Nightcap Hour 2: Kuminga ON the BENCH for Hawks + Mark Cuban has SELLERS REMORSE + Jalen Hurts NOT COACHABLE? + Puka Nacua CHECKS into REHAB

Summary

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Nightcap Hour 2: Hawks Heating Up, Cuban’s Regret, Hurts Under Fire & Puka’s Rehab

Podcast: Nightcap
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson
Date: April 2, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap is packed with candid and unfiltered takes on the NBA and NFL’s most talked-about storylines. Shannon (“Unc”) and Ocho discuss Atlanta Hawks’ playoff chances and rotations, Mark Cuban’s lament over selling the Mavericks and trading Luka Doncic, questions raised about Jalen Hurts’ coachability, and emerging star Puka Nacua’s move into rehab. Their back-and-forth is full of real talk, relatable sports metaphors, and insightful context from their days as pro athletes.

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Atlanta Hawks on the Rise and Kuminga's Role (03:52 – 15:21)

Key Points

• Hawks’ Hot Streak

  • Atlanta destroys Orlando 130–101, running their record to 17–2 over the last 19 games and climbing to 5th in the East.

• Playoff Outlook and Confidence

  • The hosts are bullish:
    • “I think they could beat anybody in the East. I really do.” (Uncle Ocho, 04:52)
    • Ocho challenges: Is that in a 7-game series? Sharpe says yes, referencing Hawks’ depth and the emergence of Jalen Johnson as a game-changer.

• Rotation Depth and Kuminga’s Place

  • Jonathan Kuminga, despite flashes, is back on the bench—blocked by the firepower and chemistry of Johnson, Daniels, Walker, and McCollum.
  • “He’s getting more minutes than what he’s getting...but I think for him, Joe, he sees himself as a starter playing 35 minutes a night.” (Joe, 05:51)
  • The group stresses that Kuminga’s value can come as a versatile postseason “secret weapon,” especially if he focuses first on defense and lets his offense flow from energy plays.

• Role Acceptance—Sports & Life

  • Sharpe uses sports-business metaphors:
    • “Everybody wants to be the CEO, the CFO ... Sometimes we need cashiers, sometimes we need security ... Everybody can’t be in front of the camera.” (Joe, 11:40)
  • Kuminga’s frustration relatable—Sharpe shares how Elway told him: “Just make sure when John Elway calls your number, make sure you pick up the phone.” (Joe, 14:00)

Notable Quotes

• “It’s hard to complain, Ocho, when you come to a team and they start winning.” (Uncle Ocho, 08:47)
• “His first thought process should be defense...his skill set is too advanced, bro.” (Uncle Ocho on Kuminga, 10:45)
• “It was something. It's something.” (The crew speculates why Kuminga couldn't get off the bench for the Warriors, 15:19)

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Mark Cuban’s Seller’s Remorse & The Luka Trade (19:34 – 32:38)

Key Points

• Post-Luka Blues in Dallas

  • Jason Kidd is tired of the narrative: "When are we going to move on?"—but Mark Cuban’s regret is dominating Dallas sports talk.
  • Cuban’s Regret: “I don't regret selling. I regret who I sold.” (19:34)
  • Luka Doncic is thriving elsewhere (“out here, MVP talks”), making it painful for the organization and fans to move forward.
  • “He dropped 42 last night.” (Joe, 20:28)
  • Shannon: “He’s only the second guy to ever average 600 points...in a month.” (20:49)

• Behind the Trade

  • The podcast crew suspects a deeper backstory, beyond what’s been publicly revealed:
    • “It was far more into it than what we as fans can even [know].” (Uncle Ocho, 23:15)
    • Speculates that it may have even been a benefit for Luka: “It flipped a switch in his head—knowing that, I can’t come to LA B.S.ing.” (Uncle Ocho, 23:19)

• Value of Superstars & Trade Lessons

  • Sharpe on what Luka should have commanded:
    • “Desmond Bane got four first-round draft picks. What the hell would Luka...I’d have been getting draft picks in 2040, first round, unprotected.” (25:42)

Notable Quotes

• “All you do is keep the fan base riled up.” (Joe to Cuban about rehashing the trade, 22:09)
• “You don’t let the turkey cook...You open up the turkey, and it’s still red inside.” (Joe, illustrating Dallas’ impatience, 23:11)
• Pat Riley LeBron-cookies story as a power-move cautionary tale: “He wanted to reassert to let LeBron know I still run this issue.” (Joe, 29:27)

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Jalen Hurts Under the Microscope: Coachability & Team Dynamics (37:29 – 44:04)

Key Points

• Jeremy Fowler’s Report on Hurts

  • Sources inside the Eagles organization question Hurts’ coachability—reporting he:
    • Called his own plays during the playoffs
    • Pushed back on changes to the scheme
    • Shows “poor body language,” not fully bought in

• How Much Is Real?

  • Ocho: “I don’t like the nitpicking about...body language...That's just who he is.” (38:48)
  • Sharpe: “What about the most coachable? What about that?” (39:14)
  • They acknowledge a super-successful quarterback must have been coachable at least to a point, but believe recent struggles may be personality- or scheme-driven.

