Nightcap Hour 1: Wemby Has REVENGE GAME + Luka SHUTS DOWN Giannis TALK

Summary

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Nightcap Hour 1: Wemby Has REVENGE GAME + Luka SHUTS DOWN Giannis TALK

Podcast: Nightcap (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, Joe Johnson
Date: May 13, 2026
Episode Focus:
A high-energy, unfiltered breakdown of the NBA Playoffs, headlined by Victor Wembanyama’s dominant bounce-back performance for the Spurs, debates over Lakers’ future with Luka and Giannis, and the real state of the Lakers roster, leadership, and legacy.

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Episode Overview

This Nightcap hour jumps right into the NBA postseason, focusing on two primary narratives:

1. Victor Wembanyama’s “revenge game” after a costly ejection—how he responded in Game 5 and its ripple effects for the San Antonio Spurs.
2. The turmoil and prospects for the Los Angeles Lakers, with inside talk on Luka Doncic’s preferences (not wanting to trade Austin Reaves for Giannis Antetokounmpo), and the bigger picture of roster-building, LeBron’s future, and franchise philosophy.

The hosts keep it loose and lively, mixing jokes and sharp analysis, while sharing player perspectives and behind-the-scenes knowledge.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Wemby’s Dominant "Apology" Performance

Timestamps: 07:16–21:14

• Shannon stacks up Wembanyama’s playoff stats against Tim Duncan’s rookie numbers, remarking that Wemby “through their first nine playoff games, he's ahead” on several advanced metrics ([07:16]).
• Ocho highlights how Wemby’s response to his ejection was less about words, more about actions:

  “His apology to them was loud as hell once he got on that goddamn court... Boy, he gave them boys hell, Joe.” ([09:18] Ocho)

• Joe Johnson observes the physical intimidation Wemby brings, especially forcing opponents (like Nas Reed) into awkward shots just to get around him.
• Shannon underscores the game’s turning points:

  “They get out to a 14 point lead. The Wolves cut it all the way back down to two... But obviously, you see, they're a different team with Wemby.” ([10:05] Shannon)

Notable Quotes

• Joe Johnson:

  “When they brought Nas Reed in, he got Nas Reed throwing the ball all over the damn backboard... if he don’t even block it, hell, the chances of you making the shot, it’s just almost impossible, bro.” ([11:13])

• Shannon Sharpe on Wemby’s Game Impact:

  “If Rudy Gobert is going to give you four and five and their center is going to give you 27 and 17, you’re not winning that game.” ([10:05])

• Ocho on Wemby’s Mindset:

  “He a human cheat code.” ([21:06])

Team Analysis:

• Spurs:
  • Keldon Johnson praised as “probably the second most important player tonight... the way he played with that efficiency and getting to it.” ([17:35] Joe Johnson)
  • Spurs' youth and bench depth highlighted as a big advantage.
• Timberwolves:
  • Struggled offensively, especially with Gobert’s limitations and no one able to dominate when needed.

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2. Learning, Physicality, and Growth for Wemby

Timestamps: 20:09–28:28

• The hosts discuss how the league’s only hope against Wemby is getting physical, “hoping you get out of character, get out the game.” ([25:46] Joe Johnson)
• Joe Johnson sees the experience as humbling and a growth step for Wemby, noting:

  “He wants to be the best player to play this game, bro. You can tell by how he goes about himself, and he understands that he’s a unique talent.” ([26:54])

• Referencing NBA greats, Shannon asks, “Who says I gotta wait my turn? I'm jumping in line… Magic won his first year. Bird won in his second year. Tim Duncan won in his first. Who said I gotta wait?” ([27:47])
• The group is bullish on San Antonio’s future core: Champagne, Wemby, Fox, Basel, Castle, all coming up together.

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3. Lakers, Luka, Giannis – What’s Next?

Timestamps: 33:43–54:53

• News breaks that Luka Doncic does not want the Lakers to include Austin Reaves in any trade for Giannis Antetokounmpo—a clear signal he values fit and chemistry over superstar chasing.

  “Luca reportedly does not want the Lakers to trade Austin Reeves for Giannis... Donchic would strongly prefer a team constructed that includes him, Reeves alongside whatever star Lakers could acquire.” ([33:43] Shannon)

Roster Construction Debate:

• Shannon:
  “It’s amazing how they want to build a team around Luca. But when LeBron asked for certain things, they never did that... Did a joke. You notice that?” ([35:32])
• Ocho:
  Explains why Luka and Giannis don’t make sense together, both being ball-dominant:

  “Luca has to have the ball in his hands. Giannis has to have the ball in his hands. Luke and Giannis, that’s not going to work. Why does he want Reeves? He and Reeves work well together.” ([36:13])

• Joe Johnson:
  Raises the question of Lakers’ depth, health, and fit:

  “Damn. Ojo. They were just missing the top scorer of Luka, okay? Since Luka asking for all this. Damn. Can he stay healthy enough throughout the post season so we can see what we really got?” ([37:34])

• The conversation repeatedly circles around the Lakers lacking defensive pieces—other than Marcus Smart, their defensive core is thin.
• Shannon on Franchise Philosophy:
  Takes the Lakers’ front office to task:

  “If Rob Pelinka was not Kobe's agent, does he have that job?” ([40:49]) “You had defenders, you had Javail [McGee], you had Dwight Howard. You're not paying them $30 million. You break it up just because... They said, ‘let him shoot.’ The next year, what they do, they go sign [Westbrook]. They got it. Make it make sense.” ([39:41])

Notable Lakers Hot Takes:

• Lakers' development issues:
  “When’s the last time they developed a player?” ([45:00] Shannon)
• On TV ratings and LeBron’s impact:
  “Nobody was even talking about the Lakers until LeBron went there... He went on his own. I want him to leave, and I want to see how many championships [they win].” ([44:30])

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4. LeBron’s Future, Lakers’ Window & Honest Team Appraisal

Timestamps: 54:53–end

• The hosts debate how realistic it is for LeBron to return, whether he’d take a paycut, and what teams might tempt him, like New York—with Ocho arguing the marketing upside could bridge a lower basketball salary.
• Rui Hachimura and Austin Reaves come up often as the only essential Lakers to try and keep, with Reaves likely commanding a serious payday.
• The hosts highlight how Lakers' leadership and decision-making have often been shortsighted, especially compared to more consistent franchises like OKC, San Antonio, and Golden State.
• Shannon:

  “You better get some guys that can defend whether LeBron is there or not. I'm ready for LeBron to leave. I really am. All they do is blame him... I want to see some championships in the next five years.” ([44:30])

• Debate on whether a healthy Lakers pose any threat to the Thunder (Ocho is adamant: "They might win a game, maybe two, if the NBA and the refs are colluding"—[39:17])
• Shannon’s “boxed-in” debate moment:
  Leads the crew into admission that, yes, LeBron—at 41—was still the Lakers’ best playoff performer against OKC:

  “Who led the Lakers in points? Who led in rebounds? Who led in assists? You mean to tell me a 41 year old outplayed 25, 26, 27 year old? Something ain't right, Joe.” ([59:40])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Wemby’s Statement Game:

