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Joe
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Joe
Joe put that say I ain't no Joe. Had that in him. I was like, I ain't know he had it either.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
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Joe
We good. Hey, what a quavo say straightening, scraping. That's greatness.
Ocho
Hey, what kind of straight do we got? Joe?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, I'm going to say, man, I'm glad you got that light, boy. Cause you were blending in with that wall back there.
Joe
He said, you'll see what kind of straightening with when he see you.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
There you go.
Joe
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Joe
Number 11 seed, the VC man erased the 19 point deficit to stun the 6th seeded North Carolina Tar Heels by the score of 82 78. In overtime the Rams pulled off the 6th biggest comeback in tournament history. The second largest second half comeback behind Nevada 22 point rally against Cincinnati in 2018. For the third time in the last four seasons, the Tar Heels have failed to reach the round of 32 under Hubert Davis. Hubert Davis biggest blown lead. He had a 15 point lead his first year at Carolina. Joe and Ocho in the national championship game. He called that up in 2023. He missed it in 2024. Number one CD lost in this week. 16, 2025 first round loss, 2026 first round loss and the first round loss this year after having a 19 point lead. I hate saying this Joe, I really do, but after watching what Hubert Davis, I mean they went out early in the ACC tournament, lost Clemson, they lose in the first round of having, after having a 19 point lead and it's continue, it's a continuation. And watch him sit on the sideline and make no adjustment. Yeah, because if you watch Hill Jr. He gets it going. They don't trap him, they don't blitz him, they don't do anything to get the ball out of his hand and they let him continuously play one on one. That's on the coach. What did, how did, how did VCU get back into this game and ultimately win this game in overtime?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
ISO I think you know, when they got down, you know, I mean you can look at it like the last game. You want to, you know, you want to scratch and cloud. Just stay in the game or get back in the game. Okay. OO he junior got it going and honestly this really don't surprise me. Un oo because North Carolina's best player, Caleb Wilson, he's done for the season. NBA's draft, you know what I mean?
Joe
Yeah, I would give you that.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I Would see athletic from Atlanta, Georgia.
Joe
Which one?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Caleb Wilson.
Joe
Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So he broke his.
Joe
He broke. Yeah, he had a. He had a hand injury, then he ended up tearing a thumb ligament, Right? Yeah, for this.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So that's why I'm saying that's 20 and 10. You can't, you can't make that up.
Joe
Yeah, I would concede that to you. I would concede that to you. But guess what? They had a 19 point lead without their 611. Great player. That's going to be a lottery pick. So they build a lead without him. You can't say, well, if they'd have had him because they had a 19 point lead in the second half without him. Go ahead.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, they clearly couldn't sustain it. They clearly saying it. I'm saying like bcu. Hey, they. They crawled back in their game, bro. It was. It was impressive to watch. But yeah, I mean, North Carolina got great contribution from guys to win the game. Obviously they love the team, but without Kayla, man, I just kind of. I ain't even lie to you, uncle. I ain't really been paying attention to no Char Heels because I know they ain't gonna go far.
Joe
Yeah. For me, Joe, is that you see a guy heating up, that's rule number one. Get the ball out of his hands. Why would you continuously let him play one on one when he's beating you, he's beating you off the dribble. He's getting to his spots, he's hitting the threes, and you still do absolutely nothing to get the ball out of his hands. I can see if we get trapped him, Joe and Ocho and other guys start to heat up, then we're going to have to make adjustments accordingly and maybe we'll have to play this thing straight up. But to make no adjustment, Hubert Davis made no adjustment. He continues to let Hill Jr play one on one and it got him beat. He had 11 in the first half. So he like, damn. Because he kept a minute in the first half and then when they got down, he got. Now he got 16. Now he got. I was like, bro. And when he got one on one with that big and hit that step back, I said, that's good. I say it's over.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, once you give a team confidence, give him some life. Okay, Ocho. It's a rap. It's a rap. It's hard to turn. It's hard to turn a team down. Once they get rolling, once they get steamrolling. That's what happened with vcu they confidence was through the roof.
Joe
Go ahead, Ocho.
Ocho
Now I'm gonna say the target game, I couldn't get it out here. Where I was in New York, byu, Texas, Kennesaw State and Gonzaga were the two games I was able to watch. I wasn't able to see that one based on where I was, based on my location out here.
Joe
But if you look, I mean, a 19 point lead.
Wilmer Valderrama / Umar Valderrama
Yeah.
Joe
Joe Ocho as a six seed.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
But like I said, and I don't advocate, but I just think I just. There's no question in my mind they can get somebody better than Hubert Davis at uncle. That's still a premium program. That's a blue blood.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah.
Joe
It's like somebody going to Oklahoma. That's like somebody going to Ohio State. That's like Alabama. That's Michigan, that's usc. That is a pre. Joe. That is a premium program.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
And for. And for them to be floundering around and losing in the sweet 16, not even getting to this. Not even getting to the sweet 16, not even making out of the round of 32, that's unacceptable. For that. Yeah. For that program, for that institution, that. That is unacceptable.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah.
Joe
Because it's too.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They. Too prestige.
Joe
They not gonna.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They not gonna let that continue to go on.
Ocho
Hey, hey. Joe and uncle Listen, as prestigious as they are, the history that North Carolina has, and you saying him not making adjustments necessary in game, what if he doesn't have the players to make those adjustments? Even though you up 19? What if he understands that if I make adjustments, it can. It's gonna put my players in certain spots with them being exposed based on who we're playing.
Joe
You got up 19.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
You got up 19.
Ocho
Hold on.
Joe
So how did you do that?
Ocho
Hold on. Stay with me real quick.
Joe
Yes, I'm here.
Ocho
Hold on. You got up 19 early in the game, right, Joe?
Joe
No, it was in the second half.
Ocho
Okay. Okay. In the second half. So when the other team, the opposing team makes certain adjustments that you need to based on what you're doing. So you can't go up 19 and they find a way to call their way back into the game.
Joe
Yes.
Ocho
Then what do you do?