• AJ Brown Fallout

  • A.J. Brown reportedly wants out: “You one of the reasons that I came [to Philly]...and now I want to leave?” (Joe, 41:16)
  • Ocho: “Something going on over there, A.J.” (41:16)

• Team Chemistry/Play Calling Discussion

  • The guys break down how A.J. Brown’s usage has declined, possibly due to play calls and/or Saquon's struggles.
  • “He running three, maybe four routes.” (Ocho, 42:02)

Notable Quotes

• “How would this man [Fowler] know that, other than the damn coaches?” (Joe, on legitimacy of the report, 40:20)
• “You making $50 million a year. I don’t want to hear nobody say, ‘Saquon.’ You gotta get it done.” (Joe, 43:03)
• “When something’s not working, that means you lift your level of play.” (Joe, 43:56)

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Puka Nacua Checks into Rehab: Advice & Perspective (44:13 – 49:37)

Key Points

• Rams’ Star Receiver Seeks Help

  • Puka Nacua checks himself into a private facility for health, personal growth, and to address off-field issues, as confirmed by his attorney.
  • Seen as an opportunity to get right mentally ahead of team activities.

• Hosts Offer Life Lessons

  • Ocho: “Understand how valuable you are...Understand how hard you’ve worked to get where you at...Don’t forget it.” (Ocho, 44:52)
  • Uncle Ocho: “Don’t ever forget how you got to where you trying to get to...Have tunnel vision.” (45:58)
  • Joe: On the pitfalls of youth and public scrutiny: “It’s okay to not have an opinion about everything publicly.” (46:43)
  • Reminder: “Everybody got a camera.” (Joe, 47:40)

• Puka’s Potential and Market Value

  • Joe and Ocho agree Puka is “one of the two or three best receivers in all of football,” with market-shifting talent.
  • “He’s as good as advertised.” (Joe, 48:21)
  • “Don't lose sight—the main thing is the main thing: football. You got a great opportunity to set about two or three generations up for the rest of their lives.” (Joe, 48:49; Uncle Ocho reacts: “Damn.” 49:02)

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On Sports Roles:
  • “Sometimes we need cashiers...All that makes it! Everybody can’t be in front of the camera.” (Joe, 11:40)
• On Learning from Pat Riley:
  • “You really didn’t even have to recruit LeBron...you get so big of a power trip...Cookies.” (Joe, 27:28)
• For Young Athletes:
  • “The devil gonna be working overtime. Stay locked in, bro.” (Uncle Ocho, 46:09)
• On Camera Culture:
  • “Everybody got a camera...You think you talking on the low? Man, please.” (Joe & Uncle Ocho, 47:40)

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Summary Timeline

| Topic | Timestamps | |----------------------------------------------|-----------------| | Hawks' Win & Playoff Potential / Kuminga | 03:52 – 15:21 | | Mark Cuban’s Seller’s Remorse & Luka Trade | 19:34 – 32:38 | | Jalen Hurts’ Coachability & Team Fallout | 37:29 – 44:04 | | Puka Nacua Checks Into Rehab, Life Advice | 44:13 – 49:37 |

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Nightcap delivers an episode full of sharp sports analysis and locker-room wisdom, balancing big-picture league narratives with personal lessons taken from years on the field—don’t miss these insights if you want the real pulse of big-time sports.

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[Joe]

They blew out the Orlando Magic 130 to 101. Atlanta is 172 over the last 19 games. They're now 44 and 33, fifth in the Eastern Conference. Joe, question is, is not if they make the playoffs, can they get out of the first round?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, they can get out the first round, Uncle. And Ocho, I like what I've been seeing from the Hawks, man. They play not only great basketball, but I think Jalen Johnson obviously has been tremendous throughout this whole season. Alexander Walker, I mean, you talking about playing over your head. I mean, the man just averaged eight or nine points last year. Now he averaging 20, 21 points a game. You know, they, they took care of me. He making some good money, but he's definitely over, you know, over delivering. He's. Oh, man, I think collectively as a team, Uncle Ocho, I'll be honest with y'. All. I think they could be anybody in the East. I really do. Wait, whoa, whoa.

[Ocho]

Anybody?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, I'm talking about. I know Boston playing great. I know they. Yeah, they playing great. But I think the Hawks, as deep as we are, I think that They, I think they could take Boston. It wouldn't surprise me. That's what I'm telling you.

[Ocho]

Are you talking about in one game, not a seven game series.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm talking about in the series. I think they could be anybody in a seven game series. Yes.

[Joe]

You heard the man, Ocho.

[Uncle Ocho]

I think he could beat any, I think they could beat anybody. I think collectively as a team, as a unit. Obviously we got a game changer in Jalen Johnson and the rest of these guys pitching in helping because he going to attract so much attention in the post season. But he's so, he's so crafty. He could score, he could play make, he can rebound, he could do everything out there on the court. I mean he's second in, in the league in triple doubles behind Jokic obviously. Yokage averaging a triple double. Hell, Jalen ain't far off. You know, I think we got the pieces that can do it, okay. Depending on who we get in that first round. I'm telling you, I think we can win, I think we can, we can advance.

