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Say fellas, stay confident, stay ready and let them sparks fly when the moment is just right. Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. As you watch the OKC Thunder go up 2 0, as did the Detroit Pistons. The Thunder win 125 to 107 and even though Shea was kept in check, Chet Holmgren and the other guys chipped in really well. Ajay Mitchell, Jerry McCain came up the bench. Kayson Wallace, it was just too much for the Lakers to handle as they win 125 to 107. Thank you guys again for joining us. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite uncle. That is my partner and co host, the Liberty City legend, the Bingo Ring of Fame honoree, the Matting ratings adjuster, a former Pro Bowler and an All Pro, he's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. And the third member of the Big Three is a Big three mvp, a seven time NBA All Star from the Atlanta Hawks, University of Arkansas alum that is ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. 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Same great quality, same great taste, same smoothness. Please, please drink responsibly and stay safe. Well, it's hard to beat a five eight on five, Joe, but the ref did show their ugly heads tonight. But we'll get into that a little later. But the Thunder beat the Lakers 125 to 107. They had what? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 guys in double figures. Hardenstein was perfect, was 5 or 6 from the floor. He had 10. Chet was 22.7 of 11. Shay was 7 to 13, was in foul trouble. And Jay Mitchell played unbelievable ball tonight. He had 20 points. Case and Wallace had 12. Jerry McClain had 18. And it was just too much for the Lakers to overcome. And I knew once the Lakers they had a lead when Shea went to the bench. And I say if y' all don't increase this lead, it's going to get ugly when he comes back into the ball game in the fourth quarter. And that is exactly what happened. And that's what happened the last time, Joe. Every time Shea goes out, most of the time when teams lose their best player be his rest time or he gets in foul trouble, the other team claws into the lead. But not with this Thunder team. They're able to expand the lead. And it's kind of like what we saw with the warriors when they were in their prime. Their backup unit would come in and whatever lead the unit the starters had, they would expand on it. And if they didn't have the lead, they would claw into it and they would have the lead once the starters came back in the game. But The Thunder win 125 to 107. Take a commanding two O. Lee. Joe, what is it that the OK thunders. What the Thunders are doing and how do the Lakers at some point in time late in the fourth quarter make this series competitive? Joe, you muted. I don't know, but I. I think the thing is, Ocho, while Joe gets his mic straightened out.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Is that they've done an unbelievable job in the first two games. Shay is averaging basically 20 points a game.
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Uncle Ocho
Right.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He normally averages 31 points a game shooting at a very high efficiency. Now he did, he got what, seven of his 22 points. Free throw line. Go ahead, Go ahead, Joe.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah, my bad, my bad. I don't know what it. I don't know what the Lakers can do. I just think OKC is just way too disciplined. Uncle Ocho.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yep.
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Uncle Ocho
No, think about it. Hell, Kayson Wallace played more minutes than Shay tonight.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes.
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Uncle Ocho
You know what I mean? I just think, you know, they got too many guys who can beat you. They're so poised and patience and what and what they do collectively as a team. And if we just keeping it 100 fellas, the Lakers just ain't got enough. I mean, hell, without Luka, that's 33 points a night. Look, you probably could get away with that in the Houston series, but not against the defending champs. Fellas, you need somebody who can go out here and help. Now, AR played great tonight. I thought Braun has been solid. Hell, Ruchi Ruiz playing great, but you just need another guy, too, bro. They just got too many. Look, Jerry McCain came in here, he don't. They don't miss a beat when they sub. Okay? See, you know they got guys coming off the bench, bro, who get right to it, and they're not afraid of the moment. I think OKC is still the most dangerous team in the post season, bro. They just. They got a plethora of guys who they can go to or who asserts themselves and are willing to step up to the challenge.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, I was disappointed in LeBron's play tonight, Joe. He wasn't aggressive at all. He was very content to just stand in the corner and then try to get the ball at the nail and then try to do something that's not
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Uncle Ocho
going to cut it.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Guy stole the ball from. They had a guy on his backside. He let Lou Dort come over the top. That. That's. That's unacceptable. And the little flurry that he had in the fourth quarter, that's not enough. We needed that. We need that assertiveness in the third quarter. When Shay gets to the A call, the guys up, say, look, this is where we try to get some separation. This is where we try to put some distance between us and them. Their best player is gone. And what do they do? Politely, the team goes on a what, a 13, 14, 2 run.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I'm like, are you kidding me? Yeah, are you kidding me? Nobody has the wherewithal. Everybody getting beat off the dribble. Then you come help, they kick it wide open, threes. Now you go small. You can't keep chat off the glass. But I was just disappointed. And again, two rebounds. Remember last night, Joe, he had no rebounds.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah, none.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
With about two minutes left in the third quarter. Yeah, he got one and then one hit the floor and he just picked it up. That ain't gonna get it done. Yeah, that ain't gonna get done. We're gonna look at this and say, well, he shoot 50, 50 from the floor, and that's not good enough because. Okay, when are those points coming? We needed those points. A lot of. We needed those points in the third quarter. Yeah, that's when you. Cause this is the closest the Lakers have really been to them. And then all of a sudden, Shay goes to the Bench. They step on the gas with basically their backups and don't look back. End up a tail light.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah, going on, Joe.
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Joe Johnson
But hey, Joe, you got to think about it, right? I mean, this is what we expected. This is what we've seen from OKC all season long, regardless of who their opponent was, regardless of who they were playing. We've seen Shea go out, huh? We've seen Shay not playing, and we've seen that, that, that, that that team still be afloat because of what they have. That the way that team is run, the way that team is constructed, is by committee. So even if Shea does go down, they still have enough ballers in Shet and some of these other young fellas, Hartenstein and, And Lou Dort, I mean, not, not Lou Dort, but Mitchell, I mean, Caruso, they all come in and contribute and do what they're supposed to do, whether the goddamn Thunder chose to go big or small. The Lakers really never had the firepower to be able to be able to hang with them. And they can't go score for score. You mentioned when, when Shay went out. It's time for the Lakers to take advantage of those situations and kind of close the gap or try to close the gap to maybe, maybe close the lead, but they still don't have enough. And then you try and you ask for LeBron to be able to summons it up. But again, LeBron is still that 41 year old that you always talk about, right? So he can't.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I think the thing. And plus too many turnovers. Marcus Smart has been really careless with the ball. How many? Let me ask you, think about this, Joe. How many illegal picks? There's not a game that's gone by that Jackson Hayes hadn't got a moving screen call.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He gets one every game.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah, bro.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You have to be still.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And he gets one every game. Sometimes he gets two a game. I'm like, bro, you've been in the league far too long. And then you look at the riff like what he's telling you. You're moving, you have to be stationary.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Lazy passes. And I'm like, are you kidding me? I don't believe. I don't believe. But I'm saying all you can hope for is to get the game late in the fourth quarter with a chance to win. But when you down, you down 16 with three minutes to go against that team, you're not coming back.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, no, but, but think about this too.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Coming back. And if somebody would have told me, say, hey, guess what? Shay's gonna be only averaging 20 points in game two. He's gonna go out, be out a large part of the game with foul trouble. I was like, well, Lakers got a great chance. At no point in time in the fourth quarter, did you think the Lakers had a chance to beat this team?
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Uncle Ocho
No, sir.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
In game one or two?
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Uncle Ocho
No, sir. Hey, hey, they climbed back in it when they was down early by double, by double digits. Hey, I, I, I, I think out of the 20 turnovers that the Lakers had, 15 of them came from your starters. Yes, and, and, and that's a recipe for disaster on the road, fellas. It's hard to beat a great team, especially a championship caliber team with 20 turnovers. You just can't do it. And then another thing, if, if Braun is going to be kind of average like this, then he needs Aiden to play well, you know, he ain't got to be great. Aiden ain't got to be great, right? He gonna need, he gonna need to get you at least 15 points, you know, eight to 10 rebounds, just for y' all to stay in the game and compete. It's just too much because you don't get nothing from your bench. Luke Canard came in and gave you a little something. But for the most part, you relying so much on your starters, bro, that it's, it weighs heavy on them. And then once you do get in that fourth quarter and it's a tight game, man, y' all know OKC got another run now. They got another run in them because they still fresh. One of the youngest teams and they ain't bogging. Not one person down with a bunch of damn minutes. You know what I'm saying? You look at Chick, they ain't got no, they don't got no answer for Chick, Uncle Ocho. Nope, they don't. And I, I think the more and more he becomes aggressive and asserts himself, the better off they gonna be. He plays great off Shay understanding that. Damn, every time Shea is in a pick and roll or whatnot, they trying to double team, keep the ball out of his hands. Hey, look, you can tell OKC practices, they goes over it because when that ball comes out, those other guys are ready to shoot or they just too deep, man. They too deep. Hey, listen, I, I know we want to see the Lakers get a game or two. I don't even, I don't even know if they can do that, to be honest.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I thought this was a great game. Especially late in the third quarter, I was like, oh, man, Shay gone. Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, Joe. They had like a three or four, maybe a four point lead when Shay left. I say, okay, you expand that. Let's get to the fourth quarter. You got a lead going into the fourth quarter. You look up, they down 10.
