Nightcap Hour 2: 76ers SHOCK the Celtics in Game 7 + Jaylen Brown Says Embiid Gets REWARDED For FLOPPING

Summary

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Nightcap Hour 2: 76ers SHOCK the Celtics in Game 7 + Jaylen Brown Says Embiid Gets REWARDED For FLOPPING

Podcast: Nightcap
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe ("Unc"), Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson ("Ocho"), and co-host
Date: May 4, 2026

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Episode Overview

This energetic episode dives deep into the Philadelphia 76ers’ historic comeback over the Celtics in Game 7, dissecting Joel Embiid’s role, lingering health concerns, and Jaylen Brown’s public criticism of Embiid’s playing style. The hosts also preview the looming 76ers-Knicks series, discuss broader NBA strategies, and riff on the evolution of player availability and “flopping” in today’s game. As always, the sports talk is filled with playful roasting, nostalgia, and honest, unfiltered takes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sixers’ Comeback & Embiid’s Impact (03:37–08:49)

• Game 7 Context: Philadelphia rallies from a 3-1 series deficit, setting up a rematch with the Knicks and prompting Embiid to call for fans not to resell tickets (“Last time we played the Knicks, it felt like Philadelphia was in Madison Square Garden East. We're going to need the support. Don't sell your tickets. This is bigger than you. We need you guys.” – Embiid via Uncle Ocho, 03:37)
• Embiid’s Availability vs. Ability: The crew debates Embiid’s injury history versus his undeniable MVP-caliber play.
  • “Nobody has ever or will ever doubt his ability. We doubt his availability.” (Uncle Ocho, 04:31)
  • “When he's on that court, he's a complete difference-maker, which is why he gets the money he does get, even though most people will say it's not warranted because he's missed so many goddamn games.” (Joe, 05:25)
• Availability Stats:
  • As of March, Embiid: 485 games played, 485 games missed (05:17)
• Embiid’s Athleticism Comparisons:
  • “Only one guy had that kind of athleticism at that size. That’s Shaq. But Shaq couldn't shoot the ball like this kid could.” (Uncle Ocho, 06:25)
• Uncertainty and Anxiety Around Injuries:
  • “Every time he goes down, you hold your breath.” (Uncle Ocho, 06:09)

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2. Teammate Contributions and Series Strategy (07:19–09:34)

• Maxey’s Ascension:
  • “Maxey's been great...he don't defer to no damn body…I’m gonna shoot when I want. I’m gonna be aggressive, I’m gonna attack.” (Co-host, 07:29)
  • “The last three possessions, who had the ball? Maxey... pick and roll... get all the way to the rim and lay it up, three straight possessions.” (Uncle Ocho & Co-host, 08:05–08:16)
• Supporting Cast Importance:
  • Philly’s x-factor is getting productive play from Edgecombe and Paul George alongside Embiid and Maxey.

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3. Looking Ahead—76ers vs. Knicks Matchup & Rivalries (08:49–12:26)

• Knicks Rematch: Memories of the 2024 playoff series, matchup history, and NY fans packing Philly’s arena.
• Cat (Karl-Anthony Towns) vs. Embiid:
  • Renewed hostilities (“It’s been a nasty little rivalry between those two,” Co-host, 09:12), questions if Towns can challenge Embiid.
  • “Philly is going to be a tougher, a way tougher matchup than what my Hogs gave ’em.” (Co-host, 09:36)

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4. The Great "Availability" Debate & Duality of Players (09:55–13:49)

• Injuries, Contracts, and Criticism:
  • Discussion extends to players like Tom Brady and LeBron James; praising greatness doesn’t exclude critiquing poor games.
  • “Two things can be true. Tom Brady can play bad and still been a great player.” (Uncle Ocho, 10:47)
  • “Joel Embiid is a phenomenal talent, but the majority of the time he's unavailable. It's hard to win and build a championship team when your best player is unavailable.” (Uncle Ocho, 11:33)

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5. Embiid’s Physicality and Long-Term Health (18:38–20:23)

• Chronic Injury Woes:
  • “When he is healthy, I don’t even think he's ever been healthy. Just, I'm talking about 100.” (Joe, 19:12)
  • “He came into the league, and then had to have back surgery.” (Uncle Ocho, 19:18)
• Debate over Listed Weight:
  • Playful debate about Embiid being “every bit of 300” vs. official listing at 285 lbs. (“If Joel Embiid is 285, I'm 165.” — Uncle Ocho, 19:30)

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6. Classic Nightcap Banter (20:24–34:34)

• Basketball Trash Talk:
  • The crew playfully debates who’d win a shootout or one-on-one, referencing old high school scoring records and “elite footwork.” (23:27–24:09)
• 90s-2000s Party Nostalgia:
  • Wandering into stories about house parties, prom, church hats, and R&B music (“Music back then had meaning... like when you cook and you use seasoning. Everything they sang about had flavor back then.” — Joe, 33:11)

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7. Jaylen Brown Calls Out Embiid for "Flopping" (42:35–46:52)

• Jaylen Brown’s Frustration:
  • Brown post-Game 7: “He's always flopping around and they rewarded him for that. But that's the league we're in. Flopping has ruined our league... but he flops. He knows it, too.” (Read by Uncle Ocho, 42:35)
  • Brown also called for referee investigations after a tight series.
• Host Reactions:
  • Co-host: “I think he’s still a little pissed off... Do I say he flops a lot? I would say he flails... But this is how the great scorers manipulate the game and get what they want.” (43:16–43:44)
  • “It wasn’t a flopping. It was y’all dumb play, JB. Y’all down one point, and you come down and launch five, six straight threes. So what about that?” (Uncle Ocho, 44:44)
  • Recognition of modern NBA rules benefitting offensive players and increasing scoring (“That's why the scoring is up in the NBA… you can’t hand check… everything is borderline flagrant… The game [is] a lot different.” — Co-host, 45:46)
  • “Nobody gets fined for flopping anymore.” (Co-host, 44:35)

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8. Celtics' Downfall & Philly’s Path Forward (46:54–54:54)

• Celtics' Offensive Failures:
  • “You were 13 of 49. You was 27% from three... Boston lives and dies by the three because who posts up on their team?” (Uncle Ocho, 46:54, 48:13)
• Bench Production Issues:
  • Contrast: Philly’s bench had just 3 points vs. Boston’s 41, but Sixers’ starters more than compensated (47:25).
• Paul George’s Unsung Value
  • “Give Paul George credit too. I think he was pretty consistent throughout this whole series. Did he erupt for 30 or 40 points? Nah, but that ain't what they need right now. They needed him to be consistent and play great defense.” (Co-host, 50:09)
• Knicks-76ers Tactical Preview:
  • “If you double [Embiid], you open up the floodgates for Oubre, Paul George, Edgecombe, Grimes… So I just feel like Philly got what it takes.” (Co-host, 52:11)
  • The Embiid vs. Towns post-matchup is a focal point: “Cat can pull him away from the basket... But if you Philly, you thinking, damn it, can Cat really beat us from the three, though?” (Co-host, 53:12)
  • “Cat is not a post player. That's not what... he would prefer [to do], but he's posting up a guy six-nine. Joel Embiid is 7’2”, 300-plus.” (Uncle Ocho, 57:10)