[Joe]

Yeah, you see I'm looking at Kaminga and guess what? He back to being on the bench. I mean he can't, he's not going to be able to crack that lineup. Not with Daniels, not with walker, not with McCollum and not with Johnson. A congu is your big. Yeah, be a bench play. He gonna be a bench player. I mean he, I mean he's getting more minutes than what he's getting and what you call it. He had 12 points, he's five or seven, one or two from three, one one from the free throw line. But I think for him, Joe, he looking at himself, he sees himself as a starter playing 35 minutes a night.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, I, I, I, I, I'm sure that's what he's thinking. But you gotta keep Daniels on the floor, okay?

[Joe]

Oh yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Gotta keep Walker on the floor. Gotta keep McCullough on the floor to keep, to keep everything organized. But Walker and Daniels, those are your defensive guys. Guys who, you know, they not coming in looking to take 20, 25 shots a night. Even though Alexander averaging 20, 21 a game, he's still getting it within the Florida game. His defense fuses his offense. You see what I'm saying? Like I just think it's a great mesh. He couldn't have thought coming over to Atlanta that he was going to probably get thrown in the starting lineup right away because they had already been playing pretty good basketball prior to them getting,

[Ocho]

I mean Joe, actually I, I thought you know, with, with the way things went. Oh, you know, with the warriors, where he felt he was, that he was that boy and obviously everything shouldn't run through goddamn Stephen. I thought he was gonna go to goddamn Atlanta and be that boy, be

[Uncle Ocho]

one of them boys.

[Ocho]

I'm just saying, based on, you know, the way things were going over there, where he felt he wouldn't like to be able to take the shots. And, and you know what I'm trying to say, he would go to Atlanta and be like, okay, I'm the aunt with the Aunt Edwards over here or the job over there back there. I mean, obviously, obviously.

[Joe]

But they had, but they got, they got Johnson as an all star.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, he gonna be.

[Joe]

Joe said Walker. Yeah. Is playing. He's having an out of body experience. Dyson Daniels was in the running for defensive player of the year last year. So I'm just trying to figure out what position is he going to play that he's going to be able to get those 35 minutes, a run, a congruence. The big C.J. mcCullum is the point, as Joe said, he keeps everything together. He makes sure everything is operated. Although, although Jalen Johnson can handle the ball, hence all the triple doubles. Yeah, but, but, but C.J. mcCollum is the veteran experience that. Keep it, that, that, that binds it all together.

[Ocho]

What I'm, all I'm saying, Uncle Joe, is you making noise over there when you got one of the best players to ever play about you not getting minutes over there with the Warriors. So if you making noise and complaining because you're not being able to do what you want to do with the Warriors, I'm thinking once you get your opportunity somewhere else now you finna be like, okay, this is why he was complaining or fussing when he was with the warriors, because this is what I can do.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, well, it's hard to complain, Ocho, when you come to a team and they start winning.

[Joe]

They winning before you got there.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, they were winning before you got there. So you have to play your role to the tee. So if y' all need me to come off the bench and do what I gotta do, I can do that. But I don't think it diminishes his value. Uncle Ocho, here's what I think. I think when you get into postseason, there will be games where you will see Kaminga at the four or the five spot. Him and Jalen to where you got. Yeah, the way you playing that small ball and you got multiple guys, because even though they smaller guys at 6, 8, 6, 9. They still great rebounders.

[Joe]

They.

[Uncle Ocho]

They great athletes, and they can kind of guard one through five. And I just think if you can spread the floor like that to where you got a bunch of guys who can attack, make the three defend, play fast, because that's what the Hawks want to do, I think. I think it works well for them. So I think he. He can be a secret weapon for them once the postseason start. If they.

[Joe]

If you ask me, yeah, I think I agree. Joe, is that he went from getting no minutes to at least he's getting 15, 20 minutes.

[Uncle Ocho]

There you go.

[Joe]

So I. I think that that was the biggest thing for him. He's like, well, come on, guys. I mean, y' all saw what I do when I get in there and I'm in the postseason and I get it, bro. Unless you, Kevin Durant, everybody's gonna be second fiddle. I mean, I'm just keeping it real. Yeah, unless. I mean, unless you, Luca, okay. LeBron's like, you know what? I'm 15 years a senior. Go ahead, Luca.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But for the most part, everybody that played alongside LeBron was the second field of day. I mean, I think Kyrie might have been the only guy that's ever shot more than LeBron in a single season. I think LeBron's first year back there, I think Kyrie shot the ball more than he did. But for the most part, when you playing with a transcendent player, a. A franchise, order a generation, bro. You think you will get the same opportunities he does, that you're going to be able to shoot, get green lights like he does?