  “Let me show y’all how sorry I am by coming out here, setting the tone and dominating early in the game.” ([09:45] Ocho)

• On Spurs’ Emerging Dynasty:

  “Who says I gotta wait my turn? I'm jumping in line.” ([27:43] Shannon)

• On Lakers’ Front Office:

  “If Rob Pelinka was not Kobe’s agent, does he have that job?” ([40:49] Shannon)

• On Lakers culture:

  “A team with 17 championships, ain't got no culture, huh? When’s the last time they developed a player?” ([44:53] Shannon)

• On LeBron’s career stage:

  “He hadn’t played that role, he said since ever... But how Austin Reeves just pole vault me? I was just in the all Star game last year. I'm not arguing [about Luka], but... how did AR jump me?” ([57:55] Shannon)

• “Boxing in” the debate:

  “Who out of Austin, Reeves and LeBron? You see, instead of getting LeBron credit, what they do with Joe. So you had A or B. They say C. But see, what are the options? You see how they did it, Ocho?” ([60:46] Shannon)

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment / Quote | |----------------|------------------------------------------------------------| | 07:16–10:05 | Wemby’s statistical comparison to Duncan, impact | | 09:18–10:05 | Wemby’s “apology” game and immediate tone-setting | | 14:19–17:34 | Spurs supporting cast, Keldon Johnson’s impact | | 25:46–28:01 | Wemby’s physical challenge; Popovich’s advice | | 33:43–40:49 | Lakers, Luka, Giannis trade talk, roster-building issues | | 40:49–47:36 | Lakers' front office, LeBron legacy, player development | | 54:53–60:28 | LeBron’s paycut, future, and Lakers’ chance to contend |

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Tone & Style

• Unfiltered, irreverent, and humorous: The hosts aren’t shy about calling out front offices, joking about physicality and player quirks, or poking at each other’s basketball takes.
• Insider and analytical: Deep dives into strategy, matchups, and the psychology of superstar players.

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Summary Takeaway

Nightcap Hour 1 is a fast-paced, wide-ranging conversation that spotlights Victor Wembanyama’s evolution into a playoff force—and what his ascension means for the Spurs. Meanwhile, the Lakers are dissected with no mercy: Luka prefers chemistry over star-chasing, LeBron’s leadership and fit are questioned, and the Lakers' organizational choices are dissected as the West’s new powers (Spurs, OKC) pull ahead. Every segment blends sharp analysis with personality, perfect for night-owl fans craving instant takes on the postgame chaos.

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Transcript

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[Host Ocho]

Foreign Good evening ladies and gentlemen. I'm your host Ocho. My partner ISO Joe Johnson, seven time NBA All Star. One of the best to ever do it. Nominated for the hall of Fame coming up very soon. I will be there for his induction. Welcome to Nightcap. I don't know what Unk is but we gonna get this thing going anyway. Chat. How y' all doing? I love you. It's show time.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey hey, what's up twin? Hey, that's over with bro. The hall of Fame. I ain't get picked this year, bro.

[Host Ocho]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, listen.

[Host Ocho]

Hey, Joe. Oh, we got time.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. I'm just letting you know. I'm just letting you know because you probably, you know, getting your hopes up high, thinking we gonna. You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Next time. Next time. Next time around.

[Host Ocho]

Oh, it's gonna come. Let me tell you when it's gonna come. I'm gonna be there. And listen, I'mma be the ghetto one in the. In the. In. In the stands. Yeah, with the air horn. Yeah, yeah, I'mma have the air horn. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, what's happening, man?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, what's going on, man? Hey.

[Host Ocho]

Hey, what's up? What's up, Thanos?

[Joe Johnson]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

This teddy bear.

[Host Ocho]

I mean, well, they all look the same.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This teddy bear. He said I got my hair back now. He said I look like a real. Real live teddy bear.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So y' all did the intro?

[Host Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, I. I had it. I had it. I had it. Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Joe, I thought you was gonna take the intro.

[Host Ocho]

Hey, I did do it.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Ocho. Ocho did it, but I ain't gonna lie. I could have. I could have did it way better than this. I would. I would have. I would have had it spiffed up. You know what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but it was cool, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was cool.

[Host Ocho]

Hey, listen, Joe, I'm not really an intro person, man. I'm not an intro person, you know?

[Joe Johnson]

All right. Okay. Yeah, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got. You got it. You got it tomorrow, Joe, man, come on.

[Joe Johnson]

I got it tomorrow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right.

[Host Ocho]

All right, man. Hey, watch, Joe, you gonna mess up, too.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, Please.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn, boy. Please.

[Host Ocho]

See, now, y' all didn't gave him too much time to practice now.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man, here he go. Boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Host Ocho]

He gonna be. Hey, he gonna be in the mirror. I did mine right off the head.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I mean, look, once you get used to it, I mean, you kind of remember the. Kind of. The sequence of it. Yeah. Like last night, I only have. I don't really use the property anymore anyway. For the most part. The only time I use the. I don't really use the prompt unless I got to do an ad read or something like that. All the other stuff. You've done it so much. Yeah. You don't. You don't even worry about. You think about it.

[Joe Johnson]

It's muscle a. It's muscle memory, baby. Muscle memory.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hey, that's exactly what it is. Where's the. The rundown? Oh, here it is. Oh, I pulled it. All right, guys. Well, the spurs, they take control. They're back in front three to get a chance to close out the game in Minnesota thanks to a 12697 victory. When he gets back to Game 5, he has 27 points, 17 rebounds, 5 assists and 3 blocks left. And so now you think about it, what's the average in. He's averaging. Basically, this is Tim Duncan, if you can see it. I don't know if you guys can see. Can they see it? Okay, so Tim Duncan, in his first playoff games to the right, his first nine games played, he averaged 20.7 points in 4:42 minutes, nine rebounds, two and a half blocks, almost 56% true shooting. Wimby is averaging 20 and a half points and 29 minutes, 11 and a 11.2 rebounds, 4.2 blocks on 65 and a half percent true shooting. So through their first nine playoff games, he's ahead. Not saying he's going to be better than Tim Duncan. We know Tim Duncan is a trend, a transcendent player, arguably. He's ain't no arguing he's a top 10 player. You can make a case for him to be a top 10, top 5 player based on how much he's won the all NBA selection, both offensively and defensively, the Finals MVP, the regular season MVPs. There's a chance he could have been a defensive player of the year. But Wimby is projected to be better. How was. You know, when you look at it and we said this the other night, Joe, I'm not so sure Minnesota win this game is Wendy, if we doesn't get kicked out, and we all agreed last night they were going to blow Minnesota out tonight. Yeah, Minnesota got their hands full. They're going to have to be on their best behavior when the game swings back to Minnesota or they're going to end this series. Joe, what did you like from what you. What did you like about San Antonio? And more importantly, what did you like about Wimby tonight?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, Ocho, go ahead. I see you itching for something. What you got?