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9. Old School vs. New School NBA (Throughout)

• Lively rants about the changing style of play, increasing player empowerment, fan behavior, and the enduring importance of “doing the little things right.”
• Reflections on respected big men and the league’s evolution — both praising Embiid’s uniqueness and questioning durability.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Embiid’s Mixed Legacy:
  • “Joel Embiid is a phenomenal talent, but the majority of the time he's unavailable.” – Uncle Ocho (11:33)
• On Flopping and the Modern League:
  • “Flopping has ruined our league. Joel is one of the greatest players that's played basketball, but he flops. He knows it too.” – Jaylen Brown via Uncle Ocho (42:35)
  • “Nobody gets fined for flopping anymore.” – Co-host (44:35)
• On 76ers’ Reliability:
  • “Every time he goes down, you hold your breath.” – Uncle Ocho (06:09)
  • “When he's on that court, he's a complete difference maker.” – Joe (05:25)
• On Maxey’s Takeover:
  • “The last three possessions, who had the ball? Maxey… pick and roll… lay it up, three straight possessions.” – Uncle Ocho (08:05)
• On Boston’s Collapse:
  • “Y’all down one point, and you come down and launch five, six straight threes… what about that?” – Uncle Ocho (44:44)
• Trash Talk & Nostalgia:
  • “I dropped 52 in a game... I got the high school record and the JV record.” – Uncle Ocho (23:27)
  • “[Music back then] had flavor, man… it's like when you cook and you use seasoning.” – Joe (33:11)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Sixers-Shock Celtics & Fan Pleas – 03:37–04:11
• Embiid’s Availability/Athleticism – 04:31–07:19
• Maxey’s Performance – 08:05–08:16
• History & Rivalries (76ers/Knicks, Embiid/Cat) – 08:49–12:26
• Availability, Critique & Player Legacy – 10:16–13:49
• Jaylen Brown's "Flopping" Accusations – 42:35–46:52
• Celtics' Strategic Failures/Boston Three Dependence – 46:54–48:13
• Paul George Praise/Knicks-Sixers Preview – 50:08–54:54

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Conclusion

The hosts deliver unfiltered perspectives on Game 7’s aftermath, holding nothing back on Embiid’s duality as a superstar and health risk, the legitimacy of “flopping” critiques, and the modern NBA’s style versus classic inside play. With lively banter and deep basketball analysis, this episode leaves listeners with real insights and plenty of laughs—plus a full preview of why the Sixers-Knicks matchup could be another postseason classic.

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Transcript

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[Uncle Ocho]

The Sixers rallied from a 31 series deficit to upset the Celtics in the first round of the playoffs, setting up a showdown with the Knicks in a postseason rematch from two years ago in which New York fans flooded the Wells Fargo center after presumably tickets from the Sixers fans and Embiid pleaded with the 76 fans to avoid a repeat of scenario from the 2024 series. I have just one message for our fans. Last time we played the Knicks, it felt like Philadelphia was in Madison Square Garden East. We're going to need the support. Don't sell your tickets. This is bigger than you. We need you guys.

[Joe]

Hey, I talked in Be Right and he told me he want the apologies to be just as loud as the criticism. Yeah, that was the message I was given. I'm not sure who who he was addressing it to. He told me to say make sure the apologies and just as loud as the criticism was.

[Uncle Ocho]

Nobody has ever or will ever doubt his ability. We doubt his availability because the first three games of the series, where was he? Yo Joe. And Joe.

[Joe]

He was hurt. He was hurt.

[Co-host]

That stability is what availability.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, we not doubting. We know. Joel Embiid is what there's never been. There's only been one man his size that athletic that can move, but he couldn't shoot like Joel Embiid in that shack. Yeah, we've never seen a man that big, 300 plus pounds, 7 foot plus tall to move and be able to do what he can do on the court. We just want him to be available. Ocho, he's played. As of March, he played 485 games.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Missed 485 games.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah. We had this conversation though, uncle and Joe.

[Co-host]

Yes.

[Joe]

We. We got on him about him not being available. And we had someone chiming in the chat or whatever it was, and they talked about the money he had gotten and why did they pay him that much. And the only thing, the only thing. Thing I answer I could have for that was is he's not available. He's always hurt. But when he is available, when he's on that court, he's a complete difference maker, which is why he gets the money he does get, even though most people will say it's not warranted because he's missed so many goddamn games. But he showed you in this series alone where they didn't send Boston home because of his presence, even though it slows the game down for everybody else. Look what it does for you.

[Uncle Ocho]

And you just hold your. Every time he goes down, you hold your breath.

[Co-host]

You do, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Anytime somebody banging you.

[Joe]

You know how I knew he was okay?

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[Joe]

You knew how we knew it was good. Remember when that ball was going out of bounds? You see him die for that thing?

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He.

[Uncle Ocho]

He.

[Joe]

Oh, he good. He good.

[Uncle Ocho]

But then what you call him, he picked up a charge and then the guy backed into his knee because that's how he hurt his knee one time before, you know, and he got his knee hyper extended back, and then he started cramping on the sideline. They're trying to stretch him out. He's a phenomenal talent. No, you'll never ever. Because I watched him. Only one guy had that kind of that athleticism at that size. That's Shaq. But Shaq couldn't shoot the ball like this kid could, right?

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

But as far you talking about a guy that's 7 foot 1, 300 plus pounds, do you see how he moves?

[Co-host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

He can shoot the three. He could get a mid range. He can back it down, shoot over either shoulder. And I love. Hey. He was hitting score parts on Jay LeBron, like, calm down, y' all getting all them. I got this.

[Co-host]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, amb. Hey, hey, hey. The games that he has played in this postseason. Uncle Ocho.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, boy.

[Co-host]

Look damn good if you ask me. You know, I. I think the biggest key for Philly is if you can get those guys around him. Obviously, I don't worry About Maxi, I think Maxi's been great. I love his energy and effort, his assertiveness that he. That he comes out with. And he don't defer to no damn body. Yeah. We're gonna give him b. Some touches, but damn it, I'm gonna be at the helm, and I'm gonna shoot when I want. I'm gonna be aggressive, I'm gonna attack. I'm gonna do all that. But if you get Edgecomb and Paul George to be able to play efficiently like they play. Yeah. Off these two dudes, they gonna. They gotta.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, Joe, the last three possessions, who had the ball? Maxi.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

They put him in the pick and roll, and what did he do? Get all the way to the rim

[Co-host]

and lay it up.

[Uncle Ocho]

Three straight possessions.