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Uncle Ocho
Hey, you look at that damn Case and Wallace and that damn Jerry McCain. Yeah, man. I mean, you talking about two pivotal players and what OKC does, bro, as far as getting things done. Oh, Shay, you. You gotta take a break. Oh, don't worry, I got you. I got you. We gonna pick up the slack. And they do it every game. This is. This is carbon copy of how they've been great throughout the whole season, bro. Yes, Shay is awesome. He's the mvp. The reigning. But, bro, they got. Hell, if Shay said out, they probably can still win the game. Yeah. Just keep it real. They got guys who get to it. Fellas.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
And uncle and Joe, you got to understand, right? FGA missed time during the season, and they didn't miss a beat. They didn't miss a beat. Even though Shea's not scoring 30 in this series, he's scoring 20. They still haven't missed a beat when he goes out. They still haven't missed a beat if they. They continue to float. If a. I think if you take the Lakers, right, And you say they played perfect basketball. They didn't have any turnovers. They played well in transitional offense and on defense, they still wouldn't win this game because they not getting enough from everybody else. Achimura played well. LeBron did enough. Austin smart looks like himself. Austin smart. Austin Reeves looked like himself again. Yeah, but it's just not enough. Deandre Aydin, you got to come to the party.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Three points. Got you.
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Joe Johnson
You have an invitation to come to the party.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
3.
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Joe Johnson
He's up and down.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You don't know what you gonna get from right there at the rim. Why not dunk it? Why he trying to lay the ball up, bro? I'm like, bro, you right there, you seven foot tall and you trying to lay the ball up. That's yic. Let YIC lay the ball up.
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Uncle Ocho
You dunk it.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, he lays it up, he misses it, gets it back again and misses it again.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah. You can't.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
When you turn the ball, first of all, the last thing you can do if you don't have. It's kind of like Ocho. When you don't have a high powered offensive football, the last thing you can do is turn the ball because you don't have the weaponry to get back into the ball game. Yes, that is the Lakers problem because they don't have the offensive firepower. The last thing that you can do is turn the ball over. Yes. First of all you can't turn it over. You don't have the firepower. You and you're not a good defensive team.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So you got the three things that you could ill afford to be and that's what you are. They can't stop anybody. I still don't understand a J a job. Mitchell, he's a left handed guy. He gonna get to his left. I be damned if they not playing on the damn right on his right shoulder. Why he's not right handed. He's left handed.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey if you notice people play James Harden, they get on his left shoulder. Yeah, I'm gonna let you. I'm gonna make you beat me with your non dominant hand. Don't let him get to the support
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are more lefty dominant than right handed players are right dominant.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You look at the guy that's been left handed in this league, you look at Zach Randolph, you look at Manu, you look at Marshall owners, you look at James Harden, you look at guys that have been left, they really, really, really. Left handed dominant.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And I don't know why the Lakers still don't. And. And Aiden got the guy. Got the guy. And guess what? He does let him size up and go to the left and lay the ball up. I say, I'll be there.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah. They. Hey, they come at you in wage, bro, it seemed like. It's times where it seemed like the Lakers kind of got it even if they got a two point lead, four point lead, man. You got your starters playing so many minutes, Uncle Ocho, that when it does come in the fourth quarter, seven minutes, under seven minutes, they start making these bonehead plays, bro. Just lackluster turnovers. I'm like, damn.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I know my parents took him to school. There ain't no way he caught the bus on his own. I know his parents dropped up on school every day.
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Uncle Ocho
Hey. And it seemed like one turnover, it kind of starts to compound into another. Next thing you know, hell, now you're back down 10. It's like. So it's hard for them to keep overcoming these huge leads because we one, one thing we do know, obviously without Luca, they're not that high power offensively. Yes. They got guys who can score.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Uncle Ocho
But to. To keep pulling yourself out of these deficits, bro, it causes too much wear and tear on you. Then in the fourth quarter, you start to see all these boneheaded turnovers that you like, bro, what are you doing? Hell, they, they did all time.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You know why, Joe? If you look at Jalen Williams playing 15 minutes, Caruso played 22 minutes, Case and Wallace played 31 minutes, McCain played 18 minutes. The reason why JJ can't play his bench that that many minutes is because they blow up.
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Uncle Ocho
You don't trust me.
- [27:39]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
If they're down five and they come in there, by the time, I mean, JJ got to call the timeout and put the starters back in because now they're down 15 and the game is about to get out of hand. He can't play anybody for extended stretches because they, they just, they don't know what to do. They start turning the ball over. There's like. And I'm sure JJ and the staff has gone over this stuff, but he's constantly like, I can see him. Like, what are we doing? I don't know. Yeah, I don't think they know either.
- [28:07]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, you know what? I. I think they know what the game plan is. I just don't think. Jj, he don't trust nobody coming off that bench for real. Outside of Luke Canard, who plays great off Braun.
- [28:17]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes.
- [28:18]
Uncle Ocho
He don't trust a single soul coming off that bench for real. You know, he'll give him a couple minutes here and there, but, hell, in them couple minutes, if you ain't made no splash and come sit next to me because it just ain't got time.
- [28:29]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Because the thing is, Joe, is that I can't trust you. When you get in there, you turn the ball over and you pretend like. And guess what? We gonna switch everything. And guess what happens? They stay with the guy. The guy don't get switched off. And he hit a wide open three.
- [28:43]
Uncle Ocho
Yep.
- [28:43]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And he says, I thought we said we were switching everything. And then they looking at him, I thought, no, I thought you. And he said, no, no, no, don't worry about it. Hey. Because, see, I put. It's like, this is a football joke. They're only gonna put your ass in the game so many times. And you f up before they say, either, hey, they're gonna cut you or they're gonna put your ass on the bench.
- [29:04]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [29:04]
Joe Johnson
You know what? Make it worse, too. And not only do you have the players on the bench that don't really have the wherewithal to know what to do once they get in the game is the fact that they playing the goddamn OKC Thunder.
- [29:16]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It makes it look worse. You're right.
- [29:17]
Joe Johnson
Even worse. You know when they do get in the game and you don't know what the hell you're doing.
- [29:22]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. Because they. Because their pressure is just too much fell. The pressure causes these guys to turn the ball over. And we know you turn the ball over against okc, it's probably going to lead into some damn points.
- [29:33]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes.
- [29:34]
Uncle Ocho
Every time. I mean, they're just. They're just too much of a juggernaut for the Lakers to have any of these guys to play pedestrian. You damn near need. If Braun don't go off for 35, 40, or AR go off for 35, man, you gonna have to have everybody play right at a medium to where y' all can just stay close in the game. And I thought they done that until, like, the fourth quarter, for the most part. A OO they stayed within reach.
- [30:00]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I thought there was. I thought. I thought if we can get to the fourth quarter, Joe, because they were down in the fourth quarter. They came back, made a run. I think they got it to within five.
- [30:09]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [30:09]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But the third quarter, they were up like, five or six.
- [30:11]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [30:12]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And the next thing you know, Shay goes to the bench and they take off. I'm like, I thought this was supposed to be your opportunity where you take off. You don't allow them to take off. You supposed to be in the driver's seat, right? This is the mark of a very good basketball team. Let's not deny that they're a very good basketball team. But they do entirely too much flop.
- [30:31]
Uncle Ocho
Oh, yeah, they, they, they.
- [30:33]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I mean, man, D ain't touched Chad. He fought. Oh, Lord have mercy.
- [30:39]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [30:39]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I thought the Holy Ghost hit him.
- [30:41]
Joe Johnson
Hey, every. Everybody got a case of them flops every game. You see everybody. Everybody got a case of them damn flops. Trying to.
- [30:48]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Trying to get it, huh? It's getting out of hand now.
- [30:51]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [30:52]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, it is a little bit. Hey, you know what? It ain't also for the Lakers. What? Ain't making it too easy. They had to play against the rest tonight as well. I'm not sure what the rest were doing tonight now. And listen, I. I want to say anything. I'm not going to blame that on the reason why, you know, the Thunder won, but they didn't make it any easier for the goddamn Lakers tonight.
- [31:08]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Man, ain't nobody come to see you, Otis. Ain't nobody come to see you. I've never heard. I'm talking. You know what? I've never heard anybody say. You know what, man? I'mma go see Tony. Brothers. I want to see brothers. I want to see capers or I want to see. Hey, I would have. I've never heard anybody say that.
- [31:29]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, you're right. You're right.
- [31:31]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So. So why do you feel like you need to insert yourself? The best games in which you don't insert yourself. I understand guys are gonna file, but y' all be tonight with some ticky tax stuff.
- [31:42]
Uncle Ocho
And.
- [31:42]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And I'm like, hold on. You go by to the. You. You barely bump Shay. They calling it.
- [31:49]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [31:50]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
On the other end, Jalen Williams run dead in. LeBron knock him on the ground. And they don't do nothing. They talk about play on.
- [31:57]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah.
- [31:58]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
On the other end, Canard barely touched Shay.
- [32:03]
Uncle Ocho
I agree.
- [32:05]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And. And I. Good. I get it. I get it. It gets frustrating when you think all the calls going against you, Joe. You've been in that situation. You know, it gets frustrating. Ocho, it seemed like, we, hey, all, we getting the holding calls, we getting unnecessary rough. This or the, or the ticky tack penalty. And you're like, hey, bro, we not the only ones out here now.
