Nightcap Hour 2: Colton Hood JOINS Nightcap + Wemby WEIGHS IN on 65-Game RULE + How OFTEN do NBA STARS play on TV? + Anonymous NBA Player MVP Poll + Doc Rivers OUT as Head Coach

Summary

Nightcap Hour 2: Colton Hood Joins Nightcap, Wemby on the 65-Game Rule, How Often NBA Stars Play on TV, MVP Poll, & Doc Rivers Out

Date: April 13, 2026
Podcast: Nightcap (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe ("Unc"), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson ("Ocho")
Guest: Colton Hood (Tennessee CB, NFL Draft Prospect)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into:

• An in-depth interview with Colton Hood about his football journey, training, and family values.
• Victor Wembanyama’s views on the controversial NBA 65-game eligibility rule.
• Stark statistics on NBA star availability for televised games and the reasoning behind player participation rules.
• Insightful reactions to the results of the anonymous NBA player MVP poll.
• A discussion around Doc Rivers’ exit as Bucks head coach and the modern challenges of NBA leadership and player dynamics.

Tone: Unfiltered, playful banter, but steeped in genuine sports wisdom and experience.

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1. Colton Hood Joins Nightcap (03:22–18:29)

Key Topics:

• Hood’s college journey (Auburn → Colorado → Tennessee).
• His mindset, training, family, and what he brings to the NFL.
• Influence of his uncle, Rod Hood, and time under Coach Prime (Deion Sanders).
• Trash talk and friendly challenges with Ocho.

Highlights & Quotes:

• On adapting at multiple schools:
  "Just learning to be where my feet are and be able to gel with new people at each spot. I can take that into an NFL locker room." — Colton Hood (03:59)
• On his cornerback style:
  "I want to dictate to the receiver. Make them do what I want them to do. My press man ability is my biggest strength." — Colton Hood (05:58)
• Coach Prime’s impact:
  "The biggest thing I learned from Coach Prime was how important watching film could be for you... could take somebody's game from good to great." — Colton Hood (07:51)
• Physicality and confidence:
  "You gonna have to show me you better than me... I think I'm the best thing out there." — Colton Hood (12:47)
• On motivation:
  "My family... setting an example for my younger siblings. My oldest brother tore his ACL four times; he didn’t get to live his dream, so I want him to live it through me." — Colton Hood (13:14)
• Vision boards at age 8:
  "He made me and my brother make a vision board: 5, 10, 15, 20-year plan. Every day I see it on my wall." — Colton Hood (15:10)
• Humor/banter:
  Ocho challenges Colton to line up and run routes against him; Colton fires back, "You're not gonna out talk me. I'm tell you that right now." (11:27)

Notable Moments:

• Ocho and Colton set a date to see who’s faster on the field.
• Colton's modest plans for his first NFL check: “I do kind of want a new car…” (16:10)

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2. Wemby Speaks on the 65-Game Rule (22:44–28:25)

Key Topics:

• Wembanyama weighs the fairness of the 65-game eligibility for NBA awards.
• Impact of minute thresholds versus game thresholds.
• Charles Barkley’s fiery critique of players complaining about a rule they agreed to.

Highlights & Quotes:

• Wemby on thresholds:
  "It's good to have a threshold... In my opinion, 75% of the games would be logical—about 62 games.” (24:00)
• Barkley's rant:
  "Y’all vote for it... now you want to complain? If y’all wasn’t sitting on your ass half the time, sipping margaritas and stuff, they wouldn’t put the 65 games in. Shut the hell up." — Charles Barkley via Joe (24:31)
• Hosts on the rule’s impact:
  "A lot of our stars—it's hurting them... but rules are the rules." — Uncle Ocho (25:39)
  "Voting or not voting has consequences... you cannot purchase a lion and then get mad if it attacks you." — Joe (27:25)

Notable Moments:

• Ocho questions whether NBA would ever revisit the rule—consensus is it’s here to stay.
• Interesting side debate on how much the rule actually disadvantages modern superstars.

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3. How Often Do NBA Stars Actually Play on National TV? (36:07–39:47)

Key Topics:

• Tom Haberstroh’s data: NBA stars appear in less than 33% of national games.
• Financial pressure behind participation rules—networks want their money’s worth.

Highlights & Quotes:

• Joe on the business angle:
  "I go to a game, a national televised game, there's a great chance I'm not gonna see the stars… This is why the rule was implemented." (36:34)
• Hosts' reaction:
  "[Networks just paid] 7 billion... for 33% of the stars? They ain't never going back." — Joe (37:16)
• Related comparison:
  "This is why they protect the quarterbacks... They want the stars on the damn field." (37:19)

Notable Moments:

• Ocho notes you don’t find out stars are “out” until just hours before tip-off—“Hey, that's nasty work there.” (39:26)
• Uncle Ocho recounts personal frustration: “I went to two Hawks games... key guys didn't play. I could have stayed at home for this.” (39:28)

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4. MVP Player Poll & Awards Fallout (40:22–44:17)

Key Topics:

• Results of anonymous NBA player MVP voting:
  • 1st: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (SGA)
  • 2nd: Nikola Jokic
  • 3rd: Jalen Brown
  • Others: Cade Cunningham, Luka Doncic, Wemby, Kawhi, Giannis
• Analysis of award eligibility due to game threshold.

Highlights & Quotes:

• "Shay at the top, Jokic right under, then JB, K... OKC just overtook them once they slid a little bit." — Uncle Ocho (41:26)
• "Wemby's going to be top-3 MVP the next 8-10 years." — Uncle Ocho (42:06)
• Discussion on who gets bumped up in the All-NBA teams due to stars being ineligible—“Somebody's about to get a max." — Joe (44:23)

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5. Doc Rivers Out as Bucks Head Coach (49:08–55:40)

Key Topics:

• Rivers out after disconnect with players; Bucks’ third coach in as many years.
• Player-Coach relationships today vs. past; "relatability" and earning respect.
• Speculation about Giannis’ future in Milwaukee.

Highlights & Quotes:

• On Docs’s approach:
  "I heard Doc gloated about his accolades and the things that he's done… man, they ain't trying to hear none of that." — Uncle Ocho (49:51)
• Joe: “Doc, I remember Doc at Marquette… these players ain't standing there." (50:17)
• Ocho: "They were 30 and 13, and you fired the coach during a winning season..." (50:42)
• Uncle Ocho: "If Doc getting up out of there, lets me know Giannis will be on the move." (50:56)
• Joe, on the Miami rumor: "You gonna have to give up Tyler Herro and [others]… that's at the minimum." (52:40)

Generational Theme:

• "You got to be relatable to these players and they got to respect you… if you can't relate, he hitting the portal." — Uncle Ocho (55:41)

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6. Parenting, Motivation, and "Old School" Work Ethic (54:59–73:37)

Key Topics:

• Stories about parenting, discipline, and motivating their own children.
• Vision boards, hard work, and generational shifts in attitudes.
• The pitfalls of trying to relive your dreams through your kids, and the importance of self-motivation.

Highlights & Quotes:

• On chore discipline and tough love:
  "I'm only gonna do what's in the best interest of you. I've been your age. You've never been mine." — Joe (58:52)
• "If your daddy stopped working tomorrow, what am I gonna do?... I want each of you to write down, what am I gonna do? Daddy, you don't do nothing. You don't like to go out, all you want to do is work." — Joe (70:00)
• On driving self-motivation:
  "I just want what's best for you, not what's best for Shannon. I'm the wind behind your back." — Joe (66:07)

Memorable Banter:
Ocho: "This house got room for one lazy mofo… and that's me!" (69:39)
Joe: "I ain't lazy, thank you, ain't nobody finna sit up here and swing their feet on me. No." (69:41)

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7. Giannis Trade & Milwaukee’s Next Move (75:59–80:34)

Key Topics:

• Giannis publicly hints at his wife’s control over his next career move ("I don't wear the pants in my relationship… find her on social media. Ask her. Whatever she says, I do.") (76:00)
• Hosts break down the psychology:
  • Is Giannis shifting blame to others to avoid fan backlash?
  • Framed against recent NBA player trades.

Highlights & Quotes:

• "So will y’ all blame my wife because she wanted to leave… I ain't got nothing to do with me." — Joe (77:22)
• "You gotta embrace that villain role." — Ocho (79:07)
• "She gonna go where you go… this notion that the agent don’t work at the behest of you? Come on, man." — Joe (79:25)
• On Bucks' future: "If I’m Milwaukee, we thank him for his services… but at the end of the day, we're going to take the best deal for the Milwaukee Bucks." — Joe (80:15)

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Notable Quotes & Banter Recap

• On Work Ethic (OCD edition):
  "I just have that obsessive personality… every night before bed, I had to wipe down the countertop… all the napkins facing out." — Joe (73:40)
• On Changing Times:
  "It's a different time now. You can't talk to these kids like you once could." — Joe (55:00)
• On Being Ex-Players/Parents:
  "Man, playing football was MY dream… Now what do you want to do so I can get behind you?" — Ocho (67:30)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Colton Hood Interview: 03:22 – 18:29
• Wemby on 65-Game Rule & Reaction: 22:44 – 28:25
• NBA Stars TV Availability: 36:07 – 39:47
• MVP Player Poll Discussion: 40:22 – 44:17
• Doc Rivers, Coaching, and Player Dynamics: 49:08 – 55:40
• Parenting & Motivation Stories: 54:59 – 73:37
• Giannis Trade Saga: 75:59 – 80:34

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Episode Takeaway

This episode blends personal journeys and lighthearted banter with sharp takes on the NBA’s business, modern pro athlete culture, and what it takes—whether on the field, on national TV, or raising the next generation—to be a star. Listeners get not just “takes” but a sense of the lived experience behind them—from Colton Hood’s grind to Ocho and Unc’s lessons for today’s athletes, parents, and fans.

