Nightcap Hour 1: Ravens hit UNO REVERSE on Maxx Crosby + Trey Hendrickson SIGNS with RAVENS + Shannon DEFENDS Bam Adebayo’s 83-Point Game + Shakur Stevenson JOINS Nightcap to talk FUTURE FIGHTS

Summary

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Nightcap Hour 1: Ravens Hit UNO REVERSE on Maxx Crosby + Trey Hendrickson Signs with Ravens + Shannon Defends Bam Adebayo’s 83-Point Game + Shakur Stevenson Joins Nightcap

Podcast: Nightcap (iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media)
Air Date: March 12, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson
Special Guest: Shakur Stevenson

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap features a packed agenda as legendary hosts Shannon Sharpe and Ochocinco dive into three major sports stories: the dramatic collapse of the Maxx Crosby-to-Ravens trade, the Ravens pivoting to sign Trey Hendrickson, and defending Bam Adebayo’s historic 83-point NBA performance. The latter half centers on a candid conversation with undefeated world champion boxer Shakur Stevenson, who discusses future fights, weight classes, the realities of “boring” boxing styles, and more. Expect signature banter, strong takes, and inside perspective from top-tier athletes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Ravens Maxx Crosby Trade Collapse (03:54–38:52)

1.1 News Recap & Medical Fallout (03:54–11:59)

• The Situation:
  Las Vegas Raiders and Baltimore Ravens had agreed to a blockbuster trade: Maxx Crosby to Baltimore for two first-rounders. Four days later, Ravens rescinded the deal citing medical concerns during Crosby’s physical—specifically regarding a meniscus injury and possible long-term knee degeneration.
• Front Office Insight:
  Ravens GM Eric DeCosta: “Nobody is more upset than him [referring to himself], gutted by it actually. Big regret for me, but we will move forward as a football team.”
• Trade Precedent:
  Shannon notes Ravens have walked away from deals for medical reasons before: Michael Brockers also had a trade voided over knee concerns.
• Ochocinco’s Reaction:
  “I’ve never seen anything like that. Especially a player like Maxx Crosby...an impact player that makes your team exponentially better right away.” (10:36)
  • Confused by the rescinding, knowing full well the knee issue existed, and impressed Crosby played through injury last season for double-digit sacks.

1.2 Value Debate: Crosby vs. Hendrickson (11:59–24:50)

• Shannon’s Angle:
  “If you really look at it, Hendrickson might be a better pure pass rusher. But overall...Crosby plays the run so much better…” (11:59)
  • Concerned about knee degeneration and being on the hook for a $100+ million contract. Realism about long-term franchise impact.
  • Compares the decision to buying a similar house for much cheaper, with less risk, i.e., Hendrickson instead of Crosby.
• Ochocinco’s Counter:
  “If I’m playing poker, I’m putting all my cards on the table...I want Maxx Crosby here.” (18:24)
  • Willing to gamble, citing organizational desperation and need for transformative defense.

1.3 Risk Assessment and Reputation (24:50–39:03)

• Trusting Doctors vs. Taking Risks:
  Shannon: “Anytime you start getting $100 million, you gotta go to the owner…and they’re gonna want to sit down with Dr. Curl.” (25:56)
  • Discusses the depth of medical review by NFL teams.
• Public Perception:
  When asked if this hurts the Ravens’ reputation, Ocho says:
  “Absolutely not. It’s still the Baltimore Ravens…Players are going to go where they’re valued. Money talks.” (28:53)
• Compensation & Raiders’ Dilemma:
  After the failed trade, market realities are reset. Crosby’s agent calls reports of pending deals “fake news.” Raiders may have to settle for less compensation, e.g., a second and a fifth. Ochocinco campaigns for the Bengals to pursue the deal.

1.4 Notable Quotes

• “Even with a limping Crosby, he makes a difference...We have to understand who we’re talking about now. We not just talking about just a guy. We aint talking about a Jag.” – Chad Ochocinco (23:20)
• “You can never have enough pass rushers. That is an art form.” – Shannon Sharpe (33:08)
• “He’ll get you back on the field and let me get and let me break this record. 83 points, Ocho!” – Shannon Sharpe (55:20)

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2. Trey Hendrickson Signs with Ravens (11:59–24:50)

• Value Play:
  The Ravens shifted to sign Trey Hendrickson, a high-output pass rusher, on a lower-price deal with no draft compensation.
• Shannon’s House Metaphor:
  “Can I get you a similar house for about six to seven million dollars cheaper?” (16:57)
• Ocho’s Urgency:
  “I’m in the now...As a team, as an organization that continues to miss in the first round…How can I make a difference?” (19:52)
• Long-term vs. Short-term Vision:
  A running theme between the hosts: Ocho favors short-term impact, Shannon roots decisions in risk mitigation and future value.

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3. Bam Adebayo’s 83-Point NBA Game: In Defense (47:30–56:57)

3.1 Social Media & Kobe Comparison (47:30–54:11)

• Event Recap:
  Bam Adebayo scored 83 against the Washington Wizards—only the third player to surpass 80 (joining Wilt Chamberlain and Kobe Bryant).
• Backlash:
  Critics discrediting the feat due to high free throws and quality of opponent.
• Hosts’ Defense:
  Ocho: “If Kobe was here, Kobe would congratulate him…all the people taking up for Kobe are doing exactly what he wouldn’t do.” (49:02) Shannon: “It’s 83 effing points…We gotta stop this. Man, it’s 83 points.” (51:29)
• Unlikely Hero:
  “If you’d have thought somebody would get it, you’d say Luka…not Bam out of bio.” – Shannon Sharpe (51:30)

3.2 Broader Perspective

• “In 10, 20, 30 years from now, no one’s going to remember how many free throws he shot…All you remember is 83.” – Quoting Giannis, highlighted by Shannon (49:00)
• “Maybe because it’s Bam. Maybe if it’s Anthony Edwards, maybe nobody would be complaining.” – Ocho (54:11)

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4. Shakur Stevenson Interview: Boxing’s Next Moves (61:31–90:57)

4.1 Beating Teofimo Lopez, Fighting Style (61:54–66:10)

• “No, I didn’t think it was going to be that easy…Just did what I was supposed to do.” – Shakur Stevenson (62:05)
• Ochocinco: “He said it in the presser: I see weaknesses in your game and I’m going to expose them. And come fight night…all of the trickery…none of that work.” (62:21)
• On criticism about being “boring”:
  Shakur: “My style is not boring. My style is just…the fact that I make it easy. Guys can’t do nothing with me.” (64:44)
• Ocho’s defense: “Us purists…enjoy watching round by round, how Shakur is always two steps ahead.” (65:33)

4.2 Sanctioning Fees and Titles (66:10–67:03)

• Clarifies you must pay the WBC to keep a belt; admits fighters don’t know where the money goes.

4.3 Next Opponents & Weight Class Moves (67:03–75:21)

• Shakur is open to challenge, wants fan input:
  “My next opponent, I’m going to try to make sure it’s an opponent that my fans and the fans that dislike me want to fight.” (67:16)
• Willing to fight at 135, 140, but will move to 147 under specific conditions (rehydration clause).

4.4 On “Rehydration Clause” and Big Fights (69:47–75:21)

• Would consider a rehydration clause if fighting a naturally bigger man at 147. Max extra weight allowed post-weigh-in: “You only get 10 pounds.” (74:30)
• Willing to do catchweights for big matchups (e.g., 144 lbs with no clause).

4.5 On Clarissa Shields vs. Male Fighters (77:20–80:51)

• Shakur: “I think it’s hard for her to be able to beat a male fighter, but I would love to see it. If she believes it, I believe it.” (77:44)
• Shannon outlines biological differences but respects her skill.

4.6 Potential Future Fights

• Names Lamont Roach and expresses perennial willingness to fight the best at 135, 140, 144 (catchweight).
• Haney & Ryan Garcia discussed as possibilities, with rehydration clauses and catchweights as needed for fairness.

4.7 Notable Quotes & Banter

• “If you watch my last fight and you still thought it was boring, you’re gonna think Tim Duncan was boring.” – Shakur to Shannon (83:36)
• “We the names, we the big names. Why we need the belt?” – Shakur on superfights, not titles (83:02)
• Boxers’ inside challenge: Ocho wants to spar Shakur, jokes about his own “defense.”

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• On trusting the doctors:
  “Anytime you start getting $100 million, you know, you got to go to the owner with that…he’s gonna want to sit down with Dr. Curl...” – Shannon (25:56)
• Regarding Bam’s 83 points:
  “If Kobe was here, Kobe would congratulate him…only three people have scored 80 points. Wilt, Kobe, and Bam.” – Ochocinco (49:02) “It’s 83 effing points…We gotta stop this.” – Shannon (51:29)
• On ‘boring’ boxing styles:
  “My style is not boring. My style is…guys can’t do nothing with me.” – Shakur (64:44)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:54 – Start of content: Maxx Crosby trade saga recapped
• 10:36 – Ochocinco’s reaction to trade fallout
• 16:57 – Shannon’s “house” analogy on value
• 24:03 – Discussion on Ravens’ team-building philosophy
• 28:53 – Ochocinco on Ravens’ reputation
• 39:03 – Ravens’ options post-trade
• 47:30 – Bam Adebayo 83-point game segment starts
• 49:02 – Ochocinco on Kobe’s likely reaction
• 51:29 – Shannon Sharpe on why the feat deserves celebration
• 61:31 – Shakur Stevenson joins the show
• 64:44 – Shakur responds to “boring” boxing criticism
• 67:03 – Shakur on next potential opponents
• 74:30 – Shakur details his thoughts on rehydration clauses
• 83:02 – Shakur: “We the names…why we need the belt?”
• 90:57 – Shakur signs off

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Tone & Language

The hosts blend knowledgeable sports analysis, locker-room humor, and authentic engagement with both each other and their listeners. Their banter is friendly but never superficial; they lean into their own playing and fighting experiences to inform their arguments. Shakur Stevenson brings a confident, measured, and slightly playful energy, especially when poking fun at Ochocinco and debating boxing purism.

