Nightcap Hour 1: Shai & Chet TAKE DOWN the Knicks + JJ Redick DOWNPLAYS CONFRONTATION With Luka + Celtics ANTICIPATING Jayson Tatum’s RETURN + Iso Joe AGREES with Max Kellerman that MJ could average 40-Point TRIPLE DOUBLE + Mr. Tendernism JOINS Nightcap

Summary

Nightcap Podcast – Hour 1 Summary

Date: March 5, 2026

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (Uncle Ocho), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, and Joe “Iso Joe” Johnson
Special Guest: Walter “Mr. Tendernism” Johnson

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Main Theme

The episode centers around instant reactions to NBA developments, candid debate on legends across eras, athlete injury comebacks, game-culture discussions, and ends with a fun, heartfelt segment on barbecue culture with special guest Mr. Tendernism. The free-flowing conversation combines basketball analysis, athlete mentality, legacy debates, and plenty of laughs and memorable anecdotes.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

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1. Thunder’s Big Win Over the Knicks

[10:45–19:00]

• OKC Thunder Defeat Knicks 103–100 at MSG
  • Chet Holmgren: 28 pts, 8 rebounds, 6 threes (ties career high)
  • Shai Gilgeous-Alexander: 26 pts, continues streak of 20+ points (now at 122, near Wilt Chamberlain’s record)
  • Thunder defense a key factor, holding the Knicks to poor shooting (10/35 from three)
• Hosts Praise OKC Team Identity
  • Joe: "They guard, bro. They play defense… These dudes sit down in that chair, they move them feet and they guard and they defense is what fuels the offense." [12:12]
  • Ocho: Emphasizes balance—defense-first wings (Lu Dort, Cason Wallace) and rim protection from Holmgren.
• Culture, Chemistry, and the Max Deal Issue
  • Ocho: "This is a team that's to be reckoned with… But as soon as guys start to get paid, the league will eventually start picking off those pieces." [15:38]
  • Joe: Believes some role players may stay for less if they win, chasing legacy over money.

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2. JJ Redick and Luka Doncic Sideline Argument

[23:35–30:30]

• JJ Redick Downplays Heated Exchange with Luka
  • Video shows Luka avoiding Redick on the sideline after being subbed out, then arguing; teammate Jerry Vanderbilt de-escalates.
• Is This Normal?
  • Joe: "Nah, this is pretty normal. I think he probably… messed up and coach took him out… You walk over there with a little attitude. That’s pretty normal." [24:35]
  • Ocho & Joe recall their own experience resisting substitution, emphasizing the importance of rhythm and being ‘in the zone’.
• Debate: Rest vs. Chasing Stats
  • Ocho: For coaches, risk of injury when up big outweighs letting a star pad stats. "You let a guy put his selfish needs, trying to win a scoring title, over the bigger need, which is the playoffs." [28:14]

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3. Jason Tatum’s Anticipated Return from Achilles Injury

[38:53–50:13]

• Tatum Possibly Returning After 10-Month Recovery
  • Would be one of the fastest post-Achilles comebacks since Rudy Gay.
  • Celtics currently #2 in East; hope JT’s return pushes them to a title.
• Should He? Caution vs. Opportunity
  • Joe: “He probably going to give it a chance… not sure that I would. But with the East so open, you got to take your shot.” [40:38]
  • Ocho: "If anything, I would chill the rest of the season and maybe come back during playoffs. Don’t mess up the continuity." [41:50]
  • Iso Joe: Intensity of playoffs not ideal for first minutes post-surgery; Russ of returning mid-playoff is real.
• Medical Advances and Athlete Recovery
  • Ocho highlights the speed of modern surgeries and use of robotics: "They do that same surgery in 15, 20 minutes now. Even hip surgeries are robotic." [44:26]

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4. Max Kellerman vs. Rich Paul: Would MJ Average a 40-point Triple Double Today?

[50:30–60:50]

• Joe Johnson (and Iso Joe) Side with Max Kellerman:
  • Joe: “I agree with Max. MJ would probably average about 40 in this era. He was fast, quick, explosive, with unstoppable turnaround… He’d get 6–12 points on defense alone.” [51:07]
  • Iso Joe: “Nobody gonna stay in front of him now. And the defense back then was much tougher.” [52:05]
  • Ocho (playing devil’s advocate): “But these kids different now. They’d want their shots… And the game is three-point-centric.” [53:14]
• Triple Double Debate
  • Ocho and Joe agree: 40 points possible, maybe even likely; but triple double? That’s too much effort chasing rebounds/assists as a guard: "Average a triple double as a guard, you gotta chase loose balls all night… it’s hard work." [54:49–57:57]

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5. NBA Legends: Adaptability Across Eras

[60:07–65:26]

• Evolution of Greats
  • Ocho: “Great players adapt—LeBron added the three, Brook Lopez changed his game."
  • Joe: “All you do, bro, is go to the gym and shoot jumpers. If you do that every day, you become a hell of a shooter.”
• Jordan’s Unmatched Mentality
  • Ocho: “You don’t win 10 scoring titles without being prolific at putting the ball in the basket.” [64:50]
  • Iso Joe: Asks if Bulls would have won more if MJ didn’t retire; panel agrees—likely 1 or 2 more, but luck with injuries is a big X-factor.

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6. Culture Segment: Welcoming Mr. Tendernism (Walter Johnson)

[67:26–88:43]

• Walter “Mr. Tendernism” Johnson
  • Shares the story of turning a coffee shop into a smokehouse after impressing with his gumbo, and how his “tendernism” BBQ style took off.
  • Ocho: “A lot of people thought it was your shop… you fixed the gumbo, but you weren’t the proprietor. How’d that blow up?” [70:04]
• BBQ Wisdom and Philosophy
  • Walter differentiates between grilling and true barbecue—slow with smoke vs. fast and hot; “You don’t need no teeth for the meat” [73:26]
  • Will come cook for the hosts, shares tips on smokers, talks about oxtails, ribs, brisket, and “tendernism” as an ethos
  • Offers to appear at events, plans for more popups, dreams of sharing “tendernism with the world.”
• Heartfelt Community and Family Energy
  • “If this world were mine…” sings Walter as they set up his connection [68:12], leading to laughter and joy.
  • Open invitation to family BBQs, willingness to teach grilling, and loving roasting about family, food, and life.
  • Shares GoFundMe link for supporters.

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7. Notable Quotes & Moments

• On OKC Chemistry:
  "Everybody understands their role… I love the closeness and camaraderie they have. Not every team has that." — Uncle Ocho [15:38]
• On Player Priorities:
  "At what point do you say… I’m good now, it’s about securing my family?" — Uncle Ocho [17:40]
• On Coaching and Stat-Chasing:
  “Last thing you want… you already up 30 and he gets hurt. Why was he in the game?” — Uncle Ocho [28:14]
• On MJ in Today’s NBA:
  "I think MJ would probably average about 40… who’s going to stay in front of him?" — Joe Johnson [51:07]
• BBQ Wisdom:
  “Tendernism. You don’t need no teeth for the meat.” — Walter Johnson [73:26]
• Family, Food & Community:
  “Grandma house gonna be done this summer—we gotta get that tradition back going.” — Iso Joe [89:31]

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Important Timestamps

• Thunder-Knicks Recap & OKC Analysis: [10:45–19:00]
• Redick–Luka Sideline Argument: [23:35–30:30]
• Jason Tatum Injury & Return Debate: [38:53–50:13]
• MJ Fantasy: 40-Point Triple Double Debate: [50:30–60:50]
• Mr. Tendernism BBQ Segment: [67:26–88:43]
• Community & Family Sendoff: [88:43–End]

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Tone & Vibe

• Language: Conversational, humorous, and authentically “locker-room” real, with storytelling and playful banter.
• Atmosphere: Warm, nostalgic, inclusive—mixing hard sports analysis with jokes, stories, and neighborhood energy.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Show…

This episode delivers instant NBA analysis, thoughtful takes on player greatness and longevity, real athlete injury wisdom, clashes of ego and teamwork, and an uplifting finale about family, food, and community legacy—all with the humor and raw authenticity that makes Nightcap a fan favorite.

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[Joe Johnson]

What's happening? What's happening fellas?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, you know what?

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

What's up? What'd they do? Hey, Joe, you can hear me?

[Joe Johnson]

What's happening?

[Walter Johnson]

Yeah, hey, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I've been in the lab.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe, what you been doing?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, don't worry about it. Just get. Get that knee together, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Get that knee together. Why?

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay, okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I'm gonna let you know. Oh, hey, I booked my ticket too. I'm letting you know ahead of time. I booked my ticket for March 16th. I'm gonna be in on the 15th so we can go to the Hulk game.

[Joe Johnson]

What's that? That's the Magic City night.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You trying to do something about Tucson?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I thought you said. I thought you said we can already book.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm make. I'm gonna make it happen.

[Uncle Ocho]

Say less.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm gonna make it happen.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay, I'm deleting. I booked my ticket. So, you know, I don't. I frequent Atlanta maybe once a year, so this would be. This would be my one time.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, boy. You finna have a good time? What you gonna do?

[Uncle Ocho]

You man, you know, old, neat old, you know, I'm. If the. If the. If the water don't rise and, you know, don't get too high. Oh, you feel. You've been.

[Joe Johnson]

Have surgery soon.

[Uncle Ocho]

I went, so what ortho today I got another. We'll get two opinions and see, you know, he said, you know, probably the best thing for us to go in there and get it taken care of, get it scoped, get it sniffed a little bit. 15, 20 minute procedure and we'll see what the other guy says. And so we're gonna take the best of the two scenarios. The one thing I do know, we're not going to leave it as is. It's painful and I'm not taking any pain medicine for that. So we'll get it. We'll get that thing resolved and then, you know, your boy be out there running again. You know, I'll be out there. Go ahead, Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, and I was gonna ask you a 15, 20 minute procedure. What's the rehab time? Like he said, I'll be. That.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'll be Sore for about. About a week. Ocho. Because anytime they go into the body. Oh, that's it. No, you're gonna be sore, but it's probably four to five weeks.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay, that ain't bad. That ain't bad.