[Co-host]

Yeah. But you know how. You know why that's possible, though? It's possible because Embiid kind of had it going. And the big is in that between he and that hucklebuck. I call it the hucklebuck, Uncle Ocho, because you like. Damn. Maxi come off this pick and roll. I don't know if he really looking to throw it back to Embiid or get all the way to the basket, but Maxi playing with such thrust down the stretch, bro, it creates so many opportunities, and it makes him that much more dangerous. They are gonna get the Knicks hell. They gonna get a Nick's hell. Because what we lack. Hold on.

[Uncle Ocho]

If they want.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Because what. What the question.

[Uncle Ocho]

What cat are we gonna get?

[Co-host]

Well. Well, I think with the history. You gotta understand the history about Cat and Embiid now.

[Joe]

Hey, you saw. I saw the tweets.

[Co-host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Saw the old tweets, Joe. They're going at it.

[Co-host]

Huh?

[Joe]

You gotta look at the old tweets. Where Embiid tweeted. Goddamn, cat.

[Co-host]

Oh, yeah. It's been. It's been a nasty little rival between those two, and I don't expect for it to be no difference in this postseason.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Yeah. When you look at it, what we lack. What we lack, meaning the Hawks, we didn't have no girth. We couldn't really. It was tough for us to deal with Robinson and Cat. Well, hell, Philly ain't got that problem with mb.

[Uncle Ocho]

They got Drum Dog and they got. Yep.

[Co-host]

Man, what you talking about? They got guys coming off that bench who can. Who can withstand all that. So I. I think Philly is going to be a tougher, a way tougher matchup. Yeah. Than what my Hogs gave him for sure.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, Joe.

[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle Ocho]

We're having this conversation Joe, last week. It was just last week.

[Co-host]

Yeah. About it. Well, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

I said, you said you try. I said, yeah, I would. I said, because I can't trust his availability. I never said he couldn't play because he's an MVP. He's gotten 70 points. I said, but to invest that kind of money Right. In a guy that I'm only getting. I'm not even really getting him 50 of the time.

[Co-host]

See?

[Uncle Ocho]

You see what the, the way people look at it, if you say something negative about a person, anything that he ever he or she has ever done, you trying to discount it. Yeah. That was the issue that me and my co host had with Tom Brady. Tom Brady didn't play well. Are you trying to say he didn't win seven Super Bowls? Are you saying he didn't throw for 80,000 yards? Are you saying he didn't Throw for six? No, that's not what I said. Two things can be true.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Tom Brady can play bad and still been a great player. But you don't. This ain't a lifetime achievement award as long as he's still playing. We have to evaluate him on his game. Yes. LeBron James didn't play well. Oh, so now you saying he ain't score 40 plus thousand points. No, that ain't what I said. I said he didn't play game bad. He played bad this game. When he scored 10 points, Joe. And I came, I said, bro, this was awful. This might have been the worst playoff game I've ever seen him play. If you got to go all the way back to 2011 when he played those games against the mavericks to find LeBron James not playing well in a playoff game. Two things can be true. Joel Embiid is a phenomenal talent, but the majority of the time he's unavailable.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. It's hard to win and build a championship contending team when your best player is unavailable.

[Joe]

That's understandable.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, you understood, Joe. Understood. Exactly. But capping, what did I cap about? Has Joel Embiid missed 485 games as of March? Yes.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Has he played 485 games since March? List the injuries in which he's actually missed games and missed in playoffs.

[Joe]

Right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Or he's been limited in the playoffs. Was that, hold on, was that last year, Joe, where he was dragging that leg and if he had been healthy, they might have won the series?

[Co-host]

Yeah, I think it was.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, he got that big old dun joy on. It's damn near like a cast. He dragging his leg and still giving you 30.

[Co-host]

Yeah. He's dealt with injuries since he came into the league, man. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

And you know what? As a matter of fact.

[Co-host]

Hold on.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, that was 20, 24. Yes. Because my question was, I was like, guys, why is he going to play into the Olympics when he was hurt in the playoffs?

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Why not get healthy?

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Guess what? He limped into the season.

[Co-host]

Yeah. He barely played in, in the Olympics. Hell yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, but I thought, I think they thought that, you know, having to deal with Jokic having to deal with Wimby, having to deal with Gobert. We got ad, but we need another American big. Now, obviously he's, he's Cameroonian, but he's, you know, he has, he's here and so, yeah, he got his papers and everything. So that's what they felt. They had to. Because like you said, only like one or two games. That game against Jokic where they was down big and he hit a couple of big shots, maybe that's all you needed him for.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's all you needed him for.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

But guys, two things can be true. You can say Luca don't play a lick of defense, but is he not one hell of a ball player offensively? So you try to say so. Because Luca doesn't. Is not that good. It's awful on defense. He's a terrible basketball player.

[Joe]

Nah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Two things can be true.

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[Joe]

And I know, I know, I know. Embiid reminded a lot of people. I know he missed a lot of time. A lot of people had a lot of things to say about him because of his absence. Absences due to unfortunate circumstances that he really. That are out of his. Out of his control. Out of control. Now, maybe there's some things he can do personally to. To prevent some of these injuries, but it's. It's been something that. That started. He's hell. When he came in the NBA, he came in hurt, you know, but when he a Joe, when he is healthy, I don't even think he's ever been healthy. Just. I'm talking about.

[Uncle Ocho]

I don't think.

[Joe]

I'm talking about 100.

[Uncle Ocho]

I don't think he won the MVP. I think he played like 68, 70 games.

[Co-host]

He was special there.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, that. That might have been the most games that he played. But you gotta realize, guys, he limped. He came into the league, and then I have to have back surgery.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Big of a man. That is people. They list him at 285. If Joel Embiid is 285, I'm 165.

[Co-host]

You think he every bit of three.

[Joe]

Three and some. July.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm 255. Y' all saw me.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

So y' all think Joyland beat is only 30 pounds heavier than me? I'm six foot two. Joy to be the seven one seven two. And y' all think Joel Embiid is only 30 pounds heavier than Me? They say Lebron James is 260. So you believe that Joyland Beat is only 25 pounds heavier than Lebron Joe?

[Co-host]

Hell no. Damn. Me and Unc weigh the same amount.

[Uncle Ocho]

So you. In other words, so you saying Joel embiid is only 30 pounds heavier than you?

[Co-host]

Nah, nah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay.

[Co-host]

Damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, Joe, I got. We got to get that way down there, Joe. I'm gonna get on down. I'm gonna get down to 245.

[Co-host]

Then you trying to get. See, I, I. The lowest I'm gonna get uncle is about. I played at 240, so I'm. I'm like 2:50. 2:53 right now. Yeah, yeah, I played at 240. I can probably get. I probably need to get back to about 245.

[Joe]

Yeah, you, you know, you might.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, I played at 228. Did you able two ways I can get to 228 again? Yeah, and I don't want either one

[Co-host]

of them cracker age.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe, you might want to get down to about 220, boy.

