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Chad Ochocinco (7:13)

Yeah.

Ocho (7:13)

And both landed a couple of punches. But clearly Charles Oliveira had a not he said look I'm coming to win the fight. Damn what y' all expect I can sure you Dana White is not happy before I let you go. Oo thank you Dana White. Thank you UFC for getting us the tickets to come to the nice fight. We greatly, greatly appreciate that. Can't thank you enough. Go ahead.

Chad Ochocinco (7:31)

Oo, obviously, listen, I, I was expecting a really good fight. I heard Cormier say the fans that were booing, they were casuals. How could you not appreciate the dominance that Oliveira showed, obviously on the ground and grappling being. That's what he's best at. Uh, if not the best, one of the best in UFC right now at, at the ground game, you have two different, two, two different fighting styles. You have two fighters, one is really good at fighting and grappling on the ground. You have one that's a, a phenomenal striker, one of the better strikers in the UFC and Max Holloway. And he refused to give Max in any type of leverage, any type of room to do, to do just that. I thought Max would have had a better game plan seeing after round one, okay, he's not going to allow me to strike. I'm going to have to be on the move every time. I'm going to have to be on my bicycle, not going straight back, but unleashing. Max is a volume puncher. Get a few punches out, either swing to the right or swing to the left. But every time he comes straight back, all he does is he stayed close. Oliveira stayed close. He would throw a kick and get him to react and then go low and take him down to the ground and shoot him down to the. He did it five rounds straight.

Ocho (8:45)

Five rounds, five rounds straight.

Chad Ochocinco (8:46)

It's almost like every round, goddamn Max Holloway was on his back three minutes of the goddamn round and he couldn't,

Ocho (8:53)

he couldn't get him off. He had no, he had no answer to get him off. He started the full, the full guard, then he went to the side and side guard, it really didn't matter. I think the thing is, Ocho, it's just like a lot of people thought that the bmf and you see when Holloway and guys, they throw, when Masvidal had the belt throw hands, that's what people were expecting. I underst, look, we, we understand the situation where you're not the baddest mofo. That belt means something. It's a little different. It's like we're in a three point competition. We in like, okay, the first to 20 and we supposed to be shooting threes and you shoot layups. I get it, you won the game, but damn, that's not what the fans came to see.

Chad Ochocinco (9:30)

That's not what the fans came to see. Also un. But you have to understand as a fighter, what do I do best? That's how I have to win.

Ocho (9:39)

I'm gonna do what I do best while neutralizing what you do best.

Chad Ochocinco (9:42)

Bingo. And then, listen, he had a great game plan going into it. I'm not going.

Ocho (9:46)

I'm not.

Chad Ochocinco (9:47)

I cannot throw with you. I cannot sit in the pocket. I cannot sit at range and go blow for blow with Max. That. That is his strength. That's what he does extremely well. What. What does he not do well? Ground game. I know I win there. And Oliveira is obviously the bigger man. He was huge. He was huge. He was much bigger than tonight. I would have liked to see Max. I know he wants to stand there. He wants to show that he can sit there and exchange punches and throw in volume. But he needed a different game plan tonight, especially after round one, seeing what Oliveira wanted to do as far as just taking him down and smothering most of the punches. And I mean, listen, I'm sure those that are enthusiasts, you know, they appreciate the fight and the dominance from Oliveira. For those that were looking for a knockout and want to see, you know, a war, you know.

Ocho (10:39)

Yeah, I think that's what they wanted to see, Ocho. And I think the thing. I think the mistake that Max Holloway made, he fell into the trap that, you know what? Oliveira is going to come throw hands. The bms, we the baddest mofos on the planet. We're going to. Hey, it ain't going to be. No. It's not going to go to the cards. I don't want it to go to the cards.

Chad Ochocinco (10:56)

Right, right.

Ocho (10:57)

I won't let. We decided.

Chad Ochocinco (10:59)

Right?

Ocho (10:59)

And, and, and. And the thing is, I'm not so sure that he practiced defending the takedown. Right? Because it looked like he had no answer. Now, he tried, like, rounds four and rounds three and four. He tried it for as long as he could, but Olivera still.

Chad Ochocinco (11:15)

Boom. Yeah.

Ocho (11:17)

Gotta be. Hey. And he couldn't. And that's the thing. Once they find out you can't stop the tape and you can't snuff, snuff out the takedown.

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Ocho (11:24)

What are they gonna do? And you can't get him up. He get on top of you, and you can't. You can't get him up. You can't get off the ground for four minutes. And I mean, each round was like three and a half, four minutes. Just. Just ride. Just ride, ride, ride, ride. I'm like, damn.

Chad Ochocinco (11:39)

And the funny thing, lady sitting next

Ocho (11:41)

to us like, oh, get off him. I was like, ma', am, I don't think that's gonna happen. You can get him up off it.

Chad Ochocinco (11:46)

And the funny thing about it, you have to understand also when someone's on top of you, you know, for that long, and you know how much energy you're exerting trying.

Ocho (11:53)

Yeah, trying to get him up off you. Yes.

Chad Ochocinco (11:55)

And not only that. Chris Oliveira beat Max Holloway at his game when he, when they were standing up for the few times they did exchange, hell, he landed 79% of his punches, lead number to the punches, his strikes, leading up into the goddamn fourth round. So he dominated. Not only standing up, striking, but he dominated him on the ground, too. So Max really had no, had no answer. I, I, I would, I would have hoped for a different game plan. I'm sure it's going to be a trilogy. I'm sure they got to fight. They got to fight again, Right?

Ocho (12:26)

You know, but Danny gonna say, look here, man, I ain't paying y' all no money to come down there and lay on the ground. Hey, hey, I come to see. I come to turn the light out the building. That's why you get the prize. You get fight of the night, and you get knockout tonight. And they get 25, $50,000 because that's what the fans want to see, man. Hey, they will boo your ass. Hey, look, you could. Hey, you could give them three, two rounds, right? Non stop action, Ocho. Yeah, but I tell you what, get your ass in the clinch and don't do nothing for like, 2, 10 seconds, 15 seconds. I was like, well, damn. Yeah, they just gave you ten. They just gave you ten and a half minutes of non stop action. Yeah, but those fans want to see blood. They want to see knockouts. They want to see somebody looking up at T Mobile, somebody looking up at ufc. That's what they want. I'm just telling you, right? I've been. I, I'm not gonna say I'm. I'm Joe Rogan or Daniel CRO, but I've been to enough of those fights, right? I know what the fans want to see, and they want to see blood. And, and what was that movie with Daniel Day Lewis, There Will Be Blood.

Chad Ochocinco (13:31)

There Will Be Blood.

Ocho (13:33)

That's what those fans want to see.

Chad Ochocinco (13:35)

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

Ocho (13:39)

But I thought. Ola, look, Oliveira, he. They look good. I mean, I thought, I thought it was a. It was. Well, I'm trying to think. The guy got knocked out, the brother got knocked out. I was like, damn, bro.

Chad Ochocinco (13:53)

Michael Johnson.

Ocho (13:54)

Yeah, Ocho, I watched that fight. He got. Hey, Got the fake with the right.

Chad Ochocinco (14:00)

That left came out of nowhere. Boom. Yep. I mean, listen, he was.

Ocho (14:04)

Rodriguez, Michael Johnson was doing really well

Chad Ochocinco (14:06)

up until that point too.

Ocho (14:08)

He was. The Falcons was doing really well. They was up 28,3. They were doing really well until they worked.