[Uncle Ocho]

I go to rehab. He said it's an internal procedure. So you go in that morning, you'll be out that day. And then I do, I'll start rehab the next day.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. You know what? I need to stop playing around and do Unc like. All jokes aside, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

What's that?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I need to get this damn cataract removed out my right eye. Cause I can't see it all. It's even. I couldn't see to begin with. Now cataract has built up so much. My right eye, my whole right side. Great.

[Joe Johnson]

So, hey, I got a question. How in the hell you think you gonna beat me in anything with one eye?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Joe, I played my whole career with one eye. I had. I only had one eye since 1994.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. I like that you look. One thing about me, I'm gonna use everything to my advantage.

[Uncle Ocho]

If you know you gonna go to my right.

[Joe Johnson]

If my opponent got a weakness, you

[Uncle Ocho]

best believe I'm going at it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But, Joe, that's not a weakness. I played my whole career with one eye.

[Uncle Ocho]

You ain't.

[Joe Johnson]

You ain't gonna be. You ain't gonna be able to keep up with that with no one eye.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Joe, you too slow. Joe, who you six?

[Joe Johnson]

Eight.

[Uncle Ocho]

All right. All right. Oh, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean no disrespect, but it's gonna be real funny when they say, God damn, but that Ocho gave a Hall of Famer. That work.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Walter Johnson]

All right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All right.

[Uncle Ocho]

The Thunder go on the road in Madison Square Garden and take down the Knicks by the score of 103 to 100. Chet Holgren had 28 points, eight rebounds. The eight. Holmgren had a tired of career high with six three pointers. Shay Gilous had 26 points as he continued to streak of at least 20 points. I think it's one hundred and twenty two now. I think he's a couple of games behind Wilt Chamber's record, which I think is 124, 126. But they. Chad Hunger had 28, Shay Gill just had 26. Luke Lou do had 16. That rounded out, but they did a great job. The Knicks got a balance scoring, but it was not enough. OG had 16, Carl Anthony had 17, Josh Hart had 10. Uh, Mikhail Bridges had 15, Jalen Brunson has 16, and Landry Shammit had 14, but they shot Terrible from the three point line 10 to 35. Um, and that was the really the difference in the ball game. Shea hit a step back three. He only shot one three tonight, Joe. And they put OG on him and he drove to the basket and he snatched pool, let that three go. And that was really the difference in the ball game. Watching this game, Joe, you look at, you can see the Thunder are starting to feel like themselves. They're starting, it looks like they're starting the game some confidence back because they feel our best, the best player in the NBA is on our roster now. We're fully. They don't have J Dub quite yet, but you can tell they're starting to feel themselves again heading into the playoffs.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh yeah, and they're not fully healthy, but they still, they still grinding out wins night in and night out. Fellas. They just beat Chicago last night without Shea. Shay played tonight. The one thing that's glaring for me about okc, Uncle Ocho, they guard, bro. They play defense. If you look at, if you look at the Knicks, their shooting percentages was horrible. Brunson was 5 for 18, OG was 6 for 17. Mikhail Bridges was 6 for 17. These dudes sit down in that chair, they move them feet and they guard and they defense is what fuels the offense. Now they do have a guy in Shay who can get to the bucket, get to his spots whenever he want in the game. He just makes the games look easy. But I've said this from, from, from last season, even throughout the playoffs, the better check Holmgregt is, the better this OKC team will be, which can, which can lead them to be a dynasty, meaning winning multiple championships. They look good, man. They're in a great spot. Obviously, you know, coming down to the wide with the season. They get healthy, they, they still gonna be a scary team to deal with in the seven game series, fellas.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Uncle Joe. Normally, right when you think about basketball in general, you, you have every team has his identity. Sometimes it's defense, sometimes it's offense. Most of the time you really don't have a team where on both sides in transition, you're good on offense and defense. How the hell they able to sit in the chair and play defense the way they do and still have the offenses offensive prowess to score at will like they do as well.

[Uncle Ocho]

If you look. Go ahead, Joe, go ahead.

[Joe Johnson]

They. They in great shape, Ocho. To be able to play both sides of the ball, you, you got to be in shape. Obviously. Yes, they one of the youngest teams still in the league. So they cause a multitude of problems and they, they one of the only teams, like I've been saying, who pick up full court and where you down in the fourth quarter to where they can still, you know, be fresh.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

I think the thing is, Ocho, plus the fact that you look at it, the guys that are really sitting in the chair, those are not your guys that you're counting on to give you 20, 30 a night. Shade.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Shaking play defense. But that's what you got Lou Dorks for. That's what you got for. That's what you got Casey Wallace for. That's what you got those other guys for. That's what you got a seven foot guy in the backdrop, Chet Holmgren, to check anything that gets past those guys. So we know and they understand this is who we are. Isaiah Joe. Okay, Chat. I mean, Shay, shoot as many times you like, Chet, you're our next guy. Especially now that J Dub isn't there. But when you get J Dub back, you got another guy that can sit in the chair. They go, they can. At every point in time in the game, they're gonna have three of their five guys that can sit in the chair.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's at the bare minimum. Now you mess around and go out there with Caruso and you have Dort out there and you have Wallace out there and you have Joe out there. Yeah. Now you got four to five. J Dub was an all defense, was an all the defensive player. He can play defense. They're loaded. And they say, you know what? We get some really easy shots. We get some easy runouts when we turn you over. So they bought in. No, everybody understands. I love the fact that when somebody does an interview, everybody's standing around. Now, they might be, hey, check out my outfit. They might be shucking and jiving, but that shows the closeness and the camaraderie that they have. Everybody doesn't have that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

This is a team that's to be reckoned with. As long as everybody understands their role. This is who I am. Hey, Chet, I mean, Chet got a max deal. J Dub got a max deal. Shay got a max deal. Now, we ain't got no more max deals that can come around, Joe. Hey, we ain't got no more max deal that can come around. Everybody understand. Now you're gonna be in a situation where you can win a lot of games and win championships, but somebody at some point in time, they're going to start picking off those pieces like you see in the NBA, NFL. Oh, guys start like, hold on. Yeah, they winning. He's been there. He knows what it's like to win. Let me go get him and see if we can put that in our locker room. But I love the way this team plays. I love the closeness of this team and being a part of a, Being a part of a winning culture. Guys genuinely, normally, normally, I'm saying this always. Maybe there are situations where guys don't like each other, but all the winning that I've been a part of, guys were really, really close. They did things together. They went to the movies together. They did cookouts together. They went bowling together. They did a lot of things together. Played rogue that played cards. We were constantly going to somebody's house. Be at Baltimore. We was with Ray's house and, and, and Buffy. His mom was cooking. Or we was at Endeavor. We was doing things, going to the movies, bowling. This team is close. You can tell they're close.

[Walter Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you can. And that's. I think that helps them too, on the court. Okay, Ocho, you know, that, that closeness that they have together, you know, spending. Spend a lot of time with each other off the court. But I think just because they got these max contracts, I think these other guys, who I would probably call them like fillers for the most part, I don't think. I, I think they all stay. I think even. I think even a couple of them may even take a pay cut just to stick around because of, Just think about it. If they make it to the finals this year or if they even win another title, I mean, now they, they can definitely be amongst history. So I, I can, I can see this team kind of sticking around for, for quite some time.

[Uncle Ocho]

I think it makes it easier for them to leave. Not Joe, because I got two rings, and somebody's gonna give me five years at 70 million. You see, I, I, at what point in time or Joe, how many rings do I need? You know, I'm 26 years of age, and somebody's about to give. Drop me, you know, 70. Let's just say 70 million for, for five years. Somebody's about to give me 100 million for five years, and I got two rings. Well, I'm, I'm good now. It's about, it's about the securing my family to make sure everybody's great for the next 35, 40 years. So we'll see how it plays out. I mean, everybody says, oh, I want to be here. I want to be here, I want to be here. And then somebody like, damn, boy, that's a lot of money, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

They were like, hey, you know what I think? I think ISO might want to stay in Phoenix. Atlanta said, joe, we got this. We got this little package for you over here. Come on.

[Joe Johnson]

I got to go.

[Uncle Ocho]

Let me say. Hey, yo, hold on. What's that? Valley. Paradise Valley. Is that in there? Paradise Valley, right. They got nice homes out there.

[Joe Johnson]

It's nice out there.

[Uncle Ocho]

Nice scenery.

[Joe Johnson]

I spent a lot of.

[Uncle Ocho]

You don't talk about your nice scenery.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. It's nice. Hey, Ocho. Hey. It's nice.

[Uncle Ocho]

You ain't got to tell me. Yeah, Scottsdale and all that.

[Walter Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, I had a time when I was out there. You hear me?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But hey, that's a long way, boy.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, right, right to closer. For me.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I mean, I'm just saying, for me, you know, I'm really. I'm really on the West Coast.

[Walter Johnson]

Just.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Just think about it. Obviously. Yeah. Remember we went to Super Bowl, Arizona. That goddamn flight, man. Jesus Christ.

[Joe Johnson]

From Miami.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, everything as far as you coming back, coming this way from Miami, it's just like everything is far coming this way. If you on the west coast, going east, where there's New York, Jersey, Miami, it's hell. Now, it's easy for me to go there because I got the wind at my back.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, that's a long flight, bro.

[Uncle Ocho]

Man, I got up and I took me a little quick nap. Go to the bathroom. Four hours.

[Walter Johnson]

Four hours.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hell, I felt like I was late for three. Oh, yeah, but that's the part about going overseas, Ocho. I remember we went to Australia. Man, I don't watch four movies. Done took me a nap. We still got 12 hours.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Wait, how long? The flight to Australia?

[Uncle Ocho]

18 hours.

