Nightcap Hour 2: Master P JOINS Nightcap + Michigan DOMINATES Tennessee + Paul Pierce believes LeBron, Steph & KD NO LONGER Number 1’s

Summary

Nightcap Hour 2: Master P Joins Nightcap + Michigan DOMINATES Tennessee + Paul Pierce’s Bold Take on LeBron, Steph & KD No Longer Number 1’s

Podcast: Nightcap
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (“Unc” & “Ocho”), and “Joe”
Special Guest: Master P (“Pete”)
Date: March 30, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap is packed with rapid reactions to the latest college basketball tournament thrillers, featuring special guest Master P. The crew provides their trademark unfiltered takes on Duke vs. UConn, Michigan’s blowout win over Tennessee, and reacts to Paul Pierce’s assertion that LeBron, Steph, and KD can no longer be the lead stars for a championship squad. Master P brings an inside perspective on basketball culture, player empowerment, and coaching in today’s college game, while the hosts keep it candid, humorous, and insightful.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Master P Talks Coaching, Player Development & Change in College Basketball

Timestamp: [02:27] – [37:44]

Technical Difficulties & Warm Welcome

• After playful banter about Master P’s shaky Zoom connection ("Hey, Pete, get off AOL." – Shannon, 03:03), the conversation launches into college basketball.

On UConn’s Dramatic Comeback vs. Duke

• Shannon: "Duke’s up 19 point. They're in complete control... But UConn stayed composed... How were they able to do that, Pete?" ([03:54])
• Master P: "Teamwork and not giving up. Shout out to Kayla Foster – that's one of my kids... It was just one of those nights. You can’t give up…" ([04:20])

Duke’s Recurring Meltdowns:

• Shannon: "It's a reoccurring theme... John Shire... keeps losing these big ass leads with probably the more talented of the teams." ([04:47])
• Master P: "These coaches are recycled... we need more of us as coaches to understand the players. Like what Deion Sanders is doing – we need more of that in basketball." ([05:17])
• Emphasizes need for player-centric coaching and more opportunities for Black coaches.

Relating to Today’s Athlete:

• Master P: "We got to teach them tough love but also be able to communicate in love, too… these kids are making money now. You talking to multimillionaires; it’s different." ([07:07])
• Supports the transfer portal: "Why can't the players do that? ... These coaches changing places. If the coach can go, players should too." ([07:31])

Accountability in College Programs:

• On Changing the Coaching Narrative: "Schools have to invest in the students… athletic directors, presidents – it’s a business. At LSU – all about the students, but coaches aren't investing back into the real product." ([10:25])

Master P’s Coaching Ethos & Impact:

• On his work at U. of New Orleans: "I did this for free… I left a program better than when I got there… put a $1.3 million Jumbotron, redid the facility, all on me... it's bigger than basketball." ([17:05])
• On recruiting: "I'm not gonna lie… this is a year commitment. I want your kid for four, but coaches look for someone else every year. I’m about preparing young men for life, not just the NBA." ([23:12])

On Player Empowerment:

• Shannon: "You okay if a kid kills it for you, then hits the portal?"
• Master P: "I'm not gonna hold a kid back… I'm building players to be great. If you can go to a bigger university, do it." ([25:32])

Fatherhood & Son’s Journey:

• Shannon: "Seeing your son’s growth from middle school to college must make you proud."
• Master P: "Mercy has his own journey… No one gave us nothing. My son be checking the best player on the floor… we break generational curses. Be killers on the court and in the classroom." ([29:37])

Memorable Quote

"We all have 75 summers on this planet… got to stop worrying about what people think. My son, he ain't showing no mercy." – Master P, [30:12]

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2. Duke-UConn Postgame Analysis & Michigan-Tennessee Blowout

Timestamp: [40:49] – [54:33]

Duke-UConn: Talent vs Experience

• Shannon: "Duke… probably got three lottery picks, but they've underachieved… UConn is the veteran ballclub." ([40:49])
• Joe: "UConn playing with juniors at the one and two. Duke got a freshman out there who ain’t never been in that environment." ([42:12])
• On the Clutch Moment: "It took a shot from God… missed every three he taken, then banged that one – the one that mattered." – Uncle Ocho ([47:11])

On the Sting of Near-Miss for Duke

• The hosts empathize with Duke’s heartbreak, but acknowledge readiness and composure matter under pressure.

Michigan Dominates Tennessee:

• Shannon: "Michigan advanced to the Final Four for the first time since 2018... this wasn’t even close." ([51:23])
• Joe: "Michigan got some size. Lindenberg… looked like a young Joe Johnson out there. Michigan has a chance." ([52:52], [53:49])
• Shannon: "This is gonna be a great game against Arizona. Both got size, both got guys can run, both can shoot." ([53:54])

Lighthearted Moment:

“This thing about to get Bubba Sparks. It’s about to get ugly.” – Shannon, on Michigan’s demolition of Tennessee ([52:01])

Playful Bracket Banter:

• Ocho is declared bracket king, thanks to his “pick the animal mascots” strategy—leading to jokes about crowns, paper hats, and basketball IQ. ([56:02])

"All he did was pick animals. That’s why you goin’ with the Husky." – Shannon ([56:17])

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3. Paul Pierce’s “No Longer Number 1” Take: LeBron, KD, Steph

Timestamp: [58:32] – [69:06]

Paul Pierce's Claim & Reactions

• Shannon reads Pierce's take: "KD doesn’t influence winning like he used to… they can’t be the best player on your championship team right now." ([58:32])
• Joe: "There's some truth. You put so much on Bron, KD, and Steph… as you get up in age, things start to happen out of nowhere." ([59:26])
• Shannon: "We've never asked someone at their ages to lead a championship team… it just shows how great they are that we have that expectation." ([60:31])

The Old Guard - Still Respect, but Reality Sets In:

"It’s the right message, wrong messenger. People have pushback because it’s Paul Pierce actually saying it, but it’s true." – Uncle Ocho ([61:47])

LeBron, Luka, and the Young Guns

• On Luka vs LeBron: "At this stage, he’s better than LeBron. LeBron’s only playing 34, 35 minutes, taking 16 shots a game." – Shannon ([63:09])
• On the demands of the game: "You asking a man 41 years of age to give you those numbers nightly… but it’s a young man’s game, bro." – Joe ([63:43])
• Discussion about Luka’s “deceptive” but effective play style: "He doesn’t look fast, but you can’t stop it… that’s being deceptive." – Joe ([64:45])

Team Dynamics Now for Superstars

• LeBron as “third option” okay if role players are stepping up – team construction more complex at this stage.

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Notable Quotes

• Master P: "We gotta teach them tough love but also be able to communicate in love, too." ([07:07])
• Shannon: "You asking a man 41 years of age to give you those numbers... it’s a young man’s game, bro." ([63:50])
• Uncle Ocho: "Right message, wrong messenger – but it’s a testament to how great they are, still doing it at this level." ([61:47])
• Joe: "Luka’s offense is his defense, bro... You just have to hope he has an off night." ([65:15])

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Memorable Moments

• Master P’s pitch to parents: "Send me your son as a kid, I'll return him as a grown man... I can't promise NBA, but I promise a degree and a young Black man you’ll be proud of." ([22:36])
• Brackets Debacles & Animal Mascot Jokes: Ocho’s winning bracket strategy of picking animal mascots ("That’s why you going with the Husky, Bill.") ([56:17])
• Bubba Sparxxx Reference: "This thing about to get Bubba Sparks. It’s about to get ugly." ([52:01])

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Important Segments & Timestamps

| Segment/Topic | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------------------|---------------| | Master P Joins, UConn-Duke Analysis, Coaching Talk | 02:27–37:44 | | Master P on Son's Journey (Mercy) | 29:37–32:28 | | Duke-UConn Game Breakdown | 40:49–48:25 | | Michigan’s Blowout vs. Tennessee | 51:23–54:33 | | Bracket King Banter (Animal Mascots) | 56:02–57:44 | | Paul Pierce’s Hot Take: KD/LeBron/Steph No Longer #1| 58:32–64:18 | | LeBron, Luka & the Evolution of NBA Leadership | 64:18–69:06 |

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Tone and Style

The episode is candid, energetic, and conversational—true to the personalities of Shannon Sharpe, Ochocinco, and their guest. There’s a mix of deep basketball insight, player advocacy, humor, and cultural commentary, making it as entertaining as it is informative.