Transcript

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[Ocho]

What's up? Why?

[Colton Hood]

Where you at? I'm in. I'm in Kansas City right now.

[Joe]

Yeah, okay.

[Colton Hood]

Okay. Yeah. What's up? What's going on?

[Joe]

We got a time to welcome our very special guest. He's a cornerback at the University of Tennessee, a 20, 25 second team all SEC pick, a projected first round pick, Colton Hood. Colton, how you doing, bro?

[Colton Hood]

Not me.

[Ocho]

I'm living.

[Joe]

So, man, thanks for joining us.

[Colton Hood]

What's going on?

[Joe]

From Alabama, from Auburn to Colorado to Tennessee, what did you learn at each stop along the way that prepared you for this moment?

[Colton Hood]

I would say just, you know, just how to be where your feet are. You know what I'm saying? Each. Each spot was, you know, different in their own ways. But just learning to be where my feet are and just, you know, be able to jail with new people at each spot, you know, definitely taught me that. And, you know, I feel like I can take that, you know, into an NFL locker room, you know, being able to go in there, be myself, you know what I'm saying, and be able to gel with my teammates. So,

[Ocho]

hey, speaking of NFL locker room, what has the process been like? Obviously, the schools that you've been at and learning from different coaches, learning from different players, getting insight, watching NFL players that you knew you might mold your game after. What has the process been like so far?

[Colton Hood]

I would say it's been like a dream come true. You know, like as a little kid, you dream of, you know, being in this position. So it's been a dream come true. Being able to, you know, go to the different, different teams and see all. See all the different places. So it's been a dream come true. And, you know, I'm definitely excited for draft night for sure.

[Uncle Ocho]

T. Hood, what's Going on, man. Tell me a little something about your game. Tell me about yourself, who you model your game after. Guys you enjoy watching, you know, as you was growing up. Tell me a little.

[Colton Hood]

Yeah, so, you know, my uncle played in the league. His name, Rod Hood. He played nine seasons, and we got done. He was Patrick Peterson's personal trainer. So, you know, I got to grow up. Grow up watching him a lot around him, even seeing, like, a lot of his, you know, all 22 stuff. So Patrick Peterson is a really big one, someone I looked up to try to model my game after, you know, his patience at press, you know, his ball tracking ability, returnability as well, you know what I'm saying? So definitely that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay. That's what's up.

[Ocho]

Hey, when it comes. I want to just ask. I'm. I'm a huge fan of DB play, even though obviously I play receiver. But if you had to talk about your best asset, your best attribute, your best strength when it comes to playing defensive back, what would it be? Man to man, off ball skills, technique?

[Colton Hood]

I mean, yeah, I would definitely say, like, my technique. And when I'm playing man to man, you know, a lot. You see a lot of guys backing up when they're pressing, you know, allowing the receiver to dictate to them. I'm kind of like the opposite. You know, I want to dictate to what. To the receiver. You know what I'm saying? Make them do what I want them to do. You know what I'm saying? That type of thing. So I say definitely my press man ability would definitely be, I'll say, my biggest strength. So, yeah, I remember seeing you. I remember seeing you up at Colorado a couple. Couple times. You know what I'm saying? And we gotta line it up, bro. I'll be seeing you talking that up.

[Joe]

Hold on. That's what I'm talking about. Hold on. Hey, hey, hey.

[Ocho]

Let me.

[Joe]

Let me tell you something.

[Ocho]

Let me tell you something. Let me tell you. Hey, I think Monica, who. Who got that song? Aj, But Ain't nothing but a number.

[Uncle Ocho]

Aaliyah.

[Joe]

Aaliyah.

[Ocho]

Okay, Aaliyah. But listen to.

[Uncle Ocho]

See here.

[Ocho]

Let me tell you something real quick. Right before you get drafted, if you want to get some work in. My feet didn't age.

[Colton Hood]

I did.

[Ocho]

So if you want some of this work, we can go. Hey, this ain't what you want.

[Joe]

Hey, play that song. Welcome to.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So you. You leave the sec, you go to Colorado, and then you return to the. You return to Tennessee, back to the SEC and your time with the Colorado and Coach Prime. What. Because that's what. Coach Crime was the best DB to ever play the game. And so I'm sure that you. You took something. What. What. What did Coach prime teach you about how to play this position? Obviously, it's like, look, the thing that you can't do with a corner, and we see a lot of corners. Nocho and I was talking about this, is that they panic. That's the thing. And you get a pass interference when all you have to do is just turn around. But they panic because they feel they're beat and they don't trust their instincts. They don't trust their. Their technique. So what was some of the things. Some of the. The nuggets that Coach Prime.

[Colton Hood]

I think honestly the biggest thing I learned from Coach prime was just like, how important watching film could be for you, you know what I'm saying? Like, I think he would harp on, you know, film wise, you know what I'm saying? And I would watch film before, but, like, the intent that he taught it to us and how to watch it, you know what I'm saying? I think could definitely take somebody's game from being good to being great, you know what I'm saying? And I think that was the best.

[Ocho]

The.

[Colton Hood]

The biggest thing I would say that I learned from him for sure.

[Joe]

You know, athletic. I mean, you tell you tested off the charts. How did you think that changed the perception of you coming out because of what you were able to do it?

[Colton Hood]

Yeah, I think, you know, I think a lot of people were, I guess, doubting, you know, my speed, my, you know, athleticism, things like that. But, you know, I was always taught, like, if you're a DB and you run a full speed and that's how 10 you beat, you know what I'm saying? So I guess kind of. That's kind of why.

[Ocho]

Hey, say that again.

[Colton Hood]

So if you're a DB and you know, you run a full speed at some point, then you.

[Joe]

You.

[Colton Hood]

Nine times out of ten, you be so, you know, like, I guess on tape, people don't really see me running full speed a lot. I'm not beat a lot of this time. So, you know, I got to go out there and show that at my pro day and my under combine. So I think that was the biggest thing.

[Joe]

Yeah, because when you look at your speed, I mean, you're 4:4, which is plenty fast enough, the 40 and a half inch vertical and the 10 and a half long jump. So it lets me know that you're explosive.

[Colton Hood]

You dropped 40.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Colton Hood]

Yeah, well, I did a little bit in high school, but baseball is my main. My main second sport.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay.

[Joe]

Oh, so you. You are.

[Colton Hood]

Yeah, yeah, that was my favorite, bro. That was my favorite player growing up, bro. I swear. Yeah, I was left handed, too.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey. See who you played?

[Ocho]

Four.

[Uncle Ocho]

You played four sports in high school?

[Colton Hood]

Yeah, I played football, baseball, basketball, track.

[Joe]

What you running? Track.

[Colton Hood]

I just did the four by one. I only did it my senior year, though, because. Because, you know, this date. Yeah, they the same time. And baseball season. Track, they the same time. But then like, so, like, we got knocked out of the playoffs early in baseball my senior year, and so the track coach was like, somebody got hurt and they needed me to come run. And so shoot, I just ran the last leg on the four by one.

[Joe]

What was y'.

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[Joe]

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[Joe]

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[Colton Hood]

I can't remember the exact time, but we got runner up in state, so we did pretty good.

[Joe]

Where you from?

[Colton Hood]

Georgia.

[Joe]

Yeah. Okay.

[Colton Hood]

Well, I went to Eagles land in Christian. The private school?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, man, Georgia is a melted. I'm talking about, man. They got so much talent running.

[Colton Hood]

Yeah, yeah, man. I'll be trying to tell for us, man. Georgia boys, shoot, we different.

[Joe]

Yeah, you hear that, Ocho? Different. We different.

[Ocho]

I know we gonna see when we lace.

[Colton Hood]

Come on, bro. I mean you. But this is the thing though. You don't got my number. You don't got me on Instagram. You feel me? So I feel like you just talking, you know what I'm saying? You got. Go ahead,

[Ocho]

think about this. Hey, we have. We have your information.

[Colton Hood]

That's how. Okay, so that's what I'm saying though. Let's get it. Let's get it lined up. You know what I'm saying?

[Ocho]

I don't even you in Kansas City. When you back in Atlanta?

[Joe]

Well, I'm gonna be back home.