Chad Ochocinco (14:17)

Right.

Ocho (14:18)

And that is the thing about a fight. You can be doing really well. You can be leading round one, round five, round ten, and then somebody throw a shot that you don't see and it's over.

Chad Ochocinco (14:31)

You know what? At that level, when it comes to the elite, when it comes to the best of the best, obviously in the UFC and boxing as well, everybody has a punches chance.

Ocho (14:39)

Yes.

Chad Ochocinco (14:39)

Everybody has a punching chance.

Ocho (14:41)

Them light ass gloves.

Chad Ochocinco (14:42)

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

Ocho (14:44)

You damn near. Oh, Joe, you damn near bare knuckle, to be honest. Yeah. Them only four ounce gloves, basically.

Chad Ochocinco (14:49)

Yep.

Ocho (14:50)

So basically you got an isotone on your hand. That's basically. It's. So when you hear something, like I said, man made a hit old boy in the jaw.

Chad Ochocinco (14:59)

Yeah.

Ocho (14:59)

Just like the dude. That was one punch. Rodriguez went straight down the pipe bow.

Chad Ochocinco (15:03)

He was done.

Ocho (15:06)

Dude. Hey, dude. Switched to southpaw. And as soon as we switched the southpaw. Sh.

Chad Ochocinco (15:12)

It was a rap. It was a rap.

Ocho (15:16)

And he was looking and he ain't even, he ain't even hit him again. Oh, he could have. Yeah. Cause you see a lot of times they hit him and then they come with a big boom. He's like, nah, I'm good. I'mma let you. I'm gonna let you. I'm gonna let you live to see another day. But just know I had something for you. Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco (15:31)

Hey, I mean, that's, that's, that's messed up. And you got to be careful too. All that, all that switch, switch. Switching stances. You, when you, when you do that, if you're comfortable at one stance, you know where you're vulnerable, if you're going to switch to southpaw or you're doing unorthodox, you got to know where, where your weaknesses are.

Ocho (15:48)

Yes.

Chad Ochocinco (15:49)

And obviously switching like that, I know it's cool to be able to do it, but you don't understand. It looks better. You, you had a disadvantage in certain areas.

Ocho (15:58)

And the thing is if, if you're not used to. First of all, there are very few men that fight orthodox can jump into a southpaw stand. Yeah. You're not Bud Crawford.

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Yeah.

Ocho (16:10)

They're very few. Stay in your orthodox and, and, and make that work. So what you did, you left, you. You made yourself vulnerable.

Chad Ochocinco (16:18)

Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, bro, yes, it's crazy. It's crazy.

Ocho (16:24)

But I was. I am not gonna lie, Ocho. Considering. Because even. Even the fight before that, that was action. I mean, nobody got knocked out or got submitted, but there was action.

Chad Ochocinco (16:33)

Yeah, they. They were. They were going.

Ocho (16:35)

And I was like, oh, man. Oliveira Holloway. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody.

Chad Ochocinco (16:40)

You thought you're gonna get something nice, huh? Fireworks.

Ocho (16:43)

Hey, the doctor's coming in the ring and somebody gonna put ice on somebody back. You all right? You know. You know where you are. They're gonna be asking a bunch of questions. You. That's what I was expecting in the Holloway Oliveira fight. Yeah, we didn't get that. Nah. Congratulations, Oliveira. He won the fight. I'm not. Look, when you go back, if you study fighting, most great fighters came from very impoverished conditions. You look at that. You look at those Brazilians.

Chad Ochocinco (17:09)

Yes.

Ocho (17:10)

They come from the favela.

Chad Ochocinco (17:11)

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Ocho (17:12)

You look at a guy like Conor McGregor, he from. From the Streets Together of Ireland. You look at the Russians, they ain't getting no college scholarship. They got to fight. And so when you come up having to fight, you know how to fight.

Chad Ochocinco (17:28)

Yes, sir.

Ocho (17:30)

I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but for the most part, when you look at fighters, boxers, ufc, whatever the case may be, look at their background.

Chad Ochocinco (17:37)

Yeah.

Ocho (17:38)

I guarantee you they ain't come from no silver spoon.

Chad Ochocinco (17:42)

You know what's funny? And it's not just ufc. You think about football. Everyone has a story. Everyone has a background.

Ocho (17:47)

Yes.

Chad Ochocinco (17:48)

Most of them depending on high percentage soccer players. You know, I mean, basketball. No, that's our ticket out. That is our way out.

Ocho (17:57)

Yeah. Ain't no. Ain't too many 2 car, 3 car, full car garage, using the fight. Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco (18:07)

Very small.

Ocho (18:08)

No, no, no, no. You ain't getting in that sport. That ain't. That ain't no sport.

Commercial Announcer (18:11)

It.

Ocho (18:12)

If you had a nice cushy life.

Chad Ochocinco (18:13)

Yeah.

Ocho (18:14)

That you get into.

Chad Ochocinco (18:15)

Right. Unless you just got the love fighting.

Ocho (18:20)

Not with no four car garage. I'm going up. I don't love it that much. A three car. Hell, a single car. Garage, somebody. Hey. Garage.

Chad Ochocinco (18:28)

Yeah.

Ocho (18:29)

Park that damn car. Put in the shade tree.

Chad Ochocinco (18:31)

Yeah.

Ocho (18:32)

Get out, walk in the house. It was no garage.

Chad Ochocinco (18:34)

Hey, you knew. You ever been to Brazil? You ever been to the favelas?

Ocho (18:38)

I have not been to the favelas, man. I've seen, you know, obviously seen documentaries of it and see how it was. And they tell the story how Michael Jackson wanted to film.

Chad Ochocinco (18:51)

Yeah.

Ocho (18:52)

I don't really know about. They don't really care about us. Yeah, I think that was the name of the song.

Chad Ochocinco (18:56)

Yeah.

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Ocho (18:57)

And the. The government wouldn't. You couldn't get clearance.

Chad Ochocinco (19:02)

He had to get permission. He had to get permission from the date.

Ocho (19:05)

Yeah, we got it.

Chad Ochocinco (19:07)

Yeah.

Ocho (19:08)

Ain't nobody.

Chad Ochocinco (19:09)

Hey nobody.

Ocho (19:11)

He was the safest man in Brazil.

Chad Ochocinco (19:13)

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Ocho (19:15)

But like I said, you look at. You look at Khabib, you look at the Dagestanian from Russia, and you look at these. Hey, bro, when you got a. You got a. A empty stomach, an empty back pocket, and a broken heart, you fight your ass off. Yeah, you fight your ass off. But like I said, I know I would have expected Oliveira put on the clinic. Ocho, I know you want to see us throw for 500 yards, but they can't stop the run, right?

Chad Ochocinco (19:45)

There you go.

Ocho (19:46)

That's what I used to tell them all the time, bro. I promise you, if y' all stop TD, we'll throw the ball. But if you don't stop TD, he getting 5, 6, 7 yards of carry. What's the incentive that we have to throw it?

Chad Ochocinco (19:58)

Throw it.

Ocho (19:58)

When you can't stop, we can just turn around and hand it to him, and he getting 15, 20 yards of clip y. So what's the incentive for us to drop back to throw it where your ball might get tipped, somebody might miss a protection and get John hit in the back of the head.

Chad Ochocinco (20:11)

Now. Now, also tonight, for those that are watching, those that wanted to see fireworks, the only way we would have gotten fireworks if Max Holloway had a counter for being taken down. If you were able to stop being taken down, then we can make it. We can. We can make it a fight where we got to stand up now. Now we got to throw. But he had no answer for it.

