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Ocho
Mm, yeah, but I'm not itching to
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Ocho
Here he is.
Joe
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Chad
I'm hype. I'm hype.
Joe
Ant man played 40 minutes. He had 36 points, six rebounds, two assists, 13 of 22. But Julius Randle had 12 points. Jaden McDaniels had 14 points. Rudy Gobert had a double double, 11 and 13. Nas Reed chipped in with 15 points. He was three or three from the free throw line. Mike Conley perfect from the field, two or two field goals, two or two from the three point line. Terence Shannon Jr. Had eight points. So basically everybody that played scored at least eight points with six of those guys in double figures. Give San Antonio credit. They held they, they played extremely well without their best player on the court. But I think it was just a little bit too much for them to overcome. Dylan Harper was sensational tonight. Castle played well. Versaille, de' Aaron, Fox, Champagne, guys played well. But Vic, you know, you get your, your best player only plays 12 minute guys. You're asking an awful lot. You're not talking about just a regular starter. You talk about a defensive player of the year. We're talking about an MVP candidate. And you saw the stat that they put on the screen. You look, they were 8 for 18 in pink, but then he leaves the game, they're 6 for 8. And I believe that was the difference in the ball game. Joe, we got ourselves a series. Now it goes back to San Antonio. The, the spurs did what they wanted to do. They came in and they got at least one game they wanted to make, extend this series, and that's what they were able to do. They would have loved to gotten both of these ball games, and there's a chance they could have, but they didn't. How was Minnesota able to withstand everything that San Antonio threw at him and still come away with a victory?
Ocho
Well, I mean, okay, Ocho, we gotta be honest, you know, without Wimby, it's a pretty even damn game. Yes, sir, if you want me to be honest. This is for people who really enjoy, you know, the game of hoops. Like when you talk about getting buckets, when you're talking about growing up playing in the park, bro. And you know, Anka, Ocho, you got guys who can really score the ball and you got guys who can defend. I think this was. If you love two way players, this was great because you got Castle, Vassell, Fox, Harper. Man, all these guys are great off the dribble, but so is ant man, desamu, McDaniels, Shannon. I just thought, man, it was great basketball. Once Wemby went out, hell, I ain't know who was gonna win. I'm gonna be honest with you. Yeah, I thought Fox got it going late, and Wimby's the biggest difference maker, man. Timberwolves have made this a series. But, bruh, I'm talking about bucket after bucket, tough defense, making tough baskets, like, just coming up clutch. Hey, look, let me tell you something. If you playing with that basketball around Fox, partner, he probably gonna get his hands on it, okay? That boy is sitting down, babe.
Chad
Man.
Ocho
Hey, hey, Ocho. Some ball, man. The game tonight, I ain't gonna lie to you. But without Wimpy, I mean, I think the spurs are still. They still competed. Yeah. At one point, I thought they were really gonna pull away and win this game.
Joe
I did, too.
Ocho
But Minnesota did what they had to do, bro. They evened up the series. Now they got to go back to San Antonio. But a hell of a ball game tonight.
Chad
Yeah. Hey, uncle and Joe, I was kind of nervous. I was kind of nervous for the Wolves, obviously, when Wendy went out early in the second quarter. Obviously, he has to learn to keep his composure, especially in situations like that. But this is exactly what you want to do to their best player. You want to antagonize them, you want to frustrate him, you want to be in a jersey, you want to be in a ch. And get him to have moments like this, you know? But almost. It seemed like the spurs were still going to pull us off until the Wolves were able to come away with it towards the end of the game. That goddamn Ant, man, was phenomenal. Ant was phenomenal. And obviously he was playing on both ends. They were trying to trap him a little bit. But one of the reasons why I think the Wolves did win this game, free throws. They were 91 from three, three point from three point line. They were 37 and they went on the glass. It was 49. Outside of that. I mean, you got to figure out what you're gonna do with Wimby. And game four. Wait, game four, game five? Game five?
Ocho
Yeah.
Joe
Game five? Yeah.
Chad
Game five. You got to find a way to neutralize him in some kind of way of slowing down. If you can't slow him down, you know he gonna always get his. You got to deal with the other folk. You got to deal with other four people outside of that. That was a goddamn good. That was a good ass game.
Joe
It was an outstanding ball game. Both teams competed. That's what you wanted to see. You hate to see Wimby get thrown out of the ball game, but I thought in that situation he earned the right to get thrown out because he. It was excessive. It was above the head and shoulder area. I mean, it caught him cold in the jaw. But the thing was so surprising is that when they said it over to PA Announcer. You see him grab.
Ocho
Yeah.
Joe
Some Barnes and said, what does that mean?
Chad
What does that mean?
Joe
Yeah, he said, you're out of the game. He's like, oh. And you know, because he had, he had no idea. You know, he heard flagrant too excessive and X, Y and Z. He didn't know. He had no idea. I don't think he realized that he could be thrown out. And he definitely didn't think he was going to be thrown out because a lot of times Joe and Ocho, you know this in certain situations, the playoff game in a regular season, it's a no brainer. They ain't even taking that long, right? They, they going over there to look. Oh yeah, man, that's. That's excessive. He up out of here. But they like guys, we gotta throw him out. Did you see the force in which he landed that? And it was malicious and it doesn't matter. Intent. Intent only matters to Wimby because guess what, Nas Reed, y' all was still locked and he's at his on the floor and his head is hurting. So it doesn't matter if it was he intended to do it or not. I don't think they really had a choice in that matter, but I Want to commend the San Antonio Birds for still competing the way they competing because this game really didn't get decided until like the last 30 seconds in the ball game because they almost got eight second clock, eight second call because they had the sumo trapped in the back corner.
Ocho
Yeah.
Joe
One thing you don't want to do in a situation like that, Joe, you know, you don't want to get caught in the corner because they know where you can go. You can't throw the ball up because you mess around and hit the back of the back of the. Hit the goal. Hit the goal.
Ocho
Yeah.
Joe
And can't nobody. You can't see anybody. So they had him trapped. Good thing Chris Finch had one more time out. He ran and Williams was able to see him. The referee was able to see him and get that call. But they almost got him in an 8 second clock. And it's been very interesting to see what happened after that. Go ahead, Ocho.
Chad
Now, I have a question, Uncle Joe. You, you, y' all would probably know better than I do. And when, when you get thrown at a game like this, obviously you still have to, you still got to get disciplined. They not. Will they go as far as suspending Wimby for Game 5 or they just let this go?
Ocho
I don't think they'll suspend.
Joe
No, they're not gonna suspend it for game five. He'll get fined.
Chad
Okay, okay.
Joe
Yeah. Anytime you get thrown out of a ball game, it's a fine.
Chad
Okay.
Joe
No, they're not gonna, they're not gonna sue. That'll be excessive. And they're not gonna. And, and you know you're not. Because the one thing you don't want to do is tilt the, the balance of power. Now, we've seen it happen before, Joe. I don't know if you were still there when a start when, when, when Amari staught him on them. You got, they got.
Ocho
I was gone.
Joe
You remember that? And Robert or bumped him and they came off and they shoved him and David Stern threw their ass out and he suspended him for the next game. And it really wasn't a series. It wasn't, it wasn't even, it wasn't even close after that because you lose Robert Ori, but you lose two star players from the San Antonio Phoenix Sun. But I don't think that's going to be the case in this situation. And because the game was already over in that situation in the Phoenix San Antonio game, it was only like what, a minute to go in the ball game. So you had to have some sort of discipline, because you don't want guys coming off the bench. That's why they say, if you own the bench, stay your ass there. Because normally, if you come off the bench, it's going to be an automatic suspension.
Chad
Right?
Joe
But in this situation, I do not see Wimby getting any further discipline. But I think in that situation, it's not a prank where he earned.
Ocho
He, He. He.
Joe
He earned that. He didn't deserve it. He earned it. Well, bro, look how he threw that thing.
