Nightcap Hour 2: Chiefs EXPLORING Russel Wilson to HOLD DOWN Fort + Troy Aikman WEIGHS in on INJURY PROBLEMS + Eagles PAUSING TRADE for AJ Brown

Summary

Nightcap Hour 2: Chiefs EXPLORING Russell Wilson, Troy Aikman WEIGHS in on INJURIES, Eagles PAUSING AJ Brown Trade

Date: March 16, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson
Podcast: Nightcap (iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media)

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of Nightcap features hosts Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson alongside their recurring guest, Joe, as they dive into the latest in sports headlines. The hour covers March Madness NCAA men's and women’s brackets, deep NFL free agency speculation (especially around the Chiefs and Russell Wilson), the ongoing debate about football injuries and training (with insights from Troy Aikman), and the developing AJ Brown trade saga. True to “Nightcap” form, the episode blends expert analysis, insider banter, and vintage locker-room storytelling.

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Key Discussion Points

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1. March Madness Bracket Breakdown

Timestamps: 03:37 – 23:38

• The trio reveals and debates their 2026 NCAA men’s and women’s March Madness brackets.
• Each shares not just picks but the logic, hopes, and inevitable self-deprecating digs about their basketball acumen.

Men’s Bracket Highlights:

• Chad’s Picks: Edges toward upsets and values his bracket’s unpredictability (06:41, 11:16).
  • “I like my bracket. I like the upsets.” – Chad (12:21)
• Ocho’s Picks: Advocates for the strength and history of programs, especially sentimental ties to Arkansas (the Razorbacks) (14:17).
  • Reminisces about 90s Razorbacks culture: “The whole school shut down. Every class got the game on.” – Ocho (14:53)
• Joe’s Picks: Defensive about his two-hour research marathon and claims inside knowledge people sleep on.
  • “It took me three hours to make my bracket, man.” – Joe (12:38)
  • “It never happens the way you think it’s gonna go.” – Joe (07:57)

Notable Banter:

• Chad jokes some brackets get shredded by Saturday, needling about mascot-based picks.
• Ocho claims: “I’m killing y’all in the chat, too. They rolling with your boy.” (12:01)
• All three rib each other about bracket skill, upsets, and the futility of logic in the tournament.

Women’s Bracket Discussion:

• Analysis of top teams, particularly UConn and South Carolina.
• Disagreement about major upsets, notably Ocho picking TCU over South Carolina, with Chad playfully dismissing the pick: “Put it in the trash right now.” (17:21)
• Multiple nods to UConn’s historical dominance and stars:
  • “They’re going to have a top-three player in all of women’s college basketball. A lot of times, they got the best player.” – Chad (22:47)

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2. Chiefs Exploring Russell Wilson – Free Agency Rumors

Timestamps: 29:01 – 38:59

• Context: Patrick Mahomes is rehabbing from a serious injury, prompting talk about the Chiefs’ veteran QB options. Russell Wilson, recently released, remains unsigned.
• Hosts’ Takes:
  • Joe: “If he’s not ready to come back before the season starts, to me, [Wilson’s] veteran presence, his veteran leadership... it would be dope there.” (29:24)
  • Ocho: “I think he could definitely use some of those weapons… great QB to have until Mahomes can get back healthy. But coming off ACL, it ain’t just no easy injury.” (30:06)
  • Chad: Adds nuance, noting Mahomes’ injury is more than an ACL: “He tore something… multiple ligaments.” (30:45)
  • Emphasizes nine-month minimum rehab timetable; warns not to expect “Adrian Peterson healing.”

Chiefs’ Offseason Roster Moves:

• Key losses at cornerback, safety, and backup defensive line discussed (32:10).
• Talk of bringing back Legerious Sneed for defensive stability (33:04).
• Philosophical detour on free agents’ performance drop-off after leaving system coaches (Belichick, Spagnuolo), linking to why some players excel only under certain schemes.

Memorable Quote:

• “You fell in love with him because he could drive a forklift. Now you got him being a cashier...” – Chad, on misusing free-agent signings (37:09)

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3. Troy Aikman on NFL Injuries and Training Camp Philosophy

Timestamps: 43:35 – 49:06

• Troy Aikman Perspective: Aikman suggests that attempts to reduce player wear via practice rules may increase soft tissue injuries, since players aren’t as “calloused.”
  • “The players are just not able to train the way they once did... not able to callous their bodies as easily.” – (43:35)
• Hosts Reflect:
  • All reminisce about “old-school” training camps—multiple, brutal daily sessions, relentless real contact, physical heat conditioning—which they say “calloused” bodies and reduced game-day injuries.
  • Ocho: “We’d put you on the ground, but then you… still thudded up…. Your bodies got used to that.”
  • Chad: “You asked these guys to go 50 miles an hour all week long, and then come Sunday, go 100. That’s hard.” (45:57)
  • Joe: “It is what it is. I don’t think they practice the same way we used to.” (44:50)

Memorable Moments:

• The trio laughs about real-life, harsh football environments—guys collapsing from heat, “move the pile, tend to him later,” and “bull in the ring” training stories.
• Chad: “We have guys having seizures… he gonna be okay. Are you gonna be okay, dude? …We ain’t stopping no practice.” (49:06)
• The consensus: modern coddling results in more injuries due to lack of physical “callousing.”

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4. Eagles Pause on AJ Brown Trade — Ramifications and Speculation

Timestamps: 63:34 – 68:26

• News: Eagles are entertained, but holding off, on a potential AJ Brown trade with the Rams and Patriots. The Rams’ acquisition would pair Brown with Puka Nacua and potentially with Devante Adams.
  • “Where they getting all this damn money from?” – Chad (64:02)
  • Ocho/Chad: Wonder about the actual logistics and cap: “Somebody had to take a cut, wouldn’t they, Ocho?” (64:10)
  • Trade Sticking Point: Eagles want a (high) first-rounder; the Rams’ pick is later, Falcons’ pick is 13.
    • “They probably want Atlanta’s first and not the Rams’ first, because the Rams’ first is a little further down.” – Chad (65:08)
  • Joe: Discusses scenario where if AJ Brown leaves for the Rams, Devante Adams likely goes to the Eagles.
  • “Any time there’s smoke, there’s fire for sure.” – Joe (66:59)

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5. Vintage Locker Room & Training Camp Stories

Timestamps: Main: 49:06 – 62:15 (sprinkled before/after)

