Nightcap Hour 1: Wemby DOMINATES the Rockets + Jokic says Wemby will TAKE OVER the NBA + Lakers BEAT the Knicks without Bron + Jayson Tatum LOOKS GREAT vs Cavs + Pistons SELL vs Heat

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Episode: March 9, 2026 – Hour 1: “Wemby DOMINATES the Rockets + Jokic says Wemby will TAKE OVER the NBA + Lakers BEAT the Knicks without Bron + Jayson Tatum LOOKS GREAT vs Cavs + Pistons SELL vs Heat”

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Episode Overview

Shannon Sharpe ("Unc"), Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Joe “ISO Joe” Johnson break down NBA action hot off the press, centering on San Antonio’s blowout win over Houston, Victor Wembanyama’s meteoric rise (and Nikola Jokic’s high praise), the Lakers’ statement without LeBron, Jayson Tatum’s return to form, and the Pistons’ slide. The trio’s chemistry produces honest, colorful, and expert-level basketball commentary.

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Spurs CRUSH Rockets—Wemby’s Statement Performance

Timestamps: [08:20] – [23:14]

Game Recap & Analysis

• The Spurs beat the Rockets 145–120, with four players topping 20+ points (nearly five), and 57 points from the bench.
• “This was a beat down from the beginning…in the third quarter the Spurs just exploded, just went haywire. Wemby was Wemby.” — Chad Ochocinco, [09:00]
• Dylan Harper narrowly missed being the fifth 20-point scorer, signaling San Antonio’s depth.
• Joe Johnson notes, “The Rockets were like two to three steps slower than the Spurs. The pace…the Rockets couldn’t keep up.” [10:09]
• Ochocinco: “I’m not sure any team has the answer for Wemby.”

Can the Spurs Contend for a Title?

• Sharp physicality on the perimeter and constant pressure: “They got a lot of guys who…don’t mind playing defense off the bounce and create opportunities for themselves or others. It’s fun to watch.” — Uncle Joe, [10:49]
• A key: unstoppable guards and deep rotations. “When their starters go to the bench…the second, that shock troop come in and they give you the same type of pace, same tempo.” — Ochocinco, [14:04]
• The trio largely agree: if healthy, the Spurs are potentially championship favorites (“I think they got it…They’re gonna raise that trophy.” — Joe Johnson, [14:45]), although Uncle Joe hesitates to put money on it.

Keys to Spurs Dominance

• Bench scoring and rotation: “You get 57 bench points and your starters play like they play… there’s so much more than Wemby.” — Ochocinco, [11:12]
• Defensive prowess: “Defensively, they all sit down in the chair. But when you got Wemby behind you, hell, it ain’t…like, yeah, but I’m with you.” — Uncle Joe, [19:40]
• Team chemistry similar to OKC’s: “Most teams that win are close…that’s how you build. Most teams that win are close.” — Ochocinco, [20:38]

Notable Quotes

• “Wemby blocks a shot…he 100 meter!” — Chad Ochocinco, [16:13]
• “When your best player holds this thing together and Wemby is clearly their best player, but man, they young and they still got draft picks.” — Ochocinco, [21:31]

Rockets’ Problems

• Defensive liabilities (“Singoon, he can’t guard nobody.” — Uncle Joe, [15:44]) and a lack of true point guard without VanVleet.
• “I like Amin Thompson…phenomenal. But without a true point guard, they not going nowhere.” — Ochocinco, [31:58]
• Discussion of roster holes: “They have a bunch of offensive guys. The problem is, is that Shingoon is used to getting the ball all the time. With the addition of KD, KD got to get some touches…” — Ochocinco, [16:51]

Memorable Analogy

• “You want to keep up with us? Don’t bring your work boots—bring your track shoes.” — Ochocinco, [35:22]

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OKC vs San Antonio: Potential Playoff Showdown

Timestamps: [22:45] – [28:32]

• A theoretical Spurs vs OKC matchup dominates the segment.
• “Beating somebody one game is one thing, but a seven game series—who you leaning towards, huh?” — Joe Johnson, [22:51]
• Uncle Joe leans slightly toward OKC for now: "Maybe the Spurs are a year away, just like OKC were before getting upset by the Mavericks.”
• They specifically look forward to a Castle vs Shai Gilgeous-Alexander matchup: “I want to see Castle and Shay… it’s a matchup.” — Ochocinco, [27:32]

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The Wembanyama Dilemma—How Do You Stop Him?

Timestamps: [28:32] – [30:56]

• “Is there any way you can stop him? Or just…worry about the other four on the court?” — Joe Johnson, [28:43]
• Uncle Joe: “You gotta wear him down…body to body the whole way…and hope in the third and fourth quarter you’re able to wear him down.” [29:05]
• Wemby’s versatility, shot-blocking, effortless playmaking, and the “cheat code” feeling: “He like a cheat code, bro.” — Uncle Joe, [28:32]
• Spurs’ guards break down defenses so easily the paint is wide open.

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Jokic on Wemby: “He’ll Take Over the NBA”

Timestamps: [37:36] – [39:43]

• “Nikola Jokic says he’s glad he’s retiring soon before Wemby takes over the NBA. He’s changing basketball. I’m glad that I’ll probably retire before Wemby holds the entire league in a chokehold. Ain’t never seen anything like it.” — Ochocinco, quoting Jokic [37:36]
• No player that tall, that skilled, and that impactful on both ends has ever been seen, per hosts.

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Rising International Superstars & the NBA’s Globalization

Timestamps: [39:43] – [43:26]

• The hosts note how the league’s top five or six guys are all foreign-born: Luka, Jokic, Giannis, Wemby, Shai, etc.
• “It’s hard…you talk about an American sport and a foreign-born player being the face of an American sport.” — Ochocinco, [39:05]
• Uncle Joe: “Globally…he brings in a great brand. It only helps the game. To be the face of the NBA? He got a chance, bro. If he wins a championship for sure.” [38:44]
• Luka Doncic’s early pro years, international player development, and their impact on the NBA.

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Lakers Outclass the Knicks WITHOUT LeBron

Timestamps: [56:20] – [58:56]

• “Lakers beat the Knicks 110–97. LeBron was a late scratch…but LA held the number three team on offense to just under 43% shooting with 19 turnovers.” — Ochocinco, [56:20]
• Rui Hachimura (“Rui came in and played really well…13 points, 3/8 from three”) and Austin Reaves (“He was aggressive, put the ball on the floor, getting to the paint. Luca's Luca.”) stepped up.
• Ochocinco points out the “Lakers effect” on shooters—guys like Gabe Vincent arrive as snipers, then forget how to shoot: “But when guys can shoot the ball wherever they are, until they come to the Lakers or team up with LeBron…and all of a sudden they forget how to shoot.” [57:23]
• Discussion on how expectations crush role players: “The number one killer is expectations.” — Ochocinco, [57:39]

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Jayson Tatum Looks Ready—Celtics Drop Cavs

Timestamps: [68:40] – [74:28]

• “Jayson Tatum in his second game back had 20 points…hit a big three to push the game out of reach.” — Ochocinco, [68:42]
• “Boston looks scary now, though.” — Uncle Joe, [69:51]
• “Once he gets back fine-tuned…[Tatum] will be comfortable…that puts Boston right back at the top of the Eastern Conference.” — Uncle Joe, [70:52]
• Pritchard as spark plug/bench scoring: “Anytime Peyton Pritchard gets an opportunity…he gonna give you that work.” — Joe Johnson, [73:48]

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Cleveland’s and Detroit’s Flaws Exposed

Cleveland: (Cavs vs. Celtics)

• No bench production: “You’re not beating anybody with 13 bench points.” — Ochocinco, [73:16]
• “I don’t see nobody who’s going to win them a game in a tough playoff series…They have to work so hard to score.” — Uncle Joe, [71:45]

Detroit & the Pistons’ Four-Game Slide Timestamps: [74:51] – [81:16]