- [32:21]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah. Hey, look, listen, think about it. I, I don't even really think the Lakers played bad outside of the turnovers. I mean, you look at they feel goal percentage, they shot 50. But hell, if you let a team shoot 55 against you, that's a recipe for disaster. You probably gonna lose that game, fellas. You know, you, you gotta tighten that up. I think JJ is gonna have to, you know, hope somebody come off this bench, bro, and give you a spark. I mean, I, I know it don't look great, but hell, when you, you going home, Ocho, somebody gonna have to come in, man, and get. Hey, look, maybe they come in and give you 15, 16, who, who least who you least expect it from. Right? Right. But in order to beat this OKC team to hell, just to get a game, bro, you gonna have to play pretty damn perfect almost just to win one game.
- [33:12]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Absolutely. Joe, did you see what happened after the game? Did you see Austin Reeves talking to the official at half court?
- [33:17]
Uncle Ocho
No, I didn't see what happened.
- [33:19]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I don't know. He was just talking to him, and they were all looking around, listening, and he was like, point, like, you know, I, I don't know, and I don't want to paraphrase. So hopefully we'll get more context and we'll get an opportunity to talk about it. So hopefully they'll have the press conference and at some point in time, we'll be able to talk about what he actually said to him. But I, I, he had five file. Marcus Smart had five files, Shea had four, but no, I mean, Hartenstein, two. Chat.
- [33:45]
Uncle Ocho
Three, two, two.
- [33:46]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Nobody else really was foul trouble but Shay.
- [33:49]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, they got a bad whistle tonight. Bad whistle, Hell, they had tough. They had three guys with five fouls. Jackson Hayes had five. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's hard. And you, and you know what? You want the ref to kind of swallow the whistle a little bit, man. Let these guys play. You can't, you can't just you. That's why they say, russ, control the game, bro. Believe it or not, in basketball, refs control the game. They can control the outcome. They can control the outcome. Yeah.
- [34:16]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Joe, you said something very interesting. You say they control the outcome because they determine how, how aggressive you can play. Right? You might want to come into the game like, okay, we're gonna body them up. We're gonna Play physical. And the ref say, nah, we're not gonna let you play physical tonight.
- [34:31]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [34:31]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And so now you're gonna. You got in your mind where you practice in the game film, you don't say, look, we're gonna body this up. We're gonna play physical X, Y, and Z. But when the officials come out early and they set the tone, we're not gonna allow you to play physical. That changes your whole mindset.
- [34:46]
Uncle Ocho
It does, bro, it does. It takes your aggressiveness away. If they continue, if they calling these ticket tag files on you. This the playoffs, bro. Yeah, it's gonna be aggressive. You know what I mean? They're gonna be borderline fouls. But, man, we don't expect you to be blowing your damn whistle every trip down the court. You can't get in no rhythm like that. No.
- [35:06]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They said Austin Reeves and the Lakers had a meeting with the refs after the game to share their frustrations. Joe, have you ever seen this? Have you ever seen a team, I mean, have you in your 17 years of playing in the NBA, have you, your team or any other team that you. You saw had the officials at half court after the game talking about the frustration that they just had in the game?
- [35:28]
Uncle Ocho
No, I've never seen it. I've never seen it. But understanding the circumstances and Lakers playing against okc. Yep. They know they the defending champs, but damn, come on, man, let us play. You know, don't, don't, don't come out here and dictate the games. Y' all know what the fans want to see. They didn't come to see y' all ass blowing your whistle every two, three trips down the court, you know? Right. It's bad for the game, bro. So, hey, look, I don't blame them, you know, when you. When you lose them, bro, you know, you'll find any little thing or you'll find any type of way to, you know, try to change the outcome. And if it's talking to the ref versus going in the media and. And slandering them and you getting, you know, you getting fined 50, 000, the guys don't want to do that. So they. Maybe they're trying to alleviate that problem, but, you know, I guess. I guess we'll kind of see. Man, I can understand their frustration, though. It's just too many guys with too many files, and it just don't make sense.
- [36:20]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, and you know what? That. That might help a little bit, Uncle Joe, but I still don't think that's even enough, let's say you take the, you take the refs out the equation in this game. You still have to be able to play. You still got to be able to make shots. You still got to stop turning the ball over. You still have to be able to stop Shay and stop Shet and stop Hartenstein and, and the rest of those boys. So I think even let's say you take the refs out the equation, I still think they don't have a chance. Maybe the game is a little closer, but you still need contributions from goddamn deandre Ayton. You know, you still got to stop turning the ball over. There's so many other factors that go into it outside of the refs where, okay, you don't, you don't lose by as much as you did, but you still don't win the game.
- [36:59]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean you're not wrong. I mean, yeah, we know the Lakers are up against it. This is the best team in basketball over the last couple of years. I think the last couple of years they've had one of the best. They, they've had the best working in the rest in the Western Conference. I think they've had what, two, two back to back 60 win seasons. I don't know if that third season, the one that, that Luka them knocked them out. I don't know if they had the best record then. But they were really high up there.
- [37:26]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [37:27]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And they, and, and, and, and and for them to. The Lakers got their work cut out for them. They got to play, they've got to play as close to perfect or damn near perfect or perfect. And still, and then still hope AK oh hey Casey. OKC is off that night.
- [37:47]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [37:47]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So let that sink in. Think about how hard that'll be. You got to play damn near perfect. Next to perfect. Perfect. And the team that you're playing against still needs to be off somewhat in order for you to beat them.
- [37:59]
Uncle Ocho
And that's probably not gonna happen. They too good at home, fellas. They too good at home. They take care of home court. I'm sure they one of the best teams when it comes to playing at home. Yeah, they not really. You not. It's hard to go on OKC and get a win, man, you know. So the Lakers got their hands full. Now I expect for the Lakers to, you know, be somewhat better going back in, but they'll dig in at home.
- [38:24]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But here's the thing. You gotta. You know how the LA crowd is now.
- [38:31]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [38:31]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Not. They're not like okc. They getting glammed up.
- [38:34]
Uncle Ocho
Oh yeah. You know how it is.
- [38:36]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They pull it up in Bugattis, they pull up in Spiders, they pull it up in Ferraris and Lambos, Bentleys and Rolls. That front row a a, they ain't got no paint on and they ain going crazy. It's different. And the thing is, what happens if you get down 10 early? You get down 15.
- [38:53]
Joe Johnson
Hey, hey. Them boo birds gonna come out, huh?
- [38:56]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You absolutely right.
- [38:59]
Uncle Ocho
I, I think at home though, I mean.
- [39:01]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Cuz.
- [39:01]
Uncle Ocho
What? Look, check this out. One thing they've shown us is that they can compete with okc. They just had one of those lows in the fourth quarter. Mainly toward the end.
- [39:09]
Joe Johnson
Yes.
- [39:09]
Uncle Ocho
Where you know, the separation kind of comes or where, okay, OKC just pulls away from them. But I do expect them to be a at home fellas.
- [39:18]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes. I think the thing, look, I'm trying to think AR or LeBron needs to go get as close to 40 as they possibly can. And the neck and the other guy, if the one guy gets close to 40, the other guy got to be 28, 29, maybe even 30 with another guy in the low 20s, Achi. So either that's Marcus Smart, that's Hachi, that's Luke Canard. Luke Canard was shooting the ball extremely well tonight. I wish he could have got more minutes, but.
- [39:49]
Uncle Ocho
I understand.
- [39:50]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But see the thing, it's hard to play him, Joe, because he can't defeat. He can't guard anybody.
- [39:55]
Joe Johnson
No, the hell the people on the court can't guard nobody either.
- [39:59]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They're taught, look, if, if it's AR if it's anybody go at you, we're attacking. They're not going to attack Marcus Smart because what they do when they trapping, they're trapping shade to get the ball out of his hand, right?
- [40:12]
Uncle Ocho
Absolutely.
- [40:12]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But everybody else, if they get a one on one, oh, they're trying to get downhill.
- [40:17]
Uncle Ocho
Yes, sir.
- [40:18]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Immediately. It ain't. No, it ain't no dancing and like, hey, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm getting down the hill.
- [40:23]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. And it don't matter who it is. It could, it could be Shay, it could be Mitchell. Hell, it could be Isaiah. Joe.
- [40:31]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It don't, it could Wallace and Caruso,
- [40:33]
Uncle Ocho
McCain, they just, they just got too many guys, bro. Who, who great in that system that, that OKC has, bro. I, I credit they coach and the, in the system that they got. I mean they, they. It's just gonna be tough, man. I mean that like, like we always say, OKC is a college town. You know, they have fanatics as fans. So it's hard to win in there with that six. Man, that crowd get into it. It's just too much. Lakers got to go home and find a way to get a win, period. Point blank is gonna have to.
- [41:06]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
We've seen Austin Reeves have these type of. Now we know Austin Reeves can go. He can go get 40.
- [41:11]
Joe Johnson
Oh, yeah.
- [41:12]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
We just don't know if Bron at this rifle age of 41 can still. Because in order to get that level of point J Joe and Ocho, you gotta sustain a fitness level. He's 41. You gotta be able to sustain that. Guess what? You're gonna have to attack. You have to get some foul shots. 3 ball gonna have to get going down. And you know what happens when you get tired? That ball start hitting the front of the rim.
