Nightcap Hour 1: Wemby Turns Into An ALIEN & DOMINATES Timberwolves + Knicks BOUNCE BACK vs Sixers in Game 2

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Nightcap Hour 1: Wemby Turns Into An ALIEN & DOMINATES Timberwolves + Knicks BOUNCE BACK vs Sixers in Game 2

Date: May 7, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, Joe “Iso Joe” Johnson
Special Guest: Cedric “Cornbread” Maxwell

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This episode of Nightcap delivers instant, unfiltered reactions to two headline NBA playoff matchups:

1. Victor Wembanyama (“Wemby”) and the San Antonio Spurs blowing out the Minnesota Timberwolves in Game 2, with Wemby drawing “alien” level praise for his dominance.
2. The New York Knicks’ clutch late-game execution as they edge out the Philadelphia 76ers in Game 2, with deep dives into team chemistry, injuries, and playoff composure.

The panel of Shannon, Ocho, Joe, and Cornbread Maxwell break down what sets apart stars and teams in playoff moments, with a mix of insightful analysis, classic storytelling, and lively banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Spurs vs Timberwolves Game 2: Wemby’s Alien Ascendance

[06:50–21:09]

• The Spurs’ Mindset and Wemby’s Force

  • Ocho frames the Spurs' bounce back after losing Game 1, describing them “like a wounded dog... [they] had to fight, had to bite back” ([07:15]).
  • Wemby’s assertiveness on offense—both scoring and crashing the boards—catalyzed the Spurs’ energy.
  • Maxwell emphasizes playoff stage fright, “first couple times... it’s a different environment,” but now the Spurs “just a better team right now to Minnesota… they have to get together and play with force” ([08:10],[09:04]).

• Offense as the Key

  • Shannon: “Wemby scoring... is more important than his defense because they're a different team. When he scores, they're almost unbeatable” ([09:21]).
  • Conversation on how when Wemby is hitting shots, spacing improves, more players get involved, and defenses like Minnesota’s must stretch out, creating mis-matches.

• Wemby vs. Rudy Gobert Matchup

  • Joe: “The alien”... “got Rudy ass out there in space” ([11:11]). Wemby’s agility “at his mercy,” highlighting Gobert’s movement limitations on the perimeter.
  • Ocho: “Rudy Gobert and Winbanyama move totally different...Wemby moved like a guard or a small forward. Hell, Rudy moved like a five man” ([17:55]).
  • Brad recounts how Gobert’s experience with Jokic didn’t prepare him for Wemby’s dynamic play ([18:28–19:06]).

• San Antonio’s Team Offense & Role Players

  • Every Spur (except Cornette) “can attack you… put the ball on the floor and get to a rim… they put a lot of pressure on you…” ([20:00–20:47]).
  • Cornette’s rim protection gives valuable minutes (“He ain’t no slouch…he’s a vital part to what they do too. Because when Wemby goes out…a rim protector.” - Ocho, [25:01]).
  • The importance of knowing and accepting roles—Shannon: “Knowing your role is one thing. Accepting your role is something entirely different.” ([26:10])
  • Veteran leadership, especially Fox, is crucial for late-game execution and settling young teams ([28:51]).

Notable Quotes

• “That big damn seven-footer, he changing Everything in the game.” — Maxell on Wemby’s generational impact ([13:04])
• “Pressure does bust pipes, but it also makes diamonds.” — Ocho, discussing clutch mentality ([35:04])
• “Sometimes that what we think of diamonds is just broken glass that’s been buried for about 20 years.” — Shannon, on fake ‘clutch’ players ([35:53])
• “Greatness to me is... wanting the ball. Magic wanted the ball. Jordan… but I’ve seen a lot of times... great players get in position... ‘Man, I don’t want that ball.’” — Maxwell ([31:49])

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2. Playoff Pressure, Clutch DNA, and Leadership

[28:51–37:54]

• Veterans vs. Young Players in High-Pressure Moments

  • Analogies between sports—football and basketball—on who wants the ball when it matters; some stars “hide from the ball” ([31:49]).

• “Intestinal Fortitude”

  • Discussion peppers in real anecdotes (e.g., Kevin McHale’s knees “buckling” at the free throw line under pressure, James Worthy not wanting the inbound in a Finals game).

• The Small Details

  • Little plays—role players performing their jobs; sharing vs. seeking the spotlight—determine postseason outcomes, not just talent.

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3. Game 3 Predictions: Spurs or Wolves?

[37:56–40:19]

• Ocho: “I like the Timberwolves going back home. ...It’s hard for them Spurs to win [in Minnesota].”
• Brad (Maxwell): “I’m going the opposite way…Wemby comes in, he’s going to shut that arena down… if Minnesota doesn’t get that crowd involved early, it’s going to be hard.”

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4. Knicks vs 76ers Game 2: The Clutch Brunson Show & Depth Discussion

[43:53–70:42]

• Knicks’ Clutch Winning Formula

  • “Jalen Brunson was Jalen Brunson when he needed to be…they put the ball in his hand and he delivered.” — Shannon ([43:54])
  • Maxwell points out Brunson’s intangible leadership (“He has the spirit in him...that dude’s a leader.” [46:05]) and laments Dallas letting him go.

• OG Anunoby’s Breakout Postseason

  • “OG has been playing out of his damn mind… it seemed like every time he shoot that going in, you know what I mean? And he just make winning plays, bro.” — Ocho ([60:51])
  • OG’s two-way impact cited as a major variable; injuries could swing the series.

• The 76ers’ “Two Teams” (With and Without Embiid)

  • Ocho: With Embiid, “the lane is always clogged…he want the ball every time.” Without him, pace and unpredictability go up, Maxey shines, role players get involved ([47:22]).
  • Discussion about Embiid’s minutes, injury risk, and how “the stars in this league, they don’t like sitting down...they don’t like when you cut their minutes” ([57:41]).

• On Flopping:

  • Maxwell relays Jalen Brown’s assertion: “He’s a damn flopper...I ain’t never seen a big guy go down that many times” (referring to Embiid, [58:39]).
  • Ocho: “Thank you! ...So you saying the refereeing changes during the playoffs?” ([59:16]).

• Knicks’ “Winning Time” Execution

  • Shannon details how the game’s 25 lead changes and 14 ties set the stage for “one of the best clutch players...in the NBA” to seal it, i.e., Brunson ([69:47]).
  • OG’s “winning plays” consistently snuff out Philly’s momentum ([61:28]).
  • The influence of playoff crowd, physicality, and injuries on each team’s odds going forward.

Notable Quotes

• “Jalen Brunson was Jalen Brunson when he needed to be...they put the ball in his hand and he delivered.” — Shannon ([43:54])
• "The Knicks...get you in a close ball game and they put the ball in one of the best clutch players...and he finishes." — Shannon ([69:47])
• “With Embiid, the lane is always clogged...his big ass ain't really...leaving the paint unless he's setting the pick and roll, cause he want the ball every time.” — Ocho ([47:22])
• “OG has been playing out of his damn mind...he just make winning plays, bro.” — Ocho ([60:51])

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5. NBA Storylines & Season Reflections

[62:00+]

• Jalen Brown’s future: Should he seek his own team? Would he shine outside Boston’s supporting cast?
• Steph Curry’s twilight: “Do you waste these last three, four years by him staying [in Golden State]...or do you make a move?” ([64:21])
• Hawks’ catastrophic playoff loss: Group laughter and exasperation about Atlanta’s historic blowout defeat by the Knicks ([65:01–67:47]), ending with classic NBA analogies and banter.