• Pistons blow a big lead to Brooklyn, then get routed by the Heat.
• Lack of defensive effort, reliance on Cade Cunningham to be superhuman.
• “They got a big lead on everybody in the East, but they got a little bored…I expect for them to tighten up, make this late run.” — Uncle Joe, [81:16]
• Ochocinco disagrees: “You ain’t won nothing to be bored…You get bored of winning championships—not regular season games!” [80:38]
• Miami Heat’s playoff chances are dismissed: “They do this—have a great game, look good, get a nice little seed, then it’ll be first round.” — Uncle Joe, [79:23]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Wemby’s a tough cover for everybody.” — Ochocinco, [17:23]
• On Luka Doncic: “He’s very unorthodox…he’s gonna complain, he gonna shoot a shot and he’s looking at the ref, and they laying it up on the other end.” — Ochocinco, [42:03]
• “If you want to keep up with us, don’t bring your work boots. Bring your track shoes.” — Ochocinco, [35:22]
• Jokic on Wemby: “He’s changing basketball. I’m glad that I’ll probably retire before when he’ll hold the entire league in a chokehold.” — Ochocinco (quoting Jokic), [37:36]
• “You have to want to dominate the game… from start to finish.” — Uncle Joe, [55:40]
• “There are some guys that got rings and people actually think they’re better than Charles Barkley, better than Karl Malone. And you’re high.” — Ochocinco, [64:29]

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Closing Thoughts

• San Antonio’s blend of youth, depth, defense, and Wemby makes them a nightmare in the West—maybe even championship favorites.
• International stars (Wemby, Jokic, Luka, Giannis, Shai) have taken over NBA stardom and may soon dominate its biggest awards and storylines.
• The Lakers, Celtics, and Miami Heat all have big question marks, but Boston looks most legit after Tatum’s return.
• The Pistons’ late-season malaise and the Cavs’ lack of depth could sink their playoff prospects.
• If the Spurs and OKC clash in the playoffs, expect fireworks—and the emergence of a new Western Conference standard.

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Section Timestamps (Quick Guide)

• [08:20] – [23:14]: Spurs-Rockets breakdown, team chemistry, championship potential
• [22:45] – [28:32]: Spurs vs OKC playoff theory
• [28:32] – [30:56]: The “Wemby problem”—how (if at all) to counter him
• [37:36] – [39:43]: Jokic on Wemby’s rise
• [39:43] – [43:26]: NBA’s international transformation
• [56:20] – [58:56]: Lakers statement win over Knicks
• [68:40] – [74:28]: Tatum’s return & Celtics-Cavs
• [74:51] – [81:16]: Pistons-Heat, Detroit's struggles

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“Wemby, he’s like a cheat code, bro.” — Uncle Joe, [28:32]

“The number one killer is expectations.” — Ochocinco, [57:39]

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[Uncle Joe]

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[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Look, Uncle Ocho, what they've shown you is that those three times that they beat okc, it was not a fluke, fellas. It was not a fluke, ladies and gentlemen. Listen, this team is deep. They have so many guys that can beat you. But you know what was glaring about this? It was almost as if the Rockets was like two to three steps slower than the Spurs. It's like the pace that the spurs was playing at, Uncle Ocho, it's like the Rockets couldn't keep up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They can't get.

[Uncle Joe]

Look, midway through the third quarter, I seen kd. What we talk about when they complaining to the Russ. We know we got him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep.

[Uncle Joe]

I seen KD over there talking to the rails, his tongue hanging out his mouth.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Boy.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, they done ran them boys in the ground, man. Hey, they got a lot. Hey, spurs got a lot of guys who they can throw at you who don't mind playing defense off the bounce and create opportunities for, for themselves or others. It's fun to watch, man. Not. And, and not even to mention wimy. Oh, my God. I mean, yeah, they destined Uncle Ocho. They can win it all. Yes, yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They got 57 bench points. You get 57 bench points and your starters play like they play. And Devon, he didn't have one of his better games. He only had five points. He. He was 0 of 6 from the floor, O3 from the three point line. Oh, you wi San Antonio. Look, Wimby. We talk about wimy, but there's so much more than a wimy.

[Joe Johnson]

They, they, they look good, huh? I mean, to piggyback off what Joe said, obviously, me watching the game tonight and, and Joe saying that it looked like the Rockets were two steps behind. It looked just like that. Even though my understanding isn't great as his. I mean, with me not having the knowledge that I do of the game. I mean, it looked like that to me. It seemed like they were lethargic. I'm not sure what was wrong or the fact that the spurs were just two steps ahead of everything that they tried to do. Whether it was in transition, whether it was offensively, or whether it was defensively. They played extremely well. I'm not sure any team has the answer for Wemby. I'M not sure what you can do to stop Wemby because he's good from anywhere on the floor, anywhere on the court, he can, he can put the ball on the floor. Hey, mid range, I mean in the goddamn paint, Joe, I'm not sure what they can. And like Joe did say what they've done to okc. As great as OKC is as a team, even with the depth they have on the bench they met the spurs, match up really well with them. And I might. I got a question for you and you and on Joe, with the way the spurs are playing, are they the favorite to win the championship this year or is everyone still leaning towards OKC to do so in a seven games, I mean in the seven game series regards to who they have to play or the sport is the favorite.

[Uncle Joe]

Well, it's, it's when you see them complete, when you see a complete game, the way they played tonight today, Ocho, it makes you, you know, it makes you put them ahead of a lot of teams. But for me, man, it's the physicality that they play with on the perimeter. Like just being in KD back pocket the whole game making it tough for him to get to his spots. Pushing, shoving, the whole game picking up full court. All that plays into the victories. Not only do, not not only that, but the guys that they have, man, Fox, Castle, Harper, come. These guys go off the dribble so easily, bro, and get to the basket. If you can't guard, man, you in trouble. I'm sorry you ain't gonna be able to keep them boys in front of you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think the thing, Joe, when I watch them, you're gonna have to have somebody score and they're gonna have to keep Wimble away from the basket because if you let him camp out from the basket, you're not gonna get any layups. He's gonna alter all your shots. And, and you see guys, they come in and they're very hesitant, like, damn, I gotta shoot this ball like 12ft in the air in order for me to have a chance to get it up. Yeah, and he'll let you. You think you got him beat, he just spins around and whop throw it out of bounds. So the thing is, is that OKC does have a guy that can play on the perimeter, which is Chet, which can take him away from the basket. But if your big cannot draw him outside of the paint, you're gonna have hell beating him.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh yeah, like you said.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now they do have multiple guys. The thing that I love most about them Is that when their starters go to the bench, that second that shock troop come in and they give you the same type of pace, they give you the same type of tempo. Now, obviously Cornette is not as good as Wimby, but when you come in with Harper and you come in with

[Uncle Joe]

Johnson, man, and Brian, I like Brian too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, yes. He.

[Uncle Joe]

He high energy. He can guard every. Everybody out there on the floor.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He can guard.

[Uncle Joe]

They play the right way.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's.

[Uncle Joe]

It's fun to watch them play, bro, because they can beat you in so many ways. But the attack that they have from them guards, man, the way they can get by their man so easily. Ocho, bro, you ain't gonna want to see these.

[Joe Johnson]

Uncle Joe, honestly, I mean, based on what we've seen from the spurs so far this season, I think obviously if they're healthy, if they remain healthy, especially going into the postseason, I think. I think they got it. They. They go. They're gonna raise that. They're gonna raise that trophy.

[Uncle Joe]

Now you gonna, you gonna put some money on them?

[Joe Johnson]

No, I ain't gonna do that, Joe. I don't want to put money on nothing when I'm not controlling the outcome, Joe. Okay, but I'm just saying, if you had to bet, you would do the same though, right?

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, it'd be if. Boy, they up there, Ocho, I'm talking about, man. It's hard to go against them, I tell you that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But if, if it's gonna be a. Definitely gonna be a matchup. I tell you what I mean. Do not is not very pleased with the way they play defense. They shot 58 from the floor. They shot 52% from the three. You're not beating anybody. I don't give a damn if San Antonio. I don't care if it's. I don't care if it's. It's Sacramento. I don't care who it is. You let a team shoot damn near 60 from the floor over 50 from the 3, you're gonna lose by 20 points.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Singoon, he can't guard nobody.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, no, no, no, no. He an offensive guy. He's an offensive guy. He's not a.

[Uncle Joe]

They put, they put the, the game so fast. They put up in them pick and rolls and they getting the isolation. They just penetrate kicking or getting by him getting layups, but he having a hard. He's struggling playing at this pace. Yes, he's struggling playing at this pace because Wimy is just. He out there floating around a three point line blocking shots.

[Joe Johnson]

He's just hey, Uncle Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And Wimby blocks a shot. He wimy blocked. Block a shot. He 100 meter.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, uncle, when. Hey, Joe, when you get in a situation like that where obviously Sengun is a liability on defense, why not just go small?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You can't. He's one of you. He's an All Star.