Ocho (20:33)

Well, the thing is, he's got. He's got to be able to snuff the takedown. Once, he couldn't snuff that. So what was his counter? He couldn't get. He couldn't fight off. He couldn't get off the ground. He couldn't get off his back. No, once. That. Once. Once Oliveira got him on the mat.

Chad Ochocinco (20:47)

Yeah.

Ocho (20:48)

He could not get up for the rest of the fight. So if he took him down with three and a half minutes, he took him down with four minutes. The fight stayed on the mat for the final three and a half, four

Chad Ochocinco (20:56)

minutes the whole time. Yeah.

Ocho (21:00)

I'm sure that's not how he wanted it to end, I can assure you. Probably Max Holloway would probably Prefer to been knocked out than to have it end like this.

Chad Ochocinco (21:07)

Like this, probably.

Ocho (21:09)

So either.

Chad Ochocinco (21:10)

Either that or submitted.

Ocho (21:12)

But hell, yeah, hell, I thought he. He tried. He tried. I thought he had it in. In the first. He couldn't. He couldn't get it deep enough.

Chad Ochocinco (21:19)

Yeah, his defense was very good. His defense on the ground was very good. You know, he took a few shots on the ground, but as far as being, you know, being able to maneuver and using his hands really well to make sure he wasn't submitted. He was. He did. He was. I mean, listen, he did it really well. And it's for one, for us to be saying what we wanted to see, but actually being in there and having a fight is two different things. It's two different things, you know, when you're under fire. So us saying this is what you should have done, you know, but yes,

Ocho (21:47)

I mean, we ain't in there. Oo, what do fans say when they lose a game? You should have been running it. You should have blitzed. You should have did this. It's easy to say that after the fact.

Chad Ochocinco (22:00)

Yeah, yeah. Oh, man.

Ocho (22:06)

Give. Give Oliver's credit. He the. The bmf, and so it's gonna be interesting to see what's next on his card.

Chad Ochocinco (22:15)

I'm just getting ready to ask you that. What's next?

Ocho (22:19)

So he in the 155. So that's what, lightweight.

Chad Ochocinco (22:24)

What about. What about. What does Ilya fight at?

Ocho (22:28)

Support might be 155.

Chad Ochocinco (22:31)

That'd be a good one.

Ocho (22:33)

Hey, now, he definitely got dynamite in his hands. He definitely got dynamite in his hands.

Chad Ochocinco (22:40)

Yeah, that'd be a good one. As long as he got it. I mean, I'm sure illy. I don't know much about Ilia's style and what he does. I mean, is he good at. Is he good at the ground game that I know he can strike?

Ocho (22:50)

I ain't never seen him, I think. Didn't Ilia knock? Hold on. So somebody knocked Oliveira out. Who knocked him out? Somebody knocked him out. Was it vocal? Now Ilya can fight. He let them hands go. I was hope. You know what I was hoping for a guy. I was hoping for a chat. Ocho. I was hoping for him, you know, Max, Holloway and Oliver, because he said, if you called me to. Oliveira said, if you call me to the center, I'm gonna come and we're gonna let these hands fly. So I was hoping.

Chad Ochocinco (23:25)

But hold on. He called him to the center with 20 seconds ago in the goddamn fight. He let him. He let him get up Obviously, when they got off the ground and he.

Ocho (23:33)

And he.

Chad Ochocinco (23:34)

He caught him. He caught him again. Okay, Oliveira caught him again.

Ocho (23:38)

Yeah, yeah. Ilya knocked out Olive Oliveira.

Chad Ochocinco (23:42)

Jose, they fought already. Okay, Okay.

Ocho (23:46)

I know somebody had knocked him out. I mean, he. He got hands. No, he really. He really, really, really got hands.

Chad Ochocinco (23:54)

Oh. Yeah.

Ocho (23:57)

But I'm trying to think who's. Who's the. Who is the fight that people want to see mean? They. They introduced the card that's going to be at the White House that's gonna fight.

Chad Ochocinco (24:05)

Yeah.

Ocho (24:05)

June 14th. I don't know what it's called. America 250 is the celebrating anniversary of. I'm not. I'm not sure. I'm not sure what they're gonna call this card. I know it's the celebration of, uh, the, uh, uh, America birthday of 250 years. But it's gonna be. It's gonna be, you know, Gaichi and Tempore fight.

Chad Ochocinco (24:30)

That's. That's the main event, right?

Ocho (24:32)

That's the main event. Piera and Cyril gone, fight. So they got. They got a nice card. I was. I was hoping to see Jon Jones on there.

Chad Ochocinco (24:41)

Is it too late? It's too late, huh?

Ocho (24:42)

Yeah, it's too late. They don't set the card now.

Chad Ochocinco (24:45)

Damn.

Ocho (24:46)

They got it. They don't set the car. I think the thing is, it plus the last thing you want to have happen is something, you know, they sent Johnny and then Johnny F the card up, so.

Chad Ochocinco (24:56)

Right. Right.

Ocho (24:58)

I think Dana. I think Dana's like, you know what? Let's go over the sure thing. Let's.

Chad Ochocinco (25:03)

Let's.

Ocho (25:04)

We know these guys are going to be where they supposed to be and do it.

Julian Edelman (25:07)

This is Julian Edelman from Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jewels. All right, real quick, take a look at yourself right now.

Commercial Announcer (25:13)

Why?

Chad Ochocinco (25:13)

What's wrong?

Julian Edelman (25:14)

Nothing's wrong. You look like a guy running on three hours of sleep and vibes.

Ocho (25:19)

Okay. Yeah, I'm tired, kind of cranky, and very thirsty.

Julian Edelman (25:23)

Congrats. Those are some of the potential signs of mild dehydration. And I bet your last bathroom break showed you another sign your body might be throwing you a penalty flag.

Commercial Announcer (25:35)

So what's the play?

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Ocho (25:54)

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Ocho (29:26)

won every round when he fought Deridder tonight. Now he wants the plessy.

Chad Ochocinco (29:31)

The Plessy. Oh, he did call the plessy out. I couldn't understand. I couldn't understand.

Ocho (29:35)

Hey, dude, throw hard too, man. He was bad that Joe was throwing. I was like, damn. I mean, he was. I mean, every punch he throws, he throws with intent of knocking somebody out.

Chad Ochocinco (29:46)

Yeah,

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every.

Ocho (29:50)

Every last one of them. And he like, he's a big dude because as we were leaving, he was in the hallway. Yeah, yeah. Wait, I understand he made weight at what, 185 and eight. 186. But after refuel, right? Probably 195. Close to two, easy. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, you. Look, I, I think the thing is we kind of get spoiled because there's something about a knockout. It's like boxing. Now if you go get. If you give me, if you give me. 10 rounds, 12 rounds of non stop action, you don't know. I can live with that. Right? But man, that, that.

Chad Ochocinco (30:40)

Punches, clinching and boxing.

Ocho (30:41)

Yeah, all that.

Chad Ochocinco (30:42)

Yeah, you clinch again and. Nah.

Ocho (30:45)

The men's banner weight, Raul Rojas Jr. Defeated Rob Font by unanimous decision. The 21 year old Rojas was dominant, recording 16 takedowns on his way to the biggest victory in his young career. The matchup was a big step up in competition for the youngest fighter in the UFC has ever signed. He's likely to be ranked, come back Monday. And took another positive step toward it. His goal of breaking Jon Jones's record as the youngest champion in UFC history. If I'm not mistaken, I think John was what, 21? He looked good. He looked good. I mean, he just like, bro. I mean, but Rojas was big. That man tall as hell.