Chad
Yeah, he. He threw that thing with some conviction now. And, you know, and, and, and, and for him, it's kind of out of character, too. We haven't seen him act like this. But it's also a good thing. I'm not gonna let y' all push and shove me around and think y' all just gonna handle me any old kind of way.
Ocho
No, hey, hey. Nah, it ain't no damn good thing. Ojo. Control your damn emotions out there.
Chad
Hold on, Joey. Talk about basketball. Now, we see this happen all the time.
Ocho
Now, listen, listen. This is what the Timberwolves are designed to do. Hell, how you gonna stop Wimby? We gonna get his ass up out of here.
Joe
Yeah.
Chad
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just said that.
Ocho
You're right. Right. You're right. Do whatever we can to frustrate him. Putting our hands on him.
Chad
Yes, sir.
Ocho
Putting bodies on him. For a guy who's 75 Uncle Oo, I ain't seen nobody on the floor as much as him. He hit the floor almost every other play, bro.
Joe
Yes.
Ocho
You know what I mean? And I just think the T. Wolves are being physical with him, and he got a bit frustrated, you know what I mean? That's why when they told him on the bench, he was like, what that mean? And then he just started dapping everybody up because I felt like he kind of knew the intent that he brought with that, and he.
Joe
Yeah, drawback.
Ocho
He was like, okay, fine. You know, that. That my teammates up. Y' all go out here, y' all try and win this game. I'm be in the back.
Chad
He.
Ocho
He. He didn't give no disruption about that.
Joe
Nope.
Ocho
I felt. So he knew. He knew he had done something that he probably shouldn't have. You know what I mean?
Joe
Yes.
Ocho
And.
Joe
And I. Joe and I think come game, I think you're gonna. I think you game five, you're gonna see the best. Wimy. He's gonna come out with intent. He. They're gonna look to get him the ball early. Yeah, they're going to look to establish him and he wants to send a message. Okay, y' all won game four. Y' all got me up out of there, but this is why y' all got me up under there. Because I'm finna get Rudy this work. And don't y' all bring if y' all bring that thing anywhere near,
Ocho
if
Joe
it's in Hennepin County, I'm throwing it up out of here. You better be in Duluth, you better be in St. Paul. You better pay. Don't you bring that to Minneapolis. Because you bring it to Minneapolis. I I'm throwing it up out of here.
Ocho
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Joe
I would not be surprised if he had a triple double. Another triple double with blocks. Because he gonna be on a mission now. He the thing is now you got to control those emotions. It's okay to play with control chaos. Yes sir, because that's what you want. You want control chaos. But as I said, control. And now superhuman. Shaq, I keep telling them not to say that. I'm no superhuman. Believe it or not, I struggle with moderate obstructive sleep apnea, or osa, in adults with obesity. Moderate to severe OSA is a condition where breathing is interrupted during sleep, with loud snoring, choking, gasping for air, and even daytime fatigue. Let's just say it can sound a lot like this. Sound familiar? Learn more@don'tsleeponosa.com this information is provided by Lilly, A medicine company. Amazon Health AI presents Painful Thoughts I can't stop scratching my desk downtown. Yeah, but I'm not itching to go downtown and tell a receptionist I'm here to talk about my downtown. Some things you'd rather type than say out loud. There's no question too embarrassing for Amazon Health AI. Chat your symptoms and get virtual care 24. 7 Healthcare just got less painful.
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Ocho
Hey, hey, but hold up now. Hold up. I want y' all to take heed to something now. It's. It's a guy out there, he's steady getting healthy about a minute. And that's Ant Man. Yeah, he ain't got. He ain't got that full explosion yet, but. And I'm talking about Uncle Ocho. When you talking about get to your spots and understanding the moment. You know, him and Castle got a little Georgia boy.
Joe
Oh, they going back and forth.
Ocho
Yeah, somebody going in. Hey, them boys locking up. Them boys making tough shots, but Ant man in another gear, fellas.
Chad
Yes, sir.
Ocho
I mean, Akin Ocho. I feel like each and every game he's starting to get better. He's starting to gain a little bit of that strength back, but it's hard to stay in front of him. And boy, when he making that jump shot, it's a rap.
Joe
You had his mercy.
Ocho
Hey, listen, if he. If he get one or two of them guys to come along with him. I don't care if it's Randall McDaniel, Shannon. I don't care who it is. Hey, man, they got a good chance to upset these boys, huh? Yeah, they got. Hey, they ain't gay. Hey,
Joe
when. You know what I liked about Ant man today? Minimal three point attempts. Sometimes Joe, he fall in love with that and he's 8, 10, 12, 14. That's too many. And I understand he can make that shot. He's added that to his bag. But it takes him out of a rhythm of being aggressive. And I used to remember Michael Jordan says, well, I don't want to shoot threes. He said, because if it starts to fall, it takes me out of my aggressiveness. I want to be on attack mode. I want to attack your ass. And if I'm sitting at the hit threes, it's gonna make me. It's gonna take me out of my game. And then when I really need it, I'm not there. I don't have that rhythm. And so I thought Ant man today only attempting five three point attempts. How many tips? Yeah, five three point attempts. I thought that was perfect because it kept him aggressive, guys. I think it kept him trying to get, like you said, Joe, getting to his spot, putting the ball, like I said. If you notice, he ain't really doing a whole lot of dunking. Because like you said, Joe, it ain't all the way back, but it's enough explosive there that he can rise up and shoot that shot.
Ocho
Yeah. Hey, hey. And then think about it. Hell, when Wemby went out, why the hell would I shoot a three? Boy, I'm coming in here olay. You hear me now? Because the second line of defense. Who you got? Cornet? Yeah, he decent back there, but hell, he ain't.
Joe
But I thought he played well, Joe. Yeah, he did that. Think about you. Ask him to play 26 minutes. He played well, especially on the offensive end. And he's rolling, he's sitting. Quality picks. And you already know. See that thing is with Wimby, Wimby can still pick and pop. You already know Cornett ain't popping, he rolling. He Pickett and rolling. Dive into the basket and he gonna get a lob and they're gonna drop it off to him and he gonna flush it home. So I give him a lot of credit for him having to play in a very chaotic situation.
Ocho
Oh, yeah, I agree. I'm just saying in, in for Minnesota. I noticed, man, how easy it is for those guys to get to the basket and get layups when wemby one up under there, you know, so that may have took. Yeah, that's probably why. Hey, that's probably why Ant man didn't shoot so many damn threes is what I'm saying. I just. I just feel like ain't man in another gear, man.
Joe
When Goose and Big and Big Sam wasn't in there team trying to run up the middle, but we had to think we had £700 up there. Ain't nobody trying to run up no middle. You better try to toss it. You run up the middle if you want to. And good luck trying to get outside because we had five, two, we had sharper and we had got. They gonna chase you down, so good luck with that. But you damn sure wasn't ready when they had Sam. It's just like when Chicago. Oh, you remember Chicago had key trailer and big Ted Washington in the middle.
Chad
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Joe
They had damn near 800 pounds.
Ocho
Yeah.
Joe
And you damn sure wasn't running the ball against them too.
Chad
Absolutely not.
Joe
So. But I look, it's gonna woo. We needed. We needed this guys because the last day. Look, we already got one sweet. We already got a. A broom in. In one series. Probably gonna get another broom in another series. We last thing we needed it just like brooms across the damn board. I'm glad Cleveland won because think about it, guys. If Cleveland didn't win and here come Detroit come in, guess what? Now we ain't got no series.
Ocho
Hey, hey, it made the even game. I ain't mad that women got.
Chad
Hey, hey, hey. Game five is what. What day is game five, huh?
Joe
Tuesday.
Chad
Tuesday. Hey, Joe, who you like?
Ocho
Joe, in what series?
Chad
I mean this series. Game five, who you like?
Ocho
Damn, O.J.