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Memorable Moments & Fun Exchanges

• Ocho and Shannon banter throughout: “Pressure does bust pipes, but it also makes diamonds.” (Ocho, [35:04]) and Shannon’s reply about ‘broken glass’ is quintessential Nightcap energy ([35:53]).
• Maxwell on clutch players hiding: “You can grab the guy and say, I'm... being covered... So you can be on the floor. Greatness to me is... wanting the ball.” ([31:49])
• Rapid-fire analysis on team identities: e.g., Celtics and Hawks’ “shooting team” mentalities, and what happens when that fails ([68:36–69:09]).
• Laughs about Hawks’ failed comeback: “You might as well just get in the locker room...get my bags so we can get on up out of here.” — Shannon ([66:44])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Spurs vs Wolves Game 2 Reaction: 06:50–21:09
• Wemby/Gobert Matchup & Spurs Depth: 11:08–20:47
• Clutch DNA / Role Acceptance: 26:10–37:54
• Game 3 Predictions: 37:56–40:19
• Knicks vs Sixers, Brunson, Embiid & OG: 43:53–62:00
• Role of Stars, Celtics, and Hawks Discussion: 62:00–69:47
• Clutch vs. Pretender Players: 35:04–36:15, 31:49–33:12

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Takeaways for Listeners

• The Spurs’ youth and depth, powered by Wemby’s emergence as one of the “aliens” of the league, makes them lethal if they play with aggression and force.
• The Wolves must find a way for Rudy Gobert to keep up on the perimeter, or else Wemby will run riot; veteran leadership and role acceptance are vital to playoff success.
• The Knicks’ collective grit and Brunson’s clutch mastery put them in prime position, but OG Anunoby’s health looms as an x-factor vs. the Sixers.
• Embiid’s health and presence are both a curse (clogging the lane, disrupting offensive flow) and a blessing (unstoppable on the block); his minutes must be managed carefully.
• Playoff greatness isn’t about stats alone, but about making—and wanting—decisive plays under pressure; the panel’s stories about legends who sometimes shied from the moment add color and wisdom for any fan or player.
• Team identities, from three-heavy tactics to veteran point guards, will dictate who advances; injuries and mentality remain wildcards.

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Nightcap continues to offer one of sports podcasting’s richest postgame storytelling and analysis experiences, fusing hard-nosed takes, goofy metaphors, and veteran wisdom—a must-listen for fans who want to understand not just what happened, but why it matters.

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[Brad]

Well, guys, thank you for having me on. I, I, I, I said this a little bit earlier, Shannon. God bless you. Now let the grave come in. Now we both, we both can't fool people no more. It's time for you to come on in, Joe. Joe. Like Joe trying to scratch something. Joe, you can't scratch it in, baby.

[Ocho]

No, I got, I got a little something. Brett. Brett, I got a little something down there now. Yeah, that's Ocho trying to hide his.

[Joe]

Nah.

[Shannon]

Yeah, he just cut ears off. He can't grow no hair, so he just let it go.

[Joe]

Listen, that's a good thing.

[Shannon]

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[Ocho]

Headed home.

[Shannon]

Minnesota's tied up, so they have to feel good. They got the first game Greg Popovich reportedly be involved in. Oh, he was reportedly involved in the film session after the game one lost spurs beat rider Matthew Tynan reported. Joe, we Gonna go to you first, and then we go to you, Bread. The spurs, how were they able to get on the track and make it look so easy tonight?

[Ocho]

Hey, when you think about it, fellas, it's like a wounded dog, bro. You corner a wounded dog, hell, he gotta fight you. He gotta bite back, you know? I think the spurs were wounded and they knew it. You know, by giving up game one, you could tell by the thrust that they play with today. Meaning I think Wimby is the catalyst. You know what I mean by him playing with force offensively? Not just when he got the ball, but when shots go up and he's able to get in there and initiate contact, get tip backs, get tip outs to where they get extra possessions, that works. That works in their favor a lot. So I think with him understanding, you know, the game and how everybody's going to be physical with him, you know, he's starting to adjust, and I think as the playoffs goes along, you know, he'll continue to adjust and get better. But I just thought the spurs wanted it more. The T Wolves came, they did what they wanted to do. They did. They wanted to win one game, fellas. They got one game. Now they just got to take care of homeboy.

[Brad]

Well, I believe that one of the things that happened is that the spurs hadn't put their toes really in the water yet. Joe, you know how it is when you go into playoffs. You guys know how it is. You go one step and you go deeper, and then by the time you get deeper in the water, like, man, this is different. The spurs, the first couple of times they play, you know, it's a different environment. But as you go deeper in the playoffs, every shot, every rebound counts, and they weren't used to that. Oh, they snap back in, and they're just a better team. They're a better team. Team right now to Minnesota. But because they're a young team, I think it was a little stage fright. You know, when you get up there, you know, I don't care who you are, you. We've all seen guys who are great players in this league kind of get there and they like, damn, Joe, here, you take this ball. I don't want to shoot this ball.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brad]

So I think that Wimby has to take charge of his team, get them on his back. All those young players, because they're young, they have to get together and just play with force. If they play with force, they're going to win the basketball game. They're going to win that.

[Ocho]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Shannon]

When I look at this team, when I look at Minnesota, I think Wimby scoring in this, in these playoffs is more important than his defense because they're different team. When he scores.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

We've seen him get 15, 16 rebounds. We saw him, we saw him have a triple double whip, blocks and rebounds. But when he scores, they're different team. They're almost unbeatable.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Because now you get seven guys in double figure, everybody's shooting at a percentage. And now you have to worry about him. Now he's gonna. Because Rudy just can't let him shoot. Open, shoot open threes.

[Ocho]

Right, right.

[Shannon]

Just can't.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Shannon]

Because the other night, remember, he was over. Yeah. He didn't even come close to making one. You said he's gotta look. If Rudy's gonna leave him unattended, he's got to make three or four of those to make him come out and say, okay, you okay? You want to sit back there and think, I ain't gonna shoot it, I will shoot it. Make him come out. He's going to get his blocks. And even if he didn't get blocks, you saw a couple of times guys had it and they short.

[Ocho]

I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know.

[Shannon]

You go, you about to throw it up out of here.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

And I don't want that to happen. But I just thought the way, the way he played tonight, scoring the basketball early and he did a great job because I watching him warm up, you saw Bismarck Biyombo, he was pushing a. This is what you're going to face in the game.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

They're not going to call this. Maybe they called it in the regular season, but they're not going to call this in the postseason. I thought he did a great job of anchoring himself down. I thought he did a great job of spinning off, getting to the rim. Ocho, you watched this game the other night. Minnesota win and it looked good and they had a shot. Even the spurs, as bad as they played, still had a shot. Joe. To win the game. Had a three point shot at the buzzer.

[Brad]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

That would have won the game, but they blow him out tonight by 38. Oh. What did you like about what you saw from San Antonio? And now even though Minnesota tied it up, they're going back home. They still home court. How do they consolidate it and make sure they get that first win back in Minnesota?

[Joe]

Listen, Wimy was a difference, huh? Wimby was a difference. I thought, I thought the Wolves would have took the formula that they did in the first game and use it exactly the same way in this game. I think one of the few problems that they did have today is actually when y. The. I'm just calling it The. The alien. The. The alien getting goddamn what's tall buddy name. Getting him out there and goddamn space.

[Shannon]

Rudy Gobert.

[Joe]

Oh yeah, getting. Getting Rudy ass out there in space. Knowing for one he's, he. He got him at his mercy. And this. He went 0 for 8 last game. This game he was 2 for 7 from 3. But he had, he had. I think what he, what he had when he had about goddamn 19 points. Hey, that. Hey, brother. Brother castle.

[Ocho]

Yeah, boy.

[Joe]

Hey, he got a middle edge over everybody, boy. Hey, that's the way he play. He's so aggressive. He's so aggressive on offense, he's so aggressive on defense. I, I just. I wanted to be a little more cautious to get himself in foul trouble a little too soon.

[Brad]

A, A little too soon.

[Joe]

Outside of that, man, them goddamn the spurs look like a completely different team. Up by 30 by 30. I'm like, what the hell? What the hell did the. What the hell did the do? Did the Wolves not do this game that they did the first game?

[Shannon]

Shots.