[Uncle Ocho]

No, no, man. Hey, look, I've been to a few games. I've seen Kaminga play. I've seen the flashes that he's shown since he's been in a Hulk uniform, you know, and for me, I just feel like he shouldn't be. When he comes into the game, Uncle Ocho, offense shouldn't be his first thought process. His first thought process should be defense, you know, because what people fail to realize is that if you focus in on the defensive part with his skill set, it'll fuel your offense by. By getting steals, getting rebounds, pushing out, pushing on the break, or finish it in transition. I feel like he's a versatile guy who can help in a multitude of ways, and I just don't feel like, you know, he should just be predicated on scoring. His skill set is too advanced, bro. I think it's so many things. There's so many ways he can affect the game that just Come in and compete and play hard.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Joe]

I think sometimes we get in situations, Joe. Everybody wants to be the CEO, the cfo, the coo, the. The VP or the president. Sometimes we need cashiers, sometimes we need security, sometimes we need maintenance. Yeah, you need to. All that. All that makes it every, Ocho. Every. Every. Look, everybody has a role. We got EPs, we got editors, we got associate producers, we got graphics teams, we got a social media team. Everybody can't be. Well, man, you know, I want to be in front of the camera. Okay. Doing what? So he's looking at it, Ocho, and looking at the success that they had. He's like, well, I can do that. But that's not what they need you to do. Yeah, I'm sure there are guys that came in. Oh, man, I can do what O can do. No, we need you to be the slot. We need you to be the third or the fourth receiver. We got a one, we got a two, we got.

[Ocho]

But, you know, I know he got to be mad, though, Uncle Joe, right, Because he right back in the same situation. Situation that he left. He would complain about even.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, no, no.

[Joe]

He getting minutes now, at least. Oh, he was getting dmp. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

That man wasn't even touching the flow. Now he get out competing play, you know, and show flashes of greatness. I. I still think the sky's the limit for him. Listen, y' all gotta understand, he hadn't played in a long, long time, bro. I know. On that bench. So the last thing you want to do, I think, for the Hawks, is to get him over there and you playing him 35, 40, okay? Ease him into it. I know he young. He. He probably still got his legs on him, but you want to keep that fire in him. I'm telling you, in the postseason, man, he gonna have to come alive.

[Joe]

Unless one of the key guys get in trouble. I don't see 30 minutes. I don't see where he can get 35 minutes, Joe, unless one of those guys get in foul trouble.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right, I agree. And the games that, you know, Jalen Johnson hasn't played or Alexander hasn't played, man, he stepped right in. Uncle Ocho, I'm talking about putting up great 25.

[Joe]

Yeah, you're right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. So he capable.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Ocho, I give prime example. I remember when I was. When I first got it started. I remember, like, my. My first and second year, especially my second year, going into my third year, I used to call. I said, man, I'm ready. I said, I'm ready, man. Said, man, they Ain't playing me, man. They won't give me no, I'll be right at practice. He said, don't worry about that. He said, they're gonna call your number. Just make sure when Johnny will call your number now, they're gonna come to you now. Now you saying you ready. You doing all this. Don't call me and say X, Y and Z. So I know exactly what Kaminga is thinking because I felt the exact same way. I said, I'm especially my second and my third year. I say, man, I'm ready, I can do this. He said, hey, your time gonna come. But when that time come, make sure you're ready. When John Elway calls your number, make sure you pick up the phone.

[Uncle Ocho]

There you go.

[Joe]

So, Kaminga, I know it's frustrating, but at least you get 19, 20 minutes a night compared to the 3, 4 or sometimes the DNP coach's decision. Just build on that. Just when they call your number, got

[Ocho]

to be on point.

[Joe]

Make sure you make sure.

[Ocho]

Hey, he must have. Hey, he must have cursed. He must have cursed. Steve care out of some, huh?

[Uncle Ocho]

Man, I don't know what the man.

[Joe]

Oh, don't start me to lie.

[Uncle Ocho]

He couldn't even get. For him not to be able to get off the bench.

[Ocho]

It had to be some.

[Uncle Ocho]

It was something. It's something.

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[Joe]

What Jason Jason Kidd is pushing back after Mark Cuban publicly criticized the Maverick decision to trade Luca. J. Kid made it clear he wants the organization to stop reliving them and move on and start focusing on what comes next, saying, when are we going to move on? We have to move forward. We're focused on the present and the future, and we've got an incredible opportunity to build. Mark Cuban has become increasingly vocal about the team direction since the sale earlier this week. Mark Cuban, he said he regretted selling the Mavericks to Addison and Dumont, even though he still believes selling was the right decision. I don't regret selling. I regret who I sold. Damn, Joe, man, will they ever, ever heal from this?

[Uncle Ocho]

Hell no. I. Jake, listen, I can't want them to move. And every time we look up, Luca got 40. Man, please.

[Joe]

He dropped 40. He dropped 42 last night.

[Uncle Ocho]

Joe, come on, man. How we supposed to let this go? I could see if the man was hurting. He ain't playing, okay?

[Joe]

Boom.

[Uncle Ocho]

Let's let it go. But the man out here, MVP talks. I'm talking about ever since he, since he got to la. Uncle Ocho, he ain't been doing number balling. Out of control.

[Joe]

600 points.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, they can't forget it.

[Joe]

He's only the second guy to ever average 600 points and get scored 600 points in March. He's one of 10 guys to ever have at least 600 points in a month.

