you guys, like, when you're on the road, bro, it seemed like it's just you and your teammates against the world.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

So you, you know, it's likely that you can come out and have a pretty decent game versus being at home when you're comfortable. Slept in your bed, you know, you got your family around, you done let your guard down a little bit, you know what I mean? And to me, it seemed like that's what kind of happened in Houston, because, you know, Jabari Smith didn't really play a hell of a game as far as scoring wise. Him averaging about 16, 17 in this series. They needed all those young dudes to play well. You know, I like the demeanor that LeBron had to start the game. Just very serious and understanding. And knowing that, man, I can't settle too much tonight. Oh, yeah, I gotta put pressure on these boys.

[Joe Johnson]

I think the thing is, Ocho and Joe is that last game, these guys had out of body experiences. Shooting the three. Yes. Guys were pulling up with guys in their face shooting the three. I mean. I mean, Tari Eason, the way he was bricking even his mom, was talking about how he was shooting the ball bad on. On the. On social media, Jabari Smith was letting it rip.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Now all of a sudden, a couple of those shots. That's the difference. You see a couple of shots go in, you grow. All of a sudden, you clank a couple of them. Yeah. Now you all of a sudden, you aim. You aiming at your.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Like, come on.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Doing all this body layo.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

All it takes is for a couple of them, it is to miss. And now all of a sudden, you're not nearly as confident as you once were. But that's what that happens to young players.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

As a vet player, you understand you're gonna have ebbs and flows of the game. I might drop one and it might be a big play. I just know, hey, come back. They're gonna be a shot. They're gonna bring you on a shallow cross. You're gonna have an opportunity on a choice or an option route. Just catch that one. Just get the feel to put that pig skin. Feel that leather.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Then we right back in business. Yeah, we right back in business.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I thought the Lakers, this was the type of game that we wanted to see in game four. This was the type of game that we wanted to see in game five. We would see. Hey, we saw LeBron get right down here. Let's get right to it. All right. Let's get to it.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. What about your boy Rui? Your boy Ruin came to play tonight, didn't he?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. We talked about Rui getting streaky and how he could hit five or six. Hey, Joe, we talked about that the other day. I said, joe, he's a guy. Because I watched him in Memphis and I watched him in some of the series.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, he's a guy.

[Joe Johnson]

He's their best. Best catch and shoot guy from the 3. I think canard is an overall better shooter from the 3 than RUI. But. But as far as just catching the ball and letting it go. Yeah, he's the best on the team.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. Hey, hey. And he covered for us tonight, too. But this, when Rue is playing like this, you know, to where Braun can create and get. Get him wide open shots and kind of get him going, you know, that kind of picks him up, gets his defense going. I just think, hey, now, the Lakers gotta, you know, they gotta get some rest, Uncle Oo and see what they can see. See what they can throw at okc, you know, but they get Saturday off,

[Joe Johnson]

they get Sunday off, they get Monday off. They don't play till Tuesday, Joe.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oh, yeah, they got a little time. They got a little time. They got a little time.

[Joe Johnson]

So D A didn't have a big point, a big night, scoring the basketball. But Joe on the glass, he got everything that was off.

[Co-host/Analyst]

He did, bro. He did. He did.

[Joe Johnson]

And that's what. That's what you have to have. They didn't get. Remember last time? I think they doubled them up.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And offensive rebounds.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Tonight The Lakers had 15, they had eight. Now all of a sudden, those second chance points that you was feasting on the other night, he didn't allow that. Guys got on the glass today. I thought Marcus Mark has seven rebounds, Rui had six rebounds, LeBron had seven rebounds. Brian, you could live with that. Hey, Larabia came in there in 16 minutes. He gave you five rebounds.

[Co-host/Analyst]

He did. Hey, listen, for Houston, I like Taurus Easton, but you need you. You need a KD bro in this series in order to be able to win, because these young dudes weren't going to be able to take you to victory, not throughout the series. Yeah, they can win you a game or two. Because Easton, you need him coming off that bench, Uncle Ocho, to give you a little firepower, a little spark plug that. That probably could have helped you get over the hump in a couple of these games. But without kd, I mean, did we. We didn't really think these guys was going to run the table and win two in a row against the. I know I didn't. You know, I wouldn't have been too surprised. Well, yeah, four in a row. Yeah, I really wouldn't been too surprised had they, you know, kept it close and maybe even won this game tonight. But I wouldn't. I wouldn't have picked them to beat the Lakers.