- [41:35]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. And. And it's just hard to take LeBron off the damn court. It seemed like every time he go to the bench, bro, it's. It's not a lot of good stuff that happens, you know, when he's out there because of his IQ for the game, not only is he continuously putting pressure on the rim, but he's getting other guys involved, making plays, getting guys wide open shots, and that's what you need. I think AR gotta some way somehow stay aggressive and be efficient like he was tonight. I'm saying for them to win and you gotta have Marcus smart, obviously he plays decent defensively, but he. They need some good offensive output from him. You know, it's because if you bogging down your starters with all these minutes, damn you. You gotta hope they play great. And then again, Braun playing 37 minutes, probably averaging. What are you probably averaging minutes this year, this series? Probably.
- [42:28]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He was around 33. 33. 33 and a half.
- [42:32]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. And I think with limited risk, fellas, it's just tough, man.
- [42:36]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Cause they didn't know. Two days now.
- [42:37]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [42:38]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No, you don't got your big rest days before game one. So now it's every other day you're back at it. They back at it again on Saturday.
- [42:45]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [42:45]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And they back at it again on Monday.
- [42:47]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. Yeah.
- [42:48]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So you being able to get that level of rest, the thing is, is that that big. Austin and Marcus got to do a better job of taking care of the basketball early because the spot he's spotting, they are spotting. Okay. Seeding points. They're going to get. They're going to get that. Don't give them no easy buckets. Don't give them an opportunity. And that's what they're doing. Right now. Because I thought Austin made some. And the thing is, they get out and run. They get.
- [43:11]
Uncle Ocho
They.
- [43:12]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They get. Hey, they getting in transition quick.
- [43:14]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [43:14]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Because they're young. Yeah, they young, and they're very unselfish team. And you watch them guys, the way they celebrating. I like Jerry McCain. I thought he was, well. I thought he played well with the Sixers. But I understand the sixth situation. When they got Maxi and they got Edgecomb, it's like, bro, we really.
- [43:32]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. Ain't got no room.
- [43:33]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, he got the room. And Paul. You know, Paul George is really a two. So it is like we really don't have any room. But I thought he was shooting the ball well before he had that injury last year.
- [43:41]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, he was. He playing great. He gave him great minutes. I didn't even see that coming from him. I was surprised. But so. So for OKC to make that. To make that move and get him over there, I mean, man, he fits seamlessly coming off that bench, playing in that system. He looked down there unstoppable tonight.
- [44:00]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And I don't know what it is, Joe. He 4 or 503, but he. They come in. They come in there. Like, the coaches instill so much confidence in them. He's like, son, if as long as you playing hard, there's not a shot that I won't allow you to take.
- [44:13]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, right.
- [44:14]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And you can see. You can see the way they play, that they're not even bothered if I take this shot and miss it. As opposed to. As opposed to guys on the Lakers bench, But the guys on the Laker bench, Laravia, he coming in there and he's like, bro, I'm like, laravia, I get it. You playing hard, son. He really trying, Joe.
- [44:34]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, he is.
- [44:34]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But the mistakes that you're making, you can't keep making those mistakes. And that's what irks a coach, is that you keep making the same mistakes.
- [44:43]
Uncle Ocho
Yep.
- [44:43]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Cause either either you have a problem processing it, or we're having a problem teaching it to you. One of the two now, which is it?
- [44:52]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. And that's why the lease gonna be short. Lease gonna be short. Yeah. You know, like I say, man, when you take your best player off the floor and everything just starts to unravel on you, it's like, damn, okay. He'd have been sitting over here two, three minutes. We got to get you back in that big fella. You know, that's just what it is. Because they don't have playmakers like that, bro. Like, it's so glaring that they're missing Luca in this series because you need a guy who can score. You need a guy who can play make for everybody. I mean, that's 33 damn points, man, that they missing. So we can't sit here.
- [45:26]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [45:27]
Uncle Ocho
We can't sit here and play crazy now and act like, you know, we surprised how OKC is treating the Lakers right now. I mean, they're missing a big pivotal piece to their team. I mean, this. And it's showing in this round.
- [45:39]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And the thing is, also, Joe, you can take LeBron off, and you got Luca and AR. Yeah, you can take AR off, and
- [45:46]
Uncle Ocho
you got Luke and Braun.
- [45:48]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, you can take Luca off, and you got AR and Braun. So there's always a combination. And you got two great ball handlers.
- [45:55]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [45:55]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And plus you got Marcus Smart, and you can take some of the ball handling off of Marcus. Smart play. He can make some plays, but all things being equal, I'd rather have the ball in Luca, LeBron or AR's hand.
- [46:06]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [46:06]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I would like him to focus on defense. You're asking an awful lot of him. I need you to make plays, initiate the offense, but I also need you to keep Shay up under control. That's an awful lot.
- [46:15]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [46:17]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's an awful lot. And then playing that type of game, mentally, you know, you got. I mean, you can't have a letdown because you have a letdown, the guy's going by you.
- [46:26]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And think about as great as they're playing Shay, trapping him in all these picking roles, making him get a ball up. Hell, Uncle Ocho, he still went 7 for 13 from the field, 53% from the field. You know what I mean? So he's still efficient. He doing his job. Hey, look, as a scorer, as the main guy, if you're in a position to where they're trapping you every time you got the ball, just string the trap along like he does. Hey, at the end of the day, I've done my job. I got two on the ball. Now when I get it, when I swing it up out of here. Now y' all gotta go make a damn play. I done my job, Uncle Ocho.
- [47:02]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yep.
- [47:02]
Uncle Ocho
You know, I got two guys on me. I ain't gonna beat the double team every time. Now, there will be times that I will be aggressive and try and kind of force the issue a little bit, but for the most part, man, I'm gonna take the double team. Boom. Get off of it. And hopefully we can get a great shot. We can get to the bucket Get a free throw, get a wide open three, or just make plays. And I think OKC does that better than anybody because those guys play great off of shade, bro, I'm telling you, in a film session, you know, they going over that. Listen, boom. Once they trap, hey, check you show, make yourself big. Make yourself a present. We hit you. Hey, man, you got to go make a play. Whether you get all the way to the rack, shoot your midi, spray out the three. I just think they. They have so many guys who can play that role. I like Hardenstein in that role. I like checking that role. And then when you get. When you. When you get these other young guys going, like Mitchell and Caruso and Wallace, hell, things just started to unravel, man, because they're all defensive minded guys.
- [48:00]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
We got a cell phone video of Austin Reeves getting animated talking to the refs after the game. Let's take a look. Look at what we. So all the refs and the fa. I thought alternate also is in that scrum with the Lakers players.
- [48:26]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [48:34]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, hold up. Check this out, Joe. The rule states at the end of each game, the coaches and the players are to leave the court and go directly to the dressing room without pause or delay. There's absolutely no talking to game officials. Hey, listen, it's gonna be a big ass fine.
- [48:53]
Uncle Ocho
You think that's gonna be a fine? No, no, hold on, hold on, hold on. No, no, that's gonna be a fine. It ain't like we were shoulder to shoulder. And I'm, you know, I'm demonstrative toward him. Right? Listen, bro, I have a. I have a problem and I'm just coming to you correct as a man. Now, if I go to the media and when they go to ask me questions, I say, oh, man, the rest was some tonight. Yeah, I'm gonna get fired. I don't. I didn't see really see nothing wrong with the way he went by tonight, actually. I mean, I. I thought it was. I mean, I thought it was pretty fair, if y' all ask me, man, versus going to the media because you know you're gonna get fired. Yeah.
- [49:32]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
The rules state there is absolutely no talking to game officials. Hug this out. Okay, we got another video where he's talking to the refs late in the ball game. And let's see if we can read some lips to see what he's saying.
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Uncle Ocho
He said, that's some. You don't talk to me like that. Yeah. Hey, hey, let me tell y' all something. There's some refs out here with Some slick miles now, you know, they only can take so much. They still human, too, now. Yeah.
- [50:10]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, no. You got to be at the bus. Stop it. Yeah.
- [50:13]
Uncle Ocho
And you. And look, you stay on their ass all game. You want to. They get frustrated too, bro.
- [50:18]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Absolutely.
- [50:18]
Uncle Ocho
They get frustrated, too. And I've heard reps. I've seen refs call guys at their names. You know what I mean? It's. Hey, look. And in the heat of the moment, you're already at your highest pissivity. Yeah. So things. Things may get a little overblown a little bit.
- [50:32]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [50:34]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So what. What in NFL. I mean, they find my homeboy one time because he said something. I think he got fined and suspended a couple of games because he said something to Big Trent and. But if it can be confirmed. Yeah, that. I mean, they're probably fine. I don't know if suspension, but there's a chance that they're gonna. Lakers gonna get fined for this.
- [50:55]
Joe Johnson
That. That's two L. That's two L's, then, huh? They may. They make it worse on themselves. Not only you losing end game, you losing to the refs. I mean, that's two losses in one.
- [51:08]
Uncle Ocho
Hey, you got to take it if you're the Lakers. I mean, if you got three guys with five files. Uncle Ocho. Yeah. I mean, damn. We finna go home. Let me go and put this bug in their ear now. That way when we get home, hell, maybe they swallow that whistle a little bit and give us a chance.