[Ocho]

Yeah, the, the. The spurs didn't make shots that first game. Y' all know, man, it's a huge difference, you know, especially for young teams, if they make shots, they just play a little damn harder. That's just how I go, bro. You know what I mean? And the spurs is still a very young team and everything revolves around Wimby. I agree with you. When Wemby plays good like this, I think offensively it helps out because it opens up the floor a lot more and he's a lot more dangerous. And you start to take your focus off some of those guys around him. And he's a hell of a playmaker, man, at 7 5, the way he handles the ball and passes and make plays. But defensively, if he locks in like this, plays with that aggression and that thrust, that's. That it's going to take to continue to advance, bro. They. They gonna be dangerous. I think what's yet to be seen is how great can they be on

[Brad]

the road that dude you're talking about. Now, Wimby, he's a generational player and we have, we look at players and I've said this all my. My time around, we've seen the league change. We saw a change with Wilt Chamberlain, and then we saw a change. Then we saw Steph Curry change the game. Now this big damn seven footer, he changing Everything in the game. You talking about score. Yeah, it'd be good for him to score. But when you close the basket like that, I don't give a damn what you do when you. You make it so tough that every time you turn around, oh, you see is this guy. I'm sure if I was right now one of the temple walls, as I'm gonna say, like you, Osha, I see in that man my goddamn dreams right now. Every time I feel like he opened the door of my house, like, damn, he let me in. So I think that that's the thing when you talk about him score. But his mainstay needs to be and continues to be that he is the defender that he is. Because Shannon, as you said, when he starts blocking shots and you start going to the hole, man, you, you look. You looking for him. And, and very seldom we've seen this in this league that a guy can play on both ends well, but he dominates as well as Elijah 1. And I thought Elijah 1 was the best I've ever seen and dominated. Yeah, he dominates even better than Elijah 1. I played with Elijah 1 year, but Elijah 1 dominated the game better than anybody. Wimpy is going to take that over. It's going to be crazy.

[Shannon]

The reason why I said, because here's the thing, he doesn't even have to try in defenses there. You know how some guys just have that. Like, I don't even. I ain't even really trying to score the basketball. And they can score. Jordan could score in the sleep. Kobe could score in the sleep. There are certain guys that even on a bad night, they're gonna hit you for 28. Now you mess around and you piss them off and you look slow in your rotation. They gonna get 40 yellow. That's Wimby. Hello. He's gonna alter shot. He's probably never gonna. I mean, think about it. He only played well. How many minutes he played tonight? He played 26 minutes. It had two blocks. If he plays 30, anything over 30 minutes, he's gonna have three to four block shots. That's without even trying. Just because he's seven, five. And some people gonna be foolish enough. Oh, I ain't afraid of you.

[Joe]

What?

[Shannon]

I still ain't afraid. Okay, maybe not. Hey, you take it. But. And when he scores, look at when he started to score. How to lane and how the basket open up for everybody else. Yeah, Castle. Look at what Castle had. He was 6, 10, 21. Versaille Vassell didn't shoot the ball very well, but Darren Fox was five or 10. Champagne got hot in that third quarter

[Ocho]

and started knocking down three.

[Shannon]

He's four, six. So everybody, everybody got hot and the ball just. The floor just opens up when Wimby does what he does. Offensively, they're, they're going to be a very, very hard team for the Timberwolf, and the Timberwolves going to have to play damn near perfect. Yeah, they're gonna really have to play perfect because it's going to be hard because to stay in front of those guys and they got so many guys. The difference is going to have to be Drew Randall because he's the one that has the advantage.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, hey, I agree with you on that. I think, you know, obviously will win, be playing pretty good offensively. The other guy that's more importantly for San Antonio is Darren Fox because he is one guy who has the ball a lot, but I know they got McDaniels on him, but he can create and make plays. And when he asserts himself like he did, I know he went 5 for 10, had 16 points, but that's better than going 3 for 14. You know, they need that efficiency from him. Ake Ocho Castle, I don't necessarily worry about. I feel like his defense kind of thrives so much that it kind of gets him going offensively because he gets wide open shots, slashing, getting to the basket. He's so crafty. I just think San Antonio have so many guys that if all of them play well like they played tonight, which they ain't got to be great, just, just play well, they always gonna have a great chance of winning versus a Minnesota. They're gonna need somebody to explode every night for them to have a chance to win.

[Joe]

You know, when I, when I think about it too, Unc Joe and Brad and I look at this series, right, And Wimby being the one difference maker, obviously having a supporting cast at all that can also play well. I think the person for the wolves that needs to make it happen every single night for this series to, to, to. To go in their favor would be the most ideal candidate that nobody else wants to be, and that would be Rudy Gobert.

[Brad]

He has to be.

[Joe]

He has to. He has no choice but to be the difference maker and make it as difficult as he can for Wimby. I know, listen, you don't want him down there in the block actor.

[Brad]

You.

[Joe]

You have no choice but to press him on the perimeter even if you can't move. Somebody got to come help some. Somebody got to do something. Hey, Joe, it's All about matchups, right?

[Ocho]

Who's the only weak link?

[Joe]

The only weak link is Rudy.

[Ocho]

The problem you have though, Ocho, Rudy Gobert and Win Binyama, they move totally different. Even though they both seven footers, Wemby moved like a guard or a small forward. Hell, Rudy moved like a five man.

[Shannon]

Yeah, he moved like an old school big.

[Ocho]

Hey, them slow feet don't eat, bro. You know what I mean? Like, for real. So I think that's challenging for Rudy to guard out there on the perimeter like that. Now, inside the paint, he could try to make it difficult.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know, but for the most part, he going to be. He going to be at a mismatch almost every game, man. Especially if we be making shots.

[Brad]

Yeah, I can see. I believe you're right. Because you look at the last series they were in, and when he had to go against the Joker, he. He has a big size, the long arms. He can get up. Joker has slow feet. Joe. Joker's feet are like my feet right now. I'm 70.

[Ocho]

He can't jump over.

[Shannon]

He ain't going no play.

[Brad]

He ain't going by you. So we didn't have to worry about that. But as when you start talking about Wimby, Wimpy's life like the damn Road Runner, you don't know he's looking back. And the worst thing about to me, Joe, is that when I think about Rudy essentially introduced this guy to the NBA.

[Shannon]

Yeah, I don't like that.

[Brad]

I don't like giving the guy my damn secrets. I don't believe in that. Shannon Ocho, when you play against the guy all the time, you like, oh, okay. Well, this is cool. Let's do this, let's do that. Then I meet you in a real game. Nah, man, I need to be able to elbow your ass. I need to do stuff. I need to do something nasty to you. And I've seen both of you guys. Oh, Joe, I've seen you. I've seen you play like that. And I've seen Joe, Joe, even as much as you like Paul Pierce when you're not Paul, but when you got Paul Pierce from that crossover dribble and got him down to his damn knees. That damn that. I said that. Supposed to be your boy, but you went in it. So that's what I look at. He has. He's giving them the. The keys to how to beat him. And that is unfair when you think about guys you have to play against.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

If you look at San Antonio, they're one of the few teams Every guy with the exceptional cornette that plays can attack you.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Every guy up other than cornette that plays can attack you.

[A]

Yes.

[Shannon]

And that's, that's a rarity that everybody that you see out there can put the ball on the floor and get to a rim. You look at champagne, you looked at women. Yama, you look at Fox, Vassell Castle, you look at Harrison Barnes, you look at Kelvin Johnson, you look at Dylan Harper. All of those guys go to sleep if you want to and see what happened.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

And they're looking. Kelton Johnson was looking to get to the rim.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Other guy come in looking to get to the rim. They put a lot of pressure on you. You got to be constantly, you got to be on high alert every.

[Brad]

How did they get beat then the first game? How did San Antonio, how did San Antonio look?

[Shannon]

They shot the ball. They shot the ball.

[Joe]

They shot horrible, terrible.

[Ocho]

Hold on.

[Joe]

Real bad.

[Ocho]

And I don't think they were desperate neither. I don't think they were desperate in game one. They came out just playing, you know, like young dude. They just, oh, we just gonna come out, come out here. And who I thought tonight, you know, they put their stamp.