• Shannon, Ocho, and Joe exchange “back in my day” tales that illustrate the toughness, callous-building, and even violence of old-school football practices.
  • “Bull in the ring” stories—Shannon boasts nobody ever “beat me” (53:40–55:41)
  • Tales of rigorous two-a-day practices, savage conditioning, working practice around youth jobs, and “trimming the fat” in early-90s college ball.
  • Chad: “Hey, you get dehydrated, you get woozy? Oh, hey, Bill said, go sit up under the tree… you better sit your [butt] off 5, 10 minutes and get back in there.” (52:03)
  • Laughter at teammates faking injury, survival tactics, and how these “made men” for NFL rigors.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Moment | |-------------|---------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 06:41 | Chad | “I like my bracket. I like the upsets.” | | 14:53 | Ocho | “[Razorbacks] The whole school shut down. Every class got the game on.” | | 22:47 | Chad | “They’re going to have a top-three player in all of women’s college basketball…” | | 29:24 | Joe | “Russell Wilson’s veteran leadership... it would be dope there.” | | 30:45 | Chad | “He tore something… multiple ligaments.” [on Mahomes’ injury] | | 37:09 | Chad | “You fell in love with him because he could drive a forklift. Now you got him being a cashier…” | | 43:35 | Chad (quoting Aikman) | “The players are just not able to train the way they once did... not able to callous their bodies…” | | 45:57 | Chad | “You asked these guys to go 50 miles an hour all week long, and then come Sunday go 100. That’s hard.” | | 49:06 | Chad | “We have guys having seizures… he gonna be okay. Are you gonna be okay, dude? …We ain’t stopping no practice.” | | 53:40–55:41 | Chad | “Who beat sharp in Bull in the Ring?... None of them seeing me. None of them.” | | 64:02 | Chad | “Where they getting all this damn money from?” [on Rams-Eagles trade talk] | | 65:08 | Chad | “They probably want Atlanta’s first and not the Rams’, because the Rams’ [is] further down.” | | 66:59 | Joe | “Anytime there’s smoke, there’s fire for sure.” |

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Segment Timestamps

• March Madness Brackets: 03:37–23:38
• NFL Free Agency Chiefs/Wilson: 29:01–38:59
• Aikman on Injuries/Training: 43:35–49:06
• Vintage Training Camp/Locker Room Stories: 49:06–62:15
• AJ Brown Trade Speculation: 63:34–68:26

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Summary Takeaways

• Everything old-school is new again: The hosts’ stories and Aikman’s commentary reveal nostalgia for tougher, more physical football—implying this “callousness” is lost and missed in today’s injury-riddled NFL.
• Roster moves dominate NFL chatter: Insights into Chiefs’ Mahomes contingency plans, free-agent safety/DB moves, and the off-field puzzle of reconstructing winning teams, with plenty of off-the-cuff wisdom about why some players only shine in the right system.
• AJ Brown trade watch: Eagles, Rams, and Patriots dealmaking is a moving target, with the hosts emphasizing that cap math and draft picks will ultimately decide the outcome.
• Brackets = banter: The March Madness segment is full of friendly trash talk, nostalgia, and a dash of humility about just how little “logic” holds up in the NCAA tourney.

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Nightcap continues to deliver real talk, classic stories, and sharp insight—making this Hour 2 a must-catch segment for sports fans who want personality as much as playbooks.

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[Chad Johnson]

Duke took it though number one overall seed in Selection Sunday, with Arizona, Michigan, defending champs Florida rounding out the number one seeds. And without further ado, OO and Joe and I are going to reveal our full completed brackets. Well, Oooh, I'm reading oo or the oo go read oo. Oh, Lord have mercy.

[Joe]

Now you, you, you read. I could barely see mine.

[Chad Johnson]

All right, you got. Dude, hold on.

[Joe]

Before you start, right, for all the people that are watching, if you made a bracket, this is a great time to look at mine and cheat, because this is exactly how March Madness is gonna go, and I could win us a whole lot of money. Okay, go ahead.

[Chad Johnson]

By Saturday, this is what you'll be able to do to Ocho's Brack.

[Joe]

All right, all right.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm telling you, all right, he got. Obviously, he got Duke. Okay, he has duke, Ohio State, St. John's Kansas, Louisville, Michigan State, UCLA, UConn advancing. And then he has Duke and Kansas, Michigan State, UCLA advancing. Then he has Duke, Kansas. I know he has Duke over Kansas and UCLA over Michigan State. So in the east coming out, he has Duke facing UCLA in the bottom half of the bracket. He has Florida, Clemson, Magnese, Nebraska, North Carolina, Illinois, Texas A and M. Houston advancing. And then he has.

[Ocho]

Well, that's a tough.

[Chad Johnson]

Over Clemson, Nebraska over Magnet, North Carolina over Illinois, Houston over Texas A and M. He has Florida over Nebraska, Houston over North Carolina, and then he has Houston to upset number one seed Florida. Okay, and I guess this is the West. He has Arizona, Utah State, Wisconsin, Arkansas, byu, Kennesaw State, Miami, Florida, Purdue. And then he has Miami over Miami, Florida over Purdue, BYU over Kennesaw State, Arkansas over Wisconsin, Arizona over Utah State, and then he has Arizona over Arkansas, Miami tripping over byu, and then he has Arizona in the Final Four. He has Duke in the Final Four. He has Houston in the Final Four. In the Midwest, he has Michigan, St. Louis, Texas Tech, Alabama, Tennessee, Virginia, Santa Clara, Iowa State advancing. And then he has Michigan to advance, Alabama to advance, Virginia to advance, Iowa State to advance. He has Virginia to advance, Michigan to advance. And then Virginia beats Michigan, and they go to the Final Four. And he has. Cutting down the nets. Arizona.

[Ocho]

They ain't. Ain't a bad pick.

[Joe]

I know. I know. I know. It's not.

[Ocho]

You got decent. You got a decent bracket. You. You know, get you off to a good start after that.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you got him hyped up straight to the shredder on Saturday.

[Joe]

Listen. Hey, y'. All. Y'.

[Chad Johnson]

All.

[Joe]

Y' all don't understand. It's. It's only one game. The way you think things are gonna go, that. It never happens the way you think it's gonna go.

[Ocho]

I already know you over there picking mascots. I know you don't know what's going on.

[Chad Johnson]

All right, Joe got. Joe has duke, Ohio State, St. John's Kansas, Louisville, Michigan State, UCLA and UConn to advance in the first round. And then he has Duke, St. John's Michigan State, UCLA, and then he has St. John's Michigan State. Then he has St. John's beating St. John's beating Michigan State in the east. And then in the south, he has Florida, Clemson, Vanderbilt, Nebraska, North Carolina, Illinois, Texas A and M, Houston to advance, and then Florida, Vanderbilt, Illinois, Houston to advance. And then he has Florida to beat Vanderbilt, Houston to be Illinois, and in Florida to be Houston, and then he has Florida to be St. John's to advance to the Final Four and the west bracket. He has Arizona, Villanova, Wisconsin, Arkansas, byu, Gonzaga, Miami over Floor, Miami and Purdue to advance. And then he has Arizona over Villanova, Arkansas over Wisconsin, BYU over Gonzaga, Purdue over Miami, BYU over Purdue, Arkansas over Arizona.

[Ocho]

What's funny?

[Joe]

Hey, you talk about my bracket.

[Chad Johnson]

Arkansas to beat byu to the Final Four in the Midwest. He got Michigan, St. Louis, Texas Tech, Alabama, Tennessee, Virginia, Kentucky, Iowa State to advance, and then he has Michigan, Alabama, Virginia, Iowa State to advance, and then he has Michigan over Alabama, Virginia, Iowa State over Virginia. And then he has Michigan over Iowa State, and then he has. In the Final Four. His final four is Florida, Arkansas, Michigan and St. John's so he has Michigan, Arkansas, Michigan and Florida to beat St. John's Arkansas to beat Florida, and then they face.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. When we see Florida again, they get back a mug. You hear me? They get back a mug on the biggest stage.

[Chad Johnson]

Watch.

[Ocho]

We gonna catch Florida.

[Chad Johnson]

All right, put them down.