[Uncle Ocho]

For why, huh?

[Co-host]

For what?

[Joe]

Why you talking about, Joe?

[Co-host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

How the hell you going? How, how you going to stay in front of me at 2230 or any

[Uncle Ocho]

of that, Joseph, that reach?

[Joe]

I, I, ay, I'm talking about hooping. I ain't talking about.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, you hoop. Oh, Joe, you talk about cross you up.

[Joe]

Oh, he too heavy.

[Co-host]

The man can't walk and shoot. Bubble gum, bro. You think I'm. Man, come on. Come on, man.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, Joe. Listen, Joe, all that weight ain't gonna help you, Joe. You're gonna be too slow. I'm telling, I'm telling you. I'm as, as a friend, Ocho, Ocho, as, as a friend, as an elite athlete with the best footwork of all time in any sport, but don't.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yo, you need to get that weight down in your hand when you was doing that, huh? You didn't have the ball in your head when you was running around.

[Joe]

I'm. I'm gonna dribble past that.

[Co-host]

And that's what he came. He think, he thinks he got quick feet. Hit them damn quick feet ain't gonna be worth the damn if he can't dribble the ball and let that ball keep a man. Please, Joe.

[Joe]

You know, Joe, you don't see me dribble, man. I ain't no different than Kyrie. You don't see my toolbox. Don't do that. Don't do that, Joe. Hey, Joe, for real. Hey, Joe, you need to stop disrespecting Me? Boy, I'm telling you, your head gonna look.

[Co-host]

Hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yo, when you finish with him, Ocho, that way I would take him out to the three point line.

[Co-host]

Hey. Wow. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Five of them in a row.

[Co-host]

Hey, once again, once again. I gotta make you guys a believer, but guess what? I don't mind doing it, fellas. I really don't mind it.

[Joe]

I hope. I hope so.

[Co-host]

I really don't mind it.

[Joe]

I. I hope so.

[Uncle Ocho]

That.

[Co-host]

That Louis Vuitton ball, that uncat. Hey, in advance, thank you. Okay, in advance.

[Uncle Ocho]

Thank you.

[Co-host]

Thank you. I'm gonna take that off your hand. You don't know what to do with that. I got you. Don't worry about it. But, hey, hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

I don't put it up. I put it up against Steph, Clay and Dane, but since they didn't take me up on it. You want to take me up on it? Come get it.

[Co-host]

Well, hey, hey, look, I ain't got no problem shooting your eyes out. Oh, yeah? Oh, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Nice little Louis Vuitton ball, too. Hey, hey, hey, you know what a handful of these. I got one.

[Co-host]

Hey, hey. Boy, I knew you. I knew. Oh, Uncle Ocho. Boy, y' all was sweet as cotton candy. I already knew it.

[Joe]

Hey, you think so?

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, so you thought you gonna cut this easy win for you, huh?

[Co-host]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Easy way.

[Uncle Ocho]

But I really.

[Co-host]

I was gonna be cool and act like, you know, we were having it out, you know, it was a big deal. It was.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, hey, Joe, just. I mean, just. Just between you and I. Yeah. You know, I still got the school record. At my high school, I dropped 52 in the game. Did you? Yeah.

[Co-host]

Okay.

[Uncle Ocho]

I averaged 30 my senior year, Joe. I'm just. I'm just throwing that out there. I know that was a long time ago. I got my 40 year coming up in June. 40 years since I left Glenville High. Yeah, but the record was still intact. Yeah, I got the high school record and I got the JV record. I dropped 39 on the JV game.

[Co-host]

Oh, you ain't shot a jumper in over 10, 15 years.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm a little muscle bound right now. But, hey, look, but. But I think for out of five shots,

[Co-host]

you. If you playing me, if we shooting best, you can't miss. That's what I'm trying to tell you. One miss, a caution. That's what I'm trying to tell you, partner.

[Joe]

Man, please.

[Co-host]

One miss, a caution. Man, please what? Man, please what? You want me to jump on your ass too, huh?

[Uncle Ocho]

I can't let Joe, this thing has been in my possession for about. About four, five years, Joe. I can't let it go, Joe. I can't let you.

[Co-host]

The one thing. The one thing you can. You can. You can take witches that you know, then I'm gonna have you. It's gonna be in good hands over here, baby. Like Allstate. I got you. I ain't gonna let nothing happen to it.

[Uncle Ocho]

You hear me? Hey, I can't. I can't. I can't let you with it, Joe. I can't.

[Joe]

The man ain't gonna win nothing. He ain't gonna get past me. You hear me? I'm gonna talk him out again.

[Uncle Ocho]

You ain't gonna want to play me.

[Co-host]

Man 1. I fly from Miami. I'm coming straight to Vegas.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hell you talking about?

[Co-host]

Yeah, look, I come to put down a mean demonstration. I ain't here to play no silly games with y', all, okay, Joe, I

[Joe]

don't even play games, Joe. I don't even play with my kid, Joe. You think I'm gonna play with you?

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay.

[Co-host]

All right.

[Uncle Ocho]

All right.

[Co-host]

Oh, Joe.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe, once I. Hey, Joe, once I sit in that chair, boy, you not going. You're not going nowhere. I'm telling you.

[Uncle Ocho]

Huh? Oh, you will sit in that chair. You sitting that chair on them like Steph on Stephan Castle.

[Joe]

Hey, Like Castle. Hey, matter of fact, I'm gonna be. I'm be. Hey, I'm gonna blow in his ear like Lance Stevenson.

[Co-host]

You see the man knee high to a duck's ass. How he think he gonna disturb anything I'm doing? It's like KD shooting a jump shot and see somebody trying to get. Man, I don't even see you, brother. Joe.

[Joe]

You gonna see me, Joe.

[Co-host]

I don't even see you, Joe.

[Joe]

I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be in your face. I'm gonna be in your vicinity. I'm gonna be talking in your ear. Joe, you gonna be flustered. You ain't never had nobody defend you like this, Joe. I' ma talk you out your game.

[Co-host]

That's not possible, O. Joe. Yeah, I seen it all, man. I'd have seen it all, Joe.

[Joe]

You ain't never played nobody like me, ever.

[Uncle Ocho]

What are you talking about? Oh, God.

[Joe]

Grew up.

[Co-host]

I grew up, man. If I ain't. If I ain't, I did this thing for bread and meat. If I ain't win, I ain't eat.

[Uncle Ocho]

You hear me?

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, speaking of bread, you know what? I'm on your ass. Cause you owe me that 500 so I'm gonna make it worse on you when we play.

[Co-host]

Man, I owe you. I ain't paying you. You can stop even talking about it. It's over with. I told you that's how I'm feeling. Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey. And if you don't like, you got to get it how you live, partner.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe, I'mma get it in blood. I ain't worried about it.