[Uncle Joe]

Damn. Who you gonna put in there? That's exactly. You play through him. You know what I mean? Like, a lot of the offenses ran through him.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, hold on. He's a liability on defense. Not we. We.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We can't still. But he gives you so much offensively. If you take. Let's see, who you gonna put in there defensively. You're not gonna put Jeff Green, Phoenix Smith is too small. Isaiah Crawford, Clint Capella. But he gives you nothing offensively.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Holiday, Okogi, Reed shepherd is offensive guy. No, no, they have a bunch of offensive guys. The problem is, is that Shingoon is used to getting the ball all the time with the addition of kd. KD got to get some touches. Oh, you remember last year, Shun Goon was an all star.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, he was.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Some of those touches.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. I just don't. I think that's a tough cover for him guarding Wimby. Like, that's a tough cover for Sing, man. That's a tough cover for him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Wimby's a tough cover for everybody. But if you think. If. If you think about it, look, if they play, Chad is going to be a tough cover for him because Chad can play on the boundary. Obviously, Joker is a tough cover for everybody. There's no answer. So we don't. We exclude Joker. Joker, don't. Don't even talk about him because ain't nobody doing anything with him. The problem that you have when you. When you're. I made Joker pride himself on being a defensive team. If you look at him with the Celtics, hey, we're gonna shut. Yeah. We're gonna shoot threes, but we're gonna play outstanding defense. They don't have guys to play the type of defense that he wants to play.

[Uncle Joe]

He got a couple.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's really that simple.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They don't.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All things being equal, KD is phenomenal offensively, but he's not a defensive guy. Shingon is not a defensive guy. Now, I like Jabari Smith, but really the only guy they got that's on the defensive end that's trying to hold it down is Thompson and Eason.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And when you got those young guys, you look at what's the average Age of San Antonio, 23, 24, maybe 25.

[Joe Johnson]

Young.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They getting up and down, man.

[Uncle Joe]

They got some Hoopers, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They got some straight hooping waves at you. They go every. Every five to six minutes. They coming in with a new set. Well, good luck, because, look, every. They're top heavy, and most teams are. So don't. Don't think I'm saying. But when you look at the most of their points, when you get 57 points from your bench and you getting consistent play night in and night out, Dylan Harper was, what, Western Conference rookie of the year. And you got Kelvin Johnson coming off your bench. Kelvin Johnson can stop for a lot of teams. Dylan Harper probably should be in the starting lineup. But they say, you know what? We need that energy. We need those points coming off the bench because we know we're going to get from Versaille and we know what we're going to get from Stephen Castle. So now you getting. You get it, Joe. You can take on a given night, you getting somewhere between 30 and 40 points a night from two guys off the bench.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. And you know what? It seems as though nobody has a problem with it on their team neither. You know, they all. They, they. They all vouch for one another. They play hard. They play the right way. You don't see nobody out there forcing none. And the game just looks easy, man. It looks easy to them. And defensively, they all sit down in the chair. But when you got Wimby behind you, hell it it ain't. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, but I'm with you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Even if you play the chair game, don't worry about it. If somebody get your chair, don't worry about it. Get back there to Wimby. We got something for you.

[Uncle Joe]

Hello. Hello. But you know what, man? Hey, look, Castle. Castle showing me a lot, though. Uncle Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, listen, I'm talking about, like, oh, oh, oh, like, oh, he gonna be able to.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, we talk about all defensive players now. I. Look, Jalen. Jalen Brown has played extremely well. We know what Kawaba Kwai is, not what he once was. The injury that's taking his toll. But when we look at this kid here, he's taking the toughest office of assignment every single night. And you ask him to still give you those 15 to 20 points that he gives you.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So a.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, man. Yeah. Young superstar in the making. Obviously, we know he won rookie of the year, but he shown me, man, that he ready to take that next step. Uncle Ocho, hey, the spurs scary, bro. They scary, man, oh man. Yeah, nobody wants to see them boys.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They don't. But I think the thing is, is that they took a page out of okc. You see how well okc, you can tell they genuinely like each other. They genuinely like being around each other. It's not like, okay, we get to a city and we scatter like, like, like mice when the lights come on. They like, hey, hey, bro, what you doing? Hey, let's go grab a bite you. They talk about how they spend time with one another, how they're in the group chat communicating with one one another. And I can see very similar what the spurs are doing. That's how you would look. Most teams that win are close. Now there, there always going to be a situation where else sometimes you get outliers where, hey, we win and fight and we don't really care about each other. But I think OKC and the way they play, I think everybody's trying to find, trying to find that formula because your best player holds this thing together. And Wimby is clearly their best player, but man, they young and they still got draft picks.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And, and the thing is that look, most of these guys, champagne and Wimby Yama. Yeah. You made the trade for Dear and Fox. Darren Fox said like, I'm tired of sack, blah, blah, blah, and I want to go elsewhere. And he lands here with Wimby.

[Uncle Joe]

He probably the oldest on the team.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Uncle Joe]

So you got all these pushing the pick and roll.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, he can get down that joke. Hey, quick as a cat on a marble table, man. Downhill and get to the rim. Hey, he can snatch it back up behind the three point line. He got a crazy head that you think he about to hit. Pop, he's to the rim on you. And now you got Wimby and you got Castle. You got Vassal. They loaded.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, man, they're really good. Them boys made a statement.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on. They've been making a statement though, Joe. They've been making.

[Uncle Joe]

But I'm just saying against, against one of the top teams like Houston in the Western Conference. They just making.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They the third seed. Houston are. Yeah, they letting know they made mincemeat out of them.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's levels to this.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Made mincemeat out of them. They did, they did. They made mincemeat out of them. And like I said, it's gonna be very interesting. I want to see it. Hopefully everybody is, is a healthy and nobody has any, you know, significant injuries. I I, you know, you want to

[Uncle Joe]

see them at okc? You want to see them at OKC in the Western Conference final?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I do, I do.

[Uncle Joe]

Boy, it's gonna go down.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe. Who you got? Hypothetically speaking, if those, if those two. Listen, beating. Beating somebody one game is one thing, but a seven game series. Who you leaning towards, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, they've already beat him three out of four this year.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, they didn't beat him three out of four.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on. That's regular season now. You know, Joe, the playoffs is a different ball game.

[Uncle Joe]

I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it. Hey, I've been in that situation. I've been in that situation.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

listen, go ahead, Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

Go ahead. What you gonna say?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I was gonna say I want to see Castle and Shay.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cause that's a matchup.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cause council. Hey, Castle can pick it up now. They're gonna run his ass off a bunch of pigs. They're gonna try to keep him in the picture. They're gonna try to keep his head running off screen. The fear dies. Hey, they gonna try to keep, keep, keep. But he a hound.

[Uncle Joe]

I'm here, man. I'm. I know they won the series, the season series of spurs, but I'm probably giving me a little edge to okc. I'll probably give him. Probably give a little edge to OKC right now. Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They might be a year away because you remember OKC was in a very similar situation before, and they ended up getting upset by the Mavericks.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So I can see a very similar situation where, hey, you think, man, they right there and all of a sudden they get upset. But they coming. If you. Hey, if you think you about to have your way with the San Antonio, they coming.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We're only gonna get better. I don't know if y' all noticed, but we'll be gonna get better.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, he like a cheat. Co there, bro. It don't even look.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, how you take the first shot? You pulling up for 27. Hey, hey, hey. At the top. At the top. From 27.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, Joe. You played the game, Joe. You've been around for a very long time. Someone like Wimy. There's no answer for Jokic. I mean, Yoker, that you can slow him down. You can only hope to contain him when it comes to Wimy. Is there any way you can stop him? Anything you could do defensively, anything you can do tactically to slow him down or just do you just have to say, you know what? He's gonna always get his. We need to worry about the other four on the court.

[Uncle Joe]

Nah, you gonna have to wear him down. Pick him, catch him early, body to body the whole way. And then you gotta hope in the third and fourth quarter and second half of the game, you're able to wear him down to where he's not as effective. But Ocho, I mean, man, he.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He.

