Nightcap Hour 2: Magic BLOW CLOSE OUT Game vs Pistons + Raptors SURVIVE Late Scare From Cavs + Max Kellerman Says Jokic IS NOT a Top 10 NBA Player of ALL TIME + Malik Willis EXPOSED on Marlins’ FIRST PITCH + Anthony Richardson SEARCHING for WEST COAST...

Summary

Nightcap Hour 2: Full Episode Summary

Podcast: Nightcap
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (aka Ocho), Joe
Date: May 2, 2026
Episode Focus: Playoff basketball collapses, NBA legacies, wild moments in sports, and classic Unc-and-Ocho hilarity

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This episode of "Nightcap" is a no-holds-barred, late-night breakdown of the NBA playoff drama, with an especially sharp focus on the Orlando Magic's historic collapse against the Detroit Pistons, the Raptors’ last-minute survival, and a debate around Nikola Jokic's all-time ranking. Shannon Sharpe and Ocho, alongside Joe, serve up irreverent, passionate, and insightful analysis on what went down, why it happened, and what it means. From on-court meltdowns to legacy conversations, and even a foray into first-pitch disasters and Ochocinco’s soccer side-hustle, the trio gives their colorful, authentic takes—always keeping it all the way real, “Unc & Ocho” style.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Magic’s Unthinkable Second-Half Collapse vs. Pistons

[03:04 - 20:12]

• Historic drought: The Orlando Magic, up by 24, missed 23 consecutive shots—more misses than second-half points (19)—and scored just 8 in the fourth quarter; the worst offensive second half in recent NBA playoff memory.
• Detroit’s comeback: Cade Cunningham took over, dropping 19 in the 4th; Duncan Robinson and Tobias Harris hit clutch threes; Pistons’ defense shut everything down.
• Ocho: “Damn, my goodness. The bottom fell out.” [03:58]
• Joe: “I thought they finna get blew out by 30… I can’t see Detroit losing Game 7, fellas.” [06:23, 14:44]
• Shannon/Host: “It’s a fine line between making and missing. As Doc Rivers says, it’s a make or miss league.” [06:23]
• Coaching: Discussion of how mentally rattled Orlando and their coach Mosley appeared.
• Team approach: The hosts drag Orlando’s “playing not to lose,” and compare it to the infamous Falcons Super Bowl collapse: “They approach the game just like the Falcons approach that Super Bowl. They kept throwing the ball like they were behind instead of up.” [10:44]

Memorable quote (Shannon/Host, on momentum swings):

“Now your booty sucking on lemons because it’s perking up. It’s tight… It’s tight, though. You know what I’m saying? It’s tight. It’s tight.” [07:09]

Takeaway: Orlando froze under pressure, Detroit’s resilience and Cade’s leadership shone, and the collapse was of epic proportions.

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2. Raptors Survive vs. Cavs—Forcing Game 7

[21:31 - 32:33]

• RJ Barrett’s heroics: Hits a game-winning three in OT; Toronto comeback after blowing a fourth-quarter lead.
• Key statlines: Barrett (24 pts, 4 threes), Scottie Barnes (25 pts, 14 AST, 7 reb, “first 25-5-10-3-3 since LeBron in 2016”), Jacoby Walter (24), Murray Bowles (17).
• Overcoming the odds: Outrebounded by 14, gave up 19 offensive boards, yet survived due to Cleveland’s 18 turnovers, including a disastrous late one by Dennis Schroder.
• Coaching & Defense: Raptors lauded for defensive edge, with Scottie Barnes containing Cavaliers’ stars.
• Series context: “The home team has won all six games so far. This is so much pressure on James Harden and Donovan Mitchell, this Game 7.” [28:26]
• Betting talk: Hosts debate the spread (Cleveland -7.5), with Shannon inclined to take the points for Toronto.

Memorable quote:

“Scottie Barnes played 48 minutes, Joe… That’s what it takes sometimes.” (Host/Ocho) [32:04]

Takeaway: Toronto demonstrated grit; the upcoming Game 7 is pegged as a toss-up—and the hosts put pressure on the superstar guards of Cleveland.

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3. Jokic, Legacy, and Top 10 All-Time Debate

[43:10 - 52:12]

• Controversy: Max Kellerman’s assertion—Nikola Jokic is not a top 10 NBA player if he only has one ring.
• Host rundown: Lists all-time greats (Kareem, Magic, Jordan, Duncan, LeBron, Steph, Kobe, Shaq, Russell, Chamberlain, Olajuwon) and notes that “none…have just one championship.”
• Criteria: Accolades like MVPs, but also defense and multiple chips.
• Knock on Jokic: “He don’t even attempt to play defense. Everybody else attempted to play defense.” [45:09]
• Ocho’s pushback: Points out how regular season praise morphs into playoff critiques.
• Legacy math: “It’s just gonna be hard. And his offensive numbers are worthy… But he has one chip. We don’t even really consider you unless you got two to three.” [47:13]
• Future projection: Jokic’s playstyle and lack of athleticism reliance mean his career could be long and possibly still earn multiple titles.

Notable exchange:

• Host: “His numbers stack up with the best of them, though.” [44:43]
• Host: “Everybody that we look at that are the top 10 player has multiple titles.” [51:46]

Takeaway: Jokic’s legacy hinges on more titles. Despite stats and MVPs, one chip isn’t enough—defense and rings separate the real legends.

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4. Malik Willis’s Marlins First Pitch & Athleticism Antics

[54:03 - 57:56]

• Event: NFL QB Malik Willis throws an errant first pitch at a Marlins game.
• Ocho roasts: Suggests not all NFL athleticism translates to baseball: “If you don’t have a baseball background, you know, throwing from… it ain’t easy.”
• Joe’s pride: Touts his own first pitch at Yankee Stadium: “Homeboy straight across the plate. Don’t play with me.” [55:01]
• Challenge talk: The hosts argue about who could pitch/hit better—leading to classic banter and bets about multi-sport skills.

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5. Ochocinco’s Sunday Soccer and Athlete Crossover

[36:03 - 39:36]

• Chad’s plans: Ocho discusses playing in the TST (The Soccer Tournament) for Villarreal’s “Yellow Submarine” team and breaking down positions—the “nine” as soccer’s center/striker.
• Team talk: “You gotta understand, teams coming from all over the world, Joe. They competing for that million dollar prize.” [36:14]
• Athleticism debate: The group riffs on which pro athletes can credibly switch sports—and how much “being in shape” versus actual skill matters.

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6. Rapid Fire: Trash Talk, Off-Field Talent, & Unfiltered Banter

[All Throughout]

• Mini-bets: Pool, ping-pong, darts, axe-throwing—Ocho wants another face-off; the panel reminisces and roasts each other for prior losses (bowling, etc.)
• Shannon on winning: “Joe, I got a torn meniscus to prove it.” [59:25]
• Banter energy: The friendly jabs and storytelling maintain the show’s signature late-night “barbershop after dark” tone.

