Nightcap Hour 1: Michigan WINS NATIONAL TITLE over UCONN + North Carolina HIRES Mike Malone as Head Coach + Knicks BEAT Hawks in THRILLER

Summary

Nightcap Hour 1 – April 7, 2026

Podcast: Nightcap (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)
Episode Theme: Instant Reactions: Michigan's National Title Win over UConn, North Carolina Hiring Mike Malone, Knicks Beat Hawks in NBA Thriller
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (Uncle Ocho), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, Joe “Iso Joe” Johnson

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers immediate, unfiltered takes from Shannon Sharpe, Chad Johnson, and Joe Johnson on the night’s biggest sports stories. The focus is on Michigan's gritty victory over UConn for the NCAA men's basketball national championship, North Carolina's headline-grabbing hire of Mike Malone as head basketball coach, and an NBA showdown where the New York Knicks snapped the Atlanta Hawks’ 13-game home win streak in dramatic fashion.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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Michigan Wins National Title over UConn (04:13–23:49)

Defensive Masterclass and Gritty Play

• Michigan defeats UConn 69-63, capturing their first national title since 1989.
• Game was defined by stifling defense from both teams, leading to poor shooting percentages but compelling play for basketball purists.
  • "It was an ugly game on Kelsey. I ain't gonna lie. It was an ugly game. But the defense that Michigan played… they scored easy buckets off… their defense thriving and getting out in transition." — Joe Johnson (09:20)
• Michigan showed resilience against UConn’s physicality, especially rebounding—a concern late in the second half as UConn made a push.

Key Players and Coaching Hats Off

• Big Mara and Elliott were difference-makers: Mara disrupted UConn's big men, Elliott controlled tempo and attacked, drawing fouls and creating opportunities.
  • "Big Mara down there in the paint, yeah, he gave Reed problems tonight… Michigan got great bigs and they got good point guard play tonight from Elliott, which I thought that's what got them over the hump." — Joe Johnson (09:20)
• Starting 5 constructed almost entirely via transfer portal—a nod to new head coach Dusty May's mastery of modern roster management.

Game Flow & Turning Points

• Both teams struggled from the field: Michigan shot just 38% (13% from three), UConn 31% overall.
  • "Nothing is easy. You're going to get contested at the rim because if you think you're going to get layups, you got another thing coming." — Uncle Ocho (10:54)
• Michigan’s outstanding free throw shooting (25/28) proved crucial.
• Game’s last moments underscored Michigan’s composure:
  • "For him not to throw it, I was like wow. For him to hold that ball and get fouled again, I'm like, sh. If I just missed two free throws, it ain't a lot of cats who gonna want to go back to that line." — Joe Johnson (13:55)

Referee Performance Praised

• Consensus: Officials let players decide the outcome, kept whistles away from minor contact, maintained flow.
  • "I thought he let the kids determine the outcome of the ball game. And in a game of this magnitude, that's all you could ask for." — Uncle Ocho (14:11)

Transfer Portal, NIL, and the Future

• Michigan’s use of transfers becomes a blueprint as experienced players trump one-and-done freshmen.
• Discussion on which players from the championship might be NBA first-rounders: Lindenberg, Mara, Johnson Jr.
  • "You can't teach height. Mara at 7'3"... he can help any team in the league." — Joe Johnson (19:00)
• Outstanding Player: Curious debate, but Elliott Cadeau ultimately named tourney’s Most Outstanding Player (23:13).
• NIL (Name/Image/Likeness) is changing priorities for college stars, allowing them to earn substantial money before the NBA.

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North Carolina Hires Mike Malone as Head Coach (29:04–41:23)

Breaking with Tradition

• North Carolina chooses NBA veteran coach and champion Mike Malone—breaking their history of hiring from within the extended "Carolina family."
  • "Malone's reputation as a coach is high in NBA circles. And having the respect of UNC legends Michael Jordan and Roy Williams played a role in the hire." — Uncle Ocho (29:04)
• His NBA pedigree & tactical reputation seen as both an asset and, per Ochocinco, only part of the equation in the new era.

NIL, Portal & 'Paying to Win'

• It’s all about the “bag” (NIL money) and roster-building through transfers.
  • "You got to pay to play. You got to pay to win... Just because you hired Mike Malone doesn’t mean you’re gonna have success." — Liberty City Zone Bingo (32:24)
• With the NCAA transfer portal opened the next day, timing the hire was critical:
  • "You gotta have a coach on hand when the portal opens. You can't wait." — Uncle Ocho (31:34)
• Older, experienced portal players believed to have the edge over incoming freshmen; coaching is now as much about acquisition and management as game prep.
  • "With Mike Malone at the helm, Uncle Ocho, I'm sure he gonna be looking forward to bringing in some great talent, putting, you know, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, back on the map for sure." — Joe Johnson (35:29)

Modern College Basketball: A Big Business

• Lively discussion on the business side, with experienced transfer players prioritized for their maturity and readiness.
  • "I don't have to hope you go to class, hope you hit study hall... that guy's already done that." — Uncle Ocho (38:01)
• The gap between traditional blue bloods and schools with deep-pocketed boosters is shrinking. Coaches have more options; loyalty or tradition carry less weight in this landscape.

Humorous Note

• Malone’s daughter is a volleyball player at UNC, leading to good-natured jokes about scholarships and family perks.

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Knicks Beat Hawks in NBA Thriller (45:55–65:03)

Game Recap & Key Players

• Knicks 108, Hawks 105: Jalen Brunson drops 30 points (17 in the 4th), 13 assists, and triggers MVP chants in Atlanta—spoiling the Hawks' lengthy home win streak.
  • "You know when we play the Knicks and Lakers out here, man, be more Knicks fans and Lakers fans than it be Hawks fans in the building. I seen so much, so much blue and orange. It disgusted me tonight." — Joe Johnson (46:27)
• Carl-Anthony Towns (KAT) delivers a big double-double; Nikhil Alexander-Walker heats up for 36 points.
• Discussed the impact of home crowd splits and tension between transplants/fans in Atlanta.

"Usage Rate" & Star-Dominant Offenses

• In-depth debate about how players like Jalen Brunson and James Harden needed to leave roles with other stars to fully unlock their potential.”
  • "The James Harden that we know... he's not doing that with Russ and KD because his usage rates were going to be too low in OKC. His usage rate was so high in Houston, he had to ball every chance, every time down court." — Joe Johnson (50:09)
• Hosts disagree with legends like Tracy McGrady, arguing that opportunity (not just talent) breeds superstars.
• Relating this to Brunson: Wouldn’t have become the player he is staying in Dallas behind Luka.

Knicks’ Fourth-Quarter Deep Dive

• Brunson’s clutch: scored 17 in the final quarter.
• Bench struggle for Atlanta: Lack of scoring outside starters noted.
• Atlanta’s need for more aggressive play from young leader Jalen Johnson, especially down the stretch.
  • "He has to demand the ball more. He has to be more aggressive, and he'll figure that part out." — Joe Johnson (55:22)
• Tactical discussion about going small vs. rebounding risk with big Knicks front line.