- [51:22]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Or maybe we get. Maybe we get a little cooking. Maybe we get some. I'll cook it. Maybe we. Yeah, I don't. I don't know who. I don't know who's going to be the officials. I mean, maybe Sean Wright, maybe Courtney Kirkland, maybe James Williams, maybe Capers. I don't know.
- [51:41]
Joe Johnson
Hey, maybe you might need to go to the game for a little good luck.
- [51:45]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Check this out. Austin Reeves on the interaction with the ref. I felt like I was respectful to all of them all night. A million times in the past, I've had a way worse stuff. And when. And when we're doing the whole tip ball and they're switching spots, I wanted to get to the other side because I had the guy on the other side. I was just trying to keep an advantage, and he turns around and yelled in my face. I thought it was disrespectful the whole time I was going over there, and I don't think I said too much to them. I know Ben Taylor stepped in and said something, but at the End of the day, we're grown men, and I just didn't feel like he needed to yell in my face like that. And I told him that I wasn't disrespectful. I told him that he didn't need to do. Do that. I did that to him first. I would have gotten attacked. I feel like the only reason I didn't get attacked was because he knew he was in the wrong and I felt disrespected.
- [52:35]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, that happens. Look, the refs, they give some guys passes, bro.
- [52:42]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [52:42]
Uncle Ocho
Some guys, they'll take your ass right away with the quickness they don't want to hear, you know what I mean? Some. Some players, they feel like, you know, you don't even got no right to even be speaking to me.
- [52:54]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [52:56]
Uncle Ocho
The rest be like that.
- [52:57]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. So because you got some of them guys, Joe, they've been in this thing 15, 20 years, bro. You just got here yesterday and how you feel? First of all, why you walking up to me? Are you? Just because you see those vets walk up to me and we have a conversation. I ain't talking to your punk ass. Yeah, I talk to him, but not you.
- [53:14]
Joe Johnson
Hey, hey, Joe. My favorite cliffs, Uncle Joe, is to see Chris Paul with his funny mannerisms.
- [53:21]
Uncle Ocho
Oh, yeah.
- [53:21]
Joe Johnson
When you see Chris Paul get ticked up, dog, it'd be. It'd be so fun.
- [53:25]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. Hey, hey. And that's Tony brothers. Tony brothers be like that. He don't sleep. He don't take a lot from no cab, bro.
- [53:34]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, he don't. He don't,
- [53:38]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
you know, because I know, you know, Zach and some of them guys. I know a lot of them.
- [53:42]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [53:42]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So I've been to enough games. And so, you know, obviously, you know Sean Wright. I used to work out with Sean Wright.
- [53:49]
Uncle Ocho
But Tony brothers will cuss you out, man.
- [53:55]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What?
- [53:55]
Uncle Ocho
And tell you, hey, man, what. What. What you want to do? I'm telling you, bro, he. That. I've seen it. I'm telling you.
- [54:03]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Joe. Hey, if I was a fish, I'm like, hey, yeah. Don't make me bring it together now. If I break it together, gonna be trouble. Trying to tell you. Get up. The face. Get up. Hey, if. Hey, if I put your hands together, it's gonna be trouble. Trouble.
- [54:23]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah. They act like that sometime, bro. You get, hey, look, that's why I can't remember the ref name. Who CP hate when he riffs his game.
- [54:30]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Scott Foster.
- [54:30]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, Scott Foster.
- [54:31]
Joe Johnson
Hey, hey, boy, them two going at it so Funny, bro.
- [54:34]
Uncle Ocho
Hey, yeah. CP got a bunch of antics against him, bro. But I seen it up close in person, man. You know, and when you watch it, when you really know what's going on and you watch it, you start to be like, damn, they might do have a little something between them, you know what I mean?
- [54:48]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, because they're human, bro. And look, there ain't no. Look, there's no love lost between Scott Foster and Chris Paul at some point in time. And you can say it's nothing X, Y and Z, but it is because I. Look, I know how you feel about me, and this ain't no one way street, bro.
- [55:03]
Uncle Ocho
No, sir.
- [55:04]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Both of you. Hey, both. Hey, it ain't one way. It's what goes both ways. This two lane traffic going both ways. Yeah, I don't like your ass either. Hey, listen, but at the end of the day, you can't do that. I'm the one that got the whistle.
- [55:18]
Uncle Ocho
Hello. Hey. Yeah, and I'm really right.
- [55:24]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Number three, take it to the showers
- [55:31]
Uncle Ocho
anytime. Me taking too much, boy.
- [55:34]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, yeah, absolutely.
- [55:36]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [55:36]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey. And you know, hey, hey, they didn't play with Joy Crawford, Hugh Hollands. Now, Dick Bavetta was a little league Dick Rivetta, he got along with everybody. Yeah, but, but Shoe Holland and Joy
- [55:50]
Uncle Ocho
Crawford, one plan, man.
- [55:52]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You remember. Hey, Joy Crawford said Timmy to the locker room. Hey. Yeah, he called a tech on him.
- [55:57]
Uncle Ocho
He was on the.
- [55:57]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Laughing.
- [55:58]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah.
- [56:04]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Tippy looked around like me.
- [56:06]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [56:07]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I think, I think David Stern suspended him for a game too, though.
- [56:10]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. Because it seemed like, it seemed like it gets a little personal.
- [56:14]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [56:15]
Uncle Ocho
You know, for them Revs, bro. And it ain't never supposed to be personal with them.
- [56:18]
Joe Johnson
Nah.
- [56:18]
Uncle Ocho
But you know, as a player, you can kind of, you, you can kind of sense that. You can feel that energy, you know what I mean? Especially in the game. It's like, damn, you letting them be extra aggressive with me today. Yeah.
- [56:30]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, I'm feeling some type of way.
- [56:32]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah.
- [56:33]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Look, you normally the superstars always got calls. Jordan got them, Magic got him. Especially guys that drove the basketball. Kobe, Mike, LeBron in his prime. I mean, guys like LeBron and, and Shaq really never got officiated because they so damn big. It's like how we. We literally just called again. I mean, the game be five hour long if we officiated Shaq properly. Yeah, the guy beat the hell out of him.
- [57:01]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [57:02]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I don't think when Dr. Naismith invented the game of basketball, I don't think he envisioned having a guy sell more than 325.
- [57:08]
Uncle Ocho
Hell no.
- [57:08]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Playing the game.
- [57:09]
Uncle Ocho
Hell no. And then so.
- [57:10]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So what do you do? Is it because when he click when Shaq does this, them bowling pins, everybody going down.
- [57:17]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. You got to call that, man. You leave with them elbows. They calling that bro. Cause you hit you hidden above the shoulder that's in the neck, chin the back of the head like they calling that.
- [57:31]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And what about Dikembe, Rest his soul, with the sharp ass elbows. He can't cutting people up.
- [57:37]
Uncle Ocho
Hey, but. And then you know when they came out with the verticality where you could
- [57:42]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
just go straight up. Yeah.
- [57:43]
Uncle Ocho
And you can hit somebody body to body as long as you vertical.
- [57:47]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [57:47]
Uncle Ocho
I think that changed the game too because a lot of that contact and it may be initiated by the offensive guy. But they not calling. They don't call it often.
- [57:57]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No. Right.
- [57:58]
Uncle Ocho
You know what I'm saying?
- [58:00]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And I think that's what they try to get. They try to get D A and they try to get Jackson. Hey, hey. Just go vertical. Don't come long as you don't come forward with it, you're going to be fine. Just elevate K. Cunningham has 25 points, 10 assists to lift the Pistons past the Cavaliers 107 to 97 and take a 2o lead. The top seeded Pistons have won five straight games since the Orlando put them on the brink of elimination. Man, I thought Cade Cunningham. Look, the two best players in this series have been Cade Cunningham and Tobias Harris.
- [58:33]
Uncle Ocho
Yes. Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
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- [62:40]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Tobias Harris and Katie Cunningham. Kate Cunningham hit big three at the big three after big drive at the big drive. Tobias was sensational tonight. James Harden again, Joe.
- [62:52]
Joe Johnson
Hey, I don't know what's wrong with him
- [62:56]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
where he has more turnovers than he had male made field goals.
- [63:00]
Joe Johnson
Yes, sir.
- [63:02]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It is what it is. I mean, we, I. I don't really know. And they, they picked him again clean. K picked him clean.
- [63:09]
Joe Johnson
He just said it yesterday, Joe. You know what? That's on me. I got to protect the ball better. I got to do better. That's on me. And he comes out the the following game, not only do he turned the ball over, but they get points on every goddamn turnover, Unc. Every goddamn turnover. I mean, this is not the j. Understand yourself a top player, one of the best ISO scorers of all time. We know what you did in Houston. We know what you did in Brooklyn. We know what you've done in some of those other places. But this is the time to shine and show that James Harden we're used to talking about. Every time young bull get to the playoffs, I don't know what happens. It can't be stage fright because you used to being in the playoffs. You've been in the playoffs damn near all your career. Yeah, but every time you get to it, I mean it's almost. It's like it's a no show. Damn near.