Chad Ochocinco (31:30)

Yeah. Very tall.

Ocho (31:32)

Hell yeah. He a big ass, lightweight, abandoned weight. Damn. I mean, he tall, though. Po font. I'm like, damn. Oh, Jon Jones was 23 years, 243 days old.

Chad Ochocinco (31:49)

But, hey, John is the truth, man. He's the truth. I. I would. I would. I would love that. That would have been. That would have been. The White House card is already stacked. It's already nice, everybody. But just having Jon Jones a part of that White House card, I think it would. It would have been special.

Ocho (32:09)

But here's the thing. Who was. Who was he gonna fight? He wanted to fight Piera, who's fighting? Cyril.

Chad Ochocinco (32:16)

Gone. Right.

Ocho (32:18)

I think the thing that they wanted to have happen at an earlier time was him fighting. What's the. What's the. The guy that got hurt end up. He got an eye, Got his eye gouged out, and I forget his name, but that's the guy they wanted. That's what that. That's. That's the fight that Dana wanted to have. Oh, Tom Aspinall. Tom Aspinall. That's the fight that, you know. But then when you look at it and you look at how he was fighting against and John Joe's like, is that the guy that y' all thought could beat me? Did y' all see how I ran through him?

Chad Ochocinco (32:54)

Yeah.

Ocho (32:55)

And y' all thought that guy could beat me? Pieta. I mean, bro, a three division champ, something they've never had, but he. Big bad dog. I mean, he. I mean, what you think?

Chad Ochocinco (33:11)

What you think they weigh about, what, two, something?

Ocho (33:13)

Well, I mean, 185, 205. And you can't be more than 265 as a heavyweight.

Chad Ochocinco (33:20)

Okay?

Ocho (33:21)

So, I mean, for him to. To get down to 185. He was killing himself to get down to 185. Because he's a big man. He's a big man. Would I be surprised that he walked around at 220? Nope. I wouldn't. I would not be surprised. I would not be surprised if he walked around at 220. Gonna be interesting fight. God is getting better. He's getting better.

Chad Ochocinco (33:49)

Yeah. You. You going. You going to the White House card?

Ocho (33:53)

I don't know. I don't know, man. You know, everything will be so Damn expensive in D.C. ocho.

Chad Ochocinco (34:00)

But hold on, wait a minute now. Not for you. You just went to the fight tonight.

Ocho (34:06)

The fighting at the hotel, the Whole. The fight at the flights.

Chad Ochocinco (34:11)

I mean, a flight to D.C. that ain't number, but you can get a flight for like 150. Okay. They didn't get your ticket, so boom. That. That. That knocks everything out.

Ocho (34:24)

Hotels, man, them hotels, man, they. They rake you over the coals.

Chad Ochocinco (34:28)

You never tried extended stay. You ever been there before? Yeah, extend the. Say, got kitchen, refrigerator, microwave.

Ocho (34:37)

I want my. I want my kitchen to be. I want my kitchen to be downstairs and to bring it up to my room. That's why. That's why I want my kitchen.

Chad Ochocinco (34:47)

Yeah, I'm just trying to get you places that's very. That's inexpensive, you know, quick, or maybe an Airbnb. You probably. You get off cheaper with that.

Ocho (34:58)

No, I don't want to be. I don't want to sleep in nobody else house. I don't. I don't. Oh. Oh, yeah. Lightweight Drew Dover defeated Michael Johnson via KO Punch, 153, around 2. Gregory Rodriguez defeated Bruno Fiera via knockout, one punch, 147, round one. See, that would. I just think the thing is, like, the UFC has gotten people spoiled so much because, you know, dynamite, good things normally happen on show. Somebody normally goes to sleep, somebody get choked out. You know, rear naked guillotine. Armbar. Try something, submit. Something happens that you like. Damn, that must have been pretty bad. You made somebody tap out, Made somebody call you uncle. Because I would tap out here, say, okay, call me uncle. Yeah, and I'll let you go.

Chad Ochocinco (35:51)

But. But also, you know what else people have to remember, too, when it comes to better fighters, when it comes to fighters that are a little bit more skilled, a little bit more technical, you know, the margin for error is very small. Yes, you can get slept, or you can get some. You could get submitted so that most of the time, they're very careful on when they take their chances and that they're safe. I mean, tonight you saw within the last fight. You know what? I'm gonna play it safe. I'm gonna do what he doesn't do. Well, I'm gonna take round, and that's how I'm gonna win the fight, whether people boo or not. That was Oliveira's plan.

Ocho (36:26)

Yes, it was. And you want me to change it? Make me change it. But why change it when it's working? Like I said, he came to. He came to win. I know what the BMF stand for. You slug it out. And guys that have held that belt, they slugged it out and knocked somebody out, but that was not Charles Oliveira's Plan. His plan was to take as little punishment as possible, take it to the mat. And knowing Holloway, that's not what Holloway is good at. Getting off his back and. And getting back to the center of the ring, that wasn't what he was good at. And it showed tonight. He was shut out. He. I don't. I. I wouldn't had him winning one round. No. Not one. He got dominated for five rounds.

Chad Ochocinco (37:07)

Yeah.

Ocho (37:08)

Yeah. And I was like. And even the last round, he ended up getting guard, and somehow what you call him ended up taking it right back.

Chad Ochocinco (37:17)

Yeah. Even. Even when. When they got back up. They got back up. He took Oliveira. Took him right back down.

Ocho (37:24)

Yeah. Probably most interesting fight of the preliminary. Car with Kobe Gabhart against Zhao Yong via unanimous decision. Gaha ate several low blows in round three. The second one literally vomited in a bucket before the port was deducted from his opponent. Zhao Long lost another point when he landed the knee in the clinch below the belt soon after. I mean, man, he was killing that man, man. Wow. And. And the thing. You want to start a reaction on his face, don't you? He like, yeah, you did that, bro. I'm sorry. You got it. You got it.

Chad Ochocinco (38:05)

Y' all see? Got to be more.

Ocho (38:06)

I'm talking about one of them. He got him straight with his toe. I'm talking about, you know, normally try to kick with the side because you don't want to break.

Chad Ochocinco (38:11)

Yeah. He kick right.

Ocho (38:12)

Oh, my goodness.

Chad Ochocinco (38:14)

Yeah.

Ocho (38:17)

And, you know, they give you. They give you five minutes, and he was like, obviously, you don't want to take that kind of. Because people like, oh, it ain't take that long. It didn't hurt that bad. You ain't never been hit there.

Chad Ochocinco (38:26)

Yeah.

Ocho (38:27)

If you. If you have never been hit in your private.

Chad Ochocinco (38:30)

Yeah. Oh, it hurt. It hurt. Now let a kick.

Ocho (38:35)

What?

Chad Ochocinco (38:36)

Man, stop playing. It hurt.

Ocho (38:40)

Yeah. You feel like you look gay. I. I can't. You can't breathe. Somebody got a bag over your head, and every time you try to take a breath, they put another bag over your head. Man, that thing hurts so bad.

Chad Ochocinco (38:54)

Yes, it does.

Ocho (38:56)

But we had fun. I had fun. I had fun tonight. Got an opportunity. I was in the lounge for the. I got there too early. We got there too early. I got to. I got. I got to do a better job timing it.

Chad Ochocinco (39:08)

You was there for a long time before the fights even started, huh?

