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It's Cam Jordan. I'm back with season three of your favorite podcast, the off the Edge with Cam Jordan Podcast. Tap in every Wednesday to hear conversations with my friends and stars from the NFL, the sports world in general, and entertainment about everything from teams and players making waves to pop culture. And I'll take you inside my journey through my 15th season in the NFL. Looking forward to you joining me this season. The season of More on the off the Edge with Cam Jordan Podcast. Catch new episodes every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you.
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Yeah, I'm somewhat of a big NASCAR fan. I've been down to Carolina and I've been down to Daytona multiple times to go to races. It's a great, great moment, great historical moment for Bubba Wallace. Congratulations to him and his team on this achievement. But I think there are a lot of people that, that don't, don't really appreciate NASCAR because they view it as and just cars going in circles but obviously not understanding that there's a method to the madness.
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Oh, there's a lot of strategy, a.
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Lot of strategy that goes into it. And again, like other sports that people don't watch, you'll never understand it until you are actually in the atmosphere and you're able to experience what it's like for, for one, me being in Daytona and sitting in those stands with those earplugs in, it does something to me. It just does something to you. Even if you don't enjoy that actual sport itself, but listen, you. For those of you that are in the chat that are listening, just give it a chance. Give. Give NASCAR a chance. Go there, enjoy. Sit. Sit outside the atmosphere and feel the power of the engines. The. Just that. The. That it's. It's hard to. It's hard for me to even put it into words and explain it to you because it's just something that you have to experience on. On itself. It's like. It's like. It's like to the roller coaster ride, you know, riding the roller coaster and then trying to explain to someone else what it's like, you know.
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Right. You have to be there. You have to experience it for.
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You got to. You got to. So for those of you watching me, at some point, just if you have a track near you, just go experience nascar, man, and you. You'll get a better understanding. Even if you don't like cars going in circles, you will enjoy that experience.
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Yeah. You know, Ocho, they're teams and you know, you. You try to pull your teammate along. You know, you try not to. You know, what. How you gonna. How do you set. How you're gonna set the race up if you can get to the front and you can slow it down? You know, certain things like that. But you know, Bubba has gone through a lot. You know, it's not like I said, it's kind of like with anything when you. At the. When they're not a whole lot of you kind of like Tiger with. And golf, they're not. There were not a whole lot of Tiger Woods. He had, you know, Calvin Pete and Charlie Sifford and. And dentist to. To follow. To follow. And. And I think Bubba only had, I think Wendell Scott. That's the only one off the top of my head is that is Wendell Scott back in the 60s and in early 70s. But for Bubba to win one of the crown jewels, one of the slams, and I know how bad he wants to win Daytona because that's the Super Bowl.
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Yeah.
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And NASCAR is. Is one of the few events to have their super bowl at the beginning of the season. Most people have their. Their most important at the end of the season. You have the World Series, you have the super bowl, you have the. The NBA Finals. But in NASCAR Daytona, their biggest race is that if they first race. But for Bubba to win the Brickyard, obviously he was extremely excited. I. I watched him afterwards and you know, you talk about how you talked to Jordan and Jordan said he was extremely proud of him and he's Gonna have a couple of drinks, uh, for him. And I'm sure Bubba's gonna have a couple of drinks on his own because that's a, That's a huge honor. Nobody, no other black had ever won on the big oval at Indy. Like I said, that's dope, man. That's. That's. That's a huge honor, Ojo. That's a huge honor. And I'm extremely proud for Bubba. Like I said, I had an opportunity to talk to him and, you know, I know he wants to do well and, and he had some. Had some lean years. Yes, had some lean years. Things weren't going his way, you know, DNP and things of that nature wasn't finishing in the top 10. But hopefully they've kind of got this thing turned around and they can be serious for the rest of the year. Getting to the final, you know, getting to the, the, the. The NASCAR playoffs and who knows? But that would be, that would be. That would be a huge honor if he could win. If he could win the Cup. Boy. Hey, boy. Boy, boy.
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Listen, you talk about. Me talking about making history. Yeah, that's making history. That Daytona big.
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Yeah, well, what Daytona's done with. But I'm talking about, you know, because, you know, now what they do is that they have the NASCAR players.
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Yeah.
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And so you get accumulating up and then you get in there and each week they whittle people off. Well, you. Now you drop, and now they drop. And then it comes down to, you know, hey, it might come down to the last race where only a handful of people, maybe two or three guys have a realistic chance of winning the race. And so that's. That would be that. I, I think, you know, obviously, Daytona is the biggest. But if you can win the. You can win the. The playoffs. But I'm extremely, I'm extremely excited for Bubba. He went through some things last year. You remember the noose incident that happened, and there was a big hullabaloo about that. And they said it was a pool where people would pull the garage door down. It was just made like that. He didn't think so, but he seems to be on the right track now. And it's about racing because that's what it comes down to. It's about winning. And I think Michael Jordan and Danny Hamlin has given him a great car to drive. NASCAR is very competitive.
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Yes.
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It's a very expensive sport, you know.
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And, and hey, the more you win, right? The better the sponsors. I know you got a new. I got Mike. I know, you got, you know, brother. Brother Hamlin. Right?
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Yeah. Denny Hamlin. Yeah.
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But, but listen, the more you win responses, the more money that you're allowed to pour into your car. When you allow the pour into your car, the better performing car you get.
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Right?
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So, I mean, that's a whole nother story.
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Yeah. You know, you got, you know, you got Joe Gibbs and you got Jack Roush and you got Penske and you got Rick Hendricks. Rick Hendrix is the big guy, big.
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Man.
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You know, and those guys are based out of all those guys. You know, Charlotte is the NASCAR capital. That's where the NASCAR hall of Fame is located up there in Morrisville and Mechanicsville and Kannapolis. That's where all the guys have their garages and, and, you know, do their testing up there. But this is a huge honor. I'm extremely proud for Bubba Wallace and hopefully he can keep it going. I'm extremely happy for Michael Jordan and Denny Hamlin because like you said, Ocho, the more you win, the more sponsors. Because this is not, this is not, this is not a cheap sport.
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It's not easy either.
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No, no, no.
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It's not easy either. I don't, I don't think. I wish, I wish I, I, I could talk nascar, the Pacifics on what it takes. Like, I talk, I can talk football or I can talk soccer. I could talk boxing. But how you have to strategize yourself like you running the 800, or you have to strategize yourself like you running the 400, you know?
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Right.