[Joe Johnson]

Look, we thought that. Look, my thing was. My only concern is that Brad, if Braun come out being passive again, trying to get everybody else involved, because now you try to get everybody else involved, you throwing yourself off.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Rip off.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, sometimes, don't y'. All. We talk, man. You helping everybody else, and now you can't help yourself. Now you find yourself in a predicament.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, get it off the table. Yeah, I'm a pile this on my plate. Some fall off, grab it. But I can. I cannot run the risk of throwing myself off rhythm while all the while trying to get you in rhythm, Right? Yeah, I agree. Everybody, I thought. Look, everybody understood the assignment tonight. Uh, look, Austin Reeves is. Look, he's defensively challenged. It is what it is, Joe. Yeah, he's not gonna get any better. He's not gonna get any better. He's not. He's not. Hey, the guy just don't. I mean, you could try all you want to, but he just doesn't have the lateral movement. His feet heavy. His feet just heavy. Some guys can just. It's. It's easy. You look at Marcus Smart. He can just slide and just slide and just slide and retreat. You got.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, you gotta hope he get in. In a little better shape, though. You could. You seen all them boys hunched over, grabbing their shorts.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, boy.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, them boy were dead dog tired, you know?

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I'm like you. They understood the assignment. Knowing that, man, look, we got to get these young dudes up out of here. We got to go back home Baby, get us some rest the next couple days. And I felt like the Lakers, they. They did that from start to finish.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, get them down. Now they're gonna come down and start jacking up shots. Yeah, they're not gonna be patient because the one thing as. As a young person. You're not patient. No, hey, as a young person, I remember I was a young person, guys, hey, I got my chicken from cracking eggs. Not by letting them hatch. I wouldn't wait. Shay wasn't waiting on nothing.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, that was a bar. That was a part. That was a good.

[Joe Johnson]

And so Joe, you already know, you young. Yeah, I'm gonna try to get it. Hey, let me come down here to three. If I hit a three that go get the crowd, I come down here again. But then what happens? You go airball and you go airball.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I may probably look at you like, what was that?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, what was that?

[Joe Johnson]

I think people like, oh, you try. I'm not trying to take no shot at kd. I know they're not a better team without kd. I think some of those guys on that team think they play better without kd.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, that's the issue. They. Hey, it's some of them guys that are a lot more aggressive without kd. I mean, when you look at it un oo, they ain't have nobody with more than three assists tonight.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

The Rockets.

[Co-host/Analyst]

No, you know what I mean?

[Joe Johnson]

That's not who they are, Joe.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I know, cuz. Cuz it's such a young team. They not really sacrificing. You feel what I'm saying? It's like, boom, if I got it, I'm taking it. You feel me? It's like, yeah, my turn. Your turn. Like this. Really chemistry and continuity with those guys. Maybe because KD is out, you know, Van Fleek ain't playing. You don't have no veteran guys out there who can help lead this young team. And that's kind of what you've seen tonight. You know, it was guys just kind of one. One pass shot. You know, it wasn't really a good flow of chemistry between the guys tonight.

[Joe Johnson]

What guy on. Look at these guys. I think Thompson is available for a contract extension. You don't make no max dollars being an assist guy, right? Tari Eason, those guys, Jabari Smith, Joe, I'm trying to get money. KD gonna keep money out my pockets. You don't think those guys think of that?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oh, yeah, I know.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Bar Smith, you got Thompson, you got these young guys. They won't max contract because they sold guys in their back draft class and getting that.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hold on.

[Joe Johnson]

Didn't Paulo Bancaro just sign a max deal? Didn't Chet Holmgren just sign a max deal? Yeah, Jabari Smith said, what about me? Yeah, I ain't got no mag money yet. Y' all ain't got no money for me? Y' all ain't got nothing for your boy.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

And now Superhuman Shaq I keep telling

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[Joe Johnson]

y' all ain't gonna slide nothing on the floor. So KD scoring 26, 27. I ain't gonna really dag or really give me no money if I'm scoring 12, Joe. But with KDI, I bumped that up to 17, 18.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

See what I'm talking about and change everything, man.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, they ain't got no playmakers, though, Uncle Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, you heard what? You heard what Joe just said. They ain't got no playmakers, right?

[Joe Johnson]

They don't. They don't have a point guard.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hold on. Let's say KD not playing and you. And you bump them numbers up to 1718. Hell, it still look like fool's gold. That's all it is. It looked like fool's gold. You know, it's not, it's not, it's not real gold. It's gold plated. Because without kd, what everybody look like Joe and I. I mean, and I

[Co-host/Analyst]

mean no disrespect, not they, they, they don't look great consistently. They'll have nights, you know what I mean? Like in this series, they've had games to where they've looked, you know, pretty good, you know, but, but like I said, man, that's when they make shots. When they make shots, they look damn good.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, Joe, when you get a Mac contract, they pay you max dollars because

[Co-host/Analyst]

you what, you what, you elite at what you do.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

And you consistent. Damn near. You damn near consistent.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Jabari smith signed a five year, 122 million dollar rookie extension. This contract begins in 2022. Six season long term corp. Following a his four initial, four year 35.8 million. He looking at like, man, you see what Chad got chatted my class. Yeah, you see what Apollo, what Apollo sign is max extension.