Ocho (39:11)

No, no, no, no. I got. I thought I was. I thought we was getting. I was like, okay, we get there next time. I ain't leaving My house until about 7. I want to see the last. I don't see, like, last four fights. That's it. So you.

Chad Ochocinco (39:24)

I mean, you was early. Like we was for the butt, the Bud and Canelo.

Ocho (39:28)

Yeah, not quite that early. Not quite that early.

Chad Ochocinco (39:31)

Yeah, we were. Well, we were early. That boy.

Ocho (39:34)

Yeah, man. Never again. Never no more. As a matter of fact, they might be. Hey, I might be riding. Hey, Bud might need him walking to the ring.

Chad Ochocinco (39:44)

And then you walk.

Ocho (39:45)

I'm gonna be walking in with it. Walking to the ring. Ocho, what'd you do tonight?

Chad Ochocinco (39:52)

Oh, man. But, you know, I'm back in Houston again.

Ocho (39:56)

What?

Chad Ochocinco (39:57)

Man? I'm back in Houston again, man. Listen, a certain individual. I don't want to say any names. Chat. Y' all stay with me real quick. A certain individual called me, you know, not panicking, but hoping I could do them a favor.

Ocho (40:11)

Okay.

Chad Ochocinco (40:11)

I say, well, cool. I could do you a favor. So I asked him what you need me to do. He said, I need you to be an efficient to my wedding. Did I say that right? An official efficient Tent. Efficient to my wedding.

Ocho (40:29)

I don't know what an efficient is.

Chad Ochocinco (40:31)

Official officiant. Okay. There it is.

Ocho (40:34)

Oh, yeah, yeah, that. Okay.

Chad Ochocinco (40:35)

An efficient. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Ocho (40:37)

Yeah. So you're gonna officially. You're gonna officiate the wedding.

Chad Ochocinco (40:40)

I was officiating the wedding. So I said, of course I'll come down. Just give me a flight, give me a room and. And I'll be an officiant for your wedding. I flew to Houston. I landed today. This was short notice. Now, he hit me two days ago, right? Boom. One day goes by, I fly in a day. I had a flight, 9 o' clock this morning. I landed when it got fitted for a tuxedo. Had them size everything, you know, together and whatever, Whatever. Boom. I missed rehearsal on Friday, so I had to. I had. I had my script. I had to memorize as much as I could. Got it there, you know. And by the powers invested in me, I now announce you. You know, you may kiss. You know.

Ocho (41:23)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco (41:25)

And I did my first wedding. So now, okay, that people in the chat. You're. Now open that. As you can see right there, chat. I. I'm. I'm licensed. I'm an ordained minister, and I'm a brother of the cloth, as I like to call it. I'm a brother of the cloth now. So anybody you know, anybody getting married and you need me to officiate your wedding?

Ocho (41:48)

Officiate?

Chad Ochocinco (41:50)

Officiate, yes.

Ocho (41:53)

The actual Process of is a. You officiate it. Like an official.

Chad Ochocinco (41:59)

Right, okay, officiate. There it is. But, but listen, anybody, Anybody's looking for someone to officiate their wedding, their nuptials or whatever, you want to renew your vows, I can do that as well. Also, I'm, I, I extend my services also for divorces as well, you know, so I'm here. You know how to reach me. I'll have a link in my bio by tomorrow. And yeah, I'm excited.

Ocho (42:25)

Isn't the rodeo going on in Houston?

Chad Ochocinco (42:27)

Yeah, yeah, Rodeo. Rodeo going on. Yeah, rodeo. Well, it's. It's storm and raining. It's storm and raining. I ain't go there. It's raining. Yeah, it was raining bad.

Ocho (42:37)

Yeah. Yeah. Nah, nah. Rodeo and rain don't go together. Mud now.

Chad Ochocinco (42:40)

That mud. Yeah, yeah, it was raining bad. But hey, hey.

Ocho (42:44)

But I can imagine they had them. They had some boots on. Boots.

Chad Ochocinco (42:48)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm. I'm sure they had. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure they had to. Yeah. But see my baby with me, so I wouldn't pay. I wasn't paying no mind.

Ocho (42:55)

Yeah, Yeah. I don't blame you. I don't blame you.

Chad Ochocinco (42:57)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ain't nothing, you know. Hey, hey. Right, right here. Tunnel vision, huh? Yeah, you know, like, like a horse in the Kentucky Derby. I had my blind.

Ocho (43:05)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I only see one way, straight ahead. That's it.

Ocho (43:10)

That's all. That's all you do. You must. You know. Where your eyes going, boy.

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Ocho (46:56)

The Ravens acquired Max Crosby from the Raiders in exchange for two first round picks. One in 2026, the other 14th pick in 2026 and a first round pick in 2027. Crosby, 28, a five time Pro Bowler, will be a game changer for the Ravens. He has 69 and a half sacks since 2019 is more than double that anyone has produced for Baltimore over that span. Nam Day Mad week leads the Ravens with 30 sacks since 2019. Ojo, do you believe this makes the Ravens contenders?

Chad Ochocinco (47:32)

You know what I want to look back to? I don't, I don't have the stats in front of me when it comes to the Baltimore Ravens defense. Since Lamar has gotten there, they've had some very good defenses. They've had some very good defenses. They've been normally ranked high. With the addition of Mac Crosby, he does improve them defensively. Yes, he does. Does it make them contenders? I can't say because I think the onus in them being contenders is really based on what Lamar Jackson does in the postseason. I, I think because they've had great, decent defenses before and off offensively they sputtered when it mattered most, you know, as collectively. Yes, sometimes.

Ocho (48:18)

Don't mention that. Let's not, let's not talk about that. Let's, let's, let's focus on the defense. I want the chat jumping in there, talking about we jumping on this right here. Let's talk about the defense. Right. Crosby, a lot of teams were stepping up. You know, you hear first, some, some teams were off in the first and a second, maybe a first or second and another pick, maybe the first this year and the second and a later round pick. But it was the Ravens. And the thing is like, hold on. We saw Micah went for two first rounders and a player.

Chad Ochocinco (48:49)

Yes.

Ocho (48:51)

Do you want him or don't you?

Chad Ochocinco (48:52)

Yeah, but Mike is a little bit younger now. Not a little bit. Maybe a lot, a lot bigger.

Ocho (48:57)

26 to 28.

Chad Ochocinco (48:58)

Okay. I mean, hey, that means a lot. Especially when it comes to business. Especially when it comes to picks. Especially when it comes to money. Oh, you, you know how to own this thing.

Ocho (49:06)

Yes, I do. To us.

Chad Ochocinco (49:07)

Oh, what's two years? But to them it's a lot because they think about Miles, wear and tear, all, all the, all this stuff. But Max Crosby brings something that the Ravens need very badly, especially on the defensive end of the ball. And now I feel bad for my quarterback because my quarterback, he has to deal with. Hold on. Now. Twice a year he got to deal with Miles Garrett. Twice a year he has to deal with T.J. watt.

Ocho (49:37)

Yep.

Chad Ochocinco (49:38)

Now you bring this animal, one of the better defensive players in the NFL, one of the better defensive ends in the NFL to the goddamn Ravens. Now he got to deal with like, Come on, man. Come on, man.

Ocho (49:53)

I think the thing that I like so much about Max Crosby, that he's a two way player.

Chad Ochocinco (49:57)

Yes.