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This episode is a must-listen for anyone invested in college hoops, the evolution of coaching, and the shifting dynamics in the NBA. Whether you care about X’s and O’s or just love the culture, Unc and Ocho keep it real all night long.

Transcript

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Why do we try so hard?

[Pete]

So I can breathe.

[Shannon]

Why do you need to breathe?

[Pete]

So I can think.

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[Shannon]

Oh, here he is. We got a very special guest join. There's my dog, LA. Make him say ah. The CEO guy that created one of the most iconic record labels in in in in rap history, in hip hop history. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Master P. P, what it do, P? I think you muted P. You got too much money to have that thing doing glitchy like that.

[Joe]

No, P. Old school, man.

[Shannon]

Hey, Pete, get off aol.

[Joe]

He got the dial up over there.

[Shannon]

Yeah, he got the dial up. He got the last one. Pk, you hear us?

[Joe]

He trying to figure it out, man.

[Shannon]

Now see, now I got somebody. Got somebody worse than that.

[Joe]

You muted P. You done what?

[Pete]

All right, y' all can hear me?

[Shannon]

Yeah, here we go. We finally got. Finally got somebody that's worse than technology.

[Pete]

What's up, P? Man, how you doing today, man? I can't complain, man.

[Shannon]

Let's talk about the game. UConn and Duke. Duke's up 19 point. They're in complete control of this ball game. The guys are playing well. Cam Boozer is doing what Cam Boozer does, what he's done all year. He's probably going to be player of the year. He's having an outstanding game. How was Yukon able to stay composed, stay poised, keep their composure and claw all the way back? And it took a 35 foot miracle, but they got it done. How were they able to do that, Pete?

[Pete]

Teamwork and not giving up. Shout out to Kayla Foster. That's one of my kids, man. Tough kid. Played with my son Mercer in high school. They won a state championship together. So it was just one of those nights. I mean, if you know sports, you can't give up. I mean, I don't care how much you down, whoever going to work the hardest, whoever going to come together, they all jail together. And it was just one of those magical nights for UConn again.

[Shannon]

But it's a reoccurring theme with the Duke program. Two years ago they had a nine point lead. They had a nine point lead against NC State. They had a 14 point lead against Houston. They had a big lead this year. In the regular season against North Carolina, you had a 19 point lead. Now whether it's fair or unfair to say they keep. John Shire, who's been the head coach, is gagging these things away. Whether it's fair or unfair, the fact of the matter is Pete, he keep losing these big ass leagues with the probably the more talented of the teams.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Pete]

Now he definitely had a talented team. I feel like this team should be going to the final Four right now. And it's just, man, when you think about it, right, the coach from North Carolina, he's not going to be there no more. I mean, it's the same type of situation. But, you know, I mean, I'm just glad I'm in a position where I could see this and understand it. We need more of us as coaches to understand the players. And I just think what Deion Sanders is doing, we need more of that now in the basketball world. And so I think. I mean, that's what this game is going to. Because a lot of kids can relate to us, and they understand. But, you know, are we getting those opportunities? And this is. This is going to definitely show that we deserve, because we don't get to keep those opportunities at the same time, too. It's like these coaches are being recycled to different programs, but we don't get that, and we have to change that narrative. And, you know, I tell people all the time, it's the traditional thinking, and we have to get out of that mindset.

[Joe]

Yeah, I agree with you, Pete. I think that we do need more formal, professional guys, whether it's football, basketball, because I feel like these guys, these young guys coming out now, they can. They can relate. They can relate to us a lot better. You feel what I'm saying? Or we can give them an understanding of the game because we know where they trying to go. Were you trying to go pro?

[Pete]

I'm not saying. Think about it, right? Not saying that they can't coach us, but I'm just looking at the Iowa coach, right? You guys, look what our coach said. He started off, and I'm glad he made that statement. He's come from a division, too. He started off just screaming, talking to the players any kind of way. And his wife told him, you have to be able to treat these guys like you gonna treat me. His whole problem.

[Shannon]

There you go.

[Pete]

Think about it. Like, we know that, because even Coach Sampson to. My son is a drill sergeant, but I know he's a father figure, and I know that he got real love for my son, so I allow him to coach my son like that. And I just think that because we don't. We want to give these kids nothing. We got to teach them to touch the tough love, but we also got to be able to communicate in love, too.

[Uncle Ocho]

And.

[Pete]

And that's why I got deep into this coaching thing now, because I realized that a lot of these coaches don't understand us. So I know that I understand how to manage people. I understand how to treat young adults, especially young adults that's making money now. Like, it's different from what we were playing, right? When we was playing college. We wasn't making no Money. So it's like, okay, you crazy and we trying to get there, but now you got multimillionaires that you're talking to like this and you wondering why. And I'm being honest with you, right? And at first when the transport porter thing came open, I wasn't really for. But then when I see how these coaches changing places and going these different places, I'm like, why can't the players do that then? You know what I'm saying? Black fact, if they go and say, I'm going somewhere else if you don't do me, right. I just think that it's a, it's a good opportunity. Now this is a year commitment to any school you go to and you get a chance to see if the coach is going to do you right.

[Joe]

Absolutely. I think, I think you're absolutely right about that. These kids nowadays, they not taking a lot of lip, dog, like, you know, disrespect. They ain't taking that off dump. They dipping look mid season, I'm making calls already trying to see what this, what, what, what, what the halls need next year. Cause I'm in the portal. They ain't playing. So I agree with you. But I think when you do have a coach who you can relate to, who, who understands the position that you in and where you trying to go, he can lead you in the right direction if you're able to listen and take heed to what he's saying and buy into his system. At the end of the day, you know, you got all these dudes coming out of high school who are pretty good. And then when they get to college here, you, everybody pretty good. You know what I mean?

[Pete]

So you got, you got McDonald's all Americans and five stars. When they get to college, they not that no more.

[Joe]

There you go. There you go.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

You got to realize that you know this firsthand. Have been a coach.

[Pete]

Yes.

[Shannon]

The way you got coached. You can't coach them kids like that. Not P.E.

[Pete]

nah, man, n

[Shannon]

Grab you all in your chest, grab you by your jersey. You walking away, he's like, yeah, guess what?

[Pete]

It don't even look right no more. Y'.

[Shannon]

All.

[Pete]

My coach could have did it does thing back in the day. If you do that right now, you going to jail. Let's be honest.

[Shannon]

Yeah. You definitely losing your job.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Like that lady in Atlanta say, you about to lose your job.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, AP Yeah. What is it going to take? When you think about the, the blue blood schools or the Power 5 schools or some of this bigger programs, what is it going to take? What has to change to be able to change the narrative and to get coaches that look like you, you know, that understand the game, that have played the game, that can relate to the players maybe a little better than the coaches that are coaching at the highest level. What is it going to take to change the narrative and get coaches that look like yourself to coach some of these big schools?