[Co-host/Analyst]

It was about two something, wasn't it?

[Joe Johnson]

That's $118 million more on the same year.

[Co-host/Analyst]

What did check get two some

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

check got two something.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. He got the same thing as Paulo.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

And Ocho, you know, you, you know the receivers in your draft class, don't you?

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Johnson]

You know when they went to the Pro bowl, you're like, well, hold on. He done went to the Pro Bowl. I gotta get that too. Yeah, Paulo got Ban Cara done made the All Star team. Chad Hunger made the all star team. What you think? Jabari Smith. Thank you.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Okay, okay, I got you.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, I've been there. I know exactly what you're saying.

[Joe Johnson]

I know too.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, hey, that's why I tell you, look, when I was in Phoenix and I turned that 50 down, I seen Jason Richardson get 70, seen Gilbert Arenas, them signing these big deals. I'm like, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I got to get some of this here, you know? Hey, hey, look, I'm going balls to the wall, you hear me? Yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you mean.

[Joe Johnson]

Especially Joe. If you and Ocho, you feel that you're better than the guys that's getting that money. I remember all the receivers that came out. I'm better than him. Okay, you got that initial money. Gotcha, tight end. I played with some of them that ended up. I was like, bro, I was at the East West Shrine game with you. I was at the Blue Gray game with you. Bro, you not like that at all. I'm not hating. I'm looking. I'm looking at him like. So now I'm thinking it's kind of like you in a relationship. She chose him over you. What is it about him? I got meat for days, too. Okay? He ain't got no money. I ain't got no money. I'm 6, 2, 2, 25. He's 6, 1 2, 15. I got the baby arm. I don't know what he working with. I'm saying. So what is it? I funny. I tell jokes. I dress. I dress pretty good. Yeah. I got Ralph Lauren. I got Tommy Hill figure. I got Lee and Calvin Klein.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So what is it?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. Them guys getting money?

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

What is it? What. What are they doing that I can't, man. Please.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Right? Are you absolutely right. Hey, that's what.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

That's.

[Co-host/Analyst]

That's mainly, you know, I. I would say mainly in football, basketball. That's what these young dudes thinking, bro. They trying to contribute to where they can get a. A. A huge contract, you know? Do they want to win? Yeah, but at the same time, hell, I want to be. I want to be involved.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Joe, the boy worry about that money on Joe. But most of the time, you know, the boy get exposed when the time come to show up and you the focal point and you can prove you worth whatever those Mac Dollars are.

[Shaquille O'Neal (Health PSA)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Half of them don't show up to the party, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

But unlike. But see, like us, Ocho, once they. That five years, 122, that's guaranteed, he can drop down to four points a game. Yeah, he gonna get that money. All of it.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Paulo bankero got that five, 245.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Johnson]

He getting all of that?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

It ain't no. Well, he five. Where he got 100 million. No, no, no, no, no. That five for 245. Paulo Banchero is getting all of that.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

That's set in stone. No matter what.

[Joe Johnson]

All of that.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

No matter what.

[Joe Johnson]

No matter what.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Not letting. Do something. Agree. Now, obviously, anytime you're dealing with that kind of money, there are morality clauses in there, right? But as long as you. Hey, as long as you go play basketball and you don't run a foul, you gonna get up all that. Hey, and so, guys, and I'm looking at it, Ocho, I'm 22. So by the time I get up off this deal, guess what? I'm 26.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Been assigned another one.

[Joe Johnson]

They give me another deal, I'll be 30, and I'll be getting another deal.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

So we're gonna get another one.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, so think about it. By the time these guys 30, they could be done signed $600 million in contracts.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

30.

[Co-host/Analyst]

It's gonna be something that's gonna have that. Yeah, yeah. Ant Man.

[Joe Johnson]

Ant man go, come back, make all the NBA. Ant man can be the first guy to make 80 million a year. Oh,

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

80.

[Joe Johnson]

80 a year.

[Co-host/Analyst]

It's probably. Hey, it's probably gonna be more than that, considering his Adidas, his endorsements and all that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that's just on the court. We ain't talking about out the court.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So when you look at it, you look at it like that. Guys, sometimes in. Everybody says, sacrifice, sacrifice. But I don't want to be the one to have to sacrifice.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

Let him sacrifice. Hey, I. I need my. I need my numbers. You look, bro, you already got your money. You already got yours. You good?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You said, let me get my money. Then I think about sacrificing. I think about. I think about sacrificing once I get my bread.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

They're a young team. Do I think they're a better team without kd?

[Co-host/Analyst]

No, no.