"Getting Your Guys Going"

• The segment closes with crossover metaphors to football: Sharpe and Ocho recall how important it is for stars to “feel the ball” early—whether wide receivers or volume shooters.
  • "You just wanna feel like you're a part of the game." — Joe Johnson (73:15)

Salaries, Changing Offenses & NFL Talk

• Wide-ranging banter about the changing nature of offensive roles, WR/tight end usage, and how much NFL receiver salaries have ballooned with the league’s shift to a pass-first mentality.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

Michigan's Win

• "Michigan did an unbelievable job. Congratulations to the Wolverines. Lindenberg said, hey, we think we the best team. I think they got a case." — Uncle Ocho (16:49)
• "Shout out to Michigan and shout out to Connecticut, as well, man. I thought they came ready to play, but Michigan just was too overwhelming." — Joe Johnson (12:50)

NIL and the Portal

• "Y' all keep that student athlete bull job. I'm an athlete that happened to be. Have to be a student." — Uncle Ocho (34:28)
• "Now thinking just because it's North Carolina, thinking just because we have the Jordan brand, thinking just because we... hired Mike Malone, you know, who's well respected in the circles in the NBA. That's not gonna cut it." — Liberty City Zone Bingo (36:23)

NBA: Usage Rate & Star Roles

• "His highest in OKC was 10 [shots per game]. So he went from 10, he averaged 15 more shots. Because why? He's the guy." — Uncle Ocho (51:43)
• "I don't believe they can beat Boston." — Uncle Ocho, predicting the Knicks’ playoff fate (54:36)

On Clutch Play

• "When you got the ultimate confidence from your teammates, your coaches in those moments... the last thing you want to do is let your teammates and coaching staff down, bro, because they believe in you so much." — Joe Johnson (62:54)

Football x Basketball Parallels

• "It's the worst feeling in the world, Joe, and what make it even worse, is if you go through practice all week and they got stuff game planned for you... The team you playing, make sure when those plays are called where you know it's coming to you... it's a rap, man." — Liberty City Zone Bingo (66:52)
• "You just wanna feel like you're a part of the game." — Joe Johnson (73:15)

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Important Timestamps

• 04:13 – Show proper begins; Michigan's win first headline
• 06:27 – Joe Johnson joins for instant reaction
• 09:20 – Deep dive into Michigan’s defense & game flow
• 14:11 – Referee performance and officiating discussion
• 19:00 – Transfer portal, NIL, and draft prospects
• 23:13 – Most Outstanding Player of tournament announced (Elliott Cadeau)
• 29:04 – North Carolina hiring Mike Malone; tradition vs. change
• 31:34 – Transfer portal impact discussed
• 32:24 – “Pay to play” as the modern recruiting mantra
• 35:29 – Mike Malone’s future as a recruiter
• 45:55 – Knicks-Hawks NBA recap begins
• 46:27 – Joe rants about Knicks fans in Atlanta
• 50:09 – James Harden "usage rate" and superstardom
• 54:36 – Playoff predictions and realities
• 55:22 – Needed growth from Jalen Johnson
• 62:54 – Importance of confidence and being “the guy” in the clutch
• 73:15 – Athletes needing involvement to thrive in-game

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Summary Takeaway

This energetic Nightcap episode delivers deep, timely analysis and behind-the-scenes player perspective on three major sports stories. The hosts spotlight Michigan’s defense-first championship, explore how NIL/portal shake-ups are rewriting college coaching and recruiting (with Mike Malone’s hiring as proof), and break down the nuances of NBA stardom through the lens of the Knicks-Hawks showdown. Throughout, the legendary hosts infuse humor, sharp anecdotes, and hard-earned wisdom—making it a must-listen for sports fans seeking insight beyond the box score.

Transcript

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[Joe Johnson]

Man, Michigan is a, a great defensive team, Uncle Ocho, and they, and they showed it tonight. Big Mara down there in the paint. Yeah, he gave Reed problems tonight. Re averaging. Excuse me. Reed was averaging a double double, like 20 and 11, something like that. It's just the length that he possessed, obviously his offensive paralysis that he has. And he's a great pick and roll. Michigan got a, they got good bigs. They had, they got great bigs and they got good point guard play tonight from Elliott, which I thought that's what got him over the hump. I thought Elliott being aggressive, getting in the paint, getting in the teeth of their defense, causing havoc, keeping guys in foul trouble and throwing lobs to the big fellas look, neither team shot great tonight. It was an ugly game on Kelsey. I ain't gonna lie. It was an ugly game. But the defense that Michigan play, man, they. They. They score easy buckets off of, you know, their defense thriving and. And getting out in transition, getting easy baskets, and they got guys who don't been there. I think this is. This is a great win for Michigan considering the fact that I think all these guys, all the starting five, come out the transfer portal. Okay, Ojo. Yeah. These guys ain't been to Michigan. This. This was their first year. So kudos to their coach, man, for. For getting these guys together and playing championship basketball. It was fun to watch, but this was. This was a defensive game tonight.

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Yeah, I think. I think Joe, I think. And O. I'm gonna turn over to you. I think we can both agree, I think everybody agree that both of these teams play outstanding defense.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

They get up into you, they contest shots. Nothing is easy. You're going to get contested at the rim because if you think you're going to get layups, you got another thing coming. And I think that had a lot to do with the one. Yukon shooting 31%. Michigan shooting 38% from the floor. Michigan. Michigan shooting 13% from the three. Yukon shooting 27% from the three. And I think that has a lot to do because there were not a. A whole lot of open looks and even layups were getting contested. I thought. I thought the refs did a great job of letting him play also. OO Go ahead.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

OO Now, I was gonna say the refs did a great job of letting them play. Obviously, like Joe said, it was a very, very ugly game. Neither team shot the ball well. Neither team shot the ball well, Joe. But defensively, defensively, UConn played. Played defense well. Michigan played defense well. But when points had. Needed to be had at the time, they need to be made. Yeah, Michigan came out on the winning end. Towards the end of the game, I thought UConn might. Might get that UConn magic again and somehow come back and. And maybe make it a little bit closer, maybe have an opportunity to win. But Michigan held on, Held on towards the end. I mean, it was an enjoyable game for me watching it. It was kind of ugly, but it. But it was exciting. I guess if you're a basketball purist, especially a college basketball purist, this is the game that you could enjoy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I'm going to be honest with y'.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

All.

[Joe Johnson]

I never thought UConn was going to win the game. You know, from. From the second half, I just thought Michigan experience that they have a lot of juniors and seniors. They had one freshman come off the bench, which was McKinney, but for the most part, man, they controlled the whole game against. They got what they wanted. If they wanted to get in the paint and make a play, they did that. They crashed the glass. I just thought collectively, you know, they. Everybody stepped up. Their best player, Lindbergh, he didn't, you know, he didn't play great, but he played great enough for him to win. You know what I mean?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

He had 13, huh? He had 13 points. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Due to the injury that he's dealing with, that mcl. For him to come out and play, like, if this was regular season, he probably would have set out. So probably, you know, they showed a lot of toughness tonight, man. They. I mean, this was a great win for them. Shout out to Michigan and shout out to Connecticut, as well, man. I thought, you know, I thought they came ready to play, but for the most part, Michigan just was too overwhelming for them.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

The thing that started concerning me Oo and Joe is that UConn started crashing the glass in the second half. They started getting second chance points. And I'm like, damn, Michigan, y' all right there. You got three guys right there. And somehow the ball. Yukon guy has the ball and he lays it back in. So I started to get a little concerned about the second chance points as Yukon started to get those re offensive rebounds. But. And again, they had this nine point lead. The next thing you know, it's a four point lead. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my good. And if you notice, Michigan had a guy deep. Guys like, I ain't throwing that ball.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Damn. Y' all tie me up, y' all get a five. But I am not throwing this ball. I learned my lesson last time. The last thing I want to do is to have that thing tip. He had two guys back there. He did. I ain't throwing this ball. I am not.

[Joe Johnson]

And the funny thing is he had just missed two free throws. He did, yeah. So for him not to throw it, I was like, wow. For him to hold that ball and get fouled again, I'm like, sh. I probably would have got up off that day. I just made two. If I just missed two free throws, it ain't a lot of cats who gonna want to go back to that line.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Nah, nah, you. You're absolutely right about that. And then heads up flat at the very end. He got the rebound at the end and threw it down and said, by the time y' all hustle this down, the clock gonna be over with. So don't even worry about it. Don't. Don't even waste your time trying to bring it back up. But this was. This was. This is what we expected to see. I'm glad we saw this. I was like, man, please don't let us see what we saw yesterday in the women's game, where we get a ucla, South Carolina, we get a blowout. I said, that's the last thing that we need to see. And so I was glad that we're able to see a very intense, very well played. The officials had no bearing on the ball game because you always worry about that people having. Well, the official called this call, and you see a file here and everybody slowing it down. I thought the game was officiated very well. The game was officiated very well. I thought he let the kids determine the outcome of the ball game. And in a game of this magnitude, that's all you could ask for. Let the combatants on the field determine the outcome of the game. Now, I understand that there. Sometimes they're going to be a foul, they're going to be things, and you got to call it, because a lot of times. Oh, you and I were on there when we had the.

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The.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

The Kansas City Eagles game.