[E]

We're lost and kickoff's coming up. I don't want to miss the lineup. I'm going to ask that man for directions. Hi there. We're trying to get to the stadium.

[A]

Well, you're going to take a left at the old oak tree at this here road. Nah, I'm just kidding. Let me get my phone out.

[E]

How is there signal out here?

[A]

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[A]

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[Ocho]

on the game, from, from. From the first quarter, meaning playing with aggression, playing like they didn't want to lose. That's how. So for me, the first game, that's how they lost. Whether they took the Timberwolves for granted or not. But when you think about it, Cornette may not go at you, but in 13 minutes, you give me three blocks.

[Shannon]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, he ain't no slouch out there now.

[Shannon]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Ocho]

He, he, hey, he. He's a vital part to what they do too. Because when Wemby goes out and he's in. Yeah, he ain't no damn wimby, but he'll hear. Rim protector.

[Brad]

Yeah, he's the one. Rim protector. And he's a score. He played with the Celtics a couple years ago, and I got a chance to see him, talk to him. That's exactly what. He just wants to play his role. And Shannon, you say that about him. When he came, he was a three point threat, but now he knows his damn jump. He's like, he ain't coming.

[Ocho]

He.

[Brad]

Nope, I ain't shooting. I passed over you hard 3.

[Shannon]

Roll to the basket.

[Brad]

Know your damn roll. So when guys know that. Roles in this league, that to me is so important. When you think about who you are as a player. If you are a scorer, you got

[Shannon]

to be a score.

[Brad]

If you're a defender, you got to defend the basketball. But when you start varying out to do shit that you ain't normally doing, you just out there, you know, damn. They say you probably making pancakes. Next thing I know, you, you damn making hot dogs.

[Shannon]

Brad, you said something very interesting. You say, know your role. Knowing your role is one thing. Accepting your role is something entirely different. Because there are a lot of guys that, you know, all of a sudden we hiring cashiers and tellers. And that guy want to be the CEO. He wanted to be the chief loan officer. Yeah, that ain't what we hired you to do. Yeah, we got people for those roles. We need you to feel so knowing your role.

[Brad]

And let me ask you this. I'm gonna ask Ocho, this Ocho, who is it? Is it more the players that get a guy in this role or is it the coach? Which one would you think?

[Joe]

I say it's more. It's more the players. I mean, it's more the players. The, the player define whatever role they, they, they, they, they can do. You Know, once you, once you show that in practice, you know, then therefore the coach has no, no choice but to put you at said role. Unless the person in front of you is that much better, like that much special. That is different. But you set the role on what you can and can't do. And that all start in practice. But you know, sometimes, hey, hey, excuse me if I'm wrong, but you can come in there thinking, you know, I'm scoring 20, 30 tonight. And you get in practice and you look like dog water. I mean, it is what it is.

[Shannon]

But Brad, you know, the thing is, is that everybody, we've seen guys in practice like, damn. And then he get to the game. I want you to do what you was doing in practice. That's what I need you to do right now.

[Joe]

But they can't.

[Shannon]

You see how you put it on a 1, 2 and you to the basket, yeah, 1, 2, pull up whatever you did in practice, whatever you ate that morning before you came to practice and did that.

[Brad]

But that's why they call some of those guys practice players. You see a guy you play against all the time, Larry Bird, all the guys I knew back then, we'd have someone behind you and this guy scoring like hell and then you look at him going, I know goddamn well you ain't going to shoot it in the game. You, you go pass the damn ball. You ain't even looking. You scared to pee out there. You, you, you know what you got to do. So, So I think that's the difference when you think about players, of who they are and what they do, you know, of knowing roles. I think players sometimes define their roles, their, their fellow players roles better than them, because players, Yo, Joe, you've gone to players before and said, man, you need to, you need to give me, damn 10 rebounds tonight or, you know, you need blocks that box this out right now or something. So I think it runs especially if you have veteran players. And that's why I think, I think Darren Fox is so smart and that's the guy I think to me is the key, because he's a veteran player who is holding the ball and is commanding their attention, right?

[Ocho]

And he don't overexert himself neither. You know what I mean? Meaning, excuse me. He could come out. He was a, he was a. He could come out and probably, you know, go at his man a lot more than what he's doing. But he plays great within that system, keeping everybody involved because what, what. There's one thing that we know, young guys, when they feel Involved and feel a part of it. They play a little extra harder, man, you know what I mean? Now, there will be games and there will be times coming down the stretch where Fox gonna have to come through, especially on the road, because it's been in those situations. And that's why I say he's the second most valuable guy for the spurs if he plays well. Because they gonna need his ass on the road to come through. Late game, watch, it's gonna.

[Brad]

But then, didn't Michael do that, though? Didn't Michael Jordan do that? He made sure that everybody else was involved in the game early so that, you know, later in the game that now I'm not afraid to touch the ball. And that's one of the things I look at different. I didn't see that when Kobe played. Kobe was like, it's about me. You, what you got. Follow me here. Don't be trying to do nothing else. But Michael, Michael.

[Shannon]

But you need veteran players for that. Because if you think, you think about who hit the big shot, Steve Kerr, John Paxton. Now you're asking young players. Joe coming in first, second year in the league, and LeBron passed him the ball, Steph Curry passed him the ball. Or one of these proven veteran players, they're like, no, bro, I thought I was. I thought, I just want to be on the team with you. You supposed to shoot that shot. Don't give me that ball. No, that a

[Ocho]

football.

[Shannon]

More times than not, the quarterback's gonna go to the pool back to you.

[Brad]

You pass it to them. You, they get, they catch it and they throwing it back to you before they go, whoa, wave.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. When they get late game, it'll show. It'll show who wanted it, who don't. Hey, hey, hey. You got guys, they try to get as far as hell as wait from that ball as they can. Yeah, I'm gonna go way over.

[Shannon]

Oh, I've been in the huddle. Hey, you open? No, I ain't open. Go watch the film. He wide ass open, bro. I thought you said it was open. We could have threw you the ball. What you mean you weren't open? Every. Because everybody doesn't. Everybody thinks they want that pressure. They want the pressure if they make the play. But if they don't make the play, that criticism that's going to come from the fans, the criticism of your teammates looking at you sideways, knowing you had an opportunity. Everybody can't handle a drop pass, that change of possession or drop pass, and all of a sudden you don't convert and now all of a sudden you lose the ball game. You don't. Everybody can't handle that. Everybody thinks they can handle it. Oh, man, I've been a big time player all my life. Yeah, but you've made those plays. Now you get on the biggest of stages and you don't make that play. Do you still have the wherewithal? Do you still have the intestinal fortitude to over drop, overcome assignment in the most crucial of situations? Everybody can't handle those situations.

[Brad]

Here's the thing that really happens in a basketball game and a football. In all these games, in a basketball game in particular, if you, if you're a player, you can hide from the ball. If you are offensive player, you can act like this. You can grab the guy and say, I'm. I'm being covered. Some guys do that. I've seen it on the tape. Guy like you done grabbed the other guy, ran behind him so he can't get the ball. So you can be on the floor. Greatness to me is, I saw it with Larry Bird. The greatness that he wanted the ball. Magic wanted the ball. Jordan, them dudes won't run away from the ball. But I've seen a lot of times in games where I've seen great players get in position where that. Man, I don't want that ball.

[Shannon]

Man.

[Brad]

Don't give me the. I know I'm getting paid to get. I don't want that damn ball. Not, not right now.

[Shannon]

But can you be great when greatness is required? Because we've seen guys hit sh. Jo. Oo. We've seen guys. Look at the guys making one hand catches in the first quarter. Like, oh, boy, you catch right there. O good. He doing like this here, taking it off his shoe tops. Now we get in the fourth quarter, we need it. Ball hit him. Damn, bro, you just took one of your shoe tops from 25 yards away, not about 10 yards away. And you, damn, you throw the ball up. Wait, what are you doing? Are you a juggler?

[Brad]

Are you a juggling the damn shirt?