[Joe Johnson]

But they play better because they're not standing around watching what Katie does. Their guys got. They kind of reverted back to what they were, but if you think about it, they stayed close to home. They didn't send help to double team Shingun, so not everybody stayed home. Now what do you do, guys? It's like, well, damn. No, son, you got to go set a screen. You got to go down to the basket or something.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You just can't stand there.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

He can't throw the ball through Rui. He can't throw the ball through Austin or. Or Smart or LeBron. You got to give him something.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. Hey, hey. You got to get a Lakers credit, though, because typically, Singoon always has more than one assist. Fellas, you know, they. They made him. They just. Hey, they told Aiden, guard him straight up. We gonna guard him. Because one thing you can't do is let him come out here and have, like, no triple double numbers.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You can live with 17, 11, right?

[Joe Johnson]

All day long.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Don't let him have no. 8. Don't let him have no.

[Co-host/Analyst]

10, 11 assists and hitting these guys cutting back door and all that. You can't let all that go on. I thought the Lakers did a great job, but, yeah, Houston got some work to do. They got some work.

[Joe Johnson]

They do.

[Co-host/Analyst]

They got some work to do. They need some guys to be available.

[Joe Johnson]

Look at the game that The Nuggets won't look at Jokic's assist total when they win.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Look at his assist totals when they don't.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Same thing with Shingoon. Now go ahead and score. If you could score 40. Bless your heart. Yeah, but what we're not going to do is send a double. And then here you are getting guys wide open. Look at threes and they're hitting. Nah, we're not gonna do that. We're not gonna do that.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

But you know what? Lakers moving on. I know what y' all talking about. Well, they ain't going no further. I don't know how far they gonna go, but I know they gonna play on Tuesday night.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

One team playing on Tuesday night. If your team not the Lakers, and they were playing against the Lakers in the first round, your season was officially over.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Is it?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I like the lights.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

They say that all good things must end.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, they're gonna be in for. Hey, they gonna be in for a golden boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, it's gonna be a great game. It's gonna be great. You know goat gonna be go.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, he gotta be.

[Joe Johnson]

LeBron 28 points, eight assists, seven rebounds. Next up, the defending champs with OKC Thunder on Tuesday. JJ on LeBron. To me, he's had the greatest career of any NBA player. Rick says the locker room making the goat bad noise for LeBron James after the game he said, hey, we had already know. Hello, guys are gonna be find some very interesting takes on this one. Yeah. According to Tim McMahon, after Kevin Durant's burner account was leaked during the All Star break, the Rockets team had a team meeting. And look, that was. There was a discussion had amongst the players and they moved.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

And now superhuman Shaq.

[Shaquille O'Neal (Health PSA)]

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[Joe Johnson]

As I. As what I was told. But like that part of kd, when I say there's been an emotional roller coaster with Katie this season, that's obviously a big part of it. Remember, he criticized Shingun, calling him a traffic cone who can't shoot or defend. Can't defend. Your franchise player. Can't shoot or defend. That's way bigger issue than my turnovers.

[Co-host/Analyst]

He said that on his burner account.

[Joe Johnson]

He said that on his burner account. Check this out. Jabari. Jabari Smith Jr said, I can't trust Jabari Smith Jr huh? This is what KD said about Jabari Smith. The burner account, allegedly his. A burner account that was leaked. This is what he allegedly said about Jabari Smith. A junior said, I can't trust Jabari. To me, a effing shot or get a stop. He's low key. The R word.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

R word.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes. He's slow.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

He also called the Rocket teammates crayon eaters. Allegedly.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

It ain't it.

[Joe Johnson]

So.

[Co-host/Analyst]

So hold on, hold on, hold on. Y' all think this bigger than this injury that he had? Meaning like he could potentially be moved. They can move on from. There's something.

[Joe Johnson]

I told you that yesterday. Y' all didn't want to hear me when I said that, but I ain't.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I ain't know. I. I didn't know the significance of all this. Like, I ain't know all this was going. I knew he had to burn the account, but I didn't know where he was. He was going at his teammates.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I knew the burner account was Be. Was to protect himself as well, you know, being that he couldn't answer certain things about himself. But I. I heard the thing about his. About his teammates as well, but. Ah, you. You think. You think he was really injured and maybe set out to prove a goddamn point?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Nah, he. I can't see him doing that.

[Joe Johnson]

I can't either.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I mean, we couldn't see him have. We couldn't see him having a burn account either. Talking about his teammates.

[Co-host/Analyst]

He's had one before, though.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Oo yeah, I remember you got in trouble with it before a while ago.

[Joe Johnson]

But I'm crayon eaters. If you eat crayons, what class are you in? I mean, you know what I'm saying? If you, if you eat crayons, what class are you in? Yeah, you're not playing with the regular students. You don't go to class with the regular students.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

It's about 10 to 12 of y' all in the classroom. I'm J. A. I'm just saying everybody, everybody knows. So if you don't, I promise you, if you didn't know what a crayon eater was, it was probably you.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

KD played game one.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, your grades. You didn't get letter grades. You got stars on your report card. They gave you two cookies and a carton of milk and you went back on your cot.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, Katie played. He played game one.