[Colton Hood]

I'll be back home.

[Joe]

What?

[Colton Hood]

Wednesday? I'll be back home Wednesday.

[Ocho]

Okay, Wednesday. Matter of fact, I don't even have nothing to do this week. I'm already in shape because I play soccer. So if you need me to come to Atlanta.

[Joe]

Come on.

[Colton Hood]

Come to Atlanta.

[Ocho]

You got a cameraman?

[Colton Hood]

You got a camera? Yeah, I got a cameraman.

[Ocho]

Okay. Okay.

[Colton Hood]

Because you're not gonna out talk me. I'm tell you that right now.

[Joe]

That's what I do. Hey, just put. Hey, just put them. Hey, hey. I'm putting them hands on his chest. That don't do to him.

[Colton Hood]

Oh, I'm putting hands in his chest.

[Joe]

Talking about.

[Colton Hood]

Come on.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, listen. Hey, hey. Brotherhood on all 85 of my kids. Ain't nobody ever touched me off the line of scrimmage. I live for that. What we talk about. Listen, I ain't taking no lie. I got my uniform at the dry cleaners every Sunday with a crease in it for a reason.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, man.

[Colton Hood]

All right. I ain't gonna do too much more talking. I told you what it is, what it ain't. You feel me, right? We just gotta lace it up.

[Ocho]

Hold on.

[Joe]

And you started.

[Ocho]

You started to talk.

[Joe]

You.

[Ocho]

You talking to a real trash.

[Joe]

But physicality, you. You mentioned, like, you like to press. Physicality is kind of what you're known for. And I think the thing is, is that. Look, a lot of people don't want to be physical anymore because they're afraid of the initial surge of the wide receiver. These guys are really good. They got. I mean, you look at it, you have to be dealing with Chase and Puka Nakua and JSN and Justin Jefferson. These guys are really, really good. But if you are what you believe, you are. You. You can't let the name dictate how you play. A lot of times, guys dictate. Let that. Let the name dictate the type of coverage. Man. Man, I. No, no, no, no, no, no. You gotta have that fear. Regardless of who you go up against, you gotta believe.

[Colton Hood]

Yeah. Like, I ain't gonna lie. You gonna have to show me you better than me. I'm saying, like. Like, you feel me? I'm. If I'm going out there, I'm not. You feel me? I'm not thinking nobody. I'm. I think I'm the best thing out there. You know what I'm saying? You're gonna have to show me. Like, my first ever start was against Terrell McMillan. He had to show me, and he ain't show me, so.

[Joe]

I like that.

[Ocho]

I like it.

[Joe]

Through this whole process, what's been your biggest motivation?

[Colton Hood]

I would definitely say, like, my family, my parents, they sacrificed a lot for me. You know, just growing up, just waking me up early in the morning, taking me to the hills. My dad would do that all the time. My mom, she. She worked hard. She worked, but she's a doctor, so she'd be up. Obviously, you're up, like, 3am doing charts and stuff like that. So definitely them. Like, I want to, you know, make life easier for them. You know, I think about them all the time. And then I would say my Siblings, too. I got seven siblings. I got older brothers, three older brothers, and then five younger siblings, two younger sisters. Three. Two younger sisters. Oh, man. Four on younger, Some younger siblings. I have two younger sisters, two younger brothers. So this is dumb. For real, like, setting an example for my younger siblings. And then, you know, my oldest brother, he told us he told his ACL four times, so he didn't really get to live his dream. So I definitely want to, you know, go out there and, you know, be able to allow him to live his dream vicariously through me, for sure.

[Joe]

Man, that's, that's, that's, that's unbelievable, man. Check this out. You say your brother tore his ACL four times. Did they find out what the imbalance was? Because it has to be an imbalance for you to tear your ac.

[Colton Hood]

Yeah, I think it was, Was it

[Joe]

whether the mechanics was his hips, was his hips on the line, his knees, the, his quads too dominant, hamstrings too weak, two hamstrings too dominant, quads too weak? Did they find out what was wrong? What was causing it?

[Colton Hood]

I don't really know exactly. I know that, like, I know that after the first time he did his surgery and he tried to come back too fast, and that caused the second time. And then like once you get it like twice and it's just like, you know what I'm saying? Everything's kind of out of whack, you know what I'm saying? So

[Joe]

did they use a cadaver or did they partially take the patella?

[Colton Hood]

I, I don't know. None of that. I, I don't know.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay. I don't know.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

Check this out.

[Joe]

Excuse me.

[Uncle Ocho]

I heard you talk about your family, your pops. I, I, I read that, you know, he made you write down your goals at a young age. How, how old were you when you started doing?

[Colton Hood]

I was like, shoot, I was like 8 years old, I think. Yeah, I was like 8 years old. Me and my, he made me and my brother, like, make a vision board with like 5 years, 5 year plan, 10 year plan, 15 year plan, and 20 year plan.

[Uncle Ocho]

And so how often, how often, how often did you look at.

[Colton Hood]

Oh, it was, it was in my bedroom, in my wall. So it was like every day I see it like, it was in, like on the wall. It's like a big poster board. So it's like, you know, like those porcelain boys people take in from, like, school, like a big poster. Each part of the section had like, my five year plan was here, 10 year, 15 year, 20 year and every day I woke up, I'll see it, so.

[Uncle Ocho]

And that's dope, bro.

[Joe]

That's update.

[Uncle Ocho]

That thing I got you.

[Ocho]

I'm gonna steal the idea. I'm gonna steal the idea for. For my younger kids. I like that. That 5, 10 year, 15 year.

[Joe]

I like that you decided, like, when you get that first. When you get that first big check, what you. What do you want to buy? What do you want to do?

[Colton Hood]

Shoot, I ain't gonna lie. I'm pretty modest. I would say. Like, I'm not really a big, I guess, spender. I do kind of want a new car, though. So if anything, I'll probably get a new car.

[Joe]

What you getting? What you get?

[Colton Hood]

I don't even. I don't even know yet, to be honest. Like, I'm. I'm kind of all over. I don't know if I want to bins. I don't know. I don't know what I want, to be honest.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm saying, you had. You got a need for speed.

[Colton Hood]

Nah, I'm not really. I like to be smooth. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

Like, cool.

[Colton Hood]

Just chilling.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

When you was growing up, when you was growing up, say, man, if I ever get some money, what was the first car that you said, man, if I ever get some money, well, I'm

[Colton Hood]

not gonna be able to get the car that I said, like, off my first contract, but the car out the first contract, though.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hold on.

[Joe]

You said something like, boo. Yeah, yeah, I know you said, yeah,

[Ocho]

we get that off the contract. Hey, listen.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Ocho]

Hey, who. Yeah, I got a Bugatti. I think I got a Bugatti. At least one for a year. I think I was in year seven, I think maybe year 708, if I'm not mistaken.

[Joe]

At least.

[Ocho]

At least one. Six months. Did it for six months. And I think I got. Fine. I tweeted on the sideline in the middle of the game, I got hit. I came to the sideline and I tweeted that, it's okay, guys. I'm okay. And the NFL fired me, like 30 grand for that. And that was one of my payments. And that at that point when the season ended, I sent that. I sent that back because, hey, when talk about an experience and doing something one time just to be able to say, I did it.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Not getting caught up in the lifestyle, in the image of having to keep it. Great.

[Colton Hood]

For sure.

[Joe]

Wow, man. Well, congratulations. Tell your family I said hello. Congratulations on all your success. Remember, now you get into the NFL, that's not the end.

[Uncle Ocho]

I got you.

[Colton Hood]

This is the beginning. Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. So congratulations. One Georgia boy.

[Colton Hood]

Appreciate you.

[Joe]

Hey, keep doing what you do. Keep making sure.

[Colton Hood]

Thank you. Hey, Oto, hit my phone. Hit my phone, bro.

[Ocho]

You. You know the saying, I get open in the phone.

[Colton Hood]

All. All right.

[Joe]

Hey, make sure you play the song. Welcome. I got you. Appreciate you, bro.

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[Joe]

Wemby weighed in on the 65 game rule. Let's take a listen what Wemby had to say about this rule.

[NBA Analyst]

If those three aren't, I mean especially Kate and Luka, if they aren't in a season awards for sure, it's not going to reflect their impact on a season, but at the same Time. In my opinion, it's good to have a threshold, you know, a limit. Where do we need to put it? I don't know. It's a good question. Let me ask you a question, like, what percentage of the season right now without calculating how many? Six. What percent of the season do you think should be the limit?

[Julian Edelman]

75, 80.

[Joe]

75.

[NBA Analyst]

80. Okay.

[Joe]

Two thirds.

[NBA Analyst]

Two thirds. Okay.

[Joe]

70 academic.

[Colton Hood]

70 passing.

[NBA Analyst]

You don't think you'd be.

[Joe]

Limit.