[Ocho]

I still, I still don't understand it.

[Uncle Ocho]

Joe and Unc what you understand.

[Joe]

But I'm trying to figure out how he blaming J Kid. It's not like J Kid got with Pat Riley or he had Popovich kind of control or he didn't have that. J Kid didn't. I mean, look, maybe he's like, look, you got to do what you got to do. I. I don't know. But still do. Malt signed off on it. You could say Nico all you want to. If that owner does not sign up on it, Nico cannot circumvent the Owner's wishes.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So now, Mark, I get it. But you. They gave you an offer you couldn't refuse. That's called by. That's called sellers remorse. You know, sometimes as a buyer, you're like, I shouldn't have bought that man. Ocho. Like you said, Ocho, I should have bought that Lambo. I shouldn't have rented that Bugatti. That's buyers. He's having sellers remorse. Yeah, well, you should have did your background check.

[Ocho]

You know who's buying the team that kind of money.

[Joe]

And they never owned the fourth franchise. They. Ms. Adelson. Her husband owned the casinos out here. Mr. Adams. Sheldon Addison.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So, y', all, I tell you what. You're not getting Luca back so you could complain and hope you. Sometimes with your dog, you lose your dog, and the kid on the porch crying, and maybe the dog come back up wagging his tail, and I'm. No, that ain't happening. Luca is not walking back through those doors in Dallas, so you can forget that. So stop talking about it. Because all you do is keep the fan base riled up

[Uncle Ocho]

because they did y' all a favor by giving y' all the number one pick.

[Joe]

Y' all got the number one pick. Y' all didn't even see the thing to fruition because you already done traded A.D. you don't know what. Luke. What? Excuse me, what A.D. cooper flag. And then Kyrie. Could have been. You didn't even get that back. Ocho, this ain't. You know what. Hey, I'm cooking Thanksgiving dinner. It's gonna take about 10 hours, and five hours into it, man, I'm ready to eat. And then you open up the turkey, and it's still red inside. You ain't let it cook. You ain't let it marinate. Damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, that's how you know it was.

[Joe]

It was.

[Uncle Ocho]

It was far more into it than what we as fans can even.

[Joe]

Of course, yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know, this wasn't nothing that just happened the night before. And then we. You know, we called the owner and was like, hey, man, I think we should trade Luca. Like, I think it was a compound of things that led to that. And obviously, honestly, Uncle Ocho, I think I. I think it benefited Luca more than anything because I think it flipped a switch in his head knowing that, you know, I. I can't come to LA bs, Right? You feel me? Like, I gotta come down. Yeah. Yeah. You can't go to LA with the. With that same eating all that barbecue and all that game out. They ain't having all that. Boy, they will run you through the ground out there, Joe.

[Joe]

They call the man Hookah. Duncich. They done dropped the Luke call the man hookah. The man. They embarrassed the man. The man. The man went to play up, win a playoff series. He drank the beer. They come take the beer out the man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, really.

[Joe]

I'm a grown ass man. Give me my beer back. The hell wrong with you? As a matter of fact, I did a stone cold. I started shotgunning. Hey, you gotta imagine everybody. Everybody knows. It was more to it than what they tell us. Yeah, we know. And this thing had been. You don't all of a sudden say, you know, the week before the Ted, right before the trade deadline, we trade Luca. That you don't do that.

[Ocho]

I would love. I would love to hear what the real reason is and not the reason that they give us.

[Uncle Ocho]

They're not gonna tell you.

[Joe]

They're never gonna take.

[Ocho]

But listen, what he's doing over there in la. Hold on. What he did the previous season before they even let him go, you're not. You're not gonna see nothing like that ever again. I don't care who you draft.

[Joe]

He about to lead the league and scoring for the third time in his career.

[Ocho]

That's crazy.

[Joe]

He averaging like 34 points a game.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe, you know who know why they. Why they really let him go? People that's in that circle, you know, other NBA players, they know

[Joe]

Mark Cuban. Know why they let him go.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

He just wouldn't have been the one that let him go for those reasons.

[Ocho]

That's crazy.

[Joe]

I mean, hey, some people break up. Some people break up like people leave a relationship. Man, I wonder what happened. People close to the situation know what happened, Right? And maybe, maybe you. I, Joe, maybe we wouldn't break up with that. For that situation.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But for that individual.

[Ocho]

That's it.

[Joe]

That was a burden too big to. To. I couldn't bear that. Yeah. So they let him go where they traded him. Now, the only issue that I have is not that they traded him, because I wouldn't. I probably wouldn't have traded him either, but I'm opening it up. Desmond Bain got four first round draft picks. What the hell would Luca. I'd have been getting draft picks in 2040, first round, unprotected.

[Uncle Ocho]

The Mavericks weren't thinking like that.

[Joe]

The hell you said. I'm thinking like that.

[Uncle Ocho]

They felt. They felt getting AD in the trade, they felt like it was a pretty even.

[Ocho]

Even swap.

[Joe]

Who?

[Uncle Ocho]

I mean, you could say that now. Cause Luca Ball And AD Ain't been. Ain't playing. So we, you know, you in the moment on this right now.