Ocho (49:57)

To run and he plays the pass. Yes. He kind of reminds me, he doesn't rush the quarterback like this guy does, but I think he played the run better than this guy's done. Right. Jared Allen. Ah. Remember Jared Allen started with Kansas City. And then he goes, goes to Minnesota.

Chad Ochocinco (50:14)

Minnesota. Mr. Calf Rope him. Mr. Calf Rope him on every sack.

Ocho (50:18)

It kind of reminds me of him.

Chad Ochocinco (50:19)

Right.

Ocho (50:20)

But he plays the run very well. Better than Allen. But he can't get after the quarterback. Allen was, People don't. Allie could just flat out get after your quarterback.

Chad Ochocinco (50:30)

Yeah, yeah. I'm excited. I'm excited for the Ravens. This is, this is gonna be good for them. So I, I, I don't know what

Ocho (50:39)

you guys are doing. Help me understand you guys. Okay. You had Trey Hendricks, somebody said, you know what, they tried to make a trade for him last year. You hold on to him.

Chad Ochocinco (50:49)

Yeah.

Ocho (50:49)

Now you let him go free agent, you get nothing.

Chad Ochocinco (50:51)

Nothing for him. Yeah, yeah.

Ocho (50:53)

What sense does that make, Ocho, if, you know, if you know you're not going to sign it back. Ocho, you gotta let him go.

Chad Ochocinco (50:59)

Right.

Ocho (51:00)

I've got to trade you and get something for you.

Chad Ochocinco (51:03)

Yeah, yeah. While there's value there. Yes.

Ocho (51:07)

You let a man walk. You let the man walk in. His value wasn't going to get any higher. He's coming off back to back. Seventeen sacks. Seventeen and a half. Seventeen and a half sack. Back to back, back to back. He's all pro, so his value is not going to get any higher. You know, you're not about to give this man three, four years at 100 plus million dollars. That's not your, that's not what you guys do.

Chad Ochocinco (51:28)

Right.

Ocho (51:28)

Especially at the age of 30, 31. That's not what you do, Cincinnati. But you let it walk out the door and now you get nothing for it.

Chad Ochocinco (51:35)

Yeah. That's crazy. That's great. I, I don't understand. I've been and I, I don't want to rush the judgment just yet. Draft is coming off season. Acquisitions. You know, Trades still are going to be made, so I'm curious to see what moves.

Ocho (51:49)

That ain't what y' all do. Oh, y'. All. When the last time the Bengals traded.

Chad Ochocinco (51:53)

Hey, listen, hey, number nine put that pressure on. It's not about what we've never done. It's about what we need to do because number nine already sent that message out loud and clear last year. Loud. Loud and clear.

Ocho (52:08)

I know. But I tell you what. You know the Browns, Katie Blackburn as well as anybody. They do what the hell they want to do.

Chad Ochocinco (52:19)

They do. They do. But they never had is. They never had a quarterback that's this young who comes from winning. Everywhere he's been, he's done one thing and he's won. And he wants sure that winning is the same exact thing that they want to do in Cincinnati.

Ocho (52:38)

No, they want to make money.

Chad Ochocinco (52:40)

You need to continue to make certain moves that.

Ocho (52:43)

That.

Chad Ochocinco (52:43)

That aligns exactly with what Joe Burrow believes in.

Ocho (52:48)

The Bengals want to make money. Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco (52:51)

Yeah, I think. I think.

Ocho (52:53)

Let me ask. My thing is if I can make money by spending as little as possible, I choose that. Yeah, you got to spend money to be competitive.

Chad Ochocinco (53:05)

Yeah, you do.

Ocho (53:06)

You just do.

Chad Ochocinco (53:07)

You do.

Ocho (53:08)

Because guess what? The other teams around you are spending money, and it's already hard to get people. You got to pay to get someone to come to you. Ocho in free agency, you've got to overpay, because to get them to leave that situation that they're currently in, where they built up, they built. They're probably ingratiated themselves in the community. The wife is probably there, the kids are there. So things are, you know, you already ingratiate yourself in that surrounding. So to get me to leave that and to uproot my family, you're going to have to pay a premium. And in free agency, everybody knows you're going to have to overpay. You just do. That's why. Why you think a beer costs $40 at a damn game? Where else you gonna get it from? You can't run to the local corner store or the package shop and get it.

Chad Ochocinco (54:02)

Yeah, you're right.

Ocho (54:04)

You want to be able to watch the game. Okay, we'll pay $40.

Chad Ochocinco (54:11)

Damn.

Ocho (54:12)

So in free agency, these guys know, well, if you want me to come, you got to pay. Because guess what? If you don't, write down the roar wheel.

Chad Ochocinco (54:21)

Yeah, absolutely. We need. We need help bad, though.

Ocho (54:28)

You do. Over the last five years, OO Baltimore has blown an NFL worse 16 leads in the final five minutes a game. That's five more than any other team. Last season. The Ravens failed to hold two double digit leads in the fourth quarter. Remember Buffalo and New England?

Chad Ochocinco (54:48)

Yes.

Ocho (54:50)

Now one, look, that one against New England with Derrick Henry's running the football. And all of a sudden, you know, we gotta. We got a system in place.

Chad Ochocinco (54:58)

Yeah.

Ocho (54:58)

You know, Derek, it was. It was the other.

Chad Ochocinco (55:00)

They took him out. Stop handing the ball off to him. I don't know what that was about. Still don't make any sense to me. Makes no sense to me at all.

Ocho (55:16)

But hey, what do we know, Ocho? What do we know? And then lo and behold, they go out there and then they play Green Bay.

Chad Ochocinco (55:24)

Yeah.

Ocho (55:25)

They just hand the ball to him and he just run wild.

Chad Ochocinco (55:27)

Went crazy.

Ocho (55:28)

The second leading rusher, think about this. The second leading rusher.

Chad Ochocinco (55:32)

Wow.

Ocho (55:33)

When you tried, that's what you do, Ocho. You go double tight and you say, guess what? In the four minute drill, y' all not getting the ball back. All right, D. Hey, this why we got you. And you go put a scat back in there and you got a 250 pound bulldozer. Yeah,

Chad Ochocinco (55:54)

that nobody hold on. A 50. A 250 pound bulldozer that nobody wants to tackle once. Once he gets those pads going north, man, it's hell to deal with. Don't nobody want none of that.

Ocho (56:08)

It's. I. I don't get it. And like I said, everything is not for me to get chat and I'm sure. But I think the thing is, Chad, I don't think you guys got it either. I don't want to hear nothing because I'm trying to win a game. Sometimes when you're trying to win a game you like. Okay, I. I know how it's supposed to go. I know if you're supposed to be your time up. But your time will come next week. But it ain't gonna come now, right? Could Derek Henry finna get this ball? That's who's gonna get the ball. And that's what. That's why. That's why we tore his contract up and gave him more. Coming off the first season that he had here, he had over 1900 yards. And so. And he came back this year and almost had 1600. So Derek Henry had plenty of tread on the tire. I ain't worried about. Look here. I don't care if you don't play, but another year, I'm gonna run Derrick Henry and he gonna keep the clock moving. Y' all not getting the ball back, Patriots. And if you do get it back you're gonna have so little time, you ain't gonna be able to do ish with it. So hopefully they don't run into that problem again. But I like the move, I like them, I like this move that the Raven says, look, they're making a commitment to Lamar. They're going to give him big time money. He will be the highest paid quarterback in the NFL. I don't think they're done.