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Memorable Moments

• Ochocinco’s repeated campaign for Maxx Crosby to the Bengals and likening medical risk to poker.
• Shannon’s “house purchase” metaphor (16:57, 24:40) to dissect NFL contract risk.
• Ocho and Shannon’s impassioned defense of Bam Adebayo’s 83 points and their sharp critique of “Kobe stans.”
• Shakur Stevenson’s candid, fiery defense of his boxing style and openness to fan-picked fights.
• Fantasy sparring banter between Shakur Stevenson and Ochocinco.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode is a blueprint for sharp, unfiltered sports talk from athletes who know both the stakes and the human realities of top-level competition. Whether it’s the business and risks of NFL trades, giving props to unusual NBA heroes, or stripping down the art of boxing, Shannon and Ocho keep it “Nightcap real”—and Shakur Stevenson shows he’s as quick with the mic as he is in the ring.

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DaCosta added that losing Senator Tyler Lindenbaum to the Raiders of the Ravens began envisioning a possibility of pairing Crosby with Henderson, excuse me, with Hendricks, whom the team signed today. But Crosby's medical outlook prevented the possibility from materializing. Jane Slater reported that the Ravens consider renegotiating the Crosby trade to account for the team's discomfort with the edge rushes prognosis. Ultimately, however, the team opted to withdraw from the deal entirely. Ocho we don't normally see this now. The Ravens have been in a situation where, if I remember correctly, the Brock Marion, they really liked him but they had a Yoda issue. Michael Brockers had a knee issue and they rescinded. They rescinded the the deal that was on the table. But you're talking about a Max Crosby. He did have a meniscus injury. Reports are that he had been dealing with this all year. This happened and started bothering me in the off season. He played through it. He ended up having surgery and the type of her surgery that he has, that's somewhere between a three and a six month month recovery time and I don't know if it's a lateral meniscus or medial meniscus, but that is a long. Because he had it torn and I guess he had it repaired. If what the reports are true. That is a long. That's a big timetable. But that puts him on to be recovered probably around June. Ocho training camp starts about six weeks later in late July. So who knows? Like I said, could be early June, could be late June, but still he would have three weeks, and I'm almost sure he'd be a limited participant. And you kind of build him up to get him ready to go come September. When you heard that the trade for Max. Max Crosby had been rescinded, what did you think?

[Chad Ochocinco]

And you're like, okay, I've never seen anything like that. I've never seen anything like that. Especially a player like Matt Crosby. That's an impact player that makes your, your team exponentially better right away. Just his presence alone and the fact that it rescinded. I didn't know what was going on. And the first thing that, that, that dawned on me, well, maybe he failed his physical. Obviously, that, that's the only thing I could think of because I know a player, a player himself wouldn't say, you know what, I don't want to be here. And he lets the team knows. He doesn't. He, he rather wishes not to, not to be here. But once that did happen, I thought about it, well, understanding that he, they knew he had a knee issue. He, they knew about the, he had knee surgery. Knew about the knee surgery. I mean, I'm confused. What did you expect the physical to look like? Obviously he's in rehab. Obviously he's recovering. He would probably be ready in time for football season two play. And the fact that he played on it and had 10 plus sacks or maybe 10 sacks this season, and he was forced to sit out the last two games of the season, I think he would be okay. He would recover. So I'm, I'm confused on why they chose to do this, why they chose, you know, to rescind. To rescind him. Him being there. It makes no sense to me. And I like the fact that they were going to try to pair Hendrickson and Crosby together. Hell, that they, they would have been hell on wheels they were able to pull that off.

[Host]

Yeah, I, I, I think if you really look at it, Henderson might be a better pure pass rusher. But overall, I think because Crosby plays the run so much better than Hendrickson, I think he gives him a dynamic and, you know, you got to have somebody that can set the edge, and Max Crosby can set the edge, but he could also become very disruptive. Pressure your quarterback and get to your quarterback. Hendrickson, we've seen over the last couple of years in which he wasn't injured. You see the numbers that he's put up. He is a pure pass rusher. Drafted by the New Orleans Saints and ended up going to became a free agency and goes to Cincinnati and played extremely well. Um, reports are that he probably took a little less money to go to Baltimore, but I think there were some hard feelings. He was like, you had years to get this done. Now all of a sudden you want me because I could potentially be going to a division rival. Ocho, look, I agree with you and everything that you said they knew he had surgery. And maybe you looking at it because you're looking at it long term because you got Max cross, but I think you owe him one hundred and something million dollars on that contract. Now, if I'm not mistaken, I could be wrong in chat. Forgive me if I'm misspeaking. I think this is the only year in which he's had, he has guaranteed money on the contract. So now I'm looking at Ocho and he's only 29. Okay, yes, he had, he had surgery on the knee, but what doctors can see is that what you, to the naked untrained eye, can't see is degeneration. Now, it looks good this year, but what happens next year? And as we move on now you're talking about somebody that dealing with degeneration in the knee. Did you. So I got a very arthritic right knee, same thing with the left knee. And I got basically bone on bone on the lateral side, which is the outside. And I'm damn near bone on bone on the inside, which is the medial meniscus. And what has happened. As I've gotten older, stuff start to happen. This is what. And you see it with a lot of old people, Ocho. They didn't play sports. If I didn't just get older and cartilage starts to dissipate and you get that bone on bone. I'm fortunate enough to be in a situation where I can afford, you know, great medical care and I don't have to all this hang ups. I can go, okay, what's going on now? Insurance company wouldn't take care of whatever I had going on, so I had to pay for my own mri, no problem. And then I go to one doctor, he says, okay, you can do X, Y and Z. I go, come to the doctor out here. I'm in curling job and go to the Doctor that did my hips and he looks at it like. Well, she had to. Let me explain it to you. Is it X, Y and Z? So forth the song. But you know, you got degeneration, degenerative needs and eventually, hey, I'm not telling you anything that you didn't already know. You're going to have to have knee replacement. If not one, probably both of your knees. But the right knee that I'm looking at now, you're going to have to. So I think that's what the Ravens doctors are looking at. That okay. Yeah, this healing up properly. But we see some degeneration in this knee and that's never good because, you know, to be on the hook for a knee that could be just me speculating. I haven't talked to anybody, but I'm. As a doctor, you probably look at as Ravens like, hold on now. In order for this to make sense to us. Oo, because you got to realize what we giving up. We giving up the number 14 pick this year and who knows what that pick. You hope that if we. If the trade would have gone through, we somewhere 32. Ideally 32. If we give up the 32 pick next year. You know what that mean? Oho, we won the super bowl. Most definitely 31. That means we were in the Super Bowl. Honestly. 29, 30. 29, 30. Ocho weaving the championship.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm thinking about. You think about a player that's 29 years old. 29 years old.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

A player like Matt Crosby, that's a disruptor. He's been in the NFL for a few years and if you give, if you take an MRI, if you do an MI of all the players that have 8, 9 or 10, 10 years or more. I'm sure there's something alarming on everybody's mri. If you look at it, it always is. Nobody is 100% healthy. Everyone has issues, whatever it may be. I just know the Mac Crosby that we saw that was on the with the Las Vegas Raiders was an impact player and he made a difference every time he was out there. Even doing a losing effort, he was still a disruptor. He still was able to set the edge. He was still able to disrupt, disrupt the pass. Depending on who they were playing, it really didn't matter. No one can stop him. You can only hope to contain a player like Max. So to let him go because of what you see, you know, in an mri when he was already hurt last year and he's recovering, he has rehab and you doctors have the resources to get him as Healthy as possible. And, and you know what you get with a almost healthy or even 90% or 95% Mac Crosby and you let him go and understanding what he can do for your team and making your team exponentially better, you know, especially if you pair him with Henderson. I'm like, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't see. Listen, it's a business decision on their part. I just understand as great as he is, even with a messed up knee, where he's going to recover, where he's going to rehab, there's no way I, I sit him back and it, but obviously I. Listen, I don't own, I don't own the goddamn Ravens. It ain't my decision.

[Host]

You ain't got 100 plus billion dollars. But, but here's the thing. Oo, what if I told you you can get a very similar player. Hold up. And this is what they do. Oo, what if I told you I could get you a similar house for about six to seven million dollars cheaper. The payments will be cheaper monthly, pretty much the same house, maybe a, a 500 square foot different. But I'm it, but, but it's going to be probably over the course of it, I probably say you're about $28 million, but I'm gonna get you a very similar house right there. A two acre lot, nice size infinity pool, probably about 12, 000 square feet, seven baths, full baths, you know, two half baths, you know, eight bedrooms, gorgeous. A theater. If I told you I can get you a similar house to the one that you really love, but I'm gonna save you $28 million, would you be interested? And, and, and you're not gonna have to give up those two first round picks, would you? Could I.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You could, you could, you could. But I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm in the now, right now. I'm in the now. I'm not, I'm not worried about down, down the road. I'm trying to. If I'm playing poker, I'm putting all my cars on the table. I'm putting all the cars on the table and I'm trusting my, I'm trusting my doctors to an extent because I

[Shakur Stevenson]

want Max Crosby here.