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “Damn, my goodness. The bottom fell out.” — Ocho [03:58]
• “I thought they finna get blew out by 30.” — Joe [06:23]
• “Now your booty sucking on lemons because it’s perking up. It’s tight.” — Host [07:09]
• “They approach the game just like the Falcons approach that Super Bowl… kept throwing the ball like they were behind instead of up.” — Host [10:44]
• “Scottie Barnes played 48 minutes, Joe… That’s what it takes sometimes.” — Host [32:04]
• “He don’t even attempt to play defense. Everybody else attempted to play defense.” — Host [45:09]
• “We don’t even really consider you unless you got two to three [championships].” — Host [47:19]
• “His numbers stack up with the best of them though.” — Joe [44:43]
• “Everybody that we look at that are the top 10 player has multiple titles.” — Host [51:46]
• “Homeboy straight across the plate. Don’t play with me.” — Joe (on his Yankee Stadium first pitch) [55:01]
• “I got the best feet. That’s why I’m playing exactly where I’m at at the nine.” — Ocho (on soccer) [36:36]

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Key Timestamps for Major Segments

| Topic | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------------|------------------| | Magic’s historic collapse vs. Pistons | 03:04 – 20:12 | | Raptors’ OT win over Cavs/Game 7 talk | 21:31 – 32:33 | | Jokic ‘Top 10 all-time’ debate | 43:10 – 52:12 | | Malik Willis Marlins first pitch segment | 54:03 – 57:56 | | Ochocinco’s soccer team & tourney talk | 36:03 – 39:36 | | Trash talk/off-field challenges | Throughout, esp. 57:56 – end |

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Tone and Flow

The show is lively, audacious, and irreverent—true to its "hangout with Unc and Ocho" promise. It features authentic barbershop realism, emotional reactions to playoff craziness, and plenty of side-bets and story digressions. The panel’s chemistry makes recaps feel like a sports debate among old friends who aren’t pulling any punches.

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Summary Takeaways

• NBA Playoffs: The Magic’s meltdown was one for the ages; the Raptors forced drama; and Cade Cunningham stamped his franchise status.
• Legacy Matters: Jokic’s case for top 10 hinges on rings, not just skills or MVPs—defense and multiple championships are the historical dividing lines.
• Host Chemistry: Shannon, Ocho, and Joe blend sharp analysis with locker room jabs and sideline tangents, making even serious debates fun and relatable.
• Multi-Sport Antics: From first pitches to soccer teams, Nightcap reminds fans: greatness on one field doesn’t always transfer to another, but the banter is always elite.

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For listeners who missed the episode: If you want to know why NBA playoff history tilted, how to define a legend, or just need a laugh about footballers trying baseball, this Nightcap delivers the goods. Skip the ads, stick around for the postgame real talk, and count on Unc & Ocho to keep it 100—win, lose, or collapse.

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[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host]

The Detroit Pistons rallied from 24 points down to beat the Orlando Magic 9379 to force a game seven after Orlando goes ice cold. Orlando went 45 minutes between made baskets. They went scoreless from 8:46pm Eastern to 9:31pm Eastern. The Magic missed 23 straight shots, the most by any playoff team this century. The Magic had more consecutive missed shots 23 than total points in the second half. 19 in the fourth quarter. They were 1 for 20o of 10 from 3 point line and they scored a grand total of 8 points. Cade had 19 points in the fourth quarter. Orlando had 19 points in the second half.

[Ocho]

Damn, my goodness. The bottom fell out.

[Host]

The bottom fell out. Kay Cunningham, Jalen and Tobias Harris.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

And Duncan Robinson.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

Duncan Robinson hit those threes. And then Cade like, oh, I got y' all now into buyers. Hey, how they won this game. Joe, I need you. Look, we're gonna talk about the Pistols, but I need you to tell me what's going on with Jalen Durden. How they win this game with this man scoring 8, 9.

[Joe]

I'm gonna tell you.

[Host]

8.9 rebounds.

[Joe]

I'm gonna tell you when you look at Detroit. Okay, Ocho. When you say, damn, how they win 60 games, bro, they, they. That second half showed you how they won 60 games.

[Host]

Yep.

[Joe]

I ain't saying that's probably the best defensive half they had all year.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Host]

But 19 points in 24 minutes of basketball?

[Joe]

It's unheard of, bro. When you go that long and don't score. I'm gonna tell you what I really think. I think Orlando got so comfortable in that first half, Uncle Ocho, and they thought the damn game was over with. If y' all just want me to keep it 100. I think they thought the game because the way that they came out and in the second half, it's like they was in such shock when as Detroit was making they run. And I'm saying, why they selling for these long ass 3. They need to get something to the basket, but I don't know if they ran out of gas, but everything they were shooting, bro, it didn't even look like it was going in. And then you could see, look, I'm looking at coach Mosley over there for Orlando. Hell, he was in disbelief. He was thinking, like, I can't believe it. Hey. Cause when they cut the lead to about to. To single digits, I said, damn, Detroit gonna get back in this game. Yeah. Next thing I know, K came alive and. And Detroit has a game changer in Cade. Because you think about that second half, Uncle Ocho, especially in that fourth quarter, man, he had them boys at his mercy, man. He scored 19 points. He scored 19 and what in. In the second half?

[Host]

19 in the fourth.

[Joe]

In the fourth. In the fourth quarter, man, he would get money, bro. He would get money. They couldn't do nothing with him. And you ask how, how, how during. How the Pistons win, How the Pistons won with Durant scoring eight points, nine rebounds. Man, they defense was awesome in that second half, fellas, it seemed like. I don't know if JB got on their ass at halftime, but they came out and they was a totally different team. Totally different team. I thought they finna get blew out by 30.

[Host]

I did too. It's just like. Because it, it. Joe, you know this. It's a fine line between making and missing. As Doc river saying. So make a mislead. Look at. They made everything. I mean, Jalen Suggs pulled up from a three and then Bane was turning around, hitting threes and twos. Everybody was hitting shots in the first half, man. Now all of a sudden you get cold and you say, you know what? Shoot that adage, Ocho. Shoot or shoot, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

The next one gonna go in and when it does it and you keep shooting, thinking the next one's go in and. And the next thing you know, you take those il shots and the guys at the other end laid it up.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

Or you follow them and now you stop the clock.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

And the next thing you know, you get duck and Robinson hit two or three threes in that fourth quarter.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

Now what was a 20 point lead is down 11. Now Kane get a and one. Now limb point, lead it down to eight to Harris, hit a 3D down to five. Right now your booty sucking on lemons because it's perking up. It's tight. It. It's tight though. You know what I'm saying? It's tight. It's tight.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host]

Hold up. We only up 5. We were just up 24. Yeah, you were. Now you're in a heap of trouble, man.

[Joe]

The fans look. Hey, the fans look shocked. Hey, hell, I was in shock. When I was watching, I'm like, you know, Paulo went 4 for 20. Sugs went 1 for. 1 for 10 on. In your. In your building, Uncle Ocho, it's going to be hard to win games like that, bro. You know, you. You trying to put this team away. Yep. I know they had that big league, but they were playing. They were playing not to lose versus playing to win. And you can see they were shooting

[Host]

shots, Joe, like they had. Like they were behind.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

After Detroit started making that. That. That run, when they cut it to single digits.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Joe]

It's like they were just trying to get shots up. You know what I mean to me,

[Host]

Slow this thing down.