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Like you said, you can't just go out there and step on the pedal and just, you know, this. You got to worry about gas, got to worry about tires. Like, it's, it's so much that goes into.
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Yeah. How much fuel? You know, how. What is the, what is the fuel? How many, how many laps can we go? Are we, if it comes down to it, are we going to push it? Because if we push it, there's a chance on the final lap, we run out of gas. We, we, we've seen that happen before. My teammates, hey, guys, hey, let's find somebody. Let's draft. You know, Bubba was telling me how they cut the engine and coast and then fire back up to go again. So there's a lot of strategy, like you said. You just don't step on the, cast the gas unless. Okay, let's go around the track as fast as we can. We don't want to blow the engine. That's what testing's for. You get an idea of how the tires are burning, the type of track, what's going on? Am I going to stay low? Am I going to get high? What's the best. You know, what's the best time to pass? Where's the best areas to pass? There's so much going on.
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Sometimes you drift, you know. You know about drip. I mean, draft. I'm sorry. Yeah, I used to play. I used to play Nash on. On. Was that PlayStation? PlayStation. Xbox. One of them.
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Oh, yeah. And then you get guys the bump draft you where they draft you, hit you in the buck, move you out the way, and they go. And now they go.
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They shoot right by you like a slingshot.
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Yeah, just like that's. That's the movie called. They call it a slingshot, you know, but it's very competitive, and sometimes, guys, hey, you spent my. I forgot what you did last time. You spit me. I'm gonna spin your ass out. I think that was 79 when it was. Who was it? Was it Kale Yarber and Bobby Allison got into it and Richard Petty.
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It's been. It's.
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It's been some that ended up passing on the last light that ended up. He got number seven. Was it? Was it?
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Boy, it's been some epic fights in nascar, boy.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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They throw hands. Oh, you wrecked me. You wrecked. Oh, yeah. They throw hand. They throw hands in nascar.
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Oh, yeah.
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It's Cam Jordan. I'm back with season three of your favorite podcast, the off the Edge with Cam Jordan Podcast. Tap in every Wednesday to hear conversations with my friends and stars for the NFL, the sports world in general, and entertainment about anything from teams and players making waves to pop culture. And I'll take you inside my journey through my 15th season in the NFL. Looking forward to you joining me this season. The season of More on the off the Edge with Cam Jordan Podcast. Catch new episodes every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you.
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So Congratulations, Bubba Ocho. NFL plans to find more than 100 players and roughly two dozen club employees who were found to be in violation of the NFL tickets resale policy for reselling super bowl tickets at at a profit under agreement between the league and NFL Players Association. Players who violated rules will be fined one and a half times the face value of the ticket and lose their allotted tickets to the next two Super Bowls. If they're playing in the game, players will have a chance to purchase seats. Those are who decline. Punishment could be suspended by Commissioner Roger Good day.
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But that's tough. That's tough. You know, it's unfortunate for those players, but I don't mean to say it, but that's been going on for a very long time. But you ain't here. Yeah, and I'm not telling you what I heard, I'm telling you what I know. And we not talk about players. You know, we talk about even those that sit in higher positions have always sold their tickets for profit. This is nothing new. I think this is the way to clamp down on it. Maybe it's getting out of control now based on what the players are making from a profitable standpoint. But with the money they're making these days, the players that's probably setting the tickets are those that don't make as much is others. If you understand What I'm saying.
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I do.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I think the thing is, Ocho, is, look, the reason why they've increased face value of the tickets, because they find out they were scalping them. And it says, well, if you're gonna pay $5,000 for on the resale, we might as well go ahead and put them at 5,000face value. If you're gonna pay that on the secondary market, you might as well play this on the primary market. And so. And plus, you have to understand, y' all do realize the NFL know the lot number, the seat section. Yeah, they know all of that.
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Everything, Every everything. But this is the first time. It's so funny.
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They're cracking down on that.
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Every super bowl, though. This has been going on every super bowl for who knows how long. Even when I was. Yeah, I'm sure it happened. We're playing. But why are they cracking down on it this year? Specifically why all of a sudden? I'm just curious.
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Because you. Man, you getting FBI involved because people ain't paying taxes. Because at the end of the day, RS gonna want the cuto joke. See, that's. That's where you run a file at, because you sold something. Okay, Uncle Sam said, where my cut?
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Right, right, right, right.
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Oh, yeah, Uncle Sam gonna want his cut. And the NFL's been trying to crack down on this. They, look, you want to go to the game, they says, look, you might as well just go ahead and come through us and pay. I think the face value ticket when I was playing was probably 325, 400. They got face value tickets now. Probably cheapest ticket to get in, probably 1500 to 2000. And then it goes from there. 2003, 3500, 4050 yard line seats. I mean, obviously, you know, if you get a suite, might be anywhere from a million to two, two and a half million dollars, considering where it's positioned on the field. But I'm not surprised because I kind of saw the direction once they started, up in the prices to what the resellers were getting for same said tickets. So I'm really. I'm really not surprised, Ocho, that they're gonna crack down. Because, look, NFL's a business, always has been. And it's kind of like if you run a restaurant, if you don't keep a close tab, somebody, they're gonna give your alcohol and they're gonna give your food away because they're gonna have their homeboys or their homegirl come sit at the bar and they're gonna drink for free. And they gonna come in there and they're gonna get. They're gonna get meals, and they're gonna get there for free. And if you're not careful, they'll be giving some of your prime good stuff out the back door. So the NFL says, you know what? We're gonna crack down on this now. We don't let it slide. And we probably. They probably told about you. You know, they first come around at the beginning of the year, down a.
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Little bit now, and they used to go down. They thought they. They had a little bit more season on it. Okay.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Y' all getting out of control because.
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They'Re like, hold on, man. Kansas City. Oh, going for the 3p. Oh, them take it back. Oh, man, they got Jay. They got the Eagles. Jayla hurt.
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You could double charge that, huh? You could throw. Yeah, you could sell them for double maybe.
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Yeah, yeah. So you probably selling those. And, you know, you got good seats.
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Absolutely.
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Especially if you. If you. If you. And if you're one of the teams that are in it, you got great seats. Yeah, at least eight of the 15.
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Right.