Chad
i know it's hard.
Ocho
I like both of them, man. Cause they got some dogs. Both of them got. I'm talking about some guys who really out there competing, man.
Joe
Hey, they.
Ocho
It's bucket for bucket. I like Ant man and what he doing. I like Castle and the Crew. Oh, but that women. Damn.
Chad
Yeah, he the difference, huh?
Ocho
You put him out there. It looked like. It looked like San Antonio playing against a damn G league team. Straight up. I'm for real. That's. That's the big. That's how much of a difference he makes. And I seen it when he went out and you notice that the guys from the T Wolves, bro. It's like they got ultra aggressive. Look at Nas Reed. He swear he was 16. Kyrie Irving. I'm talking about that boy. Hey, he got that little yeah. Hey, them boy would get into it tonight, man. I ain't gonna lie to you.
Joe
Hey, the thing is, when you rob a bank, what you do, you scope it out. You look at the pattern security on what time he get there, how long it take him to get, how long the police take. Downs are called. You see women in the game. Ain't nobody trying to steal no buckets, man. Now, hey, I'm gonna shoot this shot out here. It's wide open, bro.
Ocho
You 25ft out.
Joe
What you mean you wide open? You think I'm gonna go in there? Cause Wimby on once, even at once, if he's on one side of the basket with one step, you're not getting that shot off. It's not. If you do get it off, it's not an easy shot. So with that being said, I think. I think it's gonna be a great game. We need a great game. I think it'll be close, but if I. If I had to bet some money that meant something to me, and it felt like it was my money, it means something to me, I would put my money. I put my money on San Antonio.
Chad
Yeah. Hey, hey. Wimby is such a difference maker, Unk, man, he's such a difference maker in, in that series and, And Rudy is going to have to have an out of body experience. Not offensively, but defensively. He gonna have to do everything he can.
Ocho
I don't, I don't think. I don't think he can. Not on Wimby, no, not in him.
Joe
The.
Ocho
The problem you have is Wimby got too much in his bag for anybody.
Joe
You know what I mean?
Ocho
Once he goes up the shoot or go off his launching pad, hell, ain't nothing you can do, man. You just got. Now, you got to continue to be physical with him. Knock his ass down every chance you
Chad
get, contest everything you can.
Ocho
But the thing is, Ocho, even if he don't block the shot, if I drive in there and I know he there, I ain't even looking at the damn basket. I'm trying to. My next pass coming in.
Joe
Exactly. Yeah.
Ocho
He creates that indecision. And therefore, when he's not in there, soon as you get by your man, you know you're going straight to the rack, flow game, layup, whatever. But if he don't even block it, bro, his presence alone, it makes it altered your decision making.
Joe
He's gonna get somewhere between three to five blocks, but he's gonna make you. He's gonna make you alter your shot another five to ten times.
Ocho
Hello. Hello.
Joe
So even if he doesn't block it, you're not shooting a normal shot, even if it's a floater. Because he's gonna block something up to 12 foot high.
Ocho
Yes.
Joe
So what are you going to do? So even, even if you like. Oh, screen him off. You got him. Screen. No, it don't matter. See, Rudy can bother him down there because Rudy is 7:1. But when Nas Reed. Nas ready 16. So now he has a 7 inch advantage.
Chad
Yeah, that's crazy.
Ocho
It's hard.
Joe
It's hard to challenge his shot because like you said, if you go back and look at. What was that game, Game three, when he had that monster game, he put the ball on the floor, they end up having to take Rudy out.
Ocho
Yeah.
Joe
Because he's not giving you anything offensively and he's not impeding on the defensive end. So I got to put somebody in there. Even if you can't impede him, you can give me something on the other end that make him have to exhaust some of that energy. Because on the other end, he's just chilling. He just roaming. Yeah, he a seven foot four and a half. Ed Reed. Yeah, he throw it anywhere. I'm gonna go get it.
Ocho
And the problem is he's so damn tall that if you're not Rudy, go bear, then when he do catch and turn, hell, he might hit you with an elbow every time. You know, when you think about it. Yeah, he called Nas. He called him good. But think about it. Nas is right there when he catch the ball.
Joe
He's right there at elbow range.
Ocho
You know, that's. Hey, that's a dangerous range. That's a dangerous range to be in because he could probably get caught a few times, you know, if he had to guard him as much as he did tonight. But I thought they'd done a great job of frustrating, frustrating him. You know, he went out, he bowed out, you know, no gripe or groan. I think he understood he was wrong. But I thought he made it an even game. Fellas, this is like playing Sunday. I'm talking about, you get your five, I got my five. Yeah, we going at it. Yeah. I got some guys who can get money. You got some guys who can get money. Let's see who come up with it at the end.
Chad
And the best man win.
Ocho
Hey, Ant man just took it to a whole nother level.
Joe
Yeah, let me. I got a question for you, Joe. Do you believe those guys with the looks they got tonight from three and they didn't knock them down? Do you still believe they'll have. They'll be that unsuccessful shooting the three once they get back in their building? Because I thought they had some great look at threes and they just missed them.
Ocho
You right. I think with them having home court advantage back now, let's say worst case, hell, you're gonna get two games in San Antonio and one game in Minnesota.
Joe
Correct.
Ocho
No, I don't think. I don't think they gonna be as off as they were tonight. Now, I do think without Wimby being out there, Uncle Ocho, you know them guys, you know, they got some guys who can go get money, but creating for other guys get wide open shots. It really a whole lot of opportunities, man.
Joe
Right.
Ocho
Look, if we run a pick and roll and let's say we got a pick and roll coverage and I got a real big like Rudy out there, then you. I'm. You probably. He probably gonna head. Let me get under whatever.
Joe
Cause I ain' Rudy popping.
Ocho
But if we out there and we switching everything, that mean, look, all these schemes y' all running, this ain't gonna work. You're gonna have to. You're gonna have to have somebody who can get in their bag and get by somebody and get a bucket. That's why you see Fox and Castle and Harper and. And.
Chad
And.
Ocho
And Edwards. That's why you see these guys thriving, these moments. Bro, it was just guard your man and thank you.
Joe
Even if you get women to pick. If you. If you get women a pick. If you beat him. Do. Have you really beat him?
Ocho
No, sir.
Joe
No. Unless he at half court.
Chad
No.
Joe
The only way you beat him and go lay that ball up if he's a half court, because if he'll step behind you, you better go up on the other side of the basket. You better not lay it up on the side that you beat him to.
Ocho
Right? Right.
Joe
Because if you do, he gonna pin it.
Chad
It's funny that he might pin it if he goes to the other side too.
Joe
Honestly, he ain't gonna be expecting that. But you better like, oh, oh, my bad. I'm going up under here. If you pop, you gonna hear a double tap. Just like in a block point. Ocho, you hear that double thud. Doo doo.
Chad
Yeah.
Ocho
Hey, hey, hey. I gotta give him some credit too, though, Unc. I'm. What Ocho's saying, you know, you, you, you. His, his. His impeccable timing that he has on blocking them shots. Because there's been a lot of guys. Seven, two, seven three. If we just be for real. Who can't block no damn shots like Wimby, you know, I just think he has impeccable timing, you know, when it comes to blocking shots. And that's a skill in itself, let alone his ass being 7 5.
Chad
Yeah.
Ocho
So he's just a huge disadvantage, bro. You put him up. Think about this. You put Wimby on Minnesota team, what the hell they gonna look like? Unbeatable.
Joe
They unbeatable with Ant man and Wimby.
Ocho
Hear me?
Joe
So that'd be like having Shaq and Kobe, because we had never seen a guy as skilled as Shaq at that size. Now imagine putting 4 inches on Shaq, a guy that be able to shoot the three. I think Shaq may one three like, like end of the end of the quarter end or something like that. He made a three. But imagine if Shaq could shoot a three with his domination down on the block. Well, that's what Wendy. Wembley is not as dominant. But when we can shoot the mid range, when we got three women can post you up. So just imagine he's in year three. Can you imagine what Wemby's going to look like if he still stay on this trajectory, still progress? Can you imagine what he's gonna look like at year six at 25?