Joe
You make. You get the ball out of the hot guy's hand. It's just like a receiver. If you going off, what did they do? They. They double you. They're gonna make. We're gonna make you throw the ball to Chris Henry, rest his soul. We're gonna make you throw the ball to TJ Hooch Manzada. We're gonna make you check it down. But I'll be damned if we're gonna let OO play one on one out here. He's already got a buck 50, and we're not trying to let him get 250. That's what you do. It's simple, right? The hot man basketball. Joe, you see this all. Joe, you know this better than anybody because you played the game at an elite level. A hot guy, they coming with the trap.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
They gotta get the ball out of your hand.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree with you. When. When you get a guy who get it going like that, you gotta try to turn his water off. You gotta send two throwing my real. Throw them off rhythm, you know, make him give it up a few possessions, then let him get. Yes, but yeah, I agree with you. They didn't make no adjustments. And this is what you get. You know, when we out there competing, bro, it's hard for cats to really be like, hey man, come on, switch. Let me get him for a minute, you know, I mean, he tying you up. Hey, that pride kick is get. He just stole a few. He like, damn. Then I got him, I got him, I got him.
Joe
And we saw this tonight with Luca. They let Luca play one on one. I don't know what Spo was thinking. You just saw your guy score 83 less than a week ago. Yeah, so you mean to tell me you gonna let Luca play one on one? All he was doing is calling for the high pick. Okay? He go, hey, he get a. What's the one they got? They just got from the Clippers. They traded from the Clippers. I Forget it. Norman Powell.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah,
Joe
I mean step back after step back after step back.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
When he go to making that. When he tell you when he making that, bro? I'm talking about as deep as he shoot. He can shoot it with a hand in his face, man. 60 points, bro.
Joe
60.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Look where the game at, fellas. Look at the scoring. That's why, you know, this is what people want to see. They want to see these dudes put up these type numbers, man. 60.
Joe
But I just. It's going to be considering O. Joe and Joe.
Ocho
Yeah.
Joe
Considering who North Carolina is. It's going to be hard for Hubert Davis to go in there and convince the alumni, the boosters and the president that he should remain in this role given. Bro, look at the. Come on, man. That's. That's Carolina. That's Carolina. That's Coach Smith.
Ocho
That's Roy Best play out.
Joe
You had a 19 point ocho. That's like, not there. You got a 24 point lead. And then how do you go to the media and say, well, we couldn't. Well, you know, we was missing Carson. Well, you didn't have Carson when you built the 24 point lead.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
So what'd you do? So what, so what happened? Yeah, so you can't. If, if you, if you lose this game, if you're. If it's nipping tuck, I can give you that. If you get blown out, I can give you. We don't have our best player. But you didn't have your best player and you built a 19 point lead.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
So now you can't use we didn't have our best player argument. The reason why you lost the game. You lost the game because when one team made the adjustments to cool you off, you didn't make the adjustments to get cool their best player off.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Yeah.
Joe
There has to be if, like, okay, a chance. When you play in chess, okay, you got moves, but you got. Okay, if you see where he's going, you've got the counter moves. You got the counter. You just can't keep going the same course of action. And that's what Hubert Davis did. He didn't make any adjustments. He rarely make any adjustments.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, I, I wonder, I wonder what his recruiting class looks like. I think that, that'll probably determine a lot too. You know what I'm saying? If do.
Joe
Do.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Is he. Does he have any top guys who've committed to North Carolina?
Joe
More, more, more time than not, the one and dones, they go into Duke first and foremost. Now you see Coke, Cal. You see Cal getting a bunch of them. Now at Arkansas where he. It was basically Duke and Carol, Duke and Kentucky.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
For all the one and done. Yeah, they were getting all the one and done. So if there were 12 one and done, those two teams had 10 of them.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
Kansas might have got one, and then somebody else got arbitrarily happy.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Yeah, right.
Ocho
You know what he need, though?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Huh?
Joe
Huh?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What's that?
Ocho
Instead of finding Joe, he need to go to the boosters, go to whoever's in positions of power. I need a little bit more money to get the players. We need to, to be able to compete in these tournaments.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's why.
Joe
But here's the thing. Ocho and Joe, do you believe he can get you ready for the NFL? Because when they go to Ohio State, what does the track record show? Those receivers go to the NFL. Those D linemen go to the NFL. Those offensive linemen go to the NFL. Those linebackers go to the NFL when you go to Bama. So you go into some arbitrary school. Can he get me ready to go play in the NFL? Can they get me go ready to go play in the NBA? Because that's all I'm stopping off. Yeah. I'm going to class the first semester after, after Christmas. I ain't going back to class no more.
Ocho
Hey, hey, hey. You know what too, we know what's funny too think about it too. You look at some of these players that go to the Alabamas, especially when it comes to football. When they go to the Alabamas, they go to the Ohio states. They already prepped and NFL ready. Going to the right institution.
Joe
Yes.
Ocho
Fine tune all the other things and attributes that you need to be able to get to that next level. North Carolina is that type of program. All it is is about how do I attract the players that can be NBA ready or that, that are. Can, can be prepped for the NBA. How do I get them to come here? If we understand how college is now with the nil money, hell, what's the one way to get them? You got to pay him. You got to pay to play winning. Now, whether it's college, I mean whether it's football or basketball, it's money talks. This is the business now. This ain't like college in the old days. We not going to North Carolina just because Michael Jordan went there.
Joe
Yeah.
Ocho
Just because some of the other prestige players that, that played the NBA went there.
Joe
Yeah.
Ocho
No, we trying to get to that bag.
Joe
Hey, listen, go ahead.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I think even when you look at coach Kyle's situation, Uncle Ocho at the University of Arkansas, you know, he catered, he catered to the players. He let you know, man, I'm only playing. I'm only playing seven guys. I'm only playing seven guys. Uncle Ocho, you're telling that. Yeah, that's what he telling them. Yeah, he tell him, I'm only playing seven guys. This is how it's gonna go. So you got, you know, you got a real understanding. You respect a coach, man, who could be straightforward with you like that. You know what I mean? And he's like the portal. He's like the segue to the NBA for guards, bro. He got, he got. I mean, he gonna have two guards go to the league this year.