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Yes, sir.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

And Bradford held it. Yeah, Bradford is in the locker room telling y' all I held him. I was hoping they wouldn't call it, though. No, he. He said it. The official, even the referee came out in the pool. He said, hey, the guy went in, and as juju was trying to uncover back, he tugged his jersey and the back judge saw. He saw it. Yeah, caught it. So I like this. You know, sometimes calls have to be made in crucial junctures of the game.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

And everybody's like, well, swallow your whistle. But you can't swallow. It's. It's too important. You can't. That was too obvious, too egregious of a play to swallow it. But in this game right here, I thought he. They let the kids play, and. And Michigan kids played a little bit better than Yukon. I agree. I agree.

[Joe Johnson]

I like that the officials let those guys play. It was a physical game. A lot of missed shots, which calls for a lot of, you know, bodies falling, hitting the ground. I'm glad. I'm glad the rest kept their composure, man. And really, it really didn't dictate the game. I agree with you. It was. It was a great game to watch, man.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

And if you think about it. If you think about it, Guys, Michigan was extremely aggressive. They shot 28 free throw attempts.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

And they, they, they cash. They were 25 or 23. So prior to the guy missing two, Joe, they had only missed one free throw.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yeah. You see guys, five or five, eight. Two for two. Eight or nine. Four for four.

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Four for four.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Two for four. So you get, that's what you, that's what. When the clock is stopped, I gotta cash into these. Yeah, I gotta get those, I gotta get those points.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

And Michigan did an unbelievable job. Congratulations to the Wolverines. Lindenberg said, hey, we think we the best team. I think they got a case. He showed a very compelling case.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

To say they're the greatest Michigan team that came through the University of Michigan. I understand the first team won and Glenn Rice and Terry Mills, Sean Higgins, Ramil Robinson. But what this team was able to do, 37 and 3. And who they beat along the way, they beat number one Michigan. They beat, excuse me, they beat number one Arizona. They beat UConn who had won two of the three last national championships. They were just unbelievable throughout the tourney and a very, a very hard fought win that they earned and they are your national championship. The University of Michigan reigns supreme of men's college basketball. 69, 63 over the UConn Huskies. The Husky was trying to do something that only Coach Wooden can say he's done. Yeah, that's when three championships in four years. Maybe Coach Rupp done it in the 40s, but no modern coach. When you look at, when you look at Coach K, you look at Coach Smith and Roy Williams and Bobby Knight and there have been some really, really good college coaches along the way. Billy Donovan, none of these guys could have said they won three championships in a four year span. And Michigan took down a very, very heady team. They're led by, you know, a bunch of seniors. They do a coach early does a great job of coaching these guys. They play, they're well conditioned, they trap, they get up into people. But tonight belong. Belong to the Michigan Wolverines. Check this stat out, Joe. Michigan scored 61 or the of their 69 points either in the paint or from the free throw line.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Joe, was that. Look at that Michigan team, right? With most of those players coming out the portal coming from other schools. Who do you see that might any lottery picks in there? What you think that can make a difference at the next level?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they got, they got. I don't know if they gonna be lottery picks, Ocho, but they got some first rounders. In here.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Meaning, like Lindenberg probably be a lot late. Lottery Lindenberg?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, Mara at 7:3. You can't teach height.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He going.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, you can't teach height. He can help any team in the league. I mean, with that presence. And he ain't really no big stiff on the block. He got a few moves.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

No, he move.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but defensively, yeah, I've seen him. I seen him switching on the pick and roll, guarding guards. But defensively, he's gonna. He can help anybody. Man, they. You right, Ocho. They got some. They got some. They got some first round picks.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yeah, if you think about it, Ocho, remember we was on the car when they had big edie at Purdue. 7 4.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

He's more agile than Edie Joe. In the mock draft, they got Lindenberg going 13 to the Heat. They got Mara going 23rd to the Hawks.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, okay. All right. All right, Mara, we. We might can do something with you down here in the ATL. What?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

And Johnson Jr going 27th to the Celtics.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, look, this.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

This.

[Joe Johnson]

This game, though, I ain't gonna lie. It was an ugly game. Cause. Cause for Michigan to shoot 13% from the 3 and 38% from the field, man, it's hard to win games like that. But when you. When you sitting in that chair and you shot blocking, you defending, and you making the game ugly. And. And UConn shot 32%, 28 from three. Hey, this. This. This. This ball game could have went either way, but, yes, I feel like Yukon never. They never caught a rhythm. They never got. They shooters. They shooters never caught a rhythm.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

If you.

[Joe Johnson]

If y' all really watch this game, you'll see how Michigan switched everything.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Switch everything.

[Joe Johnson]

I seen Mara out there guarding Mullins one time, way out there on the perimeter.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

As soon as they come, as soon as they try to hit us with a slip, the guy's already pointing. Go. Don't even work. Don't even worry about it. Go.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, that's why we watch film. We. We know everything they gonna do. They like to run these back, These back picks, these slips. Yeah, man, we ain't giving these dudes nothing. We already know the game plan. We gonna be out there before you even get out there. So I thought it was a great game plan by Michigan, man. Them dudes came to play, they understood what was at stake. And Michigan national champs, bro.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yep. The Wolverines 36. Point paint.

[Joe Johnson]

Paint point.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Paints were the Most allowed by UConn all tournament long. Damn, that's A big team, man. You got 7, 3 Mar. You got Lindenberg, you got guys, the

[Joe Johnson]

a. I like Johnson too.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

I like Johnson too. Johnson played great.

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[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

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[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

They had a lot of guys step up and play big, score some big baskets, played great defense. I thought they were really in tune tonight.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yeah. I thought mar. Early on, Joe, he was on the, he was on the right block. He was spinning towards the baseline, throwing with the left. I said, if you want that shot, go to the other side and spin to the baseline and throw it with your right.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

So that's what, that's the only thing I was like, bro, that's twice that you had that shot point blank and you've missed it. Go to the other side.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

And throw it with your dominant hand.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Unless you. Jokic. Jokic is really the only guy that can consistently throw that shot, that little soft baby hook because his touch is so phenomenal. He might have some of the best touch that I've seen from a big man from about 10 foot and in.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Throwing the ball with either and it looked like, bro, you just throwing that issue up there.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

All I know is it goes in.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I, I, look, I thought Reed battled Mara early on. He missed the first, he missed them first couple post ups that he had. Mara did. I thought Reed done a great job. But as the game kind of went on, you know, he started to get to his spots. He caught, he caught alive. He got some easy baskets.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yep.

[Joe Johnson]

Was able to put his stamp on the game. So, man, I'm, I'm. Hey, hey. This was, this was a fun game to watch, bro. It was a fun game to watch.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Who was outstanding player. Lindenberg.

[Joe Johnson]

Probably Elliot.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Who?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Because if they go, if they go, because I'm thinking they go by the entire tournament most outstanding player.

[Joe Johnson]

They going by the tournament.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

If it's the tournament, it's Lexing. It's Lindenberg.

[Joe Johnson]

Sometimes, sometimes they don't do that, though. They go by straight the championship game. You know what I mean? I'm serious.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

If you look at, if you look at Joe, you look at Lauren bets yesterday, she got it. And, and, and, and, and, and Gabriella. Ha. Way outplayed her.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So you, you might be right. You might. Who, who wanted, though, Uncle?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Y' all know Elliot Cadeau won it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Well,

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

this is, I mean, this is unbelievable. What, what, what's his classification? Is he coming back?

[Joe Johnson]

You know, he came from Carolina. He came from North Carolina last year.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

I know.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he came over.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

He Got a little cheese come out the portal.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he jumped in that portal quick, didn't he, man?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Hey, that little nil done paid off, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Ain't a man.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Literally and figurative. Because I won a national championship and I got a little cheese in my pocket, Right?