- [64:00]
Uncle Ocho
Hey, man, let me tell you, Cade, as great as he is offensively, you know, playing at this high efficiency rate that he played at the day, he is unbelievable defensively. Uncle Ocho, he is incredible. I'm talking about. Look, I ain't even just talking about keeping the ball in front. I'm talking about blocking shots. I'm talking about just making it difficult for you. It's hard. It's hard, bro. To compete with a dude who's he playing? 41, 40, 42 minutes a night. It's hard, man, because he gets everybody involved. He had a double double 25, and 10. Yeah. 7 for 14 from the field. And then Tobias Harris playing that.
- [64:41]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That.
- [64:41]
Uncle Ocho
You know, that Robin Road where he's.
- [64:43]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He.
- [64:43]
Uncle Ocho
I mean, hell, he's been, you know, pitching in since the last series. I mean, he's been ultra effective. You know, they just got a lot of guys, and then when I think it comes to James Harden and his turnovers and his low field goal percentage, man, they. I'm telling y', all, man, they picking that man up. They wearing his ass down, bro. They ain't giving him nothing easy. Everything that he got to get them, they come from the free throw line.
- [65:06]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yep.
- [65:06]
Uncle Ocho
You know what I mean? It's just. It's a lot to ask, man. It's a lot to ask. Just a young man's game. And obviously, Detroit has hung their hat on defense this whole entire season, and this is how they play. If they can keep your ass under a hundred points, they got a great chance of winning, and that's how they've been playing all year.
- [65:25]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I need somebody to tell me what Evan Mobley doing. That man played 36 minutes and gave you one rebound at seven foot tall.
- [65:33]
Uncle Ocho
Damn.
- [65:35]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
One rebound. Ocho and Joe last, he's like, hey, I need somebody to offer me an explanation.
- [65:43]
Joe Johnson
You only had nine points, too, man.
- [65:45]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, look, I thought Jared Allen was super aggressive tonight. Go ahead, Joe.
- [65:48]
Uncle Ocho
He was, but. And when I look at Mobley, offensively, we want to be. We want him to be demonstrative and demand the ball and go at his. Man, I can ojo day in his game, bro. We got to come to the realization that ain't his game. He had big games in that last series against Toronto. Yeah, but, man, Detroit got some girth down there. They got some guys who play hard as. And if he ain't asserting himself, it's gonna be hard for him to be effective. Cleveland cannot win if he don't play well. I'm sorry, Joe.
- [66:21]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He got to buy his Harris on him. That man seven foot tall.
- [66:30]
Uncle Ocho
Tobias fighting his ass on. He fighting him well, fighting back.
- [66:35]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You gonna let the man beat you up? Hey, used to see the. Hey, hit it back.
- [66:41]
Uncle Ocho
Right, right.
- [66:43]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Baddest man. Hit my hand, wop. Hit it back.
- [66:47]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah, he just.
- [66:50]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
How you 7 foot tall? You play 36 minutes, and you give me one rebound? One Joe.
- [66:58]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, I see it. I don't know.
- [67:01]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Even on the box Side the ball hit the floor. You ought to be able to get me, get me more, get me two.
- [67:05]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [67:06]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And they're making everybody. They're making everybody. Evan Mobley, 410. James Harden, 3 or 13. Donovan Mitchell, 11 or 24. I give you 31 points on 24 shots. Sure will.
- [67:18]
Joe Johnson
And when you look at it, everybody else got to be playing well though. You think about it.
- [67:24]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
One for six, Truce, three for seven. Tatum one for one. Keon Ellis.
- [67:28]
Joe Johnson
Everybody got to wash everybody out, Uncle Joe. Especially for the goddamn Cavs to have a chance. If goddamn, if Cunningham go off, then I need Mitchell to wash him out. It got damn Duncan Robinson go off and play and play well. I need goddamn James Harden to show up and wash him out. Everything has to match, so somebody else is gonna have to step up. Evan Nobley can't have a nine point game. Hell, you can't have a goddamn game where you got them had one goddamn rebound. Jared. Goddamn Jared Allen. Jared Allen played goddamn well tonight. He had 22. He was seven for nine. But in order for the Cav to come back and even have a chance in this series, because if they go down 3, 0, you might get the goddamn brooms out.
- [68:10]
Uncle Ocho
I can't, I can't see them really even making a series. They may win a game in Cleveland, but, bro, when you don't get no contribution from your bench, it's hard, it's hard to win in the postseason. Man, when you, when you just relying on your stars, when you just relying on Donovan, Mitchell and James Harden to kind of get it going and they ain't really got no rhythm like that because the game plan is to take those guys out for those guys to be less effective, you know what I mean? And I think Detroit is doing a great job. And Detroit, they got some pretty good contribution from their bench tonight. Jenkins, I, I thought tonight, yeah, I think Charis LeVert came in and gave him a nice, gave him some great minutes. They got multiple guys who could beat you, but they, but their wins aren't predicated off them playing great offensive. Hell, look at Duran. He still ain't really playing no hell of a basketball. I mean, he, he playing, he playing pedestrian, Uncle Ocho, but hell, it's good enough for him to get a win because guess what? They locking down defensively, bro.
- [69:09]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes.
- [69:09]
Joe Johnson
Hey, hey, Joe, when you think about it too, and the way both of these teams are constructed, when you talk about going to your bench and wanting to get points for your bench, I mean, they not, they not like the spurs they ain't like the Thunder, where you can go to your bench, you don't miss a goddamn beat. You know, you got. I mean, the Cavs got Schrode. He'll come in. He didn't have a really good game today, I think. I think it was one for five. I forgot how many points he had. But. It is your starters. Your starters they had. They have to show up each play, has to watch each play out in order, in order, in order for you to even have a chance. And then somebody has to come along, keep the game close. Them last five, six minutes, shoot. You got to come to the party. James Harden got to step up, though, Joe and all.
- [69:56]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They just care with the basketball, huh? You look at. You look at Cleveland. They take. They get a rebound. Allen tries to pass the ball to James Harden. Duncan Robinson steps in front of him, uncorks a three. I'm like, james Harden got the ball. He dibbled and died there in the front. The guy just reached right down there. Let me get this off you.
- [70:20]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah. Hey, man, you guys watching film, bro.
- [70:24]
Joe Johnson
They know you think he hurt. Who you think Harden hurt?
- [70:28]
Uncle Ocho
Hell no. Hell no.
- [70:30]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Listen, how you gonna be hurt, Ocho? And this is a pattern. So he's been hurt every playoff series. Oh, because he's a hot turnover guy.
- [70:38]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. And Detroit, they. They know his tendencies, bro. Yes, they know his tendencies. They know his dudes don'ts. They know what he like and what he don't like, and they crowding the out of him, just making it tough for him. He had the. The highest plus minus today. He had a minus 15. You.
- [70:55]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
If you.
- [70:56]
Uncle Ocho
Cleveland, there's no way you gonna win a game if Donovan is inefficient and James Harden don't play well. I don't care how y' all cut it, man. I think the rest of them dudes can be pedestrian, but if you can get both of those guys at least 25 plus efficiently, which is. Which is going to be tough because they hadn't really played like that this whole postseason. It's going to be hard for them to win a game.
- [71:22]
Joe Johnson
Can you say one game, Joe?
- [71:23]
Uncle Ocho
It's going to be hard to win a game, bro. They may get close in Cleveland, Ocho, but it's hard, man. I mean, Detroit, their game is predicated off the defense. Like, you know, they gonna play great defensively. And then you got Cade, who's just a game changer.
- [71:40]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes, sir.
- [71:41]
Uncle Ocho
You know what I mean?
- [71:41]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They ain't really.
- [71:42]
Uncle Ocho
I mean, hell, I don't think they Making it tough on K, Uncle Ocho, if y' all really got nobody to
- [71:46]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
make it tough on him, you put Wade on the way. He's not a defender. James Harden, Donovan Mitchell is out of a defender.
- [71:52]
Uncle Ocho
No.
- [71:52]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So what you. Jared Allen is your best defender in Mobley, but they win. They're big. They can't defend him.
- [71:57]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [71:57]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So who can you put on him? It's not like. Think about what they got. They got Cade, who could defend. They got Thompson, who can defend. Even Tobias Harris, when he puts his mind to it, can defend. They don't have nobody like that on Cleveland.
- [72:11]
Uncle Ocho
Nah, they don't. So look, so what you need to do is adjust your damn coverages, stop giving him them damn switches and one on one looks and cage him in a trap and make him get a damn ball up. Yes, you got to, you got. See, the playoffs are about adjustments and matchups Here you got Cleveland got a bad matchup right now. So what they have to do is try to alleviate cage productivity to get the ball out his damn hands when he run the pick and roll, bro. You got to make these other dudes make some decisions. Because if you look at it during hadn't played great, hell, hey, let's put the ball in his damn hands. Let's see what he can do.
- [72:49]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You, Joe, you took the words right out of my mouth. If it was possible, I'm gonna make the ball end up enduring. Because if you go back and think about it, he's played good in one game in the playoff playoffs. That's game seven.
- [73:01]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. And while I'm watching them today, I think he kind of understands that too, Uncle Ocho, that he hasn't been playing great. And you can tell he's trying to pick it up, but him picking it up is. Is him trying to do more offensively. That's just not his damn game. And it don't even look. It don't even look natural. You know what I mean? So they gotta find a way. Meaning Cleveland has to find a way to put Detroit under distress to where they're not comfortable, bro. They just too comfortable out there for me.