[Host Ocho]

Hey, hey, wait. Hey, listen. I don't know if coach made Wemby, you know, apologize to a teammates or if he did something formal in the locker room, you know, for. For what he did. Getting thrown out the game and putting. Putting the team in. In such a inadvantageous situation which. Which allowed Minnesota to win that game. But his apology to them was loud as hell once he got on that goddamn court.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Host Ocho]

Boy, he gave them boys hell, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Host Ocho]

Not gave him hell. I'm talking about right off the back. Right off the back. Here, let me show y' all how sorry I am by coming out here, setting the tone and dominating early in the game. And, and once he started off like that, everybody else finished it off. Yeah, the Wolves ain't have it. The Wolves ain't have a chance all night long, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because I was looking, I was watching the game. I started watching the game in the lounge and then I was watching on television. And they get out to a 14 point lead. And the Wolves cut it all the way back down to two. Yeah, they get out to a 13 point lead. They cut it all the way back down to three. I was like, well, damn, San Antonio, y' all can't keep any separation. Give Minnesota credit. They're not willing to die just yet. But then I looked up again, they up 18. And next I was like, well, damn, what, what, what really happened? But obviously, you see, they're a different team with Wimy. Yeah, they're a different team with Wimy. There's no way around it. You see what they shot 30, less than 30. 40% from the field, less than 30% from the three point line. They did. They were aggressive. They got to the free throw line 30 times, made 24 of those. The rebounding disparity again, 50 to 42 plus 8 for San Antonio, everybody, minus Julius Randall, minus 22, Jaden McDaniels minus 12, Rudy minus $15, minus 20, Ant man, minus 9. And the problem that you run into, guys, if Rudy Gobert is going to give you four and five and their center is going to give you 27 and 17, you're not winning that game.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, what we talk about the other night, Hell, when you got Wimby out there, bro, they already, you already at a disadvantage. He just too, he's just too big of a difference. Fellas, listen, I'm watching. Hell, when they brought Julius, I mean, when they brought Nas Reed in, he got Nas Reed throwing the ball all over the damn backboard. He, he trying sky hooks and all kind of trying to get that ball over that, man. Hey, hey, hey. I'm talking about it ain't hitting no rim, I'm telling you. Listen, so if he don't even block it, hell, the chances of you making the shot, it's just almost impossible, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on.

[Host Ocho]

Hey, Joe, what do you throw?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He throwing what?

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho, I seen him throw one like that. Then he threw a hook. He threw a running hook. I said, damn,

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ojo, you know how you. Man, I sure hate to tell somebody something because I know they gonna throw it up in my face. Man, I sure hate to shoot this shot. I know women gonna throw this issue back in my face.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, hey, but he know, but n knew he had that, that that was his biggest defense. Meaning, like he got to go at Wimby, man, it's hard to score over that, man, bro. Hey, when he's sitting there and, and you get by him or you go straight up, bro, it is hard to score that ball, man. I, I think the timber, I thought they played pretty good. You know, the game got away from him at the end, but whoo, he just too much.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Fellas, the, the pro. The problem is, is that when you look at it and you say, because that is not his normal shot. Every once in a while guy, you know, you make a he from half court, but that's not a shot that you practice. That's not your, like you said, muscle memory. Yeah, not your normal muscle memory. His muscle memory. Kareem. I mean, I think I might have saw Kareem shoot a normal shot. I'm talking about like he shot a free throw from the field.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Maybe a handful of times. His muscle memory was this.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it was this. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And so nas go that they're trying to throw that, you might hit it here, there, but that's not your normal shot. Your muscle doesn't have the memory to shoot that shot. Right, but you know, if I shoot a regular shot, I'm gonna have to eat that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey, because when you playing the game of hoops, bro, you playing off instincts. So like your moves not premeditated. You know, you, you may give him a little haha and whatever he go for and you go to the goal and now you got to figure out what you gonna do. But hell, he right there, I'm like, damn. Hey, it's, it's, it's challenging, man, but they, they gotta continue to go at him. I, I, I, I, I agree with you. Oo when we started the game, bro, he was like, look, hey, my bad

[Shannon Sharpe]

fella,

[Host Ocho]

like you said, right? They was, they was, they was closing the lead down to 2. Obviously, you know the game of basketball, so it's a game of runs, you know, so you're going to have, you're going to have leads, they going to close it down. And then a team like the goddamn spurs that got. Damn. Kelton Johnson. Oh yeah, that goddamn Kelvin Johnson off the goddamn year. Hey, young, young boy had 22. He was, he was efficient as hell tonight.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey.

[Host Ocho]

I think he was one of the big differences, because if you look at it right, shoot, four out of the five for the, for the Wolves. Shoot, they was in double figures. Hell, four out of the five for goddamn for the spurs was in double figures too. But then you add goddamn Kelvin Johnson with his 21, man. All that make a difference, Joe?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, dude, the thing is, you said the Timberwolves and double figures. Look at what they shot to get double figures. Julius Randall has 17 points on 17 shots. Yeah. Jaden McDaniels had 17 points on 13 shots. Do Somo had 16 points on 14 shots. Ant man had 20 points on 13 shots. And now you come down and you looked at wimbiyama. He had nine on 16, eight of 11 for Stefan Castle, eight of 11 for Kelvin Johnson, 50%. Dylan, Dylan Harper. And so that is the, that's the difference in the ball game there. Yeah, they got double figures. But if you go take, if you go get 17 points and it's going to take you 17 shots to get it, Congratulations.

[Joe Johnson]

It's gonna be hard to win like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Congratulations.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, and another reason in this series, Rudy ain't giving you no 20 nothing, you know what I'm saying? So you ain't getting no points from Rudy. And the only thing, the one thing that really hurts Minnesota, bro, is when Rudy's in the game and that damn Wimby don't have to guard no damn body, man. He just clogging up the paint. You know, he, he, he, he, he like that free safety out there, Uncle Ocho. He giving everybody hell, you know. Cause he can help off him, you know what I mean? So I know they try to bring Nas Reed in, so, so he can kind of go at him and, you know, obviously respect him and keep him away from the basket. But it's just so tough, man, because Minnesota has to have a guy who's gonna play up in the 30s. Meaning, like ant man gonna have to. He got to be at least 35 man for them to be, for them to win, especially on the road. Like, he playing great, don't get me wrong. But you know, and under the circumstances that he's under, Joe, 13 shots for

[Shannon Sharpe]

him ain't gonna cut it. You're not winning the game. You go, this is what's gonna happen to you. If ant man only take 13 shots, you gonna get blown out. He needs to be in the mid-20s.

[Joe Johnson]

I think he's still, he's still working through a Little something. He. He looked like he getting better, but hell, they got so many guys. Meaning I need. McDaniels didn't play bad, but Julius Randall, he got to be a little better efficiently running him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Played good this series, if we be honest.

[Joe Johnson]

I know in this kind of. It's hard, man. I know it's hard, but he has

[Shannon Sharpe]

the advantage because he's either gonna have champagne or of a sale.