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[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

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[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

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[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

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[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

North Carolina search for the next head coach have landed in an unexpected place as the Tar Heels intend to hire longtime NBA coach Michael Malone as the school next head coach. Malone is an NBA champion from his time with the Denver Nuggets. Won 510 games in 12 seasons. He's one of the most respected tacticians in the NBA, has spent the past 10 months as an ESPN analyst. Malone hasn't coached college since he was an assistant at Manhattan in 2001. He was also assistant at Providence from 95 to 98, in Oakland from 94 to 95. According to ESPN, Malone's reputation as a coach is high in NBA circles. And having the respect of UNC legends Michael Jordan and Roy Williams played a role in the hire. Joe Norris. Knowing how Carolina normally hires, they like to keep it in the family. If you think about it, they went from coach, Coach Smith to Guthrie to Matt Daugherty. I think they had Peterson and then they got o'. Roy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

And then they turned it over to Hubert Davis. Yeah, I think that. I think that's the succession. Who came in after Matt Daugherty. Before you go, Joe. Okay, so there was no there. So it went for Roy, came after Matt Daugherty, and then it went Hubert Davis. So you like this high, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I love this high, Uncle Ocho. You know, Mike Malone is a proven winner. Obviously, we. We know he's won an NBA championship.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Correct.

[Joe Johnson]

On the highest level. He's coached MVP Nikola Jokic, you know, All Stars like Jamal Murray. And when y' all look at it now, hey, we know college. It's a professional sport, bro. This ain't. This ain't just regular college no more. So you want a coach who's well respected, you know, who these recruits are going to idolize and look up to and want to, you know, come to North Carolina. North Carolina is a prestige. Is a prestige school, man. So they trying to get back on the winning track. I thought this was a great hire. Hey, look, and another point Is the portal opens tomorrow? Yep, the basketball portal opens tomorrow. So now you got a coach who's. Who's in the driver's seat, and now he can go out and get some players, because y' all know it's probably about 2,000 players in the portal right now.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

And the thing is, Joe, you gotta have a coach on hand when the portal open.

[Joe Johnson]

You got to.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

You can't wait. It can't. You can't hire somebody on Wednesday. You can't hire somebody on Thursday. You've got to have somebody in place when that portal open and says, okay, we got our guy. Because you can't go to a kid and says, we're thinking about hiring X, Y, and Z. The kids want to know who they could potentially be playing for outside of the. How much. How much you got for your boy? Okay, now we talking outside of that Ocho. That's the first thing. How much you got, how much and how many minutes? That's what I need to know. Yeah. Okay, go ahead.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Listen.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Joe and Unc. That's the first thing I'm gonna say, right? Listen, I know Mike Malone, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Very respected.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Well respected in the circles when it comes to NBA. He's won a championship. He coached one of the greatest, if not one of the greatest big men of all time in the Kodioka.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, yes.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

That has no bearing and no weight. It's not going to pull any strings being the hiring head coach at North Carolina. You got to pay to play. You got to pay to win. You understand the landscape of college basketball right now and football in general, in order to get those players in there, you got to come with the bag.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

We respect what you've done in the NBA. Yeah, we expect y' all keeping it in the family when it comes to hiring coaches at North Carolina. But you have to understand, open up your checkbook if you want to get the players to come. Now, just because you hired Mike Malone doesn't mean you're gonna have success. Yeah, it doesn't mean that. Now, I respect him and what he's done in the NBA. I respect that. The players probably respect that as well. But how much are you paying me to come here? Even though it's a prestigious school, we know what you've done. We understand the players. That's come there before, but times are different now. Yeah, you got to pay to win. And that's what it come down to.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

And some of these guys jokes like, hey, I make me about four or five million dollars in case I Don't make it to the NBA. I got a great. A great head start on life because, you know, sometimes your parents be able to give you, like, hey, my kids, they got a head start. They had no college debt and they had a car already taken care of, so they got a head start. Everybody got, you know, within a month or two, they had jobs already lined up, but they had no college debt and they had a car, so they got hit. So a guy's like, hold on, I ain't make the NBA. Now I can go to the G League, I can go overseas, but if not, I can go ahead and start my. Whatever I got my degree in or whatever the case may be. I got me a nice little egg. Nice. A little nest egg.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

I got 500.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

I got a million dollars stashed away. Yeah, I can get me a great start if I can just wait until the job that I really want get to come to fruition. This is how these guys think. You're business people now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

All that student athlete. Damn that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you're right.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Y' all try to do that. Talk about student athletes, y' all didn't care nothing about nobody getting no books until they started getting some money. And now y' all try to put students. Put emphasis on student athletes. Nah. Which one of them got an academic scholarship, walked on to the football team because they already had a degree, already had a. A college tuition paid for.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

No, the college tuition is paid for because of those academic. Because of the football or that basketball or that baseball. So y' all keep that student athlete bull job. I'm an athlete that happened to be. Have to be a student.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. And we know that even though the portal open tomorrow, we know teams already been working.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Oh, yeah, they've been talking.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

They.

[Joe Johnson]

They. They gonna act like, you know, tomorrow, the first day, but, hell, they've been. They've been recruiting since the tournament started. Hear me?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yeah, they don't sleep a little something, Joe. They don't sleep them a little something.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, y' all already know what's going on. They locked in because, look, think about it. We've never seen North Carolina, obviously. You know, they gonna have a lottery pick. They're gonna have a top four or five pick this year, and Caleb Wilson. But for the most part, they always have great players at North Carolina. You know what I mean? North Carolina, Duke, those. Those blue blood teams always keep great talent. So with Mike Malone at the helm, Uncle Ocho, I'm sure he gonna be looking forward to Bringing in some great talent, putting, you know, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, back on the map for sure.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yeah. You know, Joe, they're not getting the. Because of the. The one and done the Nil. The talent is more spread out. You know, before Joe, they only went to like a handful of school. Yeah, North Carolina, Duke, Kansas got first pick and then another five or ten guys kind of spread out all over the place. But Duke, Carolina and, And Kansas and Kentucky got picked. They got. It was like a summer. If you ain't have no money, you gotta wait everything unscrapped over. People don't try to hit show. And now they're like, man, these shows don't feel like no 30s. They feel like more like a 32, 34. Cause everybody to squeeze their ass little bit. You get. You. Your mom ain't had no money to put it on layaway. So you get what everybody done picked over. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Hey, Uncle Joe, Just like you said, right? It's a business, right? And when it comes to business, right, when you got goddamn bees, what's the baby. What's the best way to attract bees? With the goddamn honey.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

So the college landscape is. Is goddamn even now with players going all over the place. So if you understanding that now that you understand, it's a goddamn business, hell, goddamn supply and demand. The more you open up your pocket, the more players you can get to come to your school now thinking just because it's North Carolina, thinking just because we have the Jordan brand, thinking just because we. We hired Mike Malone, you know, who's well respected in the circles in the NBA. That's not gonna cut it.

[Joe Johnson]

Still got.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

I mean, it ain't. It ain't cut it for how many coaches they had before Hubert Davis?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Well, Roy. And that's why, you know, you see a lot of coaches talking about, you know, I want to spend more time with my family. But I guarantee you, if the Nil hadn't come into a place and you still had the upper hand, they'll be coaching.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, they'll be coaching. Y' all already know what's going on. Hey, but look, they going, hey, they going after these. These guys that's in the portal that has experience, who's been in college, who are juniors and seniors. You look at Michigan, people gonna copy this, man. You know what I mean? You want guys who not scared, who understands what college basketball is like and gonna come out and compete. So, hey, man, if you're a freshman, you gotta be a five star and you gotta be that boy you hear me? Yes. You wanna come in and play, boy, you gonna. Hey, you gonna have to be that boy.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

And the fact of the matter is, Joe, is that a guy that's in the portal. He's already been to college. He already knows he has study hall. He already knows he has to lift weights. He already knows he has to condition. He already knows he has to go to class. So I don't have to have. I don't have to like. Boy, I sure hope you go to class. I sure hope you go to study hall. I sure hope he does conditioning. That guy's already done that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, if I'm paying.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Look here, if I'm paying you, I ain't finna try. Look here. Ain't no on the job training no Joe. Now you come.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

You got to come ready.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Experience. Hey, when I got my job application, experience required.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Don't you bring your ass on here. Think somebody gonna teach you what to do and get. Hey, okay, I teach you what to do. But you're gonna be on our salary. You damn sure not gonna be salaried.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, look, the one thing y' all know is, you know, it take a while. Even. Even the top freshmens, it take them a while to understand how to compete at the highest level, how to. How to play defense, how to play the right way. Hey, bro, it ain't just about you. You know what I mean? Like, we got guys who've been in college three, four years already. You know what I mean? Yep. So it's a learning curve for a lot of these young cats. And, man, it's gonna be fun to watch. I'm looking forward to see what Mike Malone, you know, pull out his hat as far as who he gonna get out this portal, what kind of guys he gonna bring in, what type of system he gonna run, and what it's going to be like.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

But if you look what Arizona coach and the Michigan coach, and a lot of these coaches says, I'm not interested. Because, I mean, it used to be if this job opened up 10, 15 years ago, every coach would have been interested in it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Matter of fact, that ain't the case now.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Nah, that ain't the case now.