[Uncle Joe]

He can do a little bit of everything out there. I mean, I like. I liked how he took his time and, you know, he started to play making. Just make. Making the right passes and guys getting wide open three. Next thing you know, they up 30 points, bro. Yeah, it's like, I mean, the thing

[Chad Ochocinco]

with Wimby Joe, you got you. Like you said, you got to have somebody that can body. You got to wear him down.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Because right now he's still in his, his young man kid body.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's not that old. He doesn't have his, his body body. So you got to wear him now. You got to have somebody that can make him work on the other end and, and, and you got to go body with him. Hopefully you can get him in foul trouble. If you don't get him in foul trouble and he gets to play his normal a lot of a minute, which is about 30. Play about somewhere like 30, maybe 33, 34 minutes. If you let him pay his normal allotment of minutes, that means he's not in file trouble. And he's gonna be down there, he's gonna be there down the stretch.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And he's gonna make it very difficult because all layups. I'm rescinding. Send, return to sender.

[Uncle Joe]

Dude. Hello. Hello. Yeah, you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I don't like what you say, so I'm gonna send it back in 30 days.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, man, they gonna be, they gonna be a tough matchup for anybody though in the postseason. Fellas, I don't care who they play.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Houston allowed them season most points, 56 in the paint. Think about. They allow 56 points in the paint, guys, and they shot 43s. They made 21 or 40 from the three point line. So you get up 43s and you still get 56 in the. A damn near 60 in the point in the paint.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, them dudes was. Listen, they guards break you down so easy, bro. They in the paint themselves the whole time shooting layups, floaters, it's. It's too much. Yeah, you take that away now you got Penny, Chad Pennington and Bass out there shooting the lights out, shooting the

[Chad Ochocinco]

COVID off the ball.

[Uncle Joe]

It's like you gotta pick, it's got, you gotta pick your poison.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Keldon Johnson come in. Just pulling.

[Uncle Joe]

Well, they look good, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I don't know why, but hell, every time Kelton Johnson and Champagne shoot the three I like that's gonna go in, they got me thinking they damn step.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, listen, because it don't be nobody two, three feet from him. You know what I'm saying? Cuz Wimby, he, he, he take the double team, triple team and he just picking you apart. Them guys breaking people down, picking you apart. It's going to be tough to beat

[Chad Ochocinco]

them Bro, the question is, look, I think the, the, the problem that, that the Rockets really have. They needed a point guard. Without Van Fleet, they can't go anywhere.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, it's tough.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I like Amin Thompson. I think he's a phenomenal player. He's a great two way player. But without a true point guard, they not going nowhere.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, I agree. It was glaring. It was glaring today too. They needed Friva and Fleet. They need somebody who can kind of get everything together. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Uncle Joe]

Get them together. You know, when things get a little crazy, you got to need somebody who can calm everybody down and make sure we get a great shot. But they was held to skill to a lot of times out there, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They were. My thing is, Joe Ojo, you need a point guard. Y' all mean to tell me that CP got that kind of baggage? Don't nobody want him. He can't help nobody in this situation. I ain't saying you got to sign him for the next five years, but he can't help somebody in a playoff run.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, ain't nobody to pick him. I don't. Oh, he probably wasn't getting what he probably wasn't getting getting them phone calls. I can. Ocho just.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, he was.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

It's not a, it's not a sub zero. It's a little ice chest, but damn it gonna keep the meat cool.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Dam. Hey, you know, hey, back in the day, Joe, you know, we had them ice chest. We throw the ice and put the meat on top of that. The refrigerator gone out.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, back then, ice, I think ice was like 50 cent a bag or something like that. Get you about three or four bags and put that ice and put that meter, put that meter in the ice chest.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, listen, you know, as you age, you get up in them 40s and you under six two, you know, it's tough to play. It's tough to continue to play. Uncle Ocho. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Them keep running.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Like you, you, you gonna have to be up there 6, 7, 6, 8, 6, 9. Be able to play in your 40s to where you can still control the game a little bit. You know what I mean?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah. Yeah, yeah. If. If. Joe, you make a very good point. As you get older, the smaller you are, the harder it is for you to control the game. See, LeBron can control the game because he's 6, 9.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Luca still will be able to control the game because he's 6, 7, 6, 8. Yeah, joke. It should be able to control the game because he's seven foot.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But when. When you lose foot speed and you're six foot tall and these young boy, hey, these young kids now, man, they got back. They got jet packs on, hear me? They not walking the ball up. That old Joe you remember back in it when you first got in the league, guys would walk the ball up. Yeah, they pushing this ish. They get that ball.

[Uncle Joe]

Listen, on May Bassett, I seen the spurs catch a fast break and they just got scold on. They scored right before Houston even get back. Like, I'm like, the game is played at such a high pace, bro. It's like even watching it, you be so. You be like, come on, man, they could have got a better shot than that because it's just come down. Boom, boom, past three, three, three, layup, floater. Don't you know what I mean? It's just the game's so different now, bro. And that's what I'm talking about. Houston seemed like they was like two, three steps slower than the spurs tonight.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Houston want to play at a half court set because they got a tremendous half court player in. Kevin Durant. They got Shangoon. They can put you in the pick and roll. He can roll, he can pop. Kd, you know what KD is. But these young teens, they not really trying to play half court.

[Uncle Joe]

You got track shoes on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, yeah, you want to keep up with us? Don't bring your team, don't bring your work boots, bring your track shoes. We run it. We run it. Oh, I know you see, you ain't doing a word you from, baby, you a handle. I had steel toe boots, Joe. I don't know. I know your grandfather, your dad probably had steel toes. Yeah, you had them steel toe boots, them bro games, you know, you put in a. If you had steel throw boots, you know damn well you put in a hard day.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on. Why you do me like that?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You had no damn.

[Joe Johnson]

I used to work on the docks at the port of Miami. Down here, I had to wear. Still. Still. I was a longshoreman.

[Uncle Joe]

What you. What you were doing on the dock?

[Joe Johnson]

I was a longshoreman. That at the Port of Miami. You heard me, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So you long shore.

[Uncle Joe]

Everything that come in, you get. You have.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm doing all them containers, man, off off them ships and them lows. Come in, Joe. Hey, out working the crane, Joe. No, I'm telling you, Joe, I was a longshoreman. Ask about me, Joe. Yeah, I had still. You got to wear steel toe boots, Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey. My grandfather worked on the railroad. He always had steel toe.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Hey, I had my steel toe boots and I had my overalls, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, no lie. But back to what we said, Joe. Being in the south and working, you, you know damn well you saw somebody with some steel toe boots and this is when you know when the COVID has started to roll off the front of them and you could actually see the steel.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That much that boy work.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, he working. He working.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He don't put some work in.

[Uncle Joe]

Man. Listen, she talking about.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, but the spurs, they beat the Rockets. Stay close. They're still the number two seed thanks to a 145, 120 victory over the Houston Texas. The spurs place four guys with double in double with 20 plus points and allowed. And Houston allowed a season most 56 points in the paint. Well, Houston, you gonna lose a lot of games if you let a team shoot 58% from the floor and 52% from the three. You lose it.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, you ain't beat nobody with them no more. 145 points.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nicola Jokic. Who said Nicola is Nicola Jokic says he's glad he's retired. He's retiring soon before Wemby takes over the NBA. He's changing basketball. I'm glad that I'll probably retire before when he'll hold the entire league in a chokehold. Hey, never seen anything like it.

[Joe Johnson]

So.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So you've never seen a guy that tall, that skill. You can put the ball on the floor, can shoot the ball from three, let Kevin the Grant can shoot it. But he, that man is like five, six inches taller than kd. Yeah. And on the defensive end it's like somebody. Joe, it's like you holding up two broomsticks in a leg. You know who it is.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, uncle. Hey, Uncle Joe. Hey. Shouldn't, should. Wim is basically. Should be the face of the NBA then, huh? Or the fact that he doesn't have that charisma personality like Anthony Edwards. Would he not be the first ver choice for it being that he's probably going to be the one to dominate the NBA for. For the next 10, what, 15 years depending on how long he decides to play.

[Uncle Joe]

Well, I think globally, you know, he, he puts a. He brings in a great brand because that's what the NBA wants to go.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep.

[Uncle Joe]

You know they. It's going to be games over and you know you during the season the guy's going to be playing games over there and in Paris and stuff like that. So it only helps the game if you ask me, man. But to be the face of the NBA. Ocho, he got a chance, bro. If he win a championship for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's just hard. I mean, things are going to change. It's different now because you talk about an American sport and a foreign born player being the face of an American sport.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's not like baseball, but because baseball for the most part has always had Latin players. They've always had, you know, they've always had Korean, Japanese started coming over when you had Hideki Nomo and Matt started coming, but they've already, they've always had Latin players. Yeah, always. Always. It's different. Baseball has always been a, a universal, a world game. Basketball just became that, say the last 30 plus years.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Once the, they sent the, the NBA to the Olympics in 92. That's what everybody, that's when the Dirks and that's when everybody's like, well, damn, that's what I want to do. That's what I want to be.