[Joe Johnson]

But he got the advantage. He got the advantage, but he got. He got cover too, on the man over the top. He. He see him. Yeah. He can't get how he gonna get to the cup. Yeah, man, that man got to shoot all them fade away jumpers. That's what he gotta make.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you got. He got you shooting fade away jumper. Cause you know he want to get to the rim. He want to power through the rim.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. So think about it. If he trying to. If he big body in him, hell, by the time you turn around and shoot and Wimby standing right there. Cause Rudy right over here, he ain't really got to guard him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Johnson]

So it's tough, it's challenging. I see what's going on out there. That's why I say, when Wimby ain't on the floor, bro, it seemed like an even game. Even when he go to the bench. At times.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what I mean? But they just so deep. Meaning San Antonio with guys coming off the bench. And I agree. Ocho, Kelden Johnson, bro, he's probably the second most important player tonight, bro. The way he played with that efficiency and getting to it. They're a tough team, man. He young.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He made a mistake. He didn't understand. He's like, okay, you know, Ain't nothing gonna happen. He didn't realize. Cause like, think about it. Think about this. This man is in the NBA. He's like, he's. Cause you can see Harrison barn. Tell him. He's like, what? That he grabbed it? What that mean? You ejected? I'm ejected? Yeah. They threw your ass out. Yeah, because he had no idea. He really thought he was gonna come back. He thought they're gonna get him up. You know, they shoot the fire shot. They. And he gonna come back in the game.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Yeah.

[Host Ocho]

Hey, you heard what he said? Oh, okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host Ocho]

He got up and left.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. He's like, oh. I don't know if anybody remember the movie In Cold Blood with Truman Compromise, the Critter family. These guys were in prison, and somebody was in prison, told a lie that this family, they Had a farm, but they had lots of money in the safe. One of them was in the job. I mean, they had a borderline iq, Ocho and Joe. And when he told him what had happened, he thought. Because he told him what would. What. What had actually happened. Wanted to get. Because they found them, and he told him what would happen. He thought, okay, we going home? Like, no, you're not going home. You're going to get home.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's like, really? He's like, yeah, really. So he don't. He didn't know. He's like, oh, man, they gonna shoot five shots. I'm gonna be okay. It's all good. Hey, hey. Then he's like, man, I cost our team a game. Because I. I'm of the inclination that me being wimy, they can't win with us. With. With me in the lineup. He has to play bad. He gets in the 20s, Timberwolves not beating him. Joe. The only chance they got is that when he played really, really bad.

[Host Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, what was he, like, 6 or 17 or 5 or 17. But if he scores in the 20s.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he's shooting a. They not winning.

[Joe Johnson]

No. It's going to be hard to beat him. It's going to be hard. Hey, listen, I think this was a. A very humbling experience for Wimy, meaning this was a learning experience for him. You know, I can kind of tell through his demeanor throughout the game. Obviously, he was so serious about the game. He's always been like that. But after the game interview, just listening to him talk, he understands that he pretty much, you know, cost that game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Game four. And, you know, with the thrust that he came out and played with in the first few minutes, bro. Hey, it could be scary. Uncle Ocho. I think that's a learning experience for him if they're able to get up out this series, obviously. And look, when you look, even throughout the game, the game's still so physical. Look how every time they get a chance to put their hands on their boy, what they doing? Pushing them down but putting their elbow on him, like, just. Just. Just roughing him up. Yeah. Hey, look. And then he started getting fouled. Every time he. Look, every time he get knocked to the ground, he look up at the ref. Then he started to notice like, okay, this how they play? Huh? This how? This how it's going down? Okay, well, look, let me get my ass up and get on back on defense.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Now y' all don't piss me off.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. Similar. Hey. Similar. When we was all in New York, and y' all pissed me off and I went off.

[Host Ocho]

Hey, listen, he gonna, he gonna, he gonna lay that down, man.

[Joe Johnson]

That's how Wendy, that's how Wimby did tonight. I'm talking about. He wasn't playing no silly games with them boys, man. He a human cheat code.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Greg Popovich went straight to the airport to speak with Wemby as soon as the spurs landed back in San Antonio yesterday afternoon. Here's the footage, guys.

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[Host Ocho]

I wonder what he said teaching them

[Joe Johnson]

that old school pivot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell, hey, he's like, look son, you made a mistake. You're not. You're not your worst mistake. You're not your best thing to happen. You're somewhere in the middle. Don't let, don't let this moving forward take away your aggressiveness and how you played this ball game. Yeah, that has happened. We can't do nothing about that. The two days that we can't do anything about is yesterday and tomorrow. Don't let that enter into anything that we moving forward. We're moving forward without that baggage. Leave that behind. You're the best player on the court now. Tomorrow. Go two days. Go show it. Go show why you're one of the MVP finalists. Go show why your defensive player of the year. Go show why in your third year, you're going to be an all NBA selection. Go show why many project you. When it's all said and done, you're going to be in consideration for one of the great, the greatest player of all times. Just go show them why. Leave no doubt.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, you know what else he told him? Understanding that you're a great player and the only way these guys can slow you down is by being physical and pissing you off and hoping you get out of character.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get out the game. Yep.

[Joe Johnson]

Period, point blank. Only way to stop him, stay locked in. Understand? They gonna Be physical, and that's part of the game. Just get back up, I think. And. And pretty much that's what I seen tonight. I ain't really see a whole lot of discouragement, you know, on his face. You know, he just kind of just took it as it came, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, he's a phenomenal. He's a phenomenal talent. You know what. What from. From just watching and listening to him. He want to compete. Think about how he talked about All Star Game. I'm going to compete.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Think about how he approaches everything. Ain't no Kiki Key. Ain't no funny game. There's a time and a place for everything. But when I'm suiting up against other NBA players, that's not the time for funny games.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm trying to win. I'm trying to send a message. That's why the guys had to play hard. They didn't have no choice. Cause they saw his ass out there playing hard.

[Joe Johnson]

You heard Ant man said. Ant man said. He said that's what made him turn up. He said the way Wimby came out and he was playing, you know, he turned up. But I. I think that's affection. Affection is for him, Uncle Ocho. And I also really believe he. He wants to be the best player to play this game, bro. He want to be the best player to play this game. You can. You can tell by how he goes about himself, and he understands that he's a unique talent. And I think he's really locked in, bro, to win. I'm talking about him win this year. He want to win now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what I mean? So I think going through this, you know, if they able to get about this series, I think it'll be a learning experience for him. And going against that OKC team, you know, he'll be. He'll have to heal. He gonna have to be locked in against some boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And who said. Who says I gotta wait my turn? I'm jumping in line.

[Joe Johnson]

That's what I'm saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Magic Johnson ain't wait his turn.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Magic won his first year. Bird won in his second year. Tim Duncan won in his first. Who said I gotta wait?

[Joe Johnson]

And I'm different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do what?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, I'm good. Y', all. Y'. All. Y' all wait. I ain't waiting. I told you, I get my chickens by smashing the eggs, not by letting them hatch. Takes too long. I want what I want right now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't want to get to me now.

[Host Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Take it. Okay. Keep It. I come get it. I know where it's at. I know where they keep that Larry o' Brien trophy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get it.

