Devin White (1:37)

He definitely got that charisma, you know that?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (1:40)

I told you, huh? I know what I'm talking about, man. Okay.

Shannon Sharpe (1:44)

All right.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (1:45)

We can get back. We can get back to business. That's it.

Shannon Sharpe (1:47)

Damn. You got to help me understand this. With all the early success that you had at Tampa, Pro Bowls, All Pros, Rookie of the Year, win the Super Bowl, I thought you were a lifer because you fit the Derrick Brooks, you fit the Ronde Barber, you fit the John lynch, you fit the Warren Saps, a physical football player. Tampa, known for defense. They're physical. Leroy Salmon, rest his soul. Physical defensive player. Why? And then, and then I know you heard. If you didn't hear it, somebody sent you. What Jason Light said, had I known what I know now, probably wouldn't even. I wouldn't have taken it. What went wrong? How, why? And how weren't you able to finish your career in Tampa?

Devin White (2:32)

I think, personally, I think they just weren't ready to, you know, give up that bad. You know, obviously, obviously they knew it was time. After my fourth year, you know, everybody knew the numbers I put up, the accolades I had, and I wasn't trying to be selfish, but I was just. I wanted what was due, you know, I felt like I did everything right there from on the field, off the field, in the community, being a team captain every year. And when I asked to get me, you know, I got looked at crazy, you know, and I just. And I don't know why, you know, nowadays, players getting paid after three years, they go in the first round. And I had to go fight it out on the fifth year option for what when I already had, you know, even with Levante David Dog on the team, I led the team. I led the team in tackles, you know, I got turnovers and, you know, made big plays. And then obviously, like you said, for him to come out and say what he said, man, we hosted a Super bowl trophy together, so none of that matter, you know, well, he know he'll do it again because I helped him, you know, obviously, you know, on that run that we made, you know, I feel like I was a key part of that, you know, no cock you were. If you look at the numbers and the stats, like, oh, I missed the playoff game and had the most tackles in the postseason out of any player. And I missed one game. I missed the Washington game. Go look it up. And on the next three games, I was double digit tackles every game. And you know, getting it in. For real.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (3:48)

Yeah. And you know what? You know what? To unc and, and, and ld. This is one of the things I don't like about it, don't like about the business side of things.

Shannon Sharpe (3:55)

Even.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (3:55)

Even with the numbers, even when you do things right, not only on and off the field. When it comes when it's time to get paid, when it's time to get paid, they always look at you funny. They look at everybody funny, Even those that have the numbers, even though they have the stats. And it's the same conversation with the better players on each team all the time. Every year it's the same thing. You always have to fight tooth and Nail for your value. You always got to fight tooth and nail for what you worth. Despite putting up the numbers. They gonna find something. They're gonna put something in your contract. They're gonna talk to your agent. Crazy. I don't know. I hate that side of the business. But listen, I'm glad you got what you deserve and you doing your thing.

Shannon Sharpe (4:40)

How disappointed were you? Because, like you said, you hoisted a Lombardi Trophy in your building together, the ups and the downs, and you had some setbacks, and you accomplished all these things. And I'm sure, because when we had you on my old show, you talked about, hey, I. I'm gonna be a lifer, you know, like Sam. When I see Brooks, then when they come around and I see their names up in the stadium, that's what I want for. That's what I want for D. White.

Devin White (5:05)

Yeah, I think I was very disappointed. Just, you know, like I said, I'm always piggyback off Levante, you know, he do everything right. That's my big brother, like, to this day. And I thought I was coming in to, like, take over the role and be the next great one after him. Obviously, he still ain't slowing down. He's still going. And, bro, we both made all pro team together. We was always in. In the top 100 together and led the team and tackles together. And I just thought I was going to just be his successor. But, you know, at the end of the day, I was very disappointed, man, because that's somewhere I wanted to be. But that also made. Made my hurt hurt a lot worse because I had already started counting my eggs that didn't hatch yet in Tampa, and I was. And I was dialed in, like, I. I got. I still got a place there, and I was about to buy another spot across from my place to just add on and just make this my forever home.

Shannon Sharpe (5:54)

That's gonna be my home.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (5:55)

Yeah.

Devin White (5:56)

And when that don't happen like that, man, that hurt. That hurt a lot. But, I mean, it is what it is.

Shannon Sharpe (6:01)

When you found out Tom Brady. Cause there. All of a sudden, there started to be speculation Tom Brady might be signing with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You like, hold on. Tom Brady that was in New England. Tom Brady. You talking about the guy that's won six Super Bowls and been tonight, that's been to all these Super Bowls and got all these accolades. He might be coming to Tampa for. Hold on, man. Stop play, y', all, for real. Tom Brady might be coming to Tampa because if you look at it, you guys had an outstanding season. James turned the ball Jamon had through for 5,000 yards. But it's hard for a defense to overcome 30 plus turnovers from one player. Yeah, and you. And I'm. I'm sure you thought in the back of your mind, man, if man Tom Brady, he don't turn the ball over with this defense, boy, it's gonna be. It's gonna be tough for somebody to beat us.

Devin White (6:48)

Yeah, we, I mean, we. We knew getting him that we could be really good. You know, just him just being in complete control of the offense. You know, the turnovers did help. You know, James did a lot of great things. Salute to him, you know, but we was the number one run defense of team in the NFL my rookie year. You know, we was kind of hit or miss in the past. You know, we was kind of in the middle of the bunch, so we just knew we were just missing a complete offense to be able to go do it. And then obviously, you know, him coming there brought a lot of expectation that people was willing to rise to the occasion. You know, that's.

Shannon Sharpe (7:21)

That's another thing.

Devin White (7:21)

When you get a person like him in the building, your play level just go up times 20.

Shannon Sharpe (7:25)

Got you.

Devin White (7:26)

You know what I'm saying? Because you want to meet his standard. You know, he got a certain standard about himself, you know, being on the team, being in the building, and, you know, you just kind of want to be all in. Then obviously, we had got some key guys, you know, we got his tight end, you know, we had got a. A great receiver out of Florida, you know, that end up helping. You know, we had a couple D linemen come in to really kind of put our defense solidify defense, and, and we was rocking out. You know, we had a lot of young guys on defense too, but, you know, that's part of it. You know, people just getting thrown in the fire just and accepting the role and going to go get it.

Shannon Sharpe (7:56)

What were your practices like? Were they challenging? Because were you talking smack to him and he talking smack to y'?

Devin White (8:02)

All?

Shannon Sharpe (8:02)

You guys been. Because it seemed like, you know, you got Tom Brady, you have those, you got Godwin, you got Mike Evans, A.B. you got Gronk, you know, hey, you don't want to get blitzed. Hey, y' all ain't fit to do that. What y' all been doing to them, y' all ain't gonna do that to us. And then like, well, what y' all did to that team, y' all not fit to do that to us. And so y' all just going back and forth and so you raising each other's level.

Devin White (8:22)

I think, I think the best part about it was it was two things I say. The secondary wanted to get a pick off Brady. Like we knew you couldn't pick him in a game, so you want to try to get it in in practice. And then I think for just the overall defense, we had to be able to disguise like harder than ever because he has seen so many looks in his life. So that what made our defense even better, we was able to disguise and play different coverages from different, you know, different looks. And I think that helped us like, you know, on the back end of the season because we just had got so much better. We was grooming ourselves to perfection with our disguises because you got to trick him some way because he doesn't mean it. And I think, and I think that helped. Like even I remember in the, in the playoff, in the, to go to the championship, we was playing Aaron Rodgers, we was playing trap coverage where the linebackers running out on cover and holding the number two receivers. I'm running with Devonte on out routes and stuff. And we sending, you know, boundary pressures and you know, you can't pick it up because you don't know who dropping. You don't know who going right. And that's one thing I credit to Todd Bowles is he never stay the same weekend and week out. He always adding to that playbook. Adding to that playbook.

Shannon Sharpe (9:29)

You're in. You go to Philly, Billy don't work out. I was like, man, you know, he'd be good in Philly. I mean, why. Okay, well, tell us why now.

Devin White (9:38)

I don't know though, truthfully, you know, I feel like I, I feel like I went there with a fresh mind. You know, I was around a bunch of guys that I, you know, that was in my high school class that I already knew. And I went there, you know, just go, you know, just go get it back on track. You know, coming off that foot injured my fifth year, went to all the OTAs. That was new for me. You know, being in Tampa with an older team, we didn't really do many OTAs. You know, my second year was Kobe. Third year, fourth year, we had, you know, Tom Brady. He didn't, he went, you know, he did his own thing. So we did our own thing on defense. So I was pretty much locked in. You know, I started every game, I mean, started every practice of camp otas. I was there. And you know, after the second game, I mean, second preseason game, you know, they Called me up, you know, Coach Vic, you know, he said, we're going to go nicobi. And hey, hey, I do what y' all gotta do. You know, I said, I asked him what. What did I do to, you know, keep this job that I done had all spring? He said, it's just the decision we going with. And I respected it. You know, hats off to Zach and the COVID Still my guys. I was still in there for four weeks, you know, just giving them all the, you know, the gym that I had, you know, they was playing New Orleans. I was familiar with them, and I was just being a pro about the situation. That's why you never heard nothing bad come out of that situation. It just. It just wasn't the fit. You know, I wasn't who they wanted. And respectfully, you know, we moved on. And it is what it is. You know, I don't dwell on it. You know, I still got incentives off that super bowl run, so God is good. You know, I was on the team for a week, you know.