[NBA Analyst]

Yeah, that's a. That's a. I think that's a good way to put it. If a guy. If it. Because if a guy plays 50 games, 35 minutes a game, that's 50 times 35, that's 1750. Right? Is that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Am I right?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[NBA Analyst]

If a guy plays 75 games at 20 minutes, it's.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hold on.

[NBA Analyst]

It's 1500. So, you know, it's not. I mean, it's. It's a good view, in my opinion, to not have a limit. It's a. It's one opinion. 75% of the games, in my opinion, would be a logical thing. And that would be 61.5 games. Right. So 62 games.

[Joe]

When you look at it, Lucas played 22:89 minutes. He's not eligible. Cade Cunningham has played 21:50 minutes. He's not eligible. Ant man has played 21:37 minutes. He's not eligible. Wimby has played 18:66 minutes. He's eligible. Charles Barkley goes off on players complaining about the 65 game rule. I don't think 65 games is a lot to ask. Shut the hell up. Y' all vote for it. And collective bargaining. And now you want to complain? If y' all wasn't sitting on your ass half the time, sipping margaritas and stuff, they wouldn't put the 65 games in. Shut the hell up.

[Uncle Ocho]

He got. Hey, look, Charles got a valuable point, fellas, because, yes, the collective bargaining agreement, the. The players had to, you know, they had to vote in on that. This is. This is what they. This is what we, as the players, asked for. So they gotta hold. They gotta hold it up, bro. They gotta. Because, look, they not going back to, you know, to where it's not a. A game limit. It's always gonna be a game limit now.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know, because it's gonna save some of these teams some money.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know what I mean? And it's just unfortunate that, you know, a lot of our stars is hurting them. You know what I mean? It ain't. And. And some of these guys, man, you know, they they will be playing if they could. I think that's the most disheartening thing and that's why it's so much drawback. But I mean rules are the rules, fellas.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it's, it's messed up. And hey Joe, when you say, you say the players voted on it, I'm sure they have one person that's appointed that represents all the players in general.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Were all the players aware exactly what would happen if they voted on this? Yep, I'm sure they all were. And unfortunately it's most of this. Most of the superstars who are now inevitable, who are not able to get awards, who are not able to be eligible for supermax contracts, who now it's affecting. Do you think at any point the NBA in, in, in good service will go back being that they have the power to do so if and change the rules? I don't, you know, they can't do that if they wanted to.

[Joe]

You got to think about it. OO think about it. I remember, I'm old enough to remember when the actual drinking age was 18. You could actually drink at 18. O' yes sir. You could buy alcohol at 18. Give them what they know. Now you think they ever going back to that? Oo yeah.

[Ocho]

Even, even what? They see some of the star players suffering right now?

[Joe]

No.

[Ocho]

The game has changed. When Barkley played, the game has changed. When Shaq played, the game has changed. Players are bigger, faster, stronger. They're getting up and down the court at a much higher rate, a much higher volume. And they're having injuries. They're sustaining injuries for a reason.

[Joe]

Voting or not voting has consequences. Ah, don't get to complain about something that you voted for and it turns around and bites you in the butt. So you cannot purchase a lion and they get mad if it attacks you.

[NBA Analyst]

Right.

[Joe]

You know, there's 82 games in the regular season. The threshold that you must meet in order to be eligible for post season awards is 65. Yes sir. Now a rule that you voted on come backs to bite you. It's unfair. Oh, it wasn't unfair if you didn't think it was going to impact you. Or was it when it wasn't impacting you? You see? Yeah. Sometimes things don't start to bother us until they're on our porch. You don't realize how bad something smell until the aroma, the stench is in your home and you're like, damn, I'll get in a mug up in here. Yeah, I've been dealing with it.

[Ocho]

You know another thing, Joe, what's that first? You would know. You would know better than I would. I'm not. I'm sure uncle probably know, too. What percentage of NBA players, when the season's over, they're still active, still actively just playing pickleball like they do with that gym. What's the famous gym everybody go to in New York?

[Joe]

The Summit. In New York?

[Ocho]

Yeah, the Summit. How many of them continuously stay active no matter what?

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, I think. I think a lot of the top guys, like the main guys who play a buckle the minutes, they take a little time off. What? I mean, a little time. It may be a couple weeks. But I'm gonna be honest, man. When I was playing Uncle Ocho, I'm talking about even in the years early in my career when I was playing 30, 35 minutes, bro, I probably didn't take no more than a week off because I enjoy playing a game. Like, you know, in the summer months is when I go back home. We had a summer league back home in Little Rock that I used to love playing in. So I was always active, bro. And I think I. I think nowadays we have so many. We're distracted by so much that the guys don't really play as much no more. Yeah, they'll go to the gym and work out with a trainer, get up a few shots. But I'm talking about that bumping ground.

[Joe]

You talk about, like 505.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's what I'm talking about. Like.

[Joe]

Yeah, you talking about runs.

[Uncle Ocho]

When I was coming up, that's all we did was run. Nobody had no trainers, bro. Everybody.

[Joe]

You, you, you, you hoop.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know what I mean? You may have a guy who had worked you out in the weight room or something, but we hoop. That's how we got better. Nowadays, guys don't really hoop. They just train, train, train, and then they hoop. When the season.

[Ocho]

Yeah, and that's a good thing, too. I like that Joe just said that. Right now, basketball, football is completely different. Now. We trained during the off season, but then, I mean. I mean, you. You play. You. How do I say this and say it the right way? So basketball, everyone, you have 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. At what point do you work on your pacific craft and prove your game? Specifically if all you do is play five on five? You get what. You get what I'm saying?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. I think that that's. That's up to the player and how much they want to. You know, how good they want to be.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know, when. When you really love something, man, you know, you. You'll put your all into it and you'll find ways to get better when you're not around everybody else. Like, I always, you know, I tell my son all the time, bro, like, you're not going to get better than everybody by just going, getting better at practice. It's going to be the things that you do by yourself alone when nobody's watching. Are you out there, you doing your push ups? Are you getting extra shots up? You know, it's things like that. And I'm not sure a lot of guys do that, bro. They just, they, they wait to practice to try and get better and that shit just not enough.

[Joe]

Yeah, no, I think and Ocho, what we tried to do is that we took what we had trained in the off season and try to implement it in practice.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, okay.

[Joe]

I worked on this. Yeah, okay. The steps that I took. And so now I got to be able to implement that because instead of running this, doing this stuff on air, I got a guy in front of me.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I got a guy putting hands on me. I got an internal clock like, damn, this taking too long up. So I got, I got to speed it up. So Joe is saying, like, look, what. Okay, it's fine to have a trainer, but you need to go work what you train what you worked on. Go implement that on the five. On five.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

The spots that you shot at. Okay. Can you, can you get those, can you get to that spot in a five on five and hit those shots? One here, two, three, four, five, six. You. That's what you need to work on. But it seemed like, Joe, if I, if I'm great, like all you guys do is just like work on that and then wait till the whole season. They ain't really doing run. I don't know. I still think they have runs because I think ucla, that where the guys used to have a lot in California, that, that place be jam packed.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And every once in a while you see somebody will post something where they got a lot of NBA, NBA guys and they're getting runs in and it's, you know, some big names up in there, but for the most part, like I said, all that, all that stuff, you got to be able to implement it. Yeah, yeah. You practicing it, then you can't. What good is practicing something if you can't implement it in the game? What the hell you practicing it for?

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Ocho]

I'm thinking about players, obviously, Joe, that are, that are, that are really skillful or want to continue to add tools to their bag. Yeah, add tools to their bag. Not just out there doing stuff that's not going to work in the game.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

When I. When I train, Joe, I train to do things at game speed and game tempo that I'm gonna have to do when the bullets are flying for real.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right?

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Ocho]

Doing no bull drive just to be doing no bull drive.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right, right. And you gotta look at it, you

[Joe]

know, the more you play, you get

[Uncle Ocho]

that live action to read and react.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

Versus you being everybody out there by yourself here, running. Running these goals and slants and all that. Hell, ain't nobody out there to touch you. It's same thing with basketball. It's like, man, I could do all these dripping drills and shooting drills, but if I ain't got nobody with a hand up or pushing me, coming off

[Joe]

the pick, reaching for the ball.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, you got. You gotta have all that, man. You got to implement all that. You. That's why I say you can train, but you definitely got to play because you need the competition. You know what I mean? You need to bump and grind. You got to have that, bro. That's how you get better. Because when you get in between them lines, similar to like a quarterback, when he say height, he has to read and react. Same thing with basketball. If I'm coming up the court, I gotta be able to read and react. You know what I mean? When a guy make a mistake, and if you hadn't been playing a lot of basketball, a lot of competitive hoops, then it's hard to kind of have those instincts right away, you know what I mean?