[Joe]

They didn't have no rhyme or reason, bro, to what they were trying to do, you know, it's like they were holding the ball, running the shot clock down, and then somebody going to their bag, shoot a wild shot. Detroit started to, you know, I think, you know, when you're playing in playoff basketball, especially when you're in a situation like Detroit was in. In that first half, Coach JB probably was like, look, we gotta come out, we gotta string some stops together. We gotta get three, four, five stops. If we can put some stops together and able to put some pressure on them defensively, we gonna be all right. And, man, that's what they did. Like you said, to go that long of a drought and not score a bucket. I've never heard of that before. I'm sure that's never happened.

[Host]

No, I mean, you see, I saw. You remember Houston when they played Golden State and they missed 27 straight threes?

[Joe]

I was on the.

[Host]

That was threes, though.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host]

That wasn't no missed shot. They missed shot. They made one field goal in the fourth quarter, Joe.

[Ocho]

11 for 20.

[Host]

They scored 19 points in the second. In the second half. Damn, that is crazy.

[Ocho]

Everybody off, though. Everybody contagious.

[Host]

Just like when you saw Houston the other night, when everybody was making threes, and you're like, hold on, this guy don't even shoot threes. And he making them.

[Ocho]

You've been knocking them down. Yeah.

[Host]

And you. Same thing. You ever notice, guys, Ocho, we've been in games, everybody catching it. Everybody kept making circus damn catches. And then all of a sudden, somebody dropped one and can't nobody catch the damn ball now.

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Host]

Damn dip net. Not the fishing net. To catch the football.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, everybody. Hey. They all seem shocked to me, bro. In that second half, you know, they look like they didn't know what to do. Shout out to Detroit. I mean, I seen my boy Jack over there coaching his ass off on the sideline over there. Hey. Cause if. When teams make runs like that, bro. And you on. And you on that side and, you know, it looked like y' all were done in that first half and you able to rally back on the road.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I can't see Detroit losing game seven, fellas.

[Host]

I mean, you think. You think about it, man. I mean, like, four, 20 or nine. One or two. I mean, you look at. They went nine for 36. And like I said, they. You know how they approach the game? They approach the game just like the Falcons approach that Super Bowl, Joe.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. There you go.

[Host]

They kept throwing the ball like they were behind instead of up.

[Ocho]

Like it was up.

[Host]

You up 24. You don't need to take quick shots. Yeah, make them take the quick shots.

[Ocho]

Hey, they were trying to bury him, though. They was trying to bury them.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Host]

Okay, the boy.

[Joe]

Hey, them boy legs was shot. Look, Paulo went 0 for 9 from the 3. Yeah, he shot 12 free throws, but damn, I mean, that's. That's a tough loss, fellas. It's hard to bounce back from something like this. Now, it ain't over because you still get another shot.

[Host]

Yes, but you.

[Joe]

You in disbelief. Trust and believe,

[Ocho]

and that's crazy.

[Host]

But you know what, Joe Ocho? Sometimes when people try to bury you, they plant you in fertile soil. You got to be careful.

[Ocho]

That's a. That's a good one.

[Joe]

Yeah, Be careful.

[Host]

And I. And J.B. and I saw him on the side. They showed a close up. He said, come on, let the. Hey, we. Okay. Just keep playing. I said keep playing, bro. You down 24, and I'll be. Damn. Blue. Cool. Blue, Coop.

[Joe]

Hey, right back.

[Host]

Hey, Duncan Robinson. Miss. Rider hit a couple of those threes. Tobias Harris hit a three. Cade hit a three. And did he come down and get an and one?

[Joe]

Oh, hey. Okay. How you cut it? How you cut it or slice it? 19 points and a half, fellas.

[Ocho]

Unacceptable.

[Joe]

Come on, man. You. Hey, you. Something has to really, really. The bottom gotta really fall out. It did that for Orlando tonight.

[Host]

Joe, you do realize the. The Rocket scored eight points in the fourth quarter, right?

[Joe]

Tonight?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, did they? I didn't realize that.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. Damn.

[Host]

They had eight points in the point, Joe.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Host]

Yeah, as a matter of fact, they might. How Many points they might not score, but like TW Low 20s in the second half. 24 points in the second half.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah,

[Host]

Because the lakers outscored the four 31 to 3, 31. 8. How many points they score in the second.

[Joe]

How many points did what you call

[Host]

players score in the second half?

[Joe]

They ain't got but sitting 8.7.

[Host]

They scored 47. So they only scored eight points in the fourth.

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[Host]

So where did he get the 31 to eight from in the fourth quarter of the Rockets?

[Joe]

Let me see. Yeah. No, the Rockets scored. They scored 24 in the third and 23 in the fourth. They scored.

[Host]

Where I get that eight from?

[Joe]

They scored 13 in the. In the second quarter and 18 in

[Host]

the Magic going to score eight in the fourth.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Host]

So is the Magic to score eight in the fourth? Yeah. No, I thought the Rocket score.

[Joe]

Nah. Yeah. Yeah. The Mavs only score eight. They scored 11 in the third and eight in the fourth.

[Host]

Lord have mercy. Who scored 11?

[Joe]

Who scored 11? Orlando scored 11 in the third.

[Host]

I better not drink no more, Joe. I better put. Hey, Joe, I better. I better put this down. I put it down. Who scored? I want to know who scored 11. Matter of fact, who scored the eight?

[Joe]

I think they were some free throws if you just want me to be 100.

[Host]

Well, you only made. They only what? Made one field goal in the fourth. Yeah, one for 20 in the fourth.

[Ocho]

That's crazy.

[Joe]

Hey, man, that's pressure there, bro.

[Host]

I can't.

[Joe]

I don't know what else to tell you. You know, for. For. For. For the. For the bottom to fall out like that. And. And the post at home, game six, knowing that, you know, hell, this was your game. Seven for real. That's a tough one.

[Host]

Yeah. I mean, and you saw the fans at the end of the game, Joe. They was like this here, Joe.

[Joe]

Oh, man. Shaking their head. Hey, how.

[Host]

How do. How did we lo.

[Joe]

How do. Hey, hey, but you right, it is. It's like a. It's almost like a carbon copy of that Falcons game that first half. You seen how the fans. The fans were so enthused. They were so into the game. The players high five and they having a good time. Hey, they must have exhaled at halftime, cause, boy, they. They threw a dud.

[Host]

Matthew scored. They scored 11. They only had three more than what they had in the fourth. They scored 11 in the third quarter.

[Joe]

Yeah. Damn.

[Ocho]

That's crazy.

[Host]

What you call them going a 45, 15 run. I think the magic went on like a 45, 15 run because hey, you

[Joe]

know, Detroit only scored 12 points in the. In that second quarter. Detroit. And they returned the favor in the third and in the fourth. Damn. I don't know how. I don't know how you do that, fellas. I. I honestly do not know how that happened.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I understand maybe one or two players, but everybody being off Uncle Joe at the same time at that.

[Joe]

That's what I'm telling you. That's why it's. It's so rare, bro.

[Host]

You.