[Joe Johnson]

As a matter of fact, they probably would have kept it in the family, too.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

I just think now, like. Like I've said before, with it being a professional sport, you want a guy who's proven who. Who you know, that you know these cats gonna respect, and that's what it was about.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yeah. And you look at. Cause the coaches now they look at, hold on. I can go build a program with the Portal. I can go build something like Signetti and become the second highest paid coach and make it almost 12, $13 million a year. I don't have to go to one of these Blue Buds because you know what? Other schools pay money too. Now there you go, Portal. And we got famous enough alumni. You got Mark Cuban who went to Indiana.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

So you got these guys like okay, this, hey, if you guys want to compete with the big dogs, this is what it's going to take. And as long everybody loves a winner. Nobody has a problem spending money as long as we're winning.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Winning.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

When the winning stops, the funds dry up.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, you're right. Hey, hey. And it's been reported that, you know, his daughter played Mike Malone. Daughter plays volleyball at North Carolina too. Yeah, see, she on the volleyball team. It's a win. Win for him.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yep.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what I mean? So, man, well, now I gotta take off scholarship.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Your dad to coach you. He can pay for your way. So I get somebody, I get somebody else.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, but that don't.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

That's normally what happens anyway. You know, you got a kid, your son or your daughter is a student at there. Your dad is a coach. Hey, he probably take that though. I say that tongue and cheek. Let me stop because everybody go, man. You hear what Shadow shop saying? He said that North Carolina should revoke Mike Malone's daughter and he should have to pay for it out of his pocket. I said that tongue in cheek.

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[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

the Knicks beat the Hogs 105.

[Joe Johnson]

108.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

105 after quick review wipes out CJ McCullum's half court buzzer beater that would have tied the game. The Hawks first home loss since early February put it into an Atlanta's 13 game home winning streak. ISO Jalen Brunson led the way with New York. He had 30 points, 13 assists. Carl Anthony Towns K A T 21 points, 12 re 12 rebounds and 6 assists. MVP chance erupted in fourth quarter for Jalen Brunson who carried hold on man, listen.

[Joe Johnson]

You know when we play the Knicks and Lakers out here man, be more Knicks fans and Lakers fans than it be Hawks fans in the building. I seen so much, so much blue and orange. It disgusted me tonight. I ain't gonna lie to you. It disgusted me watching the game. I'm like man what's going on? But hey look, I like Alexander man.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Hey, hey Joe, Joe, before you go see what I'm talking Ocho, you see what I'm talking about?

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Now Nikhil Alexander Walker, he was playing alongside Ant man.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Could he do this in Minnesota?

[Joe Johnson]

No.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Now you see why I say guys they got to go be held the ball in their hands. He was never going to be this in Minnesota. Nah, not with that man.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, not, not with Jay Gilgames was

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Never going to be that. Not with Kawhi.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree. I think in Minnesota, not only do you got ant man, but you got Julius Randall, and both of those guys are kind of ball dominant. So he was getting scraps, man. He didn't. Came over here and thrived, bro.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

36 points on 12 and 19, shooting 7 of 11 for 3. So you mean to tell me with Russell Westbrook, who's an all Star, with Kevin Durant, who's an mvp, James Harden, the way we know him today because he went to Houston, he was going to do that at okc?

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

I mean, when you asked, when you asked, when you asked TMac that question, he said yes, he could have done it. Now, I can't explain it the way Mac. Hey, I can't explain the way Max plan ISO.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

There you go. Do you believe James Harden? If he stays. If he stays in okc, he's going to be the exact same player that he left and went to Houston playing along Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook?

[Joe Johnson]

Hell, no. Ain't no way. Let me tell you something. Would he still average like 20 points a game? Yeah, he probably still would have got 20 a game, but, man, the way he was able to, you know, kind of do whatever he wanted in Houston, bro, he wasn't gonna be able to do that. You Katie a ball handler, Russell. Ball handler? Hell, you can't have three dominant ball handlers on no. 1 team, bro.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Hey, Joe, I. I would say as one dominant ball handed at the OKC team, and that would be Russ, because KD could play off the goddamn ball. Yeah, he can't play on the ball. But now, hey, listen, I. I don't remember exactly how.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Uncle.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

You probably remember better than not. I. I could. The way T. Mac explained it when we. When. When. When UNK asked tmac the same question and tmac said, yeah, James Harden was still thriving, that if. If he was still on that team and being able to score 30, 36 even with those two.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

No, he did. I give to T max credit. He said he averaged 20. But a 20. You're not even in the conversation. He got into conversation for being one of the best two. They was like, who is a better score? Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant or James Harden? He stays in OKC and average 20. That's not even a discussion. Yeah, that's not even the discussion. He's not gonna win an mvp. When was the third option ever an mvp?

[Joe Johnson]

And I don't even know if he would even been an all Star. Cause you know KD and Russ, they. They were gonna be locked in every year.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, like unless you just head and shoulders better than everybody.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

But outside of that, it was going to be hard. It would have been hard for him to be an All Star, but I think he still would have been a hell of a player. Just nothing like he was in Houston, bro. Let me tell y' all something.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

That's all I was trying to say. That was my only point. I didn't say he couldn't make an all star team. I didn't say maybe they don't. They figured out and they won a championship. I said, but the James Harden that we know, that's a four what, a three or four time scoring championship. Averaging 36, averaging 35 average in 32. One of the first to have a 60 point triple double. He's not doing that with Russ and

[Joe Johnson]

KD because his usage rates were going to be too low in okc. His usage rate was so high in Houston, he had to ball every chance, every time down court.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

So look, I say, I say, Mac, I said, I hate to go against you, but James Harden had the ball all the time. So what's Russell, What's Russell Westbrook gonna do? We've seen Russ. He's not an off the ball guard. He needs the ball. Now, KD can play without the ball, but he's still Gonna need his 17, 18 shots.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Go back. Look at James Harden when he was in Houston. How many shots per game did he average? There are only so many shots to go around, man.

[Joe Johnson]

It ain't like. And they had Ibaka like they had, they had some guys who could play, man.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

It was going to be hard for him to average 30 or 36 a night. That, that wasn't going to happen.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

It's like Shaq and Kobe, Shaq and Kobe gonna take the lion share the shot, but they're not gonna have enough. A third option. That could be potentially a. An all star.

[Joe Johnson]

No.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Look at what Chris Bosh when he got with D. Wade and LeBron. LeBron.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Look at Kevin Love. Kevin Love was 26 and 13. Go look it up. He was 26 and 13 every. Look at what his numbers did when he got with Kyrie and LeBron.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Because they, they ain't gonna be force feeding you like that.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Check this out. In 1819, he averaged almost 25 shots a game. What was it his peak was? 24, 25.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

His highest in OKC was 10. The highest in OKC was 10. So he went from 10, he averaged 15 more shots. Because why? He's the guy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep. And he knew it. And he knew it.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

I'm not saying James Harden, maybe, maybe not. He's a top 75 player. But all I'm saying is the James Harden that we fell in love with. Yeah. The guy that was giving you 30, he averaged. He scored 30 points in 30 plus consecutive games.

[Joe Johnson]

Impressive.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

They're like, man, Kobe never. This guy never did that. Great scores. Never did that. And I'm like, t. Mac, I said, bro, I show you the basketball, bro, you in the hall of fame. But I got to disagree with you on this one. Yeah, I just got to.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I disagree with him too. And that's my Mac, my guy. I just, I couldn't see.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

I just don't see it. I just don't see it. Not with Russ, not with Russia and not with kd. Nah, he had, he had to get away. Look, now we would have never known had they gave him that extra $5 million that he was looking for.

[Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

But when they didn't give him. And then he went to Houston and I, he, he came out the box, he had like 35 back to back. I'm like, hold on, wait a minute.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

And he did not look back.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, no, don't remember that.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

The game that you remember when he was talking, they went over to, they went overseas and they was talking about. And the, the GM said something crazy about this country. That country.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

China got upset and everybody thought James was bad. And James, he out of shape and he dropped 44.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Bad boy, man. Bad boy.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Hey, listen. Hey, hey, hey. That left handed. That's Joker there. He had a stretch for about five years. He was as good as putting the ball in the basket as anybody in the history of the game.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, anybody.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Jordan, Kobe, whomever, whoever, whomever your great scores is. Will. Anybody. That's average 30. James Harden had a stretch in Houston that was as good as anybody in the 80 year history of the NBA and putting basketball in the basket.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I love, I love watching him, especially his first couple of years there, Uncle Ocho. I mean, and not only was he getting by his man, but he was dunking that thing. He'll. He'll boof that thing on you. Coming. Coming through that lane. Hey, he was something else, man. He was, he was special, bro. He's still special. When I watch him play now. He still know how to manipulate the defense, get what he want, make guys around him better, make big shots. You know, I think everybody get onto him because of the post season. You know, he hadn't had much success in the post season, but for the most part, I think now he's with a team that, you know, they can make some noise in the East. I don't know how far they can get, but I know they can make some noise.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

I don't believe they can beat Boston.

[Joe Johnson]

You don't think so?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Nope. And if Cade don't get. Could they beat. Could they beat Detroit without Cade?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

How soon does Cade get back?

[Joe Johnson]

I just don't know how he gonna be when he come back. That's a punctured lung like that. Ain't that. Like, you need that to breathe, bro. Like, at the end of the day, I don't know what that's gonna be like with Detroit.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Joey, all your starters had double figures. Y' all had 48 rebounds. Y' all didn't shoot the ball that well. They did.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what was the glaring thing when I was watching this Hawks and Knicks game?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

What'd you thought?

[Joe Johnson]

And this is the growth and maturity that. That Jalen Johnson has to have. Uncle Ocho. The growth and maturity that Jalen Johnson has to have. He had 21 and 11.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

But with seven minutes left on the clock, I think he. I think he may only took one shot. I think he made a three. You know what I mean? Like, he has to. He has to demand the ball more. He has to be more aggressive, and he'll figure that part out. You understand? Like, this was the first. This is the first year they traded Trey early in the year. So it's a learning curve for him. I expect him to make a huge jump next season and hopefully in this postseason. Man, he understands it more, but they're going to need him to do a lot more versus just, you know, kind of being out there. I know Alexander had it going in there for.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

That's what I was about to ask you, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Did he get. Did he. Did he. Did he says, you know what, Walt? You got it going. Go ahead and do your thing.

[Joe Johnson]

But that's the thing. That's the thing, though. It's like, you know, when you. When you the guy and you got another guy get going, you. You still have to some way somehow maintain rhythm within the game, you know, I mean. Cause I thought it was a few possessions. Uncle and Ocho, especially under three minutes, I was like, I need. I need Jalen just to get the ball, maybe even go to the mid post, tell him get out the way and just make a play. And I Think he'll learn that part because he's such a special talent and I enjoy watching him play, man. That's why I say, don't nobody want to see the Hogs, man. Don't nobody want to see the Hogs, bro.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. With Alexander Walker going off like that, you still think Jalen Johnson should insert himself? Even with Young Bull? It's hot.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they needed him. It was a few times, Ocho, it was a few times. They needed him to be aggressive and make a play. Like I say, man, the last seven, eight minutes, Ocho, he was, you know, he was just kind of watching because Alexander kind of had it going. But I thought that he had some opportunities to be aggressive and try and make a play. Whether it's get to the line, get you a little chippy. I just think, you know, just a little more, you know, probably would have got us over the hump tonight. But I mean, he's still a special talent, bro.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yeah. I mean, you guys had five, all your starters in double figures. You guys just didn't shoot the ball well.

[Joe Johnson]

A Kong.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Woo. 4 13. Jalen was 8 or 19. CJ was 7 of 19. Walt was the only one. He was 12 of 19. Dyson Daniel was 4 of 11. You guys just didn't shoot. You guys shot 40%.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, 40. Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

The Poland team shot of 50% and

[Joe Johnson]

didn't get none from our bench. For real. Like Kaminga played.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

You got eight points.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, Kaminga played 22 minutes, five points, five rebounds. It's just, it's kind of disheartening for me. Cause I like Kaminga so much, Uncle Ocho, you know what I mean? I'm like, I feel like it's sometimes, man, you're gonna have to have Kaminga and Jalen Johnson out there at the 4 and 5 just to make us a faster team.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what I mean? To create opportunities for, for everybody. I think it'll make the game a little easier, but I think Quinn doing a great job with these guys, man. I mean, they, they had won 11 straight prior to tonight. So, you know, it's a tough loss for us.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

You do realize though, if you go that small lineup, somebody gonna say, bro, I just gotta make sure I crash the board. Cause you are really undersized. Yeah. Because when they go, if they go Cat. Cat is a legit 7 foot tall. And I don't know what you call it. Mitchell Robinson. So you got to be careful. So you got to say, guys, look here we got. Hey, we got to go. Back. We got to have basically everybody go to the glass. You're so undersized. If you. If you go. If you go. If you go Dice, you go Jalen Johnson, Dyson Daniels, and Kaminga at the 3, 4, 5. Yeah, you are seriously undersized.

[Joe Johnson]

I. I understand that part, but think about this. Who in the hell Carl Anthony Towns or Mitchell Robinson gonna. They can't guard no damn body. If we like that we made they. What they gonna be able to do? They ain't gonna be. All we gotta do is gain rebound and get out and run the boys in trouble.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

And, hey. And I'm like, hey, cat, I know you don't like to do this, but get your ass down on the block. You got Kamingo, you got Diane Daniels, or you got. Oh, you got Jayla Johnson. He.

[Joe Johnson]

He probably would try and take advantage of, but I live with it. I ain't gonna lie to y'. All. If I can get the ball out of Brunson, his hand, because it seemed like down the stretch. Uncle Ocho, y' all know Brunson's so clutch, bro. Like, he is up shots down the stretch. I'm like, man, I'd rather. I'd rather ball be a cat hand than it is in Brunson.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

But, Joe, the shots that he's making. Hey, I'm just looking at the coat. What you want me to do? You see that shot he just made? Damn, you're right. He took my shoe off and threw and tried to hit the ball, and I still didn't. I'm trying. I've tried everything, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, he a big, bright, big body Bronson.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

He.

[Joe Johnson]

He a tough cover. I ain't gonna lie. He know how to use his body well, Uncle Ocho. To create space, get to spots, and his pivots with step throughs. I'm like, man, he out there, he looked like a. He like a little, bitty big man out there.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yeah, he got tremendous. He got tremendous feet. Watching him at Villanova, I did not see this.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, I ain't either, bro.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

The only time that I thought he could be special. If you remember when Luca went down when he was in Dallas.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, he took over.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

He took. That's what I was like, hold on. You. You could do this.

[Joe Johnson]

That's how he got paid.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Hell, Dallas F that up.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, well, he.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

He.

[Joe Johnson]

He's a ball dominant guy, and I don't know if you can play him and Luca together. I understand. You know, we look at Brunson now, but, hell, think about it. We just Talking about James Harden in okc. Brunson wouldn't have been able to do none of this in Houston. I mean, in Dallas, playing with Luca.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

No.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah. He wouldn't have been able to do this.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

No. I mean, being a six foot two guard. Two. You gotta have the ball, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Two, guard, post, player. Cause he gonna post up.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

Bigger than him or not he gonna post up. Hey, hey. He a good guy to have on your team, man. I think he facilitates well. And if them other guys get involved, Bridges, OG if they play well like they did tonight. They played decent, huh?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

They did, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

It's gonna be hard.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

OG was 50% from the floor. Cat was 9 of 12, but Kale Bridges was 7 of 13. Mitchell Robinson was 4 of 6, but he gave it 12 rebounds in 20 minutes.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They hadn't been playing great ball like this. They, They've been playing decent, but, you know, everybody ain't been putting up numbers like this.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

No, but I'm definitely getting the ball out of Brunson hands. Somebody else got to beat me.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm saying, how you gonna get out of his hands, though? You gonna double him?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

I gotta trap him. I gotta make him give it up.