[Host]

You got to.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I want Max Crosby here. We got. Goddamn. We got Trey Henderson in the building. We're negotiating his contract. We have Max in the building. I'm taking all my cards and I'm putting on the table. I'm out, I'm out.

[Host]

But here's the thing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm taking a gamble. I'm taking a gamble.

[Host]

I. I'm not taking a gamble with two first round picks. If I can get them at a lower rate, I would. I can. You talk about two. I'm not taking.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You talking about two first round picks. You don't know what you're getting. There's no. There's no telling. Those two first round picks didn't come in to make any goddamn difference.

[Host]

But what if his knee doesn't hold up this year? What if that knee is bad and then I'm stuck? What if that knee is like Dante Culpepper's knee? Then what do I do?

[Chad Ochocinco]

How did he look before they forced him?

[Host]

How did Dante c. We not talk about Dante Cu.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We talk about Max Crosby, the one that played all season.

[Host]

You got to base it on the medicals. Oo.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He was hurt all season long. He gave you 10 sacks. What are we talking about?

[Host]

No, he didn't. He gave.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They made him sit out the last two games.

[Host]

If you go back and look at it, look at the numbers. Trey Henderson vs Max Crosby, 2019 to where they are now. Who has more sacks? Who has a high pressure rate?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't have numbers in front of me.

[Host]

And I can get Trey Hendrickson. I can get Trey Hendricks from. For about five to seven million dollars a year cheaper. And I don't have to give up ish. So I can get Ocho. I can get you in this house, and you don't have to put a down payment.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I understand what you're saying, but. I understand what you're saying, but I'm looking at it. I'm looking at it from a different standpoint. As a team, as an organization, as a team, at an organization that continues to miss in the first round, as a team, in an organization that was horrible on defense last year, especially at the beginning of the season. How our. How bad our backing is or was, you know, constantly getting beat. How can I make a difference?

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm gambling this. Is this what. This is what it's all about?

[Host]

Oh, Trey Henderson. You make it seem like Trey Henderson is a bum. The man had 35 sacks.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm not calling him a bum. You know, I wouldn't do that. I'm just saying he had two.

[Host]

But I'm saying you. I'm not saying you are, but I'm saying you making it seem like Max Crosby is just exponentially. Hold on. This is not a Miles Garrett situation. If you talking about Miles Garrett okay, we have a conversation because that's a two time defensive player of the year and a guy that has like 121 sacks in like eight years.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But you mean to tell, you mean to tell me I get, I get the best of both worlds? I get the best of both worlds. And now on, on one hand I have a player who's injured, who just had surgery. But I understand what I get based off the small sample size of how I've seen him in Las Vegas and what he's done on an injured knee. I'm trusting in the pro, I'm trusting the process, I'm trusting the doctors, I'm trusting rehab, I'm trusting all you chance

[Host]

to trust who doctor. So why do you have the, why do you have those doctors on payroll if you're not going to trust them to properly evaluate players that are coming in that you're going to have to spend 100 plus million dollars and give up. First round pick this year, which is number 14 and next year's fourth rounder, a first rounder, I can understand. If it's 32, no problem. That means we won the Super Bowl. But, but, and I get it. Drew Brees had a very similar situation. Miami Dolphins flunked his shoulder on the physical. He goes to New Orleans and we see what happens.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now the same thing could happen. It could, same thing could happen. You know what? And, and, and, and for them causing this mess. This, this is what I'm hoping. Huh? This is what I'm hoping. I'm not a crystal ball. But most of the time since we've been on the show, you know, sometimes I've been right, I've been right 90, 98 of the time when I talk about players going certain places and it's come to fruition. You know what would be a funny thing that the bank could do? You know it would be a funny thing that the bank could do.

[Host]

The bank go get Max Croppy, they

[Chad Ochocinco]

can go get Matt Croppy. They could take that chance. They can trust in our doctors, they can trust in and hoping he's back. And knowing even with a non healthy Mac Crosby, we saw what he did last year, we saw what he did last year where the Raiders forced him to sit those last two games out. I would love for it to happen. I would love for it to happen.

[Host]

But the thing is, now you're saying I can get Max Crosby, I don't have a problem. I have a problem. If the knee is as bad as the Ravens doctor think it is, we don't know, I'm an untrained eye. You're an untrained now. But if it's as bad as the doctors and, and Raven, the Ravens believe it is. Two first round picks is off the table. Now he goes somewhere else and I have to give up a third round pick or a second and a fifth round pick. Now that's a deal. But two first round picks and gotta pay him $33 million a year. Come on, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I hear you, I hear you, Unc. But, but, but, but I, I'm, I'm willing, I'm willing to take the chance. I'm willing just like owners do all the time. They take chances.

[Host]

You're not going to be no gift.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But you have to think about though. Hey, Chat, stay with me real quick. You have to think opportunities like this to get a player that can change the direction of your franchise, especially defensively. Don't come around that often. Don't come around that often. Even with the limping Crosby, he makes a difference. We have to understand who we talking about now. We not just talking about just the guy. We ain't talking about a Jag.

[Host]

No, no, no, no, no. Don't help. He's the top five.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Exactly. So that's, that's why be a little hesitant. Okay? We got a little hiccup. Okay. We understand he had surgery, you know, and I, I, I, I don't know. I don't know. I'm, I'm not sure how I understand how you feel on it. I'm curious. I, I don't have my chat up. I'm curious to see what the chat thinks about it, but I, I would take that chance.

[Host]

They, I think they go, I think they're back and forth. OO now it could, it could be a total situation like this buys remorse. Like, damn, we gave up two first round picks. Number 14 pick this year. We don't know what 27 is going to be. We're going to have to pay him somewhere. 32, 33, $34 million a year and the knee situation. Or we can go get Trey Hendrickson, play him, pay him 5 to 7 million dollars cheaper per year and not give up anything. Ocho, I can get you in his house. No down payment.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Host]

And I'm gonna save you $28 million. So. Hey, and the thing is, you know, a house, I'm saving you $28 million and you don't have to put no money down.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I, I, you play poker. I'm not, I'm not a gambler, you know, you know, I'm. I'm cheap. I'm financially celibate.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm financially celibate. But in this situation, there's certain situations at the gm, as an owner, understanding how bad I was, understanding where my weaknesses are, especially defensively. And it all started. We talked about it all season goddamn long. Not only was the back end bad, Hell, they couldn't get. They couldn't get no goddamn pressure. Nobody. This is one where I'm folding. If I got a hand, I'm folding based on who the player is, regardless of what?

[Host]

That.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That.

[Host]

No, do you mean the pill? But you're gonna play the hand. Fold means you throw your cards in. Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm throwing my cars in on Crosby. He. He coming.

[Host]

Come on. Oh, come on. No. If you can't throw your cards in, you throw your cards in. Oh, now. Oh. So in other words, you said you shoving, you going.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I'm going all in with surgery. Whatever. Forget. Listen, okay? If the Costa. Is that his name? Dacosta?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I would listen to what the doctors say. Okay?

[Host]

What?

[Chad Ochocinco]

This is what you see. Okay. You know what? I'm taking a chance on him anyway. I'm taking a chance.

[Host]

I'm not. I'm not, so. Because anytime, you know, you start getting $100 million, you know, you got to go to the owner with that. So he's gonna ask. He's gonna come in there, he's gonna want to sit down with Dr. Curl. I know Leanne Curl. She was. She was the team doctor. She was there when I was there bringing her in. What do you think, Doc? Look, I understand the player that is, but it's risky.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I. I like. I like. Hey, I'm taking that risk. We ain't talking about just anybody. We talk about a top five player at his position. That can change. Can you imagine? Henderson on one side, Crosby on the other?

[Host]

Like, before you go any further, Diana Receded reported as part of the proposed trades for Max Crosby. The Ravens were also prepared to sign him to a revised contract that would have paid him near the top of past Russia's market. Max agent C.J. lA Boy responded with two words, Fake news. So everybody keeps saying that the. The goal, the objective was to sign Crosby and Hendrickson. Max Crosby's agent said basically that's not true. Crosby still could get traded, but he ain't. They not getting no first round on it. They're not getting no first. I don't believe they'll get a first round on it. Now, Ocho, now, because here's the thing with the Raiders. The Raiders spent quarter of a billion dollars bringing it. Excuse me, New players because they thought they would have Crosby number off the books. Yeah. Now the question is, do you rehab him, keep him, or do you try. Do you try to move him on you? I don't. I me personally, you're definitely not getting two first. I don't believe you can get a first, but maybe a second and a fifth.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Second. Second and a third. Second and third. Second and third.

[Host]

Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Mr. Brown. Mike Brown. I know we got a lot. I know we got a lot of Bangle fans in the chat. Hey, he coming to Cincinnati, huh? He could. He coming to Cincinnati. Why not? Why not? Make it make sense. And you know what I like? I like the fact that the Ravens did this. I like the fact that the Ravens played. Played this game. You know, so basically they telling you how they feel about you. Anyway, so what better. What better message? What better message?

[Host]

You go to the right, go to a division rival and then not only

[Chad Ochocinco]

that, now you got a chip on the shoulder. Now you done pissed him off, huh? Oh, so that's how y' all feel? Okay, I'm gonna show you. I'm gonna show you. And how can he get him back? He can get him back by his play on the field. You can get.

[Host]

Yeah. And that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's the type of player he is.