Joe
Yeah, yeah. I think the thing is, Ocho, is that if you look at Carolina's history, they haven't had a whole lot. They haven't basically since Roy left, they haven't had that cavalcade of guys going to the NBA, they've been Duke because you see the Brandon Ingrams, you see the Jason Tatums, you see the Zion Williamson, you see the Cooper flag, the Con canopy, you see the Jalen Johnson's, you see boom, boom, boom. Well, that's where I'm going. You saw this with Alabama, you see this with Ohio State, that's where I'm going. We understand what used to be Oklahoma doesn't get the same level of player that they once did. Yeah, USC doesn't get the same level of player they once did. So in my process, I'm thinking, okay, Joe, if Ocho, I can get a million dollars to go here, or let's just say 500,000. I get 500,000 to go here, I get 500,000 to go to Duke, or I can get 600,000 to go to North Carolina. Where am I going?
Ocho
Duke.
Joe
Exactly.
Ocho
Yeah.
Joe
So unless the money is just astronomical. Yeah, now you're talking about. Okay, 500, 000 versus a million, that's something that. But a hundred thousand dollars. And I know what Duke's track record is. Zion Williamson, number one overall draft pick. Brandon Ingram, number two pick, Jason Tatum, number three pick, Cooper flag, number one overall. Conking up top, top six, top five, top six. I see Jalen Johnson, I see all these guys year after year after year after year. I see RJ Barrett, I see Cam Reddish. Nah, bro, I'm good. I'm just being honest.
Ocho
Look, what you just said, right, so what you understanding that, right? You still want to give coach a little grace and understanding that I'm not getting the players, I need to be able to compete because all everybody going to other places because the money is better.
Joe
He can't attract them. See, it's. He can't attract them. That's a problem in and of itself too.
Ocho
Yes, sir.
Joe
I don't care what type of club. Gotta be relatable to these. If you, if you want the high roller to come, what you gotta have,
Ocho
Ocho, they gotta have that money, boy,
Joe
you gotta have them. Things you gotta have, you gotta have them. Dumb, dumb. When you go to the club, when you go to the club, they got about 30 little things standing right out there, right? And they usher them right on in. Yes, sir. Cause those, when the guys see those, they gonna go in there with a bottle service. That's how it works. So you have to have something to attract them. You're not catching a lion or a tiger with an empty trap. You better throw a carcass in there. A zebra, a Elon. Wildebeest or something. Something. You got to attract him with something. Hey, and I'm not so sure. North Carolina, just the Tar Heel and the Jumpman brand. I'm not so sure that's enough anymore, guys.
Ocho
Hey, they gotta. Joe, they gotta call Mike. Mike, we need to open up a little bit more.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Nah, it's the. The playing field, too, even now, you know?
Joe
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Ain't really no advantages no more to go to North Carolina or. None of them.
Joe
Nope.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You know what I mean? Like, you know, if you good, if you. If you good, they gonna find you partner.
Joe
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Nowadays, it's too many. It's. It's too, too. Too much going on. It's too many ways to be visible in the way the streaming thing is going. They stream everything so they ain't gonna miss you.
Joe
You. You remember Alabama? Remember how Alabama had had that thing on the chocolate were five stars for about 10, 15 years, right?
Ocho
The receivers and running backs?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Ocho
Back to back. Back to back. Matter of fact, the funny part to me is I'm confused. Why do players, especially if you look at the. The. The. The production that came out of Alabama, they had no problem sitting by, sitting behind each other, waiting. They turn. They could have been anywhere. They was going to find you, regardless.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
When you got Mark Ingram, you got Derrick Henry, you got Alvin Kamara, you got a Drake. Kenyan Drake. T.J. yelding.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
And you just pumping them out. Yeah, you got to go. Because if you don't go to the NFL, you might be on the bench. That ain't gonna look good. Nah, that is not gonna look good. Hey, your freshman year, you rush for 900 yards. Your sophomore year, you a backup.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Yeah.
Joe
So you got to go.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
Those wide receivers, you get Julio and you get Ridley and you get Amari Cooper, because here come Jerry Judy. Here come Jalen Waddle. Here come. Hey, here come Henry Ruggs. Here come Devonte Smith. They coming. You got J. Mo. They coming. You got to leave. Yeah, it ain't that. It ain't that complicated. Yeah, you got to leave. Same thing with the DBs. Look at those DBs. They pumping them out. Certain Arnold Minka.
Ocho
Yeah, they have some good ones.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Boy, McKinney, it's a new day.
Joe
I'm done with North Carolina. I'm gonna find me a new team.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, that was your squad?
Joe
Yeah.
Ocho
Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, man.
Joe
How you.
Ocho
Oh. Where you from?
Joe
From Georgia.
Ocho
Okay.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
How is.
Ocho
How is North Carolina your squad? If you're from Georgia, you Are you just.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I don't know.
Joe
This, this. Go. Just go way back. I first came acquainted with North Carolina. North Carolina came on my radar in 1981. They lost the national championship game to Indiana and Isaiah. That was the same night that President. The assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan's life. Okay, they lost Isaiah, Randy Whitman, Rolando Turner. Yeah. They had James Worthy. They had Jimmy Black. They lost the next year. Guess who comes in the next year. Guy with his tongue hanging out.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Jordan.
Joe
Yes. And guess who they play for the national championship. Georgetown and Patrick.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Georgetown. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Joe
So we. We go back 40 plus. I go back 40 plus years with them.
Ocho
Hold on, I got another question. Okay, yeah, I'm glad you said that. So you became a North Carolina fan. Yeah, once when they lost to Isaiah. Them. Then.
Joe
Yes.
Ocho
Jordan came in the following year because Jordan was there. Okay. Now I'm a fan of North Carolina.
Joe
Yes.
Ocho
So that means you're a fan of Jordan.
Joe
Yeah, I like Jordan. Yes.
Wilmer Valderrama / Umar Valderrama
Okay.
Ocho
Okay. So who's the greatest NBA player of all time?
Joe
LeBron. Two things can be true. I can like Jordan, but LeBron is a better player.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It's subjective. Yeah.
Ocho
Okay.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
But yeah, we go back. Yeah. When Kenny Smith and they had Sam Perkins.
Ocho
What's Kenny Smith?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
James Worth.
Joe
Yeah, the Jet. He went to North Carolina. He was on the team with. With. Not on that national championship team.
Ocho
Right.