[Uncle Joe]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And so now, and because if you really think about it, the top five, six, seven players are foreign. They're Canadians, they're Serb, they're Slovenian, they're Greek, they're French, they're not American. Yeah, you got to go far. I mean, nobody's taking. You're not taking not one American player over Luca, you're not taking one over Jokic, you're not taking one over Shay, you're not taking one over Greek freak. You're not, you're not. You take your best, you take Jason Tatum, you take whomever you say is your best American player, and I guarantee you, you're not taking them over Jokic, Giannis, Luca, Shea, you're not. And I'm not so sure you take even Wimby in his third year. I'm not sure you're taking one over Wimby. So that's five right there.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The world is not as deep as America, but it's definitely okay. You got a couple of in Greece and you got a couple in Slovenia and Serbia and Canada, X, Y and Z. But as far as just depth. Yeah, American got it. But those guys grow up playing together like Zion and, and, and, and Job was on the same AAU team.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All those Freeze kids, they played together their whole life growing up.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, they grew up the Serbs, the

[Chad Ochocinco]

Slovenians, they played together their whole life growing up the Greek team. They played together their whole life.

[Uncle Joe]

And they started playing pro professional basketball a lot earlier over there overseas Ocho versus over here, you know what I mean? Like, they may be playing pro over there at 13, 14 years old.

[Joe Johnson]

So you develop a little faster, huh?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. There you go. There you go.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Luka been playing pro since he was 14.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Unc, can I ask you a question?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

Would you really take Luka over like an ant man or Jason Tatum?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I would.

[Uncle Joe]

It's your preference.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, look, I think the thing is, is that Luca kicks a lot today. Luca was locked in, and we're gonna talk about that a little bit. He locked in, caught him a couple of charges. Poked the ball out from the back l baller today. But that's scoring, right? He about to have his, I think, his fourth season where he's averaged 30. He's 26. He's 26. Yeah. He gonna put. Yeah, look, he gonna take bad shots. He's very unorthodox. He's gonna take some bad shots and he gonna complain. He gonna shoot a shot and he's looking and he's got room and laid it up on the other end. That's. That's just what it is.

[Uncle Joe]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But I think the thing is, and I, I. You talk about a guy that's been. He was the first team all NBA selection for five consecutive years. Five.

[Uncle Joe]

Luca the Dawn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, but it's just that if he were to stop complaining, I don't, I don't. I don't need him to sit in the chair, Joe. I don't need him to do that. Just don't get beat on the initial drive. Can you do that? That's all I want you to do. If he's trying to beat you on initial drive, cut him off, make him pull it back off or make him give the ball up. That's all I need, Joe. Because if he beats you on the initial drive, help gotta come. If help somebody compromise, somebody else open.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, well, I'm sorry to tell you,

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's all I need.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, he a bad boy. He a bad boy. But when it comes sliding them puppies, he ain't giving you no two slides. He might give you one, and that's a rap after that. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't know what got him in the day, though, Joe. I don't know what got him today. But Luca, he was kind of locked in today. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

I think, I think him knowing LeBron wasn't playing, you know, he know he had to lock in a little more, you know what I mean? Like, you ain't got Braun out there, you know, you gotta be great, you know what I mean? Like, you and Austin gonna have to carry us tonight. I think they Knew. He knew that from the start.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, I mean, this is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Austin looked really good tonight. He was. He was aggressive. Put the ball on the plank. Put the ball on the floor. Getting to the paint. Lucas. Luca. When Luca making shot. Excuse me, guys. When Lucas making shots like that you had. You just hope he missed that man. Take a one legged shot from 28ft, fall out of bounds, sitting into the next bench. What the hell you gonna do? The other night he kissed one off the glass from 29ft. What the hell you gonna do with that?

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, you hook up on him, he

[Chad Ochocinco]

can get by you. He's so herky jerky.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's so unorthodox. He ain't. He's not gonna beat you with speed. He's bigger than you think. He's stronger than you think. You looking at his body like, ah, this milk toast. I'm about to cook him. Okay, Cook him. Okay. Cook him.

[Uncle Joe]

It don't seem like he's supposed to be making some of the shots he take, but he took 16 threes tonight. Huh? He was five for 16 from the three. He took 25 shots. That boy don't mind shooting that side step, going left to that three. Doing?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nope. And on the fast break. Hey, hey. He'll put. Hey. He'll stop and let it go. Hey, but you look, he gonna have a high usage rate. He gonna. Look, the likelihood of him ever shooting 50% is not good because of the shot selection that he takes. He's not taking. You know, I mean, you. You look at him in the shots, you're like, Luca. You just gotta accept it.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You just gotta accept it.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Cause you. You want him to be aggressive. You want him to assert himself. You don't wanna. You can't take that away. Especially when LeBron's not playing you. Even when LeBron is playing, you still want him to be himself. But hey, hey, when you look at them Nicks, man, I told you. Hey, this season we're lost.

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[Uncle Joe]

How it's supposed to end. Your boy Yana is going to be in New York. I don't know how Bridges played 27 minutes and then scratch Lee. I mean, how they gonna win? They can't win like that, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

He got in power trouble early.

[Uncle Joe]

He can't get.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He tried. First of all, he tried to be aggressive with Luca and Luke is going to use that against you. He gonna get you on his back and then he gonna stop and then you gonna jump and he gonna boot you, bump it from the back. And then guess what you had free throw line. That's the same thing you. I mean and I think the thing is you want to try to get up in the Luca. You want to try to be physical with him because that's the thing, be physical with him. You try to take advantage of him. You put him in the pick and roll because he's their weakest defender. If you could say the Lakers have a weak defender. A weak is because they got a lot of weak defenders, but he might be the weak is. So you try to put him in the pick and roll. You try to get physical with him because you know to say the same thing about European Players, they're not that physical. You know, you get physical with Yic and you get physical with him, yada, yada, I get all that. And so, you know, and he's probably done cried so much he's like, man, I'm tired of the joke of crying. I don't want to hear him cry tonight. So let's call some fouls. And he went to the free throw line. Because remember Joe, we talked about it the other night. He went to the free throw line 10 times. The other night he went to the free throw line four times.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah, he, yeah, he went to the line 10 times. Yeah, but they, they, they, they need him to be like this though. He, he, he has to be aggressive because his offense is his defense, fellas. You know what I mean? Like if, if, if that, if that's the case, he completely took Bridges out of the game. He was a non factor, you know what I mean? So yes, he done his job in that, in that part. But they, they gonna need these other guys to step up, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean if you play, if you go against Luca, you got to give them at least half give you. Because if you don't, I mean, he gave you 35, Bridges gave you nothing. So he's plus 35 in that aspect.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So you got to have him up at, at bare minimum you like to play him to a tie. Now the thing is, Joe, and the same thing with, with SGA or any play, Joe, if they get their numbers, let's just say Luca gets 30, 35 and it takes him 30 shots. Joe, I've done my job. Yeah, I've done my job. Yeah. If Shay gets 35 and it takes him 28, 29 shots to get it, I've done my job. What I can't do is allow him to get 35 on 16, 17.

[Uncle Joe]

There you go, there you go.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cuz now I know he's being extremely efficient now. He ate them 16 threes that he took. He made 11 of them. Now, now I'm in trouble, right? That's the thing with a score. If you get your numbers and I make, and I make you get those numbers being inefficient.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, you gotta, hey, you gotta shake his hand.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Quarterback throw for 300, 350 yards oo and it taking 57 attempts. I can't do nothing about that. I just can't let him have 350 on 30 attempts.

[Uncle Joe]

Right, right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Because that just means if he got 350 or 30 attempts. Ocho, he probably completed 25 of them.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, you know. You know, the funny thing about it is depending on who they play, when you. When you. When you play these special players, obviously, like a Shay, like a Luca, like a Joker, like a Wimby, and if you don't have a player that. That has the green light to be able to shoot in volume to match their point total, there has to be something else you can do to be able to stop them. Huh? Hey, Joe. Something else to slow him down. But every time we. Every time we come on and we talk about the game of basketball and how difficult it is to slow them down, how difficult it is to contain them, I mean, it's. It's.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It.