[Host]

Do you think this hurts Baltimore's reputation around the league to have a deal in place? Because the deal is not consummated until the player now he has to pass that team that's training for him. Doctors physical. They have to be okay with it. Do you think this hurts the Ravens reputation? Because prior to this, for the most part, the rep. The Ravens reputation has been. Yes, perfect, pristine.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, absolutely not. It's still the Baltimore Ravens. It's still a. It's still. They still are who they are. When it comes to business, when it comes to money, players are going to go where they're wanted. Players are going to go where they're valued. If money talks, they will be there. Now for us, the talking heads and those on the outside looking in, maybe we might feel this situation might ruin their reputation. But when it comes to business, when it comes to money and when it comes to. It's time to get paid and the team is willing to pay you, and if it happened to be the Baltimore Ravens and Mr. DaCosta and whoever else they going.

[Host]

Right. I agree with you, Ocho. I just think the thing is it became. You look at it like, damn, Two first rounders. I don't think anybody else had that kind of number. You hear Dallas had a first and a second. You hear some teams have some other picks, but nobody a first. Two first and. But still, even. Even. Even first when a guy coming off surgery. See, that's what. And I was telling you last year about Kirk Cousins, I said, ocho, you giving up $180 million guaranteed for a guy that's coming off Achilles, a quarterback that he wasn't mobile to begin with, and you draft the court and exacerbate the matter. You take a quarterback with the number 8 overall pick, and so that's what that was. My concern is that a guy that's come. If max Crosby was 100% healthy, Ocho, he had no surgeries. I think two ones is fine. But coming off the surgery, I'm a little more apprehensive that I would be had he not been coming off that surgery. I know sometimes you got to roll. You got to roll the dice. New Orleans was willing to roll the dice, but here the difference is with Drew Brees. Drew Brees didn't cost you any compensation. And basically it was a deal worth $10 million. Yeah, we're talking about a deal worth north of 100 million in two. First round.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, I understand it. I know what you feel. But those for those two first round picks, they ain't coming in making that kind of difference. Like Max, they ain't gonna make that kind of noise. If you get Matt Crosby at their healthy. I. I just know.

[Host]

So if. Look, he still could be dealt.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Oh, he gonna be.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's gonna be there, you know, right there. He gonna be at Covington Airport. I'm gonna pick him up. Don't worry about it. Yeah, I'm gonna pick him up. Don't worry about it.

[Host]

Which would be. It'd be very interesting. Don't show you. I mean, that could happen. But what if he goes to the Browns with Miles Gay?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, hell no. Hey, hey, come on, man. Hey, come on, man. Come on. Hey, hey, don't do that. Don't. Hey, don't. Don't. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Hey, just the thought of that, that's. That's nasty work. That's nasty work.

[Host]

Look, would I be surprised the Patriots get involved? Would I be surprised if the Eagles get involved? Is there a situation where the Bears could become involved? Anybody that think they're close, if they are past Russia away, I'm like, okay, we know two firsts. Are off the table. I'm not so sure a first is on the table. How do we get a deal done with how do we get a deal done between you and I with Max for Max Crosby? Ocho, you say you'd be willing to give him for two and a three. Okay, maybe a two and a three this year and a and a four or a fifth according to how he plays. The fifth goes to a fourth if he gets double digit sacks. X, y and z. But don't be surprised if somebody you like. Ah, man, how they let the eagles get this, man, how they let the Patriots get this, man? I mean, because I saw the Patriots, they let Anthony, Anthony Jennings go. Anthony Jennings go. Good pass Russia. Solid pass rushing, not great, but solid. Set the edge. You know, hey, the one thing that the patriots linebackers can do is set the edge. They're big guys. Set the edge great against the run and pressure a little bit. So now you get him and you get Chase on and you get Milton Williams got something or you pair him with. With the Bears, you got something. So it, it. Hey, Detroit, cuz, you, you hear somebody was looking at, I think was it the patriots or the eagles was looking at Grerd from Minnesota Vikings. He look, you can never have enough pass rushers. That's one thing you can never have. Just like pass catcher. You can't have enough of them. They're hard to come by. That is an art form. So Max, like he said, he. Dr. Neil Ellatroche curling Joe performed the surgery. He says he's tracking quite well. But at the end of the day, I don't think he's. That's what he's supposed to say. I think, you know, everybody's saying the agent said what he's supposed to say. The doctor that performed the surgery said what he's supposed to say. But at the end of the day, the Ravens and their medical staff have to feel comfortable enough when they go to Steve Bashadi because Steve Bashadi is going to be cutting the check in excess of probably $100 million. 33 million dollars this year is guaranteed. No guaranteed money. On the Dallas Cowboy. Head team trainer Daniel Cooper was instrumental in the Ravens backing out of the trade. Cooper, who's a knee specialist, guess what, Ocho. He did the Patrick Mahomes surgery. Normally he does surgery that's really, really complicated. The Patrick Mahomes surgery. You remember Jalen Smith? He signed up on the Jalen Smith.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Host]

Yep. Malik neighbors. He reviewed Crosby's recent niche surgery MRI and deemed it Too risky. Oh, man, now you're talking about. You talking about. Because here's the thing. When. You know, when you like the kind of money that these teams have, they're sending you to the best of the best. Whatever. What the spine, Got a head, got a foot, got a knee, got a back. Whatever it is, you going to the best, you ain't going to. They. If you got something going on, they can't figure it out. They send your ass to John Hopkins, they sending your ass to the Mayo Clinic, they sending you to MD Anderson, they sending you to the Cleveland Clinic, they sending you to the best of the best. And. And it's like, that's why they command. That's why they get the big bucks. That's why they get the big bucks. And most of the guys. You go into the curling job office, and you look up there, them jerseys on the wall, you see Aaron Donald, you see curtain. Clayton Kershaw, you see Verlander, you see Cooper Cup. And you see if it's somebody. Russell Westbrook, you see those jerseys on the wall? Thanks, Doc. Gave me my career back, got my life back.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You understand why I got you. I just. Hey, I see them doctors.

[Host]

They.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Man, hey, let me. You know, see, young man, I'm. I'm hot, boy. I'm hot. I'm.

[Host]

I'm hot.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm hot.

[Host]

But now y'. All. Now you guys might be in place.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. I just don't like that. You know how to. Doctors. To me, it. It almost seems like, you know, not other doctors from other teams are speaking out about it and. And speaking about the knee and like it's decreasing his value and what he can get and what his worth is. I hate that. I don't like the fact that they're diminishing. You know, this young fellow who had. Who had rehab, who had surgery and is trying to do everything he can to get himself back into the playing shape and playing form, and now we got all these doctors, and I just.

[Host]

That's what they do, Ocho. I mean, teams like, if you got a back injury, more times than not, Dr. Watkins is going to do it to do the surgery. If you got foot problems, you go into the guy Anderson, I think is in Charlotte. Hey, they got. They pay these guys. They put these guys on retainer, and they pay these guys a lot of money. You mess up, they're gonna fire your ass. They will fire you. There's a reason why.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Dr. Andrews, you see what happened with the Dolphins, right? With Drew Brees. Now, this could be the same thing they say. Oh, no. They said, stay away from Drew. They. And look what he turned out to be. This could. This could. This could possibly be. I'm. I'm just saying I understand what the doctors are saying.

[Host]

It could be.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I understand these doctors.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Know, they get paid the big bucks. Everybody heals differently. Now what you see might not be the way or the outcome in which you think based on what you see as a doctor, it might not affect them ever again.

[Host]

Mike. Max Crosby tweeted. Everything happens for a reason. Believe nothing you hear and half of what you see. I'm a Raider. I'm back. Run that ish.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn

[Host]

me personally, Ocho. I think there's a greater chance he's on some other roster. Eagles, Bengals, the Patriots, Chicago. I think there's a greater chance he's on run of those roster as as opposed to State. Now he could. He could. He could.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'mma tell you what my grandma used to tell me uncle, long time ago. Tell me, boy. When you speak, you got to understand that the tongue is powerful and you got to speak things into existence.

[Host]

Power in the tongue, you know, And.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And. And today, you know.

[Host]

Oh, you f. He tried to speak. He tried to speak to Cosby, to the.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, man. But by the powers invested in me, I'm.

[Host]

I'm.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm hoping and praying that. That brother Cosby, I. Hell, he might be watching the show. Come on down here to Cincinnati, man. We. We gonna take good care of you, huh? Hell, you can have my goddamn knees. I don't need them no more.

[Host]

Come on, brother Crazy. That's what you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He got. He got a chance.

[Host]

What. What if. What if Cleveland jump in on it?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, that ain't gonna happen. They got. They got Brother Miles. They got. They got Brother Miles.

[Host]

Just imagine him and Miles on what's me on one side, they have too

[Chad Ochocinco]

many pieces they need to pay. On the offensive side of the ball, they don't need to be. They don't need to worry about nothing else.

[Host]

Defense, it seemed like they going to the draft because they damn sure haven't done a whole lot.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. As far as quiet over there, it's quiet over there.

[Host]

Now, it could be a situation where I'm thinking Philly. Hey, man. Hey, Patriots. What y' all want? What y' all gonna give us, A.J. the reports are they're holding sturdy. Sturdy on a first round pick.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, I don't.

[Host]

I don't see what doesn't seem to be. No one's biting on that how you

[Chad Ochocinco]

not going to bite on it? I mean, I'm. We. We know what he is. We know what he can do. We know what he is. We know what he can do. Not too long ago, he was just the top five receiver in the NFL based on the production. Now, the production wasn't the same. We know why the production wasn't the same. That's neither here nor there. We don't need to get into that. We have a discourse on that. You know, first round pick for A.J.