[Joe Johnson]

That show how he playing too?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he got a lot. He got, he got young guys, they

[Joe Johnson]

ain't got no choice, but they hungry, too. Them guys around them, they hungry too, and they understand the moment, too. Fellas, don't get it twisted. You know, they know they got a, A great chance because I know they super confident playing against that OKC team because they've had so much success against them this year. What, they won three. Three out of the four times, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So they gonna go in pretty confident.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I, I, and I don't have, I don't have a problem with that. With the way he approaches the game, the way San Antonio approaches the game. Those young guys, I like the fact that they're coming up together. We go, hey, we gonna win or lose this thing together.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, they got a squad because they,

[Shannon Sharpe]

if you look at Champagne and Wemby, obviously they traded for Fox Basel, Castle. They there the nucleus, man.

[Joe Johnson]

They got. I'm talking, they deep too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They got a nice little squad, man.

[Joe Johnson]

They do. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who.

[Joe Johnson]

Who could definitely challenge. Who's definitely gonna try and challenge OKC bro to get to the final? This, hey, this is gonna be one of them. One of thems, boy. Yeah,

[Shannon Sharpe]

it's gonna be a ant. Man's gonna have to have one of those. Another one of those out of body experiences. He's more than capable of doing that.

[Host Ocho]

Got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got to go crazy, but he damn sure better. He damn sure better because that, hey, that, that dude with a size 20

[Host Ocho]

shoes, why you wear size 20?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's stepping on folks. Hell, I'm surprised he ain't big. A foot ain't bigger than that.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, man, you know what? They struggle. So they, like, even when they was at home that last game before women got kicked out, I think they were struggling to score. They struggle. I'm talking about Minnesota.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Remember how it was in the paint?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like, going up in there, you good?

[Joe Johnson]

It's like, man, they got something good for you?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I'm good.

[Joe Johnson]

It's like, if Minnesota don't get off to a fast start, you know, everybody

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Host Ocho]

Foreign

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[Joe Johnson]

I I'll be a little worried at times so I I hope they, I hope they come out blazing and get it to a game seven bro. I wanna game sevens just hit a little different fellas.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For sure. Yeah for sure. And I want to see it. I'm here for it. All right guys, we got some. We got some Laker news. Luca reportedly does not want the Lakers to trade Austin Reeves for Giannis. According to to the Athletic. Multiple league sources said that the belief was illustrated when Luca told people within the organization that he wouldn't want Reeds to be included in any potential trade packages for Milwaukee's Giannis. Antetokounmpo Donchic would strongly prefer a team constructed that includes him, Reeves alongside whatever star Lakers could acquire. The team also promised Luca a balanced roster similar to 2024. An anonymous Lakers anonymous Laker room Lakers locker room source said we just don't have enough good players. When discussing the gap between the Lakers and the thunder during the four game sweep to the defending champs for the Athletic, GM's Rob Pelinka has made it clear he wants LeBron back but stop short of calling him a number one priority. Of course any team including ours would love to have LeBron James on their roster. The archetype of the roster that won't be going to be retrofitted around Luca and thinks he need clearly he's that leader and the player of the for the future that we want to build the right way. Joe, where does the Lakers go from here?

[Joe Johnson]

Who I don't know. We in some scary hours now. Cause hey, it didn't sound like hell they was gonna make it a priority to bring Brian back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. Well we knew that. That's why they didn't. That's why they didn't. They didn't extending you remember just the blast. I mean think about it. Normally when LeBron plays on a one year it's because he wants to.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because normally what do they do? Tear it up, give him a year and another player a year. So normally he's on a two, two year, three year deal. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That ain't what they did this year. But it's amazing to me, it's amazing how they want to build a team around Luca. But when LeBron asked for certain things, they never did that. Did a joke. You notice that? Okay, my bad. I'm sorry.

[Joe Johnson]

Listen, hold up though. Here's what might be happening. They may construct a roster and still, you know, obviously be able to, you know, add Braun, but I think Brian wants to see them probably make some moves before he commit right away. He ain't never gonna be in no rush, Ocho. You can't say he ain't coming back. The man he playing, he on the team with his son, then building a way 40, 50 million dollar house. I mean, come on, Joe.

[Host Ocho]

He not coming back. Joe, let's. Let's just. Let's get this right, right? Let's understand the way the. The Lakers are constructed, right? How many pieces are away from winning the championship. Think about it. Lucas said he don't want Giannis. We know why he don't want Giannis. Even I have a better understanding of the game that Giannis has to have the ball in his hands. Luca has to have the ball in his hands. Luke and Giannis, that's not going to work. Why does he want Reeves? He and Reese work well together. They work very well together. LeBron works well as well because now he diverts himself to being the third option and he had nobody inserting himself in it. He had no problem inserting himself in games when need be. Let Luca do what he does, let Reed do what he does. Still, they have nobody that can defend, right? They have no defenders outside of Marcus Smart, deandre Ayton. I mean, no disrespect to Young Bull, but he hasn't lived up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You mean the. The abomination. I mean, I mean, oh, my bad,

[Host Ocho]

my bad, you know, but they need too many people.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, my bad, Joe. I mean, you talking about the big hallucination.

[Host Ocho]

Listen, Joe, whatever you want to, whatever you want to call him, they need too many pieces in his. In his. And it's not enough players that they can get right now. This year or next year, all of a sudden we're going to come in and be able to compete with other teams in the West.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn. Ojo. They were just missing the top score of Luka, okay? Since Luka asking for all this. Damn. Can he stay healthy enough throughout the post season so we can see what we really got?

[Host Ocho]

You know, what it was gonna look

[Shannon Sharpe]

like regardless what you mean, Joe, if

[Host Ocho]

Luca was hurt, you, you. They still they made. Would they might have won. What, one. One.

[Shannon Sharpe]

One game?

[Joe Johnson]

We don't know. Ocho, he the leading scorer in the NBA. We don't know. He's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, he's played well against them type of teams, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he knocked him out. Hey, that's how they got to the finals.

[Host Ocho]

Hey, man, him and who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Him and Kyrie.

[Host Ocho]

Ain't no Kyrie on the Lakers.

[Joe Johnson]

Come on, bro. You got. Bro, you got Braun and Austin Reeves. We don't know, bro. We don't really know.

[Host Ocho]

Like, I. I like the way you being naive, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

No, I think. I think they. I think they do need another piece or two, but, damn, they got to stay healthy, bro. This is why we say not only do you want to be clicking in April going into the postseason, but you need your guys to be healthy as well, bro. Hell, if you ain't healthy, it don't. I mean, look, bro, we got people playing out of position.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it is. Yeah.

[Host Ocho]

So.

[Joe Johnson]

So hold on.

[Host Ocho]

Let me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me.

[Host Ocho]

Let me get this correct. Before you go, Joe. Are you saying if Luca paid, if Luca played, if Luca was healthy, that this series with the Thunder would have went. Would have. Would have been different?

[Joe Johnson]

Could be, man. Hell, they missing an all star over there. And for OKC and Jalen Williams. So if you got Luca and he giving you 30 a night. 30 plus a night. You know, Brian giving you anywhere from 18 to 24 a night. Ar giving you his 22. And Rui out here shooting the blood out that thing, huh? I don't know, Joe.