[Joe]

I got it.

[Chad Johnson]

Sounds good. Ohio State, St. John's Kansas, Louisville, Michigan State, UCF, UConn. And then I got Duke, St. John's Louisville, Yukon. And then I got St. John's Louisville. And then I got St. John's advancing the bottom half, I got Florida, Clemson, Vanderbilt, Nebraska, North Carolina, Illinois, St. Mary's and Houston. And then I got Florida, Vanderbilt, Illinois, Houston. And then I got Vanderbilt, Houston. And then I got Houston over Vanderbilt. Top half of the west bracket, I got Arizona, Villanova, Wisconsin, Arkansas, byu, Gonzaga, Missouri, Purdue. And then I got Arizona over Villanova. I got Arkansas over Wisconsin, Gonzaga over byu, Purdue over Missouri. I got Purdue over Gonzaga. I got Arkansas over Arizona. And then I got Arkansas to advance over Purdue. In the bottom half, I got Michigan, St. Louis, Texas Tech, Bama, Tennessee, Virginia, Santa Clara, Iowa State. And then I got Michigan to beat St. Louis. I got Alabama to beat Texas Tech. I got Virginia to beat Tennessee, and I got Iowa State to beat Santa Clara. And I got Iowa State to beat Virginia, Alabama to beat Michigan, and Iowa State to beat Alabama. And I got Arkansas to be Iowa state. I got St. John's to beat Houston. And I got. Cutting down the nets, St. John's hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Ocho]

You got a decent break. You just need to flip flop your championship game team. You got the right team, you just gotta flip the scenario. I don't know what you got going on over there.

[Chad Johnson]

You ain't bad.

[Ocho]

I like how you thinking over there. Boy, you might have been coming off my bracket a little bit.

[Chad Johnson]

I tell you what I did do. I didn't go by mascots. I didn't pick the mascot. Whoever had the best looking mascot.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, y'.

[Chad Johnson]

All.

[Joe]

Listen, y'.

[Chad Johnson]

All.

[Joe]

Y' all using your. Your basketball knowledge and using your logic and common sense to pick the teams. And it never goes that way. That's how I know neither one of y' all gonna Be in there at the end.

[Ocho]

You got all top.

[Chad Johnson]

That's all he do.

[Ocho]

It's gonna be some upsets.

[Chad Johnson]

That's why they call it.

[Ocho]

I got y', all, I'm telling you. Oh, man, I'm killing y' all in the chat, too. They rolling with your boy.

[Chad Johnson]

That's okay.

[Joe]

The chat don't know no better.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you do. I bet you my brain could be better than y'.

[Joe]

All. You won't bet nothing.

[Chad Johnson]

Nah, Joe.

[Ocho]

What you bet?

[Chad Johnson]

That ain't gonna happen.

[Ocho]

What you mean?

[Chad Johnson]

I like my bracket. I like the upsets.

[Ocho]

Well, y' all boys in trouble.

[Chad Johnson]

Ocho, pin the tail on the brake on the bracket.

[Ocho]

Yo.

[Joe]

Hey, it took me. It took me three hours to make my bracket, man.

[Chad Johnson]

I could have made your bracket.

[Joe]

Three minutes, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Mascots roll, but I'd have got this.

[Joe]

Hey, you heard me, Joe.

[Ocho]

What'd you say?

[Joe]

Man, I sat there for about. About damn near two, three hours, man, doing my due diligence and homework, you know, before. Before I made my bracket, man.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, what's up with you and uncle and y' all fashion pink and all that today? I ain't get the memo. What's up?

[Joe]

I got on pink.

[Ocho]

I got a little pink in his shirt. You got a little hot pink, which I got going.

[Joe]

You know, this is. It was a Uventa jersey.

[Chad Johnson]

Unless you got a. Oh, yeah, yeah. Background. Look, look, look.

[Ocho]

Pinkish red. It's for the Hogs, baby. You know, we still celebrating over here. I'm sorry. Come on, chill, chill, chill. Let us enjoy our moment, man. Hey, let's enjoy our moment.

[Chad Johnson]

Y' all on, y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Chad Johnson]

What? What are y' all on? Y' all on Eastern time or Central time?

[Ocho]

We're on Central time.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, you got another hour. Enjoy. You got another hour. Enjoy. The thing about these brackets, you never look. You. You always like, okay, the number one seed. But, man, anything can happen on a given, on a given, on a given. Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. You have no earthly idea what could possibly happen. We've seen it. Expect the unexpected from when Villanova beat Georgetown to an NC State beat Houston. It started with Texas Western beating Kentucky.

[Ocho]

Yeah, man. Man, listen, it's not. It's. It's. It's nothing like March Madness. I remember Uncle Ocho when I was in high school, bro, junior high school, when the Razorbacks played. Cause, you know, that's more like our NBA team. We ain't had no right NBA professional team. But the Razorbacks was there, you know, in the 90s. They were always Good.

[Chad Johnson]

Y' all had Sydney Moncrief?

[Ocho]

Yeah, we had Sydney Moncrief, Ron Brewer, Lee Mayberry, Ty Day. We had Squad, Cordless Williamson, Scotty Thurman. Them dudes, they went to back to back natties one one.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So the 90s, we were always pretty good. And I remember they were shut down if the Razorbacks was playing. Bro, you go to class, you know how they roll. They wheel them big TVs in there. Them big. The big TV, they wheel them in there.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

We watching the game gonna be on today. The whole school shut down. Every class got the game on. So those are moments that I always remember. So when I see, you know, the Razorbacks playing like they did this weekend, bro, and winning the sec, you know, championship, it. It. It take me back to my childhood memories. So. I don't know. I'm still. I'm still in a little awe by how those dudes played throughout this whole weekend.

[Chad Johnson]

All right, Ocho, now we did a. A women's bracket also. Oh, Ocho. I'm gonna read Ocho's right, yo. All right, we starting out in the east. We got Yukon, Syracuse, Maryland, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Colorado, Vanderbilt. And then he has Syracuse. I mean, he has Yukon over Syracuse, North Carolina over Maryland, Ohio State over Notre Dame, Vanderbilt over Colorado, and he has Yukon over North Carolina, Ohio State over Vanderbilt, UConn over Ohio State. And in the bottom half, he has South Carolina, usc, Michigan State, Oklahoma, South Dakota State, tcu, Georgia, Iowa. And then he has South Carolina advancing, Oklahoma advancing, TCU advancing, Iowa advancing. He has South Carolina over Oklahoma, TCU over Iowa, and he has TCU to upset South Carolina. Top, he has ucla, Princeton, Gonzaga, Minnesota, Baylor, Duke, Texas Tech, lsu. And then he has UCLA to beat Princeton, Gonzaga to beat Minnesota, Duke to beat Baylor, LSU to beat Texas Tech, Duke to be lsu, UCLA to beat Gonzaga, and UCLA over Duke. And in the bottom half, he has Texas, Oregon, Kentucky, Miami of Ohio, Alabama, Louisville, North Carolina State, Michigan. And then he has Texas over Oregon, Kentucky over Miami, Ohio, Louisville over Alabama, Michigan over NC State, and he has Texas over Kentucky, Michigan over Louisville, and then he has Michigan to upset Texas. I'm gonna go ahead and borrow yours up in the trash. Put it in the trash right now.