[Joe Johnson]

That's about how that flight was. We went to China. Yeah. That's a long time to be on a plane.

[Uncle Ocho]

What?

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[Uncle Ocho]

JJ Redick downplayed his sideline argument with Luka Donchi, saying the exchange Was very normal. Video emerge emerged showing the international air the interaction during a Saturday's 129, 101 win over the Warriors. We got the video. Take a look at this. Joe and Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's so reminiscent, boy.

[Uncle Ocho]

After being subbed out of the game, Luke avoided Reddick on the sideline, causing the coach to walk after him and guard exchange words with him on the bench. After Reddick walked away, Luca jumped up and potentially continue the argument. But Jerry Vanderbilt quickly hopped up, started clapping in front of Luca to de. Escalate the situation. Joe, how normal is this? Is this very normal? Is this somewhat like, what's really going on?

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, this is pretty normal. I think he probably. What he must have messed up when coach took him out.

[Uncle Ocho]

He didn't want to come out. Luca tried to get that score.

[Joe Johnson]

Let me tell y' all something that's normal, bro. When you in the game and you mess up and you can't get a chance to get back, and he take you out.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Johnson]

You walk over there with a little attitude. You see he want to even shake his hand. You know what I mean? That's pretty normal, Uncle Ocho.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know, you like. You.

[Joe Johnson]

You come back, you like. Man, damn all this, man. You know what I mean?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, Uncle Joe. I remember I. I had same incident. Obviously, this is basketball. Obviously, that's. That's a meaningful game that they playing. But every time in the preseason. Joe, Joe, when the preseason come, you know the ones. Hey, they said before the game start, all right, the ones y' all get one series, and then we all coming out, man, who you think don't want to come out the game?

[Joe Johnson]

You all.

[Uncle Ocho]

All.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Everybody went off the sideline. I'm the only one still on the field waiting on the tools to come in.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, even. Even if. Even if you didn't call the pass or not, huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I didn't quite a pass. Not most of the time. I ain't catching them because they just, you know, it's pretty. They just doing vanilla stuff. Hey, Joe, I done had Coach Lewis. He done had to call a timeout to get me out the game.

[Walter Johnson]

I refuse. I refuse to come out.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm coming to the sideline.

[Uncle Ocho]

He walking towards me.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm going straight to the end of the bench. Hey, but, you know, we laugh about it today, man, but I don't think he understood. I needed to be in those preseason games. I just needed. I needed to catch that rhythm. I need to catch that speed of the game just to get my Body acclimated to it. Because no matter how much you practice, game day, speed is completely different. No matter how much you practice.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man, I know that.

[Uncle Ocho]

I think Luca wanted to get the cup. Hey, we scored easy. Luca got. Gotta eat. Got a 20, quick 28 easy. Say, you know what?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm trying to win the scoring title. And so it's game like this here, Joe. Hey, let me go to get me a little 35. Let me go play an extra three minutes. Let me give me three more minutes, right? And then I'll come sit on the sideline. J.J. probably thinking nine. That three minutes, a lot can happen. You must rather step on somebody, ankle, somebody hit you, do this and get out of the ball game. Because, you know, right, the thing is, like, when you got it going good, don't you. You know, Joe, you know you got it going good. And they say, hey, man, you know, you got. You know, you got this many yards. Really, man, I go in there, get me one catch. I'm gonna get one catch. I did this in college. I said, coach. I said, coach, I need. All I need is one catch. I need one catch. I'm gonna have 200. I said, Coach, I'm gonna catch it. I'm gonna go out of bounds. He like, all right, home, we gonna throw you one. He throw me that smoke, right? I faced up down the sideline. I win, you were gone.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe. Hey, do coaches understand especially it might be different when it comes to basketball if Luke is in rhythm, if Luke is hot, maybe JJ's not thinking about him being able to get that scoring title and wanting to come out the game. Don't they have some type of situation or understanding, like, let me stay in, like maybe eye contact while he's. While he's in the game and say, I'm good right now. Just let me. Let me be.

[Joe Johnson]

Man. Them coaches be aware. They be aware of what's going on. Ocho. Don't let them fool you now. Don't let them fool you and think that they don't know what's going on.

[Uncle Ocho]

They got people on the sideline that's telling them so. Hey, Joe. Got four files. Ojo got five files. Got two files. So he good. They got people to study, giving you that information. You know exactly what's going on.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey, Ocho need 10 more points. He had 20, 000 points. Yeah, something like that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Like, they, they.

[Joe Johnson]

They. They know, bro. They know. So, yeah, they know. He gonna. They know he in for the scoring title, right? But for sure hey, but.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But Joe, if they know he in for the scoring title, why would you take him out? I mean. I mean, who.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know. Ocho.

[Uncle Ocho]

What? Look, the thing is, the last thing that you want to have happen, you leave him in there. You already up 30 points. Ocho and Joe and you know what come with it, he must run and get hurt. They gonna say, why was he in the game?

[Walter Johnson]

Right?

[Uncle Ocho]

And then you go say, okay, oh, really? So now you put your. You put. You let a guy put his selfish needs trying to win a scoring title over the bigger. The bigger, more important needs, which is the playoffs. So I. I see both sides of the equation. I've been on both sides of the equation. I remember we've played. We've playing the Chiefs. Mike took everybody out. They came up there, told Mike, Shannon has 6 for 99, 84. I don't took my help, strapped my shoulder pad. Cause, yeah, we already beaten K. We already beating. We at home. 84, you back up.

[Joe Johnson]

I was like, huh?

[Uncle Ocho]

You need a yard for a hundred. Okay, let me get on back. Hey, let me get on back in there. Look better than 99.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, right, right, right.

[Uncle Ocho]

So we're gonna run some simple. We're gonna run that. We're gonna run a boot down, flat, wash the end down to the. To the A gap.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Go to reverse. Go to the flat.

[Uncle Ocho]

Watch the air. Down to the. The. To the A gap. And he don't throw it to me on timing. He tried to pump, pump, throws it late. He gets picked.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh,

[Uncle Ocho]

dad. Some boy. Man, Mike. Boy, Mike turned so red. Oh, I said, lord have mercy. I like, bro, I'm sorry, but you should have thought. You should have threw it to me the first time. But I. But I. But I see both sides of the equation. Because sometimes, like when you in a rhythm. Ocho and Joe, you know this in basketball, Joe, that thing cooking. And you could. You can't do no wrong. You shooting off wrong foot. You don't matter what. You throwing stuff up there. It's going in and you getting a ones. And everybody knows Luca can heat up. I mean, he don't need to see but a few go into the basket, and that's your ass.

[Joe Johnson]

That's it.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. He first of all, his first shot gonna be a three. He gonna check it. He gonna get that step back. He gonna. He gonna pull. You ain't gonna shoot that. Step back. Don't let him see it. Go in. A couple of them go in now. Cause you got your hands.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

You Got your hands. So I. I understand, but like, you know, JJ just left the game. What, Joe, what, five years ago?

[Joe Johnson]

Probably about five.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. So the thing is with him, he knows you get these guys and then, you know, you give these guys a little leeway. It's not like you wouldn't dare do no stuff like them old school, like a Phil or Pat Riley that. Stuff like that. Oh, no, they going for that.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. Even Unc said when he was in college, his coach let him go back in there. Nolan Richard ain't having none of that. I don't give them how many points you got. You sit your ass right over with me this game.

[Uncle Ocho]

That was the only time, though. That was the only time he ever done that. Because I remember we played. This is my senior year. And you know, obviously, you know, we want to have a good season, you know, try to make the playoffs, but, you know, scout's gonna, Scout's gonna be there. Sterling Sharp's little brother, a two time All American Conference player of the year. We want to see what he put on, man. Ocho, I said, man, I was, I'm talking about, I was in peak shape. I'm talking about, hey, don't work that. I didn't have to work in the fields. I have to do no work. Hey, I'm just training, right? I'm, I'm good. I Show up, I'm 228. I'm talking about chisel, got this. Hey, got in a fight with a sword and lost cuts everywhere. Yeah, yeah, cut my cut like a small bag of dope. That's what I'm looking like between us now. So I go out there in the first, the first half we had halftime, I got like, I got five catches for a buck 50 and two touchdowns. We up 30. So I'm saying to myself, I'm about to get me 300. I said, they throw me another, they throw me another five, I'm gonna get 300, right? Yeah, man. Coach talking about then, see, he's at home. Home, you done for the day. I said, come on, coach, let me get at that time. I had never had a 200 yard game,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Man.

[Uncle Ocho]

He told me after the game, he pulled me aside after the game. He said, son, you got the best chance of any player I ever coached to be great at the next level. Son, if something happens to you, I'll never forgive myself. I thought about it, I was like, all right, coach. But I show that about five games later, I never had a. A 200 yard game. Oo and then I came and strung three of them things to get back to back to back there.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You had 200 back to back.

[Uncle Ocho]

I went, I went. I went 7 for 221. I went. I went 9 for 202 and then I go 10 for 205.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

God damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

Huh.

[Joe Johnson]

Well cutting up.

[Uncle Ocho]

I sprinkled in like a seven for a buck 54 and three tubs in there too.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. This all in one season.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh yeah. Well we eating one.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, nine games. I had 1300 yards. Don't you in nine games, 18 touchdowns.

[Walter Johnson]

Damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well you would have been over. I played man. Hey, hey Joe. Hey Joe. I would have locked un ass up out there, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

O hey, you got to realize, think about it. Oo you see me, I'm a receiver. I'm getting off the bus. I'm 62, 225 and I'm talking about. Yeah.

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[Uncle Ocho]

yeah yeah yeah yeah with a she. I had a shield back then. I had a shield.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah,

[Uncle Ocho]

had it, you know. Remember we used to have them great cut offs.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh yeah. Oh that's so bad.