[Joe]

Because in practice, when we run Rouse, Joe Ocho, you know this. There's got to be a fear. You run a sled that life safety. Whoa. Okay, okay, okay. Just so you know out there.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So you got. Hey, you running. You running the route. You run a. Let's just say you run a salad cross. It's zone, and you catch the ball and turn up, and here come that middle. Here come that bike linebacker. Oh, boy, that would have hurt right there. That would really would have hurt. So you got to have this. So you have to know. And so you get a sense of like. Okay, boom, boom. Okay, this coverage, this is what the coverage. I thought it was. Where am I? All that going through your head, man. Hey, that safety coming down, if it's lurk already, what we call it lurk, they call it robber. Now, Ocho, we called it lurk because he was lurking around to blow somebody ass up. They call it robbing.

[Uncle Ocho]

Now.

[Joe]

I was like, okay, I ran this shell across, probably the first guy that's gonna hit me because he see me going across the route, it's probably gonna be that damn safety because he buzzing down, he coming. Yeah. The only thing that's gonna save me if he happens to get caught up with the crosser, that's gonna end that. That's. He's gonna see crossing first, and maybe he intercepts that takes that guy. And now I'm here. But yeah, I'm a. I'm a firm believer. I. I like doing stuff. Man. You feel all fast, like, set it down, Man. You ain't doing none of that stuff in the game.

[Ocho]

Funny thing about it. Hey, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

What's up?

[Ocho]

I did do my training by myself especially, you know, my lacone drills and my little stuff like that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

100 miles an hour, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Miles an hour. I did it so much to a point where I don't care how many times I mess up, I'm going to move all by myself doing these cone drills as if I'm really running around.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I got myself and. And got my body implemented to a point, Joe. I could run full speed and stop on a dime, Joe. And I was able to do it so much, and it done it so much in cone drills in tight situations that weren't even realistic to. To being in the game.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Got in the game and had to run 15 or 20 yards. I'm still able to be going full speed and get up out that thing in two steps.

[Joe]

Here's the problem that they're running against Ocho and Joe against the 65 games. Tom Haberstrough did a study and found that nationally televised games, only 33% of the time the viewers are seeing the star players. There it is on your screen. How often do they see. How often do all NBA stars on a nationally televised game actually play? 37, 32.7% of the time. So less than 33% of the time. This is why the rule was implemented.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

Think about the money that Amazon and Peacock and ESPN and all these networks just spent. And look what you got, Ojo. 33% of the time, the stars. So I go to a game, a national televised game, there's a great chance I'm not gonna see the stars. Yep.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

This is why. So you mean to tell me I just gave 7 billion. I'm paying collectively, Peacock and Amazon and me, ESPN Prime. You mean to tell me for 7 billion, this is what I'm getting? Yeah.

[Ocho]

When you. When you see it broken down like that, it's. It's understandable now.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

They never going back.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, sir.

[Joe]

It ain't never going back. Too much, Ocho, if you think about it. This is why they protect the quarterbacks. This is why they put all those rules. This is why they the defenseless receiver. Cause they want the stars on the damn field. Yeah, they love football, but they love football better when Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, and all the big name guys are playing. Man, ain't nobody, man. Come on, man. Man, nobody come to see you, Otis.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, they not going back, bro. They going to keep this. They gonna keep this in.

[Joe]

Y' all can say what y' all want to put a skirt on them, put flags on them. It ain't never going back. You never gonna be able to punish the quarterback like you once could. You not gonna be able to land on him. You're not gonna be able to put your helmet in his chest. You not gonna be able to hit it below his knee. You got this area in which you can hit the quarterback from his thigh pads to the top of his letters. But you better hit it with your shoulder pad and land on the side of him. Because if you put your helmet right there, it's a. Yeah, we're gonna need 15. So that's that. That's where they are now, Ocho. Go ahead.

[Ocho]

Now, I'm gonna say. And the fan. Add the fan of that, too, now.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, for sure. Oh, yeah, man. You hit a quarterback, and the bigger the name, the quarterback. Boy, you. You must rather hurt my homeboy. One of the top quarterbacks. So they're paying. So, I mean, think about what the tickets cost you, like, oh, man. Oh, I'm gonna see this, man. Can't wait to see such and such play. The haircut. Somebody here come. They come out the locker room like, damn, he ain't even in uniform, so I know he not playing tonight.

[Ocho]

Hey, don't the NBA have the injury report like the NFL does and let you know who's playing and who's not?

[NBA Analyst]

Damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

You get that here?

[Joe]

You get that like a couple hours before the game. You don't buy the ticket.

[Ocho]

Hey, that's nasty work there.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, listen.

[Joe]

And they ain't giving no refund.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, listen, that happened to me earlier in this season, like, the first two weeks of the season. I went to, like, two Hawks games and Jalen Johnson didn't play. It was a lot. Some key guys didn't play. I'm like, damn, I could have stayed at home for this here, like, straight up, you know?

[Joe]

What?

[Uncle Ocho]

I mean, yeah, I. I know exactly what you're talking about.

[Joe]

Yeah. Chuck also reacted to Wimby doing the math in his head for the 60 on the 65 game rule. What we need to do is send all these kids, American badass American kids over to France to go to school. That's the first thing we need to do. All these dummy kids over here, we need to send their ass to France.

[Uncle Ocho]

Who said this?

[Joe]

Chuck? Charles Barkley.

[Ocho]

Hey, Chuck. Funny man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, friends putting them in the league, boy.

[Joe]

An anonymous NBA player vote poll voted 159 players voted MVP. Shea Jokic was second. Jalen Brown was third. Cade Cunningham fourth. Luca was fifth. Wimby at Kawhi Giannis. Joe, did this surprise you?

[Uncle Ocho]

No, it don't surprise me. It don't surprise me, not one bit. Shay at the top. YOK is right under then JB K. I think K percentage would have been a lot higher had he not missed the significant time that he missed, considering the fact that at the time that he was playing, I think they were the number one team in the league at that, at that time, I think they had the best record, if I ain't mistaken. And OKC just kind of overtook them once, you know, they, they started sliding a little bit. But I, I don't have no problem with this. I got, I picked Shay. I picked Shay to win mvp. Hey, and just because the players voted this, this anonymous player poll, hell, this still may not, this still may not be the mvp.

[Joe]

Right.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know, I mean, he could potentially. Jokic could potentially still win,

[Joe]

man. Jay, I mean, Jalen Brown, I mean, for him to have the Celtics in

[Uncle Ocho]

the position that they had them in,

[Joe]

given what they had lost and given what was out.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, I know he was, he was special the entire season. I give him that.

[Joe]

Damn. The fans don't really think a whole lot of Wimby. And you seen lately, Wimby has been moving up the charts, allegedly. I mean the way they regular and the charts about the MVP. Hell, Wimpy's in the top five, man, top three, top four.

[Uncle Ocho]

Over the next eight to 10 years, he gonna probably be in the top three area.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Outside of this year, he, after this, he gonna be in the top three, I would say for the next eight to 10 years.

[Joe]

What do you think about. What is it about Wimby that people don't, that players don't seem to get. They get their arms around Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

I think he's still learning. He's still, he's super young still. He has great Talent around him. Okay, Ocho. So he's not asked to do a whole lot. He just has games to where he does do a whole lot.

[Joe]

Right.

[Uncle Ocho]

I mean, as far as scoring the ball, rebounding, shot blocking, shot altering, you know, I mean he can rig, have it on defensive end by himself.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know what I mean? So I think as years continue to go on, people started to show him a lot more, a lot, a lot more respect because I think he's gonna have gotti numbers.

[Joe]

I'm looking at it gather. I'm trying to figure out who's gonna be that 4th all NBA player because SGA made the cut off. Jokic made the cut off. Jalen Brown made the cut off. Wimby made the cut off. So we got four. Who's gonna be that, who's gonna be guy that was gonna be a, a second team all NBA guy and now all of a sudden he's the first team all NBA guy?

[Uncle Ocho]

That's a good question.

[Joe]

Is it during?

[Uncle Ocho]

I think, I think, I think he gonna make an all NBA team. I'm not sure it's gonna be the first team though.

[Joe]

But we gotta have one more.

[Uncle Ocho]

They probably gonna go like he might even throw kd.

[Joe]

That's a possibility. Possibility.

[Uncle Ocho]

Because I think he probably was gonna make a team already. He probably.

[Joe]

Oh yeah, he'd make it. Yeah, he was gonna be. He probably gonna be second team.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. So you probably put him in, put him in first team. Damn.

[Joe]

Yeah. And then somebody go. And then somebody gonna get bumped up

[Uncle Ocho]

who gonna get bumped up from third to second.

[Joe]

And somebody that wasn't gonna make a team gonna be on the team. So somebody gonna go get a max and a supermax contract.

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[Ocho]

That's innerbalance.com that ain't nothing but a blessing.

[Joe]

That's all it is. Doc Rivers is departing as head coach of the Bucks after two and a half seasons for Shams. Bucks will not search for the third head coach in three years. Rivers went 97103 during his three seasons in Milwaukee with two first round exits. After missing the postseason and playing tournament this season, Rivers took over for bucks Echo late January 24, replacing Adrian Griffin, who had a 30 and 13 record before being fired. Team sources says there was a season long disconnected between Rivers and the players, including instance instances that annoyed the locker room. Joe, what's going on?