[Joe Johnson]

He played game. He played game one and two and three.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Nah, he gave.

[Joe Johnson]

He was out game three. He played game one and two. No, he played. No. So he played game two and three, right?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

He was out game one. Played games two and three.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And then miss four, five, six. So he missed four of the six games.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, probably. Hey, hey. I think he was hurt, but I definitely think he was. He'd been a little frustrated too, because they, you know, the, the. His duties was, you know, KD love who, bro, he. He a natural.

[Joe Johnson]

That's all he want to do. Don't ask him to do all the other things. That's not what. And that's okay. He didn't sign up for that. KD don't want to leave. No. Hey, hey, guys, let's have a team meeting. KD don't want to be that guy because. Hey, y' all come over to the crib or let's go. Do he want to hoop play basketball? Katie is a professional basketball player.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

That's all he wants to do. And I ain't got a problem with it.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. Hey. And not having a point guard. He had all them ball handling duties, so he played.

[Joe Johnson]

He only played in Game 2, Joe.

[Co-host/Analyst]

That was the only game he played in.

[Joe Johnson]

That was the only game he played

[Co-host/Analyst]

where he had 20 points in that first half.

[Joe Johnson]

Had 20 points in the first half. And I think he ended up with 23. End up having 23 in the second half.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I think, I think he was definitely frustrated, obviously, having the ball handling duties. Not really being able to get to his spots. Because you gotta understand, they had him flustered because they was trapping him every

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

time he came across, making him get

[Co-host/Analyst]

that ball, making him give the ball up. And he knew he wasn't giving it, he wasn't getting it back. And I think he got frustrated behind all that. But I do think he was injured, too, though.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. And here's the thing. And y' all can't make no shots to get these guys up off me.

[Co-host/Analyst]

There you go.

[Joe Johnson]

See, if you. Hey, Ocho, you get the double team. If I can throw the ball to somebody else and they start cooking, hey, then I got that. Now, y' all got to pay some attention to them, but because I ain't got nobody to help me lift this pressure up off me, they gonna double me all damn day. Yes.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

And now you wonder why he talking about you on his verna account, You know, and. No, no, no disrespect, you know, I'm just saying.

[Joe Johnson]

But like I said, look, he just strikes me as a guy. He's different. Everybody leads in a different way. Katie is a guy. Hey, watch how I put this work in.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Look at what I do on the court.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Look at what I do in the locker room as far as how I go about my business. I get my lift in, I get my stretch in, I go on the court. I handle that. That is leadership to him. Some people want a guy that's gonna, if things are going wrong, call a team meeting.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Some guy want to lead it. Hey, hey, Ocho Joe. Hey, let's get together. Hey, I tell you what. We gonna go xyz. Hey, we going to Cancun. We going to do this. Hey, man, let's have a. Hey, let's get together. Let's nightcap, fam. Let's get together. That's leadership to some. That ain't what Katie is right. You can't ask him to be something that he's not, because that's not the way he leads. He. He leads by example. Y' all see the work? Y' all see the prep work I put in?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Come watch me in the off season. Come to. Hey, come to where I am in off season. Let's get some work in. Let's go to this gym. Let's get some hooping up.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Absolutely.

[Joe Johnson]

That's how he wants to lead, right? Everybody can't lead like LeBron and Kobe. I mean, LeBron and Jordan, they a do it, or I will punch you your effing face.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, that's one way to go about it.

[Joe Johnson]

This was going on. When they run this right here. Be alert to X, Y and Z. Yeah. LeBron's a different type of lever than Kobe, than Jordan.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

Steph Curry is a different type of leader than LeBron, who's a different type of leader than KD.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So leadership comes in.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

All.

[Joe Johnson]

It all depends on what your team needs. Maybe. Maybe the team need Katie to be that. But that's not what he is. Based on his history, it would tell you he's not a guy that's gonna probably call a team meeting.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Right, right. I'm with you on this.

[Joe Johnson]

You gotta accept. Accept somebody as they are.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Not how you wish them to be.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Ladies and gentlemen, if you have guys, if you got a girl accepting how she is, if you got in the strip club, if you meet her and she was wearing risque clothing. Yes, sir. Scepter. How she is.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Now you want her to wear. Wear a dress down to it. She Amish. Now. You wanted to wear a pantsuit.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

When you weather. She had on lace.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, you know, the first thing that we do, you know, you get. You get somebody even if you met him, even if you meet him in certain conditions that aren't suitable for somebody that you want to spend the rest of your life with or you want to. You want to claim.

[Joe Johnson]

You feel.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

You feel you can save them, Joe?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

We put that cape on. We feel. I can. I can. I can work with this.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Nah, man, listen, listen.