[Pete]

Well, the school's gonna have to go back into investing into the students. I feel like the schools are feeling the students because they not even caring what the students want. It's all about give me this culture. Think about it right now when you know, we got a whole bunch of things going on in the south right now in Louisiana, when LSU coach just came back, went to North Carolina State and the guy came back, everybody's going crazy. But thing about it is who, what, who asked the students, what did they want? Nobody. Right in the, in the school just built on the students. And so we got to go back to asking the students and talking to the students and communicating with the students. Because even at my school, right, like it's all about the students. And a lot of these coaches is not about that. These, these athletic directors, the presidents of these companies, you know, it's a business in which to me LSU is probably one of the biggest business now because they know how to do it, they know how to get it done and, and it don't matter what it costs, they're going to get it done. But at the same time, how do we take care of the students? Because we taking care of coaches. But the students is the product. And once people understand that, the real product, that's like being in the league, right? In the league, we don't care what coaches come in. I'm only as good as the players I have. If I have LeBron and Luke on my team, then I'm as good as them. But a lot of coaches don't understand that. But we understand, especially the ones that played the game. We know one thing, we can't play the game for the players. So we only as good as we could make the players that we have better. And I think a lot, a lot of coaches are not putting that type of potential back into the players is all about them. It's all about X's and O. But this is not an exit O business mode. That's why I can be a head coach of any program. That's why I have programs talking to me now. It wouldn't happen 10 years ago. Wouldn't happen 15 years. Wouldn't happen 5 years ago, right? But now Rams are seeing. These are marketing companies. All these sports companies out in college, they are marketing company. If you look at LSU, they spending $25 million in a marketing team. Soon as soon as Wade got the job, it was. It was billboards plastered all over from New Orleans to Baton Rouge to everywhere. It's a marketing company now we are. They are creating stars. And if you guys. If you don't have a star player, if you don't have a star code, it's. Time to get the donuts to why

[Shannon]

are we trying so hard?

[Pete]

So I can breathe.

[Shannon]

Why do you need to breathe?

[Joe]

So I can think.

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If I can breathe. If I can breathe, I can think. I can think. If I can think. If I can think, then I can win leagues.

[Shannon]

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[Pete]

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[Shannon]

Yeah, where did you decide? When did you decide to throw into this coach? And I know you, you probably had that little itch for a period of time. But when did you decide? It's like, you know what? I'm going all in. Put your name out there says, you know what? I want to be a head coach of a basketball team.

[Pete]

Well, so let me tell you what happened, right? So New Orleans gave me that bug. I got a chance to see this and be assistant. I got a chance to be the president of basketball operations. But guess what people said when I first started doing it? Oh, they didn't gave me a bag. But nobody realized that I did this for free. I gave this to my community, to the culture. It was all about the kids, what I'd done. I left a program better than when when I was there. That program is left Better that I'm gone now, right? That program with a $1.3 million Jumbotron. We ain't had a Jumbotron since 20 years ago. When Hurricane Katrina came, I made sure they had that. I redid the arena, I redid the practice facility, I redid out locker rooms, I redid the floors. And this is all on me. This is a state funded school. Think about it. No president at that school, no AD at that school has spent their own money and do the things that I did for the University of New Orleans. Because I love my city and I want. It's bigger than basketball. This is about education. I feel like if the basketball program win, then all of a sudden we're going to get more student enrollment. Our student enrollment been down since Hurricane Katrina. And so that's when the bug came to me because I start saying, man, why this university and its leadership is filling the students the same thing, right? Man, the students never get a verse. They made more bigger deal me leaving. I had left after the last game because I completed my year there. That's how I committed to a year done it, right? But they made more flack about me leaving than talking to the students about how to make the program better or even, you know, we went through this transition where LSU take took it over, right? And you guys can go see a lot that I'm talking about. It's already in everything that been months ago that I don't put out, that the, the medium put out. But they never focus on the students. And that's why I say they make all this noise to negativity, but nothing into positive. Like the students, you know, changing the colors to purple and gold. You already has. LSU is one of the biggest programs in Baton Rouge, New Orleans, a Division 1 university which now we don't know if it's gonna go to Division 2. And so my thing was I said, man, the way these coaches treat these players is different. And I can't allow, I gotta get out here. I'm talking about I get on the road, I see it, I see it everywhere. And I'm like, man, with a real love. And like the old coaches, I had that come pick you up, make sure you got something to eat, take, you know, making sure you get your grades all that time. We don't have more old school coaches like that, man, it's all about day checks. If I don't get my check, nobody would done what I done. But I spent millions of dollars. Nobody would do that. They paying these coaches to come to these Universities, they paying these coaches to, to, to build a program. We, we, we had a gambling problem before I got to the school. I want to ask you guys, did you know if the University of New Orleans was a Division 1 basketball program before I got there, did you hear anything about it?

[Joe]

I didn't, no.

[Pete]

Any one of y'?

[Shannon]

All?

[Joe]

No.

[Pete]

So think about what I did single handedly with social media and getting out in the marketplace, going to the school, talking to the students, asking them what they want, right? We don't have them. I'm walking around with a bullhorn, getting kids to come to the game, going out there, taking care of my players, man, I had to fight for, to have a cooler in the locker room and we got to deal with Coca Cola. So I put the cooler in there and then I don't have a credit card, a school credit card. So it's like they don't, they don't even fulfill the coolers with protein or Gatorade or water. I had to do that the whole year myself. Say, this is a state funded school, man, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this the right way. Because look, I turned this program around. They won four games last year. We end up hitting 15. We could have won 20 something this year. We almost made it to March Madness. We made it to the first time in eight years to the SLC playoffs. So I'm like, man, imagine now me taking this to the next level. And yeah, I'm still working, still learning all other things, but I feel like putting the right pieces behind me that I could go take over any program because this is not about a title with me and a lot of these coaches about title. A lot of these ads. I mean, I like what Will Wade did. He came in there because he understand this is title driven, right? So he got a ad advisory so he don't have to report to the ad. You don't have to report to the ad he got. They, they brought an ad from Magnet State that he know that understand him and understand the way he worked. Because that's what this about, man. Like a lot of these programs is based on the titles and a lot of these presidents of these companies, ads of these companies, they don't understand what the basketball and football program mean to the school. And yes, we need great educators, but we also need business people in these schools too to make this work. Because. Funded

[Shannon]

P. What's your pitch when you go out, when you, you get, you get a job? What's your pitch when you Go into mom. So you go into grandma's, you go into grandpa, you go in mom and dad house. What's your pitch when you sit down on the couch and say, look here. Yeah, send me your son. Send me your son as a kid. I'm going to return him to you as a grown man. I'm going to return you a well respected individual in the community. I'm going to return you someone that has a college degree. Now, I can't promise you he gonna get to the NBA, but I can promise you he's going to get a college degree if he stays with me for four years. And I'm gonna tell, I'll return him as a well respected young black man that you'll be proud to represent you.

[Pete]

Yeah. So my first thing is I'm not gonna lie to the parent because I told you this is a year commitment. Now I want, I want your kid to be here for four years, but this is a year commitment. And you got to know that like you, you committing to me, I'm committing to you. It's, it's a year commitment because look at it, every year these coaches are looking for somebody else looking to get better because they want to save their job. My thing is to be able to help young men be successful in life. So if I could do that in a year, if I could do it in four years, I'm gonna do that. But I'm not gonna lie. And I'm. Gonna take your kid and treat them like, like it's mine throughout these relationships with your kids. So with, at the University of New Orleans, you know, it's almost like a great. I'm not gonna hold him back. I'm gonna let him go to other universities and get whatever it is that he want, but not because right now I got guys. And so this is a business. I'm going to teach your son the business. I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be, be there with him through this process. I'm gonna make sure he get his grades. I'm gonna make sure he understand that. I'm gonna make sure we get the nutrition part. I'm gonna make sure that he's prepared for whatever level it is. And I'm let him know it's only 1% that makes it to the NBA. And so I'm not going to shoot because everybody saying I'm going to prepare you to get to the NBA and you guys know everybody's not going to get to the NBA. That's a 1% chance. And I'm and I'm going to be real with these parents in these kids and say, I'm not saying you can't get there, but you're going to have to come in here and put the work as I get behind you and give you the pieces to go and excel in life. And that's what I'm going to do. And other than that, it's going to be on you to come in here and do your part. And I'm going to let these parents know your son has to come here and be a man and grow up and. And do his part. Because I'm going to do my part. I'm already proven that I'm doing this beyond the money. Look at what I've done at the University of New Orleans. I didn't get a check. I'm there, I'm there with the kids. I'm there. I'm at the games. This is not like, oh, put my name on this. No, I'm committed to this and I'm committed to your child. That's. That's the most important thing.