[Joe]

But.

[Uncle Ocho]

But when AD first got there putting up 26 and 13, one nothing. I know he got hurt, but he. He was putting up. He putting up these numbers. He just can't stay healthy.

[Joe]

No, but. No, he ain't gonna put up Luca numbers because. Luca. Luca. But here's the thing. And sometimes, look, when you get. Sometimes franchises, you got to realize players run this. Pat Riley wanted to assert himself and something as simple as cookies. Okay, they say LeBron sat back in that chair, say, okay, no, I don't want to play no more. I'm done. Don't worry about it. Don't keep the pot. Okay? I've been looking for him. You're never getting another LeBron again. You really didn't even have to recruit LeBron. D. Wade got it. Yeah, D. Wade. Chris Box was all in the same draft. And you know what? It'd be cool for us to link up, but you get so big of a power trip. You on such a big ego trip. Cookies.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

It was ridiculous to me.

[Joe]

Not. You know what? Not that. Because guess What? They said LeBron was really the only one that really liked the chocolate chip cookies. Yeah, he already got his own pack meals. He eat, what he eat when he brought on the trip. Dessert. Yeah, baby. Chocolate chip. Go heat them things up for your boy. Give me three of them on big one. Like about this here big. Oh, got about 14, 15 chocolate chips in them. Get them nice and hot for your boy. Hey, put a scoop of ice cream on there for me, too.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey.

[Joe]

Look, like my grandma used to say, boy, my mouth was watering. I had my mouth tuned up. Thought I was gonna get some. Ain't no more chocolate chip cookies. Yeah, they always chocolate chip cookies. Mr. Riley said we wasn't weak, Huh? Okay. Okay, mofo.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Boy, he was hot. When D. Wade told that story. Well, that thing was funny.

[Joe]

North Cole told it to.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, I wonder. I wonder, was it. I wonder, were they in Cleveland? Cause, man, it's a lady in Cleveland, bro. We used to play there after every game. She used to be back there in the back with the players, giving out boxes of cookies. Oh, they were so fine. I'm talking about fire.

[Joe]

Why would you. Why would you. Can you imagine? Tom Brady likes strawberry shortcake. Every time he get on the plane

[Ocho]

after the game, he got his strawberry shortcake.

[Joe]

He got his strawberry shortcake.

[Uncle Ocho]

Not today.

[Joe]

I'm sorry, Tom. We don't have it. Coach Belichick said we couldn't see. That's. That's a pop. That's a power move.

[Ocho]

Wait, that's an unnecessary power move. Unnecessary.

[Joe]

But it just. He. He wanted to reassert to let LeBron know I still run this issue.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, hold up, though. Let me tell y' all something. You know how. Like, I don't know about y' all planes. I'm sure they all pretty much the same team playing. You get on there, they may have chips, and they may have all this stuff to snack on. Hey, they don't have chips on the heat plane. Like bags of Cheetos Dorito, man. You.

[Joe]

They got that.

[Ocho]

The hell you eat.

[Uncle Ocho]

You get you some peanuts, you know what I'm saying? They have all healthy snacks on there, bro. I'm not lying. I promise y'.

[Martha Stewart]

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[Uncle Ocho]

They don't have. They don't have that. They. Pat, don't allow them, dude, just to be snacking on four, five bags of chips.

[Joe]

Candy bar. We got. Boy, we got 200 Snickers, Hershey bars. No, sir.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, sir. None of that. I'm serious.

[Joe]

Chips.

[Uncle Ocho]

Nah.

[Joe]

And then that's before we get to the burger.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. You get you some peanuts and some raisins or something and sit down.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, Pat. Pat, my guy, man, but he got to do something. I mean, and he has to the. The pull back on the reins a little bit or to be a little bit more lenient, Joe, because nobody even want to come. We talk about Miami, Joe. Miami is a place where everybody named Mama should want to come play. But the fact that Pat is in the way, and they understand he rules with an iron fist or heavy fist or however the saying go. They don't nobody want to come here, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, listen, as long as you don't mind working, bro. Okay, Ocho? As long as you don't mind working, you're gonna. You'll be all right. You'll be all right. Like, you gotta really love what you do. You gotta really love the preparation that goes into it. You know what I mean? Because if you don't, that's when. That's when it becomes too much. From what I've seen while I've been in that system, I know what it's like. You have to enjoy it, bro.

[Joe]

You gotta. Yep. Everybody. That. That. You know what, Joe? That system is a lot easier if you go to it. If you start in it. If you. Like me, I started in Dan's system. Dan was old school. He learned under Coach Landry. Yeah, you hit, you Hit. You work, you work, you work. Now imagine coming from the 49ers where they in. They in shorts and T shirts on Wednesday, they in shoulder pass for 10 plays on Thursday and then shorts and T shirts again on Friday. You leave that and come to Denver. Boy, you lost your mind. Cuz you catch, you catching the ball. Oh, this match, you catching the ball on the dig and the DB come hit you in the back. He don't take you to the ground, but he thought hit you in the back. 907. So it's easier to start in that system.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

What do they say? It's easier to be mean and get easier. As opposed to be easier and get mean.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah.