[Joe Johnson]

You can save her from the situation where she ain't got to pay no bills, but that's who she is. She. That's what you gonna save her from. Yeah, but when she got that body, Joe. Okay, how did she get you?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Right? Hey, look, look. If you met her in the club, hell, don't get pissed off. Eight months from now, she's still going to the club.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, she want to be there.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. That's where you met her.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Come on, Joe.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. Dead ass. You know, you got cast, man. Who meet. Who meet people. It ain't just guys, but it's women too. You know, you meet somebody in the club and then eight months, 10 months later, a year later, you pissed off. Because they keep going to the club. Well, hell, that's where you met them at.

[Joe Johnson]

Or they keep going out, period.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Why you still going out? Why you feel you. What you mean? Oh, you thought that was gonna stop because I met you? Is that what you stop? Right? I tell you what. Get you a. Get you a pet boa. Get your reticulated python, a rock python, an anaconda. If you keep him in captivity, does he still not need to eat rats, rabbits? He doesn't change because you changed his environment. It is what it is.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

All about understanding that carnivores still eat

[Joe Johnson]

meat, whether they in the wild or they in a zoo.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Seals, whether they're in the wild, they still go eat fish.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm confused why you get somebody out of that environment and want them to change. There have been times that this. Look, there's not a 1000%. Some people are willing to change. Some people like, hey, if he come get me, he. She come get me out of this. Yeah, I'm gonna change.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

But I should. I don't want you to be mad if he or she doesn't. And I think that's what a problem is. So if you want KD to lead the team meetings, you should have probably left him where he was.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

If you want somebody to show the young guys how to do it, how he's been able to stay elite for two decades, that's your guy.

[Co-host/Analyst]

There you go. Yeah, that's your guy. Hey, be the first. First. First guy in the gym putting that work in. When them young dudes come in, you see him working his ass off. That's how he gonna lead. And he the last one to lead. You feel what I'm saying?

[Joe Johnson]

So, Joe, let me ask you this, though. Oh, Joe. And I want you to chime in also.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Johnson]

One of your teammates, Carson, man. Ocho slow.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

He.

[Co-host/Analyst]

He.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe. One of your teammates, man. Man, Joe a ball hog. Man. Joe ain't passing. Joe worried about Joe. Worried about Joe.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Joe won't get you 20, but the guy he guard gonna get you 24. How does the locker room come back from that? Ocho, I go to you first.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I said, for me, burn the account. Carson saying I'm slow. I'm a. I'm telling. Oh, this is how you feeling? But it's something you could have just, you know, you could have said to me personally. You had to, you know, go that route. But this Sunday, I'm gonna show you what slow is. See, that's the only way I could fight back.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

That's the only way I could fire back. Because now you. You discrediting my game and. And how you feel, you know, I'm not as value or an asset to what I do. I'm getting paid millions of dollars to play a sport.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

And you take a shot at my craft oh, he's slow. Okay, I'mma show you. I don't give a if you are the quarterback. I'm, I'm sorry, my bad, my bad. But, yeah, I'mma show you. I, I, I like that challenge, Joe. That's how I take it. Now, maybe his teammates might not take it that way, but my mentality is a little different.

[Joe Johnson]

But is that, Is that OO in year five or six? Or is that OO in year one or two?

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Oh, that's OO year five and six.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. One and two. I'm snapping, Joe. I mean, I'm snapping, man.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, Green.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah, I'm snapping.

[Joe Johnson]

Boy.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I'm. Talk about OO yet. Matter of fact, not even year one to two, year four and on.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Oh, are you challenging me? Okay, bet. Let me, I'mma show you, Joe, how

[Joe Johnson]

you handle that situation, man.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, it's, it's, it's tough because, you know, you, like you said, you got guys who lead in many different forms and facets. You know what I mean? And if you a guy who are labeled a ball hog and you don't play no damn defense. Yeah. It's. At some point they're gonna have to get rid of you because the team ain't following your lead, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

Correct.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

So it'll be a, it'll be a huge division there. And hey, look, the one thing that I've always known on, on good teams that I've played on, bro, are that guys who really enjoy playing with each other and they hang out outside of just the court.

[Joe Johnson]

Exactly.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Off the court. You know, when you don't hang out with your teammates, bro, it tells them a lot. Yes, it tells them a lot. It tells them to hell that you don't fuck with them, that you don't mess with them. My bad. That you don't mess with them.