[Shannon]

P. Am I hearing you correctly? Are you saying that you're okay if a kid comes to wherever you are and he balls out and he wants to get into the portal? You're going to be supportive of that? You're going to make sure that he's getting the best. He's going to go to the best situation, he's going to have the finances taken care of. If I'm hearing you correctly, you're going to be okay with that.

[Pete]

Have. I'm at a mid major. I'm definitely okay with that. I'm not a major university in college and found the players that I have. I had to go out there and sort the talent out. I'm not gonna hold a kid back if my program can't sustain him. That's what I'm talking about. Being truthful, yes. For the level that I'm at, I'm gonna do the best I could do. Then I'm gonna find the next player. But I'm building up players to go be great. And if it take that you going to another university, go be great because I'm at a mid major.

[Shannon]

Think about it.

[Pete]

So these kids, I came, they came because of me. They believe in me and ever. And I. And I told them that if, if you could take this to the next level before I get to where I'm going, I'm not gonna hold you back. I can't do that. I'll be feeling the kids that's why I say the universities, the media, where I'm at, feeling the kids. Because nobody's asking the kids what they really want. And it's time to ask the kids now, what do you want? What are your goals? So when a kid come to me, I'm asking him his goal. So if you got. You got three years left on your eligibility and you come to me as a freshman and you surpass a mid major, and I'm not holding you back. Now, I'm not holding a black brother back that he could go take care of his family. Because I come from a poor family. My whole why was to get my grandmother out the project and get our house so these kids know I could come here and take my parents and my family, my grandmother, the people that raised me, that invested in me all these years, if I could go buy them a house and get them a car or something, and I could still go to school and then I could up that somewhere else, man. Go do it. I'm not that type of coach, man, that I know that my university is a mid major. Like, it's a difference, Shannon. And I think that a lot of these coaches got to be real with they self. So I'm going to stop you from going to a bigger university. No, not me. And I don't care who don't like it. I don't care if my school don't like it. Because now I'm feeling the kids, the kids that come in here that invested their time, that I done went to junior college, I done found diamonds in the rooks. So think about it.

[Shannon]

We beat tcu, we beat Tulane.

[Pete]

TCU made it to Morris, man. It was one of the top teams, my program. We beat this team. And I just had all dogs. I had dudes that I went to junior college because I'm sorting out talent the same way I sorted out demore. All these other different players, I went in these gyms myself. And the players that people told me to go look at when I got to the gym, these were players that I never even thought about taking. I grabbed some of the players. I'm like, no, who is this kid right here? And the coaches was like, no, I thought you wanted. I said, no, I want to see that kid right there. And that's the way the roster we had. And so now I'm not gonna hold these kids back. No, I'm not gonna hold them back, Shannon. I don't care who don't like it, because I'll be feeling the kids then that'll Be selfish. Just be about me.

[Shannon]

Let's talk about Mercy. He came off the bench. I think I forget what game it was, Pete, that he came off the bench, had a quick 10, hit a couple threes, feeling good. I know you was probably going crazy that I don't know if you were at the game, you probably was somewhere in the tunnel, but you were probably doing backflips seeing your son and seeing. Because you always used to when he was in high school, you send me a clip, say, hey, check out, check out young fella. Check out your fella. And to see the maturation, to see where he's come from as a high school, even as a middle school player, and to see where he's gotten to as a high school player and not college, that has to do you proud. But here's the thing. No P, you know, old Pop get a job somewhere. Mercy, he, he, he tagged along with Pop.

[Pete]

So with me, right? Mercy has his own journey. So, okay, if, if, if whatever he want to do, I'm never stopping him. Like, he got to go on his journey. I'm going on my journey. Like, Mercy going to get in the lead soon, he gonna have to, you know, do what he gotta do. And so think about it, Shannon. Nobody gave us nothing. Mercy created his own name. And I should tell you that back in the day, it was getting up 5 o' clock in the morning, working. He, he was the. He won two state championships with Chet and Jalen Suds in, in, in. In Minnesota.

[Shannon]

Minnesota.

[Pete]

Yeah. Then he come back to California and win two at Notre Dame with him and Caleb. So he scored 60 points in the game. Everybody know he a score. Then he waited his turn. He didn't like, give up when he thought like, you know, oh, they put me on the bench last year. Sampson wasn't putting in freshman. So he know that. You know what Mercy, all that nobody that I've seen do, he killed in practice. Every time a coach say, every NBA scout tell me, you know what? Your son ain't playing, but he the best player in practice that I seen at Houston. And so that what made me proud then. He's a, a student. He made the, the Big 12 academic list. And so I'm like, you know what? My son is a killer on the court, but he's also a student. And he's on that killer in the classroom too. Yes. And so that's the thing about people look at me being a hip hop artist. They probably say, oh, well, his son ain't doing. He just came down for Basketball. No. Like, my thing is we breaking that generational curse. And yeah, we could be killers on the court, but we got to have brains. If your goal is to get to the NBA, you need to know what to do with what you build in your empire. This is not about me. Tell people all the time, Shannon, we all have 75 summers on this planet. That's what we guarantee. But none of us might not make it to that 75. Some of us might make it beyond that, but we guaranteed at least 75 summers. And so we got to stop worrying about what other people people think. And I love that's. What about mercy. He ain't showing no mercy. He don't care about what you think. He's just trying to get better. He going after the best place to think about it. In the Kansas game, he checking Peterson. He not going to say, I'm gonna go check the worst player. Every game you look at in Houston, Mercy is checking the best player on the floor. And. And he'll kill him like. And he's that. But that's how I raise. I raised them like that. They're not going to give you nothing, son. When you look at who you are, people think you're just a celebrity kid. They don't really. That's like, you don't pay to do so. My son be sitting back. He like, he. I say, I say, son, why you so ready to go? He said, man, because you know what? Whoever I play, they made me put this work in. So now I'm taking out on. And so when you look at the.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Pete]

Dunk against Iowa State, I mean, on foot of that, that made the, you know, top, top 10 plays.

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[Pete]

guys like, because they work hard, like. For Houston, Samson is putting out a chance to do, you know, so I mean, he committed to and then.

[Shannon]

Having no problem with the connection.

[Pete]

Years old. So the thing about he is. I mean, he's just into this pro. Yes. Can you hear me? Yeah.

[Joe]

Can you hear me?

[Shannon]

Yeah, we have.

[Pete]

We have a hear.

[Shannon]

We gonna have to take it. We have to come. Hey, when you get a job, this. When you get a job in the next month, come back and tell us about it.

[Pete]

I got you, my brother.

[Shannon]

Appreciate that, Pete. Tell the family hello. Stay. Stay well, man, and we'll talk to you down the road.

[Pete]

Yes. Alrighty, man.

[Joe]

Hey, man, I had a story I wanted to tell y' all about P, man.

[Shannon]

Okay, go ahead, Go ahead, Joe. What were you saying?

[Joe]

I had a story I wanted to tell y' all about Pete. Back in 2003, Uncle Ocho, this was my boy, Janeiro Pargo. He the assistant coach for the Indiana Pacers right now. But he was playing with the Lakers back then. And everybody know back then, this one, Paul Pierce and Baron Davis, they used to have these open runs at this community college in la. Man, listen, let me tell you something. Hey, I'm talking about any and everybody being there. I'm talking about like all pros, Pete. Master P is probably one of the only dudes who should come in there and hoop with us. I'm saying, I know he a pro, he made it to the league, but he used to come hoop with us like every day. I got me three cats. I went to college with Janelle Ro Pargo, Teddy Gibson, Brandon Dean. It's kind of hard for Dean and Teddy to get on the court at times because they weren't in the NBA. So once we did get on the same team, we pressed. We pressed and pick up Uncle Ocho, you know what I'm saying? We played hard. So look, there's one particular day, bro, we won three games in a row. Master P walked in. Soon as he walk in, he jumping on the team. He ain't waiting, he ain't Getting no damn.