[Uncle Ocho]

I don't know. It just seems like they weren't feeling Doc Rivers. I from my understanding they had a meeting and they said Doc kind of gloated about his accolades and the things that he's done.

[Joe]

Yeah, he's like Google, Google me. Y' all don't know who I am. My name is Glenn, but they called me Doc.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, and this what you have in professional sports, fellas, because guys make way too much money for you to be coming in here talking about, man, they ain't trying to hit none of that. They ain't trying to hear that.

[Joe]

Well, nobody. Doc. I'm sorry. Doc. I remember Doc. I remember Doc at Marquette. I remember Doc. Doc. I remember when Doc was with the Hawks. With them. With them tight little 25 shows.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, these players ain't standing there ar oo.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, so short. Oh, the jock. The bottom of the jock be hanging out the shore. Come on, man.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey, Joe. They really can't blame Doc, though, huh?

[Uncle Ocho]

Why?

[Ocho]

Because, hell, they were 30 and 13, and you fired the coach when you had. You was having a winning season.

[Joe]

I wonder what. What. And who precipitated that? Number 30 ain't none of my business. I mind my Black business.

[Ocho]

Number 34 and.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, listen, I think with Doc getting up out of that. I think if. If f. Lets me know that Giannis will be on the move. I. I cuz.

[Joe]

Oh, he on the move regardless, cuz. They already said, Joe. Either he signs this extension or we trading his ass because he ain't getting to. Hey, he ain't getting out of here. Walking to the end of this contract. Oh, no. Gone.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, doctor. I walk into a sweet situation. Oh, they 30 and 13. I got dame. I got.

[Joe]

I got Giannis.

[Uncle Ocho]

I can lead these, boy. I give me another title under my belt.

[Joe]

Man, thing fell apart because I don't think Dame Hart was never in Milwaukee. Dame really didn't want to leave Portland, but he just knew he wasn't gonna win no championship in Portland. Yeah, he really wanted to go to Miami. But Miami. Miami always try to penny pinch. Ain't nobody helping you. Ain't nobody giving you the best players, Pat Riley for spare parts. They not. But if you look at it now, he said the reports are he would be willing to part with Tyler Hero. When you had a chance to get James Harden, you wouldn't do it. Yeah, you had to get a chance to get. Possibly get KD reports or you wouldn't do it. Now, all of a sudden, bro, ain't no. Ain't nobody giving you and Kale. Well, you have to get up off him, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

I know, man, because he got too.

[Joe]

He.

[Uncle Ocho]

He got so much talent. He got some promise.

[Joe]

Yeah, he tried to hold on to it.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. No good. Look, if you pay Riley, man, you got to do something here. You're gonna be a playing team for the next however many years. So you got to make a big flash this summer. You gotta make some changes.

[Ocho]

All right. I ain't gonna say nothing. I already told you what's happening. But y' all is looking for a house in Coral Gables.

[Joe]

Now, that's okay. You're gonna have to go. Hey, you have to give a Tyler hero, and you're gonna have to give up where that's at. The minimum. That's at the men. Yeah. Huh.

[Ocho]

Gianna's looking for a house in Coral Gables as we speak.

[Joe]

He could look for a house in Western. All I know is you're gonna give up Tyler hero, you're gonna give up where, and you're gonna give an unprotected pick. I think that's Giannis 30 and 11.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, and if. You know, if you Milwaukee, you better go on taking. Stop playing.

[Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yes. So. But, man, Doc said y' all better Google me. I've won championships. I made some teammate. Hey, I've got teams to the championships

[Uncle Ocho]

that don't work in the professional sports, man. Yeah, you got a. A1 thing. You know, one thing y' all know, bro, you got to be relatable to these players, and they got to respect you. I ain't saying they don't respect Doc. I think they respect him, but I think they kind of felt the way. But obviously behind the meeting that they had and him throwing his accolades around them guys like, man, damn.

[Joe]

Then, hey, what Janet Jackson say, what have you done for me lately? Hey, hold on. That was 2009. When was that? Well, hold on. I'm trying to say that was 2008, when they wanted. So, 2000. 2008. 2009. Yeah, because Kobe. Because Kobe wanted 910. Yeah. And then. And then Dallas won it in 11. LeBron's first year there. So LeBron's. LeBron's year. That. So it was.

[Uncle Ocho]

Had to be.

[Joe]

What year was that they won?

[Uncle Ocho]

2007.

[Joe]

2000. With that two. No, 2007. What you call them?

[Uncle Ocho]

2008. It wasn't two days.

[Joe]

2008. 2008. That's when Boston won.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, bro.

[Joe]

That was. That was 18 years ago. Them kids. Most of these kids was two, three tops.

[Ocho]

They was, baby. They were little tall.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

They seem like, oh, we remember Doc. I remember Doc as a player.

[Uncle Ocho]

I do.

[Joe]

In Atlanta. Damn. But, man, look, I. Man, it's a different time now. You can't talk to these kids like you once could. You just got a.

[Uncle Ocho]

It's almost.

[Joe]

You got to be relatable. Hey, you got to know something. You got to know something about cod. You got to know something about, you know, Mad. You got to know something. Okay, man, you got to know stuff like that, man. You got to be on that level. They talking about Young boy, you talking about Isley Brothers and. And Frank and family talking about summer breed kids don't know nothing about that.

[Ocho]

It's all about being relatable.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, same thing. Because if you're in college and you can't relate, hell, he hitting the portal. He gone. He ain't trying to hit as you talking about.

[Joe]

No.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah,

[Joe]

bro. Every time we put something on. Every time we put something on there with a nightcap feed. Man, what you know about this? God damn, I say. Well, damn. But that's it, guys. It's. Look, just accept it. Yeah, the times that, Joe, that you grew up in and Ocho, you and I grew up in, that's over. It ain't coming back. You can't coach the kids like that. You can't talk to them like you once could just accept that and say, man, I remember. I do, too.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, damn. How do you discipline a kid? Somebody nowadays.

[Ocho]

Discipline who?

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm saying, if I. No, I'm coaching. How I supposed to discipline my guys or my kids in college? How what I supposed to do?

[Joe]

You're gonna make him do suicides right? In somebody else's practice. You're gonna have it running laps in somebody else's jail.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe.

[Joe]

That's where it is now, Joe.

[Ocho]

Hey, for one, Joe, the players that you do have, whoever the coach is, you got to have players that respect you.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

They have players that you respect you. And then you got to know your players personally. You got to know what players you can coach hard. Then you got to know what players you got to coach and pat on the back. You got to pull them along with you.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, it's hard to be a coach nowadays, ain't it?

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Ocho]

It's difficult. It's a different ball game.

[Uncle Ocho]

You got to juggle all these different personalities. No, no. You can't make everybody happy. It's gonna be two, three guys pissed off at you every year. That's just how I go every time.

[Joe]

Yes. It's just like your kids, Joe. You got more. You got two, three kids, everybody. Hey, Somebody gonna buck. The law of averages says if you got more than one kid, the fact that you owe all the kids gonna fall in line. Nah, somebody gonna book. It's just. It's just the way it is. Just the way it is. And now when you be. What? Hey. Deep breath, shouting hey. Oh, hey.

[Ocho]

You had one of your kids buck at you before?

[Joe]

I just.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey.

[Joe]

I just go back to what my grandma say. Don't make me hurt you. Don't make Me lose my job? Oh, yeah. Look, I had, I had. I had a daughter, right? I had a daughter that was in high school. Yes, sir. She wanted, you know, hey, she's, you know, she got hormones going on. Yeah. Her and I talk about it all the time. She said, daddy, thank you. She says, I look back on it now, you're the type of dad that I needed. Because if I didn't have you, I would have probably run over my other dad and it would have been long term problems down the road. Now, she said, I appreciate it. She said, I didn't see it at the time. I said, baby, you never do. I said, I'm only gonna do what's in the best interest of you. I'm not trying to harm you. I'm not trying to hurt you. I. I understand. I was. I've been your age. You've never been mine.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's what they don't understand.

[Joe]

I understand what you're going through, but I also, I say, let me talk to you. Let me talk to you. As a guy that was 17, 18, 19, 20, and what I was looking to do and what I was trying to do to a young lady that was 17, 18, 19, 20.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hello. Hello.

[Joe]

I ain't telling what somebody told me. I'm telling you what I know. I lived it. Experience is the best teacher. Yeah. So I was, I was always her parent. I'm always. And I told her I was gonna always be a parent. But I'm gonna try to understand what you're. What you're dealing with, what you're going through. But understand, when I say no, it's no. Say no. We got rules. We got chores we got to do. Why I got to do it? Because I said you had to do it. No other reason why, but I said it right.

[Ocho]

No.

[Joe]

Hey, she'll tell you I ran a tight shield ocho. I did. I said, well, hey, I didn't. Hey, Kayla, can you wash the dishes? Kayla, wash the dishes. Kayla, take the trash out. Kayla, take the trash down to the road. I ain't reasoning with no damn child and I'm paying all the bills. I got a reason with you, right? How about no? Because when you say, daddy, can I go here? Daddy, can I have some money? Can I do that? But then when I say do X, Y and Z, it was tough because like I said, and she would call her mom, you're like, what you want me to do? He run his house. I don't click.