[Joe]

You never see nothing like this.

[Host]

You know, one of the guys that I've been impressed with, really, really impressed with is Tobias Harris. Because the way he's playing for Detroit, he never played like that for Philly. Philly would have won that series against. Against y', all, Joe, if he'd played like this. Yeah, he couldn't buy a basket either. People. People kill. Kill Ben Simmons.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host]

But Tobias was on the max contract and he was.

[Joe]

Yeah, he was the highest paid. He was the highest paid player on that team, if I ain't mistaken.

[Host]

He was bad, too.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

He couldn't shoot up.

[Host]

He couldn't do anything.

[Joe]

He. You know what it is? I think he had. I don't know why, but he had problem playing, playing next to MB for whatever reason.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know what I mean? And. And with Ben Simmons not being a scorer or a shooter, you know, hell, you don't really have to guard. Yeah. You. So you don't really have that much space to where guys can create and. And create different opportunities for you. But here in Detroit, uncle, if he ain't play, if. If these last three games the way he's played without, Without Tobias Harris, they're not winning. They not winning here. They only had three guys in double. In double figures.

[Host]

Yep. Him, Duncan Robinson and Cade. That's why I tell you who. Hey, he didn't score a bunch, but I didn't saw Thompson on the defensive end.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Host]

That's one thing you can say about them brothers. They brothers. You. You could tell they brothers.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

They damn d your ass up.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, they gonna do that. They gonna do that. They gonna.

[Host]

You.

[Joe]

Hey, but look, you hope to get a little bit from him offensively, though. Yes. You know, you get.

[Host]

I. I think Almond is a little better offensive player than in sore.

[Joe]

Yeah, well, you know, when you watch the game, though, he don't even really look at the basket, bro.

[Host]

No, he don't.

[Joe]

He don't.

[Host]

We had the conversation, but, bro, he in the lane eight feet away, and he turned it like Passing out, bro. Shoot that. You look like Vince Simmons on that play.

[Joe]

Yeah, you. Hey, look, K needs somebody else to be aggressive, bro, on that team.

[Host]

Yes.

[Joe]

You know, who can take some pressure off of him. You know, I just feel like they. They relied on him so much in the second half, which obviously he had it going and he led the charge, but, bro, you got to get a little bit. You got to get a little something out of Thompson, especially that game seven. You know, you're gonna need. You're gonna need a little productivity from offensively. Okay, Ocho, I think what they do great defensively is awesome, but offensively, they got to give you a little more.

[Host]

Well, that's what you work on in the off season. Because it seems like defense come naturally to them, not evolve your game. Because, hey, look, I'll give you a prime example. Kawhi Leonard. Look at Kawhi. Look at what he was, and then look at what Kawhi turned into.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

I'm not saying they can beat Kawhi, because Kawhi, that mid range is damn near unstoppable. But he developed the three. Yeah, he got the mid range. He could put it on the floor. He can get to the rim.

[Joe]

Now he's not.

[Host]

Injuries and age has robbed him of some of that defensive ability.

[Joe]

Right.

[Host]

But he's still a. Oh, boy. He hell on. You got hell on your hand on the offensive end dealing with. On trying to deal with him now.

[Joe]

Yeah, I agree. I agree. I. I think both Thompsons, especially. Especially the Thompson that plays in Detroit. I mean, you gotta put the. Yeah, a sword. You gotta put the work in. Okay, Ocho, Meaning practice, bro, because he was shooting shots tonight. They didn't even look like they were going in. He was wide open. I'm talking about corner threes.

[Host]

And he didn't think they was going in.

[Joe]

Yeah, no. Cause look, when. Hey, because when you shoot and you follow your shot right away, you know that.

[Host]

You already know it's off. Hey, it's just like I got the free throw line. When a guy shooting the ball and they think he. Damn, he the first guy to get the ball, you already know it's a bull job because he can see the fight left your head. It was a bull job.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

Cause he could say this was an unbelievable game. And now a game seven.

[Joe]

We got what?

[Host]

We got three game sevens. We got Orlando, Detroit, game seven. We got Toronto, Cleveland. Game seven. We got Philly, Boston.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. All Eastern. All Eastern conference teams.

[Host]

It could have been, except your team could have had A game seven two, Joe. But we ain't gonna talk.

[Joe]

Come on, man. Come on, yo. Come on.

[Host]

Hopefully you get your money, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. Not hey. Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Ocho]

Yeah. I'm not even worried about that money. Huh?

[Host]

You ain't worried about that?

[Ocho]

You got to understand, you know, for everything, everything has consequences that come behind it. You hear me?

[Host]

Consequences and repercussions all the time, man.

[Ocho]

It's in the Bible. Huh?

[Joe]

Oh, what's in the Bible?

[Host]

Biblical.

[Joe]

What's. What's it? What's in the Bible?

[Host]

It.

[Ocho]

Consequences and repercussions for your actions.

[Joe]

I don't give a damn about none of that.

[Ocho]

Yeah, okay.

[Joe]

Just keep it 100 with you. I spoke my piece yesterday, you know, take. Take it for what it's worth. Take, you know, however you feel. Oh, well, you know. All right. Yeah.

[Host]

Joe, that man, Joe, he said that's scripture.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. It's okay.

[Ocho]

You. You know, I'm a brother of the cloth, so I do everything by the book.

[Joe]

Okay? Okay.

[Host]

What a game. What a game, man. RJ Barrett hit a game winning three point shot in OT as the Raptors forced a game seven to beat the Cleveland Cavaliers. The Cavaliers had the game 1. Dennis Schroeder turns the ball over RJ Barrett, 24. Everybody knows Shaq, but off camera, he's just a regular guy.

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[Host]

Points 9 rebounds on 4 May threes, he's joined by Scotty Barnes, 25 points, 14 assists 7 rebounds. Also, Jacoby Walter had 24 points. He had 4, made 4 of 9 from the 3 point line and calling Murray Bowles had 17. I thought this game was in the bag, man.

[Joe]

I did, too.

[Host]

I said, I see. I said, raptors, y' all led by 12, 13 points or for a large part of the second half. And to give it this thing up in the fourth quarter, I said, oh, well, it is what it is. And the next thing you know, looked like the shot that Halliburton hit last year in.

[Joe]

In New York Knicks. Yeah.

[Host]

The ball left the screen. I'm like, well, damn. Hey, Toronto be getting some favorable buys, Joe. Remember that one Kawhi hit against Philly?

[Joe]

Yes, sir. To end them, to put him away. Yeah, you're right. You're right. They've been getting some favorable bounces, man, I told y', all, bro, it's hard to win in Toronto. I know Cleveland pretty much had this Game one, but, man, when you look at what RJ Barrett and. And Scotty Barnes does. Yeah, I see the Walter kid, he played great. But the, The. The way they play defense, you know, and James Harden and Donovan Mitchell, bro, they've been. They've been controlled. They've been controlling this. They pretty much been controlling this series. Now, it's going to be tough for them to win in Cleveland, but I think they can do it. Uncle Ocho. You know, them dudes play hard, bro. I'm talking about. It was a few times defensively, they had great defensive sequences to where it led to great offensive production. You know, they don't really have guys, you know, think about it. If they had Ingram, you know, and he was playing, you know, at that All Star caliber, like he was playing during the season. Cause he was an All Star this year, Uncle Ocho. Yeah. You know what I mean? And he didn't play. He didn't play. I think he didn't play.