[Uncle Ocho]

Look like I had tennis balls in my stomach. Like I swallowed about five or six tennis balls on you so I got it. Hey hey. I got off the bus first. Been out there in that sun so I'm good and crispy looking like charcoal, you know what I'm saying? I leave fingerprints on charcoal that's how black I was, Ocho, but I was toe up. But, man, I get it. I. I get what. I get Luca's point of view. I also get JJ's point of view. I do.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Because remember Joe, the previous game they played Phoenix and he struggled shooting the ball, remember?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

So he said, hey, this is my make. Right. This is my get right game.

[Joe Johnson]

Right. That bounce back.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. So I'm not, I'm. I'm not surprised by this. I'm not surprised. JJ's response to this. I don't know if anybody's ever been around jj. I've been around him a little bit. Yeah. He's a. He's a feisty personality like most guys from Duke are. Yeah, yeah. Go back and look at Kristen Laker. You look at Bobby Hurley, you look at jj, you look at Grayson Allen, you look at those guys, they got a little edge to them. So I'm not, I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised that, that Luca responded in the way that he did, but I'm also not surprised that, that they ended up taking him out of the ball game. The anticipation of a Jason Tatum return is, Is building in Boston. There's circumstantial evidence is piling up to suggest that it's going to happen any day now. If Tatum had to decide to set out to see them a season, it would have given himself about 17 and a half months of layoff before the next season kicks off mid October. Basically, the same timeline is Kevin Durant. But should Tatum suit up for the Celtics this week through, he'd be returning in about 10 months after he went down in the closing minutes of game four in the Eastern Conference semifinals against the Knicks last year. The 10 month return would mark the shortest. The shortest post Achilles absent for a starting player since the 201516 season in which Rudy Gay came back under nine months with the Kings. Joe, you think Jason is doing the right thing or should the Celtics protect him and say, no, bro, we see you next year?

[Joe Johnson]

I think he's. He's probably going to give it a chance. Uncle Ocho. I'm not sure that I would. I think considering the fact of where they're at in the standings, which is second in the Eastern Conference, I think they feel like they still have a window to where they can compete for a championship if they had him, because they could have used them tonight against the Charlotte. The Charlotte Hornets. Did y' all see.

[Uncle Ocho]

Y' all ain't see. I saw it, man. Charlotte shoot a. They got Some shooters you look at. Hey, look at Lamelo ball shooting off left foot. Wrong foot. You got Miller, you got Knuckle, you got Coddington.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, they not playing Bridges. Yeah, but I think. I think Tatum is gonna come back. I think he gonna come back. I mean, he got his money. Unki got 300 M's. I mean.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, there's another one. I've been waiting on him too. This one's gonna be 400, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Cause he ain't but, what, 27, probably.

[Uncle Ocho]

27. 20. 27, 28.

[Walter Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I think he gonna come back because, you know, the east so wide open, they gonna feel like they really got a chance. I can see him coming back this year.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, well, that's tough.

[Joe Johnson]

Go ahead.

[Uncle Ocho]

Don't you. What you thinking?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, that's tough. It depends on how he feels. It depends on how you feel. They're playing so well too, being number two in the east. You know, coming out. If anything, I would chill the rest of the season. I'll chill the rest of the season and maybe come back during the playoffs. I would say maybe come back during the playoffs. And if. If as well as they are playing and, and do you. Do you really need to come back and. And, you know, hurt yourself a little bit more coming back too soon? I mean, it all depends on how he's feeling. It just. It's kind of iffy to me. You know, honestly, coming back mess up that continuity, messing up, you know, the. The rhythm of the team and some of the things that have been going. That have been going so well. Having him come back, I'm. I'm not sure. I mean, Joe, you. You better off suited to understand it, you know, much better than I am, is they've been playing so well. You insert him back into the lineup and then he's, you know, obviously you're a little rusty because you haven't played real live basketball. Yes, you practice, but game, you know, game gameplay is completely different. I. I just. I think it would throw things off.

[Joe Johnson]

You're going to have to deal with a little bit of Russ Ocho, but if he's able to come back, like, they gonna take him. Like I said, this, this window of opportunity that they have to get a chance to come out to East. Still. The only thing about him coming back during the playoffs is that the intensity is going to be revved up so high. Yeah. It's like, I don't know if he tested that Achilles.

[Uncle Ocho]

Really.

[Joe Johnson]

Really. Right now. I'm sure he is. As far as weight training and getting out There playing two on two, three on threes. But yeah, man, it's a different ball game, bro. When you get out there and you, you know, you go to run around and try to get some of the boys off your back, it's, it's, you know, that's a different game, man. That high, high intensity playoff atmosphere.

[Uncle Ocho]

I think what has happened, damn, you guys are both correct. They're playing better than they even anticipated. And because there you go, the east is so wide open. We get him back, we are a major player, right? Because now we feel we have two of the top five guys in the Eastern Conference with JT and jb, it's hard to say there are three. There are five players better than those two. Now, you might like Brunson or whomever you like in the Eastern Conference, but they have two of the five best players in the Eastern Conference. And we feel that if we get JT back, why can't we come out? Can we beat the Knicks? Absolutely. Can we beat Cleveland? Absolutely. Can we beat Toronto? Absolutely. So that's the way they're looking at it. It's like, you know what, who knows what's going to happen next year? Somebody can make a, make a power move and swing, and all of a sudden Giannis might end up somewhere. And we're not in the same boat this time as we were last year at this time. That. So they're like, you know what? Let's go take full. Let's try to take full advantage of this opportunity. It's a. You know, the Keely's is just. And I understand technology is so much better because the guy was explaining to me today, Ocho, the surgery that I had on my knee back in the 90s, it took an hour, took 75 minutes. They do that same surgery in 15, 20 minutes now. Damn crazy. The surgery used to take three, four hours to do hip surgeries, to do these same surgeries in 75 minutes to an hour. Even breaking the bone, taking it out, putting it in there. Because mostly everything is. Everything is robotic now. Ain't nobody doing no scalpel. They said that. They said that, that, that robot up.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Wait, the robot doing it, right?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, that, that, that robot. Hey,

[Joe Johnson]

hey, hey. They say, they say in a few years. They say in a few years, if you ain't no electrician or plumber or something, boy, your job is expendable. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, you know, these robots gonna be

[Uncle Ocho]

out, you know, Back in my younger days, I did a little plumbing. You know what I'm saying? A little plumbing out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. I told you now, I told you about laying your best pipe down in the rent houses now.

[Uncle Ocho]

I told you I saved something. You know what I'm saying, Joe? I saved some. I saved it, you know?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I already know. But you want to put down a mean demonstration.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just let me die. If I ever. If I'm ever in need of some repairs, I know who to call. You. Don't you?

[Joe Johnson]

Hello?

[Uncle Ocho]

You never know.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello? Hello?

[Uncle Ocho]

But it, It. It sure seems like he's trying to. He's gearing up to come back. And I think the thing is that you want to be in a situation where he, he gets probably say 15 games in before the playoffs start, playoff start. Yeah. So I, I think I agree. Kind of, kind of, kind of the situation that they're kind of gearing up for. And if you, you know, reading the tea leaves and see what everything is going, that's kind of, that's kind of how it's shaping up, I would be a little hesitant because knowing the last thing you wanted to do that again and knock on wood, pray that don't happen, I. I just hope everything goes according to plan. The Kevin Durant timeline will seem great to me because KD doesn't seem like he missed a beat. It doesn't seem like he missed nothing.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, he took a whole year off,

[Uncle Ocho]

17 months, because remember, he heard it in 20, and then they had a 2020 season. Then what you call them happened. The COVID happened.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that time off.

[Uncle Ocho]

And then he came back. So he didn't come back to what, like November? So that happened and. Yeah, so it's gonna be. We'll see. Yeah. Cuz he, He. He tore that in June of 2019, and he didn't come back until like, what, September, October, because the, the ended. And so. Yeah, so he didn't come after like November, December, because rem. Before he played a game. I'm trying to see. I don't see kd. I see Jason Tatum. I don't see Kevin Durant on this, on this thing. Okay. Okay. Katie. Yeah. 2018. 2019. 18.4 months. Yeah. John Wall took off almost, almost two years. But I think John. I think John Wallace's mother had passed or something in between that also.

[Joe Johnson]

But hold on. I think he re injured.

[Uncle Ocho]

He might have did. Yeah, he re.

[Joe Johnson]

I think he re injured at home or something.

[Uncle Ocho]

You're right.

[Jacob Goldstein]

Damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

Which is common. You, you. Somebody. Somebody else did that too. They ended up retearing it, which I. That's no fun.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but you got to be careful.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes, yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You got to be careful. Especially if you feel anything. I'm obviously he doing what's necessary. They got the. The right doctors, the right resources and you know, medical people. People there.

[Walter Johnson]

I just.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Man, that pushing and. And that. That jerky irky movement, you know, playing basketball and. But I don't know, bro. It got me nervous. It's not even me.

[Uncle Ocho]

Dejante Murray took 13 months. But it's normally if you. You project it out. Rudy, go. Rudy Gay was less than nine months, but if you look at it, most

[Joe Johnson]

of the time it's about 12.

[Uncle Ocho]

Somewhere between 12 and 14 months. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

When. When Halliburton come back?

[Uncle Ocho]

Halliburton, he took. He off this year. Yeah, he off this year.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Because I don't think they in the condition to do nothing.

[Uncle Ocho]

So he won't be back. He will not be back until. So he toured in June of last year. So July, that'll be 13. August, September. So at bare minimum, they don't play until. So that's 16 months. He's gonna be. 16 months at the bare minimum.

[Joe Johnson]

Starting next, Sean Watson.

[Uncle Ocho]

Torheus, he. He done for a year. It's gonna be. You know, remember Ocho, he tore his. He missed all seats. So now we're looking at you talking about looking like. Like 18, 19 months.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Was it him who did it?

[Walter Johnson]

Who.

[Joe Johnson]

Who re. Injured his at home too?