[Joe Johnson]

It's bad. Especially when they only give you. Well, Luca in general, since that's who we talk about. They only give you on one end of the court.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They only give you. Do you realize that Wimby has more blocks than Joker in his career?

[Joe Johnson]

How? He just got in the NBA.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Exactly. That's just going to show you. That's my point.

[Uncle Joe]

Thank you. Yeah, Joker ain't blocking no shot.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, that's not. That's not his game. His game is, is that I'm gonna punish you so bad.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So bad on the offensive end, and I'm gonna get my teammates involved so much that you ain't gonna be able to do nothing. And if you don't, like I said, that's why he killed. Look, if you go back and look at his numbers against Gobert, because Gobert can't make him work, he's not gonna give you anything on the other end. So now Joker is just free to do whatever. Whatever he's gonna do.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

60 point, you know, triple double or whatever he's had.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hold. You hold. I told you. You got.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You. You gotta make a guy. You gotta make a guy like Jordan. You got to make a guy like Kobe. You got to make them work on the other end. If you don't, if you let them coast,

[Uncle Joe]

gotta make them uncomfortable and.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And let them use all that energy on the offensive end, you in trouble. You better make that baby work on the defense. And you got to make him guard somebody.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Facts, facts.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's why they always took Larry and put him on the week. You take Larry Bird and you put him on the weakest offensive guy. Want you to say that. Injy, I need you to bust their ass on the other end. That's why I always tip my hat to something like a. Like a Kobe or Jordan or these guys that are offensive guys and say, you know what, I want the defensive challenge as well.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Because it takes a lot. You got to exert a lot and everybody can't do that. Now Jordan didn't have a luxury that he had Scotty, so he could easily like, you know what, A.K. scotty. And you talk about a guy that's six foot seven, that's have long arms that could slide his feet as well as a smaller player, but everybody don't got that.

[Uncle Joe]

You have to want to dominate the game, bro. They wanted to dominate the game. I'm talking about from start to finish. Yes, they wanted to dominate the game. It was no way that you had a chance to win, which is why they picked back then back in the day when you look like we always talk about the top four to eight teams in the NBA. Really probably four or five. They play tough defense, bro. They play extended pressure. They pick you up full, weigh you down like they were doing KD tonight, picking them up full, wearing him down. That's what they gonna do to you the whole entire game. And hopefully in the fourth quarter, you ain't got enough energy to continue to play at that peak level. You know what I mean? Yep. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The Lakers beat the Knicks 110 to 97. LeBron James was a late scratch, due elbow contusion, arthritis in his right. His left foot. Excuse me, but LA held the number three team on offense to just 47. Excuse me. Under 43% shooting with 19 turnovers, which is 20 points below the Knicks season average. Like I said, OG excuse me. Mikhail Bridges only gave him zero points, but you look at Rui came in, played really well. He gave him 13 points on three or eight from three. Marcus Smart. Hey, he a defensive guy, but he didn't shoot the ball well today. But you had. Luca had 35, Austin Reeves had 25. And like I said, Joe, you and I, we talking about this Luke Canard. Yeah, Luke Canard has been a content cuz. They basically swapped Luke Canard for Gabe Vincent.

[Uncle Joe]

There you go.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Gabe Vincent. Look, they got him after he had that great run with Miami. You know, he was a guy that made some three, was a three and D guy, but it's. I don't know what it is, but when guys can shoot the ball wherever they are until they come to the Lakers or they team up with LeBron and all of a sudden they forget how to shoot the ball.

[Uncle Joe]

Too much pressure.

[Joe Johnson]

It's different over there wearing that jersey, huh? It's different over there wearing that. That. Purple and gold, huh?

[Uncle Joe]

A big city, bright lights, man. It's a little different. Hey, you know. You know what's going on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Expectations. The number one kill, the number one killer is expectations. We've seen. We've seen guys with nothing expected. We've seen guys when nothing was expected or teams when nothing is expected of them. And. And then. Whoa. And then the next year when they have those expectations, what they do. Because now we have expectations where we didn't have that last year. You have expectations on a player where we didn't have that last year. So let's see now what they. Now that they know what you can do, they know who you are, they know what type of team you are.

[Joe Johnson]

Can you still do it again?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, that's. That's. That's the hard part, man. You have to. You have to be hungry for success to do that, bro. Like to want to do it over and over.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I thought they did a great job of. They didn't turn. They only had 13 turnovers. The Lakers. Luca had almost half of those. Yeah, but he's. He. Look, he has a high usage rates. The ball's gonna be in his hand. When you have the ball that much, it's hard for you not to turn it over in an abundance. It just is. Most guys that lead in usage gonna be up there in. In turnovers. Just the way. Go back and look at guys that's led in usage and see their turnovers where they rate. Yeah, but this was a big way. They was. This was a big win for them. They. They needed it.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, it was. It was a huge game, too. Huge game. Yeah, they. Hey, they. I'm telling y', all, man, if the Knicks don't do what they supposed to do this year, your boy. That's where your boy gonna be at. Watch. Watch what I tell you about the

[Joe Johnson]

young boy from Greece.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Greek.

[Joe Johnson]

Should have did that this. This season, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, he. Well, you talking about. Hold on. He talking about he don't want no ball. Dominic Garde, what do you think, bro? They gonna trade Brunson?

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, listen, he go, hey, look, he gonna have to deal with this. You're gonna have to get with it because we. We got a plan now. Yeah. Ain't nobody trying to hear all that, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But if you think about it, with the exception of maybe San Antonio or for you, every. All the really good teams got their ball dominant.

[Uncle Joe]

That's what I'm saying.

[Chad Ochocinco]

If they got the ball with okc, who got. Who got who. Who has the ball with the Lakers, who have, I mean, I don't think Boston's gonna break up their team. Boston swings the ball. They're not swinging. Cade has the ball. So I'm just trying to figure out where he think he gonna go.

[Joe Johnson]

And somebody as great as, as the Greek freak is, right. You don't think he can adapt to a different situation where you don't have to touch the ball all the time? As great as you are.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's not who, that's how he, that's, no, that's not who he is. He's not kd.

[Uncle Joe]

His, his numbers won't be as gaudy as they are now. It won't be 30 and 15.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nope.

[Uncle Joe]

He might have to take it down, Uncle Ocho. Take it down about 20, 24, 25, and 12 or something, I'm saying. And be able to win the championship.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Uncle Joe]

Man, what you doing over there? What y' all doing in Milwaukee over there? Y' all ain't got nothing going.

[Chad Ochocinco]

True.

[Uncle Joe]

You ain't got nothing going. Would you.

[Joe Johnson]

So I'm just saying, hypothetically speaking, if he is to go to the Knicks, so that means basically, if he does bring the ball up, I mean. Nah, that don't make no sense.

[Uncle Joe]

He would have times. Ocho. I'm not, I'm not saying they gonna take the ball out his hands, but it just probably won't be as much. Yeah, we, we got options.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We can, you know, y' all just gotta have a high usage rate. Look at Yanis's useless rage. He got to be top five.

[Uncle Joe]

Some good games today, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I, I, I think the thing is, all things being equal, Joe, Giannis really prefers, because Giannis knows he's gonna be looked at differently if he leaves now. Because we look at all the guy. What do we, what do we commend Jordan for? He won six championships in one spot. What did Kobe do? Five championships in one spot. Tim Duncan, one spot. Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, one spot. Steph Curry, one spot. What do we criticize? LeBron, KD.

[Joe Johnson]

But hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Giannis knows what comes.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on, Joe, but look at the team. Look at, look at all the players you named that done it in one spot. Look at the teams that were built around those said players that you just mentioned. The teams where LeBron has played for, did they have anything that matches up or were even equivalent to the other four on the team that they played?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Care about that, Ocho, People don't care about that. No, they I, we do. Joe, do basketball. A lot of basketball people does. If you're not trying to paint a narrative, because what they say if you is great. If you're the goat, you should be able to win a championship regardless of who you play with.

[Joe Johnson]

That's tough. That other four. Joe, you know that supporting cast matter. That's. That's in any sport,

[Uncle Joe]

man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Teams. See, the thing is, as long as the team control. What a team traded him. So now the team traded you. That's. That's okay. But if I request to go to a team because the team isn't good enough, or the team trades me because they want to bring a player in to try to win, right now I want to go somewhere because you not bringing players in to try to win, and I want to go somewhere. You use that against me.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, Yeah. I just don't. I don't want to see a situation where Giannis gets stuck in a situation to where he's playing meaningless basketball.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ain't nobody doing that.