Ocho
But, but here's what I'm saying. I'm saying if you put him on Minnesota, they look unbeatable. Yeah, San Antonio and Minnesota got guard play that's elite in the NBA. Meaning guys who can go get a basket and guys who can guard. Bro, you ain't just going at none of them dudes. All these dudes can play. So he ain't just got no. Any guards is what I'm saying. He got some. He got some elite guard play.
Joe
Right?
Ocho
So I think that makes a huge difference. And it just, you know, it fits so well around him that he's able to play make at times and he'll let 75 handling the ball like a PG, bro. That's just unguardable. If you make.
Joe
But when you look at Wimby, Wimby in San Antonio, he got guards that can shoot, but he don't have guys that can, that could score. Like, like Ant man. You see the difference? Like there are other guys, but Shaq had Kobe, Kobe could score. So now you got to. Okay, you double Ant man. You really want to leave Wendy one on one with anybody? No, see, they don't have guys on the perimeter. I got a double. Hey, look as good as Castle and For Sale and.
Ocho
Right, right.
Joe
The only guy that I got a really double is Fox. But I got to worry about Fox getting to the rim. Those aren't shot making. Ant man is a shot maker. Kobe was a shot maker. There's a difference between guys that can score and guys that can make shots.
Ocho
Absolutely.
Joe
Kobe could score and make shots. I look at Castle, I look at Vesel, I look at those champions, I look at guys that can score. I don't look at shot makers. You look at some of the shots that Ant, they sign a pick. At 22ft out, Ant man rolls up over the entire thing and nailed a three. There ain't a whole lot of guys in the NBA can do that. Now you pair that with seven, four and a half that can shoot the three, can pull up from mid range, can put it on the floor at the top and get all the way down here and boom. No, you can't. You can't. You can't let that be. You can't.
Ocho
Hey, Ant man, different type of confidence. Uncle O Joe.
Joe
Yes.
Ocho
You know, he, he if you know, quiet as kept, not even quiet as Kev here, he'll even tell you. I know he feel like he the baddest mofo out there on the court.
Joe
He is.
Chad
He play like it. He walked like it.
Ocho
Hey, you talking about, you know, he don't feel like nobody in front of him will stop him, bro. I love him. They can't. His shot making ability is so elite. And I'm just thinking like, damn, he ain't even 100%. Imagine if this man was 100%. But you know, a lot of times when you injure, bro, it make you focus a little harder too.
Joe
You absolutely lock in, but I mean,
Ocho
you make you lock in a lot more versus you just being, you know, feeling pretty damn good. So I think that man is locked in, bro.
Joe
When we look at Wimby in the history of the game, we've never seen a guy this complete. We've never seen a guy seven four and a half can shoot the three, can get the mid range, can get all the way to the basket and flush it, and he's the best defender in basketball. We've never seen a guy this complete. Yeah, we've seen maybe a more skilled offense. Maybe if you look at Jokic and what he's able to do as far as passing the ball, shooting the three, the mid range around the basket. Okay, cool. But what, what is a yoke going to give you on the defensive end? Yes, Shaq was more dominant. Yes. We've seen Admiral, we've seen Akeem Olajuwon but they were not there putting the ball. I could get a ball to win and say, you know what, Wendy? Today we gonna run a large part of the game. We're gonna run it through you. So we want you on the ball. And I don't feel we'll have any problem. I watched the way he handled the ball, bro. You ain't supposed to be able to do that.
Ocho
That ain't right, man. That borderline cheating, bro. Real talk, Megatron.
Joe
You're not supposed to be 6 4, 240 pounds running 43 with a 43 inch vertical. That's not fair at the wide receiver, damn it.
Chad
Yeah, it's not. And Joe, you know, you know, you think about it, you don't play video game, but I'm sure a lot of people in the chat, I mean, obviously we, we have a lot of basketball fans and I'm sure most of them played NBA 2K. Wimby is nothing but a creative player. Wimby is a creative player that, that you, that you, that you know, you can dominate with on the video game. It just so happened. He's real. In real life, he's exactly what you create when you play goddamn 2k, man, you ain't lying. It's crazy.
Ocho
It's wild, bro. He is a unique talent. And boy, San Antonio, they good for the next 15 to 20 years, bro.
Joe
Yeah, I can't wait for Tuesday night. This thing gonna be on. Don't they play Tuesday night? Yep. Tuesday night. Yeah.
Chad
Oh, yeah.
Joe
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Chad
Three days off.
Joe
All right, all right, all right, all right.
Chad
Let's go. Let's get to it. Let's get to it.
Joe
Let's get to it.
Chad
As loud as the disrespect.
Ocho
Damn.
Joe
The Knicks made 18 three porters which tied an NBA record for a regular season or a half to lead by 24. They had wants to take the heart out. Oh, man, what they've done to you. Look at the last three games against Atlanta and you look at three of the last. The two. The last two games. That's as hot as anybody's ever been. There are 144 points today of the most in playoff franchise history. They opened the first quarter with 11, made three pointers which tied an NBA postseason record. They'll wait. The winner of the Pistons Cavaliers Detroit leaves that series two one. And we'll have at least at the bare minimum a week off off before the finals begin, which gives OG more and more time to recover. Yeah, you're done right here.
Chad
You done.
Joe
You look at it. Miles McBride got him off to the great start. He was. He made seven shots, all them from the three. Jalen Brunson was six of 10 from the three. Josh Hart was four or six from the three. Cat two or three from the three. The diet was. Was one of one. Landry Shammy, four of six. Jose Alvarado, one of two. When you add it up, they shot 25 or 44 from the three, that's 37. They shot 49 of 91 from the overall. From the field, that's 54. If you let a team shoot 54 from the floor, 57 from the three. Yeah, you gonna get beat by 30.
Chad
I told you what was gonna happen. I told y' all what was gonna happen. Y' all ain't believing me. Y' all think y' all got an elite ball knowledge. Joe, I know you play. I know. I know you played the game. Joe, I respect. I respect what you had to say, but you told me. God damn. When they were playing the Hawks, you told me the Hawks was probably gonna beat the Knicks. That's what you told me. You told me Jalen Johnson, he with that boy. You told me Cynthia McCollum, he was gonna cook. What happened? Let me finish. Hey, now I'm on you. You told me Embiid. You told me Cat was too goddamn small. Cat couldn't do nothing with him be down there. Whether it was in the. Whether it was down in the block or. Captain gonna have to go. Go down it to the goddamn three. He would have to shoot three. They're gonna have to shoot the midi. But he won't be. Be able to do nothing with him be down in the block. What the cat show y' all all series long, huh? I'm a three level score. What we talking about? I could do it all. They heard y' all two talking. They. They made 25 threes. 25 threes. That's a postseason record. We talk about the Knicks, huh? What we talking about? In the words of my dude, one of my favorite battle rappers, DNA. Get Philly up out of here, huh? Get him beat up out of here. Get Tyreek getting Maxi up out of here. Tell Paul George, you get up out
Ocho
of here, too, man.
Chad
What you talking about? And that's no disrespect to the Philly fan because you know, in the football season, I'm all for you and I love you.
Ocho
Come on now.
Chad
What we talking about?
Joe
Yeah, Gilly Gillis. You know, Gill is sick right now, though, man. You know Gilly sick. That's his team.
Ocho
Ocho, he ain't been happy with him. I told you. I've seen him over the weekend. Gillian, he ain't been happy about that. I know he pissed off about this.
Joe
Yeah. Look, I mean, Joe, you make 11 threes in the first quarter, you makes 18 and a half. You not losing, bro.