[Uncle Ocho]

Get it. Hey, Joe, people, I mean, I oo think because you been dressing like a 80s 80s group, like you out there, you like you do like you black street or somebody.

[Joe]

Hey, n. He look like men Condition.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You gonna get this work.

[Co-host]

Hey, what you know about Mint Condition, boy?

[Joe]

Oh, hey, my favorite. Hey, my favorite song for Mint Condition. So Fine. Yeah, you know that.

[Co-host]

I gotta catch the melodies, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Joe. So Fine.

[Co-host]

What?

[Uncle Ocho]

Huh?

[Joe]

What you know about that?

[Uncle Ocho]

So fine. Blow your mind.

[Joe]

No, not that one. Not that one. It's called so Fine. Hey, Joe, you ain't got your phone on you? Yeah, man, Joe just. Just hit so fast real quick. Joe. When you hear the beat of all

[Uncle Ocho]

with that stuff without. First of all, when that stuff was out using. Damn middle school.

[Co-host]

Hey, I was listening to it in middle school. I was listening to music in middle school that if my mama knew what I was listening to.

[Joe]

You get in trouble.

[Co-host]

Why they got in trouble?

[Joe]

Hey, hey, you got. Hey, hey, hey. You gotta understand. I was a tender Roni. And in junior high, huh? I had about. I had about three, four girlfriends.

[Uncle Ocho]

But see, back then, it. I mean, the song was central. I mean, everybody knew, but they wouldn't talk about no hoohah.

[Joe]

That was real music.

[Uncle Ocho]

That wasn't none of that in that.

[Joe]

That was real music.

[Co-host]

Hey, hey, that's when. Hey, that's when you used to go to them little house parties or dances and you can grind.

[Uncle Ocho]

Little school dance. Yeah, but you had a chaperone. Cause you know, hey, you know, you could. They would let you get all clear that slow. Because back then. Yeah, they only slow drag. They don't what? Slow dance, slow drag, whatever they want to call it, they only let you down do that no more back in the day.

[Co-host]

Back in the day, boy. Hey, hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

You had.

[Co-host]

Hey, hey. One to two arms go up like this here.

[Uncle Ocho]

Ocho.

[Co-host]

Hey, you know what it is, baby.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. Keep your heart, man. Come on, man. I'm trying to. Gray, keep your arms up here. Hey, Frankenstein. Damn. Get your ass back in the corner, man.

[Co-host]

Hey, you say he trying to touch something. Yeah, I already know. Hey, man, let me tell y' all something. Back in the day, boy, the little house parties that we used to go to, man. Yeah, yeah, they used to have them when y' all was growing up, too. You know, this before you could really go to a club, you know, if you 16.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, for sure.

[Co-host]

18, 19. Oh, boy, we used to go through some mean house parties. I'm talking. It was nothing like that, boy.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, Joe, they talk about, keep. Keep the light, man, how you gonna dance with the light on?

[Joe]

Oh, hey, boy, them some good days, boy. Oh, them some good days, boy.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, they break. Come out to bring out that purple rain.

[Co-host]

You hear me?

[Uncle Ocho]

It's over. It's over then.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, damn.

[Co-host]

Never be the same, bro.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, it'll be like that.

[Co-host]

Hey, think about it.

[Uncle Ocho]

It'll never be like that again.

[Co-host]

No, you used to could go to the club and they'll have a dance floor and you could dance. And hell, it's so many damn sections in the club now that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hell, there ain't nothing for dancing.

[Joe]

Yeah, everybody on their phone, Joe. Everybody.

[Uncle Ocho]

You, everybody in the section. Everybody taking pictures of their bottles. The women up there talking, taking a picture of themselves. You know, they got that, you know, got the duck side and everything. All the clubs ain't no play for dancing.

[Joe]

It ain't.

[Co-host]

No.

[Joe]

It ain't the same.

[Uncle Ocho]

And it used to be. Hey, they played. They, they. They get about an hour, so a fast up tempo.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Then they go hit you by 15 minutes of slow stuff.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Hey, but that's why. That's why when I step out now, I. I go holl at. It may be Brian Michael Cox or Jermaine Dupree. When they doing the R B? The R B Wednesdays or Thursdays. The Jagged Edge twins. Uncle Ocho. Yeah, they got a little something they do out here, but it'd be all R B. Oh, you talking about a vibe.

[Joe]

Hey, when that is.

[Co-host]

Joe, I think the twins do something on the. The Jagged Edge twins. I think it's on a Thursday. I'm gonna have to find out. I hadn't been in a while, Ocho. But when I'm. When I tell you, man. Hey, they had live. They had karaoke in there, and they play the music. But you know, women, they love R B, bro.

[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Co-host]

Hey, look, I don't know about y', all, but I, I, I. I don't want to be around a bunch of hard legs. You hear me?

[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes. Yeah, that's my great. Okay. Yep. Yeah, my grandpa used to call the boy hey, boy, you hanging around with too many hard ankles.

[Joe]

Hey, I gotta come check that out. Joe, you know. You know I'm a sucker for live music.

[Co-host]

Joe, I'mma send you.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know what I'm saying? We at the age now, look, twerking's fine, but I ain't trying to see a whole bunch of it. Not hear me tonight.

[Co-host]

You hear me?

[Joe]

Nah.

[Co-host]

Yeah, if you see some twerking, you want it to be in your bedroom or something, man. I already know.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know. Hey, cuz, I got. My eyes are working what you call slow mo.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

So, you know, they might be doing it fast, but my eyes are focused and it. Slow mo.

[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Co-host]

I like that.

[Joe]

I like that R B. Yeah.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Those were the days. Those were the days. Used to have a party. We have, you know, the eighth grade dance and the homecoming dance and, you know, all that.

[Joe]

Hold on. What about prom? Don't leave prom out.

[Uncle Ocho]

I didn't go to prom. I didn't go to prom. In high school, Joe Ocho and Joe. Because we had a track meet. So coach. Coach Hall. Coach hall would always say, look, guys, okay, this is when the prom is. I can schedule a track meet. I ain't had no girl. I'm running.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm trying to figure out how the prom is gonna get me to college. Ooh, boy, you.

[Joe]

Well, you had your head on your shoulders, boy.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay, hey, now, one second.

[Co-host]

I had.

[Uncle Ocho]

I had a girlfriend out my sophomore year.

[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle Ocho]

I had a girlfriend and I went. But after that, her senior. I didn't go. We had broke, broken up, but I didn't go. I didn't go. And I didn't go to the apartment. High school. I was running track.

[Co-host]

Well, locked in.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, look, coach, I'll say, hey, I'm going to say, look, I can schedule a track meet or y' all go to the prom. And some guys. Some guys that went to the prom, they didn't go. That wasn't me.

[Co-host]

Yeah, right.