[Host]

And he hadn't been playing well in the series.

[Joe]

He had. He hadn't been playing. He hadn't been playing, but I think he would have been due because that'll give you another guy who can score, go off the bounce, create. But from what they have, bro, they've been. They've been competing this entire series, even in Cleveland. I think this game, this game seven will be a toss up. I think it'd be a toss up.

[Host]

I agree. And you look at it, Joe, for Toronto to win this game and they got out, rebounded by 14. They gave up 19 offensive rebounds.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Damn.

[Host]

19. But the turnovers. You had 18 turnovers.

[Joe]

Yeah, well.

[Host]

And none more costly than that last. But look, you probably don't win the game if Shooter doesn't Give you what he does in Game 5, right? And then he giveth and he takes away. Scotty Barnes is the first player to have a 25, 5, 10, 3 and 3, which he had 25 points, several rebounds, 14 assists, three steals and three blocks since Goat James did it in 2016.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Host]

Game 7 in Cleveland on Sunday. The home team has won all six games thus at home far.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

Hey, look, this is so much pressure on James Harden. This is so much pressure, Mitchell, this game seven.

[Joe]

You're right,

[Ocho]

they playing at home.

[Joe]

No, Joe, but, but look, Ocho, we said that early in this series that we all felt this game, this, this series is gonna go seven.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Yes, they, they at home. But this is just one game, uncle Ojo, this the series, you can throw it out the window now. This is one game. Now if Toronto can come in there and be better than Cleveland, if just for this one game, bro, they can move on. Will it be challenging? Yeah, it'll be challenging, but I think it can definitely be done. You know, unless Donovan or James Harden have an out of body experience to where they one of them go for about 40, 45 on K. Oo, but it's tough. I mean, hell, you had Donovan defense,

[Host]

the way they play defense, it's hard.

[Joe]

Scotty Barnes ain't giving up that, that's what I'm saying. Look, if, if I'm Scotty Barnes and I'm guarding Donovan Mitchell, he got 24, I'm shaking his hand because guess what? He took 26 damn shots.

[Host]

It was two or 10 from the three.

[Joe]

Yeah, so I'm.

[Host]

James Harden was five or 14. He had 16 points, but it took him 14 shots to get it.

[Joe]

Yeah. So I think Toronto does a great job in defending. Hell, they one of the youngest teams in the NBA and they showing up to the party ready to play, baby.

[Ocho]

Who you got? Joe, you been against Mitchell and Harden,

[Joe]

it's hard, it's hard to bet against them. But this has been a long, grueling series and you don't really know, you know, what you're gonna get from some of them guys. And I just think, you know, the youth that Toronto has. And Toronto got some guys who can play, man.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

You know, and they've shown that throughout this series. This. If I'm a bed man, I'm probably gonna bet on Cleveland. But it's gonna be a tough one, bro. It's gonna be a tough one.

[Host]

What's the spread? And I tell you what I'm gonna bet.

[Joe]

I bet the spread can't be. It can't be no more than about.

[Host]

It's probably two. It's probably two to three points, Joe.

[Joe]

That's

[Host]

might be five. Joking.

[Joe]

I wonder what it is myself. Hold on.

[Ocho]

But, Joe. Uncle, you betting with Joe say he got the cab. I mean, if you was. I mean, you knowing you're a betting man. Who you taking?

[Host]

They got Cleveland seven and a half, Joe.

[Joe]

Do they?

[Host]

Yes. Oh, I'm take. I. Hey, I'm taking the points. Give me the points. And I. I take. I take Raptors. Damn. I might take him. I might take them out, right?

[Joe]

You ain't gonna do that. You ain't doing that.

[Host]

It'll be there.

[Joe]

Laportier talking.

[Host]

If I'm really trying to win some money.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

[Host]

I really try to win a little money, Joe. Try to put a little something in my pocket.

[Joe]

I feel. I feel.

[Host]

Hey, but I would definitely take. I would definitely take Toronto in the seven and a half.

[Joe]

I told y'. All, hey, I would have took Toronto at home against Cleveland any of these games.

[Host]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

I know, I know they got a lucky bounce tonight, but hell, man, the. The effort that those dudes been playing with, the way they've been scoring the ball, being unselfish, attacking, you know, defensively causing havoc.

[Host]

Great game.

[Joe]

That's scary.

[Host]

Scotty Barnes played 48 minutes. Joe, he played the whole game. RJ Brad played 43 minutes, Jacoby Walter played 43 minutes, and Murray Bowles played 40 minutes.

[Joe]

Hey, that's what it takes sometime.

[Host]

Evan Mobley, 41 minutes. James Harden, 44 minutes. Donovan Mitchell, 41 minutes. So it ain't like. Hey, it ain't like they got free. They gonna have fresh legs coming in either.

[Joe]

I thought Mobile in the alley. Allen gave him some great minutes tonight, too. Aug and Ocho, you know, Mobley 26 and 14, man, this is. I bet that's what. That's what Cleveland has been looking for from him for quite some time, to assert himself because he made a big. He made a big bucket to send it in overtime.

[Host]

Hell, they got that layup, lefty. Lefty layup. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

They could have lost in regulation and they went to him. And for him to deliver like that, I was like, damn, that's all right for Mobile.

[Host]

Like,

[Joe]

damn, he all right over there. I thought he said it was gonna be gone today.

[Host]

I tried to tell you, Joe. I already know the symptoms. Oh, you had a. Homeboy. I know the symptoms.

[Joe]

That boy.

[Host]

I ain't gonna speak on it, but we know now.

[Ocho]

I Don't try. Don't try to put that on me now.

[Host]

They don't put it on you. You got it.

[Ocho]

Hey, I told you. See that? See that empty bottle?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Tonight.

[Host]

And it ain't worked tonight. You told Joe yesterday. I said, joe, this thing gonna be here for a minute?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

No, I told him to go buy him some Snickers. Cause it's gonna be a while.

[Ocho]

Eight hours a bar.

[Host]

I already know, Joe. I know the symptoms. I told you had a homeboy.

[Joe]

Yeah, I know.

[Host]

I know what it is when I see it, but ain't none of my business.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

I don't even feel comfortable speaking on it with a partner of mine. So I ain't gonna speak on it. Well, I seen they got it. What is. What the chance say you got, Ocho, that bullhead clown. That was a chance say I ain't got nothing to do with me.

[Ocho]

Yo. Yeah, yo, yo. Yeah. Y' all keep me keep making fun of the common cold now with all this extra stuff, man.

[Host]

It ain't common.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Host]

Joy ain't got it.

[Ocho]

I ain't got it right now. That's how you.

[Host]

How come it is.

[Ocho]

Hold on.

[Joe]

Hey, you.

[Ocho]

You knew about it. You. You brought it to my attention. I never heard her until you mentioned.