Shannon Sharpe (11:07)

Right.

Devin White (11:07)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (11:09)

It's been a rough start for you and for the team in Vegas. You got Jamal Adams, who moved from safety. He was a safety. Now he's a linebacker. Defensively, you got Max Crosby. Everybody knows what Max brings to the table. So. So tell me, what's the transition been like for you from Tampa to Philly, now you're here in Raiders and you know, the Raiders, you know, Al, I know they got a lot of slogans. His famous thing is the quarterback must go down and he must go down hard.

Devin White (11:36)

Yeah, I think the. The biggest transition is just, you know, it's just a different style of play than what I'm used to. You know, I always been assimilated. Pressure type of guy from Dave around the college to Ty in the NFL and just coming to this new scheme and just kind of, you know, being a little more zoning, you know, it's been different from me and, you know, I started off playing Mike, you know, Mike and Will. I was rotating the first couple of weeks because we. We were trying to get different guys on the field. You know, we had Jermaine Pratt, E Rob, Jamal and myself. So I was the guy that was going from Mike, Mike and sub, and I was playing Will and base, and then I was a dime linebacker.

Shannon Sharpe (12:15)

So.

Devin White (12:16)

Right stuff end up didn't working out with my guy Pratt, you know, he went to the coast with his old defensive coordinator from Cincy, and now I'm back at Will, and that's why I roam and my first Game at straight will. This past week Rush got a turnover. I was able to go get it, you know, so that's, that's a good thing. You know, stuff happened how it happened, but you know, you just always find a good in it. But at the end of the day, man, I think we, we, we can hit a stride, you know, we're starting to find out our identity, you know, who we are. Because you got coach Pete and you got coach pg. They clashing together. Two good defensive minded guys, you know, trying to find their identity. And I think that's what's going on. So I'm excited.

Shannon Sharpe (12:55)

The thing that I was always impressed with you Dev, is that your ability to close the suddenness. I mean when you like when they, when they bring you on pressure, you, I mean you get, you arrive in a hurry and you arriving with bad intentions. I mean when you, when you get to that point, bad things normally happen for the opposing player. So what is your mindset when it's like you said, they sent you on a blessing, you like, I'm a pressure. I'm a pressure Mike. I'm a pressure Will. I'm a pressure Mike backer.

Devin White (13:23)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (13:24)

Because Todd blitz you a lot because he knows he gonna get you on the line on a running back and you win his ass over.

Devin White (13:31)

I'm a win. I'm a win. No, I think that's the thing, you know, just growing up one from a small town, I never played for a coach who played the game until I got to the Buccaneers with all my coaches there. They all played the game that was the first time. So I was able to just add more tools to my bag. And I think that was one of the things they was like, bro, you got speed and you just got a ability, a knack for the ball, you know how to go get it. And man, I took pride on it. I was like, well look, I'm going to focus on this because turnovers win games, you know, so obviously with him blixing me is like, hey, go get the ball. Don't just go get a sack, go get the ball. And then obviously when I'm in coverage, you know, that's, that's the main thing too. But you know, just far as just being a guy who can go get sacks, you know, I, I think I've done that well since my, you know, since I entered the league into the NFL. I think I got the most off ball sacks as a linebacker with like 24, 25, so. And, and that's missing a year ball last Year. So, man, look, hey, I just. Hey, I can go get it. And I take pride in it. You know, when I went to go sack Ken Ward, I was thinking ball the whole time. Like, you know, you. You get a sack, but a sack. Fumble. Better.

Shannon Sharpe (14:40)

Way better. Exactly. Hey, you're not. It's just not good enough to get the quarterback down. Let me see if I can get this ball while I'm at it.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (14:48)

Hey, what is it? What has it been like, the difference, obviously, living in Tampa, you know, for a while, as opposed to being in Vegas. You like Vegas better?

Devin White (14:56)

Nah, I ain't gonna say I like Vegas. The dryness. But I think Tampa, you know, I'm a country boy, so, you know, just being in Tampa, it was a city feel, but it. But it wasn't too big. You know, the lights wasn't too big.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (15:07)

It was.

Devin White (15:08)

Still felt homey to me. And obviously, being there five, six years, I can drive around Tampa with no gps. You know, just being there so long.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (15:15)

Good. Yeah.

Devin White (15:16)

So I think. I think that that still haven't settled in, you know, and. And just being out here, I'm still new, still learning, but, I mean, it's nice out here.

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Devin White (17:38)

The biggest thing from both cities, no state income tax. That's a blessing right there.

Shannon Sharpe (17:42)

Yeah, yeah. See that your month of your living expenses is saved in the taxes that you would have paid had you been somewhere else.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (17:49)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (17:50)

So now to get your extra horse, because we know you love horses.

Devin White (17:53)

I love horses, but you can't bring them out here. But the weather out here is dry.

Shannon Sharpe (17:58)

It's too hot. It's too hot. It's too hot for dry. Yeah, you got. If I'm not mistaken, I think you got American saddle horses.

Devin White (18:06)

American standard bread.

Shannon Sharpe (18:07)

Standard bread. Okay. Standard bread. So you got working horses.

Devin White (18:10)

Yeah. Obviously you can race them on the track. You could do a lot of pleasure riding with them. I do both. And I tapped into this Amish world. I'm with the Amish community. They do a lot of buggy horses with these standard breads. So they. Not just one dimensional.

Shannon Sharpe (18:22)

Yeah, you gotta know, people, hold on. Buggy. What the hell you.

Devin White (18:29)

Hey. Wherever it's good at. That's what I'm trying to be. Just know that the Amish people, they don't go buy Richard Millers and phones and they spend. They. They spend their green on horses. So I'm trying to be a part of that culture, too.

Shannon Sharpe (18:42)

Okay. But they eat, man. Horses eat you out of house. At home.

Devin White (18:45)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (18:46)

Sweet feed.

Devin White (18:47)

Hey, yeah, check them out. Sweet feed. Now. But the. But the Amish community, you know, they take pride on horses. Horses are their cars. So, yes. You know, instead of them going to buy their wife a new Porsche, they go buy them a new nice horse to drive to church and to the stores and, you know, whatever function they have and to their family houses. So I done got here real big with a bunch of Amish communities, and I'm making my mark over there. So that's.

Shannon Sharpe (19:12)

Where's the Amish community at? They got an armies community in Louisiana or town?

Devin White (19:15)

No, no, no. I'm in Illinois, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio. Yeah, states like that, they. They up there.

Shannon Sharpe (19:23)

Yeah.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (19:24)

Oh, man, I ain't know you ride horses, boy.

Devin White (19:27)

Oh, yeah, I'm like that. I'm like that. I rode a horse across Raymond James after we won the Super Bowl.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (19:33)

Yeah, okay. Yeah, I'll be right. I'd be riding too, man.

Devin White (19:36)

Nah, now you going to Mexico and ride when you just. You cadillacing. I'm doing. No, no, no, no.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (19:41)

I. I ride for real.

Devin White (19:42)

Okay, we're gonna tap in then. I'm ride for real. We going. We going 30 mile per hour, not even moving in the seat. That's the type of ride we doing.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (19:50)

That ain't but. Well, you might want to Google me, man. Hey, I ride horses. I ride PBR bulls. I ride for real.

Shannon Sharpe (19:59)

Yeah, he do a little something. He do looks up there, there, but you got to tell the backdrop of the story of. Of the horses and how you got in the store, you horses. Because you. You were dealing with something. You went through something in your life, and horses helped you, helped you deal with that.

Devin White (20:13)

Yeah, for sure. Just being in a small town where I come from, you know, growing up, man, it ain't really much to do around now. A lot of people. That's what a lot of people do, you know. But growing up, I ended up losing my brother at a young age. I want to say I was like 8 or 9 years old, and that's just what I use to cope with it. You know, you could be at the barn, you know, you take a lot off your mind going to ride and stuff, man. So I think that horses has always been a good coping factor for me. And then now, you know, just as I got older, you know, I enjoy, you know, my son enjoy. And man, we kind of make a hobby out of it. You know, we go to events around the world, you know, Tennessee, Louisiana, Texas, Mississippi, I guess on the south, the south end of the world. And we go right, and we have fun, man. We do it for pleasure. But at the end of the day, man, we out there enjoying ourselves. So horse has been a big part of my life and probably gonna continue to do it and more Gu. In the league starting to. Starting to get to him. I got Ed Oliver do it. Xavier Leggett, he own it. Zamir White, that played with the Raiders, he own it. And, you know, Xavier Howard, he just retired to be with his kids, but also, he. He done got into these horses, too. He down there in Miami, but he from Houston, but he got. He got all his horses in Miami, and I sold him some horses, so that just let you know, like, hey, it's getting real around.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (21:28)

Hey, hey, wait.