[Uncle Ocho]

In the one year it was on, it was the state track meet, was that. And coach all said, I'm going to the state track meet. I said, well, I'll be there with you. That's what I love track about track so much. Cause sometimes guys want to bull jive and, you know, didn't want to take it serious and work hard and train hard. Let me get my individual events. So if we don't go as a team, as a relay team.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm going in three events.

[Co-host]

You're going to cut up.

[Uncle Ocho]

I sure lamb so that was my. That was my thought process. So I didn't go to the problem. But them dance, them homecoming dances, or somebody would have a. Yeah. Oh, yeah, man.

[Joe]

Hey, good days.

[Co-host]

The music back. The music back then, boy, it was different, Joe.

[Joe]

It was different. The music back then had meaning, Joe, man. Yeah, it had. Men. It's like. It's like when you cook and you use seasoning. Everything they sang about had flavor back then, man. There was a message to everything that was saying. They used to beg back then.

[Uncle Ocho]

Un.

[Co-host]

You hear me?

[Joe]

Yeah, they used to beg. We don't beg no more.

[Uncle Ocho]

Nah, they can't beg no more, Ocho. It's a different time now.

[Co-host]

Hey, hey. They can say what they want to, but, boy, when they put their kills on that. That slow dance. Hey, hey, mister.

[Joe]

Hey, why don't.

[Co-host]

Hey, boy.

[Joe]

Man, listen.

[Uncle Ocho]

But, Joe. Ocho, y' all can't have it slow the whole night. Sometimes we gotta put that parliament on that flashlight. Now I lay me down. Hey, flashlight. Yeah, yeah, but it was the day. Hey, there was the days, man. There was a day we. Hey, we didn't have, what you call them, old school. We have an old school jail.

[Co-host]

That's what I'm saying, man. Y' all playing, bro? I'm ready. What we doing? We doing karaoke. We just vibing.

[Uncle Ocho]

What we doing?

[Joe]

I'm ready. Karaoke, Joe. That's up my alley, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, before we go any further. Hey, next year, go ahead and put it. We're going to the Kentucky Derby.

[Co-host]

We're going to Kentucky Derby.

[Uncle Ocho]

We're going to Kentucky Derby next year, go ahead and put it in. Go and put on the calendar. I know you ain't never been. Oh, Joe, I don't think you've ever been. I've been once.

[Joe]

I ain't never been crazy. Cincinnati, right there.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes, we flew. I flew into Cincinnati.

[Joe]

Yeah. Louisville right down. Yep, I'm in Cincinnati 11, 12 years, Joe. I ain't go to Kentucky Derby. Not one year.

[Co-host]

Damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

You gotta go. It's all about. It's all about the women in their hat and the guy you gotta have. You gotta get your brim, though, JoJo. You gotta get your.

[Co-host]

You got to put it on.

[Uncle Ocho]

Gotta put it on the rim.

[Co-host]

Say less.

[Uncle Ocho]

Say less. Women might not even have on those shoes, but they gonna have a nice ass hat on.

[Co-host]

Hey, hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

You ain't seen that many hats since you went to fourth Sunday to church. You hear me? Everybody had a hat on.

[Co-host]

Well, what. My grandma, she had a closet full of hats.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. My grand. My grandma.

[Joe]

For church. You talking about for church?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

Yeah, boy.

[Uncle Ocho]

My grandma got buried in one of hers. She told. He already done told my sister what the outfit. She wanted everything on. She want her glasses, she want a teeth. You want a hat on.

[Joe]

Yeah, everything.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes, yes, yes, sir.

[Co-host]

Oh, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

And my sister still got all the other hats, but it's just like. I ain't get them away. Hey, what.

[Co-host]

What. What. What was that about, though? Cause I'm talking about, man, my grandma got it. I'm talking about. She probably got over 100 something hats, bro.

[Joe]

Oh, easy. My grandma too. She. My grandma was the eastern star, Joe. She sang in the choir. She was. She was a. She was a deaconess.

[Uncle Ocho]

Deaconess. Yeah, that was my grandmother.

[Joe]

She had a hat for every dress.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Y.

[Joe]

Have a hat and a purse to match.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Y.

[Joe]

What are we.

[Uncle Ocho]

What are we doing? I ain't never seen my grand. I've never seen my grandmother go to church. And I went to church with my grandmother from the time I can remember until I left in 1986. And occasionally I would come home and go with her on.

[Orderly Meds Advertiser]

On.

[Uncle Ocho]

On a fourth Sunday.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

But say, from I can remember. 74.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

To 8, I never seen my grandmother in church without a hat.

[Co-host]

Me neither, bro.

[Uncle Ocho]

Never.

[Co-host]

Is it any significance behind that? I never asked her why she wore it. Or they just like the style, like that. They were styled.

[Uncle Ocho]

I think your style. I just think they. Grandma. But grandma. I think I might have saw Grandma Lou, which was my great. With my great grandma. Grandma Lou, occasionally. She didn't always wear a hat, but those women. Those women had. Them had some. If you. All the deacon. All the deacon. All the deacon wives had a hat on.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

And the mother of the church had a hat on. So I. I don't know what's the significance of it, of why. You know them old man. The man wore brims.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

My grandfather all the time. He one of those guys. He was. I fedora. He always had a hat to church. Unless he was. I think he might. He think he might have worked hats in the field when he was working in the fields.

[Joe]

And. And you know what's funny too? And Joe.

[Co-host]

What's that?

[Joe]

You know who had the. The best hat collection? It wasn't my grandma. It wasn't. It was. It was. It wasn't anybody else, but it was the pastor's wife. Yeah, the pastor's wife. I never forget Mount Olivet Baptist Church, Reverend Clark, his wife. I mean, I'm not sure if they still alive after all this time, Joe. Man, she was head to toe every Sunday. Yeah, had Mercedes, had master purse, purse, master heels and everything just floated. I'm talking about so clean. Yeah, yeah, so clean.

[Uncle Ocho]

But that's what the derby. Hey, like I said, I went, I went in. Actually I was, I talked to Thurman, he and his wife because that's who was there. That's who I hung out with. Thurman Thomas and his wife Patty. I think Warren, Warren Moon was there. There are a lot, there are a lot of, you know, there are a lot of celebs that come. But I've said the look the little group that I was with. So hey, we go get our own little group. We go get this thing up. So go ahead and pistol in first week in the first Saturday of May. Yeah, we going to the derby next year.

[Joe]

We out. We out.

[Podcast Host]

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[Uncle Ocho]

Jalen Brown believes Joel Embiid was rewarded for flopping in Game 7. We didn't really have an answer for him. He's always flopping around and they rewarded him for that. But that's the league we're in. Flopping has ruined our league. Joel is one of the greatest players that's played basketball, but he flops. He knows it too. In addition to being frustrated with a bead with Embiid Brown says he felt targeted by the official. If I had to say, there are some referees that need to be investigated. We had three of them in the last three games. Joe, does JB have a point calling out Embiid? Say he flops a lot or he's making excuses for why, how his team blew a 31 lead.