[Shaquille O'Neal (Health PSA)]

So.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I understand exactly what you. I understand exactly what you're saying. And for me, I've always kept it in perspective and in my professional career. Cause even as a young guy, Uncle Ocho, like, when I played on veteran teams, man, them dudes always invited us out. We all hung out while I was in Boston playing with Tuan and Paul. Whether I was in Phoenix playing with Steve Nash, Sean Marion, Amari, Stoudemire, and when I got here to Atlanta, I tried to do the same, you know what I'm saying? We didn't just hang out when we was at practice.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Co-host/Analyst]

We did a lot of stuff outside of the gym. Going on, each. Going over each other's house, playing games, going out, hanging out, going out to eat, doing things like that. So I. I definitely understand what you're saying. I think it helps. It helps the relationship when you build off the court. It helps the relationship on the court.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I totally agree. When I was in Denver, I was like, look, I got my mom, I got my sister in town, I got people in town. We win. Let's go get something to eat.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Because it's like I said, hey, we're going to get something to eat. So, hey, we called head. Hey, we got 25. We got 30 people coming.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Even sometimes I. Hey, they got people coming in. They're like shot, man. Hey, I know you ain't got nobody because a lot of time I was by my damn self. I come hang out with you all.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, get some jokes in.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

It was in Baltimore, you know, it was me, Ray, Rod Woodson, Corey. Corey Harris. A lot of times it was Jamal. Yeah. So we were. Hey, we did. We did things together. We go over to Ray house. Buffy, Ray's mom would cook.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Go to dc, Hang out. They're like, man, come on. I said, man, come on, man, come on. Come on, man. So they got. They got me out.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So, you know, but it's, it's a part of it. And sometimes to build a team, you got to do. Sometimes you have to do things that you don't really want to do.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Absolutely.

[Joe Johnson]

Show that you're not above them.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

That you are part of them. And it all goes to winning. We wanted. We were really, really close, guys. I'm talking about really, really, really close.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

We went to movies together. We. We had bowling week. Hey. And even Mike, we have bowling as a team. Offense versus the defense.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

We'd have gambling at Mike's house. Mike would have. Mike would have real life. We'd have poker tables, we'd have blackjack tables. We'd have crap tables.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes. And so you got there. Everybody got like 10 got like paper money. Whoever won the mo had the most money. You got jewelry, you got necklaces, necklace. Or you gotta. He had a deal with a jury stove.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So you had the most money. You get a gift card in the night, you could go buy a five thousand, get a five thousand dollar necklace or ten thousand dollar ring or something like that. That's how Mike had it.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

We did a lot of stuff together and I think that is very, very important. It's very conducive to winning. About to winning.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. The team bonding, team building.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, it helps. It goes a long way. And when you look at the top echelon teams in pro sports, that's typically what you have, bro. You pretty much had that. I mean, outside of probably who Kobe, when he played for the Lakers. Cause he ain't really hang with nobody like that.

[Joe Johnson]

No.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You know what I mean? But outside of that, for real, like, guys really. They really, really hung out with each other. They really mess with each other like that.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, he really went on that friendly stuff, huh? Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

He won't keep. Hey, he will always want to one up. You have an edge on you. You know what I mean? Know your weaknesses. But you, you. He wants you to know he is tight. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how he was.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes. But everybody. But, but, but let everybody tell it here. With Kobe, with their best friend right after he could no longer be the Kobe that he once was. He became your best friend.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Jordan was different. Jordan take you out to golf, keep you out on the golf course. You play 36 holes, keep you up all night playing, playing poker, playing all kind of card games.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And drop a hundred on your head. How he do that?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, everybody tell the story. They don't know how he was able to play. Like he played on two hours of sleep.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Three hours of sleep.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, you remember he go play golf.

[Joe Johnson]

He go play 18, 36 hole and come give you 40 the same day that he played 18 to 36 hole. How in the hell this man gave us 40?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

That's crazy.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. Hey, you remember when Pat Riley was coaching the Knicks Arkin Ocho. And he was saying that Jordan was buttering up his teammates. I mean, hit the opponents, you know, so they weren't. So they.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Pat, let's go out.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Co-host/Analyst]

He butter them up so they wouldn't play as hard again. So he come out here and tear their heart out. You know what I mean?

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah, man.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I think that's. That's the kind of guy MJ was too. Okay. Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You know what I mean? Smiling face. Hey, what's up, baby? How you doing? How the family doing? Y' all like everybody good? Tell your mama said hello, man. Hey, did he come out there and give you 50?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but I was like. Like when guys come to town, Joe. I don't know if you did. I ain't pick nobody up. Up.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Nah, I ain't either, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

Nope. I see you at the game. Hey, man, how you doing, Shop. I thought. No, you didn't think that.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I ain't talking to you and tell y' all gonna come scoop you from the hotel. Hey, and I was even went on the road. I didn't go out of the whole. I didn't leave my hotel.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I remember them days.