Shannon Sharpe (21:28)

What.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (21:29)

Hey, D. What's. What's the number on them horses? What we talking about?

Shannon Sharpe (21:32)

Depending, man. We get you something.

Devin White (21:33)

Depends. About 20 gr. You know, a little something.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (21:37)

Okay, okay.

Shannon Sharpe (21:39)

Yeah, but go ahead. Tell them the other part about how much the mofos eat.

Devin White (21:43)

Yeah, now, they eat a lot, though, then in Miami, you know, y' all ain't got the best resources for hay and feed, right? Y' all gotta get it shipped in, you know, like we do in the South. We grow it. You know what I'm saying? So it'll be a little more expensive, but it's worth it, though, you know, when you. When you got something that bring you peace, money don't matter.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (21:59)

Yeah, you right about that. My daughter, man, I don't know where it came from. Obviously, you was.

Cindy Crawford (22:05)

You.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (22:06)

You in the city, the fact that she loves horses so much.

Devin White (22:10)

Hey, but we got to show you about these standard breads, though, bro. It's way smoother. You know, you can ride at a higher speed, right? You can bring it down and slow. I'm gonna send you some videos. You're gonna be very. Oh, you're gonna be very pleased with the work. You know, a lot of people don't know about standard breads because they said they. They do a lot. You can do jumping with them, but you also can teach them what we do as single foot, you know, speed, speed, rack and single foot. I'm gonna teach you about that. Yeah? Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (22:34)

Okay.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (22:35)

Yeah, yeah.

Devin White (22:35)

I'm gonna put you on. You know, I might.

Shannon Sharpe (22:37)

A new client.

Devin White (22:38)

See what I'm saying?

Shannon Sharpe (22:38)

You. You gotta. So how many horses do you own now?

Devin White (22:42)

About 60.

Shannon Sharpe (22:43)

Some 60.

Devin White (22:45)

But I'm in the business, though. I'm in the business. I'm running the business.

Shannon Sharpe (22:47)

Okay. Okay. Oh, so you breathe, sell and all that other stuff?

Devin White (22:50)

Oh, yeah, I'm doing it for real. I got a whole. Get Live Stables, llc. We doing it for real.

Shannon Sharpe (22:55)

So do you have. Do you have any pulling horses, Shs. Anything like that?

Devin White (22:59)

Nah, we just got straight. Like I said, the buggy horses with the armies world, I got the pleasure horses that I do. And then obviously, we got the. The race horses on the track that's pulling the buggy.

Shannon Sharpe (23:11)

But they. They.

Devin White (23:11)

They racing. They racing on.

Shannon Sharpe (23:13)

Oh, you got them like. Like y. Y.

Devin White (23:16)

He got the same horse. Th. Bread. Yeah, yeah, There you go.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (23:18)

Hey, man. Hey, you know what? That give me a good idea since you got horses Christmas coming up. My daughter loves horses. So you know what I'm gonna do?

Devin White (23:27)

We're gonna put it in the game. We're gonna talk on the back line. We call it the back line. You know, we're gonna put all the business on front street.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (23:33)

I'll let your boy.

Devin White (23:35)

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Shannon Sharpe (23:36)

Are you gonna. Are you gonna get the fairbreds? Maybe get to the Derby or something, man?

Devin White (23:40)

Well, Max won't win. I told Max, let me get this next contract. We can. We can do something.

Shannon Sharpe (23:46)

We can do something. I mean, to get some good bloodline. They go, you know, hey, you got to come out. You got to come out a millie or two.

Devin White (23:52)

Oh, yeah. Hey, man, he making 35 a year. He got it. I'm gonna just. I'm gonna just make. I'm oversee everything, you know, I'm a big department. Make sure he don't get screwed nowhere. We'll be at the derby in about two or three years. Check us out.

Shannon Sharpe (24:07)

Have you ever been to the Derby?

Devin White (24:08)

Nah, I never been. I just told him, man, if I go, I want to host it one year. They let Von Miller host it, and he do chickens. He don't do horses. So I felt disrespected because I'm a real horse.

Shannon Sharpe (24:17)

That should have been your call.

Devin White (24:18)

Yeah, that should have been me. So whenever they let me host it, I'll be there because I can talk about them, you know, I can give you a live update on what they doing. I actually did it when I first came out at the New Orleans track, and I think I did a good job, man. I put the suit on and everything, so I'm ready to take that next step. So if y' all see this, invite me to the Derby, you know, and I got y'. All. It's gonna be a great experience because I actually know horses, and I'm. And I'm an athlete myself.

Shannon Sharpe (24:45)

So let's talk about your. Your college. Lsu. You good? You. You think you guys got a chance to make the College Football playoff? Can y' all win the sec?

Devin White (24:53)

Yeah, I think we do, man. We gotta. We got a real good defense, man. We get our quarterback healthy, you know, Obviously, he. He was one of the best quarterbacks going into this thing, but kind of balance some injuries, but I think he gonna shake back and, you know, he gonna get us back on track. But as long as our defense keep getting turnovers and holding people out, then we're gonna be pretty good, man.

Shannon Sharpe (25:13)

Well, Devin, man, congratulations on your journey, man. Look, if things don't always. Look, God don't make no mistakes. He put you. You went through what you went through. You're stronger for it. I'm happy for you. Continue success, stay healthy.

Devin White (25:26)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (25:27)

You know, when you stay healthy and keep doing what you're doing, you know what's on the other side, man.

Devin White (25:30)

I'm trying to get one of them. Them gold things, man. That's all that's important to me, man. Hey, that's all that's important to me that we play this game for, man. All the other stuff gonna come. We already been blessed tremendously, you know what I'm saying? Just gonna keep having fun and making sure we doing things the right way, man.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (25:46)

So.

Devin White (25:46)

I appreciate y' all for having me, man.

Shannon Sharpe (25:48)

Yeah. You don't have any other. Other animals? You don't have anything else? Chicken? Pigs? Just.

Devin White (25:53)

Just. No, man, No. I just do horses, man. I got dogs, but, man, they just.

Shannon Sharpe (25:57)

What kind of dogs you got?

Devin White (25:58)

I got blue hillas. I got blue hills.

Shannon Sharpe (26:00)

Okay.

Devin White (26:01)

Australian cattle dog, so. And I just got them for company, bro. I don't even work them. I just got them just to have company on the form, because I got, like, 80 acres back in Louisiana, and this off season, I plan on buying, like, a hundred, another hundred. That's not too far. And, man, that's what I do, man. I like being where it's peaceful at. And I still got my land in Florida, too. I go out there and train, and I got a barn out there in Odessa on the backside of Tampa, and I go out there train, taking horses and enjoy myself out there in the summertime as well. So even though, you know, they got rid of me in Tampa, I still got my.

Shannon Sharpe (26:35)

You still got roots there. You still got roots.

Devin White (26:37)

Still got my roots there.

Shannon Sharpe (26:39)

All right, man. Congratulations on all your success. Stay healthy, man, and come back and talk to us again.

Devin White (26:44)

Dale, I appreciate you, man.

Shannon Sharpe (26:46)

Appreciate you. Devin White, linebacker for the Las Vegas Raiders. I misspoke earlier. What's the dude name? Nick Bosa was defensive rookie of the year the year they came out okay. But he had. He was off to an unbelievable start. Ocho, he was. He was. He's still. And he's he's, he's starting to look back and as I watching the Raiders, he's starting to look again like the Devin White that you remember when he was when he first got to Tampa. Sudden, impactful, you know, dropping in the coverage and blitzing the linebacker. He's getting back to that Devin White, and I'm glad to see, I'm glad to see him find a home being. I think grantham is the D.C. and Pete Carol, both defensive guys, understand how to use linebackers and coverage and disguise things. So damn. Congratulations.

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Caleb Williams says he and Troy Aikman didn't have their usual production meeting before Monday night game. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. Did you meet with Troy last week.

Patrick Beverley (30:03)

Leading up to the game?

Caleb Williams (30:04)

I did not. I did not. I didn't get to meet with him. Tried to meet with him and then, you know, you know, reached out and tried to meet and you know that didn't, that didn't, that didn't happen. And so, you know, moved on from it went, played the game and came out 3 and 2.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (30:21)

Why did you not meet?

Caleb Williams (30:23)

I was here late and Tim didn't meet up. Lifting or whatever the case may have been and then tried to call him after the game and, or not after the game. After, after the day. That day that, you know, I was supposed to meet with him and it didn't, didn't, didn't get through.