[Co-host]

I think he's still a little pissed off, Uncle Ocho, about the loss.

[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Co-host]

And it's still early, so it still lingers. But do I say he flops a lot? I would say he flails. Meaning, you know, a guy his size, you don't expect for him every time he gets touched or when he get touched, going through the lane for him to flail and be looking for a foul. You expect for those guys to play through the contact. But this is how the great scorers in our league today are able to manipulate the game and get what they want. You know what I mean? Like, Joel knows he has to put his stamp on the game, and by that, if it's getting guys in foul trouble to where he can go to the free throw line, get a couple easy ones, things of that sort. So if you're not playing great offensively, you have to find ways to still be effective. And I think Joel has done a great job. He's done a great job in that series, bro. You know, JB got to give him credit. And it's always, you know, you always feel like they're against you when they, you know, they continue to call fouls. I think JB had a game, especially the last two games, the way he was kind of in foul trouble. So I can kind of understand where he's coming from. But, man, it's a part of the game now, bro. You. You can't take it out. You know, they used. They. They would used to talk about, oh, we gonna find you for flopping this hell when last time y' all heard somebody getting fine.

[Uncle Ocho]

Nobody.

[Co-host]

Yeah, there's a lot of flailing and flopping going on in the league, bro. You can't distinguish what's, what's, what's authentic and what's not.

[Joe]

Right?

[Uncle Ocho]

Exactly. Here's the problem that I got. It wasn't a flopping. It was y' all dumb play, jb. Y' all down one point, and you come down and launch five, six straight threes. So what about that? I'm just trying to figure out, Joe, you're down 1. You're not down 11, you're down 1. You don't want to run not one play. You shoot a three, you get the rebound. You jack up another three, you get the rebound, you shoot another three, I'm like, well, are you serious? And I get it. A lot of people look at Jordan B. To say, bro, you decided Shaq. Shaq ain't never flopped. When they foul Shaq, you know they fouled, but they had to, oh, he gonna dunk your ass in the basket. So you really, really had the file shack. Yeah, but in today's game, that's not. They reward flopping, and they do. And, and, and guys have found ways. They've got really, really creative at fooling the officials. I mean, sometimes you swing by the guy's face and he'll fall. Oh, Lord.

[Co-host]

Hey, and look, this is why the scoring is up in the NBA. Because back in the 80s and 90s and 70s, Uncle Ocho, you can hand check, you could do all that. That wasn't no foul. Nowadays you can't hand check guy coming through the lane, you chug him, that's a foul. You know, everything is borderline flagrant. You can review everything. Well, damn. You know, the game, that's a lot different.

[Uncle Ocho]

A prime example. Jayla Suggs twist his own damn ankle at the half court, at the Heaven at halftime. And they reviewed it. They made it seem like K. Cunningham did something. He tripped his own damn self.

[Co-host]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Uncle Ocho]

Tony Brothers had to go look at the. Look at the monitor. There was no file. Hell, I could have told you that. But guess what? He twisted on damn ankle.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

K. They touch him and then he land down there and the fish is like, well, damn. Ain't no possible way he would be faking. Woody, let's go take a look at it. Come to find out he tripped his own damn self.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

So I think I understand. I look you up, three one. You just know you got this thing in the bag. It's over. It's over. But the thing. But what helped y' all get those leads again? You were 13 to 49. You was 27% from the three. When they start getting to the high teens, the low 20s, they're unbeatable because they take so many threes.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Now you only. You only plus six points from the three point line. You're not gonna beat that team.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Because you really don't have an answer for Joel Embiid. And then you let Maxi get going. You let Edgecombe get going. Paul George only shot 10 shots, but he made five of them. They didn't get anything from the bench. They only got three points from the bench. Well, the Celtics got 30, 41. They got 41 from their bench. But think about it. Luke Garza, zero points. Ron Harper Jr. Zero points. Shearman, zero points. So you got three starters, they gave you nothing.

[Joe]

So you, you think JB had a good game, right?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, he did.

[Joe]

JB had a good game. He had 33. You think if Jason Tatum played it might have been different?

[Uncle Ocho]

Maybe. Yeah, maybe.

[Co-host]

I think it would have been different. Hell, he wouldn't have had no donut.

[Uncle Ocho]

Exactly.

[Co-host]

You know what I'm saying?

[Uncle Ocho]

He did something.

[Co-host]

I think, I think the biggest thing for Philly is that they got, they got a post player in be. See, Boston don't have it. That's why they shoot so many damn threes. They live and die by the three because who posts up on their team? Jb.

[Uncle Ocho]

Jb.

[Co-host]

Yeah, but they don't really, they don't really post up a lot, but they will. You know what I mean? But MB is in the post every play. You feel me?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

He may take a three, he may take a mid range, but for the most part we know we can dump it down to him and he probably gonna get us a foul or, or some buckets.

[Joe]

A bucket, one or the other.

[Uncle Ocho]

It ain't many a wide open look, cuz you better come double him.

[Co-host]

So it ain't many teams that have bigs that's left in the NBA that can really do a little bit of both. Meaning score inside out. Embiid is probably one of the most unique ones. I know the Knicks have some okc, the spurs, hell, even I like Minnesota with Drew Randall.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, but Joe, why, why you trade for Vucevich if you're not gonna, if you're not gonna play it right? He's a guy that can pull Joel Embiid from the basket. He's a guy that can rebound, he can pass the basketball. Why, why not play Vucevich if you traded for him and you gave up a guy that was pretty good off the bench and the guy you got

[Co-host]

from Portland, Wow, Anthony Simons, I think. You know what? I don't know. I wonder if Vusovich was too much of a liability defensively, you know, considering the fact that he'd be guarding Embiid and that pick and roll, him having to guard Maxi or get back to mb. Because defensively, hell, he ain't gonna give you none defensively. You just gotta hope he makes shots offensively. Speaking of usable. So I, I, I, I don't know. I don't know what Boston was Doing and you know that part. But give Philly credit, bro. I want to give Paul George credit too. I think he was pretty consistent throughout this whole series.

[Uncle Ocho]

I agree.

[Co-host]

Did he erupt for 30 or 40 points? Nah, but that ain't what they need right now. Nope, they didn't need that for him. They needed him to be consistent and play great defense. I think a lot of what he done did not show up in the stat sheet. I thought he played great defense on Tatum and Brown.

[Uncle Ocho]

I did too. And maybe, you know, the thing is that Paul George is gonna have to be able to defend because, you know, look, Ubere, I thought, you know, they put Ubere on Brown, they try Paul George, they can throw a lot of different looks at him.

[Co-host]

Inch edge.

[Uncle Ocho]

And so now Brunson, you probably edge can probably gonna start out on Brunson.

[Co-host]

You think so? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

The question is they're probably going to start Mikhail Bridges or OG on Maxi. Maxi, you can't put Brunson on him.