Ocho
They were hitting on. I ain't gonna lie, Ocho. I get the next day credit, but I ain't no hater, you know, I. I get credit when credit is due. Them boys still hot from the Damn. The series against the day. Yes.
Joe
Yeah.
Ocho
You hear me? Listen, I don't forgot OG got hurt. I ain't gonna even lie to y'. All. He been the hottest player on that damn team, man. Look, hey, riding his shoe like he Ray Allen. I'm like, hold on, bro. I'm talking about they wasn't missing, bro. I'm talking about all ceilings. It's like everything they threw up, bro, was going in. They want. They winning the hustle. Last three games, I'm talking about, man, listen, they did a number on them boys.
Joe
Oh, we.
Chad
I told you. I told you what gonna happen, Joe?
Joe
Y' all ain't want to listen to Oo.
Ocho
I was wrong, brother.
Chad
I'm all right. All right, all right. Hey, hey, you know what? You, you, you a man of words, Joe. You a man of word. Except paying me my money. But I'm gonna let that slap because you apologizing for being wrong. Talk about the 76ers was gonna beat an unk. You need to apologize, too. Talking about Eskim gonna stop Big body Brunson. Boy. You see, man brusted, man. Sweet. I. I ain't got no room. I wish I had a broom.
Ocho
Hey, question is. The question is, where do Philly go from here, bro? Like, like real talk. Real talk.
Chad
Shoot, I can tell you where they go.
Ocho
Where?
Chad
Cancun.
Ocho
Yeah, Damn. That I'm talking we got. Hey, hey. They got some decisions to make.
Joe
Straight up, dude. I, I, I don't believe as. As currently constructed. I don't see how they get out the second round. Because you know the likelihood. 82 game season. What is the likelihood? The man has played 68 games at least 68 games once. Remember Ocho? He missed his first two years, if I'm not mistaken.
Chad
Yes, sir.
Joe
So let that sink in. He's been in the league 10 years. He's played at least 68 games once in his entire NBA career. So he's gonna put it. And it's hard because I don't know when I can count on him, Joe.
Ocho
Man, it's tough.
Joe
He might miss two weeks. Hey, Maxi Paul, George, Ed come down a great rhythm, then he comes back. They can't play that same way when he's on the court. You just can't.
Ocho
Yeah, you can't Like, I'm looking at. I ain't gonna lie. I'm thinking, you know, I know he won eight for eight, you know, and they basically couldn't stop him. But the game is so much. It's so. It's so much at a slower pace. It's so stale out there, fellas. You know what I mean? Like, the guys can't. You cannot. These. These rhythm guys. Ishka, Maxi, Paul, George, Oubre. He can kind of, you know, dib and dab and do his thing, but for the most part, these rhythm guys. Your scores. Yeah, they just throwing it down there. Couldn't. Playing off MB, it's like, damn, bro, we down 20 damn points. Why are we still running it?
Joe
Why we running a set? We need to get shots up. Yeah.
Ocho
We need to be beat that ass down here on the court. Yeah, but they have to walk the ball up so goddamn much. Okay. Ojo. You can't. I'm like, man, they got. Yeah, they got to figure it out, bro. They got to figure it out. They gotta make some changes. Straight up.
Chad
Hey, hey, Uncle Joe. Hey.
Joe
Oh, yeah.
Chad
And B starts his. His max contract. It starts next year, I think. I think maybe it's starting at 57 million. I think some. Maybe something like that.
Ocho
Four year.
Joe
Three year.
Chad
Three year. Yeah. So I think it's 57. 67. And then I forgot what the. What the third number is.
Joe
It was three years. It was three. So however you get to three years, 193, Joe.
Chad
Right.
Joe
However you want to do it, whatever numbers you want to use, you can start off at 50, but you know you about to end, you go down to end up at 60 plus.
Chad
Right. So what I was going to ask is when you talk about trusting the process, which I. I believe most. A lot of people don't trust anymore at this point, is indeed still a 76 are going into next year.
Joe
Hold on. Wait a damn minute. We just had a discussion, Joe. Three days ago, this man ripped my head off. You and Joe got on me, and now you talking about what? We having a serious discussion about trading.
Chad
No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just asking the question because, I mean, y' all supposed to have better ball knowledge than I do, but obviously y' all don't, because y' all been wrong the past two series. I just see what y' all got to say. I already know the answer. I know y' all do.
Joe
Joel considered the 76 receipts and a success after just getting swept by the Knicks. And B said, I know we lost, and I know that's not the right mentality to have, but for me, this was a success. I came into the year not knowing where I was going to be, how long I was going to play, if I was even going to play based on the knee of the last two years. And I came in hoping for the best. I feel like we're in position, we figured out the knee. It hasn't been an issue. Embiid appeared in 38 regular season games, missed the first three games of the Celtic series and missed game two of the Knicks series. So Joel Embiid goes from 19 games to 38 games, gets swept in the second round, and somehow this is a success story.
Chad
I think, I think his success story is more, more about some of the things he's had to go through this, this year. Obviously that appendectomy, the knee, bothering them, not knowing when, when and when, when he would be able to play, when he'd be available. Which is one of the things that we talked about. Hell, not just us countless, you know, networks that talked about the same things. I think that's the angle he meant when he said as far as having success, because getting bounced out the second round, ain't nothing about that successful. I think he's just speaking from a personal standpoint and not the game itself.
Joe
Well, he need to play one on one basketball. Cause all I know you talking about, yeah, he had a success. Okay, you look at you as a sale guys, he missed 44 regular season games.
Ocho
Yeah.
Joe
How do I, Joe. And if I'm a general manager, how do I build a team around that? When arguably you're one of your two best players is out, have the time. How do I build a team? Because I basically, I gotta play one way when he's in, when he's in the lineup, and I gotta play a totally different way when he's out of it. If you look at, if you look at the way OKC play, they play the same.
Ocho
Yeah. No matter what. Yeah.
Joe
You look at, you look at San Antonio, they getting up and down. Even when he's on the court, even when he's off the court. Yeah.
Chad
Ah, different body style, different playing style, different.
Joe
When Joel Embiid is in the game and when you down by that many points, why the hell are we running sets? We burn it. We burn it. 16, 18 seconds off the damn clock. Y' all do realize we're not up 30, we're down 30.
Chad
And matter of fact, I got a question. When you, when you, when you down 32, Joe, why don't they just go small. Just go. Just go small. Because on understanding that Embiid slows the game down. Hell, put somebody else in there.
Ocho
Hold up, Ocho, wouldn't that you talking how much money you make a year?
Chad
Ah, see.
Ocho
Ah.
Chad
Okay, okay.
Ocho
I mean now. I mean, when you think about it. Okay, Ocho. Yeah. Who gonna take on their contract?
Chad
Shoot.
Joe
Hey, hold on, hold on. Wait a minute.
Ocho
Hold on, hold on, hold on, Joe.
Joe
Hold on, hold on.
Chad
Before you go.
Joe
Huh?
Chad
Hold on now.
Ocho
I didn't know. He joked. I didn't know. He just signed that deal and they kicked in. Yeah, I think it was.
Joe
Yeah, kick it next year.
Chad
But I think he signed it two
Joe
years ago this year.
Ocho
Oh, yeah. So he. So the next three years they got to pay him 190.
Joe
192 to 193 million dollars. I didn't know that.
Ocho
I swear. I thought he was probably like on the last year his deal maybe.
Joe
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Ocho
Yeah.
Chad
Hold on, Joe. Did you say who gonna pay it?
Ocho
Yeah. What I'm saying is he Philly. They got to figure it out. Big fellas.
Chad
Hey, hey, hey. You know, I. I stood on that table 10 toes when we talked about Embiid, right? You. Yeah, you talked about him not being available. I talked about what he looked like when he is available. Understanding. I show flashes, you know, in this. Is in this series. Even though they weren't able to get a win. Joe, when that boy hot. When he cooking. Well, he cooking when he got that thing down on the block, huh? I'm just saying I know they got. I know they got whooped. I know he. It ain't hurt a lot, but Joe, when he's healthy, he's on fire. Well, he's unstoppable, Joe.