[Uncle Joe]

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Like, I. I know he's been there his whole entire career, and he probably don't want to uproot and move to. But this is a different era, Unc. This ain't. This ain't. You know what I mean?

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's not the 80s and 90s.

[Uncle Joe]

Nah, this ain't. This ain't that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Like, these guys, they caught KG in that situation. KG came into the 90s and guys were loyal, didn't want to leave until they're on their last. Last legs. And kg.kg probably stayed four years too long in Minnesota. Kg.kg was supposed to be. And got up out of there. But KG wanted to be loyal to the soil.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. And he'll tell you he probably wish he would have left early. He could have had him a couple championships. Absolutely. Yeah. So it's like, I know Giannis got one and he want to stick around in Milwaukee. He's saying all the right things, but,

[Joe Johnson]

hey, man, wouldn't it. Wouldn't Dame Lillard also be an example of the same thing? Stand somewhere.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

A little bit too long because you want to be loyal.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But you see, now we put in so much because it's the ring or nothing. See, it used to be. It was. It wasn't like that.

[Uncle Joe]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But this ring culture now, because fans say, well, there have been some great players that don't have rings, and you have second and third and fourth options that. That have rings, and they got people saying they're better than a. A one option that doesn't have rings.

[Uncle Joe]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

There are some guys that got rings and people actually think they're better than Charles Barkley. They're better than Carl Malone. And you're high.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. They tripping.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You're high.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But because people have placed so much value on rings, me, I, I'm. I'm an itest guy. Yeah. Rings. Now, if I'm factoring in Joe, if I'm saying est greatest, I think you have to bring rings into the occasion. And even though I understand that this is a team game, I factor it all back. I factor in regular season MVPs, final MVPs, all NBA, all defensive, all that.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Points, rebounds. I bring all that into the equation because I think you have to when you're saying greatest. But these people, I mean, a lot of people like, oh, he ain't got no rings, he bad. But people like, they crap on Charles Barkley. If you actually saw Chuck play, if you actually saw him play, you'll never see another guy six foot four under lead the NBA. And reboundings he did that dominated. Charles Barkley was a power forward at 6 foot 4. And back then, everybody played with a true 5 and a true boy.

[T-Mobile/US Cellular Representative]

Please.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, everybody had a big. And they had a big ass power forward to go alongside him. So you had Robert Paris at 7 foot, and then you had Kevin McHale at 16. You had Ralph Sampson at 7 4. You had a Kim Elijah wanted 7 foot.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's how everybody played. You had Rick Smith and you had them big ass Davis boys. In Indiana, everybody played that. Everybody played with a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. It wasn't no stretch nothing.

[Uncle Joe]

Nah, no, sir.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And I, look, I get it, but now, I mean, you got guys. Oh, man, he got a ring. He better. There are a lot of guys, there are a lot of receivers that got rings. So if y' all say so now, receiver, they got a ring. He better than Randy. He better than Tio. Okay, I'm gonna let y' all say that. I ain't got to call no name, but there have been some receipts that's won some Super Bowls, and bless them, you, you've been fortunate of a team. I was a part of a team. I ain't winning. I was part of a team that won because I understand that it takes a team to win championships. Boy, let's not fool ourselves now. Let's not fool ourselves. There's some quarterbacks. That's one championships and quarterbacks that have it. Yeah, come on now.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But social media has done that, because what is done is that it's allowed everybody to have opinion and have their.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Whereas. And so. So now. Oh, he better, he better, he better. I listen to the Michael Jordan because I saw that pop up and he's like, like, I ain't gonna get a part of this goat conversation. He said, you know why? He said, because I didn't play against those guys in their era. And. And I didn't play against these guys in these era. He said, it's not to take anything. KD, I think KD and LeBron. He said Kobe. He like, Kobe caught me not in my prime. He called me at the tail end. Yeah, but no. And it's hard. It's hard to compare errors because errors do different things. Some eras, they mainly ran the football. Ocho. So how you gonna say a guy. Well, he only caught. Yeah. L. Swan only caught 300 passes. But the only three. I mean three. I mean, I think he had 300 catches for a career. But they might throw the ball 200 times a season. So if you throw the ball 200 times a season, how many passes you think they gonna catch? When you divide it up between four wide receivers and two tight ends.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And running back stats now are not gonna be like they were. Cause they don't run the ball. Or you got a two back system.

[Uncle Joe]

And he got rid of the running back.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The. Oh, the. Oh, the. The. I don't know. I don't know if we're gonna see Derek Henry might be the last traditional power.

[Uncle Joe]

I can't hear y'.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All. Is it my phone is my back.

[Joe Johnson]

You back, you back. It went out for a little minute.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay. Okay. Huh? No, I thought. Can you hear. You guys hear me now?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought. I thought my stuff had went out over.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I say Jaylen Brown has scored 23 points, nine rebounds, eight assists. At the Celtics beat the Cavaliers, 109 to 98. Jason Tatum in his second game back had 20 points. So after, you know, his second game back, I think he had what, 12 points or 15. No, he had 15 points the first game. With 12 rebounds he had 20. So you see the improvement there. Hit a big three to push the game out of reach. And I think he had a tweet that says, girl, I missed you. I think you said something like that. But he had on 27 minutes. He had 20 points on 6 and 16, shooting 2 or 9 from the 3, 6 or 7 from the free throw line. JB was 7 of 17, 1 of 3, 809 for the 3 point line. He had 23 points Peyton Pritchard, 18 points, 7 12. And hey, I don't know who this kid is, this, this, this left handed scrambler Scrammerman, but man, he was letting that thing fly.

[Uncle Joe]

Amen.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cause every time they got close, he be, hey, he be spotted up in the corner, I'm like, damn, who is he?

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Boston looks scary now though.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, Uncle. Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All right, Joe, Joe, that, hey, Joe, that's, that's when you on the court and somebody hit a three, you like, who the f is he?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, Uncle Joe, I'm, I'm, I'm surprised, you know, I mean, man, Jason, Jason, you know, obviously I was worried, especially coming out coming off that injury, but seeing what he did first game 15 this game, he had 20. And I'm sure, I mean he played 27 minutes a night. And as he gets a little bit more comfortable, gets a little bit more acclimated to the speed of the game and everything catches up, he gets back in rhythm, man. Hell, they might be hell to deal with again. There was already without Jason Tatum. Now you add him back into the fold, you know, I'm sitting here talking about, you know, let Jason Tatum work yourself back in, you know, work yourself back into, into the game. You know, let Jaylen Brown steer the ship. Well, hell, you came back and ain't miss a goddamn beat, man.

[Uncle Joe]

Listen, once he gets back fine tuning Uncle Oo, and that'll be right, right. Probably when the playoffs about to hit.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep.

[Uncle Joe]

He'll be comfortable enough to where he know he got the strength in that leg and that Achilles and he kind of get it out of his mind. Yeah, man, it pushed them right back at the top of the, at the Eastern Conference.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, dang.

[Uncle Joe]

They just, they, they, because it, cause it makes them so deep. And now you got another guy who you can rely on as far as closing out games, managing games, taking the initiative, guarding some of the top guys. Put Boston right back at the top, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, yeah, I, I, I, I think I agree with you. And we're going to talk about Detroit, who's, who's been struggling as of late. I don't know what it is with

[Uncle Joe]

Cleveland, it just, you just don't believe in them at this time of the year, do you?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nope.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, I don't think you should

[Chad Ochocinco]

and I don't think anybody else does

[Joe Johnson]

or should two head, two headed months though.