[Host]

brown.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What do we talk about makes us that much better. But hell, Romeo Dobbs. Romeo Dobbs went to the. Went to the Patriots.

[Host]

The Patriots. Yes. I think the thing is, look, it seemed like Cleveland's loading up on Lyman and I know they were loaded. They got, they got. Yes. Loafers alignment, Elkin Jenkins. I think they got another guy from Green Bay. That seems to be what they're doing, Ocho. They haven't really gotten the skill position players we know in. Joku's leaving and, and we feel that they need. Look, they got Harold Fanning, who had a fabulous season. I think they need some help. I think they need some receiver help. I think they need a stud receiver. Now, I don't know if AJ Wants to go there, but that would be a great place. You gonna get targets. They might be inconsistent because until Shador grows and matures into that position or Andrew Barrett said that, look, we're going to put this thing up and it might be between Shador and Watson, Deshaun Watson, I don't know. But dealing with Crosby, I, I think I, I see both sides of the prism. I see what you're saying. You said, hey, he been so good, man. Hey, I, I'm willing to shove all in. I'm gonna go all in. I understand the risk that are. That is involved, but I'm willing to absorb those risks to get a player of Max Crosby. I also understand the Raven said, man, this is an awful lot of money and we got to give up two first round picks for a player that our team staff, our medical staff is saying has a degenerative knee. I see both sides of the equation. I'm glad. I'm glad. See, I won't. Easy decisions. I won't. I won't. I want LeBron James coming out. Yep, I got him. I want. I want Shaq coming out. Yep, I got him. I want Tim Duncan coming out. Yep, I got him. I want it easy, Ocho, man, you know what? Matthew Stafford coming out. I got Stafford. I got it away. I want to leave it like that. O Joe. I don't want to have like. Damn,

[Chad Ochocinco]

that's a, that's a part of the game. That's the right. That's right.

[Host]

Jamar. Jamarcus Russell or, or Calvin Johnson. I wanted Peyton Manning or, or Ryan Lee. I don't want it like that. I want to slam dunk.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's never like that.

[Host]

I don't want. Hey, oh, yo, I don't want those. I don't even want a free throw. I want a slam dunk. I want Shaq. I want Duncan.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I want LeBron.

[Host]

I want Stafford. I want Elway. I want. I want it easy. And, but this. That's why you bet your big bucks. I mean, everybody talking about, oh, it's easy. It's easy. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Oh, yo, we're lost. It feels like we're going round in circles. I'm gonna ask that man for directions. Hi there. We're trying to get to the state fairgrounds.

[Julian Edelman]

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[Host]

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[Host]

o o.com Bam historic 83 point night against the wizard last night presented fans with a choice of force aside look, you had to pick a side you celebrated or you audited. Many are discrediting it because the opponent, the Wizards, are the second worst in the East. Others are discrediting it because the Heat had filed late in the fourth quarter to help extend the game. Kobe took 46 shots in his legendary game, three more than Bam. And made 18 or 20 free throws. Bam. Took 46 free throws to Kobe's 20. Bam. Pierce came to his defense, Katie said. I looked at the stat sheet. It was pretty crazy. 40 shots, 40 free throws, 20 threes. But that takes a lot of stamina, man. Huge accomplishment. It will be something we talk about forever. Yana says. It doesn't matter how you got there. All that matters is that you got it look like in 10, 20, 30 years from now no one's going to remember how many free throws he shot. I don't think anyone remember how many shots Kobe shot or how many free throws or he made or how many threes. All you remember is 83. Toronto Raptors record when Kobe broke his record. They were 14 and 26 at the time on January 22, 2006, the 12th worst in the E there was 12th in the East, 4th worst there was 12th in the East,14 4th worst in the East. So what you thinking Ocho? Because a lot of people, everybody talking about, man, out of respect for Kobe, he should have stopped it for 81. Y' all know the way y' all talk about Kobe, is that what you

[Chad Ochocinco]

know what, I'm glad you just said that. The first thing, the first thing when I when I watched Twitter, when I Seen some of the stuff on Instagram is if Kobe was here, Kobe would congratulate him. Kobe would be happy for him. And all the people, all the people taking up for. For Kobe or are doing exactly what he wouldn't do. So I understand. I understand. We are real Kobe fans. We love him. The fact that he had 81 point game, but only three people have scored 80 points. Wilt Kobe and Bam. And Kobe would have been happy for him. We know how he is. He celebrated everybody, especially when they hit a milestone of this magnitude, regardless of how you got it, it's still 83 points. It's still 83 points. And some people, and this is one of, one of the few times I don't understand why don't, why, why don't we celebrate things like this?

[Host]

I'm not Kobe fans.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That too. I'm not much of a basketball fan.

[Host]

That's not the record when Kobe scored 81. That the. The record is 100. So somebody needs to score 101 or more points to have the record. 81 is not the record. I don't get it. Oo it's like anything. Sometimes people break records and it takes some more games. Like when O.J. simpson broke the record. He broke the record in 14 games. Eric Dickinson broke the record in 16 games. Somebody's going to come along. If they break the record, it's going to take 17 games. So whatever record happens moving forward. And this is what they try to do to Miles. They like, well, he did it in 17 games. It's the NFL record. Sack record. That is the record. But this notion and I saw when they announced it in. In the fan, in the. In the Crip, they were booing. Why? Yeah, I don't care if the yes. See this Kobe had a chance because there are games that Kobe had 60 plus and he came out in the third quarter. I like Spo supposed to say the way he had it going. I wasn't even thinking about taking him out. And I instructed, I instructed the team, let's see how many we can get him. It happens. Ocho, you having a good game? The game to had that was on Jerry Rice's day. 20 catches, Brandon Marshall, 21 catches. Josh McDaniel says, hey, we gonna lose this game, but we gonna get you the record. I don't have a problem with it, Guy. Come on, man. We gotta stop this, man. It's 83 effing points. And I get it. That Bam is probably the unlikeliest guy. If you'd have thought somebody will get it you say Luca.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah.

[Host]

Say Donovan Mitchell. You say Dame Lillard. You saying somebody like that, that's gonna make 10, 12, 15 threes. You're not faking no Bam out of bio. Bam. I don't think Bam is averaging 20 points. If you go back and look at the guys that got those kind of numbers that all those guys at the high 20s, even 30s, Lucas been in the 30s, James. Dave Lillard has averaged 30, Kobe averaged 35. So when you see will average 50 in a game, 44 in the game, 38 in the game. So it's somebody like that. I think it's because he's so unlikely to have done something like this. He does. I mean, and you look at him, he's not, he's never. I don't even know if he's ever scored 50 in a game. I don't even know if he's ever scored 40 in a game. To go from your high being something in the 30s to all the way to 80s, that is crazy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It was dope to me. It was dope to see. I didn't, I didn't believe the stat line when I first saw it. I thought, I thought it was. Thought it was AI. You know, when I saw the 80s.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And then I saw go across the ticker on espn, I'm like, oh man, that's dope. That's. That, that is dope. And I, I was happy. I was hyped. And then I go on Twitter.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm like, well, God damn. People writing think pieces and, and defending Kobe.

[Host]

This, this 83 is different. This 83 is different than Kobe's 81. Kobe did, bro. It's 83. It's 80 points. And I mean, I think the thing is Ocho is somebody that they could. They got a career high of 75 yards and all of a sudden they have a 300 yard game. You're like, how do you get a 300 yard game? The most you ever receiving yard you ever had in the game was 75. And now you got 300, you jump. So you jump over 150, 200, 250 to go from 75 to 3. And I think that's what it is because. And the amount of free throws, I think the most free throw somebody's ever shot in the game was probably what, 38. I think the white Howard shot that minutes. I mean check. Check me for. But 46 free throws. And they was, they was trying not to. I mean I saw, I saw clips and they got three people on him and they don't want him to get it.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Hey, it's crazy.

[Host]

Y' all should have thought about that earlier before you let the man get 31 in the first quarter. How about that? Then that's the time that you say, you know what? You ain't no more, bro. You let the man get 36 of the quarter. I mean, 31 and a quarter. Then you let him get another 12, so he got 43. Now you let him get another 19. So now you. Not. Now you're gonna get in trouble, and you let him get 21 in the fourth.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's. I. I don't. I don't. I don't understand it. I mean, it. It's as if. I mean, it's still basketball. It's still. Yeah, it is the best. And then, you know, they move the goal post. They move the goal post. Maybe because it's Bam. Maybe. Maybe if it's Anthony Edwards, maybe nobody would be complaining.

[Host]

I guarantee. I bet your doorknob to a bucket of cowbonor Ocho, had he. If LeBron had 81 and Bam broke that, what you think the discourse would be on the Internet? How many people would be throwing a ticker tape parade that have been applauded? You know that, and I know that you know that, but because it was Kobe, Kobe would. Kobe would have applauded this man. Oh, hold on. Y' all don't remember when Kobe dropped 55 on Jordan and he idolized Jordan? How can he do his idol like that? Because Kobe said he would want it. No other way. Kobe, I believe Kobe would have been pissed had. Had. Had a bam come out of the game with 80 or tied with him at 81. Nah, hell no. If I'm smoke, I'm leaving him in the game. I will see if he can get 90.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Absolutely.

[Host]

I will see if he. I'm honestly going to see if he

[Chad Ochocinco]

can get 90 points about it is all those that are Kobe fans, they have a right to be Kobe fans, but they don't have Kobe's mentality. They don't have that.

[Host]

No.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They don't have mentality.

[Host]

No.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know how he operates. You know how he thinks, and you know that he would have actually wanted that.