Joe
Oh, Joe.
Ocho
It ain't about the points that he gets. It's how he plays. He walks up and down the court all the damn time, man.
Chad
You know, they knew that before they signed him. He never looked like we. He always been that way, Joe.
Joe
Hold on, I'm missing something. Jumping. I could have swore we had this very conversation and it was a two on one. They beat me up, Joe, like. Hey, O. Joe, let's jump in. Chad. Hello, Chad. I know they punking me. Hold on. What do you have for the camera? Are they punking me? I know they not punking me, though.
Ocho
Hey, hey, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Slow down, Turbo. Slow down. Listen, man, I swear I did not know that. The contract kick in is for 193. I didn't know that. I thought the man was on about a year. He had about a year or two left. Hey, we. Hey, big fella. Gonna have to get some shape. They're gonna have to figure that one out.
Chad
It's too. What's there to figure out? It's guaranteed. Ain't nothing to figure out.
Ocho
It ain't. What I'm saying is he's stuck in Philly hell. What do you mean?
Joe
Ocho, let me ask you a question.
Chad
Talk to me. Hey, take your time when you ask me now, okay?
Joe
That's 365 days in a year.
Chad
Yes, sir.
Joe
So just imagine you only gonna eat about 250 of those. About 250 of those days.
Chad
Okay. Okay.
Joe
How you feeling? How you looking?
Chad
Damn, I'd probably be looking.
Joe
And you've been doing. And you've been doing this. And you've been doing this probably say for like 10 years. So. 365. You only eating like 115 days of the year.
Chad
Hey, honestly, I ain't looking too good, huh? Probably. Probably. Probably on the. On the small side.
Ocho
Yeah.
Joe
And that's the thing, Ocho. It is so hard to build continuity. Ocho, you play the game what they say. You can't make the club in the tub. How do I build an offense? How do I build a defense? How do I build a team around arguably one of my two best players when I don't know if and when he's going to play? Yeah, that's it. I've never said Joel Embiid couldn't play. I see what he is. He's an all NBA player. He's an all star. And before the injury started amounting, he was an unbelievable defensive player. Given all that, he's missed 480, almost 500 games in his career. He missed the entire first two years of a career. I just. I just don't know. And that's. That was my only argument, is that you're going to get somebody else to hopefully try to take on this contract. Three years, 192 million. And what you know, based on history, is that what I do is that I look at history. Just S P. If you measure the market, okay, we know the market goes up. Sometimes it goes up 8, 10, sometimes it drops 3 to 4. But it. It's like this here, but it's consistent. What is Joel consistently being injured and out.
Chad
Can I tell you something?
Joe
Yes, you can.
Chad
When it comes to this business, I don't know basketball like you, like y' all do Somebody, somebody in the chat just said, why is Ojo talking basketball? Because I got better not ball knowledge than you.
Joe
Cuz you got a camera and a microphone. And he don't.
Chad
Hey, that, that, that's why. And I know what I'm talking about. That's why I've been right all series long.
Ocho
But
Chad
even though Embiid has three three year, 193 million. It just take one team. Yeah, one team. That, that, that feel that a change of scenery might do him justice. Going somewhere else might do him justice. Yes, he's been hurt all this time he's been in Philly. But lo and behold, sometime when you change scenery, all of a sudden, boom, you're healthy. You get around different doctors, you get around different nutritionists, you get around different people that have a set, a set plan for you. And all of a sudden, voila, you healthy.
Joe
It happens.
Chad
I've seen it happen in, in all sports. Whether it's basketball, whether it's football, hell, whether it's track. You, you change coaches all of a sudden. Now you're running faster.
Ocho
Hey, look, when I, when I'm watching the game on here, Ocho Maxi is coming. If I'm being 100, they don't even really look like they enjoy playing with MV bro. You know, it's like, you know, man, we, we Downhill Bandits, you know what I'm saying? We try to get money. Yeah. We can't even attack. Cause you down here posting up air trip down court, that's kind of, that's, that's just kind of what I see. That's how I feel when I'm watching it. Looking at facial expressions. I'm looking at demeanor, I'm looking at gestures. I'm looking at all that, bro. Like, it don't. Bro, it don't look like they really enjoy playing with big fella. If I'm just keeping it real, bro.
Chad
Damn, Joe, that's. That's not nice, Joe.
Ocho
I'm just keeping it 100, bro.
Chad
I feel you. I feel you. I feel you.
Ocho
That's what I.
Joe
You said something interesting. You said you've seen it before. You've seen guys, you know, leave teams and go to another team. You go to another coach. I take Cindy McLaughlin as an example. I can put her with Joanna Hayes. I can put it with John Smith. I can put her with. I can put her with Dennis Mitchell. She'll still be great because her desire to be great and her work ethic.
Chad
Yes.
Joe
It doesn't matter who you put somebody with and where you send Them to. What is your mindset? Will you be disciplined? Will you be committed? Because if you're not, all you did was change locations.
Chad
Yes, sir.
Joe
A polar bear is still the same whether he's in captivity or he's out. So if Joel Embiid still trains the same way, does the same thing, and maybe his body is too broken down, it's just hard to see a scenario where a man gets healthier as he gets older. I'm just. It's just hard. I don't. I don't see it. I don't. And Ocho, you asking a man 300 plus pounds body, he's had back surgery. He had knee issues, he had ankle issues. To run up and down the court 70 times a year, 35 to 40 minutes a night.
Chad
Yes, sir.
Ocho
Hey, that's another thing. You watch how you watch his gallop up and down the court, Uncle Ocho, it don't. Hey, look, it look like it's hard on him, bro.
Joe
It look like it hurt me. My knees start hurting watching him. My back start hurting. I'm like, well, damn. The difference is I'm 58, all my kids older than Joel Embiid. So I got it right. I got artificial hips, got bone on bone in my right knee. I get a knee replacement. I'm trying to postpone it. I look at Joel of beat and I wonder. I said, well, damn. Is that what I look like when I walk? God, darling. So, Chad, I apologize if I look like Joel Embiid. When y' all see me in the airport. Y' all see me walking in Target or something. I sincerely apologize. Cause it looked like it hurt. It do.
Ocho
I'm talking about just to sprint up and down the court a couple trips, and don't let it be consecutive. Oh, he gonna pull out that walk on you? Yeah, yeah. Hey, look, I think you're a hell of a talent, too. I just don't know, man. When I'm looking at. You know, I think Philly got elite guard play.
Joe
And
Ocho
the gestures throughout the game, the box, I'm looking at all they playing in, and it's like, damn. All right, let me throw it down here. Go set this. Look, this little weak ass screen like I'm doing something. So he. Man, that's what it seemed like to me, bro. Like, I'm just keeping. Because, look, you know, once it go in, once you throw, I ain't getting it back now. It ain't really coming out. You know, he pretty much going at his man. You know, him and Cat got the little Back and forth, you know, I. I don't know, man. I just. I don't know. From my eye. From my eye. Yeah, it didn't seem like that. Those guys were really. They weren't flying around like they was in the first couple games. Just keep it real.
Joe
It's hard to play with a guy like that. And then Max is like, man, I'm an all star. I'm just coming into my own. I'm giving you 28.
Ocho
He ain't. I mean, see, I just came out with my new shoe. Hey, man, look, I'm. I'm next up. I'm up. Matter of fact, I'm up. Yeah, it's my time.
Joe
Joe, check this out. In their last three games against Atlanta, the Knicks beat the Hawks by a combined 96 points. 96. That would the combined beat him by now.
Ocho
Hold on.