[Co-host]

I think they start Bridges on Max and OG gonna have to deal with Paul George. Yeah, I don't. I think if you Philly, though, I don't think the Knicks really, really scare you. Kind of like how Boston because of Tatum and Brown, that's so prolific as far as scoring. Yeah, we know OG can score. He didn't have big in the series against the Hawks. Bridges can, you know, give or take. But I don't think this should be too, too tough of a series for Philly, fellas. If y' all really want. You know, I think Philly got some guys who they can throw at at Boston.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Co-host]

And I mean got some guys that can throw at the Knicks and give them hell, man. They got. They got some guys coming up that bench who can go to.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, you so you.

[Joe]

Damn, you done. Damn, Joe, you didn't gave the goddamn series to Philly, huh?

[Co-host]

I just. I'm leaning a little bit towards Philly.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Co-host]

I know people gonna say, damn, they the Knicks beat his hog. So he ain't. No. I just what I seen from Philly, obviously Maxi. And if MB can continue to play like this. Meaning we ain't got no back to backs, Uncle Ocho.

[Uncle Ocho]

No.

[Joe]

Right.

[Co-host]

You know, you're gonna have at least a day or two in between. So I think that should keep MB Pretty healthy. And I just think the Knicks gonna have. They gonna have a problem trying to stop him. Cause what do you do? Do you double him or do you play him one on one and let him get his points? If you double him. You open up the floodgates for Oubre. Paul George, Edgecombe Grimes coming off the bench. Ed was coming off the bench. They got guys who can. Who can shoot that ball and who can score. So I just feel. I feel like Philly got. They got what it takes.

[Uncle Ocho]

And you remember last time he was beat up, he said he's probably 30, 40. He had that big old knee brace on.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Now, he's much. He's much. He's more healthy.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Than he was the last time they played. They got their hands full. Yeah, they're gonna have their hands full now, but it's gonna be a good. It's gonna be a great. I think it's gonna be a really good series. I think it's gonna be a good series. Cat's gonna have to break. Gonna have to play some of his best ball. But Cat can pull him away from the basketball.

[Co-host]

Yeah, he can pull him away from the basket. But if you. Philly, you thinking, damn it. Can Cat really beat us from the three, though? I mean, he had to go 6 for 10 from three to really beat us.

[Uncle Ocho]

He's capable of doing it, too.

[Co-host]

Yeah, well, he gonna have to show us. He gonna have to show us now.

[Joe]

But he gotta keep.

[Co-host]

Huh?

[Joe]

No, he got. He gotta stay down there in that. In that goddamn.

[Uncle Ocho]

They can't bang with Embiid.

[Co-host]

No, sir.

[Uncle Ocho]

That ain't no matchup. You want posted up, Embiid?

[Co-host]

No, sir. You want to keep Embiid away from that basketball.

[Joe]

Now. Now, you take now. You take now. You make him one dimensional. He makes himself one dimensional. Let's say he can't. Let's say maybe he can't because Embiid is much bigger. Go down there and they could proof, prove, prove and prove him wrong.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, you ain't got. No, no, no, no, no, no, no,

[Co-host]

no, no, no, no.

[Uncle Ocho]

This is not the time to. This ain't the chance. This ain't the time to be proving nothing.

[Podcast Host]

Don't joke.

[Co-host]

He.

[Joe]

Cat made his presence in the last series. He made his present felt down in the box. Not by the goddamn arc.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's a con. Woo. That's not Joel Embiid. And then you got another big body when he. Joel Embiid, goes to the benches. Drum Dog, he. He ain't got no bricks in his back pocket.

[Co-host]

Hey, they got. Hey, they. They match up well from. Because, look, if you got Mitchell Robinson playing against Drummond, that's a hell of a matchup, Uncle Ocho. Yeah. Cat against MB Gonna be a hell of A matchup. Considering the history that they have, it's been a little chippy when they play against each other. I think if Cat. Yeah, if Cat making that jump shot, it's gonna be a long series. But I. I can't see him being consistent to where he going. 5 for 8, 6 for 10 from 3, because that's what he gonna need.

[Uncle Ocho]

But here's the thing. Matt Brunson gotta guard somebody. You put him on. Paul George. Paul George, get your ass down in the post.

[Co-host]

Yep.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oubre, you got a decided advantage.

[Co-host]

That's who he gonna go that he gonna guard Uber. He ain't guarding Maxi.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay, well, hey. Well, hey, Uber, I'm need you to. Hey, Uber could get some easy buckets down there.

[Co-host]

Well, he got Uber gotta stay busy, Uncle Ocho, meaning he can't be a standstill target just waiting for the ball to come to him. He got no cutting back, though. Send back kicks. You gotta do the little small minute things to be. To be effective in this series for Ubere. Yes, he can catch and shoot the three. I think he gonna do that well. But at the same time, he can't let Brunson just rest. So, you know, you gotta keep his ass second guessing, bro. Be in the pick and roll, be the screener. You know how you seek out. Okay, boom. Brunson, guard. Uber come. Uber, you come set this pick. You know, I think that's typically. I think it's gonna be Philly's approach, and Max is always going to be looking to probably get that mismatch. Get Brunson on him.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

I don't like. I don't like. I don't like what I'm hearing from y', all, man.

[Co-host]

What you don't like, I don't like.

[Joe]

I don't like what I'm hearing from y'.

[Uncle Ocho]

All.

[Co-host]

What you want to bet game one? You want to bet on game one?

[Joe]

Hey, not Joe. Joe, you ain't pay me from. You ain't pay me from the Hawk series, Joe. So we gonna leave it alone. I don't like the fact that we ain't giving the goddamn Knicks credit after they was. After what you did to the host. I don't like the fact that we're not giving. Let me finish. Let me finish. I don't like the fact that we're not giving goddamn Carl Anthony Towns, you know, any credit just because he getting ready to face goddamn Joel and B and goddamn Drummond saying, oh, he can't go down in the block and he can't post up because they that much bigger. I don't like that we ain't giving them boys no credit. I don't like the fact that you basically telling me goddamn cat can't handle goddamn game unless he shoot the MIDI or the goddamn three all series long.

[Uncle Ocho]

What's his advantage? So when you go, can't allow them

[Joe]

to dictate and make you one dimensional because we feel he can't do it. He don't have no choice but to do it.

[Uncle Ocho]

He don't have no.

[Joe]

I'm just saying, first of all, cat

[Uncle Ocho]

is not a post player. That's not what he can post. But he would prefer.

[Joe]

What did he show us he could do in the last series? But he's posted up 7 foot tall.

[Uncle Ocho]

He's posting up a guy.

[Co-host]

Six, nine.

[Uncle Ocho]

Joel Embiid is 7 2, 300 plus. Okay. Oh, okay.

[Co-host]

Nah, we ain't going.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay. Get out. Get off me.

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