[Host]

Just because you ain't never heard it didn't mean it exists. There are a lot of disease that people ain't never heard of. Like. I ain't never know that.

[Ocho]

I know that. Now you're trying to.

[Host]

I know. Yeah, the doctor told you. That's why you knew about you. Hey, Joe, you said I try to put it. Nah. Oh, I don't.

[Joe]

What.

[Host]

What is that? Huh? Doctor told him just yesterday, the other day. No, sir, I promise you. NyQuil ain't gonna help that.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, I'll be back right tomorrow.

[Host]

You said that yesterday. He said, hey, Chad, what do you say yesterday. Hey, one more day, Joe. Joe, one more day, man. Drunk, two balls of night Quill and getting worse. I'm almost back with two days max on Tuesday, Thursday, Fr. But you know what?

[Ocho]

I'm almost back. I don't know what kind of cold y' all be.

[Host]

Almost back from. What?

[Ocho]

It's cold here.

[Host]

Go tell me. What's the symptoms? You looking at them. Hey, you been able.

[Joe]

You've been able to work out without. With them symptoms? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Joy, I done been on the field trying to sweat this. Sweat this thing out.

[Joe]

Joe.

[Host]

Have had. You sweated it out.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Host]

No, you didn't. I still. Yo, can you. How it Sound.

[Joe]

That's what I'm saying. I heard him. I sound like he was coughing up a lung. That's why I said something. I was. Damn.

[Ocho]

Oh, no, I'm feeling. I'm feeling. I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good. What you want to get some. You going to get some more liquor?

[Host]

Don't worry about what I'm getting.

[Joe]

Ojo.

[Ocho]

What up, baby?

[Joe]

When y' all playing. When y' all playing in your soccer league again?

[Ocho]

Oh, oh, you talk about the, the real big one.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, that's. Tst. That's not. To the end of May 27th, where

[Joe]

y' all gonna be playing at?

[Ocho]

In North Carolina and Carrie and Cary, North Carolina.

[Joe]

It's gonna be jumping like that.

[Ocho]

Oh, Joe boy. Everybody. Boy, you gotta understand, teams coming from all over the world, Joe. They competing for that million dollar prize.

[Joe]

Oh, man. I'm gonna have to come down there and check y' all out.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Come on, Joe. The schedule out already? I've seen the schedule.

[Joe]

Yeah. What's the name of y' all squad?

[Ocho]

Villarreal. A team. Team out of Spain called the Yellow Submarine.

[Joe]

Oh, a team out of Spain. Oh, you got some real. You got some real hitters with you. Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

This ain't, this ain't no. Ain't no bull drive. The Villarreal is a team that played. They played with Real Madrid, Barcelona, Atletico Madrid. Like that, that, that league, they, they good. So I'm playing with some. I'm playing with some of their, the academy kids.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Some of their former players from the past.

[Joe]

Oh, man. So. So you had to put that work in on day to day basis to stay sharp.

[Ocho]

I've been going at it three months now, Joe, because I, I definitely ain't gonna be no liability.

[Joe]

Hold on. What, what, what position you play?

[Ocho]

I play the nine.

[Joe]

Help me out. For somebody who don't really know, you

[Ocho]

say you played the nine with damn near. You know what almost be like the center in basketball sometimes.

[Joe]

Oh, really?

[Ocho]

Yeah. Almost like the sending basketball.

[Joe]

So you handle the ball a lot?

[Ocho]

No, no, no, no. That. That'd be, that'd be your 10. That'd be a. Your point guard would be your 10.

[Joe]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Now, sometimes I play, I play like a false nine who could also come back and get the ball and create and create on his own for others.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

But I, I, for me, because I'm playing with people that are a little bit more experienced.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

A lot more quality on the ball than I do. I just strictly stay at the nine. So either. Either I get it. Either I get it with my back to the goal and I facilitate or. Or try to try to create and find space and maintain my runs without being outside.

[Host]

What's.

[Joe]

What's the, what's the hardest thing about playing soccer, bro?

[Ocho]

Oh, why is it?

[Joe]

Is it being in shape? Is it.

[Ocho]

It's not. Yeah. Being in shape is that. That's. That's one thing always being when you get the ball, always knowing what you want to do before you get the ball in your hands, but forget the ball at your feet, always being two steps ahead of everybody else. It's hard.

[Joe]

I would think it would be like, instinctively, you know, like. Cuz, like in basketball, right, You. It's hard to really predetermine what you're going to do with the ball. You know, you have to play off instincts. You feel what I'm saying?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And I, I would think soccer would be that way, you know, moving up and down the field like that. But you. Hey, hey, I got one question. Another question. You got. You gotta. You got a particular person or people on the team, who you trying to get the ball to? As far as who. Who scores

[Ocho]

Shoot that night? That either that nine of them wingers.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And most of the time, the better you got their midfield is, especially whoever. Whoever your team is, your 10 is your. Is your point. The better you attend. The easy it is for everybody else. Unless you got somebody that's really, really gangster on the wings that can. That could change the flow of a whole goddamn game.

[Joe]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Host]

Don't waste your time going down there, Joe.

[Joe]

You said ain't, I ain't it ain't nothing to see.

[Host]

They should put him at goalie. Hey, he got the best feet.

[Ocho]

Hell, no. I'm, I'm. I got the best feet. That's why I'm playing exactly where I'm at at the nine.

[Joe]

Hey, hold on. Why you say hell down to the goalie?

[Ocho]

Who. No, I don't mean go goalie crazy, man. I don't want no ball flying to me that fast. I'm good.

[Host]

He too small to be a goalie. Mac Kellerman said Nikola Jokic is not a top 10 player. Everybody knows Shaq, but off camera, he's just a regular guy.

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[Host]

Joker is an incredible talent. He will not be recognized correctly. He's not going to be recognized at the very greatest ever, meaning a top 10 if he sitting on one chip. I agree.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

Look at the guys. Think about all the guys that we think are top 10. None of them have just one ring.

[Joe]

Right.

[Host]

So let's just say for the. I'm just going to throw this out there. Kareem has six rings, Magic has five rings, Jordan six rings, Duncan five, LeBron four, Steph four, Kobe five, Shaq four, Russell 11, Chamberlain three or two, Elijah one, two. So whomever you think are a top 10 player, none of them have just one championship.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

You're right.

[Joe]

You gotta have multiple in your back pocket now.

[Ocho]

But God damn. I mean, just earlier in the conversation during the regular season, they were saying, I mean, everybody would talk about they won't have to put joke in their top five at some point.

[Host]

If he wins enough now, it's gonna be hard. He get. He wins three. He got three regular season MVPs. He got two final MVPs. He's not done. Yeah. Let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, he gets another regular season mvp. That's four. Now he has another finals championship and a Finals mvp. Now we got to seriously consider where we put it. We really do.

[Joe]

His numbers. His numbers stack up with the best of them, though.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that's. That's crazy how the number stacked up with the best of them. But now the conversation is changing because now then he didn't got sent home

[Host]

because all the others parlayed those numbers and the championships, right?

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Host]

And at the end of the day, that's what you have to do.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

He's a phenomenal talent.

[Joe]

He is.