[Uncle Ocho]

I think he did. Yes, yes. Yep. Yep. You got to be careful, man. Anything is sudden, the scooter stops or something. You know, you got. You got this. You on that scooter, Rich. Paul and Matt Kellerman disagree on how MJ would do in the modern era. Max says MJ would average 40 point, triple, double today. Rich says these kids today, they don't. They're not bowing down to nobody. They're not just going to sit around and let you shoot every shot. Joe, who do you agree with on this one?

[Joe Johnson]

No, I. I agree with Max. I think, you know, the cream always rises to the top. Like I do think MJ would probably average about 40 in this era. Okay. Ocho, he was so dynamic. He was fast, he was quick, he was explosive with an unstoppable turnaround. Mid range jump shot. Are you kidding? It ain't but a couple guys shoot

[Uncle Ocho]

the midi now, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Not. I mean, if you ain't shooting a three or dunking something at the rim, man. Nobody.

[Uncle Ocho]

40 points on Midis. That means he's going to have to get up eight to ten threes a game. And he said, I don't like to shoot the three because it takes away from my aggressiveness. Now something's going to have to change, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

But he's a two way player, Uncle. He gonna get at least eight to probably six to 12 points off defense. Now the way these, the way these boys shooting this, it's a, it's a faster pace. He ain't necessarily, probably going to shoot a lot more threes. I mean, he'll probably take a couple more, but for the most part he was so relentless in getting to the basket. Who's going, who going to be able to stay in front of him?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nobody. Nobody gonna stay in front of them. I agree with Max too. And you have to think during Jordan's era, they played a little bit more defense, Joe. They was a little bit more aggressive. Yeah, when you go to that goddamn hole, they gonna, they gonna, they gonna meet you, huh?

[Uncle Ocho]

But, but they're gonna wealthy you. You guys are looking at it like Jordan or who he is and what he's become. Now imagine him being on a team and he's not Michael Jordan. You think they're gonna just say, okay, shoot 27 times a game. Because when he averaged, when he averaged that, that 37, he was shooting about 27, 28 times a game. And the way these kids the wired now, these kids don't really respect anything. It's easy to say they respect Jordan now because Jordan is retired. But look at him on, on your team. It's hard, man. These guys, they did these kids different now. Joe, they not like you. Joe, they not like you and I. We would have easily. Okay, man, okay, do your thing, bro. These kids like I'm trying to get

[ISO Joe Johnson]

mine even if they didn't care. Joe, Uncle Joe, it's still Jordan. He's still gonna get his regardless, regardless of whether they respect him or not.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, they gotta pass.

[Joe Johnson]

I'll give you private.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'll give you a prime example. You get a couple of guys like Kobe. Kobe wasn't conceding ish the Shack. He's not. He didn't. And what happened? They broke it up. Kyrie got fed up. He ain't conceding what happened. They traded him. They broke it up. So you gotta look, look at, look at. Not like Jordan now with the Jordan brand, the jump man, the NASCAR and all that. You gotta look at him at today in a. Today's game player. These guys they don't respect much, Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know, and that, that's the thing, though, Uncle Joe. Even if they don't respect it, we talk about skill set, what he's able to do. Right?

[Uncle Ocho]

He's able to do.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Jordan's one of the few players, I mean, there are a few players that can play in any goddamn era and dominate, especially this era.

[Uncle Ocho]

But I got to give you the ball, Ocho. I just ain't going to take the ball. I just had it to you and just turn it over to you now. I've tried to get mine too.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean, listen, I mean, hypothetically speaking, we're talking about Jordan at his best, I'm assuming being in today's game, he putting up 40 a game.

[Uncle Ocho]

But you got to realize back then there weren't a whole lot of players. These guys now are more skilled. They're more skilled guys now than they were then.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Them guys couldn't shoot everybody on the. Everybody on the team now to shoot the three.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay. You had a Steve Kerr, you had a John. You had a Paxton and a Craig Hodges. That's three guys on the bull. Every once in a while, Jordan would get hot. But Jordan is about a 32% three point shooter, these guys.

[Walter Johnson]

Now,

[Uncle Ocho]

do I think Jordan would dominate? Yes, but I think he's gonna have to get some threes up. I just don't believe, as aggressive as he is to the basket, I just don't know if getting to the basket and shooting the midi Joe, I don't know if that's enough. You gotta hit the three. You gotta get, you gotta get six, seven threes up.

[Joe Johnson]

I think he would definitely increase his three point percentage, but the fact that could nobody stay in front of him, I just, I don't.

[Uncle Ocho]

And they let you play zone battle, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I know, but he ain't gonna, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

I think the thing is the 40 point triple double, that's what's throwing me off. If you say he gonna be, I give you that. But a 40 point triple double, that's gonna be. That's, that's the point. I'm not saying he couldn't average 40. Oh, absolutely. He could average 40.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Okay, okay, okay.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

40 point triple double is tough because what Yolk is doing is tough. So to add what he probably need another 10.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes, he's shooting. He's a 29. 10 and 12. 12. He's averaging 12 rebounds and 10 assists.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. 40 point triple double and rebound me so well.

[Uncle Ocho]

40 points.

[Joe Johnson]

He getting that?

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm not doubting that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hell, I'm telling you, if you got Shay doing what he's done doing every night before injury, he just came back. What, he had 26, 27.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. And remember he had 35 the other night and he.

[Joe Johnson]

And he.

[Uncle Ocho]

He went out because he was on a mini restriction.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. And then when you look. When you look at them old Bulls teams, even. I mean, Michael Jordan leading the catalyst, man, them dudes was yoked up, okay? I'm talking about. Boy. Them boy were cut up. Didn't. I mean, Scotty, Pippen, Dennis.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

They had the Breakfast Club to where they met, and they lift weights and all that before practice. Them dudes didn't play no games, man. You know, they.

[Uncle Ocho]

They.

[Joe Johnson]

They.

[Uncle Ocho]

They was. And plus, you got to think about it, Joe. To get average a triple double as a guard, you gotta. I mean, Russ. What Russ did is unbelievable because you got to chase down a lot of loose balls to get that 10 rebounds a game. And that's what we give.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Russ.

[Uncle Ocho]

Credit for, because, like, we're like, damn, this man. Russ is the best rebounding guard we've ever seen. A guy that's six.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's getting rebounds like that. But that's a lot of effort that you gotta exert to go chase down rebounds. The hardest part is, I think, is assist, because you got to count on somebody to make the shot.

[Joe Johnson]

I give you.

[Uncle Ocho]

I give you the best situation, but if you blow the layup or blow the bunny, you. You call, you cost me 40 points. No question in my mind. Michael Jordan can average 40 points. Hell, I think Larry Bird, the way he shot the ball, I think he could average 35. But then when you start talking about a triple double, whew. Because that means that.

[Joe Johnson]

Mean you got to go out there hunting.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Joe Johnson]

And that's why. That's why they gave Russ so much slack, because they felt like he was out there stat patting, you know, getting them triple doubles, but he out there hunting for them rebounds.

[Matt Rogers]

You're right.

[Joe Johnson]

Every time that ball go up, that boy going there getting him.

[Uncle Ocho]

Now, if you a big. You up under the basket, you gonna get. You gonna get a lot of them.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, right, right.

[Uncle Ocho]

But as a guard, you got to

[Joe Johnson]

make a conscious effort.

[Uncle Ocho]

Make a conscious to get your ass down there.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you're right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Now, Jordan's in that kind of shape because Russ is in that kind of shape to exert that kind of energy, to push the pace like he's pushing the pace to go get the rebounds, the box out to go way over there and track down the rebound. That's a lot of energy. No doubt in my mind that he could average 40, but it's the double digit assist and double digit rebounds. And I was like, I don't know about that now. I, I, I think that's asking a bit much. What the average. 37, 8, Nate. Yeah, he averaged 37, 8 and 8 the year he won the MVP. Or was it 35? I think 80, 30, 85, 86. What year did it, what was it? Or was it 87, 88 that he won MVP and defensive player of the year? He's the first to win them in the same season.

[Joe Johnson]

Am I ain't gonna even lie. I don't know what I know. It was early in his career and

[Uncle Ocho]

I think that's the thing, it's got to be early in your career because, boy, you, you ain't, you ain't gonna be no 28, 29. Chasing, chasing, chasing behind that basketball like that. That's what I'm saying. You gotta tip your hat to Russ.

[Walter Johnson]

You.

[Uncle Ocho]

Do you understand for a guard to get that many rebounds, do you understand the kind of effort, the energy, the effort that he got to put forth every single night?

[Joe Johnson]

I don't think people understand that part. You know, I'm talking about the nights where you don't feel like, yes, you really gotta still go out there and exert that energy to really get them rebounds, get them assists, you know, to score them points. Like, that's tough, bro.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, but look, just to put the ball in the basket the way he could put the ball in the basket and you couldn't hand check him. Yeah, it's gonna be hard. It's gonna be hard to keep. It's gonna be hard to keep. Hey, hey. But the problem is, Joe, they might get mad because they don't like to shoot. Either you dunk the ball or you shoot the three. You ain't shooting no mid. They get mad if you shoot the midi.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, the analytics, Analytics. Oh, we don't want to shoot the man. Damn that. I'm getting to this spot. I'm pulling up this cash. What y' all talking about? They messing up the game, man. Taking the mini out, bro.

[Uncle Ocho]

I had jump on the podcast and show up and say, man, the guy, hey, he was at the three point line, he fake guy up, guy came flying out the rap, flying out the sky. He put the ball two bounces, shot the midi. They took him out the game. Like, what you mean that's somebody. That's a bad shot. That's a bad shot. What you mean? The guy flew past me, he's like, yeah, once he fly past you, hey, gather yourself. Shoot the three.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Like really a 15, a 15 foot two point shot is a bad shot now.

[Matt Rogers]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, that's, that's all they taught us growing up. Shoot that 15 footer. That's all my uncle used to talk about. Hey, man, when I was in high school. When I was in high school. Hey, man, hey, you gotta get that 15 footer in your game, man. You gotta get that 15 footer. I'm like, all right, bro, I'm working on this 15 foot now.