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Because I think. I think they gave. You know, you got it. You got two comps and you got. You bought the other 13. Eight were really good season, and seven. I mean, look, you're in the super bowl, so it ain't. They like, they was way, way up there, but they were. They were decent seasons. But you could, you know. But things are different now, Joe. Things are different in that. I think the biggest thing that I would say is as time changes you, you must be willing to adapt to the changing of the times. You can't say, like, you and I, we came on. Oh, man. Oo. They've been doing this from the beginning of the time. Yeah, they did, but they cracking down on it now, and they cracking your head and they. Because they. They tried to. What they tried to do. Oo. It used to be you could like, hey, man, you going. You using your super bowl tickets? Nah. Hey, can I get them? Hey, such and such. Get my tick. Get my two super bowl tickets.
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They can go pick them up, too.
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They can go pick them up.
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Yep, I remember that now.
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They don't put a situation where like, you got to come pick the tickets up. They won't let. They don't let you transfer them as easily. And, you know, it used to be. Well, I believe your ticket at will call. Nah, they don't do that anymore. So basically, you got to have the tickets in hand. Well, no, they're digitally where they used to have, you know, you had to have tickets at hand. Now they mainly do it digitally scan, and they don't want you transferring the tickets. So. And I get you, right? The guys, probably some of the guys that are doing this, they're not the guys that's making 20, 30, $40 million a year. They're probably guys that, you know, you know, on the practice squad.
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Yeah.
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Trying to make a. Trying to make a little change.
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Try to. Try to, hey, you know, 18 little. $18,000 for two tickets. That good little. That'll hold me over. Oh, quick.
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And listen, you. And people have to understand, too, when you think about the NFL, well, how the hell they know what players did it? NFL knows everything because they know the tickets. Not only do they know the tickets, they know everything. Everything. They know what everybody is doing on all 32 teams, who they hang with, where they live, what they spend, where they go, where they shut down, everything. Do people understand? The NFL does their homework so diligently. Well, not only before you make it, even while you still in it, man, they went back and talked to my elementary teacher. My elementary teacher. Like, why are you talking to my elementary teacher about what I did in elementary? I wasn't even the same Chad back then.
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They also joke like, tickets. Well, that's why if you have season tickets, you got to be careful who you let sit in those seats, because they act a fool. Not only do they throw them out, now they take your season tickets. Remember how the Detroit fan. Who. That Detroit fan that got into it and they took his season tickets.
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Oh, that's right. He was right. Screaming at the coach. Screaming at the coach.
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Yes, yes. So they know because they got it allotted, okay? The Cincinnati Bengals, they got this allotment of tickets. These are where the section of the bingo tickets are going to be. This is where the Bronco tickets will be. This is where Green Bay. This is where this one there's where that one. So they know.
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Yeah.
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At this point in time now, guys, it's just not worth it. And I get it. Try to pick up your a little extra kick quick cash. Because you get off seven tickets, you're probably looking at, you know, and the problem is you're running into Ocho's IRS because you're taking cash and you're not paying taxes on that money. Uncle Sam want his cut. Yeah. It's just like anything alcohol, when they found out they could tax it. Now all of a sudden, you didn't need the bootleg cigarettes. Once they could find out how to tax it. You didn't need. Hey, you did. Hey, you didn't need to smuggle them weed once they found out they could tax it.
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Yes, sir.
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You see what they did with it. Now, if y' all would just come on saying, well, Uncle Sam, I sold these for 70 years. You're 35. Uncle Sam said, do what you do, but you gonna cut. Hey, cut me in or cut it out.
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You gonna wait, say that.
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Cut me in or cut it out like Joe say. Joe say cut me in and cut it.
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I like that. I gotta say that. I like that.
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That's it. You know how it is. Uncle Sam. It don't matter how small, man. Man, what Uncle Sam want 35 for the same reason you want the whole 35. He wanted 17 and a half. He gonna get it. Now, don't play with Uncle Sam. Now you can play with a lot of people. Don't play with him, huh?
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Listen, them people don't play, you hear me?
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Check what they don't. Hey, they don't. It. It ain't. Hey, hey. I done got audited for a dollar. Yeah, I got audited. I got audited one time, Ocho. And the, the envelope that they send it there cost more than what I. What I owed. It was just the principle of the matter.
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Right, right, right, right.
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Man, don't play with the people about that money because a lot of times they know everything because every. What you got in your account and they'll let that interest draw. Now the thing that you'll have to learn about Uncle Sam. Uncle Sam is never going to give you the interest on your money when he late that he's going to charge you for when you leave. So he already know and they'll let that thing go. Say, oh, he. Oh, man, now he can't pay. Let me come on in. Let me make an example out of him.
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Yeah.
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Cause they want the high profile. Because if they get the high profile, it's like, well, hell, he had millions and they did something bad to him. What they gonna do to me, right? Just go ahead. Just go ahead and pay them people their money. Leave Uncle Sam alone. Because Uncle Sam don't play by his. But I'm. But I'm not surprised that they took this because I kind of being close to the situation and hearing kind of felt they were kind of headed this heading in this direction that I remember when they implemented this Ocho, they were going to the. The three and the two and the three and the four thousand dollar face value ticket, the ten thousand dollar face Value ticket. Because they found out people was willing to pay back. Yeah, they say, man, why they ch. Man, why they charge $10,000 for some chrome hard jeans? Because people will pay for it. That's why. The same reason they charge $1,000 for a steak, People will pay for it. And if people will pay for it, there'll be somebody there to provide whatever service is needed. You want a tank? Yeah, I need a tank. It gonna cost you five, ten. Get me the tank. You need a bazooka, you need a missile. Whatever you need, somebody will. Will be able to feel that need always, man. Ocho, I need 200 Super bowl tickets, okay? Hey, man, such and such need 200 Super bowl tickets. Well, let me go to a couple of different teams. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I got you, right? NFL said, nah, we're gonna do away with this. If you want to go watch one of our. One of our events, you're gonna have to. You're gonna have to come through. You're gonna have to come through. Have to pay because all.
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All that. All that. All that value and that money that's being made is going back to them.
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How you think they pay each team 432 million, 600,000? You would think, like, man, what the NFL care about 5,000, 10,000, 15,000?
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Because it adds up. It all adds up. No matter how small it is, it adds up.
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Penis make dollars.
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You ain't got to tell me twice.
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A
Yeah, if it make dollars, it makes sense with a C and with s. So. Yeah, but I'm not surprised that they're taking this thing. And I'm glad they kept it anonymous. You don't know, because if it's somebody bad, the last thing you want, Ocho, is somebody that's making 50 million and they're selling two tubo tickets for $20,000. So I'm glad. Hopefully they get this thing resolved and you see, you know, hey, they know everything.
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D
Yeah, litter.