[Host Ocho]

We ain't playing 2K. This ain't NBA 2K, Joe. This is real life. We talking about reality. I'm just saying, bro, a healthy Lakers team is not beating the Thunder. They might win a game, maybe one or maybe two if that. And if they win two, it's only because the NBA and the refs colluding

[Shannon Sharpe]

so they can pay the bills.

[Host Ocho]

That's it. Let's be realistic.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, stop putting smart on our name, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Think about it. They win the championship, and he breaks the team up. Why would you ever get rid of Caruso? Yeah, you need three and D guys. He talking about the team that Luca had around him in. In. In Dallas.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What did he have, Joe? Guys that could defend. He had two scores. Guys that could defend and shoot the three. He had Washington. But Gaffer. What was Gaffer? Rebounding. Lob threat.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Lively. What was he?

[Joe Johnson]

Rebound. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

P.J. washington, three. Yeah, and then you had Kyrie and him. But that's not What? That's not what. What you call him did. He wanted to break it up. What I don't understand for the life of me, Joe, you remember when they was in the bubble, what did. And somebody said, what's your game plan for Russ? Let him shoot. Yeah, they said, let him shoot. And then the next year, what they do, they go sign. They got it. They said, we gonna let him show. Make it make sense. Now, see, See, now y' all don't piss me off. Let's be all the way real. If Rob Pelinka was not Kobe's agent, does he have that job?

[Joe Johnson]

No, sir, but y' all don't want

[Shannon Sharpe]

to talk about that. All you want to talk about. Well, LeBron got his son on his team. LeBron hand picked this. Let's have a real conversation. I got time today.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah,

[Shannon Sharpe]

what about them pigs? What about Serafino Hood? Hood. Seraphino with his. Seraphino hood. Where is he? He was your first round pick a couple of years ago. Where is he, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

No, I have no clue, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Out of Indiana. Yeah, you're right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, I'm just checking. You had defenders, you had Javail, you had Dwight Howard. You're not paying them $30 million. You break it up just because. And get what? Say, you know what? I think we'll be better if we have Carmelo. And Camillo is a phenomenal player. He's a phenomenal offensive player. But Camillo was old and he couldn't defend. Russ has never been known as the defender, and he couldn't shoot. I give you a prime example. I remember we. The one time I really got upset at Mike in 1999, we played against D.C. dale Carter his whole career in Kansas City. We would come in there on a Wednesday and say, you know what, guys? He's gonna do something to cost his team. He's gonna get a penalty. He's gonna get sneaky, gonna get a little lazy with his eyes, and he gonna give us a big plate. What did Mike do in 1999? Go sign the very guy said we need to stay away from Because. But y' all don't want to talk about Rob. Oh, y' all talking about. Hold on. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What about Magic? Do y' all really know? Y' all see, I got time today. I got a little bit of time on my head today, cuz, you know, I've been busy. Had to get up early this morning, shoot a podcast, jump on the flight. Had to come down and say, we got a shoe. I said, No, I gotta take a shower. I got smelling like get back right now. So I gotta get in the shower. I gotta get that up off me. Hey, ain't nobody asked why Magic Johnson quit. Why he just quit up and quit. Him and Genie. Sisters. Brother sisters. They like brother sisters. Oh, they wanted Luke Walton, man, say he. Yeah, you know what? Y' all keep Luke. I'm up out of here. Yeah, LeBron wanted Ty Lou. The man won a championship. Coached unbelievable. Nah, we gonna keep. We gonna. We gonna keep Luke Walton, man, but you see what Luke did with Golden State. I could have coached Golden State with Steph, kd, Draymond and Clay. Who the hell couldn't coach them to a championship? How you look with the Lakers? How I look with Sacramento?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, so he wanted that. So he wanted. He wanted to do that. I ain't got no. Hey, that's what you want. But now you want to make all these things you want to get. Exactly. But I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen. And y' all know Luca, one of my favorite players. You're not winning. Name a time you got a back court that's defensively challenged that you won a championship with.

[Joe Johnson]

It ain't one boy name.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Think about it. What did they say when they played Luca? We want Luca to guard, so we gonna put him in the pick and roll. As great as he is offensively, when you see the clutch situation, last five minutes game. What happened Officer Reeves, last night? What did they do every time they wanted a basketball? Aj, Mitchell or Shay, whoever he's guarding, bring him to me. I need to see him. Y' all watch the game?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's gonna be very, very interesting. You better get some guys that can defend whether LeBron is there or not. I'm ready for LeBron to leave. I really am. Cause they. All they do is blame him. Cause all I know, they didn't from their Last championship was 2010, and the next one they wanted was 2020. In the pandemic, nobody once Kobe retired. Because you got to realize Kobe was hurt his last couple years. Kobe was shooting under 40% his last couple years. Nobody was even talking about the Lakers until LeBron went there. And you didn't have to recruit him. He went on his own. Hey, I want him to leave. And I want to see how many championship. Because if you think about it, Joe, let me tell you something you've never heard about the Lakers. The Lakers, how many championship they won a lot. Now, the Heat. The Heat had one championship, and what do they Sell you before they got any more championships. Heat culture.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You hear? Golden State. You mean to tell me a team that got 17 championship ain't got no culture, huh? I'm looking for something. Joe coming out now. Who they developed? Kareem wasn't there. Shaq. You didn't drag. Shout Shaq when last time they developed the player.

[Joe Johnson]

I see where you're going.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, but, but, but, but. They try. Oh, boy. Rob, Rob, Rob. Think about. Okay, you're hot. You didn't. You wanted loot. So Magic says, I'm up out of here the next year later, you lose Ty, Luke. Now you go get Vogel. Guess who his backcourt was? Two of the smartest people to ever play in the NBA. LeBron James and Ray John. Rondo.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What y' all want to run? What y' all want to run? I ain't gonna get up get sweaty. My knees hurting tonight. Hey, Braun. Rondo. My knees and my back hurt. I'm sitting down tonight. Hell, okay, you know what? Frank Bowler is afraid to have a dial year. LeBron get hurt. They get swept. I think the Suns did. You get Darvin Ham. I just want to know what y' all gonna do. I'm anxious to see because I'm a Luca fan. I'm an Austin Reeves fan. Austin Reeves story. It should be a documentary.

[Host Ocho]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For a guy to come out that's an undrafted free agent to average 7 points, 9 points, 13 points. I mean, 19 points, 23 points. It should be studied. Just go. To show you what you can do when you put your mind to it and you put the work in. A lot of it has to do. Joe. Sometimes, don't you. You know, you got to go to the right situation. Yeah, he went to the right situation.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He spoke in glowing terms how LeBron took him on his wing. He didn't have to. But I'm. I'm gonna be watching. I'm gonna be watching. Now I'm gonna need to see some championship Laker fans. I want to see some championships in the. In the next five years. I need to see some championship.

[Host Ocho]

Okay, now, you said next five years. Now that makes much more sense, because what they need is five.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm giving them grace. Oh, yeah. You want me to be. You want me to be more generous? I say 10.