[Pete]

He like shit.

[Shannon]

I'm on.

[Joe]

I'm on.

[Shannon]

We had. We.

[Joe]

We had one big man. We had to let him go. So we all out there.

[Shannon]

Look.

[Joe]

Me, Master P, Brandon D, Teddy Gibson, Janelle Parko. Man, we ain't win another damn game. Out there shooting that over. Hey, hey, it's going up. Hey, hey, I appreciate that P, man. I appreciate that, bro.

[Shannon]

Hey, peace. Hey, man, look here. Somebody scouts might be in it. Cbd. Threes up. Let me get these threes up right quick.

[Joe]

Hey, P was in there every day, bro. Every day. Every day. I was in that P. I seen you in there.

[Pete]

Yeah, but that's what people don't realize. That's what it's about. Y' all like, you got to put the work in and it don't matter. You. You ain't got to win all the time. It ain't about winning, but you putting that work in and you come and doing already. And so for me, man, it's just been a God thing. It's been a blessing that I'm able to go and chase my dreams and do what I got to do and to be able to do this at the highest level and to be able to take care of us, man. I know people don't understand it now, but, you know, when they see what I done done at this college level, what I've done to help the kids in the community, I know that, you know, when we not here, they'll talk about it, but right now, nobody's going to talk about it because doing positive stuff don't make good media. Think about it. If I was doing something negative,

[Shannon]

Be

[Pete]

world news, and then, you know, yeah, man. Y' all stay blessed.

[Shannon]

All right. Appreciate that.

[Joe]

All right.

[Pete]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon]

Duke Yukon, back to back years. This is the first time, I think, in. In Duke history, they won back to back. Had 35 win seasons. You look at the all Americans they got. You look at the guys, they probably got three guys that's going to be lottery picks. We know Booze is probably going to be a top three pick, Joe, and he's probably going to be college player of the year. But when you look at the talent that they've had, they've underachieved. I don't care which. I don't care. I don't care anything about this. And they're young and. And that's what we talked. We talked about this.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

UConn of the veteran ball club.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Michigan have veteran players.

[Joe]

Yeah. Illinois.

[Shannon]

It's not an accident because when the Rubber need to meet the road. You gotta have somebody to be calm, cool, and collected it.

[Joe]

Yeah, absolutely right, man. Absolutely.

[Shannon]

And you see, there's no way. And it seemed like when. When Yukon started to make some shots and started to make that run, it seemed like Duke got tired and tighter, man. Who's got tighter and tighter? He got tighter and tighter. And when old boy hit that and one and cut it to two.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

With like two minutes to go. Now we got a ball game. All right, now we're gonna see. We gonna see if those shots that you were making when you was up 10, 12, 14.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Let's see if they go in now. Let's see if you still have the same conviction to shoot them when you was up double figures. Now you're only up 2. Let's see if you'll pull a. Joe, let's see if you'll pull from 22 now. Let's see if you try to snatch it when you from 16 now.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey. You absolutely right when you look at it. Yukon playing with juniors at the point guard at the 1 and 2. And dude got a freshman out there who ain't. Who ain't never been in that environment.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Been in that situation. I don't want to say he ain't been in an environment because he's been playing with his twin brother. And we know they've been under microscope for quite some time. But the significance of this game, to have that turnover and it leads to. Come on, bro.

[Shannon]

Sometimes you just hold on to the ball, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, I know you got two dudes wide open, but let them fire you, man. You gotta shoot them free throws. That's the one thing you don't want to do is turn that ball over, all over.

[Shannon]

And the only way, really, you can

[Joe]

get beat, bro, you can't even. You can't even sleep at night behind something like this.

[Shannon]

Nah, it's tough.

[Joe]

Like, keep it 100. You can't. But Uncle Ocho, I was just telling y' all the other day about Evans. This is why I was skeptical. He can't have a hell of a game like he had the other day and then turn around and give us seven points, man. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Like, they need him. They needed him to at least give you 15, 16, bro. Like, booze gonna be booze. Like, you could tell. Hey, like, uncle say he gonna be a top three pick, but he gonna have to have somebody come along for the ride, you know, you. You got a guy out there plays 17 minutes, got a donut. He didn't even take a shot, you know what I'm saying? Huh?

[Shannon]

He had to just run. He got car. He got great Cardio. He got 17 minutes worth of cardio.

[Joe]

That ain't enough, man. Like, I, I know, I know. They played well. They played well enough to win. Shot. Shot 52% from the field, 40 from the three. And UConn didn't play great. They played great when it mattered, you

[Shannon]

know what I mean?

[Joe]

When they needed, when they needed it, they came through, bro. That, that, that, that veteran presence that they have over there, it prevailed at the end, man.

[Shannon]

And Mullins, bro, that joker shoot all them threes, he was coming off pics and was wide open. I like, bro. I say, I, I, I say, Hurley, if you call one more pin down and let this dude come out this pick and shoot a three and he air ball. I say, him, him and

[Joe]

Caravan. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

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God dang.

[Shannon]

Now you don't know how to shoot, Caravan. You've been knocking down three your whole damn career at UConn, and now you get in this game, you can't make one. Why don't you keep coming off a pick after pick after picking. And then from 35 foot, he pulled and bang, nothing but bottom of the net.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, shoot or shoot Joe. Ain't that what they say?

[Joe]

Yeah, shoot a shoot.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, shooters keep on shooting.

[Pete]

They.

[Joe]

Hey, look, they ain't really have but like two. They had one guy who played pretty good read and Smith.

[Pete]

Oh.

[Shannon]

Replayed out of damn mind.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But outside of that, Uncle Osho did nobody else. I mean, Smith off the bench 18 minutes, nine points, four for seven. But for the most part, man, this was a.

[Shannon]

It got.

[Joe]

It got to be an ugly game.

[Shannon]

But Duke, Duke kicking himself with all them damn turnovers. Yeah, you can't, you can't keep turn. You can't keep turning the ball over like that. And I. And I. I felt like. Okay. What concerned me was Duke on the glass, but it wasn't that big of a discrepancy.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

34 to 28. You know, normally Duke is a plus 10, plus 15. Yeah, yeah. On the glass because they, they. They kill you. Boozer normally has that. What's, what's the other big guy name?

[Joe]

Do?

[Shannon]

You know another big guy? He might have got hurt, but.

[Pete]

Nah.

[Shannon]

But this, I mean, it's crazy. It is. You're never gonna be able to look. And I hate it. I hate when it's happened to young kids. We see it happen to professionals. And we. You know, we talk about the Billy Buckner situation when he played with. Played the Mets and. Yeah, went through his leg at first base. Jackie Smith went to the hall of Fame, but he's known for dropping the touchdown that would have beat the Steelers for the Cowboys. Things like that linger for. Because they're gonna. They're gonna play this, Ocho. And I don't know why Booze just didn't hold on to make it come foul you.

[Joe]

Yeah, he had two guys ahead of him.

[Shannon]

That was wild. Yes.

[Joe]

So I know he was trying to get off the ball so they couldn't foul and they get something easy. But, bruh, that little tip that. That deflection that they got, that was the deflection of the season, bro.

[Shannon]

Yep. They were dead.

[Joe]

They was out of there. Oh, hey, hey, If.

[Shannon]

Hey, Joe, if he do this. You know what, Joe? I just. Sometimes. Sometimes instead of throwing it. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Instead of maybe he drop it. You know what? I'm just gonna slide down and let the clock keep moving because the clock is my friend.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

The clock is not my enemy.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Pete]

That's my friend in that situation.