[Host]

Of course. And look, that man. Look, I don't know how you feel, Ocho, but I know if I got. Let's just say that the record is339.339 or 336. 336 by flip flip Anderson got the record. Ocho, you mean to tell me I Don't give a damn if it's a meaningless game. Oh, hey, hey, hey, Shannon, you got 334. What you want to do? I want to go back. Hey, let them score a touchdown and let me get back in there and get 337. That's what you do. Are you something. Something needs to happen that I need to get back on the field and throw and let me get. And let me break this record. 83 points, Ocho. 83. I mean, I'm just thinking I like man and like KD saying do think about it. That man shot the ball 43 times and then he took another 43 free throw attempts. He took 22 three point attempts. Do you know how much stamina it takes to run up and down the court in this issue? I tell you what, you think it's easy? Just hey, just get you a nice little job and go shoot. 80 and go shoot.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, he in good shape now.

[Host]

And 22 of me.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's in good shape now.

[Host]

That's what makes Steph Curry so spectacular. Think about how much money he does and then how many threes he get up. Congratulations. Bam. I didn't think. I mean, look, and like I said, because he's so unlikely, if Dame Lillard did that, you wouldn't think anything else. Okay, okay. I got joy now. It's time. We're lost.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It feels like we're going round in circles. I'm gonna ask that man for directions.

[Host]

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[Host]

Welcome. He's an undefeated professional boxer with a record of 25 0. He's an Olympic silver medalist in the 2016 Olympic A4 division world champs. 126, 130, 135, 140. He's trained by his grandfather, Wally Moses. Recently he defeated Teofimo Lopez for the welterweight title. Shakur Stevenson. Shakur. How you doing, bro?

[Shakur Stevenson]

What up? What up, huh?

[Host]

I'm good. I'm good, bro. Thanks for joining us tonight. If you dominated Teofimo, did you think the fight was going to be that easy? Because he is. I mean, he's a champ.

[Shakur Stevenson]

No, I didn't think it was going to be that easy. I think I thought it could have been that easy. But I also knew, like, Tfmo was tough and he was going to bring his best. And honestly, I think just God showed up and did what he always do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, nah, nah, nah. Hell nah. He tried. He trying to play humble. He tried to play humble because he said. He said it in the presser. He said in the presser, I see weaknesses in your game and I'm going to expose them. And you're going to see fight night. And come fight night, all the things that Tio was able to get away with were other opponents that weren't as skilled. All the trickery, all the fakes and all the, all the, all the faints, none of that work. And so Shakur did his homework and that's why the fight looked the way it did.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Not 100, 100 on. Like I said, I just did what I was supposed to do. But I did, I did think it could happen that way. You're right. I didn't think it could happen that way.

[Host]

So you thought you could pitch because I had you ever shut up? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how they gave him around. Maybe they was feeling sorry for him. Like, damn, we can't have our champ lose all 12 rounds, we got to give him something. But it looked like you pitched the shutout, because everything that he tried to do, you had a counter. It was like you was. It was like you knew that. Like, you knew the answers to the test because you had already read the test.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I watched it. I watched him fight probably, like, every day in training camp. And I seen, like, so many different, like, weaknesses in his game to where I'm like, okay, if he do this against me, I'm gonna destroy him. Or if he do this again,

[Chad Ochocinco]

when

[Shakur Stevenson]

I see him bust the same moves that I seen on camera, it just made it so much easier. It made it so much easier, but it was an easy night of boxing. I appreciate Tia, Female even, for stepping in the ring with me, because a lot of fighters don't. So shout out to him.

[Host]

Anyway, let me ask you this. There have been a lot of. There's been a lot of discussion around your fight style. I don't think anybody questions your level of greatness, because, like you said, you are the amateur. You go to the Olympics, you want a gold medal, you want a silver medal. But some me, if you got upset at me, I said, look, and Ocho and I, we was having a discussion after the Teofimo fight. I said, ocho, he's great. I said, the way he can get in there, and he makes. He makes great fighters look average. I said, but his style is not. I mean, his style. I said, bro, I can't. I can't pay money. I want to see a little bit more action. And you got upset with me. What do you say about people that say your style is boring? They're not saying that you're not great. They say your style of fighting.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I mean, that's your opinion. I can't really take away from your opinion. I hear you say it. So when you say it, I probably throw back at you and talk a little bit. That's your opinion. You can have your opinion, but truthfully, my style is not boring. My style is just the fact that I make easy. Like, guys can't do nothing with me. It's like, you could. You can name all the best fighters in my weight class, but if you put them in the ring with me, they all might look like tfimo. Like tfimo just damn wanting to step in the ring so anybody don't look

[Host]

like that, Tank gonna look like that. Keyshawn Davis gonna look like that.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Hey, I ain't gonna disrespect my brother. I love my brother, okay? We be smart all the time. We, we good work. But like I said, anybody that pay attention to the sport of boxing, they love the sport of boxing. They gonna love my.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I told you. You heard what he said. Anybody that paid attention to the sport of Bo, of boxing, they would love his style. That's what our argument was about. It's you, the, the casual fan that always looking for the, the Tank Davis knockout, the Mike Tyson knockout, but us purists that enjoy and watching round by round, how Shakur is always two steps ahead of whoever he's fighting, which is why it looks the way it looks and it looks so easy. I mean, it's, it's you, you actually have to understand the sweet science in itself and understand what you're watching to appreciate what he's been able to do.

[Host]

There have been discussion with the wbc. They took your title because I think they, they wanted you to pay. So, so get, let me get this straight. There's a sanctioning fee. If you have a bill, you have to pay X amount of dollars, correct?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah. If you got a belt, you got to pay X amount of dollars for having about. Yeah, for sure.

[Host]

So, so, so what does that, what does that money go towards? So I got, I got it. So if I got like five or six belts, I gotta pay 5, 6, $700,000 to keep the belts.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah. I don't know what they do with the money that's on the wbc, but from my point of view, they could tell you whatever they want because you don't know what they do with the money. We don't see what they do. I'll be hearing that they be paying for hotels and all kinds of different stuff with their money, so. Well, with my money, basically. So

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't know what's, what's next, what we got lined up? I mean, we have, we have anything, any fights coming up. Anybody. You, you, you might want to fight. Talk to me.

[Shakur Stevenson]

No, we ain't got nothing lined up yet. We looking over the scenery. We trying to see what opponents is doing what. And we just watching. We watching and paying attention. Now, my next opponent, I'm gonna try to make sure it's an opponent that my, my fans and the fans that dislike me want to fight.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, when you, but let me now say, when you talk about your next opponent, do you want someone that is a, is a, is a superior challenge, like a Tia Formo Lopez or you want to have a tune up fight before another big mega fight?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Nah, I want to fight whoever I'll fight whoever. I'm down to fight the best fighters. Y' all name them. You know, the fans could come up with a. What's that little post?

[Host]

Y' all put a wish list together who y' all want to see Shakur fight?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, we could go by the polling, and whoever they say is the best, I. I'll fight them.

[Host]

Are you gonna. Are you. Look, look, you. You took. You took down Teofimo at 147. Are you interested in going back down? Or you gonna go to 34? You're gonna go to 35. You go to 30, go back down to 120. So what are you looking to do?

[Shakur Stevenson]

35 and 40 is my weight class. I run that. So both weight classes is mine. And until somebody dethrone me, it will be my weight class. So tell them, come see me.

[Host]

Now, you do realize that. You do realize that Tank and keyshawn Is them 140 boys?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yo, I'm just saying.

[Host]

I've been saying she could. Not that. You know that.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Oh, me and Keyshawn not gonna fight each other, so it ain't no point of mentioning.

[Host]

Okay, okay, so. So now that leaves you and Tank. Who else at the 140 that you would be a 135 that you would be interested in banging with?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Lamar?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Anybody? I would love to fight Lamar Rose. Me and Lamar Ro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That'd be a nice chess match right there, boy.

[Host]

Cause all.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Hey, the best versus.

[Host]

Let. Let me ask you a question, Shakur. A real talk. You think. You think Roach beat Tank? Yeah, I know Ocho and I said the same thing. I said, I like Tank.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Once he took that knee. Once he took that knee. After that, it's. It's impossible for the judge.

[Host]

He was beating me.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, but once you take the knee, the scorecard should look different in favor of goddamn Lamont at that point.

[Host]

Yeah, it's a ten, eight round.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I thought. I thought without the knee, he. He won that fight.

[Host]

That's what I said to Ocho. I said, because with the knee, that's a 10, eight round. It's a no brainer. Now what are we even discussing?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, for sure.

[Host]

So now you don't. We don't. You're not gonna fight Keyshawn. So Lamont, Roach and Tank Day you did mention. And. And doing some research, you know, I gotta. I gotta go do research. I gotta go do research. You said a rehydration clause. A rehydration clause. Now, my research shows Canelo has done it three times against Daniel Jacobs. Sergi Kovalev and Rocky Felding. Tank did it against Mario Barrios and he did it against Ryan Garcia. Chris Eubanks Jr. Did against Connor Ben and Triple G did against Daniel Jacobs. The re. The. The hot. The rehydration clause. That means you would have. You go probably fight. If you fight Ryan Garcia, you're gonna fight him at 147. Ryan is a naturally big guy. You're a naturally small guy. I mean, you, you won the silver medal at 126. So you had to put on 14 pounds just to make the 140. It had to put on 21, 21 pounds to go to 47. Ryan was going to strip down. Ryan probably walks around. What you think he walks around at 165. 170.

[Shakur Stevenson]

170.