Shannon Sharpe (30:41)

Ocho. The Internet picked up on this especially. I don't listen to the sound. So maybe you heard that he, that Troy was very tough on Caleb Williams.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (30:51)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (30:51)

Is this something or is this nothing?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (30:54)

No, I think it's nothing. I think, I think, I think it's nothing. Just the fact that he wasn't available and didn't make it to the time when they were scheduled to meet because of prior obligations. I'm assuming that Kaylin Williams might have had with the team. I'm sure like he did just say he was lifting. So whatever he was doing, he, he had prior, prior, prior obligations. But I'm assuming they had a time they were supposed to meet and it just didn't happen. And due to that, I'm sure Troy was a little bit more, a little bit more heavy on him. Game time because of his, because of his absence.

Shannon Sharpe (31:30)

Yeah, look, I don't think it's going to be no issue before, but it's very, it's very, it's very rare that the quarterback does not do production. Meeting is rare. Almost un. Unheard of because that is the one guy. Because guess what? They might, look, they might talk to Miles Gary and they're going to talk to this and they're going to talk to that, but you got to talk to the quarterback. Everybody always talk to the quarterback. No matter how good, bad or indifferent he is, they grab the quarterback and the quarterback normally make themselves available. Now, is it something moving forward?

Devin White (32:05)

No.

Shannon Sharpe (32:06)

But was it something, Is there a situation that made like you know what you want to be and this is what you have to guard against Ocho, this is why I said I don't want to call games. Because if you're not, if you're not careful, guess what? They won't send the player to do production meeting with you.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (32:18)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (32:20)

You see, doing, do what I do. I'm not really, you know, hey, I don't really need you to do my job.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (32:28)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (32:28)

It's kind of hard if you hard on guys and guys don't show up. You just imagine, okay, you go to Kansas City and you can't get Patrick Mahomes, you can't get a Chris Jones, you can't get Travis Kelsey.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (32:40)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (32:41)

Okay, you go to the Cowboys and you can't get CD and you can't get Dak. Okay, now what?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (32:49)

Yeah, that's, that's tough. That's tough.

Shannon Sharpe (32:51)

It makes, it makes you. Do I think it's going to be something? Do I think? Look, they kind of send a message. Okay, bro, you a little harsh now, but look, I like Caleb. I think Ben Johnson is going to do great for him. He's got even from the first time, the first game to now, you can see him getting better and better.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (33:09)

Absolutely.

Shannon Sharpe (33:09)

If you watch, if you're watching and you understand, you know the game, if you can't see that Caleb Williams is getting better and better. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't know what, I don't know what to tell you.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (33:19)

Listen, I told you, I told you, I told you and the fan, the fact that they played in a monsoon in, in, in conditions that you don't really want to play in and you still look the way you look, still happen to come back and win the game.

Shannon Sharpe (33:35)

Yep. Keep stacking them, Keep stacking them. Keep stacking. Like I said, I, I, I didn't, I don't, I don't listen to the sound. So I don't know what Troy said. I don't know because I, I, I don't need to listen to the sound because I don't want what someone else said to creep into my thoughts and then I regurgitate what some, all you do it is listen. No, you hear me say something. That's my thoughts now. Somewhere I'm not Saying that. Only that everything that I say is unique and nobody else might not have said or referenced what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying. But I'm saying I don't really. I don't. I don't want someone else's thoughts to creep into my head or Joe. I want to have my own individual thoughts. And I think the best way for me to do that is not listen to the sound.

Devin White (34:23)

Yeah.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (34:23)

Yeah, you're right, but.

Shannon Sharpe (34:24)

You're right, but look, I think Caleb Williams is playing very well. I think Troy. Look, Troy is very candid. Now. He one of those guys. He played a position. He played at a high level.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (34:34)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (34:35)

He won Super Bowls. He's a Super bowl mvp. He's got a gold jacket. So he. I mean, Troy is one of those guys. I mean, you know, he. He'll glaze a little bit, but for the most part, he gonna give you his honest, honest take.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (34:46)

He gonna tell it like it is.

Shannon Sharpe (34:48)

Yes.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (34:52)

You gonna tell it like it is.

Shannon Sharpe (34:54)

Oh, yo. Pat Bev goes off and blames the Lakers for Russell Westbrook being jobless. Now, he does have a job now. He had just signed, I think, today with the Sacramento Kings. Here's Pat Bev talking about how crazy it is Russ not having a job.

Patrick Beverley (35:11)

It's up. What happened to Rush, bro? Oh, God. It's that. What happened to Russ. And Russ got a bad take because of that Lakers team. That's the truth, bro. That's the truth. You talk to T. Lou. T. Lou did interview with.

Shannon Sharpe (35:23)

I love Russ.

Patrick Beverley (35:24)

Ever since Russ left the Lakers, bro, he's been on a minimum, bro. We've never seen this ever. We've never seen a player who's been an mvp, who's impacted the game, who. They call them names and tell me he can't shoot. Go to the playoffs, shoot 40% with the Clippers the very next year, Right? Take a less demeaning role with the Lakers. Take a less demeaning role with the Clippers. He's been a six man ever since he's left the Lakers. He's a starting point guard in the NBA. He's arguably one of the top three point guards to ever play the game. You tell me this man can't get on the team. All because he's. Because he's passionate. All because he.

Shannon Sharpe (36:00)

He.

Patrick Beverley (36:01)

He stretches with the team every single practice. All because if it's a team out and he's there all the time, all because if you talk to anyone around the league, Russ is the best teammate I ever have. I talked to Paul George.

Shannon Sharpe (36:11)

Ap. You go, hey, Pat, you go. Love Russ.

Patrick Beverley (36:14)

Austin, Reeves, Russell. Russberg was best of teammate, one of the best teammates I ever had. What the are we talking about? Why isn't this man on the team?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (36:24)

Hey, but that's tough down, especially when it comes to back when it comes to basketball stuff, especially situations like that. Regardless of your athletes, regardless of your resume, regardless of what you have done, you have to how Pat Bev feels about Russ and how his other teammates feel about him. You need the owners, you need the ones who write the checks to feel that way.

Shannon Sharpe (36:42)

The right guys running the team.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (36:44)

You need. That's. That's who you need to feel that way. And most of the time they never do. They never do. When they feel they can get some type of production from someone else, give someone else a chance. I mean that. That's the nature of the business. It happens in football, it happens in baseball, it happens in basketball. It happens in all sports to some of the better players. Regardless of resume, regardless of what they accomplished in the past, there comes a time where they will pass you up regardless of what you've done. Because that's, that's. That's why it's called business.

Shannon Sharpe (37:20)

I. I'm trying to figure out. He says it's the Lakers. Okay. Cleveland, Baker Mayfield. He's with Cleveland.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (37:28)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (37:29)

And I'm sure Cleveland says some bad things about Baker Mayfield. What's Baker Mayfield doing now?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (37:34)

Hey. Cutting up.

Shannon Sharpe (37:35)

Okay. The Lakers, he said. Oh, he said, this man has been a six man and T. Lou, my guy, T. Luke, say, I love Russ. Why would. Why didn't they sign him back? He declined the option with the Nuggets. So are we not gonna. He mentioned Russ shot 40 from the three. So are we going to take an outlier season or are we going to talk take about what he's done his career in the playoffs from the three point line. So I'm just figuring out how the Lakers keep taking the blame. Okay. He went to Utah. Utah bought him out. He goes to the Clippers. Clippers could have resigned him after that year. They didn't. He goes to the Nuggets. They have an option. He has an option for three and a half, $4 million. Whatever the case was.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (38:23)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (38:23)

He declined the option. They move on. How is that the Lakers fault? I was. I was. When the Lakers. When I heard, when I first started hearing rumors, I said, this is a bad deal. I said, LeBron and Russ won't work together.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (38:39)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (38:39)

They both need the Ball, and it just won't work. Neither one of the guys are catch and shoot. LeBron needs shooters, Russ needs shooters. So it's not going to work. But I'm just trying to figure out how. How. How it's everybody's fault. Russ is not. He's. He's turnover prone. He's not a great shooter. He's not a great defender. Yeah, he's an energy guy. He's going to play hard all the time.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (39:06)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (39:07)

But at this stage of his career, he's not what he once was.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (39:16)

Damn.

Shannon Sharpe (39:16)

I mean, it. It happens. But how is that. I'm just trying to figure out, how is it the Lakers fault? Do you not think. You think people like, oh, the Lakers said, russ can't play. Oh, so we better not get him? I'm sure they said, so. What about Baker? He went from Cleveland. He went to Carolina. He went to the Rams. That's three teams. Tampa, say, okay, come on over here.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (39:44)

We got you.

Shannon Sharpe (39:49)

At this point in time, unless you still like that they're only a handful of guys that have played as long as Russ. I mean, okay, you looking at kd, are we saying Russ and Katie are the same? We look in step. Are we saying Stephen, Russ, the same? LeBron, are we saying LeBron and Russ are the same? We're talking about guys that played. I think this is 17. I think this is 17 for Steph.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (40:18)

Right?