Joe
What, what did. Okay, they beat. They beat the 76ers 144 to 114. What was it? What was the game three? How about how bad they beat them in game three? How bad they beat the Knicks the last. When you combine all the scores, what was the tally? Bear with us. Chat you.
Ocho
You saying a total?
Joe
They beat. They beat Atlanta the last six games by combined plus 96. So the average beating them by 32 points a game. Atlanta, their last three games that they won. Now if we go back and look at what not today was a 30 point victory. Hell, they beat him. If I'm not mistaken, they might have beat him worse than that in game three. Or was it game two where they beat him like 121 30. Game one, 130. Okay, hold up. Okay, they beat the 76ers. Okay, they beat them 144 to 114 today. They beat them by 14 in game two. They beat him by. By six in game two. Excuse me. They beat him 1 40. 40. 114. In game four. They beat him by four. They beat him by 14 in game two. They Beat game three. They beat him by six in game two. They beat them 137 to 98 in game one. So 89 total points. So they won their last seven games. So you say 96 and 89, that's 185. You know, I'm good with bad. You know, like I said once you. When you. When you ain't got a carry and pie and all that stuff, if you just give me some round numbers, I can spit that eight. I'm like big blue. I just spit the numbers. Let that sink in. Man, they beat. They be in seven games. 185 total points. That is crazy.
Chad
It ain't crazy because I told you what was gonna happen. Y' all ain't listen to me.
Ocho
And look, the house. At least the house got two games. Damn. You mean Philly couldn't get a game?
Chad
Hey, hey, Joe. The Hawk got two games because the NBA had bills to pay. The NBA had bills to pay.
Ocho
Don't do that. Don't do that.
Chad
I'm just telling. I'm just being honest with you.
Ocho
Hey. Cause you and Unc steady yelling out our failures and whispering our successes. Yeah, we won two games against these dudes, bro.
Chad
Y' all at home, Joe, you happy about winning two games?
Ocho
Hell, yeah, at home. Compared to bro. Philly. Philly got swept O2.
Chad
You home? No. Hey, no disrespect. I got love for you, but I'm just saying, the way you hype the Hawks up and they at home, not Philly at home.
Ocho
All I'm saying is the Hawks won two games. What's this, bro?
Joe
And you.
Chad
I'm trying to explain to you. I'm trying to explain to you. Hey, Joe, you played in the NBA. Joe, you supposed to know how the business works. All right, we got sponsors, Right? The sponsors. In order to make money, you got to extend the series a little bit.
Ocho
That's what I'm saying.
Joe
Hey, we got bills to pay, too, damn it.
Ocho
Yeah.
Chad
Hey, that's what I'm talking about.
Joe
Hey. All right, let's talk about the Knicks. Because their first two series, they put on. They put on this series. They really put on a shooting clinic. The last two games. I mean. I mean, this is. This is crazy. This is. I mean, you look at what they did against the hawks the last two games, they won by 29. No, they won by. Hold on. No.
Ocho
Hell no.
Joe
They won by what, 90, 126. So 3, 20. They won by 29. They won by 50. 30. What? No. Or 50? 51. Damn, Joe beat by 51, and then you got beat 39.
Ocho
Come on, bro.
Joe
They put on some when they got. When. When the Knicks get hot. Boy, listen. They ghost Pepper hot.
Chad
Told you.
Ocho
Give them they credit. Yeah. You think Bridges look great in this series? He didn't even score in a game against. Against the Hogs here.
Joe
Absolutely. You're right.
Ocho
You know what I mean? Like, I'm talking about, OG Went out. Josh Hart has been playing amazing.
Joe
Yes.
Ocho
You know, not only has he been scoring, which is always a plus, but his energy and effort, he's always Going to be around 8 to 12 rebounds a game.
Joe
Y.
Ocho
From this position.
Joe
Just effort.
Ocho
Yeah, just all effort, bro. And he making shots.
Joe
Oh, yeah. If he making shots, it's. It's over for you. Because like you said, your auto hustle plays. He's gonna make them.
Ocho
Yeah, bro.
Joe
They know. And. And he and Brunson, they played together in college with Mikhail Bridges. They played together, they know each other. They were roommates. They got a podcast together. They cool. And that's why I say closeness matters.
Chad
Yeah.
Joe
You look at okc, it matters. I think San Antonio is going to have the same type of relationship. You know why? Because they came up together, they getting drafted a year apart, and guess what? They gonna build this thing together. The same thing. Shay was there, and here come J Dub, and here come Chat, and here come Mitchell, and they get Lou Dork, and they get Wallace, and they get Isaiah Joe, and they trade for Caruso. Hell, Caruso, the elder statesman.
Ocho
Hey, and. And when you look at it, hey, sometimes, man, you can have a little bit too damn much, you know, without OG I think everything is kind of crystal clear. Meaning, you know, you get Bridges at heart. They able to get a. They. They able to maintain a rhythm because they ain't looking over their back. Damn, I messed up OG from the company, you know what I mean? And I think. I'm not saying that they're better without them. Don't. Don't. Don't get me wrong. I just think these guys are in such a great rhythm, bro, that I'm telling you, I didn't even notice OG1 on the court. I'm like, damn. And look at.
Joe
What about Cat Ocho? Three threes. Yeah, that's it. He didn't fall in love with the three. He like. Yeah. Hey, hold on. Hey, who this guy? They got Paul George. Is this PG on me, man? Give me that damn ball. Get back, get back.
Ocho
Hey, he looked like. It looked like he was playing with a little more of a little purpose this series.
Joe
Yes.
Ocho
I think that the little back and forth between him and Embiid, which they didn't really entertain a lot. Now, it was a lot of hustling and wrestling out there, if you ask me, but I'm here for it. The competition level was at an all time high. I think both guys competed, but I think it hurted Philly way more than it hurt the Knicks.
Joe
You thinking for me? Look, I sat down with Cat and spending two hours with him and talking with him before the pod and talking with. How you not lucky? Yeah, I Get it. Oh, my God. I get all that. But, man, he is. Hey, man, look here. He really, really a good dude. And having a conversation with him and what he's had to deal with, with his mom. His mom was his best friend.
Ocho
Yeah.
Joe
I'm talking about his absolute best friend.
Chad
Yeah.
Joe
And to watch her leave this earth, watch her take her last breath. It did a number on him. It did. But I can't. Hey, I get frustrated with it because I say, cat, you too damn good to be taking all them damn 3. Get your big old butt. But I can't. It's. It's. You can't dislike it.
Ocho
You can't damn well.
Joe
I need. I can't.
Ocho
I need Detroit to get out this series. I ain't gonna lie to you.
Joe
What'd you say, Joe?
Ocho
I need Detroit to get out this series. Hey, shout out to my boy Johnny Bryant over there in Cleveland. He on the coaching staff. Johnny, I'm sorry, bro. I need. I need Detroit to win this series.
Joe
Oh, so you going all in. You got Detroit over the next. You going all in?
Ocho
Hunter, I told you I got Detroit going to the finals.
Chad
Hold on, Joe, here we go again, man. Here we go again, man. Joe, what you doing?
Ocho
What you mean?
Chad
Joe, since we've been on here, right?
Ocho
Yeah.
Chad
Since the playoff started.
Ocho
Yeah.
Chad
First, I told you how it was going to play out, Joe. The Hawks playing the Knicks. I explained to you. Now, I could bring. I could break it down to you. I could break it down for you in PowerPoint presentation if I need to. If the goddamn Pistons get out that series and show you why. Why the Nick gonna beat him. I. I can do that. But again, I'm trying. I know you played the game. I respect your ball knowledge. But see, you thinking, you thinking with your heart. I'm thinking with my mind.
Ocho
With my Hawks, I was thinking with my heart. I ain't gonna lie. I had my heart in it.
Joe
Joe, you supposed to. Joe, that's your squad. Joe, I know he ain't talking about no hard in it. The way he be rooting for the Bengals. And he know damn well his bangles ain't got no chance. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Ocho
Everything.