[Host]

So now he's going to come down to 147. Now when he reef refuel, rehydrate, he could easily. He could easily rebang back to 160, 165. Easy. Easy.

[Shakur Stevenson]

172.

[Host]

So you want to say, okay, so if you put the rehydration clause, you will say, okay, you can't go over 152. You can't go over 155. Where are the numbers that you feel comfortable like, he ain't. He ain't 25 pounds heavier than I am, but you feel you can get the best while not stripping him of everything?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Nah, honestly, I don't even want to do the rehydration clause.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I know, like, social media kind of made that a big thing.

[Host]

Okay.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I was speaking hypothetical when I said it, but okay. He went in the interview and he said that he'll fight me at 140 pounds.

[Host]

So I can't make no 140.

[Shakur Stevenson]

We don't know. We don't know. We don't know what he could do.

[Host]

See what I'm saying? Record. You know that man, you say the man walk around at 170. You want to bring the man down 30.

[Shakur Stevenson]

He said that he will fight me at 140. I'm just going, just talking. So if he said it like, what. What am I supposed to do?

[Host]

So. So you'll have a rehydration clause at 140.

[Shakur Stevenson]

No, I don't want a rehydration clause.

[Host]

Oh, you know, so if he comes down to 140, you don't want the rehydration clause. Only if he comes down to 40. Only if he comes down to 47, you have to go up to 47. Do you want the cloth or you don't want the clause at all?

[Shakur Stevenson]

I only want the clause if I go up to 147, but I don't plan on going up. So at the end of the day, I don't. I don't need the clause. We can fight at 140.

[Host]

You think that man can make 140, Shakur?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Honestly, I mean, I'm just telling you off of his words.

[Host]

I know what you. I know what he.

[Shakur Stevenson]

What he said that he can't make 140. He said he can. As long as he lock in and take it serious,

[Host]

man, I'll. You know, Shakur, you know, like, once you start, like, it's like once you go up to those weights and you start fighting now, you start fighting at that weight. As you start to get older, it gets harder to strip that weight off you. You're young. You could easily go back down to 130 if you wanted to, because you're not. You're not a naturally big man. You don't walk around at 150. You probably walk around, I'm assuming, probably 140, 142, maybe more like one. You probably in the 130s. So you like that Floyd. You got that Floyd syndrome. Floyd walked around at 150, get down to 147, tear everybody ass up.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I can't tell you my walk around weight, but like I said, if you want to fight at 140. Or we can do a catch weight at 144 pounds.

[Host]

Okay,

[Chad Ochocinco]

I like that. Without catch weight at 144, but not Ryan Garcia, a catch weight at 144. You think Connor, Ben could get down still even though he's fought at heavier weights? You think?

[Shakur Stevenson]

No, I wanna. I wanna fight him at 147 with the rehydration because he. No, because he did that to.

[Host]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

The world kind of like gave him credit for the win, but at the end of the day, Eubank was kind of drained in the ring, so let him deal with it with me.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, so, hey, so. So you're. You're getting there. And rock with what kind of being, huh?

[Shakur Stevenson]

At 47 with a rehydration.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, I like that.

[Host]

Hey, so let me.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I want to see that. I want to see that.

[Host]

I. I want to see. So when you say rehydration, how. How many pounds are you willing to give to let them go? Because it's been as low as three and a half, and then some people say 10. So how far are you willing to go? How much wiggle room? Or will you give someone on a rehydration clause?

[Shakur Stevenson]

You only get £10.

[Host]

That's the max. You're gonna. That's the max. But I've seen. I think. I think the first. I think I've seen three and a half. At one point, it was like three and a half. But the max is 10.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, 10. Yup. 10 is good.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey. Hey. Huh?

[Host]

So you fight him at 147. He can't get back up to about 157. You're gonna probably. It's gonna be hard as hell for you to make 147.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Me?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I can make 147 right now.

[Host]

I definitely know. But I'm saying. But. But I'm saying that's probably your. What? Like, I'm saying, you. You walk around in the mid-40s. You're not gonna tell us, but looking at your frame, looking at your clavicles, you're not a naturally big man, Shakur. So it's gonna be either for you to always make those lower weights. That 140, 147, that's nothing for you. You ain't got to do nothing. You go to camp with two weeks and make 47.

[Shakur Stevenson]

That's true. You right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey.

[Shakur Stevenson]

That's true. Hey, you know who.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know who can make 147?

[Host]

Man, your big ass can't make no 147, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Man, I'll piece you up. Man. Don't. Don't play with me, man. Don't. Don't do that, man. Don't do that.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Hey, hey, hey, man, set the sparring up, man. I've been waiting.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I've been asking you for two years as far. You scared of me?

[Shakur Stevenson]

You scared, like, every time I see you. We rocking out, man.

[Julian Edelman]

Nah.

[Host]

And don't let him get no headgear. Don't let him put no hair.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't need no hair gear. I'm polished. I'm polishing the ring.

[Shakur Stevenson]

We both don't need a head game.

[Host]

Hey. Cause you saw. You saw what Keyshawn did to Blue Face, right, Shakur? Yeah, that's how.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey.

[Host]

I won't coach your come back looking like Tommy Hearns when he fought Martin.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I have a boxing background. The past nine years. I'm good. I'm ready.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You don't think Blue Face box.

[Host]

Yeah, he boxed. And Blue Face, like, Blueface say he like 215.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Shakur.

[Announcer]

You.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You do. You. You see this? This What? What? Come on, man.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm just saying, though, like, nah, he box. He a boxer.

[Julian Edelman]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All right.

[Shakur Stevenson]

When you get in there with them boxers, it's a different story, man. I'm telling you, the real, like, elite level fighters.

[Host]

Yes. Is there any truth? Because they say, like, you're about to sign a three fight deal with Zephyr for, like, 60 million. Is there any truth to that?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Say, not that I know it, but they gonna give me 60 million, call my phone.

[Host]

So. Man, you see, that's why I can't believe nothing on the Internet, because they had you up there talking about you about to sign with zo for a three fight deal for 60 million.

[Shakur Stevenson]

She send that to my man. Listen here, man.

[Host]

Hey, you, like, you only need no agent. I have that by myself.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Hey, follow me. I'm ready, man.

[Host]

Look, the last. The last three or four days, Internet's been blowing up. We had Clarissa. Clarissa said that she could be rolling. And I know that's your girl. Y' all was at the. Y' all was that. Y' all was at the Olympics together. But Shakur, keep it above. See, you already laughing. You already laughing.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Listen up, listen up, right? Honestly, you know, I think it's hard for her to be able to be a male fighter, but I would love to see it because she campaigning it. And, like, if she believe it, I believe it. So I believe in her at the end of the day, so I would love to see it.

[Host]

You do realize, man produce testosterone. They have longer bones that have harder punching power.

[Shakur Stevenson]

What if he don't hit Clarissa? What if he don't hit her?

[Host]

You gonna go to hell, you know, for lying, you go to hell. That's what the Bible teaches us. I know you a man of the blood. The Bible teaches us.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Man, tell her to come to training camp with me. She is not gonna get touched.

[Host]

He gonna cut the ring off. Even. Even. Even at his. Even at that weight. Let's just say he. She fights it. I think she said she fight. She fought this last fight at 175. I think she said she can get down to 165. Let's just say for the sake of argument, she gets down to 165, he's at 140. His body still produces more testosterone than hers. His bones are still longer than hers. It's like Serena. Serena, all her partners, her. Her hitting partners were men.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah.

[Host]

She couldn't beat a 250th ranked man.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You know, it's crazy. I agree with you, though. Like, I. I agree with what you're saying. All I'm saying is Clarissa Shields is different. So with her being as good as she is and her skill set, I just wouldn't count her out with anything that she do.

[Host]

But, Shakur, you do realize to throw punches, you got to open yourself up. And a man. Re. A man reflexes are quicker than a woman. Now, she done got knocked down even by a woman. He touches her.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I can't argue anything that you're saying because you're saying facts. Like what you're saying is true.

[Host]

Okay?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Telling you that Clarissa Shields is not a normal woman. She's not the same woman as every other woman.

[Host]

So I would feel comfortable if she had 18 fights. She had 15, 16 knockouts. I said, well, maybe she can hit. Because I think the thing was, when we looked at Bud, because a lot of the people say, well, man, what if Bud going up in weight buzz. A naturally big. Bud is a naturally big man. Bud walk around a big ass. Wait, people think Bud small? I said, I was in there wrestling with him. I said I was tired as hell trying to throw his. Look, I said. I said, but when Bud touched Canelo, Canelo, like, damn, he got his attention. He got his respect immediately. If Carissa can't get his respect, and. And like I said, if she. And 18 fights and she had 16 knockouts, I would say, you know what? She might can get his respect. I don't know how she. I don't know how she keep him off of her.

[Shakur Stevenson]

What if she defend herself well, hit him and she don't get touched with nothing big or nothing that's super strong or hard.

[Host]

It's hard because. Because Rolly throws hard. You know, he throws hard if he have an awkward stance. And the thing is, touching a man and touching a woman, you. You already know the chin. The chin different. You and you know that. Shakur the chin different on a man and a woman.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Let me be her coach for the fight. Just let me be a coach, and we gonna win.

[Host]

You could get. You could get Buddy McGirt. You could get Floyd Mayweather Senior. You could get Freddie Roach. You can God that rest his soul. Emmanuel Stewart, she ain't beat nobody.

[Shakur Stevenson]

A champion, man, but you did not say Shakur Stevenson.

[Host]

Shakur. Stevenson. Floor. I would put Shakur in the corner. Florida in the corner.