Shannon Sharpe (40:18)

I think this is 19 for KD. Obviously, it's 23. Come on, man. Come on, y'.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (40:26)

All.

Shannon Sharpe (40:26)

Yeah, Russ is great in the community. I love what he's. What he does with his foundation. I love how hard he plays. But come on, man. Stop this, man. Y' all know Russ is not the same player that he was.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (40:37)

No, that's. That's basically. That's basically what I said. Too long. In regards to what you've done, regardless of how good you were, at some point, everything declines. And when it does decline, they don't. Yes. In the past. They don't care about what you did in the past. What can you offer me right now?

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Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (40:52)

Right now? And. And you said he. He's. He's not a great shooter. He's not a great shooter. He needs to handle the ball. So therefore, when you have issues like that, having a role on certain teams, it decreases because there's no value based on what you bring to that team. As great as he was.

Shannon Sharpe (41:13)

Let me ask you a question, Ocho. When you watch the NBA, what they do shoot threes.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (41:18)

Hey, just like the NFL. NFL. Now is A passing league, NBA, Everybody behind the arc. Everybody. Even the big men.

Shannon Sharpe (41:30)

If he. If he. If he wanted to get picked up, he could have picked up his option.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (41:34)

Right, but maybe he didn't.

Shannon Sharpe (41:35)

He could have picked up the option and stayed with the Nuggets. That's not what he wanted.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (41:40)

Yeah, maybe. Maybe he felt he got more in the open market, huh?

Shannon Sharpe (41:46)

Okay, that's what happened. So how is that the Lakers fault? That what he got on the open market? How long has it been since he was last with the Lakers? Three years. And the Lakers are still being held accountable for Russ? Yeah, it didn't work. For whatever reason, it didn't work. It. That is not the first trade that a team has made that didn't work. I can assure you it will not be the last trade that teams make that don't work.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (42:18)

Right, right.

Shannon Sharpe (42:19)

But we can't keep holding the teams responsible because like I said, I love T. Loop. But T. Lou say, I love Russ. They didn't resign him. Why? When he opted out, the Nuggets could have came back and says, okay, that 3.4 is not enough. We got 5.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (42:40)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (42:41)

They didn't resign him.

Cam Jordan (42:42)

Why?

Shannon Sharpe (42:45)

So I guess they taking. They taking the Lakers. So if that's the case, why did the Clipper sign him? If that's the case, why did the Nuggets. Nuggets sign it?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (42:54)

Right. That's some bull drive, man. I love. I love. I love Russ, too, boy.

Shannon Sharpe (43:01)

Well, you got, you know.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (43:02)

Hey, Russ.

Shannon Sharpe (43:03)

Russ reminded me a different type of game now. Ocho.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (43:05)

Yeah, you right. You right. You know, Russ remind me. Russell Westbrook ain't no. Ain't no. In just the foot. The basketball version of Steve Smith. Basketball version of Steve Smith Senior. I don't know. I always, always play that last play.

Shannon Sharpe (43:23)

For the lakers with the 23. Because he left the Lakers and went. 23. And then during that summer. But they traded him to. Didn't they trade him? Did they trade him? Lakers traded him. Right. To the Utah who bought him out, then went to the Clippers. I guess Utah don't want good players. I guess the Clippers don't want good players. I guess the Nuggets don't want good players. Russ is the first. Russ is a top 75 player of all time.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (44:13)

He's a hall of Famer.

Shannon Sharpe (44:14)

Russ is the first ballot hall of Famer.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (44:16)

Easy.

Shannon Sharpe (44:18)

Two things can be true, though. He's not the same player. He's turnover prone. He doesn't play great defense. He's not a shooter.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (44:29)

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa. He don't play great defense.

Shannon Sharpe (44:33)

No, he doesn't. Think about it. OkC Then he went to the Rockets, the Wizards, the Lakers, Utah, the Clippers, the Nuggets. Not the Kings.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (45:05)

Damn. That happens.

Shannon Sharpe (45:07)

It doesn't take away from what he's done. He's a, what, nine, ten time all Star. He's an all NBA player, what, three, four seasons of triple doubles? He did that All Star game, mvp. He's done that. Yeah, twice. But Ocho, I don't base. I base. Okay? I signed a player today. What can he do moving forward? I can't do anything about that.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (45:34)

Right. You're not signing for the past.

Shannon Sharpe (45:38)

I'm not signing for the past. I'm signing for the future.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (45:41)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (45:43)

And it's okay if you play long enough. It'll happen to everybody.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (45:48)

Yeah, it's happened to some of the best. It's happened to some of the best.

Shannon Sharpe (45:56)

I just don't get how we just gonna keep. No, I don't look like I said that. For me, I didn't think. I didn't think it was gonna work. With LeBron and Russ, it was one of the few times that I've been very vocal, like, nah, it ain't gonna work. But y' all keep saying, you know, oh, Shannon don't like Russ. Don't. It seemed like the Clippers didn't like him either. Are you taught? Utah bought him out. So y' all keep talking about with Shannon. What about the teams that says, you know what? We're good. Did that. Got any. That has anything. Any ro. Did that play? Does that play any role? T. Sh. I can assure you these teams are not listening to what Shannon Sharp saying on his podcast. Every player, every basketball player that I've talked to hold Russ in very, very high regard. Yeah, he's a consummate pro. He plays extremely hard. He's very, very philanthropic. Gives back to his community. He's very engaged in the community, and that's great. But these teams, like, okay, how much can he help us win or compete for a title? That's what it comes down to. It ain't got nothing to do with no Lakers. Ain't got nothing to do about what he does. What he's done in the past. Teams are signing guys now. What I believe he can help us do in the future, and I believe if teams thought Russ could really help them, somebody would assign him to a deal sooner. Well, clearly, the. The Kings like, well, we need a backup. We need a point guard. Backup point guard, and we'll see they got Schroeder. They got a couple of guys that was on the Laker. They got Schroeder, they got Malik, Monk, not Russ. We'll see how well they can blend that. I don't even know who the coach is for the Kings. Oh, Doug Christie. Yeah, he was the inter and ended up taking over. He took over. Mike Brown in the interim, ended up getting the job. So. Eighteen, eighteen. Let me, Ocho. If somebody would have told Russ, hey, Russ, you're gonna be able to play coming out, we'll let you play 17 years. You think Russia? Nah, I gotta play 20.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (48:24)

Nah.

Shannon Sharpe (48:25)

Somebody tell you, Ocho, we're gonna let you play 10 years. That's. We're gonna let you. We're gonna give you 10 years in the NFL. What you gonna say? Nah, I need 12, 13. Huh? You get the first year, then you say, man, boy, if I get me five. And then once you get to five, you say, Boy, if I can just get a 10. Yeah. And then once you get the 10, you take a year at a time.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (48:45)

Yeah, that's it.

Shannon Sharpe (48:47)

You take a year at a time. Russ got 18 years. You're gonna get 18 years in the NBA.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (48:54)

That's a beautiful.

Shannon Sharpe (48:54)

Ain't a whole lot of guys got 18 years in the league.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (48:57)

No, no. Hey, some people you get to say when you want to go and some they'll force them force you out.

Shannon Sharpe (49:07)

Yes.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (49:08)

You're very fortunate if you have in a position to be able to lead a game when you want to.

Shannon Sharpe (49:15)

Well, the thing is, Ocho is the goal before they're ready to get rid of your ass.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (49:19)

Right? Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (49:20)

That's the key.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (49:20)

It's all about being self. Aware.

Shannon Sharpe (49:23)

That's the key.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (49:23)

It's all about being self aware.

Shannon Sharpe (49:25)

Because eventually it don't matter. Eventually they gonna want you to go.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (49:30)

Yeah. Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (49:31)

The question is, do they hold the door open for you or you walk out on your own.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (49:44)

Damn. And I'm happy.

Shannon Sharpe (49:46)

Look. Huh? Go ahead.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (49:47)

I was gonna say, I have to disagree too. I mean, watching Russ, he could play defense. I had to come back to that one.

Shannon Sharpe (49:55)

Okay. According to Sean, LeBron is planning to take a patient approach with his injury and expected to return around mid November. The Lakers open the season October 21st. LA has 15 games between October 21st and November 18th before going on a four day break and then visiting the Utah Jazz November 23rd. What you think, Ocho?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (50:22)

LeBron is in year what, 21 3. God damn.

Shannon Sharpe (50:29)

Be 41 December 30th.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (50:30)

Yeah. LeBron is in year 23. 40 some years old. Wait, 30, 38. How old is he?

Shannon Sharpe (50:39)

He'll be 41.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (50:40)

God damn. Listen, take all the time you need. Take all the time you need. Luca is gonna carry the torch for right now.