Joe
He was on the team with. With the year. Two years after. Two years after.
Ocho
Okay.
Joe
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Now they had a squad. Now they had a squad. Yeah.
Joe
Oh, when they had Rasheed Wallace and Stackhouse and J.R. reed.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
Oh, they were that. We used to be loaded.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, hey. When they had Vince Carter and Antoine Jameson over there too, now.
Joe
Yes, yes. Well, you know, Coach Smith coached him and then he turned them over to Coach Guthrie.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah.
Ocho
Remember?
Joe
Because he didn't want to leave the cupboards. Bear.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Hey, them boy was a show.
Joe
Yeah. You MJ fan? I've been an MJ fan.
Ocho
Yeah. I'm just curious. I. I thought I had you. I thought I had you in the corner real quick.
Joe
We've all been there. You hold on to a coupon, hoping
Ocho
to cash it in at the store,
Joe
but then you forget about it and suddenly you've got a mountain of useless expired coupons.
Narrator/Announcer
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Ocho
Oh, mate, that expired in 1993.
Joe
Dang it.
Ocho
Fortunately, there are better ways to save money. Like by switching to Geico, you could
Joe
save about $900 on car insurance without ever touching a coupon. Ooh how about this one?
Narrator/Announcer
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Joe
Now you should try a bit of spring cleaning.
Narrator/Announcer
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Joe
It feels good to geico.
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Joe
Number one, number one overall seed Duke survived number 16, Sienna by rallying. They were down 13 at the half, but they come back to win by 67165. The top seeded Blue Devils needed a late rally to overcome a double digit deficit. Duke became the first number one seed to trail by double digits 11 to a 16 seed at the half. Duke is the eighth number one seeded NCAA tournament history to win by six or fewer points against the 16 seed. The three of the SEP. Three of the previous seven lost their next game. The only one to went on to reach the Final Four, Georgetown one by one lost in the Elite Eight in 89. Was that the Princeton game? I think that might have been the Princeton game. Oklahoma 89. They were one by one lost in Sweet 16. Purdue, Michigan State, Michigan, Duke in 26. Gonzaga and Illinois. Oh, Illinois. That's when they had what you call them. That was that, that was the Ken. That was Kendall Gill and Nick Anderson there.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Who is this?
Ocho
Hey, hold on.
Joe
Illinois in 1989. I think Kendall Gill and Nick at night was on that team.
Ocho
Hey, Kendall Gil played for the supersonics. Huh?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Huh?
Ocho
Kendall Gil played for the supersonics.
Joe
I think. I think so.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I don't remember if he did. I remember. I remember him playing for the.
Joe
If I'm not mistaken. If I'm not mistaken, I think that was the 89 team. Wasn't that Lou Henson? Yeah. Marcus Liberty. Yeah. Mr. Basketball in the.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah. Hey, Duke got lucky. Duke got lucky today. Hey, hey.
Ocho
Hey, Joe. Hey Joe. If Duke was playing any anyone else outside of Sienna, they could have lost that game.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They could have lost to Sienna. See this?
Ocho
I mean they could have. Them goddamn boozle boys is hell to deal with.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ocho
Evans. Evans. Evans was balling too. Yeah, yeah, but a better team, Joe, a better team outside of Sienna, they win this game. Especially being up double double points.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Well, the thing is. The thing is Duke, they starting point guard went down. I forgot his name. But he didn't.
Ocho
He.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He ain't been playing. I think he out, out. And when you got two freshmen in your lineup, obviously they brothers. They twin brothers. They both played well tonight, Uncle Ocho. The boozle boys, they both played well to get them boys over the hump. But if it wasn't for that, because it was looking shaky. I seen him down 10. I said, hold up.
Joe
Yeah, they watched him on the glass, though. They. They were plus 12 on the glass.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
Karen Boozer, you know, he had 22, but he hadn't been shooting the ball. He got it most of his points at the free throw line, but he's a load on the glass.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah, we're gonna.
Joe
You gotta. You got. You got to keep him off the glass now.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, you gotta keep him off the glass. You got to make him work, too. You can't just let him walk down there and just stand right there on the box. Like I said, you gotta start bumping and grinding from the three point line. As soon as he crosses half court, Ocho, I'm hitting him with that shoulder. I'm catching him right there at the free throw line all the way down to the block. I got to weigh you down.
Ocho
Yeah.
Joe
Yeah. You can't let him walk you down, though, Joe.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Nah, you can't. You can't, bro. Hey, I'm tell y' all something. Any of these guys who can put the ball in the basket, these scores, especially in college, because I. When I'm watching, I'm looking how they playing defense. Obviously, when you get into, you know, the NBA, defense is a lot different, man. Guys really know how to play. They know how to bump, grind the little nuances of the game. They can get, they can get away with, but I don't know how far Duke can go, man. They didn't. They didn't really impress me today.
Joe
I ain't got him going to the final four. I know that. I think I got him winning maybe one more game.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, that's it.
Joe
That's it.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It's just hard playing on that neutral site, bro. Like, you ain't really no advantage. Ooh.
Wilmer Valderrama / Umar Valderrama
Yeah.
Ocho
That's what I do. Hey, Duke travel. Duke travel well, now.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Ocho
It'll feel like a home game even though you're not playing, you know, at home.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah.
Joe
Oh, yeah. Look, all these, you know, your Dukes and your Carolinas, teams like that, that are. That are basketball power, they're going to travel just. Just like Ohio State and Alabama, your football power, they're going to travel. Georgia, they're going to Travel. They're gonna travel.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
This is.
Joe
Hey. And they they number one for a long, long time.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. And they rank they ranked number one. So they are number one overall. Yeah, number one overall. See? So yeah, you know they gonna travel
Joe
and you know Coach K. I mean Duke is synonymous with Coach K. He was there for such a long time. I remember the first time, their first night when he played for the national championship in 86. And they lost the Purvis Leslie when they had Tommy Amlickin and Johnny Dawkins, Jay Billis.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Yeah.
Joe
And they lost the. They lost the purvis them in 86, Louisville. But and he just been getting. He just been getting players.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
Grand Hill, Thomas Hill, Christian Lake, the Cherokee, Parks, Trajan Lavish. On and on and on and on and on.