[Shannon]

That's what they be doing. I'm like, bro, hey, hey, Brad, Joe, I used to tell him, you still only get one catch. I don't give a damn how many times you bobbing and catching. That's still one catch. Yeah, so you bobbing it three, four, five times. That ain't five catches, bro. That's one catch.

[Brad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, look at it when you think about it. Hell, them first three damn quarters, it ain't no damn pressure out there at all.

[Shannon]

Exactly.

[Ocho]

Pressure. That pressure coming at four quarter under five minutes, a minute left on the clock. It's a neck and neck game and we need a big play. Big scary. I know exactly what you. Hey, hey, hey.

[Joe]

Uncle Joe and Brett is only a select few that are built mentally for those, for those moments. I mean, every, Every sport, basketball, basketball, baseball, football, it doesn't matter what it is. It's all about moments. And there are select few or certain players that can live with having wins and losses on their shoulders.

[Brad]

Yeah, you know, every name a player, and this is, this is pretty good. I'm a name a player because he's one of my favorite teammates. It was Kevin McHale. Kevin McHale, one of the greatest players ever to play the game. We were watching a tape one time, it was after the game was over and he had missed some free throws. We looked at his damn knees and his knees to buck him. And when he was getting ready to shoot the free throw. What the hell? And you can ask him today, he'll laugh if you ever see him anytime.

[Shannon]

But.

[Brad]

But that day, he didn't want it. He didn't want it. He's one of the greatest players ever to play the game. So I don't care who you are. I always say this pressure bus pipes, buddy. I don't care what you want. You can, you can think that you want it, you can act like you want it, but when the time comes, buddy, as. As Ocho is saying, only a few select players. And women, men, whatever it is, boxers, whatever, want to step up and take that position.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, Brad. Yeah, pressure does bust pipes, but it also make diamonds. You got some cats. You got some cats that'll look that moment right in the eye and be ready for it. Whether we can practice it a thousand damn times on. In the backyard of our house as kids, you know, count it down. 5, 4, 3. Putting yourself, putting yourself under that type of pressure. Yeah, it's different when you got 30, 40, 000 fans screaming. But some guys, man, they're very comfortable in those situations. And you can tell, for instance, when I watch the Pistons play, you go, look at Cade, bro. Hey, hey, when he gets thick, he

[Shannon]

run into the ball.

[Ocho]

Hey, give me the ball. Get your ass out the way. You know what I mean? I. I enjoy watching stuff like that because you see so many guys who are great and they will run from that moment. You know what I mean? So I, I understand what you're saying,

[Shannon]

but you know, sometimes that what look, what we think of diamonds is just broken glass. That's been buried for about 20 years. When you get up and watch and you wash all that dirt off your bread, guys, there ain't nothing but a piece of broken down glass that's been buried for 20, 30 years. That's all it is. So we understand that pressure make diamonds, but sometimes you ain't dug up nothing but a piece of broken glass and you had to see it for your damn self.

[Brad]

There was no one, nothing. But the Pepsi bottle down there was broken. All.

[Shannon]

That's all it was, fellas. That's all it was. And I think the thing is, is that in pro sports, especially like basketball and football, you so wide open, it's there for everybody to see. So if I throw you the ball and you drop it in a crucial situation, who we blaming it on, right? The ball hit you in the hands.

[Brad]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Brad, you got the shot right there and you go into the basket and then you dribble the ball out of bounds. All of us, you do something. You do something crazy with. Everybody don't want to take that shot. They want to take it if it goes in. Yes. They hold it up there.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

But that ball come up short or you air ball it. Now all of a sudden, people looking at you crazy. Now you might shine away.

[Brad]

Yeah, I saw. I saw my man. One of them, a guy I went against and loved him to death. Well, I hate him, actually. James Worthy. James Worthy threw the ball. They were. The Lakers were at two games to one game to nothing. They had the ball, they gave it to James in the back court. And he didn't want to get fouled, so he threw the ball up. Gerald Henderson stole it. James Worthy later on said, hey, I didn't want that ball. I didn't want to get fouled. One of the top players to ever play the game. So, you know, as much as I hate him, but he. I still got to give him his credit. Although he played with the fakers, I still got to give him his credit. As you know, he was. But that particular time, he didn't want that ball. He did not want it. And. And that's the thing about great players. Greatness. Moments will always elevate and you will know who you are as a player.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon]

So what you who you like, Joe, who you like for game three, you like? The Timberwolves going back home to be in their building crowds gonna be crazy. They did what they wanted to do. It had been great to get two games, but you got one. You stole. You snatched home court. Now, can you consolidate It Game three to really put the pressure on this young spurs team.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I like the Timberwolves going back home. Game three, man. You, like I always tell y'. All. And Bridge, you notice in the NBA, bro, it's a fine line between winning and losing, especially in the postseason. One minute you can feel like you got it under control, the next damn minute, you like, damn. It's hard for us to even get a win. We gotta try to find a way to get a win. So I'm not gonna put too much on this win from the Spurs. I just thought they were the more desperate team. But I think it's gonna be some trying times going to Minnesota trying to get a win. It's hard playing in that arena, bro. And if Minnesota can some way somehow miraculously get a little more healthier before game three, because that's the biggest. That's the biggest thing for Minnesota. Ant man ain't healthy here. You can see that. IO tried to get. He gave it a go. But, man, you got to get these guys. They got to get healthy. But I think regardless of that, it's going to be hard for them spurs to win.

[Brad]

I go. I'm going the opposite way. I'm thinking the spurs go in that game, and they. They win that game by 20 in the third game. And the reason I say that is because I just don't believe in Minnesota. I don't think they believe in themselves enough right now. At the end of the day, when you're playing games and that you keep them close, that, to me, is a sign of who you are. But when you let go of the rope and you just happy to get back home. And I think Ant man is one of the greatest players out there. He got a nice, important cast, some of the guys out there, but I just think that Wemby comes in, he's going to shut that arena down, and Especially for that third game. And it's critical that Minnesota gets out early and gets that crowd involved. If they don't get that crowd involved. And we saw that. You saw that when Luca went there and took the heart and soul out of that building that he.

[Ocho]

He just.

[Brad]

I mean, who is that? I think it was Snoop Dogg sitting

[Shannon]

on the front row.

[Brad]

He was. Luca was talking to Snoop, talking to anybody around there, and took the heart. And Minnesota sometimes doesn't fight like that, and. And they're gonna have to do.

[E]

We're lost, and kickoff's coming up. I don't want to miss the lineup. I'm gonna ask that man for Directions Hi there. We're trying to get to the stadium.

[A]

Well, well, you're going to take a left at the old oak tree at this here road. Nah, I'm just kidding. Let me get my phone out.

[E]

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[A]

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Actually, can you pull up the way to a T Mobile store?

[A]

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[Brad]

That this time.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

The Knicks take a two nothing lead over the Boston. Victory. Jalen Brunson was Jalen Brunson when he needed to be. Jaylen Brunson. They had three guys with at least 20 points. OG Ananobi is still playing unbelievable basketball. He had 24 parts. Cat had two with a double, double 20 and 10. Mikhail Bridges had 18, 9 of 13 from the floor. And Jalen Brunson struggled with his shot. But when he needed to be great, when he needed to make shot after shot after shot in the last two minutes, they put the ball in his hand and he delivered.

[Brad]

Ocho.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Hold on. Let's see. Paul George, Andrew Drummond, Kelly Oubre, Tyrese Maxey, Edgecombe. I. I'm listening to somebody.

[Joe]

Who you missing?

[Shannon]

Paul, George, Andrew. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

And B. And B was hurt his knee. Oh, yeah. He wasn't available.

[Brad]

Hey, you go. Hey, you. You.

[Joe]

Hey, listen, I. I know, I know. We talked about that. We talked about that. We know. I understand. I told you how special he was when he did play.

[Shannon]

That.

[Joe]

That was. That. That was my feedback, right?

[Shannon]

Yeah. We played nine games. The 76ers played nine games. He's missed four.