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A
They know everything. They know about the gambling because they're going to turn. Look, the draft kings and the in the fox and the bets and the this and that. They want to be able to still be able to bet on football and basketball and baseball. If you think for one second they not going to turn your ass in.
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D
Phone numbers, emails, anything tracking back to.
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A
You and any irregularities, because that's what they're looking for.
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D
Damn.
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A
Why did man keep betting the unknown old boy, man? Why he. Man, he ain't finished the game yet. Let me. Let me make note of that. Damn. They. Oh, something ain't adding up. Oh. Before Aaron Rodgers signed with the Steelers, former Steelers great quarterback, super bowl winning quarterback Terry Bradshaw called the move a joke. Terry added, what are you going to do? Bring him in for one year? Are you kidding me? That guy needs to stay in California, go somewhere, chew on bark and whisper to the gods out there. Rogers responding this week saying, I whisper to the gods every single day. He's got an idea what he thinks about me based on what I've done. The documentary, what said it was said darkness, retreat, whatever the hell you want to talk about. I love to get to know Terry on a deeper level. I feel like he gave me a chance to get to know him. Then we have a good friendship. Ocho.
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D
Yeah.
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A
Honest assessment.
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D
Yeah.
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A
What do you expect from Aaron Rodgers this year? And what do you expect from the Steelers this year?
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D
This year? Listen, Aaron Rodgers only has to do one thing. Facilitate the ball and do his best not to make mistakes. That's all he has to do. You got dk. That's one nice target. Defensively aware the Steelers are going to win football games, we just need Aaron Rogers to manage the games and be a game manager. A moniker that most people see as an insult, which it is not. And don't turn the ball over. The defense will take care of the rest because that's where the Steelers identity is now. From now on, I mean the best.
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A
Players on that side of the ball.
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D
It is what it is. And if we can get flashes, if we can get flashes of brilliance of the old Aaron Rogers, so be it. Thank you. But the people on offense are going to have to be the one to uplift Aaron Rogers because he's not the same quarterback he used to be. Where he can uplift everyone else around him, it's completely opposite.
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A
Now I agree with you. I agreed everything that you said. You look at their best player, they're on that side of the ball, the defense side of the ball. You look at T.J. watt, you look at Cam Hayward, you look at Jalen Ramsey, you look at Darius slay, Joy Porter Jr. Their best players are on that side of the ball.
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D
Crazy.
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A
And so Aaron just needs to be. And Aaron has never been a, a heavy turnover guy.
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D
No.
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A
He threw double digit interceptions, but that's not normally Aaron's mo. I think he only has a maybe two or three seasons in which he's had double digit turnover interceptions. He's not. We've seen him throw four interceptions over the course of the season. We've seen him throw five interceptions, six interceptions over the Course of the season, he's normally very, very good with the ball. And that is the Aaron Rodgers they need. The old Aaron Rodgers, not an old Aaron Rogers. And if he can give them that. Give them that level of consistency, I think they're gonna be in every game. If you think you're gonna just go in there and blow the doors off, that ain't gonna happen with that defense.
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D
Ain't happening. I know that. Listen, I know the names look good on paper, but all the players that they've acquired are proven. Not on paper, but on the field. So you get those type of players. Jaylen Ramsey and Darius slays your joy. Porter Jr. Who is very, very good, who doesn't get the thirds. Because everything is always talked about from an offensive standpoint, especially referring to the quarter you got. T.J. watt. Cammit, man, listen. They gonna be all right. And that defense is gonna have them in games. We just need Aaron Rodgers not to bottle it. They gonna be all right.
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A
I agree. I agree. Do you believe the Steelers will accept him?
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D
Yeah, yeah, that. Listen, they're not there to make friends. We're not here to make friends. We here to do. Yeah, listen, we here to do one thing. We got one singular focus win and do the best we can to have a good record, a decent enough record to make to the playoffs. And from that point on, we know it's four games after that. That's all it is. It becomes a new season. Four games after that.
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A
Yeah.
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D
Can we get to that point?
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A
Well, the Steelers have gone to the playoffs, but they haven't won a playoff game since 2016. I think that was the year that they ended up beating Fake. They beat Kansas City. Remember, they went to Kansas City and Leon had that outstanding game and they ended up winning that game. But I don't. If I'm not mistaken, I could be wrong. So, Chad, don't hold that against me, but I don't think they've won a playoff game since 2016. That's almost been 10 years OO for the Steelers. Yeah, listen, that's the Steelers.
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D
The funny thing about it is they haven't. It's been 10 years, but they've had winning seasons. Consistent. That's how hard it is to get into the playoffs when you're in that afc, especially that damn division we in.
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A
Yeah, look, I. I think the thing is, is that. Look, these guys like Terry. Terry's way over mine. Terry was the number one overall draft pick in 1970. Hell, I was born in 68. So two years after I was Born Terry was the, you know, I came in the league in, in 90, so that, so there's at least a, what a 20 year age gap. So if I'm, if I'm 57, Terry's got to be 77. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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D
Hold on.
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A
So he came out. So he had to came. If he didn't register that, they wouldn't register like that back then. So he came out at 21, 22 in 1970. And it's what, 19, it's 20, 25 now. That's 55, that's 55 years. So he gotta be, he's got to be 77, maybe 78. Hell, let me, you know what, let me google this, let me see how old Terry. But it's hard for me to believe he's anything other than that. Oo, yeah, because like I said, it's a Ted Bradshaw, He's 76, born in 1948, he'll be 77 September 2nd. Okay, so I'm right, right on it.
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D
Yeah, you on it. You good with numbers on you? Was a math major.
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A
Hey, I, like I said, I don't think they red shirted a whole lot back then, cuz, you know, college. Try to get your ass up out of there. They, hey, they were trying to pay for an extra year. But I think the thing is, is that if you look at those old, old guys, you play football, you keep your mouth shut, you go home. Yeah, that's old, all that other stuff, it annoys them.
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D
But listen, you just said something earlier when we were talking about the super bowl tickets and about adapting. Yeah. Some of the old players from that era, back in those times, they had a way of doing things. But now, yes, we, we in air, we, we've moved on and advance in certain areas, especially the game of football. Everybody doesn't act that way. Everybody's not a robot in their approach to the game and how they play or see it. So they need to adapt as well, which many of them haven't. Many of them, no.