[Uncle Ocho]

You need that 22 foot of your game, Joe. You need that 22 foot in your game.

[Joe Johnson]

You need, hey, look, I'm gonna keep it real. You need it all. Like, you know, the great ones.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah, great ones.

[Joe Johnson]

The great scores. Guys who really love to score, they got everything in their arsenal from them little touch shots that we call floaters.

[Walter Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Middies to the, to the 22 footers, to the three, to the two, three steps behind the three point line, they call them four level scores.

[Uncle Ocho]

And this is why. Hey, Joe, Go ahead.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm gonna add Joe, but what's your midi looking like right now?

[Joe Johnson]

Cash.

[Electric For All Advertiser]

Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Cash. Yeah, you think so? Man, listen, see, I mean, hold on,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Joe, but you saying, you saying your midi is cash, but is it cash with somebody guarding you? That's the difference.

[Uncle Ocho]

Difference.

[Joe Johnson]

Look, if you trying to say, when you guard me, I shoot that tall man on you, Ocho. I don't even see you when I go up to shoot it and I, and I let that gooseneck, we call

[Uncle Ocho]

it that, that's that gooseneck.

[Joe Johnson]

You see that?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey, Joe, can I, can I say something real quick? I mean, no disrespect, I know, but you got to bring the ball up. How you gonna bring the ball up when I'm in your face?

[Joe Johnson]

Well, in my shot pocket. So in basketball, you got shot pockets, right? I work on high pickups, so by the time I pick it up, that's like up there, you know, close to where your, where your eyes at. You ain't gonna, you ain't gonna see none of this here coming, partner. Don't even worry about that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Just get it out of Joe. Just tell him, get it out of the net.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, I, I, Joe really thinks sweet, like, I can't, I can't wait till we do this little one on one. I mean, like, it ain't it ain't what you think it is, playboy. I know I didn't play your sport. I respect you and what you do, but it really, it really ain't finna be that.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, you need high to a duck's ass, man. You ain't gonna be. You ain't been do nothing with this hip hop. Yo, you too little and you ain't got enough bricks in your back pocket, homeboy.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Joe, I'm 64205, Joe. What you mean?

[Joe Johnson]

I've been around you, partner. You ain't no six four.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay? I'm six' three. I'm six' three.

[Uncle Ocho]

And I think the fake, but also the one thing we know, the really great players can evolve their game. You look at, look at LeBron. Yeah, LeBron didn't shoot the three. I mean, he's struggling a little bit. He's struggling a little bit, but you see every, he's like, you know what? If I want to stay, I'm going to have to shoot this three. Look at Brook Lopez. Brook Lopez has found a way to stay in the game, cuz he's never been a great rebounder, but guess what he's been able to do at seven foot tall. He's been able to go beyond the three point line and make an honest living doing that. And so Jordan absolutely gotten better. Jordan would have got. So the 40 points, I, I ain't even worried about the 40. The 40 is easy. That's easy. You're hoping he don't get 4550,

[Walter Johnson]

because

[Joe Johnson]

think about it, in basketball, fellas, you got. All you do, bro, is go to the gym and work on. And shoot your. And shoot jumpers. Shoot jumpers all day. So if you do that every day, consistently, you know, repetitions, repetitions, repetitions, man, you're gonna become a hell of a shooter. So that's why when LeBron first came into the NBA, Uncle Ocho, he wasn't no great shooter, right? He had to work on that. He had to work on that. Then he became a pretty good shooter, you know what I mean? You ain't doing. You can't do nothing with what he got going on.

[Uncle Ocho]

And the thing is kind of like, like what? They did the same thing with him like they do to Giannis. Build a wall. We got to keep him out of the paint, keep him out of the lane. Hey, Pop, you tell him back off, give him back. If he wanted to shoot a 17 footer, let him have it. Just don't get so close that he can go by you and dunk on your head.

[Joe Johnson]

There you go.

[Uncle Ocho]

So, hey, and the really good. The really good guys, they're gonna adapt. They're gonna find a way. They're gonna find a way to get the job done. You know, they say Jordan couldn't go this way and he couldn't go that way. All I know is nobody could put the ball. And they talk about was, this guy's a better score. All I know, that man had a bunch of 30 point seasons. You don't win 10 scoring titles without being prolific at putting the ball in the basket.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, 10.

[Uncle Ocho]

And he won seven consecutive. Took a break and say, you know what I see, I'll be back in one. Three more.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe, what if Jordan never did take that break? Do you see any more championships in that window where he was gone?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, he would have got two more. I think he got bored. I think he got bored okay, Ocho. That's why he wanted, you know, obviously his dad passing probably weighed a lot on him.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And him wanting to go try baseball to see if he. He was so good at basketball. I think he was like, you know what? I think I can take this greatness. The. The baseball.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I wanna. I wanna challenge myself.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He went out for that challenge, took a couple years off, came back and picked up right where he left off at. Man, nobody done that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's crazy.

[Uncle Ocho]

I think the thing is, man, it's easy to say yes, but we've seen an injury here or injury there, and it changes the whole landscape because we saw Scottie Pippen's back, how it gave out on him and it almost cost him the series against Utah.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Uncle Ocho]

And before. And before they really started winning, Scotty had problems with migraines. And we saw how that inhibit impacted them. Winning so mad. So many things have to be right. And for the most part, he never got injured in the playoffs. He never had. Well, nothing was reported. I mean, I'm sure he had bumps and bruises, but he really never had. And he never had a teammate. He didn't have a teammate to go down like, oh, when San Antonio had. Was going. And they would look like they was gonna give Golden State all they can handle. And Pache shot in. Kawhi lands on his ankle.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Jacob Goldstein]

Boom.

[Uncle Ocho]

He out.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Kyrie and Kevin Love. He's out. Magic. One year, Magic hurt his hamstring. And then James Worth the hurt his hamstring. The Bulls were very, very fortunate not to have any serious injuries, but to put together a streak like that, Joe, where they. They Once they won, you know, three and three. But to put it together and to go eight straight. To go eight straight years, it's hard, man, to keep all that rubber on the tread.

[Joe Johnson]

Cause think about your mentality got to be different.

[Uncle Ocho]

You. You go.

[T Mobile/US Cellular Advertiser]

You.

[Uncle Ocho]

You playing the June every year, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, think about it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Your mentality got to be different, Uncle Ocho. Like, these dudes never got satisfied with winning, with success. You know what I mean? They was always okay. Boom, let's win another one. Boom, let's win another one. Like, bro, mentally gotta wear and tell you because you're going to the end of the season every year. And then picking right back up with.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, we got a very special guest joining us now. It's time to welcome Mr. Tenderism himself, Mr. Walter Johnson. Mr. Johnson, how you doing? You muted unmute yourself.

[Joe Johnson]

Old school. Like, damn. I don't know what.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hopefully somebody that can help. He's muted chat. Bear with us just a second.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

If I. If this world were mine.

[Joe Johnson]

Take your time, old school. We got.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, this barbecue, it's just. It's just getting tender. It's just getting. It's gonna fall out the bone when it come on. It's gonna fall out the bone, y', all, so just bear with us just a second.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh,

[Walter Johnson]

Can y' all hear me?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, we got you now.

[Walter Johnson]

I don't know why y' all was trying to crack on me, Mike. Hey, but anyway, man. Hey, man, why y' all do me like that, man? Cold, man. I ain't do y' all like that. Can you see me?

[Uncle Ocho]

We know once you put them glasses on, I said, this ain't about to get worked out now.

[Walter Johnson]

Yeah, and that's a fact, Jack. Hey, hey, look here. Can you. Can you see me?

[Uncle Ocho]

We can see you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I can see.

[Walter Johnson]

All right. Everything cool?

[Uncle Ocho]

Everything is everything.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, man, I appreciate you the honors, man. You accepted me on your show.

[Uncle Ocho]

Thank you. No, thank you for coming on, Uncle. No, Joe. And Joe, we really appreciate you. Can we go back to the beginning? How does this. How did you become involved and how did this. Destination, Smokehouse. How did this thing take off?

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, you know, I'll tell you what it was. See, we started it. It was a place. It was. It was a shop.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay.

[Walter Johnson]

It was a coffee shop.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay.

[Walter Johnson]

And I went in about four or five years ago, and then I made some gumbo. I've been with America since. And so we flipped the coffee shop to a smokehouse.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

So you go in there. It was a coffee Shop. You go in there and make some gumbo and you turn it into a smokehouse. Now, I. I found out about destination because I see you and you talk about you shaking the stuff, the. The brisket and. And the beef ribs, and it's falling off the bones. Then you started doing oxtail. So from the time we got to the coffee shop, turning into the smoke, the smokehouse, until we are now. How do we get from that to this to where we are now, Mr. Johnson?

[Walter Johnson]

Tendonism.

[Uncle Ocho]

Tendonism.

[Walter Johnson]

That's how we got there.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, Tyndonism. That's a fact. You coined the phrase tenderism.

[Walter Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle Ocho]

And so now it seems like everybody started like, man, Unc got this thing going on because a lot of people in the beginning thought it was your shop. They didn't realize that you had, you know, you fixed the gumbo, but you were not the sole proprietor or you wasn't the proprietor of the shop. So how do we end up. Is there a fallout? Are you still cool with the owner? What's going on? Because I'm hearing that you open up a shop in Texas, might be having something coming to Atlanta. So how did we get to where we are now, Mr. Johnson?

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, man. This is how we got there, Sean. Hey, Texas. Houston. Let's start with Houston.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay.