[Brad]

Okay.

[Ocho]

In the postseason.

[Joe]

Let's stay on.

[Ocho]

Hey, hold On.

[Joe]

Let's stay on track and let's focus. Let me get you together. Hey, hey, hey, hey, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Cause you.

[Joe]

You was with UNC 2. Talk about cat couldn't do nothing with goddamn Andre Drummond and goddamn Embiid. So we gave him bead that worked the first game. And then he had Drum in this game. Boy, what Cat look like tonight, Joe?

[Shannon]

He look good.

[Ocho]

Oo, hey, I can't hear you say he look good, brother.

[Joe]

Matter of fact, he didn't live by the three he had.

[Brad]

He hit one of them.

[Joe]

He was one for one from three. But we got his points at Joe in the what?

[Shannon]

In. In shot. Nine free throws.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, how do you get to the free throw line? By doing what?

[Shannon]

He being aggressive.

[Joe]

Thank you.

[Shannon]

Huh?

[Joe]

I told you I talked to Cat before this goddamn series. I told him, you heard what Uncle Joe said. Go ahead and show them, boys you could do it.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Joe]

You hear me? Don't let him make it one dimensional. And he's showing you he could do it. Yeah.

[Brad]

You guys. You guys forgetting something here. Mr. Big had himself that guy. I would hate to buy him a hat, but Brunson, God damn, he coming. He started throwing their head around and hitting you. You know, they always get people for throwing their elbows and stuff that would lean his head into more people than I seen, you know, in a long time. But he gets it done. And I'm just. I'm amazed, you know, you think about trades, how Dallas missed out and they had him and Luca in the back court together and decided to make a decision and let that boy go to New York. And he's exactly what. He has the spirit in him. He. That dude right there's a leader. That. That's the leader. And when he plays that way, everybody else follows suit.

[Shannon]

Man.

[Brad]

We can talk about Cat. Cat can do what it wants to do.

[Shannon]

But I'm.

[Brad]

I was. I really picked Philly. I thought Philly would play much better because I thought Embiid, the way they played against the Celtics and way Paul George got back in that. That machine and went back about 10 years, I thought that the 76 is going to give them a fit and.

[Joe]

Hold on, Brett, don't. Don't feel bad. Cause them two right there, hold on. Right there by your side. They pick Philly too.

[Ocho]

Hey, hold on.

[Joe]

They picked Philly too.

[Ocho]

When you look at it, they are. They are a way different team when they play without Embiid. There's more space, the pace is a lot faster, and they're less predictable. Yes. Maxi Maxi is the head of the snake by him putting pressure on that defense, attacking in the pick and roll. See, when Embiid is there, the lane is always clocked. Cause his big ass ain't really. He ain't leaving the paint unless he's setting the pick and roll. Cause he want the ball every time. Y' all know it.

[Brad]

Yep.

[Joe]

Yes sir.

[Ocho]

I don't know it. So he ain't, he ain't sacrificing just to be on the three to where Max can have these lanes, where Edge could have these lanes. And I also think without him be playing the psyche of the guys, especially Paul George. You know, they know they have to assert themselves a lot earlier in the game. If you see Paul George came out cooking with Grease. He wasn't playing tonight, you know what I mean? Like he was getting right to it. I just think they're less predictable like this. They're a lot faster. And the game seems a lot more fun for those guys without Embiid. Now I'm not saying they better without him be, but I'm just saying games to where they look pretty damn good. Look, I mean hell, they ain't lose by 30. They were winning at the end of the third quarter, fellas, going into the fourth quarter.

[Shannon]

Yeah, they were winning late in the ball game until I thought they started taking some ill advised threes.

[Ocho]

They got time.

[Shannon]

I didn't think, I didn't think those threes that they were taking, Joe. I didn't think they were necessary. I thought they could have got a better shot than what they were getting.

[Brad]

Yeah, because you're right, because the Knicks didn't have any rim protectors. There's no boxing. Nope, nobody was at the rim. So you should have been attacking. If you were, the 76 is attacking the rim. And, and they didn't do it. You played into the hands of what the Knicks are. And now that the Knicks have got you down 20 and they're going to your building, man, it's going to be rough because you're going to have, you're going to have Ocho and everybody else going to be sitting in the damn front row and really yelling, damn Nick fans, boy. I mean, some of the most arrogant asses I've been seeing. They could. They come to your building, man, and they gonna turn your building out. So if you're the 76ers, you better make sure Embiid is there. You get him on the box and let him be and we can talk about it. But when he's dominant, he's the horse in there then everything else. To me, you might not get as many shots, but boy, he was so dominant against the Celtics. I had damn nightmares over there.

[Shannon]

I wanted to come.

[Brad]

I wanted to come off the damn and garden, man. And I ain't playing the damn 30 years. Let me add it.

[Shannon]

Bread. What if you had. What if you only got an opportunity to eat? If Joel Embiid played in an NBA game, people gonna thank you on that zempic. You'll be scared of the move.

[Joe]

Hey, but. But even, even with that, right? Even Joe, if you look at the 76ers today and you look at them offensively and how free flowing. Everybody was free flowing up and down in transition, not having to wait, lane not clogged up. Maxi and PG willing to. Willing to assert themselves whenever they wanted to because they didn't have to facilitate to Embiid. But then look about it when Embiid does play and how we can dominate the game down in the paint. You can pick and choose when you want to go as far as PG and goddamn Maxi goes. But then today, today you got no presence down there. You have no offensive threat in drumming, because that's not what he does.

[Shannon]

I think, I think the thing is though, Ocho, if you look at game one, Joe and I thought they went to be too early too often.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

And it threw everybody off kilter now. Yeah. It would have been great to have him in a situation tonight. So now we don't have to force threes. We got a big guy down on the box. On the box. And now if you have to come help, he can kick and get you a wide open three. I thought they was taking threes with hands in their face.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

I mean, yeah, Paul George had it going. And I think the thing is, what happens is sometimes is that you make a three or you make a couple of threes early. Joe and Brad is that you think the three gonna be that late in the ball game. And so you take some unnecessarily. Yeah, that's. That's the problem. And see, my thing is, and I've never said that Joel Embiid wasn't great, but it's going to be hard to win a championship with him because you don't know how available he's going to be and how often he'll be available because here it is again tonight. You're like, oh, man, we got an opportunity to get this back. Joel Embiid is out with multiple injuries.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon]

OG OG left this game late in the Ball game, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Brett OG Left. He gonna be huge.

[Ocho]

If he can.

[Shannon]

He got. If he can't play. Now, that swings back because he's been unbelievable. He's been their second best player.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey. Hey. And then when you think about it, if.

[Shannon]

If.

[Ocho]

I think if. If Embiid is going to be out, you know, these guys. I'm not sure if he's going to come back for Game 3 or not, but I like drumming. I love boner coming off the bench, fellas. The energy and effort that he plays with.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Ocho]

You know, even if a few times he got beat, he. He had two blocks, he coming from behind, fly swatting that thing. You hear me?

[Shannon]

Yep.

[Ocho]

Starting the fast break. I love the. The high pace that Philly plays with. My only problem is, I think they. They. They got it going so good the first three quarters that when it got late in the stretch, they were tired. Uncle. You know, Uncle Ojo and Bri. I thought they all got a little tired and fatigued, which is why they settled for a lot of them bad shots that ultimately, you know, got them put.

[Brad]

See, that's what Joel and B gives you. The ability that when you need a basket, he can get his big ass on that damn post. And now he draws attention against the Celtics during this series, he played. He. They were going to him. He was making correct reads. He was passing off. Oubrey had dunks. He played like a master in that. And maybe because the Celtics didn't. Weren't competing that way, but I thought. And. And we talk about the. The game. See, if you are a coach and you just beat the Celtics the way you did by Joel Embiid, you ain't changing what you did. You gonna go and see if you can put Embiid on the box and see if he can get going. But we know in the NBA and also football, all these other sports, the series change from game to game because it's all about matchups. And if you don't change your matchups, you. This. I mean, you. If they don't win the third game. Oh, yeah.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Get your damn. Go get.