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A
No. I think the greatest key to survival is survival is adaptability. And because the players were that way, the coaches went that that way, ownership was that way. And so they don't see this like bro. And when Terry, Terry won four Super Bowls in six years. And so he's like, this method is tried and true. The less distractions you present for the team, the better off you're gonna be. All this talking and all, but, but oh, so that's, that's how they do it. Because look, some people can, you Know can party and can hang out, come in at 2 or 3 in the morning, get two or three hours sleep and function just fine. That wasn't what I could do.
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D
Right.
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A
I need to be sleep by 10, 10:30. I mean, it is what it is. And some guys can hang out and, and drank and come in and you thought they got to bed at 7:30 and they didn't get. And they might have not got to bed at 7:30 that morning.
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D
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's them big boys.
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A
Yeah, but that's, but who knows? Aaron said, and we just taking him at his word. If Terry got to know him on a deeper, deeper level, gave him a chance, who knows, they might hit it off. He might actually like me.
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D
Yeah, yeah.
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A
Because I do think Aaron is a deep thinker. I think sometimes he does overthink things. But hey, man, the old man, Ocho, you know how it is, man. Them old, when the mole people get set, they sitting their ways, they're not.
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D
Changing, they're not evolving. They think everything works based on how they had success. Well, it worked for me, it should work for you. So you should be doing it this specific way. Nothing. They, they, they, they're not good with technology, the whole nine yards.
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A
It's hard when you only looking through your lens.
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D
That's a good one.
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A
See, Terry only sees things through his lens. And so it's tough. It's tough, Ocho, when you've criticized somebody and all of a sudden they come play for the organization that you play for. Now, what works in Terry's favor is that Terry is not really around. Right. He's not like, rest his soul, Franco used to be around all the time. Mel Blunt is around all the time. Terry, Terry works. Terry is not around.
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D
Yeah.
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A
And unless Fox have the super bowl, he's not going to be around. Right. So like I said, I've been around Terry, you know, worked at, worked at Fox for years and, and, and, and, and, and met Terry. He's a, he's a country, he's a country guy that I think. What does he have now? He used to have cattle. I think he got horses now.
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D
And you know, he gonna tell it like it is no matter who it is too, huh? Hey, you gonna, he gonna tell you just like I almost said the R word. He gonna give it to you raw pause.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he is. And so you know, his family, you. Like I said, I know in the beginning, but if I'm not mistaken, I think Terry has, I think he raises quarter horses now. I Know, one point in time he had cattle. He had beef cattle. He was in the cattle business. I don't know if he still has it. He had, you know, big ranch, you know, he had, you know, probably, I don't know. Hey, speaking, of course, 10,000 acres.
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D
Well, you ever, you ever rolled quarter horse before?
- [38:55]
A
Nah, man, I, I, we had a pony growing up. We had a pony named Ringo. I had a cousin had a, a horse named lady who was an Appaloosa, you know, white with the black spots.
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D
But nah, nah, you know, I, I ride horses. You know, I'm out there in Davey, out there in Miami. My Ride horses consistently when I, when I have time. Obviously I got damn quarter horse, man. They, they ride, they ride like real, you can feel every goddamn thing. It's like nothing, man, they looking, look.
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A
He looking to run, Ocho. He look for you to write if you want something to ride or you want something to ride. Silly to ride or, or to work. You need to get a saddle horse. You need to get. You, you didn't get a horse. That's, that's specific. What, what are the fairbread meant to do? Fairbread's meant to run.
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D
Running is fine. It's just the ride is rough. Now, you can't remember Filipino police. I can't remember the name of the kind of horses they have in the Dominican Republican. They're not that big, but unk. It feel like you're riding on clouds.
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A
They going, okay.
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D
It feel like you. I know. It's, it's so smooth and so easy to, to catch a rhythm. Them goddamn quarter horses, man. You. Every goddamn. Even if you try, you know, I've been riding years now, I can't even catch.
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A
No, I'm like, you try to go with it. It's still running.
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D
Yeah, I can't remember the kind of horses they have in the Dominican Republic. Starts with a P. Philip something.
- [40:17]
A
Might have been a Filipino. Yeah, Felicia. Now, I mean, I just like, you know, just, just looking at the horse, the muscular structure, and you're looking at an animal that's a thousand pounds. That ankle bone is the size of a human. And that's why they have so many, so many leg problems.
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F
A horse.
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A
You look, you look at a horse, an animal that's a thousand pounds and his ankles are not much bigger than a human. That's why they've break so easy.
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D
Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
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A
That's, you know, that's why, that's why you have the problem that you have. And you know, a lot of Times what they do when you break it, you, you know, you put him down because you're asking him to try to put that weight, to redistribute that weight is, it's sad. That's what it is. But. No, but I, I. Look, I wish, you know, Terry and, and Aaron can get somewhere and, and the conversation, we never hear about it. We never hear about it because I don't think we need to hear about it. I don't think we need to know about it.
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D
Right.
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A
But I think, you know, there are some things that, you know, Terry would probably want to share with Aaron and Aaron would want to share with Terry and they could, they could move the ball forward. But, but that's something that we shouldn't, we, we don't have to know.
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D
Yeah, I'm sure, Listen, I'm, I'm sure Aaron's gonna find a way to get it, to have a conversation with him as for his number or Terry gonna find a way to reach, reach out to him. And just because you're playing for my organization. I didn't mean what I said like that. But they, they're going to talk. And you know, Aaron Rodgers, he shares everything. Here's everything. So at some point during the season, it's going to come out that we had a conversation. If he's not well, Terry's still gonna let him, let his ass have it on TV for sure.
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A
And the thing is, and also Terry doesn't live in Pittsburgh. I think Terry lives in Oklahoma, near the Texas board or something like that. So he's not like one of these, his great players for team players that live in the city in which they played a lot of time, you know, players that, that were great, they still live there because, you know, Ocho, I can, I can cash in, you know, autograph signing and appearances and speaking engagements and things of that nature. The team, you know, team activities, stuff like that, they can take advantage of that. But Terry, Terry left. I don't think Terry, Terry only lived in Pittsburgh probably during the season and once the season was over, Terry took off, right?
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D
Yeah.
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A
Shamar Stewart and the Cincinnati agreement. Four years fully guaranteed. A little less than $19 million. That includes 10.4 million signing bonus every 25, 20, 25 first round pick is not signed. Stewart spoke after practice saying there was, there was never me versus anybody. We just didn't see eye to eye at that point. And at the end of the day I'm happy to Bill. Bingo. I'm happy that I got drafted here. We, we have a Long relationship ahead of us. There's no bad blood. It's just. It's just how things go sometimes.