Chad
Do me a favor. Simmer down. It's not football season.
Ocho
All right, Go ahead.
Chad
I'm a basketball savant right now. I don't care nothing about football.
Ocho
My bad.
Joe
Now you don't care nothing about football.
Ocho
Okay.
Joe
Yeah.
Ocho
Remember that.
Joe
Remember that. With his team. Cause he gonna come back. Hey, Joe, what about your Falcons? My team, just like your Falcons. They didn't win.
Chad
Hey, and just, just remember, like, I'm not jumping on no bandwagons. I don't want people to confuse the fact that I'm, you know, I'm going for the Knicks. I'm a Heat fan. Fan. I'm a Miami Heat fan. It just, you know, going back and forth, based on the series, we all had teams to pick, and the team that I continuously picked to go further just happened to be the Knicks. That's it. So I'm cheering for the Knicks, but I'm a Miami Heat fan. Always will be. Win or lose, man. But Joe, if. Even if the Cavs come out the series or the Pistons, the Knicks are still going to win. I'm just telling you.
Joe
I definitely don't believe. I don't definitely don't believe the Cavs can beat the. Not. Not with those defenders that they got. Yeah, because they catching hell. They catching hell getting away and they got way. I, I think.
Ocho
I think.
Joe
I think New York got more defenders when you got Josh Hart, Mikhail Bridges, you got og. I think they got more defenders.
Ocho
Hell.
Joe
Hey, Alvarado, that little piss.
Ocho
But, but guess what? They ain't gonna be able to do no Cage, though. Got K show last year here. They couldn't do nothing with him and experience.
Joe
But here's the problem. You run into Joe, your boy Duran ain't getting you nothing, but he gonna be a dog. He gonna be a.
Ocho
Hey, look, that little eight. That little 8.12 rebounds, he could. They.
Joe
We gonna need that. We're gonna need 18 and 12.
Chad
See, see, see, see, Here y' all go again. Here y' all go again. You see, this is the same thing you did last series with goddamn Jalen Johnson. Now you talk about. Now you talk about what? During. With. During. Man, we don't care nothing about that. Give me. We don't care nothing about that.
Joe
OG gonna be back.
Chad
Big Body Brunson gonna do what he do. Josh Hart locking up on the defense end, and he gonna give you something down on the off of there. What are we talking about? Cat gonna. Oh, my God. He gonna.
Joe
He gonna do what he got to
Chad
do from the three, from the mid level, down in the block. Whatever you want to do when the Knicks. When the Knicks go to the finals, right?
Ocho
Yes.
Chad
I just want y'.
Ocho
All.
Chad
I want the apologies to be just as loud as the disrespect. Matter of fact, I don't want nobody to question my ball knowledge when it comes to basketball after this.
Ocho
We done gave them their problems, bro. What else you want?
Chad
Cause you still doubting them. Talking about you want Detroit to get out the series so they could beat the Knicks.
Ocho
I got one more chance.
Chad
I got so you don't know ball like I do.
Ocho
All right, all right.
Joe
So, hey, so you gonna take. If the Thunder get that, you taking the Knicks over the Thunder? Who, Ocho?
Ocho
Hell, no, he ain't.
Joe
Oh, my ass. You heard Joe, you hear about.
Chad
Huh?
Joe
You heard what I said? Hold on, hold on.
Chad
I think. I think my thing muted.
Ocho
Yeah, yeah.
Chad
Y' all can hear me?
Ocho
Come on.
Joe
Can we hear you just fine? Okay, we said if the Knicks and the Thunder meet in the NBA Finals, are you taking the Knicks?
Chad
God damn. Is my speaker working?
Joe
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Podcast: Nightcap | Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, Joe “ISO Joe” Johnson
Date: May 11, 2026
In this high-energy episode of Nightcap, Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (“Ocho”), and ISO Joe Johnson come together for instant analysis on the night’s major NBA playoff action. The focus: Victor Wembanyama’s surprising ejection for a flagrant 2 elbow, the Timberwolves tying up their series with the Spurs in Wemby’s absence, and the New York Knicks absolutely demolishing the Philadelphia 76ers to complete a sweep. The trio offers unfiltered opinions, debates key moments, and weighs in on the future of teams and stars after pivotal playoff outcomes.
Segment Start: [05:55]
Wembanyama’s Flagrant 2: Wembanyama gets ejected just 12 minutes into the game after catching Nas Reed with an elbow. The hosts agree the play was excessive and that the ejection was deserved.
Immediate Impact: The Spurs, missing their MVP/DPOY candidate, manage to compete gamely, but the Timberwolves capitalize to tie the series 2-2 as it heads back to San Antonio.
Physical Play and Mind Games: Discussion of Minnesota's strategy—antagonizing Wemby to get him frustrated and out of the game.
Effect on the Game: Without Wemby’s rim protection, the Wolves drive more aggressively; Ant Man (Anthony Edwards) dominates offensively.
Notable Quote:
“He earned that. He didn't deserve it. He earned it. Well, bro, look how he threw that thing.” — Chad [13:43]
Segment Start: [05:55], [19:12]
Segment Start: [23:14]
Quote on Wemby's Presence:
“If he's on one side of the basket with one step, you're not getting that shot off. If you do get it off, it's not an easy shot.” — Shannon [24:48]
Segment Start: [15:08], [23:25], [28:53]
Disciplinary Follow-up: The consensus is Wemby won’t be suspended for Game 5; just a fine.
Expectations for Game 5: The crew expects a fired-up Wemby, but emphasize he’ll need to control his emotions.
Predicting Outcomes: Mixed predictions, but all stress how Wemby drastically tips the balance.
Segment Start: [39:16]
Historic Shooting: Knicks tie NBA record with 18 made threes in a half, finish 25-44 from deep (57%).
Brunson’s Dominance & Supporting Cast: Jalen Brunson, McBride, Josh Hart, and others all noted for red-hot shooting and hustle.
Sixers’ Disarray: Philly unable to adjust, Embiid’s contract/future debated, and hosts critical of the Sixers' slow, predictable approach.
Notable Quote:
“The question is, where do Philly go from here, bro? Like, like real talk.” — Ocho [43:47]
Segment Start: [44:04], [46:32]
Embiid’s Durability Questioned: Hosts highlight his inability to stay healthy, slow play style, and massive contract ($193M/3 years).
Teammate Chemistry Doubts: Ocho notes how teammates don’t look happy playing with Embiid, and the offense stagnates with him isolating every trip.
Segment Start: [64:30], [65:22]
On Wemby’s Ejection:
“It’s also a good thing. I’m not gonna let y’all push and shove me around and think y’all just gonna handle me any old kind of way.” — Chad [13:49]
“Control your damn emotions out there!” — Ocho [14:05]
On Ant Man’s Confidence:
“He, if you know, quiet as kept—not even quiet as kept—he’ll even tell you. I know he feel like he the baddest mofo out there on the court.” — Ocho [33:52]
On Embiid’s Value and Health:
“It is so hard to build continuity...How do I build an offense? How do I build a defense? How do I build a team around arguably one of my two best players when I don’t know if and when he’s gonna play?” — Shannon [53:15]
On Knicks’ Surge:
“When the Knicks get hot. Boy, listen. They ghost pepper hot.” — Chad [64:20]
The episode is electric, unfiltered, and playful, marked by rapid-fire banter, “I told you so” moments, and real respect for the game’s physical and mental grind. Shannon holds court with stats and deep dives, Ocho adds street-savvy eye test takes and classic bravado, and Joe offers the player’s eye on game flow and strategy.
Memorable final words:
“When the Knicks go to the finals, I just want the apologies to be just as loud as the disrespect. Matter of fact, I don’t want nobody to question my ball knowledge when it comes to basketball after this.” — Chad [72:04]
For more heated debate and instant reactions, check out Nightcap wherever you get your podcasts!