[Shakur Stevenson]

It's me. All I need to do is be in that corner. That's all I need to do.

[Host]

Well, you're gonna have to jump in the. You're gonna have to jump in the ring

[Shakur Stevenson]

and soften him up first for sure,

[Chad Ochocinco]

man.

[Host]

Hold on. Devin Haney said he wants something. What's up with you and Deb? Y' all can bang at 140.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Where he say that at?

[Host]

That? See, I. I'm just saying. I saw y' all in the ring sparring. I saw y' all in the ring, and that was. That was all I would call Bill.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That was a long time ago.

[Host]

Hey, Devin say he want anybody at the 140. He want that.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Now he fights.

[Host]

He come down for you.

[Shakur Stevenson]

If he come down, then let's make it happen.

[Host]

Well, why you. You say you could fight at 147? You want to go up and see it?

[Shakur Stevenson]

I just told you, if I fight at 147, what come with it?

[Host]

Oh, so any. Any fight at 147, there's a rehydration clause.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Any fight at 147.

[Host]

Okay. Okay. So y' all hear that? Don't call this man phone fight at 147.

[Shakur Stevenson]

But we could fight at a catch

[Host]

weight 44 with no rehydration.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Any 47 pound powder. Fight me at 144. I'm down.

[Host]

Let's do it with no rehydration.

[Shakur Stevenson]

No rehydration.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm ready.

[Host]

But it ain't no but ain't no Bells at 44. So you just want to fight? You want. So you just need the belt for.

[Shakur Stevenson]

We the names, we the big names. Why we need the belt?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Host]

If.

[Shakur Stevenson]

If we put that 144, would you show up and watch?

[Host]

Yeah. You fighting? Hold on. You fighting Devin Haney?

[Julian Edelman]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

At 100?

[Host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Without the belts on the line, right?

[Host]

Yes.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Okay, then. So we good?

[Host]

Yeah. If you go fight. If you go fight. The best of the best, I'm gonna come see because I wanna. I want to see in my own eyes. I want to see in my own eyes. I'm gonna see. If you go. You're gonna. Do, you know, you say, hey. Oh, you say, my fight boring. Let me show you why it's boring. You see what I did? Every strength, Every strength that he had, I turned it into a weakness.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I ain't gonna lie.

[Chad Ochocinco]

If you.

[Shakur Stevenson]

If you watch my last fight and you still thought it was boring, you're

[Host]

gonna think I saw it. Here's the thing. Here's the thing, Shakur. Tim Duncan was. Tim Duncan not great.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Now he's. He was a great.

[Host]

Would you say he was exciting?

[Shakur Stevenson]

No, not really. No.

[Host]

But two things can be true. You can be great. And I want to see some Action. I want to see. Hey, I understand. You said, look, my job is to hit, not get hit. And I think sometimes you, you know, sometimes I think you're overly cautious with that. But I want to see a little bit more action. If I'm paying 5, $10,000 for a ticket, Shakur, I want to see something.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I want to see some lights turned out, huh? I don't think you're a big boxing fan.

[Host]

Then for me. For me to come out of my house. Hold on. For me to come out of my house and to dig in my pockets and pay $10,000. No, no, you go. I'm. See some action. I'm gonna see some action.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Are you a big boxing fan?

[Host]

Yes. Yes.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Impossible.

[Host]

Yes. I used to go. I've seen Floyd fight several times. I've seen Mike Tyson fight. Yeah. But to come out of my pocket. So see if I would watch on tv. Of course I'm gonna watch it on television.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Fight.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You thought he was boring?

[Host]

He fought me. I. I saw him fight. I think. I think I saw him fight Corrales and I saw him fight De La Hoya.

[Shakur Stevenson]

And did you think he was boring?

[Host]

I saw. I saw Floyd after he had broke his hands. When Floyd was fighting at 30, 35 and 40. When he fought Gotti, when he fought Ricky Hatton. Hell, no, he wasn't boring. When he fought Gotti, when he fought Ricky Hatton, when he fought Cotto, when he fought. Hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

After that, after that, did you think

[Host]

it was after Floyd, after Floyd's hands became brittle, he became a fighter that. You know what I can't take. I'm not gonna lose no fight because I'm fighting one handed because I broke my hand.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I got a question for you.

[Host]

Yes.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Did you see him fight Carlos Baldomir?

[Host]

That was before. No, that was.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Wasn't that around the times he. His hands.

[Host]

That. That might have been. That was one of the fights, yeah. Because I remember he hit somebody and he took a knee.

[Shakur Stevenson]

People called him boring. He would, like. It was never boring to me. When I watched him fight, even when I watched him fight Pacquiao, I never thought, like, Floyd Mayweather was a boring fighter. Now when I watched Rick It Out, I'm like, okay, this is kind of like, no disrespect, like, he's a hell of a fighter, one of my favorites. But some of the time I'm like, okay, this is boring. But I just don't know how you can watch guys, like, completely dominate, shut guys out and give you some type of entertainment at Times in the fight and I feel like when I fought tfimo, I came forward, I was the aggressor, I was on the front foot. So I just don't see how anybody could think that that fight was a boring fight.

[Host]

But here's the thing. When floor was at 35 and 40, Floyd was stopping people. Can we agree on that?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Some guys, some guys got stopped. Yeah, that's all.

[Host]

We want to see some action, but. But hey, go ahead.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Me and Floyd Mayweather is two different people. So at the end of the day, if you compare us, you're just comparing the guy that already finished his career with a guy that's still in a prom of his career with more better fights to come. So it's hard to really compare.

[Host]

I, I think the thing is, is that your fighting style is a lot different, is a lot similar because you guys are, do a lot of, a lot of counters. Yeah. Oh, you know, they'll win. I mean, undefeated. Yeah. So, yeah, I, I think the thing that's, that's my thing at 35 and 40 floor was stopping people. I look at another guy like Shane Mosley, 35, 40, he was stopping people. He had dynamite when he fought, when he fought Antonio Margarita. But I thought he think he fought margarita at 47. I don't know what he was. I think he maybe fought de la Hoya, what, 54 or 40. I think he fought de la Hoya at 54.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah. But uncle, you gotta also realize that was my fourth weight class. And anybody that's in the sport that goes through four weight classes, I feel like it's harder to knock guys out as you move up and you go up.

[Host]

Okay.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Besides the Manny Pacquiao, who probably, we don't know, that probably wasn't, you know, as normal as everybody else, because I

[Host]

ain't never seen nobody go for one. Pacquiao probably went from 112 and floorboard people at 22, 26, 30, 35, 40, 47, 54, he would. I'm like, well, damn, this little man. Just not.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Hey, yeah, but you gotta understand, when people move up in weight classes, definitely harder to knock people out because you

[Host]

already fighting bigger guys. That's already sustained at that weight. Yeah,

[Chad Ochocinco]

we got it ready, we got it set. So we don't put it out there in the universe.

[Shakur Stevenson]

No, Lamar.

[Host]

Oh, you and you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I whoop his ass. But anyway, we got Lamont Roach, right? Hey, we got, we got Lamont Roach and then we got Connor being at a catch weight so, you know, the tongue is powerful, so we're going to speak it into existence at 144.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Nah, me and Lamar could fight at140.0135 either.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I like that.

[Host]

That.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I like that. So I'm just. Bring me in the camp. Bring me in the camp.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I told you. Come on, man.

[Host]

Anytime. Shakur, tear his ass up. I mean, look, if you don't come back, if you don't come back with no horn on his head, you ain't do nothing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We got the same exact fighting style.

[Host]

Oh, Shakur said he gonna stop you. I'm coming, I'm coming. I'm have my phone, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

My defense. My defense is just like his, or maybe better. Like, I'm not. I'm not even

[Julian Edelman]

tripping.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't studied you, man, all these years, man.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm.

[Host]

I. Everything you got him, everything he tried

[Shakur Stevenson]

to do, I got an In America, man, that was crazy. Your defense may be just like. Exactly.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, I mean, most of the time when you.

[Shakur Stevenson]

When you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, before you take a test, you study it, don't you?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, but I've been studying for 20 some years.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I've been studying for 58. What you. What you saying?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, but you ain't been studying boxing for that long.

[Host]

He said, but he said, because he's a much bigger man, Shakur, he gonna walk through your punches.

[Shakur Stevenson]

That don't mean nothing, though.

[Host]

You don't want no rehydration clothes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm gonna come down to 140.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'mma stop him to the body.

[Host]

You'll give a body shot and stop it.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Stop on to the body for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, what happened. What happened to my camera?

[Host]

I don't know that. Hey, that man said, man. Hey, man, thank you for coming on, Shakur. We really appreciate that. Hey, when you come back, when you got something else lined up, a big fight lined up, come back and tell us about it on Nightcap. Because the Nightcap family, they love boxing. They love Shakur Stevenson, and we can't wait to see your next fight. Is it going to happen before June? After June, the fall. What we. What you kind of looking at? What's kind of your timeline?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Probably after June, I don't know, I can't even tell you yet. Once I talk to the business people, we gonna make it happen, so.

[Host]

Okay. Well, congratulations on your last fight. You did a number on Teofimo Lopez, a four division champ, an Olympic silver medal medalist. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Shakur Stevenson. Thanks for joining us, Shakur. I appreciate y' all appreciate you bro. He's ain't gonna stop you to the body, Ocho. He said he gonna stop you too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Host]

Yeah. Hey, man. Hey. That joke hit you with them liver, them kidney shots, Ocho, you be peeing blood.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, right. I'm gonna be tucked in, huh?

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