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D
I like it. Listen, it's uncle's business. It's business.
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A
Yes.
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D
I want to say congratulations to, to Shamar Stewart and his, his representation. Mike Brown, Katie, Troy Duke, everyone else getting this deal done. Shamar Stewart is now in camp. He didn't miss that. Well, he missed what, one, one or two days?
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A
Huh?
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D
What? He missed two.
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A
Couple of days. He missed a couple of days. You know, he didn't do any of the OTAs and things like that. The team install.
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D
So he has a lot of catching. I'm hoping. I'm sure he was working. I'm sure he was working out wherever he was. Obviously at Texas A M. But it's different. It's different.
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A
Yeah.
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D
Structure, environment with your own team and your players, you can work out as long as you want. You know, after that second or third day, you're gonna be sore as hell no matter what you do. Yeah, it's sore because they. People. You don't have people pulling and pushing on you the way it, the way it happens, you know, in that structured environment. So I'm hoping he, he does well, stays healthy. Stays healthy despite the Daisy miss. And that's the key and hope I hope he goes out there and shows off because now all eyes on him, huh? All eyes on him because of the holdout. Whatever, Whatever. Whatever was going on, all eyes on him. And based on what type of production you're going to put up for what you were putting the fans through. That's how they see it. Put the studios, you got us waiting, whatever it may be, even though it was business, all eyes on you now. You just got to show up, show up and show out. That's it. That's it.
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A
You're absolutely right. You get in football shape playing football. Yeah. I don't care how much you run on your.
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D
It don't matter.
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A
You need to play football to get in football shape. You need to put those pads on, put that helmet on and like you say, ojo, have people pushing, pulling, tugging on you.
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D
Yeah.
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A
You work. Yeah. You need to do that in a, in a, in a, in a practice or a football type atmosphere. Running, look, I understand that running sprints give you a nice foundation. Yeah.
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D
That's about it.
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A
But it ain't the same at all. It's not the same. And like you and I think Ocho, he got a little bit more money. He had to give up something. They had to give up something. I think at the end of the day, that's. That's probably how negotiation should work. I give a little, you give a little. We both feel like we got had. Hey, we good. Because. Because sometimes, Ocho, negotiations can make it awkward.
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D
Yeah.
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A
You know what I'm saying? I feel like I gave up too much. You feel like you gave up too much, and now we got bad blood.
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D
It's just business, huh? It's just business. At the end of the day, I know a game that you love to play as a kid.
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A
You.
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D
You just get to a point in life when you get so good at.
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A
It, and you people pay you for it.
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D
Yeah, people pay for what you love to do, Right? Damn.
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A
And the old adage, never do something for free that somebody will pay you for.
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D
That's a good one.
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A
And Jamar sure, like, hey, y' all gonna pay me for football? Let me try to get as much as I can. And rightfully so. I mean, most services probably started out as free. And then somebody say, I'll pay you to do that. You will. Because, Ocho, what do you say, man? I, Hey, I love the game so much, I play it for free. And that was. The coach told me one time, Ocho say, that's what I love about Shadow Shark. This guy, he would play the game for free. I said, yeah, but I'm gonna need them other 45 more folks play for free, too, because I ain't gonna be the only one to play it. Right. Right. Just so. Just so we clear, right? Yeah, I'll play for free, but I ain't gonna be the only one that ain't getting no check.
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D
Yeah.
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A
If everybody get the check. Yeah. Hey, I'm here, but I'm happy. I'm happy for young fella, like you said. I don't think he missed a couple of. No more than a couple of days of camp. Hopefully. He's a. See, I couldn't learn like that. I got. I'm a, I'm a visual learner. I need you to draw, and I need to go through it.
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D
Yeah.
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A
You know what I'm saying, don't you? I need, I need to go through it. Put my butt like. Okay.
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D
Yes.
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A
This is what it's gonna be. Okay. Disc coverage. Okay. You know, this guy's a little faster than this guy, so he gonna clear it out a little better. I'm gonna be able to get. I, I just need to be there. I, I, I gotta see it. I ain't a guy. You just draw it up and says, okay, go do It. I. I need to. You draw it up. And now let me go out there and do it.
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D
Execute it.
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A
Yeah, I got to do that.
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D
And also, coach, when you draw it up, I know how you drew it, but every time you draw something up, it's not going to look that way on the field because there's somebody in front of you trying to stop me.
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A
Yeah, the Max knows that you drew up. They didn't move. They stayed exactly where you put them at. Hey, man, there ain't nobody dropped. Ain't nobody did nothing.
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D
Yeah. Oh, man, when I got out, that.
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A
Guy tried to kill me. Grabbed my face mask, my shoulder. He holding my pants. I like what? Damn.
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D
Pulling. Tugging on you.
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A
Yes.
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D
Yeah.
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A
Yes. And so. And it's like. Well, I was like, man, my. My clock had to go off. I figured by the time John took the ball, he took three steps. You know, that is Bruce Smith. That's Reggie. That's dt. I mean, how much time you think? How much time you think? I'm sorry I didn't go well, you know, you got to get to death. I said, yeah, if I got the extra, if I'd have went an extra 3 yards. Johnny got hit in the back of his head extra hard. So them extra 2 yards saved John an extra hard hit.
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D
Yeah. That's funny, man, though.
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A
Congratulations, young fella. Now just go out there and do what you do and make it happen.
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D
I love it.
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C
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TUA looks to rebuild a relationship with Tyreek Hill after The Reek's week 18 outburst. Let's take a listen to what Tua had to say.
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G
You guys aren't the only people that heard that. You know, a lot of people that follow football, that follow the Miami Dolphins, that follow Tyreek, that are fans of his, everyone has seen that. So when you say something like that, it's, you don't just come back from that with, hey, my bad. No, you got, you got to work that, that relationship up. You got to build everything up again. And yeah, that. It's still a work in progress, not just for me, but for everybody. But like I said, he's, he's working on himself. He's working on the things that he say. You know, he says he wants to get better wet with and do better on. So that's the first step to me. And so I commend him for doing that.
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A
Not one lie told.
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D
Yeah, not at all. Can you refresh the people that are, that, that are watching, the people that are listening, what he's referring to, though, because he said something. But the people might need context if they don't remember what Tyreek said at the end of the season.
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A
Well, I can't give you verbatim, but I think he Said something that he might be looking to get out of here because he liked winning and, you know, he got to do what's in the best interest for him. Things of that nature. He said. He said a lot of stuff, and he did.