[Ocho]

Joe, you. You ain't had no problems on your end yet.

[Joe]

Huh?

[Uncle Ocho]

Nah, but it's lessons that. That have to be learned the hard way. Uncle Ocho and I, I'm sure y' all understand it. Like, I got a 19 year old, so, you know, hell, he, you know, he a for instance. Check this out. So for spring break. He just had spring break, right? So he called me. He. He wanted. He want to get an Airbnb. He won a thousand dollars to get an Airbnb. So me, I'm like, look, man, you got other stuff you could be doing that you need to be attended to. Like, I don't think, you know, spring break is that damn important. If y' all just want me to be 100 for you to be trying to spend a thousand dollars on the Airbnb to have some. Some. Some temporary fun. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

You blow a whole thousand versus you could have that thousand in your pocket and go do some. Do some good with it. But he didn't see it that way. He felt he had to have a thousand dollars. So I sent him a thousand dollars.

[Joe]

He blew it.

[Uncle Ocho]

Had a whole great weekend. Now look, guess what he hit me with the next. The next week. He needs money. Hey, look, I don't know what to do for you, bro. You're gonna have to figure it out. You know what I mean? Like, you gotta figure it out because I was trying to tell you this from the start. Like, that temporary fun you trying to have.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Worth it. My.

[Joe]

It ain't worth it with the homies. Yeah, it ain't worth it.

[Uncle Ocho]

It ain't worth it. I'm going to. It just ain't worth it, bro.

[Ocho]

Like, you know, Joe, that's 19. Oh, Joe. You got to think about when you was 19, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, Joe, when I was 19, I tell you what I would in my first in college, I wasn't out here trying to party in all spring break. Hey, look, I had gold.

[Joe]

You.

[Uncle Ocho]

You hear my man say he had a vision board? I ain't had no vision board, but I had a damn vision.

[Joe]

You hear me? Exactly.

[Uncle Ocho]

I knew where I was trying to go, and I wouldn't. I wasn't doing that. I'm. I'm sorry. I wasn't doing that.

[Ocho]

I got you.

[Joe]

Yeah. That's how it works.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And I don't get these kids, like, hey, they think, man, you get that Ain't no. It's the principle. It's the point of the matter.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Because I just want you to understand, when you become an adult, ain't nobody giving out no free money. Man, what? I just gave you X amount of dollars. You chose to go. You chose to go blow that money, which all your friends, which. They probably ain't chipping nothing.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's all.

[Joe]

And Barney Porter used to tell my brother, now, he said, son, when you got too many drivers and not enough fixers, he said, y' all riding around all these dudes in the car. So when it go down, when it break down, who gonna help you? Who. Who gonna pay for this flat? Who gonna put carburetor or spark plugs or whatever the case may be? He said, when you got too many drivers and not enough fixers. Okay, yeah. So you gotta understand. But like I said, she was very difficult. My son was pretty much like, look, there have been some times we had some little head. We. We butt heads. But I think boys are way more fearful of their father than a girl.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Way more.

[Uncle Ocho]

We got a little way, way, way females, boy.

[Joe]

Yeah. Because they're like, well, he can't. He can't really do what he was. Cause, you know, my son. Mom was like, look, I ain't finna go back and forth with you. I'm just. Just get on the phone. Hey. Hey, what's up? He need to talk to you. Okay, so I already know now. Now I'm already on one. What you need to talk to me for? Simple.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

If I ask you to do that, would you have told me what you told your mom?

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

Man, don't make me. Don't make me leave Denver,

[Uncle Ocho]

Ocho. You ain't no problem with none of yours.

[Ocho]

Nah, nah, Joe. Nah, Joe in the center. The only reason I haven't had any problem with Uncle Joe, because they mamas don't play that.

[Colton Hood]

Yo.

[Ocho]

They mama don't. But they were raised. Hell, I bought you in this. I'm talking about raised here. I bought you in this world. I take you out type of. Hell, no.

[Joe]

But, see, you need. They need to live with you. No, no, no. They need to be. What you say? I had Kayla.

[Ocho]

Oh, you said about, like, permanently.

[Joe]

Yeah. They need to be. They need every day when you say, no, you can't go. No, you can't go. No. I ain't giving you this. No. Why you buying that? Why you order that every day? Packages coming. I'm like, hold on. What the hell? Storage or something? I mean, how you get a package every day?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, I know exactly what he talking about.

[Joe]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Ocho]

And, you know, I'm. I'm a little. I'm a little lenient, too.

[Joe]

I know you are.

[Ocho]

I can tell you. Hey, but you. You have to. You have to really push me. You have to do really, really do something. You ain't really got no business, you know, for me to actually get out of character.

[Joe]

Yeah, man. Because you have to understand, because of who we are now. Yeah. And they know that you on tv, you ain't gonna do nothing. You're in the NFL. You ain't gonna do nothing. You don't want this kind of pressure. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay, but my thing is, it's when. When your kids tell you your. Their goals and dreams.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

And that just ain't adding up to. To the actions that they got going.

[Joe]

No. You feel me?

[Uncle Ocho]

That's my biggest. That's my biggest thing. I'm like, hold on. So you want to be X, Y, Z, but make it make sense to me, bro. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

That's. That's.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's. That's my biggest thing. It's like, if you're not working toward whatever it is that you envision yourself being in the next five, 10, 15 years, then what the hell you doing?

[Joe]

Right? Just. Look, I. Hey, I don't care what you want to be. I'm only going to push you in the direction that you choose to go. I'm the wind behind your back. You fail, you open up. I'm pushing you forward. Because I can't want something for you more than you want it for yourself. Yeah. That's what I'm gonna do. I don't want you. I. I live. I don't want you to do nothing. Because the thing why I was so worried about Joe and Ocho is that my kids, like, I did this for you. This ain't what I wanted to do.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

I want you to do whatever you want to do.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hello.

[Joe]

So therefore, that is your decision. I'm going to support you. I'm going to do everything I possibly can to help you reach the destination in which you're trying to get. So whatever you want to do. Hey, whatever major you wanted to major in, whatever school you wanted to go to. Gotcha.

[Ocho]

Yeah. That's how it was with motor son Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Playing football. Playing football. Season was young. Playing football. Arizona State. Playing football. Hey, you know what, Pops? This ain't really saying, really what I want to do. And he didn't want to tell me. He didn't want to tell me because he didn't want to upset me. He didn't want to feel like he would let me down. Say, man, you ain't letting me down, boy. Man, playing Football was my dream.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Ocho]

If you chose to play it, then so be it. I'm supporting you all the goddamn way. And when he say, you know, I ain't know how to come and tell you, I say, man, you good.

[Joe]

What?

[Ocho]

Now what is. What is it you do want to do so I can get behind you and propel you Whatever it is you

[Joe]

want to do, right?

[Ocho]

I got you a thousand percent.

[Joe]

If that.

[Ocho]

That's. If that's not your dream, that's fine. You ain't got.

[Joe]

You told him perfect. Ocho, playing in the NFL was my dream.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right?

[Joe]

I don't need. I don't need you to try to. And that's what I tell my kids. I've already done what I wanted to do.

[Colton Hood]

Right.

[Joe]

I'm not going to live vicariously through you because I achieved it. I want you to achieve what you want to achieve, and then I. That's why I'm the biggest supporter. That's right. You want to be a doctor, you want to be a lawyer, you want a regular. Whatever the case may be. I just want what's best for you, not what's best for Shannon, because we have. You got to understand what motivated me. You didn't have that same stimuli. You had the designer. You went to private schools, you had. You. You came over, it was a three car garage. You had Ferrari. You. Hey, there was whatever you wanted. There was never. There was never a time that you said, I want this for Christmas. And your mom told me, even when times like, no, that boy don't need. Get him to get in the thing. Damn. Get her. The Shannon, she don't need that. Well, that's what she want.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, I'm. I'm with you. I'm with you. But hey, I tell you what you can't do, though. You can't just lay in this house up under me and be no bomb. Now you can't just lay up under dad and be no bomb. I ain't. I ain't going for that one. None of them going for that one. I'm sorry, I ain't doing that one.

[Ocho]

None of them. Joe. Hey, I got 85 of them. You see me every day. You didn't see me at the height and you didn't see me lose it all. And you don't see me get it all back. And I'll be damn if anybody finna be sitting there doing nothing. You finna do something? Man, I don't care what it is.

[Joe]

Yeah, this house got room for one lazy mofo.

[Uncle Ocho]

And that's me.

[Joe]

I ain't lazy, and I ain't lazy. Thank you. Thank you. Ain't nobody finna sit up here and swing their feet on me. No. Get it, and you can get it. And you know, the thing is, I'm like, daddy. Oh, you still. Daddy, you almost 60, and you still motivated. When you gonna stop? I say, stop and do what?