Ocho
Go ahead.
Joe
I'm sure you want to say something.
Ocho
No, no, no, I'm listening. I'm listening.
Joe
But. But do a. What did they say? What's the thing? Survive in advance.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's what you got to do.
Joe
And that's exactly what we all take good care of.
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Ocho
On beyond the Script, a podcast from
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Joe
Number 11, Texas gets past AJ Debonza and the BYU Cougars. 79, 71. Agent Debonza played every minute of the game, but it wasn't enough as BYU has its season and his, probably his college career come to an end. Debonza, 35 points, was two points shy of time by use tournament record for points in the game held by Danny Ainge and Jimmer for debt. Matthias. I don't even know how to say his last name, but he had 23 and 16 for the Texas Longhorns in 33 minutes. He was 10 or 17, man, he could have had. He was 3:11 for the free throw line. Who was that? But AJ did. AJ things. He. You know, I'm not so sure. I'm not taking him number one overall. I think there's too many for me. Just for me now.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
Somebody else might feel differently. I think there's too many red flags for Peterson. You.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, so you saying you're taking AJ1?
Joe
I'm taking AJ Debonza.
Narrator/Announcer
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
Ocho
What's the red flag with Peterson? Well, him taking himself out the game, not being available.
Joe
Yep.
Ocho
I mean, hold on. But when you look. When you look at upside, though, as far as make it to the next level, who can come in? Both. Both can come in and make a difference right now,
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I think.
Joe
I mean, I can't. I can't teach.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
6, 7, 6, 8, 6, 9. That boy said I can't.
Joe
I can't teach that. Ojo.
Ocho
Yeah, he played well. He played well tonight. Shoot. Texas did everything they could. Goddamn. Every time he got the ball, they trapped him. They trapped him right away. Sometimes he had to get. He had to get it. Had to get the ball up off of him.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey. Yeah. Hey. That was it. That was his last game. Fell. We. We gonna catch him. We gonna catch him in July in the NBA Summer league out in Vegas.
Joe
We catch him in summer league. Come on out here. We catch him in the summer league.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's the next time y' all gonna see that boy playing, you hear me?
Joe
Y.
Ocho
Who got it for. Who got. Who got the first pick, Joe?
Joe
We don't know yet.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
We don't know yet. But I'm gonna just be honest with you. It's a lot of guys who can still improve their draft. Stop. Yeah, but for the number one pick, I'm almost willing to bet whoever, whatever, whoever team get the number one pick, they picking AJ First.
Joe
I agree with you.
Ocho
I think that. Listen, and I think the people know, man, I know they do everything with a little. What you call it? The ping pong ball.
Joe
The ping pong balls.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You think they cheating now?
Ocho
I'm not gonna say they cheating.
Joe
You know what I'm saying?
Ocho
You know how they do.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, well, listen, check this out. I'm gonna be skeptical if. If Utah get the number one pick. I'm gonna be skeptical because I'm like, hold on. They kept. They done kept AJ in Utah for the past two, three years.
Joe
Hey, I mean, think about it. He ain't go to Duke. He went to. He went to byu. Yeah, he went to byu.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
Oh, don't think, hey, there's a reason why Utah been sitting. They started and the guys ain't playing. The guys having surgery out for the rest of the year. The NBA don't find them a half a million dollar for pulling that bull jive. They trying to increase. They trying to increase the ping pong balls.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
If they get. If Utah Jazz get the number one pick, boy, I know something. They.
Ocho
They gonna get it. They gonna get it.
Joe
You know what? It should be everybody. Hey, to keep y' all from doing this bull job, everybody get one ball. One ping pong ball. And we pull it out. We pull it out.
Ocho
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, the killer part is if OKC mess around, get the number one pick.
Joe
Oh, Lord have mercy. They don't necessarily need it, but they could. Hey, they can secure the future for a long time. They must write a. I don't even know. I don't even know what they would. Who would they trade? And they got.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They got.
Joe
They got chat. They got Hardenstein.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They so they so lucky right now.
Joe
They guard heavy.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, man, I don't know. I just be thinking of different scenarios. I'm like, man, listen
Ocho
man.
Joe
The number 12 High Point stuns 5th C. Wisconsin 83 82. Chase Johnson made a two point basket of the season on the fast break layup with 11.7 seconds remaining. Johnson finished with 14 points, including four three pointers for the Panthers, who were 10 and a half point underdogs. He came in shooting 64, 132, 48 and a half percent from the three point line, but was owing four inside the arc and he had to play more minutes 406 than more points without making a two point shot than any other player in the country.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Man, I tell y'. All.
Ocho
Wisconsin, hey, how point were bowling, huh?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I tell y' all what. Yeah, High Point was.
Joe
One of y' all had. Ocho had High Point. I think he just look at that mascot.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I told You.
Ocho
Hey, what I was doing, he just.
Joe
Look at that mascot.
Ocho
Hey, No, I know. Hey, Ross seen Rob Martin play? Yeah, that. That maybe I seen, right?
Joe
You don't even know what High Point is, huh? You don't even know what High Point is.
Ocho
It's insane. Wait, I don't know. You know, I don't know where it's at.
Joe
It's in North Carolina. You didn't know where it was? Yeah. Hey, it used to be known as the furniture capital of the world.
Ocho
Yeah, I bet you. I bet your bracket all messed up now.
Joe
We didn't pick. Nobody pick High Point.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes, man, nobody.
Joe
But I know who picked St. Louis to beat Georgia. Who?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Did you really edit up the ass?
Joe
You asked a hater, man. Man, you have somebody work for you to be hate? No.
Ocho
Hey, what your bracket look like now?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I don't know. I gotta take a look at it. I gotta take a look at it. But I didn't. I wouldn't.
Joe
We gonna show brackets at the end, but I'm looking pretty good. I know I'm looking better than y', all, too.
Ocho
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. My bracket's still intact.
Joe
You're breaking it. Attack.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, look, why you talking about High Point? That's who we got next. That's who the Razorbacks got next.
Ocho
Oh, y' all better do so. Y' all in trouble, Joe.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What you mean, we're in trouble?
Ocho
Yeah, y' all in trouble, Joe.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, Ocho, you remember them blinders you talking about?