[Shannon]

Go get your damn broom.

[Brad]

Some play, Ocho. We'll be down there sweeping because that's

[Shannon]

gonna be over quick.

[Ocho]

Hey, think about this, though. When you think about Embiid, can he play the role ant man's playing? Do y' all think he can play that role coming off the bench? Yeah. Come listen. Listen, Ocho, I mean, damn, you already hurt. You know, you. You only gonna give us real limited Minutes. I'm talking about effective minutes. Come out, play limited minutes off the bench. And in the fourth, when we really need you, maybe you got a little something in the tank. It takes a different type of guy, a different type of star bro, to be able to do what ANT man is doing coming off that bench, accepting that role and not overdoing it. That's all.

[Brad]

Yeah, but think about when you get A, Joel and B, when he warms up. You guys know right now, if you warm up with a damn horse, you let him go over there, sit down, he gonna be cold as hell.

[Ocho]

You can't.

[Shannon]

You can't expect him to start going

[Brad]

well in the third and fourth quarter. So when it sound like that warms up, it's like they. They were saying to me, oh, well, do you think that when Jason Tatum comes back, you're gonna bring him off the bench? I said, no, he done warmed up. He warmed up and. And did all these drills and all this stuff. Yeah, you put him in the game and let him play Joel and be the same way. Now what you can do, Joe, I think you start him, and then you start limiting those minutes and you take them down some, and then you have him more fresh for the fourth quarter. I would like to do that, but I don't think he's gonna be able to. To get get started, be cold, and then come off and then get some things going in the fourth quarter. I don't think you can do that.

[Shannon]

Yeah, I mean, you look at Philly, they only played 8 guys. PG play 43 minutes. Ubere 40 minutes, Maxi 47 minutes, Edgem 40 minutes. So I can see Joe at the end of the game, them legs heavy.

[Ocho]

Yeah, the game was.

[Shannon]

Play was. Was up. At first, the game was up and down, and then it kind of slowed down and. But the problem is, if we get emb, y' all know the first four or five touches, y' all know where the ball going. He gonna touch it.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, but.

[Brad]

But you gonna stop him, though. That's the thing. Are you gonna stop him?

[Ocho]

Well, the thing. The thing, Brett, it ain't even about stopping them because it's just gonna kind of. It's gonna clog up the paint or it's gonna have everybody else around them kind of stale. They don't play with that same type of enthusiasm. Hey, hey. When the coach draw the plays up in the hud, the first three, four plays going to MB hey, hey, guys just out there, they ain't even. You know what I mean? It's. It's a big difference, bro. Hey, but look, I like the kid Barlow who came off the bench for Philly, the big guy. I thought he played great. Yeah, and I like Boner. It ain't like they ain't got big. Hell, you got drumming, too. But I just think with Embiid, man, you can't bog him down with 35.

[Brad]

Yeah, that. That's. That's. That's really the key, that you cannot make him play for you. If you can make him play someplace around 25 minutes, 28 minutes, I think that's when you get the maximum from him. Anything over that, I think Joel and B. And because, look, he's been out of basketball. He's been away for long. I'm shocked that he came back and was able to play because I. We've all had. I had a hernia operation. They told me not to laugh, not to move, don't do for too much. And I was like, he had this operation and he's playing the NBA game. I was shocked to see him out there and to be as effective as he was. I was shocked. I was shocked.

[Shannon]

And think about how many minutes he had to play in that Celtics game. They redlined him. He played 40 plus.

[Ocho]

They.

[Shannon]

They didn't have no choice. And then to flip it around and a day later, when you've been out, the amount of time that he's been out and you know his conditioning and see, that's when guys get hurt. When you get fatigued, that's when guys get hurt.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. That's why I say you got to find a way to kind of minimize his menace. Now, his ass ain't going to be happy because y' all know the stars in this league, they don't like sitting down. You know, they. They don't. They don't like when you cut their minutes, especially if they kind of got a little back and forth with somebody on the other team.

[Shannon]

You know what I mean?

[Ocho]

So he ain't gonna be. He ain't gonna be fine with just playing in three, four minute spurs here. He gonna be pissed off. But you gonna need that, bro, to keep him fresh in that fourth quarter versus, you know, bogging him down. And then when you get to the fourth, you wonder why he tired. Why are you walking down the court? I just think without him on the floor, man, the energy and the pace is so much more faster for. For the Sixes. And you can tell the guys really enjoy playing that way. Hell, the game fun. We all touching the ball. Penetrate, kick, pop the ball Popping and hopping around the horn. We all shooting three. Yeah, it's fun like that versus coming down every damn trip, Brad, you know, damn. We just throwing it down at a big fella. Hope he pass it out here to me.

[Brad]

I mean. I mean, I'll ask you guys a question. And Jalen Brown talked about it. He put it on his podcast. He said. He said, joel Embiid is one of the best players in the NBA. But he said, he's a damn flopper. And I was like, yeah, because every time he gets around the hole, I ain't never seen a big guy go down that many times. I ain't never seen him. I mean, a guy who weighed half his weight, he come and bump into Joel and be jolly. Beaches go flying backwards, man. So they. And the NBA already said, hey, we're gonna find you for flopping.

[Shannon]

They ain't planning.

[Ocho]

Oh, wow.

[Brad]

Thank you, Shannon. Thank you. Thank you. So you saying the refereeing changes during

[Joe]

the playoffs?

[Brad]

Yeah, they. They. They let him play. It ain't happening.

[Shannon]

Oh, yeah, but I thought. I thought the Knicks. Look, when OG was great all night. Mikhail Bridges made some big shots, but you know what it is, is Brunson, they gonna put. And I thought. I thought Edgecombe did a great job. He had 26 points, Joe. But he took him 21 shots.

[Brad]

21 shots again, I can live with, Joe.

[Shannon]

I can live with that. I can live. I can live with that, man. Taking 21 shots to get 26 points.

[Brad]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Now you would like to see him. Okay, you will get 26. Let's get to 26 before the last two minutes, because I don't need you to get four, six of those points in the last two minutes of the ball game.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Shannon]

Because that's when. That's when he kills you. You've done a great job on this, man, the entire night.

[Ocho]

I agree.

[Shannon]

When he got to have a basket, when he got to make a play, he gonna draw the contact or get to the line or you gonna put the ball in the hoop. It's really that simple. There. There's a region. Didn't he win the clutch award this year or did Shay won it? But I think he won it last year. I think Shay might have won it.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon]

But that's why he's always in the running for clutch, clutch player. Because the last five minutes of the ball game, when the ball game is close, he go. He find a way to get the ball in the. In the basket.

[Ocho]

He gonna accept that challenge, and he gonna take on that challenge. And for me, man, the Knicks probably, obviously they third most important player or one of the most, is OG Bro.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

OG has been playing out of his damn mind out of it this entire postseason. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. It seemed like every time he shoot that going in, you know what I mean? And he just make winning plays, bro. He makes winning people play hard, as on defense. And offensively, he got enough to where he could get you 25 a night in. In the postseason. 2020 to 25 a night. And he's been doing that on a consistent basis. The way he's been shooting the three pointer, obviously, he was two for seven tonight, but he's been shooting over 50% from three fellas.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Yep.

[Ocho]

Like, the man is playing out of his mind, bro.

[Shannon]

Yeah, I, I. And I thought, I thought, like, when the Sixers had an opportunity to really open it up, he make a three.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he get up, he get go.

[Shannon]

He get go. He go into the basket, and he finishes at the rim. And I was like, well, damn, Philly. I like Philly. Oh, Philly about to go up. They get a basket here, they're gonna go up nine, 10, maybe even 11 points, and all of a sudden, OG come down, he hit a three. All of a sudden, he make an outstanding defensive play, and they could go down and score on the other end, he's been playing winning basketball. That's what they got him for. They got him in New York because they wanted to deal with those twins up in Boston, JT and jb.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

They said we got to have somebody that has the physicality, has the quickness to stay with him and can maybe offset. Now, he ain't gonna outscore. He probably ain't gonna outscore J.T. because we know J.T. can go get 50. We saw him in a game seven go get 51, so we know he can put the ball in the bucket. And now JB has taken even another step, probably, probably gonna be looking to get his own team. Bread.