[Host]

He ruby his ability to score.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

And plus the problem that's hurt, he don't even attempt to play defense. Everybody else attempted to play defense. Right. Obviously we know Russell, but they didn't keep a track of lock shots until the 70s.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

And so you look at Elijah one, you look at Duncan, you look at Jordan, you look at Kobe, you look at LeBron, even Shaq made an all NBA team defensively.

[Joe]

Yeah. I think because offensively he's so deceptive as far as being a Great score, great playmaker, great rebounder. But defensively to some degree, yeah, he, he is somewhat of a liability because you gonna, you know, he ain't really gonna be up on the pick and roll like that. He always gonna kind of be in a drop. So therefore, hell, in this league, your point guards, your two guards, your threes, these are great pick and roll guys. These are guys who put the ball in hole.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So they gonna always go at him. They're gonna always go at him. If you notice the, the great ones, especially if you're a liability defensively, you can be greatest all you want to on offense. What we have to do is attack you defensively.

[Host]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

Because you can't save all that energy for offense. We got to make, you know, some of that on defense.

[Host]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Joe]

And that's what teams have been doing.

[Host]

Yes. And people criticize them because they're like, bro, you ain't even attempted to play no defense. I can understand if he was attempting. But all the guys got to do is once he gets on the edge, he's getting to the basket.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

Uninhibited.

[Joe]

Well, because he ain't no shop.

[Host]

We mentioned the other Big Joe. You look at Duncan, Duncan's a 15 time all NBA selection. We look at Elijah one, many regard him as the one or the two second best defensive center in the history of the game.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

Russell.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

And so now we look at that guy. Okay. We look at Kareem was an 11 time all NBA selection. LeBron, Kobe, Jordan. It's just gonna, it's just gonna be hard. And his off. Like you said, Joe, his offensive numbers are worthy.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Host]

His MVPs are worthy.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

But he has one chip. We don't even really think, we don't even really consider you unless you got two to three.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host]

I mean if you think about it, other than Elijah one and, and Chamberlain and I don't know, some people have Chamberlain in, some people have him out. Because it's hard to overlook a guy that got 3260 points game and 150, 50 point game. It's hard to overlook him and say he not a top tier player, Joe. But some people do. But if you look at Kareem is six and it's six and six, Jordan is six and five, LeBron is four and four, Steph is four and two, Shaq is four chips and, and, and, and, and an MB in an MVP. He got four chips in MVP. Right. Who else were we talking about? Magic.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

It's five and three, Bird is three and three, it's gonna be hard with one chip for you to crack it.

[Joe]

Yeah, it's too many greats. It's too many greats in there with multiple championships. I definitely agree, but he still got a lot of basketball ahead of him. Yeah, I don't know. Well, I know Denver ain't letting his ass go. He gonna have to. He, he, he gonna have to be there now.

[Host]

He about to get. He about. What is, what is he eligible for this year? He's eligible for an extension. Probably close to 300 million.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. No, he gonna get that. Wait, he gonna sign that and go right back over to his ranch. Yeah, with his horses.

[Ocho]

That's all. That's all he care about. Playing basketball and them damn horses, boy.

[Host]

No, Jordan is not six for six. Jordan has six championships. He has five MVPs. So I was. That's what I was living. Kareem is six and six. Six finals, win six rings, six MVPs. Kobe is five and, and, and one. Five titles, one MVP. LeBron is four and four. Shaq is one, is four and one. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying. I'm not saying how many wins you have in the finals. I'm saying the chips.

[Joe]

Shaggy only got one MV. You mean Shaq only got one MVP.

[Host]

He only got one regular season MVP. He has three Finals MVPs to go along with the four regulars. With the four titles.

[Joe]

Damn. I thought he would. I thought he. I thought he would have more than that, considering how.

[Host]

Remember he lost. He lost to Steve Nash when he was down in Miami.

[Joe]

Right. Well,

[Host]

eligible for a four year, 290 million dollar extension.

[Ocho]

God damn. Wait, that. After this season? This season?

[Host]

After the season.

[Joe]

So he gonna sign that this summer?

[Host]

Yes. Chat, listen to what I'm saying. When I said six for six. Kareem has six regular season MVPs, six titles. Jordan has six titles, five regular season MVPs. Magic has five titles, three regular season MVPs. Bird has three titles, three regular season MVPs. Are you following what I'm saying? Or. I mean. Or do you eat crayons? I just need to know. So. So did you. Did you get stars and cookies for grades? I'm confused now because I made it abundantly clear. I said LeBron is four and four. He has four titles, four regular season MVP. So tell me what. What you're missing, Chat.

[Joe]

I think. I think the way you broke it down just then, they got it. They should have.

[Host]

Damn. Cause I'm wondering, Joe. I. I'm Just wondering. Somebody got certificates and not diplomas for graduation.

[Joe]

You said, hey, you saying they got them paper turkeys hanging on the wall?

[Host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

They ate. They ate crayons, huh?

[Host]

I'm just. I'm just saying, because clearly, George, six for six, this guy. I said, guys, we're talking because Max Kellerman said, because he has one title, he didn't mention the MVPs.

[Joe]

Right.

[Host]

I said, because look at the MVP, look at the guys. And I said, joe, I said, look at the guys that's in the top 10.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

What do they have? They have titles and they have mvp. Multiple titles.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Host]

Everybody that we look at that are the top 10 player has multiple titles.

[Joe]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Right.

[Joe]

Hey, he. He got some time, though. He got some time.

[Host]

Oh, for sure, for sure. And his. And. And Joe, his body. And because he doesn't rely on athleticism, he can play for a while.

[Joe]

There you go.

[Host]

This is what is so ex. So impressive about LeBron. Because LeBron was so athletic, he had to reinvent himself.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

Tom Brady is a prime example. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees never relied on athleticism.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Host]

So when they got slow, who cared? They weren't running away from anybody anyway.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Right.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Right.

[Host]

Even they was in year three, they was running seven flat 40. So now when they. For 38, 39 Ocho. And they run an eight flat 40, who cares?

[Ocho]

Right.

[Host]

It's the guys that relied on athleticism, as that starts to wane.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Host]

That you run into the problem.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

And you really have to reinvent yourself in order to like to stay at that level. That's why it's so hard when guys are so athletic and all of a sudden they have an injury, Joe. And you know this. In basketball, a guy that's super athletic and he has an injury, it's hard for them to ever be the same.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

Because they become so reliant on their athleticism.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Host]

That's why Bird, if Bird back didn't go out, Bird could have played better because he wasn't relying on athleticism.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

And because Jokic isn't reliant on athleticism,

[Joe]

he gonna be able to play for

[Host]

a long spot, Joe. Another three to five years. Yeah.

[Joe]

He gonna be able to play for a long time. He could. You know, because a lot of cats who are super, who are naturally just God gifted athletically, from what I've seen, Uncle Oo, they ain't really had to work on their game like that.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

You know, because they just been so much gifted than everybody else. Now you get a cat who ain't as gifted athletically, but he work his ass off. Yeah. He'll be around for a long time.

[Host]

Yes.

[Joe]

Hey, hey. I ain't telling y' all what I know. I'm telling you. You know what I done seen. Yeah.