[Uncle Joe]

It's not they, it's they complimentary pieces. I don't see nobody who's going to win them a game in a playoff In a tough playoff series like you think, Harden, Mitchell and Mobley, they pro, they gonna be solid. I think they'll be good enough to, you know, to, to win a couple games. But they, you're gonna need somebody who, gonna have an out of body experience like Ocho in the postseason for you to, you know, for you to advance, bro. Like you need a little luck when you, when you're in the playoffs.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Like you can have your great players

[Uncle Joe]

play great, but you're gonna need somebody to be able to step up and had one of them nights where they had 18 to 25 points and we get that dub and I just don't see it. Well, I feel like when I watch, when I watch Cleveland play, they have to work so hard to score the basketball that it hadn't really looked real free flowing. Like when you watch Boston, like when you watch okc, like when you watch San Antonio, when you watch these top teams play, they just don't move the ball like that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nope. And, and, and Evan Mobley had a good game today. He had 24 points, eight rebounds.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Donovan Mitchell shot 50 from the floor. He had 30 points. Harden had 19, 10 and four, but that was it. You get seven points from Dean Wade, you get five from Merrill, one or seven from the three for him. Thomas, Bryant, Schroeder, Jalen Tyson. I don't, I, I just don't know. You're not beating, you're not beating anybody with 13. With 13 bench points. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

No, you're in trouble because the one

[Chad Ochocinco]

thing you know about Boston, Peyton Pritchard coming up the bench, he gonna give you 15.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Hey, Mr. E. 35 while you playing. Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, let, let, let, let you know. He like, okay, I'm cool. I'll sit back like JT Back and JB doing what he does. But let one of them be out, right? And see what he do. And then put his ass in the start lineup or let it. Or don't put him in the start lineup, but let him get 35 minutes and see what he do. Let him cook. Let him cook.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

He efficient as hell. And Joe, anytime you get an opportunity, whether it's off the bench or where they're starting, he gonna give you that work.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

When I watched him today, I was like, man, he's shooting. Step back. I mean, he's shooting turnarounds, step backs. Ball high as a mofo.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay. Hey, confidence through the roof. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Swish.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. So look, you know, he's so confident. Cause he done played, he been the starting point Guard a lot throughout this whole season. So his confidence through the roof. He in the right spot. He in the right spot. He need to be in. Come in. Give us that spark plug. Hey, we might need you to go for 30 tonight.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And he can do it.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, with no problem.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think the thing is it's going to take Schroeder some time. Shrewd is a guy that can win your game. We've seen Shroud to play well in the postseason. We saw him play well for the Lakers. We saw him play well last year for Detroit against the. Against the Knicks. So Schroeder has some experience. We'll see how that work out. But they need their big guns. Harden, Donovan, Evan Mobley. Now they were missing Jared Allen, but they're gonna need their big guns to be firing.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Without them firing, they're not. They're not gonna do anything and they're not going anywhere. Detroit.

[Uncle Joe]

Right, right. I agree. The only thing about shooter you got Harden and Mitchell, both of them gonna. One of them gonna always be on the court at all times and they gonna always have the ball in their hands.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And Schroeder needs the ball and Schroeder

[Uncle Joe]

kind of needs the ball. So it's hard for him to be effective. You know what I mean?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep. Pistons were blown out by the Miami Heat. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. By. They were blown out by who?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Blowing out the number one seed. They blew a 20 something point lead. The Bucks. Excuse me. Detroit did. Blew a 20 something point lead to Brooklyn and ended up losing. Tobias Harris had nine. Jaylen Duran had 24. Cade was efficient today. Only 18. Only had 26, Paul Reed. But this game wasn't even close.

[Uncle Joe]

Nah, you just. You don't have enough firepower. Detroit, offensively, like that's a great game by Cade. But for them to win, Uncle Ocho, like I said, he always has to play lights out, kind of over and beyond. Like he probably need about 35 tonight, honestly. But you need these other guys around them to step up, bro. And be effective and be able to help. I don't know what's wrong with Detroit, man. They have tape, but I don't know if they got bored cause they got such a big lead on everybody or what.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, I'm trying to figure out what happened to Norman Powell, why they're not playing him. The guy that could have been an all star.

[Uncle Joe]

He was all stuff.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All Star.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, he was all star. Yeah. He must be hurt.

[Chad Ochocinco]

DMP coach's decision. But Detroit's gonna have to do better defensively. I mean, man, they let six guys getting double figures. Bam had 24, Tyler Hero had 25, Pale Larson had 10. Jaime Hake of 19, Kale Warehouse 12.

[Joe Johnson]

But you also. Hey, hey, Uncle Joe. But y' all both got to understand. Chat. Y' all also have to understand what the Pistons had to deal with tonight. The Pistons were playing the best team in the East. You hear me? Playing the best team in the East. So y' all sitting here confused on why Detroit look and why they've tape it off. But hello, look who you playing? You playing the best team? Probably. Probably the team that gonna come out East. It might not look like it right now, but I'm just telling you what's gonna happen.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They're not.

[Joe Johnson]

Wait, come again? What you said?

[Uncle Joe]

Okay, I don't got them coming out the east of show, but they gonna. They'll make. They'll make some noise. They got some guys who capable and guys who can go off and have big games and, and they well coached, bro. You know, them dudes ain't gonna really do a whole lot to hurt themselves. You know, you just got to be disciplined when you play them. But they, I mean, this don't surprise me that they beat Detroit. I think they definitely capable of doing that. I just. You talk about a series.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, Joe, hold on. Joe, don't do that now. We talk about this. We talk about a seven game series. What? It's a rap, you know?

[Uncle Joe]

You know what you mean? It's a ration.

[Joe Johnson]

What you mean? What I mean? We got this.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

We ride.

[Uncle Joe]

You don't believe.

[Joe Johnson]

We rise to the occasions in moments that matter. So in the seven game series, if, if it happens, which is going to happen when we come out east, you know, somebody going home, I don't know who it's gonna be, but the fat lady gonna sing. You don't believe in the Heat?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. Okay. Can I ask. Can I can ask you a question?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You not believing in the heat, Are you willing to put money in that belief or you just saying it? Because you just, you just.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They're not coming out the East. Yes, I put money on the heat. Are not coming out of the East.

[Joe Johnson]

All right. We're gonna leave it at that. I want you to remember these words. I want Ash, I want you to clip this statement from unc. And we want. Keep it at that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. But during Joe, he can't give you 24 and five.

[Uncle Joe]

What do you need?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Seven foot tall, he got to be double digit rebounds.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, he. He need to be Double digit rebounds. But they don't get like, you know, Bam don't really. He, he the center, but he like the point center. He kind of like similar to Yic. Like he'll bring it up, he'll initiate the offense so he ain't just under the basket all the time. You know what I mean? So you, that's what you want to have. You want to have a big. Who can pull them big guys away from that basket and get them to where they are uncomfortable. And I think that's pretty much what happened because Bam, he had a great game today. He had a great game today too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, the Bam got up 10 threes.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, he been shooting the three lately. He been shooting three later. But they, they look good. You know, Miami does this Ocho. You know, they come out, they have a great game, they play well, they get them a nice little seed and then, you know, it'll be, it'll be first round. I'm just keeping it real, man. You, you want me to be honest, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

I want you to be honest, Joe. But didn't you play, didn't you play for the Heat, Joe?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, I played for the Heat way. Had a good old time.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't, I don't, I don't like your tone. I only. I, I don't like what you. I don't like what you putting out there in the atmosphere. The tongue is powerful, Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

I have to be honest when I'm on here talking to you, I have to be honest.

[Joe Johnson]

So that's, that's, that's. So that's. Both of y' all don't have no faith in the heat?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nope.

[Joe Johnson]

All right, say less.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nope. Meanwhile, the Pistons have lost four games in a row. Oh, Joe, Joe, is it time to panic?

[Uncle Joe]

Nah, ain't no time to panic, man. They gotta get, they just gotta get back. They gotta get it back together. Like I said, they got such a big lead on everybody in the East. I think they didn't got a little bored, Uncle. Oo me personally, you know what I mean? Oh, man, we got a few game we probably could squander over, but they gotta, they, they gotta get back on track now this thing winding down, I don't like that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

For the simple fact you ain't won nothing to be bored. Yeah, you should get tired. You should get bored of winning champion. I mean, people get sometimes and you have a little low when you won a championship. They ain't one nothing.

[Uncle Joe]

You right, you right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm concerned because you lost to the Nets. You got a 20 something point lead and you lose to the Nets. You can't lose to the Nets.

[Uncle Joe]

That's why, that's why, that's why I put it toward them getting bored. Because I'm like, man, they were beating the Nets head in. It's like. And you lose that game, man, you done got bored, bro. You, I, I don't know what to tell you. Like you need to, you know, get it back in gear, but you know, it's starting to wind on down, man. I expect for them to tighten up, make this late run.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe. I think they're all right, Uncle Joe. You know, even in battle, some of the best sluggers go in the slumps. You hear me?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You know they gonna be straight.

[Chad Ochocinco]

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