[Joe Johnson]

They got too many guys. They got too many guys who can play.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

I live with Cat. I live with OG You? You just said the man won the clutch award last year, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you're right. I, I, yeah, he did. He did.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

You don't believe it?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I believe it. Hey, hey, listen. Hey, I'm like, hey, I don't know, man. I think, you know, he made a lot of tough shots, but doubling him on a pick and roll and you and he get the passes to Cat, I feel like Cat's smart enough to where he can make the right play. He can find OG he can find Bridges. He may even shoot his little touch floater in the paint. I think Cat too good for that. You can't, you can't double off Cat.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

But you do realize, you do realize, Joe, that Bronson ain't looking to get a ball up in those situations.

[Joe Johnson]

No, he not. He not. Because he thriving those moments. He understand those are his times. Hey, man, when you got that, when you got the ultimate confidence from your, from your, your teammates, your coaches in those moments y' all talking, I'm speaking from, you know, experience here. In those clutch moments, the last thing you want to do is let your teammates and coaching staff down, bro, because they believe in you so much. You know what I mean? So when you watch Brunson late In games, man, he. It's like, it's like he's so comfortable out there, he. He understand what he can get. Not only does he have a great mid range shot and three point shot, but them pump fakes to where he gets you and he get to the line, them step throughs. He got a lot in this game. He got a lot in this game.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

They didn't shoot a whole lot of free throws, neither team. They only shot 17 free throws a piece, Joe. Both was 13 or 17.

[Joe Johnson]

It's a three point shoot. Three. How many threes we get up tonight?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

The knicks got up 33. You guys got up 42.

[Joe Johnson]

We gonna shoot that three now. Yeah, we're gonna shoot that three ball. I ain't gonna lie to y'.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

All.

[Joe Johnson]

We're gonna shoot that three ball.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

It was. He got 17 in the fourth. Joe, he had 13 points going into the fourth quarter.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Who?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Bronson.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, he had 17 in the fourth. Yeah, he got it going on 13 assists.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

I mean, no, he get it going in the fourth. What did he go? So what is he looking to do? Keep it going?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I mean, I didn't, I didn't think he shot well. I mean, hell, he was 11 for 26. Hey, look, if you, if you, If a guy gotta take 26 shots to get 30 points,

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

hey, Joe, you can live with that.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Hell yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

All day long, Ocho. All day long, bro.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

He was three. He was three fake from three. Shoot.

[Joe Johnson]

He.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

He get. He getting this 30. But you see, you long as you're winning.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, I think, I think in that fourth quarter, he was very efficient in that fourth quarter. I think he wasn't playing great throughout the game, but in that fourth quarter, obviously he turned it up. He did. Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

He got seven. He got 17. And that's the thing. Well, you look, Joe, you've been. You've been that guy. That's been the guy in the fourth quarter.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

And you know, once you get it going, ain't no turning that off.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, not unless you double it.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Either you run out of time or somebody beat you with a big. A bigger shot than what you made, but you're not stopping it. Once he get going.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Okay. Because it was nip and tuck back and forth for the last two, three minutes.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yep.

[Joe Johnson]

And I seen McCollum, he. That one at the end. I thought it was good when he, when he shot that.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

It was good. It was just on the fingertips, man. It's like. Ocho. What you say in football, coach, give it to me early, get you go get a guy going early.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Early.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

You can kiss the baby. You. Yeah. Hey, you. He. You. You at my mercy now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

I done got me about four or five, about six passes in the first half.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Oh, no, you got me all the way to the four. You got me all the way to the four.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, I know exactly what you talking about. Hey, listen, in football, you know, y' all want to get off to a great start.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

You.

[Joe Johnson]

You don't want to go in halftime with one catch for seven yards, another.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Nope. Hey, but they think you could just turn it on after that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We got you. We got you. Hey, what you mean, you got who?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. You gonna be in there with an attitude and something else.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Hey, Joe. Joe. That's one of the worst feelings in the world, Joe, and would make it even worse, is if you go through practice all week and they got stuff game planned for you.

[Julian Edelman]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Just to get you the ball.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

The team you playing, make sure when those plays are called where you know it's coming to you. And they roll and they bracket and they W. Is a rap, man. Listen.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Damn. All I'm saying is. Look, Ocho, I want to get you frustrated.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

We're gonna double Ocho the first half, get him frustrated. Look at him on the sideline. Look how he paces.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Hey, hey.

[Joe Johnson]

And then when he look at.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

On the sideline, you see he threw that water out. He ain't even drinking the water. He got a cup of water and he drinking.

[Joe Johnson]

Throwing his helmet down. Throwing his helmet.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Hey, hey, hey. Joy, Joey, hurt, boy. Going. Going to the half with no catches or going into the half with one catch. It hurt. Because you can't tell me you went and did all this practicing all week. Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. We had to walk through on Saturday. And you gonna allow these folk to dictate what we want to do offensively?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, the worst thing is when you go into a game, bro, and your body feeling good. Your attitude right? You feeling good?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

You like?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, this is gonna be a good night tonight. And you mess around, you throw a dud out there. That's the worst feeling in the world.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

He like, hey, hey, watch it, watch it, watch it. All I need to see is one thing. I need to see one thing from it. We got it. That's it. That's all I needed to see right there. That's all I needed to see. You see that right there? We got. We got it. Don't even worry about it. We got it now.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, ain't running his R4 cuz

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

he know the ball. Hey, that jo put. He put them hands up and let him slap. Slap his hips. Good job. Good job.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey. Oo, yo, hey, when. When games like that happen in football, do y' all ever talk to the quarterback at, like, halftime, try to tell. Hey, look, look, man, you got to look over here sometime. I'm open.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

I don't bother him. I go straight to my old coordinator. I go straight to my officer coordinator. I probably tell Hugh something, especially when the game is going on, even though Hugh doesn't have as much control as I would want. Especially in game.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

I wait till halftime come. I never ever, ever, ever bother my quarterback, ever.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Oh, you probably tell Hugh, huh? You probably tell Hugh.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna tell Hugh.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Okay. Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

During the game when I was frustrated. Hey, Joe, Hugh Jackson was my outlet. That was my outlet to bent my frustration because he's one of the few people gonna listen. It's probably going in one end out the other, but he's still gonna listen to me. I don't bother Carson. Carson has enough he got to worry about. Especially during, you know, during the game. Every blue moon, Joe, I pick up the phone and tell brat, listen. Now you. You know, I got you. I got you, and that's it. I won't get into nothing else. You know what I see and they doing. I won't do none of that. I would just remind him, I got you, and then I just hang up.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

And just in. In hopes. Come on, now. Don't do me like that.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on. So you can use the phone anytime you're on the sideline. Okay, Ojo?

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Yeah, yeah. Once you pick up, it goes straight to the office.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Go straight. Yeah, yeah. The. The offense got a phone, the defense got a phone, and if you dial 9, you can get an outside line. What?

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Well, yeah, I'm glad I ain't know that.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

I'm glad your ass. They know that either. Calling people.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Hey, I'm glad I know that.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

I'm definitely glad. I don't even know why I said that.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Nah, Joe, I. I was. I told you. I just like, man, I was like, man, we did all this, you know, I'm talking to myself, you know, Rod, I'm like, man, we did all this practicing, and then it's late in the ball game, we down. What you like you to get out my face? I mean, what if. Oh, what you want me to do? Not what I like. What you see.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, they see, they they see your attitude. They see you pissed off, so they trying to come over there and talk to you. Hey, yeah, hey, we're gonna.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Bud. We. Okay. I'm not.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

And what make it worse is, Unc, they'll come to you asking what you like, matter of fact. And we losing. We losing. So whatever you give me ain't gonna make no difference anyway at this point.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yes. I sure wish y' all asked me this in the first quarter of the first half.