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

What am I gonna stop and do? Tell me. I said, I. Just give me a plan. I want each of you to write down, if your daddy stopped working tomorrow. What am I gonna do, Daddy? You don't do nothing. So would you want me to stop and do less? More nothing? That's what I said. I told them all I say, right? I want you to write down, if your daddy stopped working tomorrow. What am I gonna do, Daddy? You don't do nothing. You don't go on no vacations. You don't like to go out and eat. All you want to do is just stay up in the house and work. Yeah, okay. So. So I'm.

[Uncle Ocho]

I said.

[Joe]

I ain't even say. I said, you're right. I'm almost 60, but I like to think I got a couple of more summers to go. So what I do in the meantime? What am I doing the meantime? Ocho and Joe, if. If. If. I'm not gonna. If I do absolutely nothing. So I'm not gonna do Nightcap. I'm not gonna do Club Shay Shay. I'm not gonna try. I'm not gonna try to create and develop other shows and help other people achieve their dreams. As far as in the podcast space, what am I gonna do? That's it. Hard work. I've never. I've never ran from. Away from a tough assignment or a hard work. Yeah. So I just don't. I said, guys, I don't know what to tell you. It's like, dang.

[Ocho]

Hey, I just. There's no way you can be one of mine and see me work. Joe. I'm talking about Joe. I'm getting to the bag, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hustling. I'm not talking about in those streets. I got about 50, 11 jobs.

[Uncle Ocho]

Huh.

[Ocho]

Like Jody, you. You seeing it. So I.

[Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Got to be motivated. You got to be inspired. It got. You got to want to do something.

[Joe]

Yes. And that's what I'm saying. I'm. I've taped my fourth episode of Club Shae Shay in the last three days. Damn. So I've done Nightcap on Wednesday, Nightcap on Thursday, Nightcap on Saturday now, and guess what? I Got another episode of Club Shay Shay to take. I got Nightcap. Guess what. On Tuesday, I'm a wake up. I got another episode of Club Shay Shay. And guess what? We got Nightcap. I'm going to fly home. And then I got another episode of Club Shay Shay. And we got Nightcap and we got Nightcap. And we got Nightcap. And guess what? Yeah, I got Club Shay Shay and Nightcap on Saturday.

[Ocho]

I'm wishing.

[Uncle Ocho]

Putting their work in, man.

[Joe]

That's it. So there's not. Oh, man, you did. I don't know anything else to hard work. And that's what we grew up on. That's how I think we got out of the situation. It's not an accident, but it wasn't by design either that two. Two boys from Glenville, Georgia, population 3,500, went and achieved what we achieved. Yeah, that's. It wasn't by. It wasn't an accident, but it wasn't by design because guess what? The same stimuli. Hard work. Because Barneyport. Hey, I'm gonna have my brother come on here one night and tell him my grandfather used to get up and say, get up. Hey, that's sleeping in Barney Porter. Say get up and watch the sun rise. Get up and watch the sunrise on a Saturday. Ain't nobody sleeping. It ain't no sleep. Oh, we gonna sleep till nine. No Barney Porter with ain't no leads on the ground. What you mean, rake the yard? Something to do.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So me, I'm the same way. I'll come home sometime. I'm like. And I just start straightening up. I just start cleaning. I start vacuum. I start wiping everything down. I was like, man, I mean, I. It was to the point. Every night before I went to bed, Joe, I had to wipe down the countertop. I had to clean the glass tables. I had to sweep, I had to vacuum. I had to make sure everything was eat. I go through the cupboards, every label, flacing out all the napkins.

[Ocho]

Man. Damn.

[Joe]

I need to break this habit. I'm just. I just have that obsessive personality.

[NBA Analyst]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I just. I just got it. I know. Shell out of the shell. No, I'm not coming. I'm not coming. I'm not coming upstairs because you're gonna put me to work. Yeah. How? You know I sure am. Every time Shelly comes, I go through and rearrange all the drawers again. I can't. I hate stuff out of place. Yeah. I get off. I get off the show and I go through the house and I pick up all the dogs, toys, because they got toys, you know, they got toys all over the place. I pick up every toy, put it back down. Mats. Take the mats, put them back in the drawer, slide the chairs in. But I got to turn them a certain way. Look in the refrigerator. Do I need to put water in there? Do I need to add another can of ginger ale?

[Ocho]

I just got OCD heavy.

[Joe]

Boy, I am, I am, I am o. I am. I know it, too. I know it, I know it. But that. But that's the way we. That's the way we grew up, and we had to do certain things. Like I said, my grandma used to say, boy, it ain't much. You're right, it wasn't much. It was a thousand square foot cinder block home with 10 roof. But she said, son, let's try to keep it clean. Yeah, let's. The phone books. Hey, there's a hole up the end tables. They were stacked up under there nice and neat.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Y' all don't know about them phone books.

[Uncle Ocho]

I do.

[Joe]

And the series of Robux and JCPenney catalog. I do. Used to be this thick yellow one. Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Come on, now.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe, check this out. Giannis says the Bucks haven't offered him an extension. Before we even talk about an extension, somebody gotta offer me that. I don't wear the pants in my relationship. I gotta ask my wife. If my wife says yes, yes. If she says no, no. It's up to her. So you gotta ask her. Find her on social media, follow her podcast. I don't know if she has one. Ask her whatever she says. I do. Joe, why he do that?

[Ocho]

He's stirring up trouble. Huh?

[Joe]

That's all he. The thing is, and Joe, you know this, he don't want that blowback that's going to come because he's asking for a trade, everybody's going to get it. They haven't offered him a contract. Now. Now, I don't know if it's true, but they said if he doesn't sign the offer, it's hard for me to believe somebody that's averaging 3011 over the last two to three years, and they haven't offered him a contract extension.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, that's hard for me to believe, too. I'm talking about a guy who done brought you a title like do we ain't. This ain't just no regular Degla here. This. This dude, you know, he putting it down, man. But for Giannis to say that, like, put everything on his wife, bro. Come on, man.

[Joe]

Remember, this is not the first time. Guess who did he put it on before Joe and Ocho? His agent.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. Come on, man.

[Joe]

Everybody. You see how he tries to put responsibility on everybody else? So will y' all blame my wife because she wanted to leave, blame my agent because he did this deal. I ain't got nothing to do with me.

[Uncle Ocho]

Come on, man. What we doing if you don't? Hey, look, everybody ain't gonna like you, bro. I think. I think. I think, you know, you. You have to understand that. Giannis has to understand that, man. You ain't gonna be able to please everybody, bro.

[Colton Hood]

No.

[Uncle Ocho]

As long as you happy, your family happy, that's the only thing that matters.

[Ocho]

That's it.

[Uncle Ocho]

You're gonna have everything else. Gonna have to kick rocks, partner, for real, Real talk. And I don't. I, I. I'm not sure what he's thinking, you know, throughout these times, I'm. I'm pretty sure they're difficult. But, man, hey, the next chapter of your life, bro, you got to continue to move on. You got to continue to evolve. Like, I mean, if you're gonna move on, just move on, man.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's it. You're gonna get criticism because. But he saw. He. But he saw the blowback that LeBron got. Yeah, and LeBron didn't even ask for a trade. LeBron played his contracts out. Yeah, Kevin Durant, he's been traded. But Kevin Durant, they got. He got kd. He left. KBD was a free agent. But when KD left the Nets and when KD left Brooklyn, whatever. I mean, excuse me, Nanette and Phoenix, he got some pushback. Okay, Giannis, it's okay. You know what? Your time is probably run its course. Probably run its course. And it's okay that you want to leave. You're still a phenomenal player, but that comes with the territory. But don't put this on your wife. Don't put this on your agent.

[Ocho]

He gotta. You gotta embrace that villain role.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, that man.

[Ocho]

Hey, you gotta embrace being that villain.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hold on. That man.

[Joe]

The. The. The.

[Uncle Ocho]

The most glaring thing, that man said, his wife wore the pants in their relationship. He said he don't wear the pants.

[Ocho]

And he. That. That's how. That's how you put all the responsibility on her, on whatever.

[Joe]

Exactly. Damn, it sound good. But don't nobody believe that, because guess what? She gonna go where you go.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hello?

[Joe]

It's really that simple. She's going where you go. And this notion that the agent don't work at the behest of you, so somehow the agent is. Is doing things behind your back that you don't know anything about. Your agent is talking to the. The Milwaukee Bucks. Yeah, he is. At the behest of you. He's telling. He's tell. He's telling. He's telling upper management that Giannis isn't happy. He doesn't believe you guys can feel the contender, and he would like to move on. Here's a list of the teams that he would preferably like to go to.

[Ocho]

Yeah, Miami's number one.

[Joe]

If I, if I'm, if I'm Milwaukee, I said, you know what? We thank him for his services. We'll do everything that we possibly can do to accommodate him. But at the end of the day, we're going to take the best deal for the Milwaukee Bucks.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes, sir. That's how it's always going to go. That's how it's always been.

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