[Shannon]

Going out of bounds is the enemy. Turning the ball over is the enemy.

[Uncle Ocho]

Enemy.

[Shannon]

Yeah, that's almost. Look. And I understand it. Chuckle, bro. It took a shot from God. Come on. Damn. It. Took. I mean. I mean, come on. It took. It.

[Joe]

It.

[Pete]

It.

[Shannon]

That's what it took, bro. Hit. I mean, bro had missed every three he taken. He took a. And then he banged that one.

[Uncle Ocho]

The one that mattered. 35.

[Joe]

That hurt nothing but net.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, Joe, he let that. Hey, his release was so goddamn quick when he let that thing go, too.

[Shannon]

He had no choice.

[Joe]

Oh, amen.

[Shannon]

Cause he deflected it and got it to the other guy. And hey, he. But you know what, Joe? What it is is that trailer. Remember the trailer in Villanova, North Carolina?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

The guy bringing it up to court, the guy that took it out of bounds was the guy that hit the shot.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon]

You see, brothers? Was the trailer.

[Joe]

He.

[Shannon]

The one that deflected it. He got it up to the court, they come to get him, they kick it back to him. They needed Mike Green on the call that have been a triple bang, bang, bang, bang. Or maybe have John Witherspoon rest his old. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

[Joe]

Hey, it's not that. It's not like I was sitting here rooting for Duke, but when he made that shot, that hurt me, bro.

[Shannon]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because of what. What happened, what transpired. Look, if he didn't turn the ball over.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

And the guy made the shot, I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. That's an awful lot for a young man to have to live with, Joe.

[Joe]

It is.

[Shannon]

It is.

[Joe]

It is. It is. They got all these State Farm commercials now. The Boozer twins.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey. Damn. Well, that's a bad way. Because, you know, they probably would have had more come out. Oh, what if they would have made it to the final four?

[Uncle Ocho]

Four.

[Shannon]

Oh, they don't probably. They don't. Probably shot a few commercials.

[Uncle Ocho]

I was just gonna say. They didn't already shot commercials already now.

[Joe]

Oh, man, look, look.

[Shannon]

The.

[Jake Mbaetta]

The.

[Joe]

My. My favorite ones is Samuel Jackson and Charles Barkley and Magic Johnson there.

[Shannon]

Oh, yeah. Capital one.

[Pete]

Yeah,

[Joe]

man, that hurt. Oh, that one hurt. That one. I'm hurt for.

[Shannon]

I. I ain't hurt for Duke. I ain't going to say been here. LI said, man, I feel. I do not feel bad for Luke. And I told y', all, hey, Abd anybody but Duke, right? I don't give that who win. They not winning. And my homeboy won't even call me. I've been calling Bird Joe. I've been calling him all day. I called him and, oh, yo told him I'm in jail. I say, this is my one call. Homeboy. Please pick up. Please.

[Uncle Ocho]

He answer you yet?

[Shannon]

Answer. I called back. I said, man, I got this burner phone. This dude had his burner phone in jail.

[Narrator (The Beast Trailer)]

I tried it.

[Shannon]

Cause when North Carolina lost. Yeah, man, that joker blew my phone up.

[Joe]

So I'm like, man, hello.

[Shannon]

I pretend like I'm sleep. So anytime our team lose, we always pretend like we sleep. I'm like, hello, you ain't sleep. I said, come on.

[Pete]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon]

What's going on?

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, what that bracket look like now?

[Shannon]

Oh, my bracket tore up.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, Joe, what yours look like, man?

[Joe]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Uncle Ocho]

I know. I know who bracket. I know who bracket's still intact, though.

[Joe]

I ain't gonna lie to y'.

[Pete]

All.

[Shannon]

You just got Arizona to win.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, you got Arizona.

[Shannon]

You won because you got Arizona going to the Final Four.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, Ojo.

[Shannon]

Hey, hey.

[Joe]

I'm happy for you, Ocho. I. What you doing?

[Shannon]

Putting. All he did was pick animals. Hey, listen, all he did was pick animals.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, King Ocho, respect me. Respect me, huh?

[Joe]

Hey, look, I can't believe my homeboy

[Shannon]

did me like that, man. He came back, I was in jail, had to Get a burner phone. He still won't answer for it. I sent him a text, asked it. Is everything okay?

[Joe]

He still ain't hit you back? Hey.

[Shannon]

Hit me back yet.

[Joe]

He gonna take it. Gonna take him about two, three days before he get back at you.

[Shannon]

Oh, he ain't calling me. He ain't calling me no time soon. He might not have called you. That's all right. I'm gonna call.

[Joe]

Hey, but I'm gonna tell y' all something.

[Shannon]

Michelle, can you have birds call me?

[Joe]

Hey, these teams left in the final, going to the final four, Boy, hey, if you ain't got, you know, seven footer down there, you're gonna be in some trouble.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, it's gonna be a long day.

[Shannon]

You know what I hate? I mean, I hate Michigan. I hate Michigan and Arizona playing. I will. I need them to cross.

[Joe]

You want that be championship? You want that to be a championship?

[Shannon]

Yeah. Cause both of them. Hey, both of them got some guy, a man. Michigan, as a matter of fact. Let's go and talk about this Michigan game.

[Joe]

Hey, ain't nothing to talk about.

[Uncle Ocho]

What game? What game? That wasn't no game.

[Shannon]

Hey, the Dominican, LeBron Jackson. Lindenberg. Hey, hey, man, he was doing it all. Rebound assistant. They rolled, making the most size and athleticism on both sides of the front court. Michigan advanced to the final four for the first time since 2018 and the ninth time overall. Next is a showdown with fellow number one seed Arizona in the sun and Saturday's national semifinals. Man, look, this wasn't even close.

[Joe]

I.

[Shannon]

And I was like, look, bro. Hey, Texas, y' all need to get back, and y' all need to make some shots because they weren't getting back Joe. And they were laying the ball up, dunking on the other end. I said, this thing about to get bubble Sparks. It's about to get ugly.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, hey, go ahead, Ojo.

[Pete]

Now we're gonna.

[Uncle Ocho]

I was, man, that Bubba Sparks reference, boy, that caught me off. That caught me off guard. But what you know about Bubba Sparks? What?

[Shannon]

Yeah, but you know Bubba from what Bubba from Was he.

[Joe]

Wasn't he.

[Shannon]

He from Georgia? No, he from Georgia.

[Joe]

Oh, is it?

[Shannon]

He might be from Tifton.

[Uncle Ocho]

Goddamn, Bubba sparse. What? Oh, you brought back memories with that one.

[Shannon]

Yeah, well, that's what they got for Tennessee. Cause they got ugly in a hurry.

[Joe]

Yeah, they. Hey, hey, Michigan got some size. They got. They got some experience. Because Lindenberg, What's. That's his name?

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, he a senior. Hey, he looked like a young Joe Johnson out there.

[Shannon]

The Way he.

[Joe]

He lifted Lou and up through that thing like that.

[Shannon]

Yeah, you seen it?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, Joe, you can. You can move like that still, man?

[Joe]

Come on, man, stop playing with me, ojo.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm not playing with you. I'm just saying you're a little older. I'm just asking if you can still move like that.

[Joe]

Yeah, see, because of the hot yoga that I do, it keeps me nimble, you know, where I'm light on my feet.

[Shannon]

Right, right.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, Joe, I didn't see you do it. Now, I ain't saying I didn't see you do it. I just didn't know you could still do it at this point.

[Joe]

I'm gonna show you. I'm gonna show you better. I can tell you. Don't worry about that. Hey, look, check this out. Check this out. Check this out, though, man. Michigan got them big boys down low, Uncle Ocho, you know what I'm saying? They. That big boy Mara down there, they got. They ain't got no stiffs. They got a bunch of guys. Yeah, they got a bunch of guys.

[Shannon]

Transfer Joe, you know, he's from ucla.