[Host Ocho]

Nah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, man, they got. They got the. They gotta take a real look at, you know, some roster changes just in order to get to where I'm talking about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In the next five years, will OKC be better or worse than what they Are right now, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

They gonna be. They're probably gonna be better or the same.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. In the next five years, San Antonio, they're gonna be better or worse than what they are right now, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Better.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, damn. So either they need to move to the Eastern Conference or the Lakers need to step their game up. Now. One of the two need to happen.

[Joe Johnson]

You better figure it out. Oh, wait.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The problem was, and I don't know if LeBron really, really factored this in. It's kind of like the situation where you don't fully evaluate the situation. We go in and we drop a couple of bombs on Iran and what, what's the worst they can do where they can shut that thing down and you'll make it hell on you, LeBron.

[Joe Johnson]

Let's see.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm not really homegrown. I've been their most beloved and cherished players chief rivalry for a decade plus. How am I going to feel? How are they going to feel if I come in? Because people minds are warped. See, they don't. They like. Well, he trying to erase Kobe's legacy. How you erase somebody's legacy? Kobe's already done what he did, right? He's trying to enhance the Lakers, make the Lakers relevant. No matter what you think, Lakers wasn't on the T on TV like they were when they had all them guys and they were celebrating and, and hitting, doing all kind of crazy stuff. Don't nobody talk about the Lakers. Go back when last time. We hadn't talked about the Lakers since Kobe. What, that 60 point game? We didn't talk about the Lakers before and we hadn't talked about them since until 1:23 showed up.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah,

[Shannon Sharpe]

Caruso. $9 million a year. That's what the Bulls offered him. Nah, we ain't gonna match that. A guy that's 3 and D, outstanding defender, anchor, knock down shots. Remember he made three big threes last night?

[Host Ocho]

Last night?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, and he played outstanding and he plays outstanding defense. That's what he's known for. I mean, you had him and kcp, but you know what they say. You know what? We don't want to leave Tucker, Taylor, Horton, Tucker. We don't want to lose him, Joe. So we're gonna give him three years. 32 million. Now where is he currently?

[Joe Johnson]

He overseas somewhere.

[Host Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So LeBron James is a free agent. Austin Reeves has a player option. Rui is a free agent. DeAndre Ayton, player option. Marcus Smart, player option. Luke Canard, free. Jackson Hayes, free. Maxi Cleaver, free.

[Joe Johnson]

You want to bring a couple of them guys back. Try and bring a couple of guys back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, Rui definitely should be. You should. Definitely should try to bring Rui back. You definitely should bring. Ruin back.

[Host Ocho]

That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I'm saying that. Look, I mean, I don't know how many guys you can bring back. Austin Reeves gonna. Austin Reeves gonna opt out of that.

[Joe Johnson]

I think that's. That's gonna be. I think that's gonna determine a lot. Ar. Is he gonna get. Is he gonna get a max deal or is he gonna get somewhere close to a max or. Or is he gonna take somewhat of a generous discount? Because if he take two. If he take 250. Okay, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. That's a big chunk of pie.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because if you look. Look at that group. The only guy in that group that can defend is Marcus Smart.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's the only guy that can fit. I thought he did a great job on Shay last night. Yeah, he got his buckets, but he made. He made him work for it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. When you talk about four series. When you talk about four series. I thought he done a hell of a job.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you ask me.

[Joe Johnson]

You. Hey, listen. You guarding. You guarding arguably the best player in the game right now, who's probably gonna be the mvp. Listen, out of four games, bro, he got. Yeah, he had one game to where he was. Him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He went off.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you gotta live with that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Somebody told me you lied. Lakers went on t. I don't remember Lakers being on TV when Kobe when co. I don't remember them gonna be on TV because Kobe was hurt. You're a lie. Like, it wasn't on tv. But I tell you who was on tv. The Cleveland Cavaliers.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And they go to State warriors, the Boston Celtics, when they had them young guys coming up. Tatum and Brown, Smart, Al Horford. I can tell you who was on tv. You would say. You see, it's easy to say that now. Cause LeBron there. They're gonna be on TV after LeBron leave. Cause Lucas there. But you a lie. You a lie. They wasn't on tv. Yeah, they were in LA market, but they weren't broadcast nationally. Don't do that.

[Host Ocho]

The product. The product wasn't the same.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, it wasn't. It wasn't. The Laker LA is predicated on winning. Yep, it's predicated on winning. So if you don't win, what do we. Ocho Joe, we know because we have the luxury of being able to go where we want to go. There's too much going on in LA for you to Go sit in a building when you got. You can sit on rooftops, you can sit on decks, you can go to the beach. And I'm gonna go sit somewhere where they losing. And I could be up in Malibu. I could be on Venice.

[Host Ocho]

I could be at Newport, Santa Monica, Pierre. Too much to do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It takes a lot to. Boy. But it's a. It's amazing how we remember things. It's. You know, sometimes our memory is what we want it to be. Yeah. We can go back and look at things and what's the first thing they say, Guys? I don't quite remember it like that. I bet you don't. I bet you don't. But we gonna find out. Yeah, we about to find out.

[Joe Johnson]

We are.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I hope that. Look, Luca, Luca, my guy. I'm gonna root for it. I rooted for him when he was in Dallas. It was great when he came to the Lakers. Cause LeBron was there. I root for Luca, but I'm a LeBron fan. I didn't make no secret about that. I've been a LeBron fan.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hold on. So. But do you really feel. You really think it's a great chance he going somewhere else, though?

[Host Ocho]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You do.

[Host Ocho]

I told you, Joe, I said that. What? That last night show. What's what show? That was. I said that. Yeah, I said. I'm telling. I'm telling you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's just hard. It's just hard. Joe and Ocho, man, come on now. The warriors you've been making. Joe, you've been making 50 million. How long you been making 50 million? And they want to break you off with a little eight piece. You don't have 50. You have been eating 50 nugget 50 pieces. Yeah, they try to go and get a little six piece, you're like, man, come on now.

[Host Ocho]

Hold on, hold on. Hey, I got. Listen and I. I got. I got something that could fix that too now.

[Joe Johnson]

What's that? What?

[Host Ocho]

They want to give him a little six piece. You've been getting 50 all this time, right? I got one place he can go where they can give him that six piece and he could make up. That's 50 based on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh? Go to New York, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

I'm not saying New York wouldn't be a great place, but they still playing and we don't know how they may finish out. So I. You know, that's kind of hard to. Kind of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because they're not going to want to break that if they. Hey, let's just say for the sake of argument, they go to and they win. The championship, they not gonna be foolish. People break their entire roster up and talk about, oh, we get a big name.

[Host Ocho]

Nah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause you're gonna have to get off some of those pieces that make you click.

[Host Ocho]

Why would you have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

People don't want OG People gonna want Miles Bridges.

[Host Ocho]

Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Excuse me. Mikhail Bridges.

[Host Ocho]

LeBron is free. You don't have to give up on. You don't have to give up nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But. But to make. To make the salaries work. Joe, I just told.

[Host Ocho]

I just told you he'd take the six piece because he can make more off the court because he's in New York. He's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can make that. I can make that. Anyway, he.