Ocho
Yes, sir.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Hey, hey, tunnel vision, baby.
Joe
We focus.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You hear me?
Ocho
I know. Listen, I know y' all focus, Joe, but who gonna deal with Rob Martin, Joe?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Man, listen. Hey, look, we ain't worried about that.
Ocho
I'm just saying they got something for acuff.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What they got? Ain't nobody had the recipe. Tell me what it is.
Ocho
I mean, they got the recipe.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Man, please.
Ocho
Okay.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, hey, hey.
Joe
We.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, we fast, athletic.
Joe
We.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Cause ruckus put you in uncomfortable situations. Uncle Ocho. We. You know, we playing good ball. Man, them dudes look good out there. Boy, my Razorbacks look focused.
Joe
Why you High Point? I mean, look, I know where High Point is. As a matter of fact, Burns son went to High Point. I think it's like a designer school.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
You know? Yeah, for, like, interior design and things like that.
Ocho
Hey, hey, guess who they go design on?
Joe
It's kind of like in the High Point of, like, a RC school.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, I know they had some boys eating that glass.
Joe
Yeah, they had 40 rebounds and 30. They didn't get to beat that bad on the glass. They just, you know, Wisconsin didn't put them away when they had a chance to had 22. I mean, 27. Blackwell had 22, Rap had 12, but High Point had five guys in double figures. Yeah, yeah.
Ocho
Yep.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, we locked in.
Joe
But I know High Point messed a lot of people, brackets up.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Oh, I know they did that. Of course they did.
Joe
Oh, his high school was High Point. He from North Carolina? No, he went to Kentucky. High Point is the first Big south team to win an NCAA tournament game since 2018. First four, when Radford defeated Long Island. The Panthers are also the first Big south team to defeat a higher seed since the number 11, Winthrop defeated number five, Notre Dame in the round of 64 in 2007. Yeah, I've been in that High Point.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, really?
Joe
Yeah, it was called. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. I think somebody told me that. It's not that anymore, but it used to be called the furniture capital of the world, because all the big furniture, you can just go there and you get it at wholesale, whatever you want.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
Yeah. Yep. Anybody. Anybody from North High Point? Is it still called a furniture capital or as a. Has the. The. The crisis. The housing crisis? Did that destroy. Still is. Okay. All right, Darius. A Cub scores 24 of the Arkansas breezes past Hawaii 9778. There's, of course, Acuff Jr. Had 24 points and seven assists. Arkansas moves on to face number 12, High Point in the second round of the West Regional.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Nah, I mean. Hey, Ocho, look, we had all. All five starters in double figures today.
Ocho
Yes, sir.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That mean we playing great basketball. Hear me?
Ocho
You know, High Point had five started. I mean, four starters and double figures and somebody off the bench in double figures.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That mean. Look, we had 20. We had 26 assists. That mean we. That mean we making plays for everybody.
Joe
You feel me?
Ocho
Okay.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We gonna be hard to guard, too. I don't know what you talking about. You talking about them? What about us?
Joe
Okay. Yeah, yeah.
Ocho
Y' all nice. Y' all been nice all year.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Joe, what'd you say?
Joe
Y' all gonna have to shoot that three ball better. Y' all was four. 19 from the three.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what. See, what it is. See, we hang our hat on our defense. Our defense, you know, it. It puts our offense in overdrive. You feel what I'm saying? Because we get turnovers, we get stops. And offensively, even though we got young guys at the helm at the point guard spot. We don't turn the ball over, bro. We. We value every possession. We understand the moment, man. Dude. Hey, they ready. We locked in.
Ocho
All right.
Joe
City locked in. Ocho.
Ocho
It sound good. Hey, win that game when they play
Joe
Saturday.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Saturday. Yeah.
Joe
Okay.
Ocho
Yeah, yeah. I'm. See you on the show, Joe.
Joe
Saturday.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
You know who's from High Point? Oh, Fantasia.
Ocho
Oh, I know. She grew up in a good church over there. Boy, I don't know about the church,
Joe
but I just know she's my point. Yeah.
Ocho
I mean, I'm just saying. Hey, to sing like that.
Joe
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Her and Jasmine Sullivan.
Ocho
Yes.
Joe
All right, let's check the brackets. Let's check the brackets.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Let me see.
Ocho
We forgot again.
Joe
You heard me, huh?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Well, we forgot, man.
Ocho
Got the Kennesaw State game.
Joe
Tell us about it. Go ahead. So who's on top? Okay, okay, okay. That's my brackets on the top. So let's go.
Ocho
Hold.
Joe
We go get. I had Duke, Louisville, Michigan State, Vanderbilt, Nebraska, Carolina. You. Sorry. Houston. And I had Illinois. I had Arkansas, Gonzaga, Michigan, St. Louis. Next one is Ocho. Yeah, Ocho. Ocho had Duke, Louisville, Michigan State. He won with Nebraska. He won with Illinois. He won with Texas A M. And with Houston. He won with St. Louis, Michigan and Arkansas. Joe, what we got?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I'm winning.
Joe
I don't know, Joe. No, you're not,
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
O.J. why you laughing so hard?
Joe
You and I, though, Joe. You had Duke, you had Louisville, you had Michigan State, you had Vanderbilt, you had Nebraska, you had A M. You had Houston. Yeah. You had BYU Going a long way. Joe.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Dinner.
Joe
Yeah, you did.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Damn.
Joe
Arkansas, Gonzaga, St. Louis and Michigan. So you had 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. You had 12 wins. Oh, Joe. Ocho had 1, 2, 3, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 wins. And I had 1, 2, 3, Four, five, six, seven, Eight, nine, 10, 11 wins. Oh, I'm winning right now. Joe is in first place with 12 wins. I got 11. Oh, half.
Ocho
Don't worry about it. Hey, Chad, there you go.
Joe
You doing too much.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Can I talk to Jack?
Ocho
Chat?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, listen. Hey, the man don't play by me, okay? Huh? I'm locked in on these boys, man. These boy can't beat me at nothing.
Joe
I'm locked in, Joe. That's the first round.
Ocho
First we got. We got a long way to go, Joe.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I really was talking to Chad. You and Ocho just happened to be on here. I'm talking to Chat. Me and Chad having a conversation, y'. All Just so happened to be on here, but. Locks in Raven.