- [73:32]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Unless, like I said, unless Evan Mobley comes in and give you the 20 plus that he's capable of giving, James Harden is going to have to be. I'm not saying he's. He needs to be, you know, 58, 60%. But you can't be 3 or 13 and you can't, you can't have, you can't lead the team internal with damn near every game. Game I think about it, another game in which he has more turnovers than made field goals. I mean, he's got 45 and 182 games. He's got 45 or 46 in which he has equal two or more turnovers than field goals. That is crazy.
- [74:12]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah. Hey, if you. Detroit bro James is a rhythm player. That's why when you always see him play, Uncle Ocho is tween, tween behind the back. That's a rhythm that he's trying to get into.
- [74:26]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes.
- [74:27]
Uncle Ocho
And Detroit is great at disrupting that rhythm. They not letting him get into no damn rhythm. You know what I mean? That's why you see every time he drive to the goal, he's seeking for the. He's seeking for a file. He trying to get a foul because he know that's the only way he gonna really be effective.
- [74:43]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He needs, he needs to see the ball go in, Joe. And right now they're not letting him see the ball going until really, really late in the ball game. And by that time he's not in the rhythm. You let him hit his first couple of shots, you let him get a driver, you let him get a layup or you let him hit a step back three. You let him get to the little mini. You know, a lot of times he'll try to get all the way to the basket and you pull a snatch it, pull up and hit it. But he's think about it, most importantly, probably get to the free throw line. He's out of rhythm. He knows it. He knows he's not playing well. Him, he knows what's being said. He. When he, when he get that sheet, Joe. And he look at it like, damn. Three made field goals, five turnovers.
- [75:21]
Podcast Advertiser/Host
Damn.
- [75:21]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Again.
- [75:23]
Uncle Ocho
Hey, hey. That damn Kate Cunningham and that Thompson. Hey. Yes, them boys some dogs on their defensive end, man. K. Hey, look, K. Showing me a lot. I mean, I'm talking about. I can see why he was in the MVP discussion.
- [75:39]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay?
- [75:40]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. And if he wouldn't have. And if he wouldn't have got hurt, we. We don't know because you know, at the time when he went out, I think they had the best. They had the best record in the league.
- [75:49]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yep. But they were right there, they was right there with.
- [75:51]
Uncle Ocho
Okay, okay, see? Yeah, yeah. So he's showing me that, man, look, I can be a hell of a two way player. Cause he doing it on a night to night basis, fellas.
- [76:00]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes.
- [76:00]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. And I'm talking about at an elite and high level. Like it's, it's man, he gotten two of the best scores to play this game.
- [76:07]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right. It hadn't been a whole lot of players that have been asked to do what he does offensively. Score, get others involved and take the assignment on the other end.
- [76:18]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [76:18]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You know, Jordan had Pippen to do that.
- [76:20]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [76:21]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
A Ron Harper or Dennis Rodman.
- [76:24]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [76:25]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
There haven't been a whole lot of guys that says, okay, I need you to playmate. I also need you to give me 25. But I also need to make sure that guy doesn't gain. Get a rhythm.
- [76:37]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [76:38]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It's a rarity to have a guy that's capable of doing that.
- [76:42]
Uncle Ocho
I agree.
- [76:43]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And Kate Cunningham is doing it. Kate Cunningham is doing it at. Because if you think about it, when Kawhi. When they had Tim Duncan, Kawhi was never asked to be the leader of the offense. When Kawhi got. When they started asking Kawhi to be the leader of his offense, his defense did this. Did the Joe.
- [77:00]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [77:00]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
When he had to all of a sudden score and try to initiate plays for everybody else, he wasn't the same defensive player.
- [77:05]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right.
- [77:09]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So to ask K to get K to do what he's doing, and he's doing that on a nightly basis. Take me out. Up to you, young man. Yeah, I've watched a lot of basketball. I don't. I don't recall a guy being asked. You got that from LeBron when he was in Cleveland. You got it from him a little bit in Miami and when he went back to Cleveland. But a guy that says, okay, are you their best player? I got you.
- [77:41]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. That takes a lot, bro.
- [77:44]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. And he. He played 42 minutes.
- [77:47]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [77:48]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He ain't playing no 30 minutes. He playing 42. They ain't but 48 in the game.
- [77:53]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. And the one thing I, I noticed, I know, K knows is that, yeah, we may not be high power offensively, but damn it, we got some guys who can sit in that chair and gonna make a hell on you out here.
- [78:06]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes.
- [78:06]
Uncle Ocho
And that's how they play, bro. I mean, I enjoy watching them play. You know, I know they had a little hiccup in the. In their magic series, but you can tell they've learned from that. And, man, they're playing great basketball against two elite scorers. And bruh, they giving them everything they can ask for. So he. Hey, if he was Jordan and Thompson is the Pippin, if Thompson find any way to continue to beat to.
- [78:31]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
To be the office again.
- [78:33]
Uncle Ocho
Oh, my God.
- [78:34]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, My goodness.
- [78:35]
Joe Johnson
That would. That wouldn't be fair, man.
- [78:37]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Guys, guys, are y' all listening? Y'? All? Y' all see y' all in the chat. I said, did they ask, if you think about it, who. How many times did Pippen was the guy was the point forward?
- [78:50]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [78:51]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He initiated a lot of the offense. Kobe, Derek Fisher ran the offense. That is. What's the most assist Kobe average in the season? The most assist?
- [79:06]
Uncle Ocho
Probably the highest. Probably maybe six.
- [79:09]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Five and a half. Six?
- [79:10]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. If I had to guess, that's it.
- [79:14]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I know Jordan had one season where the average 8. 30. I think he would average 37. 8 and 8.
- [79:19]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [79:21]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What's the most assist Kobe average of the season? 6.3. What's Kate averaging? Kate average nine.
- [79:33]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [79:34]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What he averaging is most in his is Kobe's most assist in the season. LeBron averages more of that for a 23 year career. So y' all trying to say that Kobe was asked to initiate a run the offense like LeBron did?
- [79:47]
Uncle Ocho
No, sir.
- [79:50]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Cade average 10. Listen, it doesn't diminish Kobe because he wasn't asked to do what they're asking. Cade and LeBron. It doesn't diminish. Y' all gotta stop this notion. If somebody doesn't put Kate, don't put Kobe in a thing. It's okay. It doesn't diminish him.
- [80:11]
Uncle Ocho
No.
- [80:11]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He's a five time champ. He's a two time finals mvp. He's an mvp. It doesn't diminish him. But Derek Fisher ran the offense and y' all know it. Kobe was asked to score and defend and he did those two things at an elite level. That's why he's a many, many time all defensive player and a many, many times all NBA selection.
- [80:34]
Uncle Ocho
Absolutely. Absolutely.
- [80:36]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But he was not asked to run the offense like Cade Cunningham. He was not asked to run the offense like LeBron James. Y' all know that. Y' all know that. That's why LeBron James averages over seven assists a game. Kobe's greatest season is only one time. Only time LeBron James has ever averaged less than five or six assists a game was his rookie season.
- [81:02]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [81:02]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So in other words, he has 22 seasons in which he's averaged more assists in a game than Kobe did in his best season. And y' all want to say he was asked to do the same thing as LeBron when y' all know you're being disingenuous.
- [81:14]
Uncle Ocho
Yep.
- [81:15]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It's okay, guys. It's okay. Pippin was a point. How you think people got the Name of the point forward. If Jordan ran the offense.
- [81:29]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, you're right.
- [81:33]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
See, y' all just look at the guy and see the guy scoring points. There are a lot of guys that can score points but can't run an offense. But when you run an offense, look at Luca. Luca got a hot. You think they asked Luca to play defense? James Harden. James Harden scored 30 average 10, led the league in assist four or five times. How's his defense? Look at Luca. How's his defense? So for Cade to do that, they've only been a handful of guys that I can remember, and I remember basketball. I go back to about 77. There ain't been a whole lot of guys. There ain't been a whole lot of guys. Like, they've been guys, but not like Cade. Not what they asked LeBron to do. Up until last year, LeBron James had never. Not led his team in assist. Last year was the first time he didn't lead his team two years. So for 21 straight years, LeBron James led his team in assist. Let that sink in. 21 seasons, and it took a younger version of himself, which is Luca on the offensive end, because Luca can score, he can rebound, and he damn sure can playmate.
- [82:44]
Uncle Ocho
Yep.
- [82:46]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He just could. I don't think he could guard me with this Obama knee right now. But y' all gotta stop this notion. Y' all think somebody don't mention Kobe? You did. No, you don't. Just because I say. Just because I say. Ocho was great. That doesn't mean to. I'm pooping on to. Yeah, Randy. Two things can be true. Kobe was great, but Kobe wasn't asked to do what Cade Cunningham is being asked to do. He wasn't asked to do what LeBron was asked to do. It's okay. Look at the numbers. Y' all. Watch it. Oh, Joe. Has it always been like this or this came along with social media?
- [83:27]
Joe Johnson
No, it's always been like this.
- [83:28]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay. Yeah, but we just. But we just couldn't see it because. Because there was no social media, so we really didn't know what. What Tom And. And Des Moines, Iowa, was actually saying. No, we didn't know what. What, What Paul in Brooklyn or somebody in Florida or up. We didn't know what they were saying.