Shannon Sharpe (50:51)

Should be more than enough offensively.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (50:53)

Yeah. You'll be fine. You'll be fine.

Devin White (50:56)

We don't.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (50:56)

We don't need. We don't need. We know what you can do. We know what you could do. You heal up, come back and make sure you're 100. We gonna be all right. We're gonna hold the fort down till you ready.

Shannon Sharpe (51:07)

Or Joe, as you get older.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (51:09)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (51:09)

You just don't recover like you once could.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (51:11)

Or not. Not as fast.

Shannon Sharpe (51:14)

An injury that would keep you down a week, keep your ass down two weeks to a month. An injury that would keep your ass down a month will keep you down two, three months.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (51:23)

Hey, what's hurt? What's hurt on him?

Shannon Sharpe (51:25)

You know, I think he did something in his glute.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (51:27)

His glue. Oh, man. I got me.

Shannon Sharpe (51:31)

Hey, LeBron something. Sciatica. Yeah. What is it, man? Get an epidural.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (51:39)

It's his glue.

Shannon Sharpe (51:41)

He says it's sciatica, but it's. It's pulsating in his glute.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (51:45)

Oh, man. I know how, dog. Hey, LeBron hit your boy, man. I got something for that, man.

Shannon Sharpe (51:53)

Yeah, huh? An epidural.

Devin White (51:56)

Now.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (51:56)

He'll need no epidural. Get you some witch hazel. Huh?

Shannon Sharpe (52:00)

You hear me, man? What you trying to do, Take off makeup?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (52:03)

No, no. I try to take off. No makeup. Get you some witches.

Shannon Sharpe (52:06)

Witch hazel gonna do, man.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (52:08)

Listen. You listen. I got the key. I got the cure for that. Get you some witch hazel and some mayonnaise. I'm telling you, I. I had. I had something like that, too. Get you some witch hazel, some mayonnaise. Shh, man, plea. Boy, I had you back. I had you back in no time.

Shannon Sharpe (52:23)

LeBron telling you it's gotta be pretty severe. Cause they started when they start when they start camp, like. Like two weeks ago. So he's gonna miss two months, basically. Two months, God damn.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (52:40)

That mean it's serious? Cause LeBron's not one to miss no time.

Shannon Sharpe (52:43)

Nope.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (52:44)

And he's not injury prone.

Shannon Sharpe (52:46)

You definitely try to miss no time now, Ocho, because you got left less of it.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (52:49)

Right, right.

Shannon Sharpe (52:51)

That's the thing, see, when you're young. Oh, I do that tomorrow. If you notice, as people start to get older, Ocho, they do less and less procrastinating. Oh, yeah. Because you realize you got less and less time Time.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (53:03)

Yeah, you're right.

Shannon Sharpe (53:05)

See, when you young, you like, man, I. Man, I could do that tomorrow. I got this. I got that. You start to get over. You start to come to the realization, I ain't promised tomorrow.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (53:13)

Nah, ain't no. Hey, you showing.

Shannon Sharpe (53:16)

I don't see nowhere where he say, hey, I got you. Don't worry about it. You can do that tomorrow. Nah, let me go and do that today. Damn.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (53:29)

Two months.

Shannon Sharpe (53:31)

Well, that's how I could not play with. I had it. Yeah, ain't no boy.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (53:37)

Hey, you got to excuse me. You got to excuse me. In my ignorance, the fact that my black ass ain't never been hurt. You got to tell me what the hell is a sciatica?

Shannon Sharpe (53:46)

It's a nerve that runs down this. I mean, it'll cause pain. It'll cause your little leg to go numb, right? You ever. You woke up, Ben sleep, Ocho, you try to get out of bed and your foot numb, your leg numb, your foot. You can't even walk like you got cleft, like you got a club foot.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (54:04)

Okay?

Shannon Sharpe (54:04)

It'll cause that, man. Oh, boy. Boy, have you sitting like this here in the chair, man. What's wrong with you? Nothing bad. Whatever. Hey, Ocho, have you walking sideways?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (54:19)

Yeah. All right. That's messed up.

Shannon Sharpe (54:20)

Anybody that's ever had a sciatica. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (54:25)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (54:25)

I'm talking about that thing to have your boy. That make you cry.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (54:29)

Man, I went. I went to go. I went to go watch my son today. You know, he played G. He played JV for Miami, New Orleans, and, you know, I am. I just. I've just been through life. It might. It must have been God's will went played in the NFL. I've never been hurt. I go watch him to play today. One of the few Wednesdays I've been off and didn't have to travel anywhere. He get hurt. He done broke his clavicle. We get. We get to. We go to the hospital. So he get hurt. He come to the sideline. I'm on the game. I'm watching the game on the sideline. I say, man, nothing wrong with you. Ain't number little great grade one AC sprain, man. Go ahead and get back in the game, man. I can't move my arm. I can't move my shoulder. So, you know, kids, freshman in high school, you think they playing around. You think you really haven't felt pain like that before? So I'm like, come on, man. Come on, now. Stop being soft, man. We go, we go. We leave the game. We go get an X ray, man. And broke his clavicle.

Shannon Sharpe (55:29)

Come on.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (55:30)

He talking about. Hey, hold on. After that. I gotta go to school tomorrow. Still.

Shannon Sharpe (55:38)

Ain't nothing wrong with your leg. Ain't nothing wrong with your body. Hell yeah, you gotta go to school. Hey, just hoping. Is it left or right? It all depends if he left or right hand. It's gonna be. Might be tough for him to write.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (55:49)

He shot. No, it's his. It's his. It's his left shoulder, right hand.

Shannon Sharpe (55:52)

He be good. You straight.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (55:53)

Unless his mama say you going straight to school. I know, I know. He might be up. Savvy? Get up. Go to sleep. Yes. You're going to school.

Shannon Sharpe (56:04)

All right, guys, we're gonna get you out on this one. It's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Samuel Legrand said Pat Bell might as well blame Skip while he added he cornered the name Russell Westbrook. He did indeed. Sauce to say. With Braun not returning until November or December, do you think he could possibly request a trade or finish his career at a purple and gold? LeBron is one of the two player, one of the few players that have a no trade contract. Well, he's going nowhere unless he wants to go.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (56:46)

He can pull that off. Not everybody has that type of what's up?

Shannon Sharpe (56:49)

No, I think there's only two people that have no trade.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (56:51)

That kind of power.

Shannon Sharpe (56:53)

Oh, him. Bradley be away his.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (56:56)

Wait, how did. How did he get in a position to be able to. Never mind. Let me. Let me stay out of basketball business.

Shannon Sharpe (57:06)

People talk about, we the Lakers never. No, you. No, you didn't want it. The Lakers did. Y' all remember what the Lakers was like when Kobe was injured in Kobe's last couple years. Y' all know what it was like. I love how the Lakers pretend like, oh, they were winning. We was gonna do. No, you wasn't. You couldn't get anybody. You couldn't. You couldn't. Y' all need to stop this. Laker fans, y' all knew what it was like when Kobe was hurt and y' all was pretending you couldn't get a free agent. Remember lamarcus Aldridge turned you down. You remember Dwight Howard didn't re. Sign with you. So I'm just trying to figure out who you was getting. You couldn't even get top free agents to come even when you had Kobe. So again, I ask in the most humble way I know how, who are you getting? Oh, LeBron only won one championship. How many championships did you win from 2010? From. From when cold. From when Kobe won that last championship until LeBron won that. How many years was in between that? Win the last title in 2010. Couple retired in 2016. Right. So how many, how many playoff wins did your guys have from 2010 to 2016? How many, how many. How many times did you even go to the playoffs? Interesting. Very interesting. No, look, I don't know. Do I think LeBron's gonna request. Request a trade? I don't. But if he's injured this year, this will be his last year.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (59:03)

Damn.

Shannon Sharpe (59:06)

I mean, everybody. Everybody wants to go Ocho. Everybody wants to go out. Everybody wants to go out their way. I want to go out Ocho. It'd be great if I could go out and win a championship like John Elwell.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (59:16)

Like the bus, right?

Shannon Sharpe (59:17)

The bus stopped in Detroit. He from Detroit. Or win like Strahan and walk off into the sunset. Everybody don't get that. Everybody don't get that.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (59:27)

Yeah, you right. You're right.

Shannon Sharpe (59:29)

And if somebody would have told LeBron, hey, it's 18, bro. 23. No players ever played 23, let alone played it. First of all, no player. I mean, Vince, Vince played 22, but Vince was averaging, what, five points a game? LeBron average 24 and a half. Seven and a half. Eight.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (59:50)

That's crazy. That's how I know he's not retiring despite him being hurt right now. Huh?

Shannon Sharpe (59:53)

Yeah. So to play it, to be a full time starter. The man was a full time starter, right?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (60:01)

Oh, that's crazy.