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Damn. A source within the Eagles organization believes Jalen Hurts is not the most coachable player per Jeremy Fowler.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Or body language not always bought in. Not the most coachable. And the players notice key notes from the Fowler report. Hertz was the person who called four verticals on the Eagles last play of 2026 NFL playoffs. Not Petula. Wanted to avoid playing under center. Reluctant to let it rip at times, particularly against zone coverage. Push back on changes that would diversify the scheme. Poor body language not always bought in. Diverse from the game plan and changes play calls to the excessive degree. Not the most coachable. His teammates notice. According to Fowler, Hurt stands at a crossroads. Despite his admit success, sources says he had a hand in the Eagles offense becoming calcified and frustrations have grown. Now I know Eagle fans gonna be Ocho and I up about this. He make this up. I don't know if y' all know who Jeremy Fowler is.

[Ocho]

They better know.

[Joe]

But if you don't know, it came from that building.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it always come from the building. And, and another thing, I mean, I don't like the nitpicking about, you know, mannerisms and body language because his body language has always been like that. He's one that doesn't show much, much passion. He doesn't show much excitement. He doesn't smart. He doesn't smile much. You see how he does his interviews. Everything is really, really, really serious. That's just who he is.

[Joe]

Ocho, hold on before you go any further. Ocho. Okay, we take the stoicism. What about the most coachable? What about that?

[Ocho]

That's a good one. And especially being a quarterback. Being a quarterback that's had success, being a quarterback that's already won a Super Bowl. I mean, in, in a way, in. In order to win and have that kind of consistency that they did have. Don't you have to be coachable in a sense? Maybe last year that might have been. Okay, you know what? I don't like Petula system. I don't like what's going on. I want to simplify things. No to my liking. When I get plays that come in and it's Something that I don't like, I'm going to change it. So I. I could probably see maybe this season not being coachable because he's wanting to do things his way.

[Joe]

All I'm gonna say is this here, you didn't know this. Nobody know this. Jeremy Fowler is reporting it was Hertz who called the four verticals on the Eagles last play of 20, 26 in the NFL playoffs, not Petula who knew that, other than the damn coaches.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's it.

[Joe]

That other players. So for Jeremy Fowler to get that. Cause y' all go. They're gonna beat us up, Joe. Yeah, you ain't gonna get too much. You ain't gonna get too much pushback, but Ocho and I gonna get pushed back. How would this man know that?

[Ocho]

Everything don't come from in the building. Always inside, always, no matter who you are. It's gonna. It's gonna get out.

[Uncle Ocho]

But ain't nobody gonna take the blame, though. Y' all know how I go. It's somebody talking to them reporters.

[Joe]

All I know is this. Me and Ocho, best friend. You the God. It's been reported. I think that he's one of the godsons, that A.J.

[Ocho]

a.J. Brown.

[Joe]

How you fall out with that? You one of the reasons that I came. I came to Cincinnati to play with Ocho, and now all of a sudden, I want to leave Ocho, even after I won a Super Bowl. Yeah, bend the two, one, one. Nah, I'm good, cuz. Let me go.

[Ocho]

Something going on over there, A.J.

[Uncle Ocho]

see, that system ain't. It ain't. It ain't working out for him, man. He's. Hey, A.J. like, man, I can't get my numbers. I can't catch no balls.

[Ocho]

Hey, and you know how. You know how A.J. thinking. Okay, I got my ring. So shoot, from this point on, I'm trying. I'm trying to get the numbers right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hello.

[Joe]

AJ Say y' all got people thinking I'm some sauce out here now. That's what y' all thinking. I see what JSN doing. I see what Puka doing. I see what all these other receivers doing. Y' all got people thinking, I can't play no more. AJ Washed. AJ can't run nothing but this. I'm telling you how AJ Thinking.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, same thing. Slant curl, deep ball, left side of the field. Sluggo. That's it. Joey, they got. They got him running three, three, maybe three, maybe four routes.

[Joe]

He's running the rail. You. Hey, he going deep. He run nine right. He on left hand side, two yards Outside run the rail. Every time he run the go ball right side, you gonna run the dig or you gonna run shallow or.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Order slant and third and third and short.

[Joe]

He running slant Y. And if they put him in a two by two, what you call him? Hey, somebody go run the. The vert clear angle back up underneath the under route.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey. Cause when you think about it, though, is it. Y' all think it's because Saquon didn't have as great of a year as he had the year before? Which hurts. Does it hurt AJ because of that?

[Joe]

Well, if. But here's the thing. If Saquon's not running, if they got an extra guy down to stop Saquon, come see you, boy.

[Ocho]

A pass game should be wide open. Joe.

[Joe]

The offensive line is a little. Was a little beat up the big lane. Johnson dealt with injuries all year. Dickerson.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Dealt with injuries all year. The center, Jurgens dealt with injuries all year. The right guard wasn't as good as Makai Becton. So, yeah, it goes hand in hand. But they say, hold on. Damn, we got a quarterback. We paid him top dollar. So even if Saquon not running, what they got to do with anything?