[Joe]

Is he. He gonna be. I think he gonna be a first round pick.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah, they got. Hey, boy, Michigan got a chance. It's gonna be a good game against Michigan and Arizona, though.

[Shannon]

It's gonna be a great game. A battle to be. Both of them got size. Yeah, both of them got size galore. Both of them got guys that they get out and run to, run and transition. Yeah, both guys got guys that can make shots.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be a good one. I agree with you. I. I would have. I wouldn't mind seeing this as a championship title game, but.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, man, Tennessee.

[Shannon]

That Yukon. That Yukon, Alana. Gonna be a good game.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know, Yukon gonna take that one. No disrespect to the line.

[Pete]

You think so?

[Uncle Ocho]

They got some jokers down in that paint down in the block, but you know you can't. Come on now.

[Joe]

Hey, Ocho, we got the better.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, I got one for you, Joe. Who got the better guard? Play out of Illinois. And.

[Joe]

And Yukon, Illinois. Who got the better bigs? Illinois got good bigs. They ain't got no. They ain't got no stiff down there. They got. They got 7 foot 1, 7 foot 2 down there who can do something. They got. They. And they play great defense. Oh, they ain't just an offensive juggernaut like they. They sit in the chair, they play defense. I ain't gonna be surprised if I look up and see Illinois in the title game.

[Pete]

Okay, all right, all right.

[Joe]

You want to put a little wage on it?

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh.

[Danielle Fishel]

Huh?

[Joe]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Uncle Ocho]

I thought we were gonna save our money for when we bet. When we play. We play Oak and Jordan, man.

[Joe]

You said. How about Oak and Jordan? I'm talking about me and you, partner. We ain't. Don't worry about Oak and Jordan. I'm talking about me and you. What we gonna do?

[Uncle Ocho]

How much you want to put on there, Joe?

[Joe]

It ain't gotta be nothing, you know, just a little something, you know, make

[Uncle Ocho]

it light on yourself.

[Joe]

We gotta make a little friendly wage or something. Ain't gotta be but like 100 or 2. I ain't trying to get you for no. For no grands or nothing.

[Uncle Ocho]

100 or 2.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Hey, if.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, Joe, we gonna bet, man. You mean put your money up, man? What you talking about, man?

[Joe]

Oh, now you big bang Hank.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, Joe, that's. Hey, that's what they called me.

[Joe]

Okay, all right, all right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay. 500. 500.

[Joe]

500. Friendly wages. That's like Illinois versus Connecticut.

[Uncle Ocho]

I got. I got Yukon, though.

[Joe]

Bet. Bet. I got Illinois. You want to get in there, though?

[Shannon]

No, I want none of it.

[Joe]

My bracket. My bracket destroyed the mere fact this

[Shannon]

man picked animal wild animals in bed and beat both of us.

[Pete]

Hey, hey, listen.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, I listen. Hey, I can't help it if I know basketball better than y'.

[Shannon]

All.

[Joe]

Oh, man, ain't nothing I can do about it.

[Shannon]

No basket or ball, you know, Peach basket, football. All that joker did look like who got. Who got an animal as a mascot? Okay, I got Yukon, right?

[Joe]

Hey, that's why you're going with the husky, Bill.

[Shannon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Come on, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, I. I don't. I don't like the fact that y' all let y' all insulting my back. My basketball knowledge and prowess. Huh? I knew what I was doing. That's why I won. Hey, O joke.

[Joe]

Hey, I'm happy for you, Ocho.

[Uncle Ocho]

I appreciate that, Joe. Thank you.

[Joe]

I ain't gonna lie. If I didn't win, I'd rather you win versus Uncle Win. Cause he gon right he'll have him putting on the show when we get on if we got.

[Shannon]

Yeah, you're right.

[Uncle Ocho]

You're right. Hey, they ain't make me no kind of graphics or nothing, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. You don't need them, though. You don't need them.

[Pete]

See?

[Shannon]

See, I said don't joke. You see, I just stab you in the back. Just that quick hit your would have had Graphic, but just told you, you don't need no graphic.

[Joe]

Right?

[Uncle Ocho]

Right. Hey, hey, Joe, matter of fact, do me a small favor, yo. Hey, send me that. Send me that crown you got over there. You don't need it no more.

[Joe]

Who.

[Shannon]

Who.

[Uncle Ocho]

If you who here?

[Joe]

Once you king, you always king. That's the anointed that comes.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, if I'm not. If I'm not mistaken, didn't the Roman Empire fall?

[Shannon]

Huh?

[Uncle Ocho]

What you talking about? Once you.

[Joe]

Just because you won and picking the team where you ain't done nothing physically to deserve the crown.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, I didn't beat you physically. I beat you mentally. Joe, send me the crown.

[Joe]

You know, when you take somebody, belt or crown, you got to really, really.

[Shannon]

You got to really beat them.

[Pete]

I really beat you, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

What are you talking about? Your bracket is destroyed. I beat you fair and square. So you're a sore loser now.

[Joe]

You ain't won yet, Ojo, don't.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know what? Don't worry about it. I go get my own crown. I go to Party City. Don't worry about it.

[Joe]

It's old. Party City ain't around no more, partner.

[Shannon]

They closed, they gone. Getting the crowd out of there.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay, Party Source. I know one of them party stores. Let me get me my own crown.

[Shannon]

Go to Burger King.

[Pete]

Nah. Right?

[Joe]

Come on.

[Uncle Ocho]

That disrespectful.

[Joe]

Get you a little paper crown.

[Shannon]

That what you need?

[Uncle Ocho]

That disrespectful.

[Pete]

Look at that.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm going to give me a crown from the Halloween store.

[Joe]

You have to wait till October.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Joe, let me know what you think. Paul Pierce believes Steph Curry, LeBron James, Kevin Durant are no longer good enough to lead team to glory and now need someone better than them on their team to win a championship. Paul said, at this age, KD doesn't influence winning like he used to before in KC and Golden State. He can't be the best player on your championship team right now. I say that about him. I said that about LeBron. I also say that about Steph right now. They can't be the best players on championship teams at this stage of their career. They need to play along somebody that's better than them. That's why the Lakers look better. Because they have a player that's better than LeBron on there, and that's hard to do, no matter what his stats say. It's just like LeBron. They need players that are better than them that can influence winning. Because I think they're at the stage of their career. It's just hard for Them to do all the things necessary to help them win outside of scoring.

[Joe]

Yeah, I think it's some truth to that, fellas. I think they definitely. Because, you know, you put so much on Brian, you put so much on KD and Steph to lead these teams. And right now, as you get up in age, y' all know this, man. You get up in them late 30s, bro.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, things just kind of started to happen out of nowhere. But you just can't have that physical and mental wear and tear on you that you had in your 20s and 30s. You know, they, they. They all Bruin 41. And I know Katie and Steph is on the brink of 40. Yeah, I agree. I think they need some. That's why I even. I even thought. I even figured if they. If they even teamed up, they. They could help each other. But.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

Yeah, I think. I think they do need to be playing with. Playing with some cats who can really help them out or complement their game. Let's say that I could. Because I think if you get them close enough to the Western Conference finals or to the finals, I think those guys could potentially win the MVP or like a finals. I think they could potentially do that.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Because that's a small. That's seven games.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

So if it goes seven games. But I, I think. I think P is talking about. He's talking about over the course of a season. Yes. Because think about it at that age. We've never asked someone at their ages to be the best player on a team and lead them to a championship.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

Right. You're right.

[Shannon]

So now we're asked. We're asking them to do something that. I don't know if we. How was Jordan when he won his last championship? So Jordan might have been like 36, 36, 37. Maybe not. Because he retired three years and he came back the last two years. He was 40. So he might have been 35 at the. He was 30. Okay. He was 35.

[Pete]

Okay.