[Ocho]

That man. That man got TCU beating South Carolina.

[Chad Johnson]

Here's Ocho. Women's.

[Joe]

Hey, hey,

[Chad Johnson]

hey, Chad. This man got. He got Texas losing, South Carolina losing and Duke. And he got Duke losing. No, you got.

[Joe]

Hey, you. Do you do realize this is Marshall?

[Chad Johnson]

It'll be like that for the women, though. It's just like that for the men. All right, but. Okay.

[Joe]

All right,

[Chad Johnson]

here in my bracket, I got Yukon, North Carolina, Ohio State, Vanderbilt. And then I got Yukon, North Carolina, Ohio State, Vanderbilt, and then I got UConn, Ohio State. I got UConn over Ohio State. I got South Carolina, Clemson, Michigan State, Oklahoma, Washington, tcu, Georgia, Iowa. And then I go South Carolina, Oklahoma, tcu, Iowa, South Carolina, tcu. I got South Carolina over tcu. At the top half, I'm going ucla, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, Minnesota, Baylor, Duke, Texas Tech, lsu. I got LSU over Texas Tech. I got Baylor over Duke, I got Ole Miss over Minnesota. I got UCLA over Oklahoma, I got UCLA over Ole Miss, I got LSU over Baylor, I got UCLA over lsu. In the bottom half, I got Texas, Oregon, Kentucky, West Virginia, Alabama, Louisville, Tennessee, Michigan, and then I got Texas, West Virginia, Alabama, Michigan, and then I got Texas over West Virginia. I got Michigan over Alabama, and then I got Texas over Michigan. I got UConn over South Carolina, I got Texas over UCLA, and then I got the National Champions back to back. The Lady Huskers of Stores years.

[Ocho]

I said husk.

[Chad Johnson]

Lady. The Lady. The Lady Huskies of Stores. Oo. I'm sorry.

[Ocho]

I might. I might seem. I'm send mine in am.

[Chad Johnson]

No, you don't copy ours. Now. That a late.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe. Hey, just. Hey, Joe, Just follow my.

[Chad Johnson]

Just say you got the wrong bracket up there. What bracket y' all got up there? Yeah, what. What the ladies bracket at?

[Ocho]

It ain't up there.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, okay.

[Ocho]

Yeah, there it is. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Can y' all see it now?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Lady strong and Fudge too much.

[Ocho]

Let me see.

[Chad Johnson]

Sarah Strong. They too much. And Gino.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. I'mma tell you where you messed up at.

[Chad Johnson]

Messed up at Joe when he picked

[Ocho]

Vander, when he picked Ohio State girls over Vanderbilt.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, look, I like sh.

[Ocho]

Vanderbilt.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, she played. Hey, she played it, but you'll see.

[Ocho]

All right, all right.

[Chad Johnson]

I. I got you, boy. Oh, Joe, you see what he did? He already assault. We picked. He gonna try to pick opposite of us. Yeah. Yes.

[Ocho]

I mean, well, I'm for sure ain't gonna pick what y' all picking. I'm not doing that.

[Joe]

Well, you definitely ain't gonna win if you ain't picking what I'm picking.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you go ahead and pick it, right? You might. You might. You might.

[Joe]

You might want to follow my lead.

[Chad Johnson]

Nah, don't do that. I already threw yours in the trash.

[Ocho]

Oo, you out of there.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey. What's my prize? When I win.

[Chad Johnson]

You're not winning. You're not winning. Oh, we haven't thought that part. Advance, cuz. There a chance.

[Joe]

Hey, one thing, boy. Y' all hating on my. On my. On my picks.

[Chad Johnson]

We have. We have not thought that far in advance.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, you been in the gym?

[Ocho]

Come on, man, stop playing. Oh, Joe, I'm just.

[Joe]

I'm just making sure, bro, because you. Hey, you gonna have. You gonna have hell on your hands soon, boy.

[Ocho]

You make. Hey, you just making it worse for yourself, man. If I was you, I'm.

[Joe]

I'm just telling you, Joe, boy, you're gonna have hell on your hands, boy.

[Chad Johnson]

You hear me? Look, if. If USC had juju, we'd be talking something different. If South Carolina had Khloe kits, we might be talking something different. Right? I just don't see nobody. I just don't see anyone beating Yukon. I don't.

[Ocho]

They too good.

[Chad Johnson]

Ain't they Strong and. And fud. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, tell you all it take. All it take is one game.

[Joe]

I keep trying to tell y' all that.

[Chad Johnson]

Y' all ain't listen to me. How you keep it close with them? Ain't nobody been close. Yeah, they got a one, two. They got. They're gonna have two all Americans, and that's normally what UConn does. They have two all Americans. They normally have at least going into the ncaa, It's. It hasn't been often they didn't have the best player or one of the three best players. You go back and look at it, from Sue Bird into Rousey to Swing Cash to Tina Charles to Maya Moore. It doesn't matter, right?

[Ocho]

They got Stewie.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, Renee Montgomery. I mean, you just go look at their rosters. They're going to have one. They're going to have a top three player in all the women's college basketball. A lot of times, they got the best player. And here, lo and behold, here we are again.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, I like our big Alba State. All the crooks. Bigot. Big ought to be h. That thing. Oh, we.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Chad Johnson]

She go out at 5000 on them. Get up out of here.

[Ocho]

Hey, she obese. She a beast.

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[Chad Johnson]

Y' all are in trouble.

[Ocho]

This. This here was easy work, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Joe, who you got winning

[Ocho]

girls.

[Joe]

Ain't that hard, Joe.

[Ocho]

I sit there and scan, man. Is South Carolina missing somebody? Well,

[Chad Johnson]

no, no, no. They got. They got guard. They got Tessa Johnson and Raven Johnson. They got another. A girl that was, uh, first team all conference. I forget her name. Yeah, she's really good, though. She's really good. She's probably gonna be.

[Ocho]

I'm going.

[Chad Johnson]

I got first team all America.

[Ocho]

I'm gonna feel my breakout and send to y'. All. But I got South Carolina winning.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, I like that. Yeah, I just. Man, Gino, man, you know, anytime. Gino, you don't win that many championships.

[Ocho]

Bad Boy.

[Chad Johnson]

He done won 112 straight games and 80 straight games, and here they are. Like, they don't won, like 49 in a row.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Bad Boy.

[Chad Johnson]

So we'll saddle. With Patrick Mahomes rehabbing from a torn acl, the Kansas City Chiefs could explore veteran quarterback options, including Russell Wilson. Russell remains unsigned following his departure from the Giants, and his name is among the top remaining free agents still available on the open market. Ocho, Joe, would this be a great landing spot for Russ?