[Walter Johnson]

I spoke to a gentleman one night. He said, I got two restaurants. Okay, cool. I looked at the restaurant. Now, what I will do is go out there and help him open the restaurant so he can get him a team. Right? But I'm in California and then moving to Houston. Hey, man, I ain't no young chicken no more.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, you still with Elway? Let's be for real about this. Yeah. You ate on Federal Boulevard. No more running up down that field. So you know about that. Don't worry about. I was right around the corner from me.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Walter Johnson]

At that time. Yes, sir. Yeah. As a matter of fact, when you ask me that question. You make some cognac, too, man? You can email my cognac tonight. No, I'm just. Hey, man, don't be playing with me, man. It's Southside Chicago.

[Uncle Ocho]

I can get it. I can get it to you.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, just get it to me, man. Look it up. Southside Chicago or the west side? You grew up on one of them side?

[Uncle Ocho]

I did. I grew up on the south side, okay?

[Walter Johnson]

Everybody saying street stuff like that. But anyway, I don't know too much about Southside. I know you know about that hell, though. Yes, you do. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Mr. Johnson, I left at a very so now I left at a very young age. You're gonna help a gentleman open up a restaurant or one of. I will Restaurant. Go ahead.

[Walter Johnson]

I will.

[Uncle Ocho]

You will. Is there anything. Is there anything brewing in Atlanta?

[Walter Johnson]

In Atlanta. I gotta go down there and talk to a guy his Steve Barbecue. So I'm gonna go down there and check him out and if he needs some assistance, if he got it together cool in the gang, I'm letting know if Mr. Tendonism approve of it. You did what I'm saying if you don't have together. I tell some tweaks twats. You know, I put that snap back on me. You did what I'm saying? Yes, sir.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, tell me something, Mr. Titanism. Hey, you. You tell them a difference between barbecue and grill. Because, see, a lot of these cats think they putting meat on the grill and they think they got the tendonism. Tell them the difference between the barbecue. Because I'm sure you probably over there using a smoker.

[Walter Johnson]

I use smoker. Barbecue, two bricks oven grill. Hey, man, look, I've been doing, boy. I get out like fat red cheese factory. Where you at? I come to your house and I'm cook same. You. You tell me, Mr. Sharp. Tenderness. When I finish tenderness. You don't need no teeth for the meat. That's right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, yes, sir. Johnson, we. Hey, listen, my last name Johnson too. We might be related because you. You got the gift of gabby, man.

[Walter Johnson]

Look at you. Hey, wait. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, hey, hey. Look at. I don't know if y' all trying to get no mind. I ain't got no hey anyhow. Hey, Sean. Oh, that's cold. Blow the hell, Mike. Hey, but, hey, Josh, I had a whole lot of brothers, though. I ain't gonna talk about.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Wait.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, you ain't got no family down here in Miami?

[Walter Johnson]

No, I don't know, man. Cause there's a whole lot of us. Yes, sir. Yeah, I had brothers. One sister.

[Joe Johnson]

Where you from?

[Walter Johnson]

I was born in Gary, Indiana. I know about that south side, too.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yeah?

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Walter Johnson]

Down 94.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Walter Johnson]

That's right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes. That's why you. That's why you so familiar with Chicago.

[Walter Johnson]

You right around the corner familiar with it. Boy, look at him. I don't even want to tell you. Anyhow, we gonna move right along from Chinatown and then. Yeah, but no, man. I spent a whole lot of time in the South. Yeah?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Walter Johnson]

Learning different trades about cooking.

[Uncle Ocho]

So did you ever envision that the tenderness and what you had started. Did you ever think it would blow up like this. So when, When. When did you realize that, you know what? We might be on to something?

[Walter Johnson]

When I roll that oxtail, man, one day, man, on the side of the building. Black diamonds. Yeah, it came off like an orange.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Walter Johnson]

I knew it was on something and I said, oh, look at him. That tendonism. And then from that point on, man, look, just keep it like this. But hey, it is what it is. Tendonism.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, Mr. Johnson. For all. For those of us. For those of us that are watching, including myself, if we want to try the tendonism and see what it's all about, where can we go?

[Walter Johnson]

Only thing you have to do is send your address, get in touch with Mr. Joe, Dr. Joe White, and I come right over to your house in your backyard front yard.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, you cooking. You cooking. Oh, you sure?

[Walter Johnson]

You don't think I can cook?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You can grill here.

[Walter Johnson]

Well, look here up. Oh, dad. What I just say, Shark.

[Uncle Ocho]

You say you cook. You say you cook.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, man, it's PP Poke, all right? Yeah, man, don't be playing with me, Mike.

[Uncle Ocho]

So we did. I ain't got no smoke. I just got a little one of them. Little one of them hardware grills. You know, the little round one.

[Walter Johnson]

Yeah, you gotta worry about that. See, Home Depot ain't too far from you. And we just go get you a smoker put in the backyard, and I

[Joe Johnson]

get dizzy, you know?

[Walter Johnson]

Yeah, that's how.

[Uncle Ocho]

That again. Until you use it.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, oh, no, man, look here. We ain't bad, you know. Hey, man, you gotta pay, man. Come on, man. You know. Hey, this, huh?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, we. I. I ain't got no problem buying the grill, but I don't know how to cook on the grill. I don't know.

[Walter Johnson]

I'm gonna teach you, man. Hey, man, you know. Hey, man, come on, just let me take the glass off so you get a good look.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm gonna take mine off, too. But let me tell you, while you cook it, I'm gonna be in the house watching tv. Let me know when it's ready.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, now.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, hey.

[Joe Johnson]

I want to learn.

[Walter Johnson]

Look up. Only thing y' all got to do is set it up and I drop down.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I'm matter of fact, sometimes, Sometime this summer, Mr. Johnson, you know, I have. I have all my kids. I got. I got about. About 20. You got 27 kids, I think.

[Walter Johnson]

Yeah. Go to Swift Meat Market right now, start buying me. Yeah. And then we work it out. Yeah, 27 kids.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Walter Johnson]

I definitely won't cook for you. You gotta help me out to ensure kids all local health.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I got a lot.

[Walter Johnson]

That's all right, man. You can have them all. I just be that uncle. Yes, sir.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I appreciate that. We gonna do that. We gonna do that. I'm. I'm gonna stream. I'm stream that on Twitch.

[Walter Johnson]

All right.

[Uncle Ocho]

What. What. What's your. What's the. If I said, okay, come in. I need you to cook. I got my family just close. It's gonna be like 15, 20 of us. What you. What you cooking?

[Walter Johnson]

Yeah, I cook the oxtail, the beef, real pork chop, I mean, and then put some sides on the. You know. On the side? Yeah. Well, you. Hey, only thing you gotta do is tell me what you want, go to the store and get it. I'm gonna put it on the grill. Tenderness is gonna come out of you. Ain't gonna leave your teeth at home, though. Yes, sir.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. I want. I want. I'm looking for some of that.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, man, look here. Only thing I had to do, go get about five and brisket. I put all of them on at one time. And the oxtail and the pork chop, I.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, man, pork chop. You don't like cooking pork ribs? I like ribs.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, man, I cook you some radios, man. It don't make no difference when they St. Louis. That's the difference. You asked me about smoking. So you can put. You can smoke some ribs or you put them on the grill. The two different things about smoking, the heat gonna right, go in the carry and smoke the meat right Slow, but sure. Now, grilling, that's a fast cook. You gotta watch it right?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Walter Johnson]

But anyway, y' all want to do it fast cook, slow cook.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, slow and steady.

[Walter Johnson]

I like all day long. You know what I'm talking about? Slow and steady.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Well, I might go ahead before you come, I might go ahead and get on this egg right here. Might go to Home Depot tomorrow, get on this egg and. And work it out. So, you know, me and you have a little competition. And I had a tender rhythm, too.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, that's not. That's not. Worry about competition. Stay with airway now.

[Jacob Goldstein]

Okay.

[Walter Johnson]

Okay. So. Hey, man, hey, you ain't gonna get a touchdown. You ain't gonna be tidy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Walter Johnson]

You all right. Yeah. Make uncle crazy. Hey, okay. I'm gonna do something to you, man. How am I. Let's try the easy stuff. This. Sean, that cognac? No, I'm just playing.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, I love the oxtails off the grill. I mean, off the smoker.

[Walter Johnson]

Now, okay, one thing you got to do, man, is get the smoker. I show up and show out. Yes, sir.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, how much? How much, Mr. Johnson, how much does smoker cost?

[Walter Johnson]

I'll do a couple hundred dollars.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Walter Johnson]

Talking about little smoker. Now, if you want to go get a great big smoker.

[Joe Johnson]

No. Hell no.

[Walter Johnson]

No. Just go down there to Home Depot. You want to offset.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Walter Johnson]

And sit on the side. Yeah, it's round, it's black. Yeah, yeah, Just go get that. Okay, Call me up. And y' all got them jets, right? Just pick me up, man. Just pick me up and I'll come over there and get busy.

[Uncle Ocho]

We will fly. Were you in Houston? We'll find a Houston.

[Walter Johnson]

I'm in Hemet, California, where everything original.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay.

[Walter Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Joe Johnson]

But you about to get ready to come here to Atlanta. Where you going?

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm gonna come.

[Walter Johnson]

I'll be there on 13th and 14th.

[Uncle Ocho]

A March 13th.

[Walter Johnson]

Yes. Yes, sir. It's a fan bill. It's Steve's Barbecue.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, Steve Barnes, Vanville, Georgia. Yeah, you know, I saw him. I think. If I saw him, I think I saw him on IG on Tick Tock.

[Walter Johnson]

Okay. Yeah, that's where I'm going. I'll be there. Hey, hey, y' all gotta do it. Come down there. 13, 14. You see what we do? Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

So you like. You like a higher gun? You like a hired barbecue. Barbecue gun now, huh? So you just go around, take your talents anywhere?

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, man, I tend to knees. I'm trying 10 in there. The whole world. I want to go there. I ran 10 years from Campbell's, you know what I mean, to Dubai. You understand? Yes, sir.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, so you opening up your own.