[Uncle Ocho]

You making.

[Joe]

You making $50 million a year. I don't want to hear nobody say, quan, you gotta get it done. No Charles Barkley? No Saquon Barkley, no Iran Barkley. I don't hear none of that. You know how these organizations. Yeah, about that. What's not working.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

We paying you for to work, do your job. And when something's not working, that means you lift your level of play.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hello.

[Ocho]

Especially when you're making that kind of money. They don't want no excuses.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, what they ain't trying nothing.

[Joe]

Nothing gonna be very, very interesting to see. The Rams have been urging Puka Nakua to grow as a person after a series of controversies off the field of the past year, and now he's taking steps to do that. Puka has checked himself into a private facility, his attorney confirmed today, to focus on his health, personal growth, and overall development. Nakua checked himself into the facility on his own and will remain there until he completes the program of head of the Rams OTAs that start in a few weeks.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

If you could offer him some vice, Joe, then you can take it. What would. What would you say to Pooh?

[Ocho]

I mean, understand the opportunity you have that's in front of you. Understand how valuable you are to the Los Angeles Rams. Understand how hard you work to get to where you at. Understand all the adversity, all the obstacles you had to overcome to get where you are. And remember that and don't forget it. I think maybe. Maybe Puka might be a little comfortable because of the success that he's having. Enjoying himself a little too much. It's okay to enjoy yourself, Joe. Uncle Joe. Enjoy yourself. Hell, I enjoyed myself, but I also knew what line not to cross off the field.

[Uncle Ocho]

What'd he do? What'd he do off the field?

[Ocho]

You got it.

[Uncle Ocho]

He checked himself in. But I'm saying what happened?

[Joe]

Tj. Tj. Huchi Mazada. Now, allegedly, he likes to party.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And you know the recent event that came out about the young lady, he didn't look in. In the greatest control of his.

[Ocho]

He bit on the buttocks,

[Uncle Ocho]

man. This why. This is why I told the Washington kid who was just on from Arkansas, like, man, don't. Don't ever forget how you got to where you trying to get to. You feel me? Whether it's NFL, NBA, I don't care what it is, man. Have tunnel vision. Focus on yourself and your craft and leave all them distractions alone. I promise you, boy. Hey. Cause the devil gonna be working. He gonna be working. I'm talking about. He gonna be working overtime. You hear me? That's why you gotta stay locked in, bro. Like, I. I try to, you know, especially young cats who. Coming into being a professional, you have to understand. Yep. It's a lot that comes with that. It's a lot that you're gonna enjoy, but it's some stuff that's gonna come with it, man. That it ain't gonna be too tasty.

[Joe]

And so I think that's the biggest thing he put himself in, you know, and the thing that I. That I've learned is that it's okay to not have an opinion about everything publicly.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, he's. He's young and, you know, he got caught in, you know, being on someone's stream and, you know, they said some things that, you know, that kind of got him in trouble. I don't really fault him for that.

[Uncle Ocho]

He didn't.

[Joe]

He didn't really know what that meant, but you gotta be careful. Yeah, you really. You really. You really. You really have to be careful in situations like this.

[Uncle Ocho]

And

[Joe]

it's just. It's tough, man. It's tough.

[Uncle Ocho]

I think it's harder. It's harder nowadays, too, fellas, than it was back.

[Joe]

Yeah, you got more distractions. You got way more distractions.

[Uncle Ocho]

And it's just. It seems like everything gets seen.

[Ocho]

Oh, there's cameras everywhere, Joe.

[Joe]

Everybody got a camera.

[Uncle Ocho]

There you go. You think you, you think you talking on the low? You think, man, please. Yeah,

[Joe]

it's. I, I just, hey, I just, I, you know, I just hope because like I said, I've only been around, I've only been around him once, but he was, he was, he was fun. Like I said, I haven't been around him in a football setting. It was, it was a very laid back, the all star game, celebrity all star game and Indy. He is a phenomenal talent. He's one of the two or three best receivers in all of football. He shows up, he's put to work in and he's in line. I, I believe, you know, he'll go, he's going to reset the market.

[Ocho]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

JSN got what he got. I believe he's going to come and get, you know, a hundred thousand, two hundred thousand dollars more than jsc. He's that good. He's, he's as good as advertised.

[Ocho]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

But I think a person that could give him some great advice. Go talk to playmaker.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes, go talk to the playmaker.

[Joe]

Don't lose sight. The main thing is the main thing football, Football is, is the main thing. And you got a great opportunity. You got an opportunity to sit about two or about three generations up for the rest of their lives.

[Uncle Ocho]

Damn,

[Joe]

I'm glad, I'm glad he's getting the help. Hopefully it works. And I know everybody. There's pr. I don't care. I don't care. He go in there. Hey, I don't care if they don't have him reading books.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

Let him go in there, get an opportunity to think about what's been done, some of the things that he's done, some of the behavior that he displayed, get that rectified and know, you know,

[Uncle Ocho]

hey,

[Joe]

without consequences, there can be no lessons learned,

[Ocho]

man.

[Joe]

It's really simple.

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[Pandora Announcer]

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