[Joe]

I mean, oh, can he keep the can he keep the ship afloat with what the Kansas City Chiefs have offensively, obviously the enemy, Andy Reid will put Russell Wilson in position to be able to, to have success. The onus of winning those games aren't going to be burden with on his shoulders. I think they have enough offensively where, where he can come in and ride that ship and keep that team afloat with wins until Patrick Mahomes is ready to come back. If he's not ready to come back before the season starts. To me, his veteran presence, his veteran leadership, obviously being a former super bowl winning quarterback, I think it would be dope. It would be dope there.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I, I think, I think it'll be a great insurance. Ocho, you know, not sure how long Holmes is going to be out, but to have somebody back there, veteran presence who's kind of been around the block, knows the ropes and I think he could, he could definitely, you know, use some of those weapons that Kansas City has. I think he'll be a great, great QB to have it to him until Mahomes can get back healthy. But coming off of acl, fellas, I know that, I know he ain't got to do a whole lot of moving, but man, it ain't just no easy injury. Just to be coming back from those six to eight months, nine months like.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, it's just not the acl. He tore something because remember he had the Dallas doctor to do that surgery, the Cowboys and he's a special when they tear multiple ligaments in that knee. He's the guy that a lot of guys go to and did because he's one of the foremost authorities on knees when you're tearing multiple ligaments. So that tells me that this is a lot more extensive than just a typical ACL where they go real, you know, they do a cadaver or they take some of the patella, tendon, infuse it. It tells me it's a little bit more extensive than that. And the question is he did this in what? December, January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September. That's nine months.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I think the thing what has happened is that we look at Adrian Peterson and we expect everybody to come back like Adrian Peterson and to be Adrian Peterson, Ocho and Joe. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, that boy was a reptile or something. He was better.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Ocho]

After he got hurt, I hurt.

[Joe]

Yeah, he healed differently. Boy, he was a different animal. He's a different animal. Obviously everybody, everybody rehabs and heals different from injuries. But something as significant as that for him to Come back and do what he was able to do. I mean, obviously, if I was one to get injured, I would copy everything Adrian Peterson did. I mean, I just would. Same doctor, same rehab. I don't care who. I need everything you did, I need to know what you ate. Everything.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. And the thing is, is that obviously now you definitely need offensive line to protect. They think they're going to be able to run the ball a little better with K9, Ocho. They. They think they upgraded their money. The question is, can you upgrade your offensive line? You know, you moved on from your right tackle, Juwan.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

And so it's going to be very, very interesting to see what they do offensively. Do they add a receiver? Defensively, they moved on. They let both of their corners go. Ocho. They lost a safety, a starting safety to the Chiefs. They lost a lot of backup defensive line, but I think the starters are still there, but they've lost a lot of backups. So it's gonna. Look, they. They've got to rebuild this thing. They've kind of let the cupboard kind of let the covers go bare because you're winning and you say, well, you're just gonna keep winning with what we got. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Joe]

I was gonna say luxurious sneeze just got released by the Titans. I think there might be a scenario where he comes back. There might be a scenario where he comes back. He's for me with the defense. Spags is for me with him and what he can do, especially with Trent McDuffie going. I'm not sure who's next in line to step up as that veteran presence on that defense, but I think maybe bringing legerious need back into that defense a fold, as good as he was while he was there, I mean, it would. It would be. It'd be good.

[Chad Johnson]

I just want to know why these guys that when they leave Spags, they never be the same.

[Joe]

I think. I think with the Jerry's, if I'm not mistaken. Correct me if I'm wrong, Chad. I mean, I think injuries, injuries played a big part.

[Chad Johnson]

What about True Davious Ward? He was hurt, too, wasn't San Francisco. He didn't play like he did in Kansas City. Now he went to Indy.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

He got hurt in Indy.

[Joe]

He got hurt. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

It's almost like. It's kind of like. You know what it's like, Ocho, Think about the guys, the defensive guys that leave New England. Remember JC Jackson got all that money to go to the Chargers?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And I'll be. Damn, damn, damn. Cut him before the season was over five years of 82 million.

[Ocho]

Hey, what is it.

[Chad Johnson]

Is it.

[Ocho]

Is it the defensive schemes that's different from other teams?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, sometimes it's the scheme and you get. The Patriots do a great job of whatever your weaknesses. Is. Are they never put you in a situation where you get to expose them?

[Joe]

Bingo. Yeah. And. And. And two Joe. Uncle Joe in Kansas City, they run that two shell a lot. A lot. So you really know you're really not on the island by yourself.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

You can get exposed, but you always have help over top. Yeah, yeah, most. Most of the time. Then you go to other teams doing that. Especially when. Hey, when. Hey, when they pay you that bag, they. Yes. Out there by yourself, boy.

[Ocho]

Nothing over the top. You. It's just you.

[Joe]

Hey, boy, you out there by yourself. So at times you. You tend to get exposed a little bit.

[Chad Johnson]

Remember Larry Brown for the Cowboys? They played quarters. He was Super Bowl MVP for Dallas.

[Joe]

Oh, number 24, he go to the Raiders.

[Chad Johnson]

Raiders don't play. Another man

[Joe]

covered. Yeah,

[Chad Johnson]

basted him every Sunday. Hey, you gotta be careful. Go and play for the Raiders. Cause they play man coverage now. I don't know, May. Maybe they changed it on Cho, but in the 90s when I was there, it was straight, man. Hey, them guys didn't even go to the huddle because they already know what it was. They go to damn huddle for what? You already know what it is.

[Joe]

Yeah, they did. They did that when I was playing too long. Straight man. Straight man. I. I remember that.

[Chad Johnson]

But you got. Hey, remember that? To like to play snap after snap after snap after snap right in your face. Hey, coach, you don't want to change it up. You don't want to go quarters a little bit. You don't want to play cover two. You just gonna play everything.

[Joe]

Nope.

[Ocho]

Hey, I'm saying. I'm saying no matter how the game

[Chad Johnson]

going, they playing man coverage, Joe.

[Joe]

They. Hey, they in your face every day.

[Chad Johnson]

That's how Buddy was. Buddy Ryan with the Bears. They play, man.

[Joe]

Yeah, but you know, if you could get.

[Chad Johnson]

If you could stand in there and get the ball off, okay, there's a potential for a big play. But. But we gonna knock hell out you.

[Joe]

Yeah, but I remember that.

[Chad Johnson]

Everybody. Everybody can't play like that, man. Everybody. Everybody can't play like that. It's just like some receivers, you go and everybody, they stack the formation, they bunch the formation. They got all these rub routes. And then when you get there and they ain't got all them bunch and stack Formation, they say get two yards outside the number and go get open, son. Like this here you.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe. Hey, that's like. Hey, that Joe. That's like you calling for ISO.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Having no package, you create no separation.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. So it's. I think. But the thing. And this is what I tell this tell. I tell people all the time, if you go spend a boatload of money ocho on somebody, you better use that mofo. What? You fall in love. Exact way you get him because you fell in love with him because he could drive a forklift. Now you got him being a cashier and talking about why your money short. He tried a forklift. No damn cashier, right? So you wonder why? Man, I ain't.

[Joe]

I ain't getting.

[Chad Johnson]

I ain't get no sacks, bro. You got him two gapping. You gotta put him on the edge and let him go.

[Joe]

Yeah, a lot of. A lot of coaches, a lot of coordinators, they never go away from their scheme. They get a player and want that player to fit what they do not understand. And listen, you got him for a reason. Why not just play to his strengths, understand what he does well, you know, throw a little wrinkle, a little wrinkle or two in there away from what you like to do. We know it's your scheme. We know it's your tactics. We understand that. But no, maximize everything you can out of each player, understanding what they do best and put them in position to do so. Coaches don't do that.