Shannon Sharpe (60:03)

Bpp. You guys are great. You. You guys are great players are great players. Great regardless where they are. Or does landing matter? It definitely helps. I mean, you need teammates, you need great. You need coaching. But had Michael Jordan not got Phil Jackson, would Michael Jordan still not be great? We might not look at him saying he might not have the amount of championships. He might not have any. We don't know.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (60:30)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (60:30)

But before he got. Before he got Phil, was he not flying through the air? Was he not Air Jordan before Phil got there? We don't. We don't know how soon you get there with Tom. Had he not. Had he had a different coach than Coach Belichick? We don't know. We just know he had Coach Belichick. He left Coach Belichick and he won another one. That's. That's what we know.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (60:58)

Yep. What happens if he wasn't. What if he didn't get drafted by New England?

Shannon Sharpe (61:02)

We don't. We don't know.

Devin White (61:03)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (61:03)

They kept Tom. They kept four quarterbacks because they saw something where he's not ready to play right now. But I don't. I think we should just hold on to it and let him get. Let him get reps, work on things, and he was able to get better. Yeah, and better put him in the pantheon. Kemper Norwood Jr. Said, For tomorrow night game, I'm rolling with the Steelers. Sorry, Ocho. I love you, though. Me, too.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (61:30)

Well, y' all rolling with who?

Shannon Sharpe (61:32)

Steelers.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (61:33)

Oh, I mean, that's fine. Listen, in. In life, everybody has a choice. It might not be the right one, but it's the one that they want. And that. That's. That's. That's something you got. You guys decide to do. May God be with you.

Shannon Sharpe (61:50)

Drew said, oh, when you gonna own up and say I was wrong about Baker? You called that man a bus. That was then. So people not allowed to change. I was poor. I got out of that situation. So let me ask you a question. If he stays in Cleveland, is he still this B. Is he the MVP discussion? Drew, I'm just going to ask. If he stays in Cleveland or if he stays in Carolina, is he still this player? No, he.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (62:25)

He.

Shannon Sharpe (62:25)

They. Look, the guy went first overall. He gotta have some talent. Damn. Yeah, he went first overall. The Cleveland situation, he was tired of Cleveland. They were tired of him. They didn't like his leadership style. He didn't like the way they wanted him to lead. He needed to go somewhere where he could be Baker Mayfield, but he also needed to be surrounded by outstanding offensive talent. Yes, he was devoid of that in Cleveland. So there are a lot of extenuating circumstances that led us to be this Baker Mayfield. No, he's not a bus. He went to a Pro Bowl. So that in and of itself, like, he wasn't a bus, but he was not living up to the number one overall draft pick in Cleveland. Now, you understand why Cleveland took him. They just weren't able to surround him with talent like a Chris Godwin, like a Mecca Abuka, like a. A Mike Evans, like a Kate Otten. He didn't have that. Yeah, y' all make it seem like, oh, he's the same player. He had the same talent in Cleveland. Really? You think Cleveland would have got rid of Baker Mayfield if he had this exact same talent in Cleveland and playing the way he is in Tampa?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (63:50)

He has some nice pieces over there, but nothing like now.

Shannon Sharpe (63:54)

I mean, Odell wasn't. Odell had came off those injuries. Ocho, remember he tore his knee. You remember he. To get him, he had broke his leg in New York. He wasn't the same. You need years to recover from that. Ocho. Now he has started to round back in the round back and started to look like the Odell. When he got to the Rams that back half. When he got to the Rams those last two or three games in the playoffs up until that super bowl, he started to look like Odell. You single him, he was eating because that was. Remember that the same year that Cooper cup had that triple crown. So people was giving all their attention to Cooper. Now Odell got to eat. Baker's playing phenomenal and I'm happy for him. Unfortunately, Cleveland doesn't get to reap the benefits. Yo, Dutch. What's up? Joe here. I would like y' all to give my 9 year old son Lil Antoine a happy birthday. Shout out downtown Buffalo Pass nation. Antoine, happy 9th birthday.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (65:08)

Happy 9th birthday, Twan.

Shannon Sharpe (65:10)

What? What are you gonna. What? What are you gonna. What are you gonna. Nine year old? What's a gift for a nine year old?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (65:14)

A nine year old PlayStation.

Shannon Sharpe (65:16)

Xbox.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (65:16)

A PlayStation Xbox. Matter of fact, billing the gaming rig. A gaming rig? Billy McGaming rig.

Shannon Sharpe (65:24)

That's what's a gaming rig.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (65:26)

A PC. PC. Two monitors, TV up.

Shannon Sharpe (65:30)

Oh, oh, so you could like. Like you can game and stuff.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (65:32)

So. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (65:33)

Okay, hold on. Help me out on your damn.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (65:36)

Yeah, start. You start them early. Start them early. It ain't gonna cost really. Ain't really cost nothing.

Shannon Sharpe (65:41)

What's nothing? 500.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (65:43)

About 5,900.

Shannon Sharpe (65:47)

Yeah. I sure wish I had me a game, Ms. Stacia. You get one of them on high chairs.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (65:52)

I like this. Like this.

Shannon Sharpe (65:54)

Oh, the chair like that. Yes, it's a gaming chair with monitors. Like, like two or three monitors.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (66:00)

Yeah. Right in front of you. Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (66:04)

Oh, so I can have my number on the back of that. That too, huh?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (66:07)

Yeah. You get your nice little chair. Put the 84 on the back of there. Get your. Get your orange chair. You know, the little Denver Bronco chair, the theme.

Shannon Sharpe (66:17)

You said I get that whole setup for about 5,900, huh?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (66:19)

Oh, yeah, absolutely. I wish I could turn my camera around and so I can. So I can show you.

Shannon Sharpe (66:25)

That'd be so interesting. If I can get about 5,900. Bye. Sure. Give me a little game room. Have me a nice little gaming room.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (66:31)

But the funny thing, you don't need it because you don't game.

Shannon Sharpe (66:34)

I can't because I ain't got no money to buy no gaming station.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (66:38)

I mean, but you weren't you won gaming before, so you won.

Shannon Sharpe (66:41)

Yeah, Jordan said he gonna. He built it for. But Jordan, like, you know, Jordan good with computers. Jordan hooked that thing up.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (66:45)

Oh, so yeah, Jordan already know. Jordan already know. So yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (66:51)

So in other words, I could be on there so when my gaming station. I could be on there playing against Kai or show. I show speed halls get speed hunt.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (67:00)

Yeah, but you told me you. Yeah, you. But you've never played video games before, so, I mean, you wouldn't start talking.

Shannon Sharpe (67:06)

Cause I ain't got no. I ain't got no setup.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (67:09)

Well, how you would have had a setup before if you was a real gamer?

Shannon Sharpe (67:13)

If I'd have 5,900, I could.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (67:15)

I mean, you want. Don't nobody start gaming in their 50s, though. See, I've been doing. I've been doing this since I was nine.

Shannon Sharpe (67:24)

I ain't have 5,900 when I was nine.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (67:27)

That's why you ain't gaming now. So there's no.

Shannon Sharpe (67:29)

I could. I mean, I want a game now, but see, you wanted to. Oh, we need to do. There's people in this space. I. I try to get this space. I think 5,900. They say I need 5,900 to get in this space.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (67:40)

I got you. I got you. Hey, I'm telling you, it's a space that nobody's touched that we can take advantage of.

Shannon Sharpe (67:47)

Well, if I get 5,900, I sure like to be in that space. Aaron Owens said, Ocho, when you dropped that monster game versus the Chargers in 06, what did it feel like to be in the zone? I was so sick. Y' all lost that game. Hold on. You had a monster game and y' all lost?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (68:02)

Yep, I had. Well, I forgot 11 for 262 TDs. That's when. That's the. That's the season. LT had the 31 touchdowns.

Shannon Sharpe (68:12)

Damn. How many he had against y'?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (68:13)

All? Shoot, probably maybe, I don't know, maybe two or three. And we was winning 21, 21. Something like zip three. 21 three. They came back and won.

Shannon Sharpe (68:23)

So you had that monster game. So now Chase broke your record last year on Thursday Night Football against the. The Ravens. So no, not only do you not have the record no more, y' all didn't even win the game.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (68:35)

I mean. I mean, I ain't got nothing to do with that.

Shannon Sharpe (68:38)

You did have something to do that you was out there.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (68:40)

Yeah, I mean, I. I did. I did my job.

Shannon Sharpe (68:42)

What's going on with you guys? The Ocho. I mean, Chase lost That game last year, too.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (68:46)

Hey, this. It's. Sometimes it happens like that, you know, all you. All you can do is. Is. Is. Is work with the hand that you're dealt. There's nothing you can do about it.

Shannon Sharpe (69:04)

I'm so, so sorry, Ocho.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (69:06)

Yeah, we gonna be all right, though.

Shannon Sharpe (69:08)

Y' all gonna be all right.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (69:09)

Yeah, we gonna be all right.

Shannon Sharpe (69:10)

Now, y' all better win that game tomorrow.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (69:12)

Are we gonna win tomorrow?