[Ocho]

He might well come on back. He might well come on home then.

[Shannon]

Hey, Brad, you know how that goes, Brad. You know how that go. You get a little taste of playing. Hey, it's your team. You get as many shots as you want. You get to shoot it whenever you want, man. Hey, I've been the MVP running. They ain't never put me no MVP running. Bread. Hey, they say I want to top. Oh, I won the top ten player. Oh, okay. I like. I like what that sound, Brad. Hold on.

[Joe]

Hey, can you still be that if you lead a team that you own. Now you gotta understand, as great as you are, it's because your supporting cast is there too, that.

[Ocho]

Well, he, he, he, he car.

[Brad]

He carried these guys. He carried them. He carried them. He, he is the MVP Finals already. He was almost. He was the last top seven guys in the NBA this year. In the NBA. I still think the Celtics were. Are going to want to do that. I keep hearing about, well, maybe they make a trade and to get Giannis, you know, send, you know him to Milwaukee and you get Giannis with jt. Jalen Brown is a beast, man. He is, he's a, he's an intellectually smart player. He is probably the best. He, he said, I'm one of the, I'm the best two way player right now in the game. And when he defends like that. This is how bad it was in, in Boston. Boston that was so bad that they had JB Garden embiid on the post. What the hell y' all doing, man? I'll weigh you about, about £75. So you asking a lot of that dude and you wanted him to carry the weight. But I don't know, it's gonna be interesting to see what happens with all these teams right now with all these different players that we talk about. And I mean, even to the point where I think about the Steph Curry, does he finish right now in Golden State? If you go to State, we look at all these great players, he ain't got no chance to win it in Golden State right now.

[Shannon]

No, no, they don't.

[Brad]

Do you. Wait, do you waste these last three years, three, four years by him staying where he's at or do you make a move right now and, and Joe, please don't tell me about them Atlanta Hawks down there after what they.

[Ocho]

Come on.

[Brad]

I never seen, I never seen a first grade team play like that.

[Ocho]

Bread, Bread, Bread. Come on, Brad, you gotta chill. Listen, if you mean to tell me we can go get Jalen Brown and bring him on home. You mean it? I bet you that. I bet that won't happen no more.

[Joe]

He gonna get y' all over there.

[Brad]

How did they get beat by. Damn. 65 points without somebody fighting. I didn't understand that.

[Ocho]

We. Hey, hey, hey. We try to start a fight. You see, we had Big Rob, they tried to start one in the full nelson here.

[Brad]

You can't put nobody in a full nelson. Knock you down by six, 60. You can't. You got. I never seen. I'm looking at the scores going. I saw 50 something to 14. Next thing I know, there was 70 something. And then I looked at the hair, I'm like, they only scored 30. They had 39 points and the Knicks had damn, 96. I was like, are they still playing out there or is it just what the hell happened down there? I got to get on Dominique's ass. When I see him, he's always talking noise to me. Yeah, these Atlanta hoes, man, them damn hoax, man, them all know but some scarecrows at the end of the day.

[Ocho]

Oh, man, come on, come on.

[Brad]

Yo, you saw the game? You saw the game. What am I, am I, am I missing something? Am I telling you something?

[Ocho]

Nah, we. We were bad, Brad. We were bad. We were bad.

[Shannon]

You know when that thing go bad, and sometimes, especially in basketball, when that thing start when that one push and a 10 point lead goes to 25, and the next thing you know, you look up is 45. It's over.

[Brad]

It was that damn 65. You don't go, it'll go from 10 to 65 like that, Shannon,

[Ocho]

20 to

[Brad]

30, but you don't go from damn 10 to 65.

[Shannon]

Bread, the score was 51:19. So what you gonna do about that? You think you coming back on 5119 and scoring 83 to 36 and a

[Ocho]

half,

[Shannon]

man, you might as well get you a hot dog, some popcorn and

[Brad]

just get food and relax.

[Shannon]

You. You might as well just get in the locker room, say, hey man, go

[Ocho]

get me a couple hot dogs, man,

[Brad]

get my, get my bags right now so we can get on up out of here. That was, that, that the most disappointing thing I've seen so far this year. And I thought the Hawks were going to play well against the Knicks, at least push them, but when they lost that game like that, I mean, it was. That was crazy.

[Shannon]

Well, look, I. I didn't think they get beat like that, but if you notice the games that they won, they would nip and took. The games that the Knicks won, they were by 20. You remember when they went back for games, they went back for game five and the Knicks blew them out by 30. Yeah, they come back home and they get beat by 50. But you remember in game one, they got beat bad.

[Brad]

Yeah, I gave you that, Shannon, but I'm still trying to do that damn math that you gave me a minute ago. You down by 10 and then you're down 60. Don't work like that, man.

[Shannon]

But you know what the thing is, Brad, you know, the NBA is about runs. And now with that three point shot, you get down 10, and the next thing you know, you down 19 because they don't hit three threes in a row on you. Now you was down 10. Now you down 19. You. You look it up, and now you turn the ball over because you're trying to do something. And before you know it, that thing, it don't take long. Brad, you remember these games and. And now with the T, the three point shot, Brad, when y' all got a team down 20 points, this team wasn't coming back. You get down 20, 25 points in the first quarter, you next day, you know you tied at the half. These guys shoot that three ball. So well. Now if you shooting the three ball well, but if you're not shooting it well, and you get down by 10, 15, you about to get blown out.

[Joe]

It's gonna be. It's gonna be hell out the building.

[Shannon]

And that's what happened to y'. All. Cuz, y'. All. I don't understand. I'm trying to figure out y' all had a chance to take the lead with a two. Why the hell y' all shoot five straight, six straight threes late in that ball game like that?

[Brad]

Well, I'll answer that, Shannon. Because that's who they are. That's their identity. You don't change. You. It's like if you go to. If you go to the prom, Shannon, and you take this one pretty girl, but you see another girl over there, and you try to go get her ass. And then your girlfriend found out that you.

[Shannon]

You were on her.

[Brad]

Then next thing you know, you going home. You know you on your hand with Mr. Fist. That's where you're going back.

[Shannon]

Because you.

[Brad]

You ain't no more happening. But they were.

[Shannon]

But the girl I brought, she wasn't acting right, though. Bread, what you want me to do?

[Brad]

But they were.

[Shannon]

The three wasn't falling, so you better go take you some tools.

[Brad]

They are a three boy shooting team. The only person that they had that could go to the hoop at that particular time was Jalen Brown. When you didn't have. When you missed Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum was huge because Jason Tatum had enough size to kind of get to the free throw line. That's why he kept taking the threes. And. And I. I was. Look, Peyton, would you live. I think I could live with Peyton Pritchard shooting the three all by himself in the corner.

[Shannon]

And.

[Brad]

And he just missed it. So I. I'm dumbfounded because I still think the Celtics should be playing right now. The Knicks. So I'm really sick about all that.

[Shannon]

This game tonight was unbelievable. It had 25 lead changes, the most in a playoff game in 11 years. He had 14 ties and neither team led by more than seven points tonight. It came down to the end and this is what you want to see. Hopefully we get some games like this tomorrow. Ain't no guarantee, but the Knicks were. And this is what the Knicks does. The Knicks get you in a close ball game and they put the ball in one of the best clutch players that that's in the NBA and he finishes.

[Brad]

Wait a minute. You think that I gotta make sure I get this straight. You think that the Lakers, the fakers gonna get close to OKC tomorrow? Is that what you say?

[Shannon]

Absolutely. I said, oh, you probably not considering Shay. This was the first game that Shay had. He scored under 20 in a year and they still lost by 18. I'm not, I'm not the most confident man.

[Brad]

No,

[Shannon]

I'm not the most confident man.

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