[Chad Johnson]

You won't fit my scheme exactly. Hell no. You better get somebody. Look, why'd you fall in love with him? He didn't play your scheme. He didn't play your scheme while you fell in love with him. He wasn't too gapping. He wasn't no man cover guy. Or the same token, if he's a man cover guy, don't be asking him to play his own because he gonna get lost. He gonna lose interest.

[Ocho]

Mm.

[Chad Johnson]

Let him do what you fell in love with him to do. It's a shower curtain, not a throw rug. It ain't that complicated. And sometimes you guys make it more complicated. What it needs to be way more.

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[Chad Johnson]

Aikman thinks one rule designed to reduce wear and tear on the players bodies maybe actually cause some of the injuries. Back then you did two a days. That kind of heat. Two day after day after day, two practices in full pass, no restriction. Probably for the better. The players aren't as taxed as they were. But Aikman added that there is a trade off. Players aren't physically prepared to start the season, but some of it we have to do a lot with. The reason I think so many injuries, especially early in the year, a lot of soft tissue injuries, a lot of muscle pulls and things of that nature, is that the players are just not able to train the way they once did. They're not able to callous their bodies as easily now that they're. The training is hard all the time, all that. But it's different training on your own as opposed to being on the football field, practicing football movements. Ocho, you and I've been saying that now, see, we've been saying that.

[Joe]

Yeah, same thing. Same thing he just said in a different way. You know, I. Obviously, I think they. We. They don't train enough. Again, he used the word I always use about being able to callous the body. Being able to callous the body. So it's able to withstand going from 0 to 100 on game day, as opposed to the way practices are. They'd be out.

[Ocho]

They.

[Joe]

I mean, they'd be half assing Joe. I mean, no, no disrespect to the way things are right now, but yeah, I mean, I'm calling spade a spade. It is what it is. I don't think they practice the same way we used to practice back then. Obviously, injuries are going to happen. Injuries are going to happen, but at the. It's. They're happening now at an alarming rate and there has to be something. Something to it. I think it. What they do in the off season, maybe what they do in training camp, maybe it's not enough, but I mean, with the way they. They've asked for a little bit more leniency when it comes to the hours that are spent on the practice field. I mean, this. This is what you get in a sense.

[Ocho]

Yeah,

[Chad Johnson]

I just, I'm just a firm believer. I. I agree with Troy. How about. Our bodies were a lot more calloused because we did a lot more in the beginning. You know, we would put you on the ground, but then you. You still thought it up as. As we kind of moved towards. Got towards the middle 90s and things of that nature, we thudded up. We didn't really take it to the ground, but your bodies got used to that. You asked these guys to go 50 miles an hour all week long, and then come Sunday go 100. Yeah, that's hard.

[Ocho]

You.

[Chad Johnson]

You've got to tell. You've got to put that car to the test at some point in time. You got to open it up, Ocho, to see what it'll do.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

But they go out there, let's meet, let's walk through. Let's meet, let's walk through. Ain't no damn meeting to walk through on Sunday. You got to put your. You got to put your body under the gun, right? If you want the Body. If you want the body to respond to a certain nuke stimuli, you got to put the body under that stimuli.

[Joe]

Got to.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't get it. But, you know, but they wanted. They want to do hiding me and A skips and B skips and. And they want to do all that, and I get it, okay? I get it.

[Joe]

I get it.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, but come on now. You play football? Yeah, yeah, football put wear and tear on your body.

[Joe]

Yeah, it does.

[Chad Johnson]

They put helmet on you, they put pads on you. Hey, they tackle your ass to the ground and that nice speed and that high knee action. I get all that. But what good is that on your. If your body, as soon as somebody hit you, you shout it like ice hitting the floor.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, that's why they talk about. It's kind of the same thing in basketball. That's why they talking about, man, we

[Chad Johnson]

need to cut the.

[Ocho]

Cut it down. Yeah, yeah, but they ain't gonna take

[Chad Johnson]

10 games worth of salary off.

[Ocho]

There we go. There we go. There we go. So, you know, I agree with y', all, though. I just think, like. Like. Like Troy said that their body's not as callous, you know, as it was back in the day. Like, bro, this all we did. And, yeah, like, nowadays, all you see is walkthroughs and play time and practice. And then like you say, when game time come, now, you gotta rev it up to this height that you ain't accustomed to getting it to. And this is what causes the injuries.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, we just. I mean, was live. I mean, we hit during the week. 907 was real. We was pad. I mean, we had pads on Wednesday and Thursday, and you had on shorts and shoulder pads on Friday. That was my first three years. That was my first three years. Even 707 Ocho, they thudded. It wasn't like, guys touch you on the waist now. Oh, no, no, sir.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, you caught a comeback, and you caught something. The DBs came in, they put that. Put. Putting them pads on you square them up. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Just let you know I'm here.

[Chad Johnson]

That contact. But. But now that's not. And I. Look, I get it. It's a different time now. I think Coach Saban. I mean, maybe those old school college coaches did, like, what we did in the 90s coming along. Cause Bill Davis ain't bull jack, bro. We was out there two and a half hours, and we were getting it. And y' all know if you in the south, you know, it's hot, hot, and somebody pass out, move the pile they tend to him back there. We move up to. Hey, if he got hurt on the defensive side, we move back 20 yards. If he hurt on the opposite side, we moved up 10 yards. But you're not finna stop nothing.

[Joe]

Yeah, the show stop, bro.

[Chad Johnson]

Man, we have guys having seizures. He gonna be okay. Are you gonna be okay, dude? Foaming at the mouth and everything. Go choke. We ain't stopping no practice. You break a leg or something, break an arm, you ain't no practice.

[Joe]

Nah. Hey, hey, hey. We gonna come pat you on the helmet.

[Chad Johnson]

You okay?

[Joe]

Make sure you good. That. That whistle blow. Hey, yeah.

[Ocho]

Y' all ever had teammates come in today? They'd be like, hey, hey, sharp. Hey, Ocho, I ain't got it today. I'm from fake meal injury today. I ain't got

[Chad Johnson]

no Joe. But my first year, we did have a lot of guys. Because like I said, Coach Davis told us the first day we met, we met. We had a big old meeting. Coach Davis said, I got 60, 65 uniforms.

[Ocho]

Top.

[Chad Johnson]

We had 110 guys, right? Coach Davis said I gotta trim the fat. I had never heard that saying before.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

In other words, he only wanted lean meat. All that. All that fat wasn't gonna be there. So the first day, before we even started practice, we had 30 minutes of running gases.

[Joe]

Oh, wait, hold on. Sideline and sideline.

[Chad Johnson]

Over was one, over, back, right over, back, over. We went all the way to seven. Oh, twice. Then we started practice with calisthenics.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, okay, he tripping.

[Chad Johnson]

And then we had a two hour practice. Man, you ought to heard all them cars cranking up in the middle of night. Joe and Ocho, all you heard was Foot Locker slamming,

[Joe]

Tripping. That's a lot.

[Ocho]

Hey, boy, look, they remind me of college, man. I ain't never worked that hard in my life. Yes. First. Hey, hey. The first 45 minutes to an hour practice, you don't even touch a basketball. It's straight conditioning, okay? I'm talking about straight conditioning, medicine ball. I'm talking about. We used to use a basketball, but it was halfway filled with water, right? Like, man, you. We had all type of. He had all type of mind games. We were playing. Boy, when you get to college, boy, it got real.