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Ocho (57:27)

The Ravens, if you go back and study the Ravens, they normally have success when they go get a player. If you look at free agency now, this was a trade. So this might, people chat, you might stay with me, you might look at this a little different, right? But if you go back and study them, 99, they're go get what, 90? I think it's 98.99. They're gonna get Michael McCrary and Rod Wilson in 2000. They go get me and Sam Adams. And then you start, you see, you get Derek Mason, you get Anquan Bolden, you get Steve Smith. You see what, you see the success that they have when they come, if the Ravens come get you, they've done their homework and they know. And the thing that I love, that I love most about them, be who you are. We don't need you to come here. We already know what we get.

Chad Ochocinco (58:14)

Right.

Ocho (58:15)

Be that you talk ish, talk ish. If you quiet, stay quiet, all we want you to do is play hard. That's it.

Chad Ochocinco (58:20)

Yeah, that's it. And you know, everyone, everyone that they, they've went and got has had success. Everyone they've gotten and listen, get going to get Max. They're going to have success. He makes Roquan.

Ocho (58:33)

Remember they made the trade for rope for Ro.

Chad Ochocinco (58:36)

Yeah, they, they, they, I said they need to impact players. You got one at each level. Now, obviously, Nate Wiggins, he gonna improve from last year?

Ocho (58:47)

I sure hope so.

Chad Ochocinco (58:48)

He's gonna improve from last year. I, I, I believe in him. I like Young Bull. He, he's nice. You got Roquan and now you have an impact player on your line. So you got, you got. Oh, I didn't mention Kyle Hamilton. I didn't mention Kyle Hamilton. The, the best, the best safety in the game right now. So you, you kind of set defensively with, with, with leaders at each, at, at, at each level.

Ocho (59:12)

Well, if, if, if Matabwe can come back and play at the level that we're used to seeing him play at and you got Crosby, I still would like. Hey, hey, I, I, I, I'm, I'M gonna boast. I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna try to get me a corner. I don't know what's gonna happen with Marlon Humphrey. I don't know if he's al for a restructure. I don't know if he's aligned to, to, to like get released. I don't know what's go. But they need, they need corners. They need corners. And I, I hope you're right. I just hope you're right that Nate Wiggins is going to get better.

Chad Ochocinco (59:41)

Yeah.

Ocho (59:42)

Because all I know, their two corners are top five in yards allowed.

Chad Ochocinco (59:46)

Well, hell, if, if you got them having to cover for 20 seconds, shoot me and you would be in the top five of yards allowed too, you know, so they, they, they, they got some help. They got some help because Max, Max gonna give. Max got a moat on him, boy.

Ocho (60:02)

Oh, yeah, man.

Chad Ochocinco (60:03)

Energizer Bunny.

Ocho (60:05)

Oh, yeah. But I think I, I, if, if I'm the Ravens. Look, and I know, look, I know Eric Dasta is running this, but don't think Isaac still don't have a presence in that building because he does. But when you look, they need a receiver. They need another receiver.

Chad Ochocinco (60:23)

I told you. I told you who.

Ocho (60:25)

You better go get a right guard too.

Chad Ochocinco (60:27)

I told you who going there.

Ocho (60:29)

Who?

Chad Ochocinco (60:30)

Steph. Steph gonna end up in Baltimore. Listen, when I. Listen, we was on the show, I don't know, a few, a few episodes ago, I said Mac Crosby was coming to the Ravens. Like I'm, I. Every time I say a player is going somewhere, it happens. I' ma say it here, and people might not like it.

Ocho (60:49)

Huh?

Chad Ochocinco (60:49)

A.J. brown is going to end up with the New England Patriots. I'm telling you ahead of time.

Ocho (60:57)

I just don't. I. Look, I, I like Steph, but Ocho, they need more. They don't need another possession receiver. They need a stud. Go get you a stud.

Chad Ochocinco (61:06)

Hold on. All the studs are taken. No disrespect. What stud can you go and get that's gonna come in and, and change everything right away?

Ocho (61:16)

I think I, I think there are some receipts. I think there will be some receivers available that'll, that'll be. Give them more bang for their buck than Stefan. That's all I'm saying.

Chad Ochocinco (61:24)

Oh, you know Stefan just coming off a thousand yard season, huh?

Ocho (61:28)

Nah, I don't think he had quite a th. But.

Chad Ochocinco (61:30)

Oh, he had, he had a thousand, huh?

Ocho (61:32)

He had a thousand.

Chad Ochocinco (61:33)

Yeah.

Ocho (61:36)

I just don't know. Oo. I just think you could do Better.

Chad Ochocinco (61:39)

Okay. Okay. I'm. I'm just. I'm just think I'm looking at the landscape of what's available. You said a stud. All the studs are number ones. They not available. Who's gonna come in there? And. And just instantly, yeah.

Ocho (61:55)

85 catches, a thousand 13 yards and four touchdowns.

Chad Ochocinco (61:58)

Yeah. You know, and, you know, over there in the wing, it's by committee. Every. Every week is a different receiver. You never know who it's gonna be.

Ocho (62:11)

Well, I think the thing is, I mean, I think the Patriots are trying to get a first round pick for AJ And I don't know. I don't know if they're going to be able to get that. They're going to probably have to get settled for a second.

Chad Ochocinco (62:30)

What you thinking AJ Is worthy of a first round pick on AJ Brown and what he's going to bring to your team and how he's going to help them offensively and what he can do. He can stretch the field when need be. He can run short routes, he can run idiot intermediate routes. He's hell to deal with. You have a great running game. He's worth that first round pick. That's just me. You got that? You got to have a stud.

Ocho (63:13)

You can't.

Chad Ochocinco (63:14)

You can't do it. What you have right now, I. I

Ocho (63:16)

think the thing is that. Okay, where. Who. New England. Cause okay, they got. So that'd be. Bro. AJ Would be one, and then you got booty.

Chad Ochocinco (63:30)

Booty. Matt Collins coming.

Ocho (63:33)

Matt Collins. But the.

Chad Ochocinco (63:36)

Douglas.

Ocho (63:37)

Douglas.

Chad Ochocinco (63:41)

That'd be. That'd be a nice little squad, man.

Ocho (63:47)

How old is A.J.

Chad Ochocinco (63:50)

oh, that's. That's a good question. I'm not sure

Ocho (63:54)

because, you know, Ocho, you start purchasing that 30, the price start dropping quick.

Chad Ochocinco (63:58)

Oh, yeah, yeah. They don't. They, they, they don't. They don't play about that.

Ocho (64:01)

They don't. Man.

Chad Ochocinco (64:02)

Think about that.

Ocho (64:04)

They like, man, like, I'm like, damn, 30 nice guys will play. Guys take better care of themselves now.

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They're.

Ocho (64:13)

They're more conditioned guys. I mean, you might have to readjust that. You might have to look at say like 33, 35. Oo.

Chad Ochocinco (64:20)

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's 28. He's 28.

Ocho (64:23)

28. Okay. Well, no, no, he good then.

Chad Ochocinco (64:25)

She very good.

Ocho (64:31)

Here's Max Crosby's goodbye to the Raiders.

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Ever since I've been here, man, I've had one goal and one mission that's become the best version of myself and help bring a championship back to the Raider organization. And I feel like I left, you know, everything I had on the table for this team. I've given my heart and soul and I feel like I let y' all down, man. Ever since day one, I've wanted to create and build a winner with the Raiders.