[Joe Johnson]

It happened like that in basketball too, though, believe it or not.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

What you say? But, yo, your personality, you. Your personality, you ain't gonna say nothing.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, I think I enjoy being

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

an

[Joe Johnson]

all around guy, Uncle Ocho. Like, I ain't never needed nobody to get me to rock, you know? And when I was a kid, you know, I used to always see the big man, you know, they had to go down there and post up, and if the point guard don't throw on the ball, they be pissed off, too. So once I got a little size on me and I can handle the rock. Oh, you mean tell me I can go rebound this ball and push it up the court and make my own play? Boy, please. I ain't never worried about. No, I'm the point guard. I'm just playing the center spot and the point guard. Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Okay.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Unfortunately, Joe Ocho and I, we couldn't do that. They have to call a play that's deliberately. That's. That's meant for us.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Now, I have done some things I'm not proud of. Yeah. Like run the wrong route intentionally. Hey, I switched positions. Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Hey, what I do like, Joe, this is. I mean, I. Obviously you have to have years in, especially with your quarterback. The chemistry has to be there. You guys have to understand and know what each other. Know what each other is seeing, especially out there on the field.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

What I do like is once I got comfortable with Carson, we got into, you know, year three and year four is if there was a game where a game was slow and I wouldn't get the ball and. And he wanted to get me going, try to not to really calm me down. It's not like I acted a. Acted a couple, acted a fool or nothing. He had changed the play at the line of scrimmage. He'll just look at me. If I got. If that safety drift over in the middle of the field. Yeah, he'll look at me and he'll. He'll throw a number up, you know, just. Just to let me touch it, you know, give me a slant, give me a Quick out, just to get me going. And once I want. Joe, once I touch that ball, you got me. The rest of the game I don't need, you know, ain't got to be nothing deep. He ain't gotta, you know, just. Just let me touch it, just let me feel it. And then I get going. And once. Once you get me talk. Once I start talking in the game. Yeah, I'm good, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

You just wanna. You wanna feel like you're a part of the game.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

That's it. That's it, Joe. I don't need much. I don't need much. I didn't wear a mouthpiece on purpose, Joe. Just let me touch the ball early. And once I get to talking to players on the other team and TV timeout, you got me the whole game.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, look, in basketball, man, when you bring. If you bringing the ball up, especially early in the 2000s. Cause we were playing with two traditional bigs, you know, they'll trap you at half court. Especially if you got it going. They'll trap you at half court, make you pass to somebody. Now it's harder because everybody can shoot. You know what I mean? That's why. That's. That's why, Uncle, I was saying, you talking about trapping Brunson. It's too many guys out now who can play, make and shoot the midi. Shoot the three. As opposed to, hell, 15, 17, 20 years ago, you ain't had that.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

You know what, Joe? I just want him to get a ball up early. I don't want him to have the ball the whole damn shot clock if he get it late. Okay, but I gotta make. I gotta make. I want. Maybe. Maybe I can entice somebody else to shoot it to F it up.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I think what. I think what Atlanta was thinking tonight, though. They had played pretty good defense on them throughout the whole game. And then that fourth quarter, you know, they probably thought they were still gonna be able to, you know, do a number on him, but he was able to get loose. He got a couple easy buckets, step throughs. I'm like, man. And then he made a couple threes. Next thing you know, hell, you can't cool nobody off. Once they. Once they made two, three in a row.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yeah, you right about that. He get. You don't get. He don't got it going. That was. That's the worst, though. That's the worst. You practice all week, Ocho, and you just catch him like, oh, man, I called my brother. Hey, hey, bro, go have a good one this week. Hey, he Boy. Your boy in there, right? Hey. Cause, you know, he asked you how that thing looking? Say, looking real good. Looking real good, man. Looking real good. I don't got. Hey, I don't. Done told him. I don't. I was like, oh, I don't count. I'm like, okay. I'm looking at the first 15, Joe. I'm like, okay. One, two, three.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Four, five, six. I say out of the first 15, I literally have six. But I'm gonna be conservative. I got three catches in the first 15, don't y'.

[Joe Johnson]

All.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

I'm like, okay, okay. And they already know. I put my head. I put my. My chin strap, Joe. I fasten it backwards so the chin strap, it ain't dangling. It's back here. So they already know what time it is.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

84. We good. We good. No, we ain't good, man. Stop. No. You know I'm not good. Why you asking me this? Hey, Sharp, telephone. I'm quick. Oh, Joe, tell them ain't in.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Hey.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

You know, it would have been different, Joe, if you. If you look at today's game. Look at the way they use Puka, Nakua. Look at the way they use Jamar, Chase and jsn. Who else they use?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Like that Jetta.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Oh, yeah. Justin Jefferson. You see how they be all over the place in the slot, coming out the backfield, putting them in motion, you know, stacking the splits and doing. Joe, I ain't do none of that.

[Joe Johnson]

You didn't do none of that.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

I'm out. I'm out wide to the left. I'm out wide to the right. Every blue moon, I'm in the slot. Every blue moon, Joe, I'm out there getting it. Off the muscle, Joe. Off the muscle. I don't do. I ain't going in motion. I ain't doing nothing. Ain't no tricks. Ain't none of that. I'm getting open. I don't give. I don't give a. You put three people out there, I'm gonna be open.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Look at them tight end now, Joe. Catching 125, 109 balls. What's the dude? The dude in the.

[Joe Johnson]

Who?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

McBride. Trey McBride.

[Joe Johnson]

Arizona.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

He went crazy.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

The guy's getting 117, 120, 126.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, y' all know a quarterback like a nice tight end now?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yeah, my quarterback like me, too, but not like he must have that ball off the TD, getting five, six yards. Man, you out there running that thing, getting 1500, 1700, 2000.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, well, y' all Had a squad boy.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Yeah. You ain't gonna get no whole bunch of passes. I think what's the most I did, cat? I think 70 passes. I mean, 70 passes. You got a 1700 yard rusher, Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

That's a lot of passes.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

That's the most you caught in the season?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

No, the most I caught in the season was 87. But I called, I called, I called 80. He had over 1500. I called 70. How many? 72. He had 1700. And I called 60. I think 64. He had 2, 000.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, they had eight in the box. Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

To try to stop him. And then I tell you know, and not everybody want to play cover too, because even if they didn't have seven in the box, they can get that safety down in a hurry. So it was TD job to run them out of COVID too.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Make them drop that safety down.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

And so now me, Ed and Rod, we playing one on one.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

But hey, it is what it is. Hey, I got what I got. I, I, I can't complain. I was a Bear. I was a part of three teams that, that got to the Super Bowl. We won't. We got some pro bowls out of. We got some, got some all pros out of it. Got a gold jacket. I can't complain.

[Joe Johnson]

Hell no.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

I see these guys bad catching 100. Ocho. You see JS Ocho, you realize these guys be getting 180, 190 targets.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

That's crazy. That's, that's crazy.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Targets.

[Joe Johnson]

It's a pass heavy lead now.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Oh, yeah, but they throw the hell out that ball now.

[Joe Johnson]

What?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Top salary, Ocho, in 2017, the top salary was 17 million for a wide receiver. Yeah. In 10 years, it's increased 25 million per year. So the top salary was 17 million a B. Now it's 42 JSN. Oh, that's cool. So in another 10 years where it's going, Ocho, by 60, 60, 65, quarterback will be well over a hundred.

[Joe Johnson]

What about the running back?

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

The running back gonna come back but 25.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. If you're a running back now, you gotta have hands too, don't you?

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

You got to be able to do everything.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

You got to be Gibbs, you got to be Bijan Robinson. You need to be C. Mac. The days of like, guys just bruising. Nah.

[Joe Johnson]

25, 30 rushes a game ain't happening

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

no more like a Derrick Henry.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

Nah, no. Hell, I don't know if they're gonna be a guy that big. Be that big. Be that fast and be that durable. Yeah, you know, the beating that man untook.

[Liberty City Zone Bingo]

Mm.

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[Podcast Host (Uncle Ocho)]

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