[Joe Johnson]

I. I can't. Hey, look, Ocho, I know he. I know he would love to win another title, but I don't see that man taking no discount, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't. I don't see him taking that kind of haircut.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Aren't you. I want to, like, fade. You gave me. You gave me a ball thing. You followed me. You gave me the Kojak.

[Host Ocho]

But listen, I just. I just gave you the only place, the only place, maybe the only other place. That's the only place, the only other market where if you do take a discount, you're gonna make up 4 times 10 being in New York anyway.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, is that the case? He can make up for it in la, too. All of his projects are out there. His production company is out there. The TV show, the game shows, the movies, the documentaries, man, they not winning nothing.

[Host Ocho]

They. They need too many pieces.

[Joe Johnson]

No, they just need a cup. They need, like, another piece.

[Host Ocho]

Oh, Joe, come on.

[Joe Johnson]

And they need these guys to stay healthy. Ocho, you can't. We never seen them full strength for real, bro. And when we did. Hey, look, I'm gonna tell y' all another thing. I listen to Brian press conference. He didn't really sound like he was too. He didn't sound like he was too happy about that Damn. That role he was playing early in the year. No, you asked me. He sound like, you know, I. I played it. Cause, you know, that was best for the team. But, you know, like, he said, man, hell, he. He hadn't played that role, he said since.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ever, he said.

[Joe Johnson]

Then he said, ever. Yeah, then he said ever.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because he's like, hold on. I get Luca. I get Luca. But how Austin Reeves just pole vault me. He said, I get Luca. That man is. Is 14, 15, mere years younger. He could score the basketball just like I can. He can rebound the ball just like I Can he can facilitate? I just like, I can respectfully. How Austin Reeves jumped me, though. I was just an all NBA selection last year. I was just in the all Star game last year. Luca was first, if I'm not mistaken, Luca was first team all NBA. So I get Luca. I'm not arguing that, but I just want y' all to tell me, how did AR jump me?

[Joe Johnson]

Because, listen, okay, we think AR was gonna come out to shoot blazing like he was the first 20, 25 game. The man was unconscious.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, listen, listen. We know you big dog over here, man. Hey, we need you to kind of just fit in with the guys because we don't want to pull the reins back on ar. We want him to keep going, but we need you to fit in seamlessly. Be that Swiss army knife, you know? You know, keep, Keep. Keep the morale of the team up and see what you can add and see if you can be a yes value of service to what we're trying to build. You know, I don't. I don't. I. I thought that, you know, maybe the Lakers thought AR was going to be good, but I ain't think. I don't think they was anticipating that to start the season. Fellas, without Braun on the court, that man was insane. Them first 20, 25 games, he was.

[Host Ocho]

He was cutting up, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But let me ask you a question. Y' all keep on talking about he 41 and ar this and that. Who looked the best in the playoffs against the Thunder? Now, be honest. Put your dislike and hate aside. Who looked the best against the Thunder?

[Joe Johnson]

Well, listen, listen, listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm waiting on the chat to respond. Give me a second. Just a second.

[Joe Johnson]

All right, all right, all right, all right, all right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Whoa, hold on. Not just a minute ago, I was talking and y' all was just hiding. All this, everything with LeBron, it's coming up. Well, damn, Why y' all so slow down? Who led the Lakers in points? Who led the Lakers in rebounds? Who led the Lakers in assist? You mean to tell me a 41 year old outplayed 25, 26, 27 year old? Something ain't right, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, he got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My grandma used to say, boy, something in the milk ain't clean. Oh, oh, yeah. Come on now.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

You know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, that boy different breed. Now, he a different breed, Brian. You're a different breed.

[Host Ocho]

Hey, everybody talk about Rui.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I told him Rui was the most consistent, but that wasn't one of the questions. You see how they change it? Oh, Joe. Well, who did I Say I said, who out of Austin, Reeves and LeBron. You see, instead of getting LeBron credit, what they do with Joe. So you had A or B. They say C. But see, what. What are the options? You see how they did it, Ocho?

[Host Ocho]

They switched the narrative, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, I see y' all debate for fun. Y' all go debate your homeboy. I'm a professional debater. Yeah, you see how I boxed them in? They didn't even know I boxed it in. But they did what I wanted to do, Joe. I wanted him to put Rui to make my point. Ocho, you see, that's how you debate. You give them one or two answers, and when they give you something else, bam. Drop the hammer. That's how you do it. See, that's how you walk somebody into a trap when you debate. Yeah, and they didn't even know it. They thought they were doing something. Ruin. Ruin. Walk you into a trap you didn't even know I had set for you. Now, what were you gonna say, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

Hell, I forgot what we were talking about.

[Host Ocho]

Hey, hey, I'm. Hey, I'm still. I'm still mad.

[Joe Johnson]

All right, go ahead.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

What you got?

[Host Ocho]

I'm still. I'm still mad. You. You said the goddamn Lakers healthy. Would it be the Thunder? You said. We don't know.

[Joe Johnson]

Listen,

[Host Ocho]

don't do that, Joe. You have elite ball.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho. Ocho. I'm not saying they would have beat him, but I think. I damn sure don't think they would have got swept. And what I'm saying is the fact that OKC is down, an all star player, probably second leading score, man, you don't know how things could. You don't. Hey, look, if Luca would have been in this series, hottest fish, he averaging 40.

[Host Ocho]

Joe, we've seen. We've seen the Thunder without Shay. They ain't miss a beat. We see Shay go to the bench, they still ain't miss a beat. And they still don't have their second leading score. They not missing the beat. They have too much depth. It's not happening.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got.

[Host Ocho]

I got one for you real quick.

[Joe Johnson]

What you got?

[Host Ocho]

Knock, knock.

[Joe Johnson]

Who's there?

[Host Ocho]

Okc.

[Joe Johnson]

OKC who?

[Host Ocho]

Okay. See your ass later next year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Lakers.

[Joe Johnson]

Listen, bro, look, I think with the Lakers running the okc. Yeah, meaning them being the best team in the league, bro. But what they had. I thought they. I thought they put up a pretty damn good fight. See, the thing is, AR had to catch rhythm throughout the series. Ocho, he. The man had been out over a damn month with this with this rib thing. So for you to jump right back in the fire against the best team, okay? Not only the best team, but the best defensive team.

[Host Ocho]

Come on, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

It's gonna take you a couple games before you really can get back to yourself. If you can get back to yourself. I thought he gave him pretty good I thought he gave him a couple pretty good games, considering, you know, what they was fighting up against. But, man, look, if you got Luca, bro, I just think it would have been a different series.

[Host Ocho]

Okay? All right.

[Joe Johnson]

I think they'll still be playing hell.

[Host Ocho]

Okay?

[Joe Johnson]

That's my honest opinion, bro.

[Host Ocho]

I got. I got you. I got you. Hey, listen, you know better than me, man. I'm not. Listen.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm just.

[Host Ocho]

I'm learning on the fly.

[Joe Johnson]

That's like, hey, look, think about it. You got the number one scorer in the NBA, okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boom.

[Joe Johnson]

We gotta take him off your team during the playoffs. Like, come on, bro.

[Host Ocho]

Yeah.

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