Chad Ochocinco (65:07)

I like that, huh? When you think about, when you think about the Las Vegas Raiders, I mean, they are Mack Crosby. Max Crosby is their identity. He has been since he showed up. He always has been. And he said it just right. He left it all out on the field. Everything he has with his play, forget the words that he just said. He showed it with his plate week in and week out. But again, it's a team game.

Ocho (65:34)

Yes.

Chad Ochocinco (65:35)

So he can't do it by himself.

Ocho (65:37)

No. He is the perfect Raider. He was the perfect Raider. Al would have loved him. Oh yeah, he's definitely Al's type of a guy. But they don't have anything now. It's being reported that they have a hundred plus million dollars in cap space.

Chad Ochocinco (66:01)

Oh, yeah.

Ocho (66:02)

And two first round picks this year. Remember, they traded Jacobe Myers, so I don't know what. I mean, what they got from Jacksonville? What they get a third or fourth for Jacoby Myers?

Chad Ochocinco (66:14)

Okay. I can't remember exactly, but they can make some good moves. Whatever move they, they got to be the right moves. Not just any moves. They got to. You got it. Got to be franchise changing, altering moves.

Ocho (66:31)

Yeah. Guys, we know Max wanted out. It's being reported, but everybody talking about, y' all just keep trying to put word. The man said he. What's he supposed to say? But insiders that had spoken to Max Crosby said he said he was done. Yeah, but like, like, oh, he said this, he said that. What is he supposed to say when he's currently still on the roster? The last thing I'm going to have y' all do is to try to avoid my contract or to try to get me for conduct detrimental to the team. Of course I'm going to say all the right things. Yeah. Privately, I've let it be known I want to be dealt.

Chad Ochocinco (67:08)

Yeah. I want to change.

Ocho (67:11)

I mean. And Clint played it perfectly. I've had a conversation with Max. Clearly we want him here, but we want those two first round picks for him though.

Chad Ochocinco (67:21)

Absolutely.

Ocho (67:22)

So I don't have, I don't have a problem with it. If you want to win now, they could turn the thing around quickly. A lot of Houston Texans, it's not that you have those picks. Who do you select with those picks? Yes. Well, if you get you a C.J. stroud or you get you a Will Anderson Jr. You get you a Nico Collins. You start drafting guys like that, it won't take you long at all. It won't take you long. Now you mess around and get your trey. Lance.

Chad Ochocinco (67:58)

Yeah. Hey, we know where the first pick is going. They're not trading back out of that. They're not giving that body, else it's gonna be.

Ocho (68:05)

They got. What do they got? So they got 1 and 14.

Chad Ochocinco (68:09)

Mendoza and I got the next Rob.

Ocho (68:11)

If there's somebody that you love, Ocho. Hey, you got all those picks, man. Hey, get good.

Chad Ochocinco (68:18)

Yeah.

Ocho (68:20)

You need some receivers. He gonna need somebody to throw the ball to. Somebody throw the damn ball, too.

Chad Ochocinco (68:25)

Well, you know. You know what I've said. But who I. Who? I want to go to Vegas.

Ocho (68:32)

I don't want to. Oh, oh.

Commercial Announcer (68:33)

Pick.

Chad Ochocinco (68:33)

Yeah, we. I don't want to piss off Macau, my cowboy fans.

Ocho (68:36)

You know I love y', all,

Chad Ochocinco (68:39)

but, you know, hey, you know, I have a question. Hey. Hey, Chad. Do you see any scenario, right? Think about this. I, I, it could be crazy. Could you see any scenario? Pick going to the Raiders, maybe CD going to the Raiders, or just those two not being together in Dallas. Do you see any scenario where that can happen?

Ocho (69:03)

No.

Chad Ochocinco (69:04)

Chat. What you think?

Ocho (69:05)

I think, I think Jerry loved. I think Jerry loves CD.

Chad Ochocinco (69:08)

Right? Right.

Ocho (69:11)

Recommended. He wanted CD. CD wanted. What number? DeAndre Hopkins. He wanted 10.

Chad Ochocinco (69:16)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ocho (69:17)

He was a D Hop fan. It was Jared said. Nah, nah. We really want you to have 88.

Chad Ochocinco (69:22)

Right? Right.

Ocho (69:23)

Cuz that what that signifies. Drew Pearson and D. Bryant. Irving.

Chad Ochocinco (69:27)

Yes.

Ocho (69:27)

And now you.

Chad Ochocinco (69:28)

Yeah, I just. I just. You know how this business is. You know how this business is. So I, I've been thinking about scenarios that can happen, and most of the time, they'll pull. They'll, they'll pull the wool over your eyes and, and do something strange that it might not make sense to us, but it makes sense to them because they're thinking long term.

Ocho (69:47)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco (69:48)

Not now.

Ocho (69:50)

Oh, Joe. The biggest reaction of the trade came from Jamar Chase. Let's listen to what Chase had to say. Joe just texted me. Ravens traded for Max Crosby.

Chad Ochocinco (70:03)

No, no,

Ocho (70:09)

no, brother.

Chad Ochocinco (70:11)

I'm highly pissed right now.

Ocho (70:13)

Oh, my God.

Chad Ochocinco (70:17)

Oh, my God.

Ocho (70:20)

How the do we let this go to the division, bro? Oh, my God, bro.

Chad Ochocinco (70:28)

Why the did we let this go to the division, bro?

Ocho (70:36)

Oh, my God.

Chad Ochocinco (70:40)

And in his. In Jamar Chase's reaction alone lets you know who Crosby is.

Ocho (70:48)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco (70:48)

The respect he has from other players.

Ocho (70:51)

Oh, Joe, you remember on the show at the Super Bowl.

Chad Ochocinco (70:54)

Yeah.

Ocho (70:54)

And he said Jeffrey Simmons and Max Crosby.

Chad Ochocinco (70:59)

Yeah.

Ocho (71:00)

He said if we get both of one of them, give us, let us get one of them. We like both of them, but if we get one of them.

Chad Ochocinco (71:06)

Yeah, it makes a difference.

Ocho (71:08)

I don't know if, if Simmons is available. I don't think so, but you never know. Ocho. Hey, but the question is, what y' all willing to give up for him?

Chad Ochocinco (71:18)

I mean, you have to, hey, you

Ocho (71:21)

gonna have to give up a first round pick. He was he the best get tackle in football?

Chad Ochocinco (71:24)

Yeah. I mean, is that, oh, you think

Ocho (71:26)

you about to get. What you think you about to get him?

Chad Ochocinco (71:28)

Yeah.

Ocho (71:29)

Comic book and an apple.

Chad Ochocinco (71:30)

No. Is that him and Chris Jones?

Ocho (71:32)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco (71:33)

But, you know, the, the, the Titans are building something special over there, so I, I, I doubt he is their identity similar to how Matt Crosby was with the Las Vegas Raiders. The Tennessee Titan. Jeffrey Simmons is the Tennessee Titans. He's that leader, he's that captain, he's that face of that franchise. Even though they have a quarterback that they just drafted in Cam Ward, you know, with the first pick, when you think Tennessee Titans, the first thing you think is Jeffrey Simmons.

Ocho (71:59)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco (71:59)

So I just don't see him going anywhere. He said it multiple times, but you never know.

Ocho (72:07)

You don't, you don't. Somebody might make them an offer they can't refuse.

Chad Ochocinco (72:14)

Yeah. And that, that's the only time it'll happen.

Ocho (72:16)

Yeah. But you can people just not finna get let you just have their best players. No, absolutely. You would have to give us some compensation. Draft picks high first rounders.

Chad Ochocinco (72:26)

Yes.

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