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D
But I. I think, yeah, I think also I love what. I love what Tua said, obviously, publicly. 2. Is going to have his receivers back, but also hold his receiver accountable. Everything he said also with. For me, as a football player, a former player, understanding the. The frustrations that a receiver would have, who's had a down season for the first time, who's not used to having a lackluster season like that, the frustrations build up, the inconsistency. All right, I'm not used to this. So what's the first thing you do you vent about? Not actually want to be in that. In that situation anymore. And seeing that whatever method Tyreek was trying to do and trying to maybe find a way to get out of Miami and find somewhere else to go, maybe back to Kansas City or wherever it may be, it didn't work out that way. So what I have to do now, I can't take what I said back. All I can do is work on myself, apologize to my teammates, apologize to my quarterback and my coaches. And there's one way to make them forget about everything is to do what you do best. Catching touchdowns. That's catching passes and working your ass off. And that's three things that he already does, which is why he's one of the best at what he does now in the game. I think he's gonna be fine.
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A
Sometimes when you're angry, Ocho, and, And I get it. And I hate that. I really do. I. I hate when guys get angry and they don't speak to the media, because when you score 50, there's never a time when you. Somebody dropped 50 in the NBA, they didn't speak to the media. There's never a time when somebody had 150, 202, three touchdowns. They. They, they. They didn't speak to the media. But the moment you get a little frustrated, you don't want to speak to the media.
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D
That's what.
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A
But in certain situations, if it's a situation where you're so upset and the words that come out of your mouth might do irreparable harm, go ahead and talk to them today.
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D
I can't do it.
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A
I can't speak right now.
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D
But what. What. What did you. What's you saying? When emotions are high, logic is.
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A
Logic is low. And that's why I said, you know what? And I. I get up. I don't. I want you to good batter and disarm because you make the same money. It ain't like, you know why. I had a bad game, Ocho. So Ocho had a bad game. Ocho only had four for 50 yards. Well, Ocho, we gonna give you four for 50 yards money. Ocho had 10 for 260. Okay. Now, Ocho, we're gonna give you 10 for 260 money. You make the same either way. But we are human. Yeah. There were. There were times, man, I spoke to the media after the game. I'm seething because I know we had some guys that didn't play like they were supposed to. And sometimes I was one of those guys.
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D
Oh, same, same. I listen, I can remember my games where I played bad. Oh, I'm talking about vividly.
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A
Yes, Buffalo. And I ain't got no problem to tell the media. I gotta do better.
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D
Yeah.
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A
John's job is to throw it. My job is to catch it. Yeah, well, if he's throwing it, I ain't catching. I ain't doing my job. So I'm letting him and the team down. I like the fact that Tua acknowledged what he said, because a lot of times. Oh, man, we know. Hey, we. We know how guys are. So forth and so on. That's our brother. He didn't do that. That lets me know that what he said not only bothered him, but it bothered other people in the room. And they had a conversation with time. They've talked to Tyreek about this.
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D
Absolutely. Absolutely.
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A
They talked to Tyreek about this. And I like that, Ocho, because, you know, sometimes. Oh, Joe. They try to gloss it over, man. You know, it ain't that big of a deal. Oh, absolutely. Bad, please.
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D
And there's only one person that can get away with saying that, and that was the quarterback. That's the only one. That's the only person. Because it all fat. All falls back on quarterback not being there. Okay. My numbers aren't what they used to be. And anything that Tyreek says at the end of the season, who they gonna point the finger at? Quarterback.
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A
Yeah. And so. But Tyreek. Tyreek knows what he has to do. I've looked at Tyreek Body this year. Compared to what it was last year, he looks 10, 15 pounds light.
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D
I told you. I told you what it looked like at that goddamn workout. Why? That workout work?
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A
Yeah.
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D
Oh, my God.
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A
He look. He look. The thing is, Ocho, he's already so explosive, even if he leaves A step. Yeah. He's still faster than anybody else in the league.
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D
Hey, completely. And crazy. And you know what? The fact he didn't lose a step because he just ran a goddamn 101 last month. What do we. What. And he's not even training to run track. How you. You not even track training, and you ran a 10 one. Imagine if you was in track shape or had track technique or got track coaching.
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A
That.
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D
That 10 one dropped down to 9899.
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A
Yeah, he might. He definitely get this. He probably get the 10.
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D
Easy, easy. Come on, man. He gonna be. Gonna be all right, though. He's gonna be all right.
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A
Yeah, he's gonna be all right, but he just like. Look, you got to realize where he came from. See, they never had these problems in Kansas City, so Tyreek ain't used to this. Tyreek used to my homeboy being there. And so he used to like knowing. Okay, now, granted, not his first couple years in Miami. He's number one. He gonna get all the balls.
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D
Blah, blah, blah.
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A
Now and in Kansas City, you know, he had to split that with Kelsey, maybe Sammy Watkins or maybe someone else, but he knew he's gonna get X, and he knew Mahomes was going to be there.
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D
Right?
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A
It's hard no matter how great you are. Look, only DeAndre Hopkins can just go through quarterbacks and still put up Pro Bowl, All Pro numbers.
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D
You know who else did it? Goddamn Andre Johnson.
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A
Yeah.
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D
He had a quarterback carousel as well. And for some reason, production didn't even matter, regardless who got that throwing it.
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A
Yep. So I'm. I'm happy that he said Tyreek is working, but like you said, it takes time. And see. Oo. He could have lied. Oh, yeah. We done moved past that. Moved on and said, nah, nah, nope.
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D
Listen, sir, we gonna make everybody forget about this week one guarantee you. Because, you know, I know. I know what Mike McDaniel's gonna do. I know what he g. I know what he gonna call coming. They out the gate. Week one. They dialing up 10.
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A
But see, that's what. That's where you need leadership. Yeah. Because look at the situation that we dealt with in Baltimore in 2000. The offense went five weeks, and we didn't score touchdown. It could have. It could have split us at the seams. And the thing that really helped me, Ray Woody, two guys on defense, one guy on offense. We were really close. We did everything together on the road. We was in each other's room, laughing, talking. We went out. We all. We always went out together. We went to get something to eat. We did that together. And I just remember telling them, I said, you guys, y'. All. Y'. All. Y' all are doing unbelievable. Y' all having a great season, historically, great season. I said, but the thing I loved about football is they don't take great units to the Super Bowl. They take teams.
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D
Yes, sir.