Joe
There you go.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I had. Man.
Ocho
Hey, North Carolina mess you up? Huh?
Joe
No, I. I had him. I had him to win, but then I'm having to had him lose the next round to Illinois.
Ocho
Okay, okay, okay.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I ain't worried about Ocho. Yeah, he picking mascots over there.
Joe
We good, Ocho? You got North Carolina. You got North Carolina to be had. Illinois got them going on pass.
Ocho
My bad. I was just going up, you know, Prestigious school known for basketball, you know, making it foreign tournaments, you know? I mean, listen.
Joe
Yeah, we know you picked the mascots.
Ocho
My bad.
Joe
Okay. Ocho, you want to tell us about the Gonzaga game?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hold on.
Ocho
Oh. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, Joe. Hey. Listen to my basketball prowess.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Let me see what you got. Let me hear. Yeah, yeah.
Ocho
Let me know when you're ready.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Go ahead. I'm listening.
Ocho
Oh. So listen, the. The. The Zags, the Zach's Owls game, it was good. Obviously, Kennesaw State being a team, that's not as good as his eggs, right, Joe? I mean, like.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right?
Ocho
You understand what I'm talking about? So every possession matters. Every offensive play matters. You know, you. When you choose to shoot the ball, shot selection matters. Moving the ball around, keeping everybody moving, Finding the right plays, finding the right shots. Boom. You win in the game. Yeah, you was winning the game. But obviously, the better team, the Zags, you know, they. They came back and won. But what. What I want to say is, right, the thing is, I can't remember the. The big center. I think his name. His last name was Ike Eke. I I K E for Kennesaw. For the Zag.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Ocho
Hey, boy, he was here to deal with down in that block. Yeah, yeah. They was fighting. We're trying to find him. They were swinging the ball and finding. When he could. He had his way down there. They had a young bull on the Zags, too. He kept hitting the goddamn three. He was number four.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, it came off the bench. He came off the bench getting money.
Ocho
He getting money at the arc, and he putting that ball on the floor, getting to a spot every time.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, I know. I don't think I got Gonzaga going far. I know they always discipline Uncle Ocho when they play, you know, they gonna play a. A good discipline game. But, you know, I don't think I got them going that far.
Ocho
Hey, that's not fair, man.
Wilmer Valderrama / Umar Valderrama
Too, man.
Joe
You know, Kennesaw State, that's Joe. That's. That's us. That's making right down there
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
well, let me see. Oh, King Ice. Hey, listen, man. Hey, look, hey, look. Hey, let me tell you. Let me tell you, Ocho something, man. We're coming up on the year, us hanging out. You know, it's gonna. April gonna give us a year. And, and until the other day, we had been on the, you know, everything had been on the up and up.
Joe
We had all been all good.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You know what I mean?
Ocho
Yeah.
Joe
Y' all know what you mean, Joe.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It's just when I. When somebody tried me, I understand. I, I, you know, I gotta put the smackdown. I gotta put out a mean demonstration. And I hate for you for it to even go that way. I really do.
Ocho
Hey, you know what? Hey, Joe, you ever grew up with siblings?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Nope. I'm a little child.
Ocho
You ever grew uncle, you grew up with siblings, huh?
Joe
Man, you know, I got a brother and a sister.
Ocho
Okay, So y', all, y', all, y' all get into it sometime. Y' all go through little quarrel sometime, huh?
Joe
Man, look at this, man. They got all kind of stuff up there with you.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah, look at this one.
Joe
Look at this one. Ocho.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, Ocho. Ocho, I understand where you coming from. We just having a little riff, but we gonna, we gonna go and get our little fade out the way we still love each other, but we gotta get that fade.
Ocho
Listen, listen, Joe. I love you like a brother, Joe. I love you like a brother. You know? You feel me? I love you like you're my son. Yeah.
Joe
Yeah.
Ocho
You're gonna get this work, though.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Ocho
Hey, why? Why I'm getting hit.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That was gonna happen. Hell you talking about? What you think, what you thought was gonna happen?
Ocho
It ain't gonna happen like that. I. I ain't got. Listen, I got disciplined discipline in that ring. My hand definitely ain't gonna be down like that.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I got discipline too, bro. That's the thing. So, man, they got.
Joe
They got Joe. They got Joe with a row. Atlanta Hawk roll. Big Street Joe Johnson. Hey, hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, look at this one. They got a oo, Man, they got po. They call it poo Poo.
Ocho
Hey, hey, Joe. You finna feel my rad, Joe? Are you gonna feel my rap, man?
Joe
Joe, I think, I think, I think Joe to hide got his own personal graphics team.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Hey, that's the perfect picture. He need too here for me.
Ocho
Hey, Joe. Listen, Joe, I don't lie or anything I say is from is life experience. It's things that I've experienced in life, Joe.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, I got you. I got you, bro. I got you.
Joe
I Love you.
Ocho
I love you like a brother. But you're gonna feel like you're fighting two people when you get in there with me, though. I can see that.
Joe
It's funny.
Ocho
I don't like the people on the outside. They take everything so serious.
Joe
Like people bad looking.
Ocho
We family. What are y'? All? Yeah, they writing think pieces and they writing a thing.
Joe
Oh, they.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, hey.
Joe
Oh, but, oh, you got off easy. They had me on the Shade Room. They had me on the Jasmine brand. They had me on everything. Love his kids. He don't love his family. Now I see why he's single. I said, I have no problem. I just said, ocho should have gave Joe a heads up. But then, then it came out what actually happened. The hate room. Ain't nobody put nothing up there. Ain't nobody said nothing. I said, well, damn. Hey. So I'm trying to figure out. Y' all deduced. I hate my kids. I think I did a thing. Me and the moms did a pretty good job. We got three college graduates. Last one is in residency, got another year of residency. She'll be a full. A real doctor. I thought we did a pretty good job.
Ocho
Yeah.
Joe
You know?
Ocho
Yeah.
Joe
I love our kids. I hate my kids. I don't like my family. I see why he's single. And everybody that probably said that, single just like me. They're making Jojo. They make it seem like me and you the only ones that ain't married. Everybody else, everybody else that be in the chat being married,
Ocho
80 people. People in the. Eight people, people in the chat, they going through the same problem we go through.