[Host]

Yes. Check this out, guys. Malik Willis threw out the first pitch at a Marlins game today. Let's take a look.

[Joe]

Oh, Damn.

[Host]

What was that,

[Ocho]

man? Hey, Malik, Malik, don't. He never. He might say he never played. No. No. Baseball. Uhuh.

[Joe]

Oh, man. Hey, hey, y.

[Ocho]

Hey, it's. It's funny, though. You see him throw that baseball right there like that?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Watch. Watch him throw a football. And watch how it look, man.

[Joe]

Hey, when you got athletic ability, you. You should be able to do that.

[Ocho]

You should be. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Joe. How. Hey, how far is that mound from the plate?

[Host]

What? 60ft, 6 inches?

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, Joey, I don't think it's that easy.

[Joe]

Ocho, Ocho. I threw a first pitch out in Yankee Stadium. Homeboy straight across the plate. Don't play with me.

[Host]

You fastball right down the middle, and

[Joe]

I'm surprised y' all can't find it. Right down.

[Ocho]

I got to see that joke.

[Joe]

Yankee Stadium right down the pipe.

[Ocho]

I got to see that, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know, listen, if you don't have a. If you don't have a baseball background, you know, throwing from. Going from 60 with. However far it is away, it ain't.

[Joe]

Well, listen, hold on, hold on. Well, you know, when they. When they select you to throw out the first pitch, you don't just walk your ass out the stands, too.

[Host]

You better be. I've been practicing.

[Joe]

Yeah. They let you. They should let you go down like I was down. Hey, look, I'm down there with Jeter and Rodriguez and all.

[Host]

I'm down there.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, you get some work in, man.

[Host]

What you talking about? Hold on for a second, Joe. Ash. What? How far is home plate for the picture behind the home plate?

[Ocho]

I don't know what she said.

[Host]

I don't know. It's 60ft, 6 inches.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, Joe, what's happening?

[Ocho]

Hey, that. I'm not. Not that. You just mentioned that. Hey, Unc, you think the Reds will let me throw out a pitch?

[Host]

The Reds or the Marlins? You a home guy. Time got the Marlins.

[Ocho]

The Reds or the Marlins? Either one.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, I like that.

[Ocho]

Cause, you know. You know, I used to pitch back. Back in the. Back in the league now.

[Joe]

Oh, here you go.

[Host]

Here we go.

[Joe]

Joe, I bet you can't even make it reach the plate.

[Ocho]

Well, Joe, I throw about 102. Joe.

[Joe]

Now you don't. Joe, all right? Hey, you may throw 102, but that ain't controlled.

[Ocho]

Ain't.

[Host]

Don't worry about it going nowhere near the plate.

[Ocho]

It's gonna get across that plate. Hey, you know, Joe, I was a five tooler in high school.

[Joe]

Now use a what?

[Ocho]

Five tooler. I did. Did everything shortstop. I could play out a lawnmower, a

[Host]

edger, a hole, a rake.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, y'.

[Jacob Goldstein]

All.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, I can't help it because I was athletic.

[Host]

Oh, we saw your athleticism on full display. Everybody saw it while you talking.

[Joe]

Yeah, every.

[Ocho]

Every Sunday at 1:00'.

[Host]

Clock.

[Ocho]

That was me.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah, every Sunday at 1 o'.

[Host]

Clock.

[Ocho]

Matter of fact. Hey, I got. I got Sunday league, too. Hey, Uncle Joe, y' all need to come to my game.

[Joe]

Sunday league?

[Ocho]

Yeah, I play soccer at Kendall Soccer park every Sunday, so y' all need to come support.

[Host]

Oh, Joe, you probably won't even hit 65 miles an hour with the throw the ball.

[Ocho]

Hey, that's disrespectful, though. Serious.

[Joe]

Hey, I bet you I know you can't get in that batting cage and hitting that.

[Ocho]

Oh, I don't want no part of that, bro.

[Joe]

You scared, Joe.

[Ocho]

I don't want no part of that. You hear me? Now, listen. Hey, I'm one thing. I know I got some sense. I know I play around a lot, but I got some sense. I don't want. Don't put me in no batting cage. I don't want nothing coming at me. Anything over 80. 80 miles an hour. No, sir.

[Host]

You probably ain't hitting 80.

[Ocho]

Oh, I. I could have tell you that. You ain't gonna hit it either.

[Host]

I can hear a.

[Ocho]

No. No, you can't.

[Host]

What you want bet?

[Ocho]

No, no, you. No, you can't. No, you cannot.

[Host]

Oh, yo, just cause you can't die. He don't want me or Joe.

[Ocho]

Hey, ain't nobody on this chat with a mic in front of their mouth. Hitting 80 miles an hour with no batting cage. I tell you that.

[Joe]

I can.

[Ocho]

No, you can't.

[Host]

I can hear that.

[Ocho]

Hey, now, that's something we need to go do because ain't nobody. I'm. I'm. Oh, I could be real about it. I'm being. I'm being. I'm being honest.

[Joe]

You being honest.

[Host]

That has already seen you on display with your athleticism.

[Ocho]

Yes, I told you every Sunday at

[Host]

1 o' clock in football. And he can't do nothing outside of football. It's unbeknownst to me who.

[Joe]

I'm.

[Ocho]

I'm better at soccer than I am in football. What are you talking about? I don't care nothing about basketball.

[Host]

Unfortunately, we didn't play no soccer games. But you look like trash in all the other games that you replay.

[Ocho]

I look great in those games.

[Host]

No, you.

[Joe]

No, don't do that.

[Ocho]

Don't do that. I did. Just because y'. All. Just because y' all won, I trash you in bowling. What you talking about? He talk about looking bad, and I

[Host]

whipped him in bowling. First of all, I won the first game, but I tore my meniscus and so I wouldn't be. I wasn't able to get down like I was supposed to. But you can't beat me in no damn boat.

[Ocho]

That's your excuse? You cannot beat me in nothing, man.

[Host]

Joe, I got a torn meniscus to prove it.

[Joe]

That's your fault, Ocho. You act like we didn't just have some. We didn't just play some games. And you went over.

[Ocho]

That was three, four months ago. Why y' all still talk about that?

[Host]

But it happened. That's what I'm saying.

[Ocho]

When we gonna do. Why are we waiting so long to do something again?

[Joe]

Because y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Host]

Y' all gonna.

[Joe]

That.

[Ocho]

That's y'. All.

[Joe]

Y', all.

[Ocho]

Y'. All.

[Host]

He mad. Not Joe. He big bad.

[Ocho]

Now I'm half of what. I'm just saying. Can we do something new? Y' all still talking about this old ass stuff.

[Host]

What you want to do, Ocho?

[Ocho]

I want to play pool. I want to do ping pong. I want to do darts. I want to throw in the ax. Like, let's do something else.

[Joe]

Ocho. You can't.

[Host]

You ain't.

[Joe]

Your pool game ain't like that. I know it. I can tell.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe, you doing too much talking. That's how I know you're not good at it. That's not even part of your game. Talking. I'm ready, man. Ping pong, please. Like, what are we talking about?

[Host]

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