[Joe Johnson]

We only got like two hours. What the hell we gonna do by the time you come pick me up? We get the point a. By the time, it's already time to get back.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

They ain't giving us no time like. Like y' all got Joe. Y' all get in the night before and stuff like that. We do that. We getting in 3:30. We get. We gonna probably land. 3:30, 4:00 clock. By the time we get our dip plane, get to the bus. They load the buses up, get to the hotel, it's 5:30. Got me at 7:00'. Clock.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, hey, any.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Anytime I had, you know, homeboys come in town, you know, is about maybe, but we did maybe two, three games a year. We always put. They always pick the games based on the schedule on who we playing. The better the team or we all coming.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Talking about. I'm talking about 30, sometime 40 dudes.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

And I had. And I had everything. Now, you know, I'm gonna have my people get the flights, your hotels and rental cars everything taken care of is 3. 3 to 4. 2 to 4 people to a car.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Everything's straight.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

So I know you in town. I'm not gonna see you when y' all get here Friday. I'm not gonna see you Saturday after that game when.

[Joe Johnson]

That game.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

When the game going on.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I come out that tunnel when I look in the family section.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I'm gonna see all them boys out the alley, all them boys at the pound. Everybody at the Liberty City.

[Joe Johnson]

That's different. Now, hold on. When the homeboy went bucket.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Big cow. Oh, yeah. Hey, we went out Friday night.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Oh, you. You went out.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You went out, you know, play on Sunday?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Oh, no, no.

[Joe Johnson]

He told me to get off my feet come Saturday. He didn't say nothing about Friday. Hey, and I wasn't on my feet, trust me. Hey, listen, I can't say the same. I was off my feet. I was.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, in basketball, bro, in basketball, there's nights that we get in a different city. It may be 12:30 at night. Oh, yeah. Oh, guys stepping out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, no, no, no.

[Shaquille O'Neal (Health PSA)]

I'm going.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, look, we Stepping out. Hey, look, we can have. We could have a day in between, or we could be playing the next day. Dudes will still go out. Uncle Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, no.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, because look, especially on day, on games, you have back to backs. You may not have shoot around that morning. So we may just meet. We just make the bus may be at 4 o' clock in the evening. So you got the whole day to kind of rest. Oh, yeah, there's plenty of loopholes in there.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, no. Y' all know, like I said, bucket with a bucket or big cow come this like, look, man, my. Look, I know my family was coming early. Cause they don't do it with that cold, right? Baltimore. I had a box. Me and Ray share the box there

[Co-host/Analyst]

to share the suite.

[Joe Johnson]

So they come anytime. And they came early. And then when I was getting ready to break the record, they came back later. They was in the box. Everything was cool. But my mom, my sister, them, the kids, they coming early because my mom and my sister. My mom would do it. My mom would come because she would go see my brother play in November, December, yeah, Chicago.

[Co-host/Analyst]

She.

[Joe Johnson]

It was easy for her to drive to Green Bay, but my sister. Okay, now who we play? We could play Tampa Bay. And Tampa Bay was terrible. Cincinnati, my sister coming the first two weeks, those first two home games. Yeah, preferably we had two games back to back. Because my sister would come in on that Friday. She would stay all the way through and yeah, she would leave that Monday. So she'd shoot two games. That's it. My mom, kids, every once in a while, like the kids, my girlfriend would go pick them. Because back then, you know, you could. The parents could walk the kids down, you know, be at the gate and stuff like that. It was cool. Yeah, kids come to kids didn't matter. Kids didn't care nothing about no cold weather. Kids ain't know nothing about it. But you know, my sister like, nah, hey, I go get them in September. Big sis ain't coming out there in November. December, yeah. So I said I sent my girlfriend on that mission. Go Brand key. All right, go. Kayla would come, but nice. It's just a different scenario now. So I think there's a greater chance KD is not on Houston next year that he is.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Do you really? I don't think that fellas,

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

after that joke, that. That's hard. That's hard. You know, how do you. How do you come back and knowing how somebody really feel about you?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Man, listen. Houston trying to win. They ain't studying that. They want to Win. And they know, Katie a bucket. Now, if they had them a decent point guard this year, hell, who knows what could have happened this series, you know what I mean? And I think that's how they gonna look at it. You know, despite. Despite what everybody may think about kd, the one thing Houston know is that he loves playing the game of basketball.

[Joe Johnson]

He loved the game of everybody there. There. There's never been a debate about his devotion and desire to the game of basketball.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah. Look, hey, hey, look. He ain't got no kids, Uncle Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Faulty ain't got no kids. No distractions, that boy.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Look, hey, he love the game, bro. He married to the game.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah, that we don't know of.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, bro, when you made that kind of money, you know about him.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Trust me. Unless he got. Unless. Unless he got a real one. He got. He got to have a real, real one.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. You know, you got another. You got.

[Joe Johnson]

You got.

[Ocho Cinco Johnson]

You got enough zeros. They all real.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Sometimes they don't like being in the shadow. They like being. You know what I'm saying? Don't. Yo.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah.

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Everybody knows Shaq, but off camera, he's

[Joe Johnson]

just a regular guy.

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