Joe
Of course.
Ocho
Name everything. I don't know why everybody be trying to act like they all perfect and they do. We just happen to live ours in front of everybody else.
Joe
That's. That's it. Bad Ocho. Ocho bed. I was like, bro, y' all take this way too serious. Yeah, it ain't that serious.
Ocho
Not.
Wilmer Valderrama / Umar Valderrama
It's not.
Joe
But I, I, you know what?
Ocho
But hey, you know, you know what it is, though.
Joe
Go ahead, Ocho, what is it?
Ocho
Hey, Uncle Joe, what was that? What it is. It's great. It's great entertainment. It's organic. It's authentic. It's authentic. Nothing is scripted. These things are happening. They're recurring in real time.
Joe
Yes.
Ocho
You know, that situation, it was real.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, it was real. Yeah.
Ocho
But we get on here, we talk about it. We jib, we jab at it. You know, you, you get on me.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Ocho
I accept accountability. It's a real situation. But then we keep going, but we do it in an entertaining format.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right, right, right.
Ocho
But everybody. They take it so serious. Oh, my God.
Joe
And he did this.
Ocho
If I was. If I was so and so, I wouldn't. I wouldn't mess with Ocho no more. Wait a minute.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I mean, hey, hey. I mean, they kind of got some points, though. I mean, I could. I can kind of see where they
Joe
coming from a little bit.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You know what I mean?
Joe
I ain't gonna. You can understand. You might not agree with it, but you understand that joke.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Gotta see where they coming from.
Ocho
Listen, hey, Joe, I don't. I don't. Because they don't live in no glass house. Hey, they ain't no better than me.
Joe
I. I think. Look, a part of them. Some of them do. Some of them not happy for us. Oo.
Ocho
Oh, they not.
Joe
I think the vast majority. Look, because I think the thing is this. This. The street committee, that's what I call the Internet.
Ocho
Yes, sir.
Joe
Yes, sir. But for the most part, when you see somebody out there, it's all positive. Yeah, when I see people out there, it's all positive. Yes, Joe, you see people, it's all positive. I don't get nothing negative, but on
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
here, yeah, yeah, I don't get it.
Joe
But. Only thing is, Twitter and ig, I don't get. I don't have. I mean, I ain't looked at Facebook in a hundred years, but if that. That's what it is. But all I'm saying is, if you get something wrong, you know, be mad enough to a woman enough to say, you know what, I was wrong.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right?
Joe
But the Shade Room, you got it wrong. But instead of saying you got it wrong, you pretend like y' all didn't hear nothing. Jasmine, Brandon, and everybody else that ran with it. Yeah, y' all ran with it. Come on back. Hey, that's all we ask you to do, to come on back. When Ocho gets something wrong, he'll say, uncle, I was wrong with that. I get something wrong. I'm wrong with that. But you take a clip because you can tell the people that watch Nightcap regularly, he's like, y' all missing the point.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Joe
Ocho had asked for the tickets. Okay, Say okay. Said he shouldn't have gone to the thing. Unc. Said he should have just gave Joe the heads up. That's all I was saying.
Ocho
Right.
Joe
But they took it. Man up, don't love his kid. That's why he went to the game. He went, hey, no, I would. I don't really. I don't really schedule anything. Listen, but we ought to do this.
Ocho
I was like, hey, I tell you what.
Joe
What?
Ocho
There's a reason why we the best is out there for sure. And you can't replicate it.
Joe
Nope.
Ocho
Hey, listen, hey, Uncle Joe, we ain't got to talk about nobody. We ain't got negative to get the views to be entertaining. Everything is organic. The stories are real, man. Hey, but Joe, but, but after I say all that, I'm. You still gonna get these hands though.
Joe
I give you primary guys, I give you a prime example. Okay, Everybody that had a pod, what did they talk about? The hottest story, the trending story was Kenyan. Yeah, we didn't talk about that. Yeah, cuz I don't feel. I don't feel. I didn't feel that. If we want, if you want to talk about it. Oo, we could have talked about it, but I don't feel I have anything to add. I didn't feel like I had anything to add to it.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah.
Joe
All this other stuff that was going on, we don't talk about. We don't talk about other people because I think there's enough stuff happening that we can talk about that without mentioning them.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, absolutely right.
Joe
People don't want to hear you constantly talk about Shannon Sharp or Stephen A. Smith. They want to hear you talk about you. You're a sports Joe. So talk about some sports. Yeah, hell, I ain't playing sports a quarter of a century, but that's what makes us unique. We talk about sports, we can make things entertaining. We'll take the simplest things and make it very, very entertaining. People want to entertain. At the end of the day, people want to be entertained, but they don't want to be entertaining while you constantly trying to berate somebody and put somebody down.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
There you go.
Joe
That's the thing. Okay, I. Hell, I ain't did anything entertaining quite some time. I'm planning on keeping it that way.
Ocho
You hear me?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You say what?
Ocho
Let me take care of the entertaining part. Let me be the villain. That, that's, that's my spiel. I'll be the bad guy.
Joe
Ocho, they taking things that we said in like the first, like I said in the first month and you. And I was joking in the first month of the show. Yes, sir. They played it now. And people say, see, that's why it happened. Yeah, bro, I said that three years ago. But because you take the clips you want paint, paint. Try to paint me in a negative light and people don't know any better. Cause if it's up there. If I post. If we post something today, people gonna assume it was said today or yesterday. Yeah, they're not looking to see you, man. Man, he said that about not going to girl's house three years ago. Yeah. Why y' all talking about it now? But I get it. It took me a while to understand. I was like, I see what y' all trying to do. Y' all realize what the algorithm is. Y' all know who's in the algorithm. Mention his name, people gonna click. Hey, Shannon Sharp won an Oscar. Click. Shannon Sharp was walking down the street, the car broke down. Click. It is what it is. It is what it is now, Ocho. So we just got to accept that we just got it. Joe, I'm sorry that we roped you into it, but. But, but you. You a part of it now. So anything that Ocho and I do,
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
the guilty by association.
Joe
You guilty by association.
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