- [83:46]
Joe Johnson
No, Everybody. Everybody has a voice. Everybody has an opinion now. But that's. That's a good thing. I. I like it that. That it. It creates for. It creates for healthy dialogue. It creates for healthy debates, because everybody's opinion is not going to be the same. You Believe one thing, then somebody else is going to believe another. Now, regardless of what facts you bring about, whatever it is you believe in, they gonna debunk that based on their facts and their opinions.
- [84:08]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [84:09]
Joe Johnson
So it would be an ongoing debate forever. No matter what, Even if everything you just said is factual, someone will still counter that and say, nah, this is why it's not true. Because of A, B, C and D. That's what I love about social media, though. I love it. Just not when it comes to basketball, because I can't talk it the way y' all do.
- [84:30]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Well, considering LeBron James led this team in assists for 21 straight season, one would deduce from that he was asked to play make.
- [84:39]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, right, right.
- [84:43]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And go back and look at the series when D Rose. They lost the first one. What did the year D. Rose one. MVP. What did they do? Game two, Joe. And what happened? They put LeBron on him.
- [84:54]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. Yeah. I think. I think Braun is a natural facilitator, though. Okay.
- [85:03]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He is.
- [85:04]
Uncle Ocho
Now I'm telling. I'm talking about. Yeah, I think as great as he is scoring the ball, I think his probably his best attribute is facilitating and making guys around him better. That's just who Kobe was. A natural born killer, bro. Now I'm talking about. He trying to take.
- [85:20]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes.
- [85:20]
Uncle Ocho
He trying to give you fit the air game period, point blank. He ain't studying no damn assists. Yeah, he may get something here and now he wants that. No damn assistant.
- [85:28]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I don't trust you. He's like, I know what I put in to be great. I'm not so sure. You put that same energy and effort. I'm not so sure you take care of your body. I'm not so sure you watch film like I do, so I don't know if I can trust y'. All.
- [85:42]
Uncle Ocho
Right. Hey, he practiced with those dudes every day. He know they work ethics. That's how he was. Hey, look, Kobe was done there, bro. He took out the mj.
- [85:50]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He.
- [85:50]
Uncle Ocho
It was a carbon copy of mj. He stole his moves, his walk, his style, every damn thing. The way he chewed his gum like he wanted to. He wanted to be mj, bro. And he was a. He was a modern day mj, I think, with a better handle and all that. So I think he is.
- [86:08]
Joe Johnson
He.
- [86:09]
Uncle Ocho
He became the player who he wanted to become, and he was nasty with it, bro.
- [86:12]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He.
- [86:12]
Uncle Ocho
He didn't care if you liked him or not.
- [86:14]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [86:14]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No, he wasn't there to be like. He came into the NBA with a sole purpose.
- [86:18]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. To be the best, Period.
- [86:22]
Joe Johnson
That's it.
- [86:24]
Uncle Ocho
Period. And it's so rare that you get guys come out of high school at 17, 18 years old, bro. And to be able to think like that. Yeah. I wonder, did that come from, you know, his dad jelly bean, him being overseas. You know, he was raised overseas in what, Italy. Playing over there, probably being a loner because he. You know, I. I wonder, did all that play a factor?
- [86:47]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I think early on, his favorite player was Jordan. He came out, and then he thought. I mean, you listen to him talk. He, like, I thought I was better than the guys that they were playing. They were playing me four, five minutes.
- [86:59]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [87:00]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And he's like, I'm better than them.
- [87:01]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [87:02]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He got drafted where he got drafted. I'm better than these guys in the draft, and y' all put me way down here. But if you listen to people talk, he's always had that mentality. He's always been about basketball while other guys were looking to go out. And Iverson said, man, Kobe looking, man, I'm trying to get out. Kobe looking to go get some rest, go to the gym. That ain't what I was trying to do.
- [87:24]
Uncle Ocho
Right.
- [87:25]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
When you got that kind of talent and you got that kind of work ethic, that's what made Jordan. Jordan. That man was that talented, and he was working that hard. You think about it. When you take the best talent and they're the hardest worker you get, and. And. And Tom is an anomaly because Tom is not the most immensely talented. He don't run fast, Ocho. He don't jump high. But what he has is this. That processor, that process at the speed of light.
- [87:54]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [87:54]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And his work ethic. When you get that, bro, it's hard. The hard work. And I tell people. This is what I used to tell kids when I used to speak to kids. I say, hard work doesn't guarantee you anything.
- [88:05]
Uncle Ocho
Nope.
- [88:05]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I say, but without it, you don't got a chance. Chance.
- [88:07]
Uncle Ocho
Hello. Hello.
- [88:09]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But I talented and you work hard. Boy, that's a hell of a combination.
- [88:13]
Uncle Ocho
You gonna be down there unstoppable, bro.
- [88:15]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Damn near.
- [88:16]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. Yeah. Because you. Because. And I know if y' all seen this in. In football, too, because I've seen this so much in basketball. I'm talking about. Yeah. From playing Little League all the way up to the pros. Hey, bro, I know some talented dudes who never. Who would never sniff the damn NBA or college just because of their work ethic. Now, talent wise, they're some of the best people I've ever Played against. But, bruh, when you. When you got hell of it, when you got a lot of talent and you got that work ethic to go with it. Hey, man, you can't lose, bro.
- [88:48]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No, you can't lose. And that's what I tell guys say. Guys, y' all realize the NBA is everybody. The NBA has some level of talent now. There's levels to it, Ocho. You know, you got some beginner, you got some junior, and you go up and up and up, but everybody talented. How the f you think they got there?
- [89:04]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. Yeah.
- [89:06]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
This ain't college. You don't get no legacy in the NFL. I don't give a damn what your brother did. I don't care what your dad did. Can they catch passes? Could they sack the quarterback? Can they block right now for you? Because that's what I got you for.
- [89:20]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [89:21]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Congratulations. Your family puts produced some great athletes. Congratulations. But they help. How does that help us win?
- [89:28]
Uncle Ocho
Right?
- [89:30]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And when you get guys that are talent, like Kobe was immensely talented and he. It drove him crazy. But you know what you have to love most about him? Even though as he air ball shots in the playoff game and everybody laugh, y' all gotta. Y' all got a 17 year old playing in the playoffs. Y' all must be crazy. He took all that.
- [89:50]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [89:51]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
All he did was get his ass in the gym.
- [89:53]
Uncle Ocho
Yep.
- [89:54]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So I'm gonna show y'.
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- [89:55]
Uncle Ocho
Yep. And that's what it takes, bro. That's what it takes when you fail at something. Gotta get your ass back up and get back to work.
- [90:04]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's the greatest teacher.
- [90:05]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [90:06]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Because a lot of times when you succeed, all the time, you don't. What do you learn from that?
- [90:09]
Uncle Ocho
Nothing.
- [90:09]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Cause you started none.
- [90:14]
Uncle Ocho
Hey, don't get me wrong. It feel good to win now, but them losses teach you way more than way more could ever teach you.
- [90:24]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And that's what happens a lot of times, guys. When you win, you gloss over. Oh, we won. Your technique was bad. You didn't get your head around Ocho. Hey, you supposed to do X, Y and Z. You half assed it. But you still made the catch and you won. Developing good habits is just as easy. Is to develop bad habits.
- [90:46]
Uncle Ocho
There you go.
- [90:46]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
People think, oh, oh, man. How you do easy. Just like you developed the good ones.
- [90:51]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. Yeah.
- [90:52]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It's just as easy for you to eat healthy as it is for you to eat bad. All it requires is a choice. Yep. Which one do you choose?
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- [91:04]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
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- [91:13]
Joe Johnson
I don't know.
- [91:16]
Uncle Ocho
It's tough, bro.
- [91:17]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It is. But. But I think the thing is that when you want something, OO had a great desire to get out of Liberty City. That man said, I ain't trying to live. I love it here. I was raised here. My grandparents did a great job for me, but I ain't trying to live here. I want to go. I know there's something outside of Liberty City. I want to go see what south beach kicking, like, hello. I want to see what it really like out there. Hello.
- [91:39]
Uncle Ocho
Hey.
- [91:40]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Cause everything that I need ain't here, ain't here in Liberty City.
- [91:44]
Uncle Ocho
Hey, I. I agree with you on that. Cause, boy, coming up in Little Rock, when I got stamped Uncle Ocho. Meaning, like, I. I would say, I. I've really seen the NBA in my future. When I was in 10th grade, bro. 10th grade. Like, you know, I. I seen how I was a lot more talented than guys. And at my height, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7. We don't grow them like that. And at my height at 6, 6, 6, 7, I was still a guard because I grew late. I grew 4 1/2, 5 inches going into my 10th grade year. Once I seen that, once I. Once I realized that, oh, yeah, I ain't messing this opportunity up. I'm. Hey, I'm gonna stay out of trouble. I'm gonna do whatever it takes. Cause, look, it's just me and my mama. She working two, three jobs. She working at the state hospital with.
- [92:31]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
With.
- [92:31]
Uncle Ocho
With. With these crazy patients. Like, listen, bro, I'm trying to give her a better life. So I understood that at an early age, man, you got to work hard. Man, you got to work hard. So I was willing to put the work in. And everything else is history, bro. So once you see the light, you got to go for it.
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Martha Stewart
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