Shannon Sharpe (69:15)

Ricky? What's up? Unk and Ocho. Congrats on the awards. Keep stacking them. Got a good one for y'. All. Start. Bench. Cut. Mike Vick, Lamar Jackson, Cam Newton.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (69:27)

That's. That's for you, Unc.

Shannon Sharpe (69:36)

Man, I ain't getting rid of Vic. I'm just telling you, that Big started this. Ain't nothing like. Ain't nothing like. What year was that? The Michael Bick experience in Atlanta.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (69:52)

Unbelievable.

Shannon Sharpe (69:53)

You had to be there. You had to be a part of it.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (69:56)

Unbelievable.

Shannon Sharpe (70:00)

I ain't cutting nobody. I ain't bitching nobody. So guess what? Because I know Vic ain't coming off the field, Lamar ain't coming out the field, and Cam damn sure ain't coming out the field. Man, y' all know how Cam is. I'm gonna burn through all my time out. So come on, you gonna get back in the next play. I ain't coming out, Ricky. I'm sorry, man. I got to keep all these guys. You got to give me somebody else, man. I can't cut none of these guys. We got three MVPs and the guy that revolutionized the running quarterback. What you see with Mike. What you see with Lamar and Cam? Mike started that. Nate B. Said, hey, you going to the Aces parade on Friday? You can blend the crowd. I know you on probation. Where it going to be? Where the parade at? They on the strip? No, I'm going to a game next year. I'm going to their first game when they get them rings. Hey, Uncle Love the show. How's Brick brother Sterling doing? And he's. Is he still playing golf? He's doing well. He's recovering from eye surgery. I think he's going into his. His third week, so he had it on the 26th. So, yeah, this is about his third week, so I think he got a couple more days of laying down. He's. Yeah, he's still playing golf. Obviously, he can't play right now, but. But yes, he's still playing golf. Dark Barnes said Pickets to the Panthers paid, paired with T. Mac replacing Leguette Ocho. Said he don't want him to go to Carolina.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (71:57)

I mean, we. We didn't even mention Carolina. But I listen, the. The best fit, the best place will always be the Raiders, no matter what anybody says.

Devin White (72:05)

It's just.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (72:06)

That's where it's at.

Shannon Sharpe (72:08)

Oh, Ocho pickens to the 49ers.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (72:16)

Oh, that's a good one.

Shannon Sharpe (72:19)

Gave Vincent Cook flag in the first quarter. Five straight threes. Look, the question is, can the Lakers play defense? O Joe. Yeah, they got. Look, man, Luca gonna score 30 a game. AR gonna give you 20, so you could. You're gonna have enough to score to score the points. Question is. The question is, can you stop people?

Devin White (72:47)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (72:48)

Tino Davis pickets to the Broncos. Bills, Texas or commanders. What he got? Oh, the Bills can definitely use it. Yeah, the Bills could definitely use it. I saw what you call them. Sean McDermott had a conversation with Brady, Joe Brady about the usage of James Cook. Remember I told yo I was surprised how little they used James Cook the other night.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (73:12)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (73:15)

Well, they got Cortland Sutton. I don't think they spent that kind of money on Sut and then go get picked. I could be wrong, but, hey, Bill's got Nico Collins. I think Tank Dale comes back Commander just paid a boatload of money to McLaurin. McLaurin. I think the Bills is. It should be in the running, sir. Underscore case my guys. Ocho November 12, 2006, versus San Diego. San Diego. 11 receptions, 206 yard, two touchdowns. Can you explain your mindset that game? If Carson wouldn't have went down in that playoff game. Was anybody stopping y' all at 06? Yep.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (73:54)

Who. Who?

Shannon Sharpe (74:00)

Hold on. 06?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (74:02)

Well, who was.

Shannon Sharpe (74:02)

Who was won the Super bowl in 06.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (74:05)

Man, we was f. To beat them. What you talking about?

Shannon Sharpe (74:08)

Oh, lord. Un.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (74:09)

We opened the first play. We. The first play of the game. 60 yards down the sideline.

Shannon Sharpe (74:14)

Who caught that ball?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (74:15)

Chris Henry. Rest in peace.

Shannon Sharpe (74:18)

Yes, you're right, man.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (74:20)

That changed the whole. Changed the whole game. I'm the first play. Yeah, man. Man.

Shannon Sharpe (74:26)

Boy, chemo Van o'. Hoffing.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (74:27)

Yeah, well, we were gonna run up and down that field.

Shannon Sharpe (74:32)

Isaac Colston. Hey, Chad, can you give me a ticket to the Bengals game tomorrow, please?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (74:37)

Wait. I'm not even in town yet. I ain't even get there.

Shannon Sharpe (74:42)

Mr. International. Go Falcons. Saucy D. What all happens in production meetings? Well, they talk to them about your mindset, coming to play as you like. They ask, you know, this team is a such and such. Yeah, we got certain things. We got things that we can get to. You know, we understand that they're pressure team. They like to do a lot of zone dog. They like to play a lot of COVID one. We're expecting that. But we see some areas that we can. You know, you talk to the head coach, you talk to the quarterback, you normally talk to, you know, two, three offensive players, two or three defensive players. The coaches kind of fill in the blanks after that. That's it. Just to get a sense of the team. You know, when we talked, you know, if you all were here, we talked to them yesterday. They felt that this was something they could take advantage of. That's it. TS car washing detail service. Rest up d', Angelo, y'. All. Favorite song or story? Brown sugar.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (75:39)

Brown sugar classic. Oh, what's the one he did? Oh, what's the name of those? God, I came up with the name of this.

Shannon Sharpe (75:54)

No, no. Said we need a thug on Club Shay Shay.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (75:59)

Oh, who?

Shannon Sharpe (76:00)

A thug?

Devin White (76:02)

A thug.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (76:03)

Oh, they say the young Thug.

Shannon Sharpe (76:06)

Oh, they say we the young thug.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (76:08)

You need to sit down with Young thug.

Devin White (76:09)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (76:10)

Oh, okay. Young Thug, if you watching, come on back. Club Shay Shay.

Devin White (76:17)

That'd be.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (76:17)

Hey, that'd be a good one. Hey, thug, gonna hit you with that whoop dee doo.

Shannon Sharpe (76:26)

Glendale, best said, can I get a birthday shout out and rest in peace. My twin sister lost her battle with breast cancer. Glendale, you absolutely can. Happy birthday. Sorry it can't be more pleasant under the circumstances. Hopefully your sister is comfortable now. Hopefully, God give you strength, comfort and understanding in your time of sorrow and grief. So sorry to hear about your sister, but no, she's in a better place. She's resting and there's no more pain, no more chemo. It doesn't give you, doesn't lessen the pain. But hopefully over time, you get better with dealing with this situation. So, Glendale, happy birthday. As happy as it can be under the circumstances. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. Want to thank you guys for joining us. I'm your favorite unc, Shannon Sharp, and that is my partner and co host. That is Liberty City's own Bingo's ring of fame honoree, Pro Bowler all pro. He's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. Guys, please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and tell family, friends and loved ones to do likewise and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. We'd like to thank each and every one of you for your support and your continued support. We won awards today. We've won awards since we started Nightcap. That's all because of you. The Wards Ocho that's a million subscribers. The other is a hundred thousand subscribers. I don't know he gonna have to get a trophy shelf or case back there to put the other awards in. So we're gonna continue to can't see anything now but we want to thank each and every one of you guys for your support and your continued support. Check out my my Cognac Shade by laportier. Now if you can't find it in a city or state near you order it online. We ship it directly to your door. It's the best tasting premium bsop cognac on the market. Try it against other premium vsOps and let me know what you think. I'll put our taste up against anybody's. Smooth goes down easy and guess what? You'll like it. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Make sure you check out my media company Shay Shay Media on all of his platforms and my clothing company 84. With 84 being spelled out, that link is pinned in the chat. Nightcap one listeners choice today in both categories from Signal and I don't know we won. I think we won Gold and Club Shae Shay. I don't know what we want it for though. We want to thank our special guests for joining us, Rico Dowdle and Devin White. Really appreciate you guys joining us tonight. Continued success throughout the rest of the season. That concludes this episode. Ocho, we'll see you tomorrow night. Unfortunately, you'll be disappointed, but we'll see you guys tomorrow night. Thank you guys for joining us. Who they Ocho out one day. One day when they gonna win another game? Never. Foreign. What's up?

Cam Jordan (79:31)

It's Cam Jordan. I'm back with season three of your favorite podcast, the off the Edge with Cam Jordan podcast. Tap in every Wednesday to hear conversations with my friends and stars from the NFL, the sports world in general, and entertainment about anything from teams and players making waves to pop culture. And I'll take you inside my journey through my 15th season in the NFL. Looking forward to you joining me this season. The season of more on the off the Edge with Cam Jordan Podcast. Catch new episodes every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you.

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