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A
So I don't care. I don't care what y' all do if we don't start doing our part right. But when we start doing our part, don't you guys let that right. We'll get what we have to get fixed. Y' all just stay the course. And me being able to relay that to Woody, to be able to relay that to Rod, excuse me, to A. Ray. And to let them know that, hey, and then, you know, to tell Brian, bro, I ain't telling you that. You don't know, but it ain't getting done.
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D
Yeah. When I think about that 2000 team y' all had, that defense was so good. It was so good. Y' all didn't have to be as great as they did. All you had.
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A
No, listen, all y'.
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D
All.
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A
Well, that would have been. That would have been unfair.
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D
Been unfair. All y' all had to do, just meet him halfway. Just meet him halfway. Give us. Give us 10 points. We'll take care of the rest.
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A
Hey, if we got. If. If we got. If we got a 10 nothing lead. Oh, it was over, though. Unless. Unless we fumbled and you got a scooping score. You got to pick six. When Marvin Lewis we. We started playing and Marvin would say, shay, give us 10. Yeah, I say 10. What? We ain't about to get tid. What? Marvin said, I remember we playing. We started playing. Marvin say, hey, give us 10. We got to the playoffs.
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D
Yeah.
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A
Marvin said, give us seven. I say, marvin, do you realize what you said? I said, marvin, this team's in the playoffs. He said, you should give us seven and give it to us early. We played the Raiders and that. We had a great deal. So Marvin was the dc Jack Del Rio was the linebackers coach. Rex Ryan was the D line coach, I think. Who was the. Who was our DB coach. I forget his name, but he ended up going to be D.C. somewhere. But we were loaded. We playing the Raiders in the championship game. They said, give us seven, it's over.
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D
I remember, sh.
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A
Ray. Sh. Say, shay, y' all give us seven early at the half. It's over. I said, ray, they. They the number. They like the number one scoring team in football. What you mean, give us Give us. Say, Shay. Give us seven and a half. I said, well, I'm good for seven, you know, Big play, Shay. Oh, big play, Shay. Good for sale. I got that. Hey, I got that. Touchdown. I came to the sideline. I like Smokey. Mama told him, make it work. Yeah, you see, this ain't enough. Smoking say ain't enough. It ain't enough. She say make it enough.
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D
Hey, was it running back Napoleon Coffin back then or.
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A
No? No, it was Charlie Gardner.
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D
Okay. I forgot about Charlie. I forgot about Charlie. Charlie.
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A
Charlie Garner. No Nap. I don't think. I don't think Nappy was there then.
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D
He was nice. He was nice, too.
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A
Oh, he had speed. Now, you let him get outside now, he gonna cause some problems for you. Yeah, he. He hit us about 201one year at the Broncos. But I think that's the biggest thing. And, see, I think that's where veteran presence comes in, especially guys that are. That's not really concerned about numbers or. Or you're trying to win at a certain point in time, bro. What? Man, I don't care how much money you make, man, when you lose it, it sucks.
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D
What's bad, man?
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A
You bad. You hate. I like damn bad. You ain't. Oh, and people. People in chat. You're not thinking about a check. You like, Man, I'm out here in this hot heat. I'm out here in this cold. I'm out here, you know, with the. My body's aching. I'm hurting, and we losing.
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D
Hey, hold on now. You got to think about this now. I was in Cincinnati 11 years, but 10. You know how many winning scenes I had in Cincinnati?
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A
How many.
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D
May. Maybe what, two. One might be able to be able to check me on that. There's a reason I chose to have so much fun. There's a reason. How do I block out the losing part?
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A
I don't know.
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D
I'm doing everything.
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A
You're better man than me.
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D
Hey, make sure I'm doing everything I can. That's. That's all I can do. I know that 2005 season. That was a winning season. We had. Might have had it. Might. Might have had two. Two winning seasons, maybe.
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A
And your career or in Cincinnati?
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D
Cincinnati. Cincinnati is my career. What you mean?
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A
You played in New England. You got a year out there.
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D
I don't count.
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A
Man, that's on your resume. And guess what? If you go to the hall, they're gonna put that on your plate.
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D
I ain't going to the Hall. I put my own jacket on.
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A
That's okay, but if you were to. They go put it and everybody. I guarantee you, go to Wikipedia and see if they got New England in there. Go to Pull up. Pull up. Hey, Chat. Pull up OO in Wikipedia and see if they mention anything about New England. They will.
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D
I bet they don't.
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A
I bet they do.
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D
I don't even know how to. I don't know how to get on Wikipedia.
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A
Don't worry about it. I'm going to get on there for you. I'm going to get on there for you. Oh, you might need to have them take that spouse thing off there. But that's neither here nor there right now.
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D
What did it say?
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A
I ain't say nothing, but I'm saying, oh, he played football at Santa Monica.
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D
That's me. That's me. Oregon State. That's me.
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A
Oregon State. Beaver. And he played for Cincinnati Bengals and the New England Patriots during his tenure playing in the NFL.
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D
Hold on, Nate, what about. They ain't put. I played in Montreal too.
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A
Nope, they didn't put that up.
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D
But I played in Mexico too. They ain't put that.
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A
Oh, they did. They said he. Cincinnati being from 2001 to 2010. The Patriots 2011. They got an asterisk by Miami, but Montreal, Ali West 2014 and Del Monterey in 2017.
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D
See, see, you know what? I have the greatest career of any. Any NFL player ever because I played in the States, I played in Canada, and, and I played in Mexico. Who else could say that? Yeah. Yeah. What are we talking about? Different.
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A
Different member of. He was a member of the bingo's 40th anniversary and 50th anniversary teams.
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D
That's me. That's me. See, hey, I was good because you know how good you gotta. You know how good you got to be to play in the States. You could play in the NFL, play in Canada and Canada. Listen, I. I told you about my experience in Canada. Ain't no way in hell some of them fellas should be dying in Canada.
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A
I What?
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D
I think people look at the pay or the difference and think, oh, Canada. Sweet sh.
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A
Man, what was that? Cam Lake, who didn't have Miami had a guy that came out of Canada. Cameron. Okay, yeah, see, that's just.
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D
That's just one.
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A
There.
- [67:18]
D
There are a few examples of people that one Moon.
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A
Doug Flutie.
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D
Doug Flutie. But it's so many more. It. The. The numbers, the politics, the opportunity. There are so many players in Canada like it. It almost irks my soul that they didn't get opportunity because there's no reason you should be here. Every week we play somebody different. I've seen maybe four or five guys. Why? Why are you here doing. But anyway, that's neither here nor there.