[Shannon]

Steph Curry is like 36.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Or 37. KD. The same. LeBron's 41. So we've never asked someone at their ages to be the best player. And it just goes to show you just how great they are that we just have that level of regard for them and that them at that age, that we still have a level of expectation. And I sometimes. I do think it's unrealistic. And he's right. Those numbers that they normally get up. Normally, Normally, Katie score 30. That's damn near automatic win. The 30 doesn't doesn't have the same input.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.

[Uncle Ocho]

I think. I think a lot of people, when Paul Pierce says something like this, I think they would agree. It just. It's the right message with the wrong messenger. It's the right message with the wrong message. So a lot of people are going to have pushback because it's Paul Pierce actually saying it, even though there is some truth to it. And obviously, again, like the piggyback off what you said, it is a testament to how great they are, the fact that they're still doing it at this level at their age.

[Shannon]

And, man, and we have an expectation.

[Joe]

Yeah, we never had.

[Shannon]

I mean, if you go back and study history, we never had an expectation of God at these age. These ages have. Okay, y' all gonna lead a team. That ain't. No. We never had that.

[Joe]

And.

[Shannon]

But that just goes to show you just how great they were. But. And as. As also it happens. Do you don't have the same influence. Look at Brady's numbers. It's like he was throwing numbers, but they didn't impact the game.

[Joe]

Right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, I got a question, too.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

Is. Is. Excuse me for my lack of knowledge, if LeBron wanted to. Is LeBron. I mean, is Luca really better than LeBron or is the fact that Lucas allowed the green light to take as many shots as he does.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

At this stage, he's better than LeBron. LeBron to sustain it. I mean, LeBron. LeBron is only playing like 34, 35 minutes. He's only taking about 16 shots a game.

[Uncle Ocho]

You heard what you just said. He's only taking.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

If he was. If he was to have the same output he did when he was with the Miami Heat or when he was at the Cavaliers, if you could still

[Shannon]

just can't sustain that. He can't play third. He can't play 38, 39 minutes anymore.

[Joe]

Can't and not give you that productivity to where he giving you 30 and 10 and 8. Nah, I think that's challenging. I think he'll definitely have games like that. You know, they'll come, you know, every so often, but for the most part,

[Uncle Ocho]

he can't do it consistently night in

[Shannon]

and night out, man.

[Joe]

What we talking. What we talk about the other night, man, It's a young man's game, bro. Yes.

[Shannon]

Think about it, Ocho. You asking a man 41 years of age to go out there and give you that number, to exert that kind of energy on a nightly basis. Luca, 26, probably 26, 27. Look at look at Ant Man. Look at these guys. Look at Wimby. Look at jt. Look at. Look at these guys. These. All these guys in the early to late 20s. That's 41.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know, it's funny when you say that, too. And when I look at Luca, I look at it. I look at his style of play. He doesn't play it above. Above the rim. You know the movements. To me, Joe, maybe I'm tripping.

[Joe]

They look slow.

[Uncle Ocho]

Maybe I'm tripping. It looks slow as hell, but every goddamn thing always work. Everything always work. I don't understand what it is. I don't know what kind of goddamn training he do, but it looks easy to stop from the naked eye, watching from home. Yeah, but nobody could goddamn stop it.

[Joe]

Hey, Ojo, that's called being deceptive, you know? Meaning it may look like I'm not moving fast, and it may look like you can stay in front of me, but the way I take angles and cut you off, you know what I'm saying? When you guard me having a quick first step, using my pump fake, using my pivot foots, bro, it's. You can't. You can not. Ain't no one player guarding that. What you have to do is hope that he have an off night, but he's gonna take enough shots to where he gonna get 25 or 30.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know what I mean?

[Shannon]

Cause he got to be shooting. He got to be put. If Luca taking the most shots, because Luca got to be taking 20 plus shots. 22, 23 shots a night.

[Uncle Ocho]

I mean, in order to be leading the league like that. Hell, yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, that's his. His offense is his defense, bro. And that's why when he play against certain cats, whether it's Boston or whoever or Minnesota, he wants to try to get the guy who's guarding him. He want to get him in foul trouble. He. He want to get in the bonus. He want to get to the free throw line. He want to get himself going. And being deceptive like that, Ocho, you ain't got to be the fastest, the quickest, the most explosive. You just have to have a high IQ and an understanding on how to manipulate the game in your favor. And he does that every night, bro. Every night. Every night.

[Shannon]

He's taking 23. He's taking 23 shots a night.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, him and Young Bull from. Young Bull from Denver, who'll be moving in slow motion, too.

[Shannon]

Yokich, Slow motion. Hey, I don't think Yogi Jokers might be taking, like, 19 shots. How many shots Yoki's taking. Yogurt is taking 17.4 shots a night.

[Uncle Ocho]

Efficient as hell.

[Joe]

Hey, listen, Luke Lucas, how many you say Luca taking?

[Shannon]

23.

[Joe]

Yeah, see, he's shooting 16 of them in the first quarter for sure. He's shooting 15, 16 shots in the first quarter, bro. In the first quarter. He getting his off. He ain't playing.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, hell no. Hold on. I got. I got his bathroom.

[Joe]

Go ahead.

[Shannon]

Yeah, but look. And that's it.

[Joe]

It's a.

[Shannon]

It's a young man's game. And like you said, in the role that they got LeBron in, I think. I think they can, you know, get out the first round. It all depends on who they get in the second round. And can. And.

[Pete]

And.

[Shannon]

But, yeah, he doesn't. He doesn't need to be that guy.

[Joe]

Nah, he don't need to be that guy. And I. I think the. The beautiful part about it is he knows that. That's why he comes out and he plays that role. He plays the role that he knows the Lakers need, that he know they don't need him coming out shooting 22, 25 shots a night. He know they don't need that. He need to be more of a glue guy. And then there are going to be opportune times that's going to come and. Or that's going to present themselves, and he know he gonna have to step up, and him having big games, it makes them a more dangerous team. So I don't mind seeing, you know, the stats that I've been seeing for Braun, because I know when it's time to turn it up another notch. He got another notch or two. He can go. He.

[Shannon]

I don't think LeBron has a problem being the third option as long as Austin Reaves is doing what he's doing.

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Shannon]

Giving you those 24, giving you those 24, 26, 28. Luke is going to give you in the mid-30s. So LeBron pulling up. Pulling up the third slot with 20, 21, 22. Okay, fine. It's With. They might get into trouble if that. All of a sudden, Austin Reeves have an off night.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon]

Cause Luca gonna shoot enough. He gonna get to the fire line that he's gonna, you know, he's gonna get 12, 13 free throws.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, but, man, listen, AR has been consistent over this season. I'm happy for him. I want him to get paid. I want him to get his money. I want him to continue to keep playing well. Because if he. Like you, like you say, if AR Is playing at this rate. Brian can kind of be free safety, you know what I mean? He can kind of roam. He can be the playmaker, he can score when need be. You know, he can be that demon in transition every now and then. I enjoy watching the Lakers, man, they showed me a lot. I hope they've grown from, you know, the last postseason getting swept. So I'm sure that that's left a sour taste in their mind. And when they get back in the postseason, I'm sure they gonna be looking to, you know, make some noise and try to advance as far as possible.

[Shannon]

5 1, didn't they last year? 41 last year, didn't he?

[Joe]

He lost 4 1.

[Shannon]

I think they lost 4 1. I think they won game too. I think they won game too, But I still don't think LeBron retired to

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Honestly, Honestly, Honestly, no one wants to think about hiv. But there are things that everyone can do to help prevent it. Things like prep. PREP stands for pre Exposure prophylaxis, and it means routinely taking prescription medicine before you're exposed to HIV to help reduce your chances of getting it. Prep can be about 99% effective when taken as prescribed. It doesn't protect against other STIs, though, so be sure to use condoms and other healthy sex practices. Ask a healthcare provider about all your prevention Options and visit findoutaboutprep.com to learn more. Sponsored by Gilead.