[Chad Johnson]

But that's the thing. But that's the thing. So what you want us to do? You better. The thing is, is that growing up, Ocho, we. We didn't have people. I. I'm sure it did, but I didn't hear about it. But it. We didn't have the Media like this. But you condition your body to the sun. Cause you was out in the sun. You worked in the sun.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You played in the sun all the time. You went on no video games. And then all of a sudden, think you will get your ass out there in triple degree heat for 200 for five hours a day and going to be okay. You. You had already conditioned your body to get used to that level of heat.

[Ocho]

What?

[Joe]

Ready for it, bro?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, you. Hey. You get dehydrated, you get woozy? Oh, hey, Bill said go sit up under the tree. Hey, son, you all right?

[Joe]

Come on.

[Chad Johnson]

What don't you just. You were done for the rest of the practice.

[Joe]

Oh, no.

[Chad Johnson]

You better sit your ass off about 5, 10 minutes and get back in there. Look, it's. It's a different time now. And I understand. You can't practice like that. Because when I was. We still do in Oklahoma. We did bully in the ring. We did half line. We did all that.

[Joe]

I remember that.

[Chad Johnson]

All that.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe. I used to do bully in the ring, Joe.

[Ocho]

Hey, what's the bully in the ring? That's the one where you lay down.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, nah, you put one guy in the ring and everybody else circled around him and everybody got him. And he just calling, and you just got to keep turning around and around. You got to keep moving your feet. He called the number, and that dude come and charge you.

[Joe]

Yeah, you got to anchor. You got Joe. You got to anchor down.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I'm the bull and I'm in the ring. Come on with it.

[Joe]

Yeah, I used to do it. I used to do it with the dbs.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know. You know, physicality wasn't my. Wasn't my strong suit. You know, being strong wasn't my strong suit, Joe. But that goddamn bullet in the ring

[Ocho]

you should get right now.

[Joe]

I ain't had no choice but to get right, Joe. I had no choice. I had. I had to anchor down, boy. I had to anchor down. But I'll be the first one to tell you, boy, that was not my strength, bro. At all. Like. Like. No, no.

[Ocho]

Lack, what'd you look like in that bull of the ring when it came

[Chad Johnson]

to dbs and safety to me, I make them turn it down. I make them turn it all the way down. As anybody at Savannah State from 1986 to 1989, who be sharp in? Bull in the ring. Who beat sharp in Oklahoma? I make them turn it down. Then none of them seeing me. None of them.

[Ocho]

They want. They want none of that smoke.

[Chad Johnson]

Not one. One. Dude, he Came from a junior college talking, hey, because I showed up late. I showed up late because it was my senior year. I showed up.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I already done called Coach Davis. I said, coach Davis, I would be late because I want to make an interest. Oh. So I was chills or not. You know what I'm saying? Oh, y'. All. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 227. I probably showed up about five and a half, maybe 6% body fat. Yes, sir. I've been in the sun. So. I'm in the sun. This is my skin right here. That's what I'm looking like. That's what I'm looking like. Jordan Ocho. I've been the sun alone. So when I get there, they said, man, this guy, this DB shot, man, he talking crazy. I said, what are you saying?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

He said, man, Sharp ain't gonna get nothing on me. He cannot run, he ain't strong as me, and he cannot jump. I said, okay, first day. Hey, Bill, say, we're gonna see. We're gonna see how tough everybody is today. So we get to practice. We get to practice. So I'm thinking, okay, we gonna. We gonna thud up, and we're gonna do. I said, coach Davis, we could. We catching it pass today. Coach Dave said, hell no, Holmes. It's nut cutting time. I called the trainer. I said, come take my thumbs up because I ain't want to mess my thumbs up. I said, take your thumbs up. I'm up first.

[Joe]

Oh, for.

[Chad Johnson]

When you.

[Joe]

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[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir. So what he got to do? Okay, they blow the whistle, you backpedal. Hey, hey. You backpedal. And then come. He backpedal. Joe Ocho. And, like, when he tried to come forward, he slipped just a little bit. And when he. Yeah, by the time he got ready to get up, I had my knee in his chest. So I picked his head with my knee, and I got it just like this here.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

All your. Everybody hit me on my head. I said. I said, I'm done.

[Joe]

You were done.

[Chad Johnson]

You say you.

[Ocho]

You had to make a statement, bro.

[Chad Johnson]

You're not. How you. You just got here. Do you know, bro, you finna come here and try to show and talk reckless to me, right? Honestly, I tried to kill him. I tried to put him through the ground. He ain't never. He ain't never say anything else to me after that.

[Joe]

There was a rap, Nothing.

[Chad Johnson]

Like I said, I take anybody that went to Savannah State or know somebody went to Savannah State, Ask him about Sean and Bull in the ring of Oklahoma. I guarantee you won't even say, man. Man. Somebody such and such. I guarantee you won't find nobody to tell you they beat me. Why didn't play.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe. My favorite one. I wasn't good at bull in the ring, but when it's time, when it's

[Chad Johnson]

time for one on one, you.

[Joe]

You don't got to know. You ain't got to play off. Come on. Come on up here, Joe.

[Ocho]

Could nobody.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe. I take a rep, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And when my rep over somebody else will go, normally it's tj. TJ would go. I jump right back in line. I'll take. I take all the one on one rep, Joe. Hey, all right, man. It was. It was. It was so funny. It's like I. I enjoyed that. That was my only time where I got to work with the number ones. I got to work with the number one DBs, because obviously once you go to seven on seven and you go to 11v11, it's scout team. So I wanted. I wanted. I wanted my number one DBs that I would be facing, you know, Jonathan Joseph, Delton o', Neill, Tory James, you know.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, you know, Delta. I played with Delta. I played with Tory.

[Joe]

Oh, you did Remember Jeff Burris?

[Chad Johnson]

Remember Jeff from Notre Dame, right?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I didn't play. I didn't play with him. But Tori and Delta was with me in. In Denver.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, in Denver. Yeah. Yeah, Joe. So that. That was my time to get my best work in, Joe. Because I don't get to see them boys during practice. Yeah, yeah, man, I'm talking about. Joe. I still. If we.

[Chad Johnson]

If.

[Joe]

If. If goddamn one on one was ten minutes, Joe. I got about nine minutes worth of one on one.

[Chad Johnson]

I was like that in the league when I was a wide receiver. We had a d. We had a drill. So you had to, like, start. You know, you try to. So they had a dummy back there. So the game he's trying to start and he tried to push through you to touch the dummy. You know, it's like, man, who gonna go against sharp? So, you know, I'm a rookie, you know, everybody like that. I would go against the rookie.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm saying in my head, they think I'm so. So, you know, hey, I stalked and everything. I hold him off and, you know, I let him go. And the db, he touched the dummy. I say, nobody else will ever touch this dummy.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Ask. I tell you what. Go ask anybody. When I was a wide receiver, my Rookie year, when I. From that point on, did anybody ever touch that dummy again, will you.

[Ocho]

You would drag him to the ground.

[Chad Johnson]

You got to come through me to touch the dummy. You could do whatever you want to do. You can shake and do whatever you want. You just. I just can't let you touch that dummy because the dummy is the running back, right?

[Ocho]

You was doing security.