[Walter Johnson]

I just won't tell them some stuff. I come by people house and tend to rack up, man. Get no younger, man. You think I'll get up early in the morning, you know it's 4 o' clock in the morning. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right, then. Hey, hey. A little bit older, y'. All. Okay. Hey, hey, man, I don't know why y' all ain't send me the 401k. No, I'm just fine. No, I'm just playing. Hey, I like having fun, man. I like having fun.

[Uncle Ocho]

I mean, we, we. I mean, we look, we stop, we still follow. We always go support you no matter where you go. Hey, yeah, you. It don't matter. You can go across the world. You can go wherever if you got a social media page. And if you go close by, we gonna show up and we gonna support you. Yeah.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, where you at?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm in Vegas.

[Walter Johnson]

Are you next door to me?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, right. I just left California about two years ago. I was in LA for two years.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, you.

[Uncle Ocho]

For eight years.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, you're on the north side, south side.

[Uncle Ocho]

Vegas. I'm in Summerlin.

[Walter Johnson]

Y' all know where about a hospital, Fort Apache?

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Actually, I am.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, man, I don't know nothing about Las Vegas.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know, something about you over here talking about Fort Apache.

[Walter Johnson]

I don't understand that. Tropicana, Decatur, Rainbow. I don't know too much about it, huh? Lake Mead.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hello. What you know about. What you know about Rainbow? Lake B. Tropicana.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, man, I ran across through there because I might have been working at the MGM at the time, but anyhow.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Walter Johnson]

Let me see some more of them places out there. Yeah, man. No, my daughter stay there right now.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, really?

[Walter Johnson]

Yeah, she does.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, I tell you what, when you come. When you come visit her, I'm gonna have to smoke the. Ready? Do I need cherry? Do I need cherry? Oh, what type of wood I need.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, get the hickory and let me handle it. Matter of fact, I'm gonna call Joe right now. Hey, Joe. Hey, man, we going to Vegas? No, I'm just. I'm just playing with you. Hey, right now? Y' all right down the road, Four hours away. Yeah, yeah, I know.

[Uncle Ocho]

Put the car on the road.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, man, if I can put it on the road tonight, come down there. Hey, we need to stay at one of the hotels or something, man. Cause, you know, we got to do this right? Hey, Joe, you listen to Mike? Hey, man, it's just Sharp trying to get me down there, Mike, but we gotta take care of that thing. No, just. Hey, but anytime you want me to come, Mr. Sharp, you just. You pick a date.

[Uncle Ocho]

Just for the day.

[Walter Johnson]

I say you pick a day.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, okay. Because you know what? We might have, like, we have a nightcap, get out, and we bring all them in, and you, you know, you cook it up.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, well, look at here. Night cap, afternoon cap, morning cap. I would do what I do. I have oxtail omelets. What you talking about? Yeah. You ain't had one before. Hey, okay, I ain't never heard that. Don't you know I'm a country ball? I do country things.

[Uncle Ocho]

I do. Yeah, absolutely.

[Walter Johnson]

And I love eating. That's a fact, Jack. Yes, sir. It sure is big. We just pop,

[Uncle Ocho]

baby. So great to have you on, Mr. Johnson.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, man, doing good. It's great being there. Man, I'm hanging in there, man. I ain't gonna give up. Yes, sir.

[Uncle Ocho]

Working people go to the. To donate to your GoFundMe. You got to GoFundMe account set up.

[Walter Johnson]

Right? It's Walter Johnson, GoFundMe page.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay.

[Walter Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

We're gonna get. We're gonna get something to you, Mr. Johnson, because we really appreciate it. We appreciate everything that you've done. We love the fact that you came on and you talked about what you're doing, not what has transpired in the past. You didn't salt anybody up. You didn't talk negative about anybody. You. All you talked about was positivity and about how you and could move forward. You have fun with Ocho and I and Joe, and we really appreciate that. So we're gonna get something to you. We look forward to seeing. But this is not the last you've heard from Nightcap. You will hear from us again.

[Walter Johnson]

I want to come down there on the show since you're not so far away. You down there in Las Vegas, boy. Look at him.

[Uncle Ocho]

Come on. You want to come on the live show?

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, man. Yeah, I want to come, man. We stood up.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, okay.

[Walter Johnson]

You just set it up, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, we'll definitely set it up. The next live show we have. You're gonna be on it. You're gonna be a guest on it.

[Matt Rogers]

It.

[Walter Johnson]

Oh, hey, okay. Hey, man, I'm hold you at that, too, man. Yes, sir.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, we got it.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, I appreciate it, though. Man. I appreciate. Yes, sir, I do.

[Uncle Ocho]

Thank you so much. Thank you, Mr. Johnson.

[Walter Johnson]

All right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Tendonism. Here he is, Mr. That's a fact.

[Walter Johnson]

Jack,

[Uncle Ocho]

thank you for joining us tonight. We appreciate your time.

[Walter Johnson]

I appreciate y' all talk to about. Talk to Joe and get me there. Cool. In the game. I'm gone. Booyah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, man. So he had to go fund me account. You found it. We're gonna put it.

[Joe Johnson]

We're gonna pin it.

[Uncle Ocho]

We're gonna pin that link in the chat.

[Walter Johnson]

All right, then. Cool.

[Uncle Ocho]

Appreciate it. Appreciate it.

[Walter Johnson]

Appreciate y'. All. Y' all take care.

[Joe Johnson]

Stay safe.

[Walter Johnson]

God bless all.

[Uncle Ocho]

Absolutely it.

[Walter Johnson]

Booyah.

[Uncle Ocho]

You must be pretty busy. Cause he coming out at the 13:14oo. Coming down on the 16th. You gonna be busy that week.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, man, I ain't got no time not to be busy. I'mma be busy. Hey. The rest of my life. Yeah, man. Try to get it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I want to see what he's talking about. I'm gonna go check him out.

[Walter Johnson]

Huh? Just stay right there at the nightcap. I'm check y' all out and bring y' all team together and we gonna feed them, see?

[Joe Johnson]

All right.

[Walter Johnson]

Jesus. Jesus said feed him. Then I give him the word.

[Uncle Ocho]

All right?

[Walter Johnson]

Yeah. Cause you can't do nothing on here.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I know.

[Walter Johnson]

Look, I see you. You think I can't see you? I know you. You did.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What?

[Walter Johnson]

I'm saying you look ill. Yes, sir. You ain't gonna be by yourself, though. I eat, too.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay. That's what I'm talking about.

[Walter Johnson]

Yes, sir. You like hot water? Cornbread? Black eyed peas?

[Uncle Ocho]

Cornbread with the iron skillet? Oh, my goodness.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, what about the candy yams?

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, what about. Don't you know? Man, come on, you know. Dude, don't be quiet. You know we love candy yam.

[Matt Rogers]

Don't.

[Walter Johnson]

Family. Family.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

We.

[Walter Johnson]

Look, I don't think y' all give me that. You give me that proof, and we're

[Uncle Ocho]

going to make it happen. And you know what? We're going to make it happen. We're going to make it happen.

[Walter Johnson]

Cool. In the game.

[Uncle Ocho]

I promise you, this summer, we gonna make it happen.

[Walter Johnson]

Yes, sir, Mr. Sharp, we might have to.

[Uncle Ocho]

We might have to start early in the morning and take a break because they get real hot and doing midday in Vegas.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, man, look.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Walter Johnson]

I stayed on Fort Apache. I think I stayed on Lake Mead, right off of Rainbow.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Huh?

[Walter Johnson]

Tropicana. Yeah, I know how hot it get.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Walter Johnson]

Ain't worried about no heat. Cause you. Hey, in the kitchen, if you can't stand the heat, you shouldn't be in that kitchen.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay. Hello.

[Walter Johnson]

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

We got you.

[Walter Johnson]

But y' all make it happen.

[Uncle Ocho]

I show show up, we gonna make it happen. We're gonna let you get on out of here. Mr. Johnson, thanks for joining us tonight. We appreciate that, and we look forward to seeing you real soon.

[Walter Johnson]

All right. God bless y'. All. Remember that. I say this right here. That word, life. If you take the L. E off, life you'll have. If you. You wake up right? That fold. That word. Powerful, ain't it? Booyah gone.

[Uncle Ocho]

Appreciate you.

[Walter Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle Ocho]

Have a great rest of your evening.

[Walter Johnson]

You do the same.

[Uncle Ocho]

All righty.

[Walter Johnson]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. I guess he don't get very many people to talk to.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Mr. Johnson,

[Uncle Ocho]

Man, that was great. We're gonna get him out here. I'm gonna bring him out here. Yeah, I'm gonna get. I'm gonna have a. I'm gonna have a Home Depot deliver. Deliver me a little smoker, and I'm gonna get him out here, see what he putting down.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey, Joe. Joe Hung. I'm sure gonna do something with the kids, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, you know.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know, grandma house. Grandma house gonna be done in the summer.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. So, you know, we got break it in.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I'm gonna break it in the way it used to be back in the days Grandma have all the kids over, man, you know, and gotta get that.

[Walter Johnson]

That. That.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That tradition back going, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's awesome, man. Man, he was so bad. He was so geeked. Ocho to my man. Thank y' all for coming, having me on nightcap, man. He was geeked, man. We were geek to have it, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Right. Hey, look, when y' all go to having these events with Augh. Now, y' all make sure y' all send that invite, all right?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. We got you, Joe. We got you.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Joe, you want us? What you talking about, man?

[Joe Johnson]

Well, you know, I had to just reassure some things. You know what I mean? Yeah, I see.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's bragging too much, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

I'll say. Here you go. Here you go.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Don't worry about it. I got you.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm gonna take care of him. Don't worry about it.

[Joe Johnson]

You gonna take care who you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, you ain't gonna be able to brag too much more. Too much longer, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, man, y' all just gotta chill, all right?

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, just chill.

[Walter Johnson]

Hey, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey. Let's blow up wherever Unc go. Let's blow up that spot.

[Joe Johnson]

Bet.

[Uncle Ocho]

Bet.

[Joe Johnson]

Unc said he traveling. He traveling with that tendonism.

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