[Chad Johnson]

And then he got mad because what I did, he. He shouldn't have touched the dummy because I had done gave up. And so we went to run on one drill, I beat him. And the. You know what I used to hurt Ocho? When somebody clicked the back of your heel and it tie you up and you fall.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

He did that. It's on purpose.

[Joe]

You fail. You slapped him in the helmet.

[Chad Johnson]

Did I? I tried to slap his face mask off. Now, you did it on purpose. I know you did. I don't play like that. If you beat me, you beat me. I'm mad enough to say, good job. We'll get an opportunity to do it again. But I don't play that cheap stuff. Right.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, tripping. Me tripping because you got beat.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, it happens. You got to realize he approached, too. Yeah, Joe, he getting a check. Yeah, but don't. Don't. Don't do nothing dirty. Cause, hey, I ain't gonna stop. They end up getting one of us gotta go.

[Joe]

Oh, them some good days.

[Chad Johnson]

I agree with Troy, Ocho and Joe. We don't care. They don't call us their bodies like we once did. And you see a lot of these, Andrew. You see a lot of hamstrings. You see a lot of groins, you see a lot of calves, you see a lot of soft tissues because your body isn't used to that kind of torque under that kind of duress. You got to get your body used to it. It's just like anything. If you want to go out there in the sun, you just can't say, you know what, Ocho? Man, I'm just gonna go out there in the sun. That sun don't play. But we. I was used to that. I worked outside my. I've never had an inside job. Until I retired from league, all my jobs required me to be my. Have my black ass outside in the sun, in the cold, in the rain. It didn't matter. So I was used to. To conditions and elements. You ain't used to it and say, you know what? Yeah, I'm gonna go out there and I'm practice. It's gonna be 100 degrees. What? And when we in high school, Ocho? Y' all had two a days in high school.

[Joe]

Yes, yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, two days. I couldn't miss no work because you know it. I wasn't on those. I have no salary. Joe, you didn't show up to work. I told him, I said, hey, y' all want me to play? Y' all need to have practice before I got to go to work. I got to be to work at 7 o'. Clock. Guess what time we got practice? 5:15 or Shannon Sharp ain't coming. Cause Mayor Porter ain't gonna have me out here practicing.

[Ocho]

And.

[Chad Johnson]

And missed. And missed this 16 work.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

No, sir.

[Joe]

No, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

So you got a choice. We can practice at 5:15. Hey, I get you a good. Get you a good hour and a half, and I get to work at 7 or Shannon Sharp ain't coming. It's really that simple. I see y' all come when the season start. Man, why we gotta practice? Why we gotta practice at 5:15? Cause I'm him and you not. That's why.

[Ocho]

Straight up. Straight up.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, but there were the days, Ocho, that was like, shh.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, Ocho, think about it. You go to practice and then go to work.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that's. That's at a young age like that.

[Chad Johnson]

Lunch, then you go back to work, and then you got practice that evening.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson]

Man, please. The Eagles are holding off trading AJ Brown for now, according to that Diana Rossini, who reported that the Eagles had entertained serious conversations about dealing Brown with the Rams and the Patriots. If a trade were to happen, it would likely heat up closer to June 1, reported Racini. Ocho, Joe, can you see AJ and Puka and Devonte on the same team?

[Ocho]

AJ, Puka and Devonte.

[Chad Johnson]

Where they getting all this damn money from?

[Joe]

I don't think that's possible. I don't think that. I don't think that's possible.

[Ocho]

And somebody had to take a cut, wouldn't they, Ocho?

[Joe]

I mean, they probably let devonte Adams go. I. I saw some. I saw some. Some news earlier about devonte Adams.

[Chad Johnson]

Maybe possibly traded.

[Joe]

I mean, I'm assuming probably trading him probably. Maybe to Philly. No. Probably. Maybe to Philly.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

A.J. brown going to. To the Rams. I thought. I. I thought something would have happened where I thought a scenario would happen until the. The Patriots got romeo Dobbs, where A.J. brown would have been in New England, you know, with.

[Chad Johnson]

With Drake May with Romeo. He been there instead of Romeo.

[Joe]

With Coach instead of Romeo. Yeah, I thought it would remember Babel but obviously that didn't happen. Is there a scenario where that it could still happen? Maybe it's just not likely because they would have to give. Give up someone else as far as conversation goes. But I don't know.

[Ocho]

Hey, what is it? What the Eagles want? They want two first, A.J.

[Chad Johnson]

now, the Rams got, got two first, Ocho, because remember, they got Atlanta's first. The question is, do they want. They probably want Atlanta's first and not the Rams first because the Rams first is a little further down. So they're probably, probably what the hold up was. If I, if I'm having to guess and I'm just speculating here, chat is that they wanted the Falcons, which is I think a top 15. What. Where the Falcons pick. I think it's top 15. Ocho and Joe. But the Rams are on later down because remember, they got to the, they got to the, the championship game, so their pick is probably 30, 29, 30.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And it's like, nah, we want a top 15 pick. If, if I had to guess, yeah, 13th pick from the Falcons. See, I knew it was, I knew it was top 15. And I think that's probably what the e. That's probably because if they were like, okay, they're still entertaining and they've made it. And from what I've been reading is that they're standing firm on a first round pick. I'm thinking they want that first round pick to be as high as possible.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah, they gonna get it. They definitely gonna get it. I, I think if, if it happens, if AJ Happens to go to the Rams in any scenario, any case, I think Devonte Adams goes to the Eagles. That, that'd be.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, you know what? They had a first. They got the Rams. Remember, they traded the first for McDuffie, so now they got one first, which is the Falcons first.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

So I guess they're gonna look and see like, okay, do we really, do we really want to give up the 13th pick of the draft? And maybe, maybe as you get later and later, AJ AJ Ain't gonna be happy. Y' all been dangling me. I heard y' all been dangling me around out here like Red did over that building. My office hours are between 9 and 5.

[Joe]

Well, listen, any, any, anytime there's smoke, there's fire for sure. Anytime there's more. If, if certain people report things, I mean, there's a chance, you know, you, you gonna be gone most of the time. It, they, it, it, it, it don't, it don't come out of nowhere.

[Chad Johnson]

I'M not so sure and I don't know would be disappointed with that. Ocho, do you.

[Joe]

No. No. Absolutely.

[Ocho]

You don't think he'd be disappointed? Yeah.

[Joe]

This is what he wants. Obviously he wouldn't come out and say it.

[Ocho]

What's the chances that he. That he stays with the Eagles though?

[Chad Johnson]

It looked like it's good. But. But I don't see. My thing is I don't understand like what the Cowboys did with pick. I mean the Pittsburgh Steelers did with pick. Why would you trade him after the draft? I won't. I won't. Well, I guess the pick is the pick. But I'm thinking the later it gets, the more likely it is that he stays with the Eagles right now look, the draft is a month away. Can happen.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Then pick somebody on the board that we really like and ain't nobody we can get this guy. We'll see what it. We'll. We'll see what happens. But I, I can see a scenario. I don't think he's going to be totally disappointed if they were. If they were to. If they were to move on from it. As long as he goes to the. He definitely not if he goes to the Rams or the Patriots because he's going to a. He's going to two teams that throw the ball and got good quarterbacks.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Damn sure won't be disappointed to go to the rams with Sean McVeigh calling plays.

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